Fox Float DPS 140mm with a firmer retuned damper because I'm 220lbs. I'm really glad you brought out tuning a shock. I don't think most heavy riders realize they can have the shock retuned. It makes a huge difference. The upgrade is worth it!
I run the fox x2 and love it, but am eager to move to the dhx2 soon. Would you guys do a comparison video on the dhx2 2020 and the roxshoxs coil? That would help me with my search
Agree with your assessment. I do find the X2 to offer better pedaling support in the open mode. One of the better things about the Rockshox is that is easier to perform some basic maintenance at home, which makes it more affordable to own.
Not sure about the internal differences of the Super Deluxe vs. the Super Deluxe Coil, but if they're as similar as the Float X2 and DHX2, the DHX2 and Super Deluxe Coil should have more or less the same differences as shown in the video, besides the air spring differences of course.
I would also like to add that as a very light rider I have had experiences where more fine-tuning on a shock would be very beneficial to my riding. I have also heard this from multiple other very light riders. This might be something you want to take into account.
@@hannes6114 about 140 with gear, but since I’m tall I ride larger frame bikes. The downhill bike I rode for a while had a shock with compression adjustment that I could only utilize the bottom 2 clicks of, since it came tuned for a larger rider.
I'm about 56 kg or 123 lbs and I've done some research on this and it seems quite correct. I can only ride my Deluxe Select+ at the fastest rebound, same for my Recon fork. I would like to have a couple more clicks to go faster, ie, the fastest rebound being faster than currently. Also, I use low pressures but I had to seg my sag at no more than 25% because I was bottoming it out a lot with more intense riding, and I feel suspension bobs a lot on pedalling as well. It may as well be the kinematics of the Polygon Siskiu D7, but I am currently looking forward to doing a custom tune on shock and fork to see if it improves.
I rode Fox suspension on a 2011 GT Sensor 1.0 for years and never had to touch it...no oil or air leaks, it just worked. My 2020 Revel Rascal came with Rockshox and it's been nothing but a PITA. The fork leaked oil in the first few months, had to have my LBS fix it, and now the "deluxe" shock is leaking air. I have to refill it every time I ride, and during the ride! Haven't even had the bike for a year. I'm 55 years old, not a downhill balls to the wall enduro rider. I'm switching to Fox and getting rid of this Rockshox crap. Love the Rascal, great bike!
The new tune on the super deluxe on the new 5010 is amazing. Both are great shocks though. Most people dont bother with tuning their shocks to fit their bikes and riding style/weight. If you already have a shock try having it properly serviced and tuned first before you buy a new one.
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 why dentist? do dentists make a lot of money in the US? I've lived in several countries and mostly they make an average income, and sometimes they are even below average. to be honest, it is not too hard to do dentistry, i have a few friends that are dentists, it's like craftsmanship
@@ricardog4459 in Canada dentists make on average 140k a year (i live in canada) in US it's around 180k a year (on average again of course) Dentists get more free time then normal doctors so that's why we say dentist They have the most free time with the most money made on average so people say they're dentists when they have really nice bikes even though they just ride for fun
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 ah I see. wow that's crazy money for something not thaaat hard to do or learn. not saying it is peanuts, but it's by no means rocket science. here in europe you pay around 80e for first visit, maybe 40-60 on a yearly check. In latin america it's half that or even less. but usually people pay that money themselves, there is no insurance for it. that's why it's not that expensive, otherwise people would only pay emergencies lol in any case, i think most guys can take a summer/winter job, save money 1 or 2 years, and buy quite a nice bike. Personally, I bought the frame new, and I am planning to buy all the components second handed. i did the reckoning and it's much cheaper. people sell the parts they upgrade for less than half here, and in very good state. but you need to be veeery patient, i hope i can finish the bike in a year... lol
I didn’t find setup of the X2 very difficult. Maxed out the air volume spacers because my bike has a regressive leverage curve, set the pressure to give me roughly 20% sag then set high/low speed compression/rebound knobs within the suggested range. Set high-speed rebound at the top of the suggested range (slower rebound) for jumping. Worked great for me and it was a huge performance improvement.
Exactly. I mean like... tracktiony, poppy, consistend, complient, supportive, progresive, linier, responsive, stable, squishy, firm. Just tell me was it good or nah damn it.
Haha many people won't, however every time we make a more simplified comparison video then we get a million comments asking us why we don't get more into the techy nerdy side of the components. So it's tough to keep everyone happy but we try our best! 😎
I have a '20 Scout with a '20 X2 and after months of not being able to get the suspension feeling good, I decided to just try setting the HSC and LSC fully opened and then fully closed. I noticed no difference at all. This also coincides with not noticing any difference with the climb switch. I sent it in to Fox who determined there was a problem with the shock and replaced both the compression and rebound circuits. When I got the shock back I noticed that the rebound had way more adjustability to it, but the compression feels the same, no difference from fully opened to fully closed. I contacted fox again and they said they put it on the dyno and determined the compression was fixed and noticed a difference in the settings. Im kind of at a loss here bc no matter what changes I make the shock feels mushly and seems to blow through its travel. For all the X2 owners at there - have you ever tried going from fully opened to fully closed and if so, can you tell a difference? Im trying to determine if this is by design or the shock is still actually bad
Ouch. Yes even a few clicks makes a massive difference with rebound. For LSC it would make a huge difference in traction and feel. Sