They could, but the tech explained here seems to be working very well and I believe, achieving effect I would deem, as a random engineer, as effective.
I’ve watched this so many times and I still don’t understand how high and low speed is mechanically separated! I’m going to school for engineering and I’m still baffled
Check out the Wikipedia page for "Check Valve" It's very simple if you can break it down in your head. The fluid opens the valve when it pushes one way (usually against a spring), but when it pushes the other direction, it _closes_ the valve. At 1:07 you'll see that if fluid was to push upward (from the bottom) on those check valves (the flat things that are highlighted with the circles), they would push against the body and create a seal, whereas if they are pushed from the top downward, they would open more.
the damping circuits are not separated, high speed damping is an added circuit. if the speed/force is too low, only the lowspeed circuit is open. if there is enough force/speed to push the spring back, the oil can now flow through the low speed valve AND the high speed valve. the high speed knob adjusts how much force/speed is needed for the circuit to open (preload on the spring.
i guess cane creek double barrel ist still better, the db was the first mtb shock with this technology;) fox x2 and rockshox vivid just copied this floating oil system..
@@Absmnd647 Wrong. The guy that designed CCDB was also helping designing the DHX2 and Float X2. Float X2 and DHX2 is better designed, more durable and stiffer than the CCDB.
@@bakkenuftor "more complex" doesn't necessarily mean "better". There are a lot of shocks that some say are better and less complicated (DVO Topaz air/SR Suntour Triair which are basically the same shock), and there are a lot of shocks that are better and more complicated (EXT's Stora for example)
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Hving a full brace u put your leg into instead of just on a peddle, might b good start. Problem is u hve to b able to put foot down or drag it. So the leg/ bike brace would hve to attach to u & then u step onto peddle, w/brace. This will give u suspension pnts on both legs & protect the lower legs.
Safety factor is disconnect the hands from grips/steering & not flipping over. Which style is safer grip parallel or perpendicular to frame(pedaling or more important Ebike not)
Or try all 3 grips in 1 peddle or 45 deg or perpendicular in 1 important to keep control of steering. 3 grips left & 3 grips right side. Speediest crouched 10speed style least control.
Where is a good place to send a fox rear shock for repair. Bought a dh bike that came with a thought to be blown rear shock... turns out the bone head was turning the damper shaft to adjust preload and the nut that hokds the piston onto the damper shaft unthreaded n came off. No damage just the shim stack went all mixed up.
Idk how to explain it more, it's self explainatory. Well slow rebound is when it takes longer for the shock to reset, fast rebound is when it resets quickly.
Can someone verify that with faster Rebound (less rebound damping) you increase the mid stroke suppot and bottom out resistance? I have cross check this countless times but i ve never seen anyone mention it.
Not sure if you are still looking for the answer but rebound will not do much for support. What you need is compression adjustment. Rebound only (in theory) works as the damper is extending. It’s the adjustment that prevents the bike from bucking you off. Compression damping is the resistance to the damper being squished as it’s moving. Keep in mind that “mid support” can also be caused by suspension kinematic design and the ramp rate of the spring + any friction effects going on.
Recall what? They recalled the air can on the x2 and repaired all of them in field for free soo what is your issue? Things get recalled, no company is perfect, welcome to consumerism in the real world.
Welcome to shitty fox products and service! If your suspension doesn't work as intended, well fuck you! Give us 400€ and we'll fix it (maybe). Fox stuff is just not worth it for me. Just get Rockshox or Suntour if you're more on the budget side
is there a reason m not using my full travel,I'm running a 200x50 shock,but was wondering if this is the same shock as the 200x57 but with a washer or something in it meaning i don't use the last wee bit of travel but I'm actually getting full travel,
some engineer spent countless hours designing this so don't be too hard on yourself if you don't understand it watching a two and a half minute video...this is for the most part sales propergander but if you watch it enough times you should be able to get a reasonable idea as to what is going on
Last is seating again w/biking BMX or motor cross bal & standing or partial seating is v/diff from just riding a bike. The old style banana seats r safest, bc u hve largest area to land back down on. U can jump w/2 riders & still land it. Hving a modern hinged in middle banana seat gives u 2 seats in 1 & positions to rest on or against or actual sit back down on. Bc it is hinged if u know going to take a hit u want to b rear most shocks absorption 2 on back & most travel. So many dynamics w/speed & jumps BMX & NOW Ebikes r more motor cross then req biking. It needs the connection pnts disconnected from bike.
Normal BMX 4 hve frame flex shock & front fork shocks but need leg bracing shocks right at peddles & seat shocks w center hinge & u need a seam steering shock system as well. Skimp on any of these connection pnts & not wearing BMX type safety gear & it is not going to end well. Ebike who knew. Best I can do just taking a swing at it.
That technology has been around since the 40's It's nothing special. Just better packaging and anodized nobs. Get with it Fox and give us something special.
Nice video sig sey into good enseñ of thes suspension of FOX float x2 is ryalment interesants yuor techniques. Cya from the Santig of Chile 🇨🇱 nice day 👍♥️🚵🍀🇺🇲♥️
for the masses I don't thick it is safe to bmx bike/ ebike. Jids sure or teens but not masses. Need a new design that disconnect rider from basic bike design contact pnts, but as yet I got nothing. In motor cross u hve padding & helmets & chest guards & more frame but on bikes it is not safe margin. God/JBM my option for what it is worth. U never forget how to but doesn't mean your still able to & that is a req bike not BMX or NOW Ebike.
I'm not sure what you're trying to claim, I suppose just name dropping Ohlin's and mentioning "technology" to seem like you have even a basic understanding of what's going on here. Ohlin's doesn't have a monopoly on damper architecture. You can't patent damper architecture, only a VERY specific way in which you were to implement said "technology", as you call it. The same design principles have and are being used in countless other products by countless other manufacturers.
looks little too complicated to work stable for longer than 1-2 race, so it's advanced expensive peace of shit :)) In most cases advanced complications are almost only for marketing purpose only (to rise up prices). So because of that I'm using rock shox, i't just working ok and for a long without huge maintenance.
You have no idea what your talking about. This is just as reliable as previous fox or other standard type shocks but this system provides more consistent damping while in use. Check out Ohlins TTX, same thing. It also requires less time to revalve due to the shim stacks being so easily accessible.
profession offroad racing shocks packaged in bike shocks..... it is very well designed! Thumbs up to FOX
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I have high Respect for those engineers
Yes for sure... It will be better if the shock was working... Bad design causing body failure, cavitation etc... No fox damper anymore😂😂😂
This kind of stuff is why i am obsessed with suspension
They could literally just be flat-out lying to us and we would have no idea
@Rayan Crew Nice try bro
Can confirm that they may lie to you. I worked as a temp for these guys, and they have no problems with lying.
Well they can be disassembled plus their performance proves. Fox never lies.
Welcome to the sad water jet channel and today we will sadly be cutting a fox rear shock in half
They could, but the tech explained here seems to be working very well and I believe, achieving effect I would deem, as a random engineer, as effective.
I’ve watched this so many times and I still don’t understand how high and low speed is mechanically separated! I’m going to school for engineering and I’m still baffled
Check out the Wikipedia page for "Check Valve"
It's very simple if you can break it down in your head. The fluid opens the valve when it pushes one way (usually against a spring), but when it pushes the other direction, it _closes_ the valve.
At 1:07 you'll see that if fluid was to push upward (from the bottom) on those check valves (the flat things that are highlighted with the circles), they would push against the body and create a seal, whereas if they are pushed from the top downward, they would open more.
low speed = small hole
high speed= oil pressure opens a bigger hole which is "spring loaded"
the damping circuits are not separated, high speed damping is an added circuit. if the speed/force is too low, only the lowspeed circuit is open. if there is enough force/speed to push the spring back, the oil can now flow through the low speed valve AND the high speed valve. the high speed knob adjusts how much force/speed is needed for the circuit to open (preload on the spring.
@@revviloisnt that the one way valve? Hes asking a different question
K I just zoned out completely gotta relisten to this again.
Trust me, I'm an engineer
😛👍😎 serious!, I was wondering if there was a suspension that dampened recoil, and here's a tunable hydraulic one that also actively adjusts!
@@ShadowRifft Rebound damping? lol
Well I trust him and I almost ended up dead :)
Firstly, you are romanian,secondly why should I trust you? About what?
Best explanation ever!
Wow.. That was a really good visualization and explanation... :O
Now if it only came with instructions on how to tune it.
me: *copies pro riders settings
@@trailfork7815 but it only works if youre a pro rider too :(
What?
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can the shims on the main piston be tuned or does it not make a difference if you are a lighter/heavier rider?
I’m a mechanical engineer as well for float X2 rear shock best shock on the planet
i guess cane creek double barrel ist still better, the db was the first mtb shock with this technology;) fox x2 and rockshox vivid just copied this floating oil system..
@@Absmnd647 Wrong. The guy that designed CCDB was also helping designing the DHX2 and Float X2. Float X2 and DHX2 is better designed, more durable and stiffer than the CCDB.
@@bakkenuftor "more complex" doesn't necessarily mean "better". There are a lot of shocks that some say are better and less complicated (DVO Topaz air/SR Suntour Triair which are basically the same shock), and there are a lot of shocks that are better and more complicated (EXT's Stora for example)
My brain is a pizza right now
That would be cool if they made a bypass zone shock , like they make for off road vehicles. Or even an external mini hydro bump stop.
Technology at its peak
The zoom animation is difficult to understand because the oil inlet hole is missing under the compression part, as is the case under the detente part.
Its so nice i swear i bought a FR AMR 6.7 AL U and this suspension is in there is so sweet
!!!
You guys should make trasnparent shocks so you can see what happens inside
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Shocking video.
just wondering what are the difference of fox dhx2 rvs elite to fox dhx2 rvs
Nice vidéo thanks...
Does this technology apply to the shock absorbers of the Ford raptor?
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Now the prices make sense.
is this the recalled one?
Hving a full brace u put your leg into instead of just on a peddle, might b good start. Problem is u hve to b able to put foot down or drag it. So the leg/ bike brace would hve to attach to u & then u step onto peddle, w/brace. This will give u suspension pnts on both legs & protect the lower legs.
So how much travel would a shock like this have
What does the big oil piston chamber at the right do?
Add to the cost?
I love those shock and i love the price hahaha
Its not so easy to understand just because you've said it out loud with a graphic presentation... there are so many questions to ask -_________-
Great video,l nicely shown.
in other words its the best shock out there
actually shock with most problems…
Next is handle bars & grip: Fast peddling means rocking back & forth side to side, but w/Ebike or motor bike that is not a factor.
Safety factor is disconnect the hands from grips/steering & not flipping over. Which style is safer grip parallel or perpendicular to frame(pedaling or more important Ebike not)
Mayb 45 deg so u can still peddle but fine if don't but still good control of steering.
Or try all 3 grips in 1 peddle or 45 deg or perpendicular in 1 important to keep control of steering. 3 grips left & 3 grips right side. Speediest crouched 10speed style least control.
Where is a good place to send a fox rear shock for repair. Bought a dh bike that came with a thought to be blown rear shock... turns out the bone head was turning the damper shaft to adjust preload and the nut that hokds the piston onto the damper shaft unthreaded n came off. No damage just the shim stack went all mixed up.
Send it to fox or go to your local bikeshop for a rebuild.
I have a 2018 Float X2 on a Santa Cruz Bronson. I weigh 160-165 pounds with all gear. What settings do you recommend to start with?
20% sag depends on your riding
28-33% sag. 20 for the fork. 20 for the rear is way too little.
What the hell does slow and fast rebound mean?!
It's how fast the shock goes back to the original position after being compressed
Matess 36 ik that but what’s slow and fast rebound
Idk how to explain it more, it's self explainatory. Well slow rebound is when it takes longer for the shock to reset, fast rebound is when it resets quickly.
Matess 36 no I mean slow speed rebound tuning and fast speed rebound tuning, like on the fox x2 with different tuning types
I'm new to tuning shocks, I thought you only needed to explain rebound, I can't help with anything more.
Best shock!
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yo that's crazy
Can someone verify that with faster Rebound (less rebound damping) you increase the mid stroke suppot and bottom out resistance?
I have cross check this countless times but i ve never seen anyone mention it.
Not sure if you are still looking for the answer but rebound will not do much for support. What you need is compression adjustment. Rebound only (in theory) works as the damper is extending. It’s the adjustment that prevents the bike from bucking you off.
Compression damping is the resistance to the damper being squished as it’s moving.
Keep in mind that “mid support” can also be caused by suspension kinematic design and the ramp rate of the spring + any friction effects going on.
This is cool but I don’t get it. I have dpx2 is this similar
The X2 is probably the least reliable shock compared to all others combined. They are good at marketing, not products
Recall?
Total
Recall what? They recalled the air can on the x2 and repaired all of them in field for free soo what is your issue? Things get recalled, no company is perfect, welcome to consumerism in the real world.
If I upgraded my enduro with the DHX2 would I lose my climbing capability?
Kyl Shreds not all climbing capability, you would lose most of the power given in a pedal stroke, however it is more progressive for downhills
Cooper Seligay not if you have a climb switch 👍🏼 I have one on my trail bike and it’s stellar!
yes, the x2 is more focused towards downhill/harder enduro ..for a really stiff pedaling platform the dps series is great (staying at fox)
Soundtrack?
"Epic Design" by the Background Engineers... 😛 (jk)
How did the first cyclist not fall off his bike like that. Holy sheezzz. skillz
Ok *now* I understand why they're so expensive. There's 3 bikes worth of engineering in the shock alone.
this is very technical
So 3 & 3 grip but it needs to disconnection rider from bike by huge stem shock system.
And here I am with my Duncon and swinger 6 way coil
I have oil in secondary nitrogen chamber= $300 service fix??? Is this not a mfgr defect?
Welcome to shitty fox products and service! If your suspension doesn't work as intended, well fuck you! Give us 400€ and we'll fix it (maybe).
Fox stuff is just not worth it for me. Just get Rockshox or Suntour if you're more on the budget side
Well Engineered
Quisiera una suspensión Fox😢
i dOn'T UndErsTAnD m8
Now i know why those freakin shox is so freakin exorbitant
It's 5 years ago product but nowadays price is more expensive.
That the mount for MTB JUMPING my mountain bike don’t have súpension because if I jump it will break the axle hub
is there a reason m not using my full travel,I'm running a 200x50 shock,but was wondering if this is the same shock as the 200x57 but with a washer or something in it meaning i don't use the last wee bit of travel but I'm actually getting full travel,
You would get even more travel with a 57mm stroke, but only if your linkage system supports that.
ROCKSHOX FOR LIFE🤟🤘🤘 srry fox😂
some engineer spent countless hours designing this so don't be too hard on yourself if you don't understand it watching a two and a half minute video...this is for the most part sales propergander but if you watch it enough times you should be able to get a reasonable idea as to what is going on
Ok. I regret looking this up.
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I d like to have it :(
Last is seating again w/biking BMX or motor cross bal & standing or partial seating is v/diff from just riding a bike. The old style banana seats r safest, bc u hve largest area to land back down on. U can jump w/2 riders & still land it. Hving a modern hinged in middle banana seat gives u 2 seats in 1 & positions to rest on or against or actual sit back down on. Bc it is hinged if u know going to take a hit u want to b rear most shocks absorption 2 on back & most travel. So many dynamics w/speed & jumps BMX & NOW Ebikes r more motor cross then req biking. It needs the connection pnts disconnected from bike.
Normal BMX 4 hve frame flex shock & front fork shocks but need leg bracing shocks right at peddles & seat shocks w center hinge & u need a seam steering shock system as well. Skimp on any of these connection pnts & not wearing BMX type safety gear & it is not going to end well. Ebike who knew. Best I can do just taking a swing at it.
now I just need to tune it...
Cool
genuis
Or is it shockoligy??????😎
but may explode with the introduction of air
explain
Could you manufacture one of these on a 1/8 scale for my RC Traxxas Maxx? Pleeeeeaaseee! rsrsrs
Понятно теперь почему они столько стоят...
+Saimon Kravt половина цены за обоср*вшийся в 2 раза курс рубля
That technology has been around since the 40's It's nothing special. Just better packaging and anodized nobs. Get with it Fox and give us something special.
This is retro engenering from ufo
your best shocks will always be your legs...
Nah your spine is way better
woow
Enduro
Nice video sig sey into good enseñ of thes suspension of FOX float x2 is ryalment interesants yuor techniques. Cya from the Santig of Chile 🇨🇱 nice day 👍♥️🚵🍀🇺🇲♥️
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For bikes i prefer wp.
Well i trust those engineers and i and I almost ended up dead :) :) (joke)
My wallet hates me...
599,00 €
for the masses I don't thick it is safe to bmx bike/ ebike. Jids sure or teens but not masses. Need a new design that disconnect rider from basic bike design contact pnts, but as yet I got nothing. In motor cross u hve padding & helmets & chest guards & more frame but on bikes it is not safe margin. God/JBM my option for what it is worth. U never forget how to but doesn't mean your still able to & that is a req bike not BMX or NOW Ebike.
Fox fox !!!☺😅😂👍👍👍
Copy-paste Ohlins TT tecnology!!
how is it copy paste? most companies use the same technology...plus fox has been in the game even before ohlins.
I'm not sure what you're trying to claim, I suppose just name dropping Ohlin's and mentioning "technology" to seem like you have even a basic understanding of what's going on here. Ohlin's doesn't have a monopoly on damper architecture. You can't patent damper architecture, only a VERY specific way in which you were to implement said "technology", as you call it. The same design principles have and are being used in countless other products by countless other manufacturers.
me with a zoom non ajustable fork at 25 bucks : ;(
i hear sexs you say fox xd
Bingung 😂
This thing is more complex than an IC engine..LoL..
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All I can say is that they are expensive garbage they came on my yxz1000r complete junk
wlb2580 this is a dh bike shock,not moto
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8년동안 삽질 할줄 누가 알았으랴???
looks little too complicated to work stable for longer than 1-2 race, so it's advanced expensive peace of shit :))
In most cases advanced complications are almost only for marketing purpose only (to rise up prices). So because of that I'm using rock shox, i't just working ok and for a long without huge maintenance.
nonsense man, i work on huge hydraulic machines with similar technology and its built too last, got to love hydraulics.
You have no idea what your talking about. This is just as reliable as previous fox or other standard type shocks but this system provides more consistent damping while in use. Check out Ohlins TTX, same thing. It also requires less time to revalve due to the shim stacks being so easily accessible.
there basically the same technology :P
YOu can ride this for months without servicing it.
Speak Polish please! :(
What
Cough cough. Simple...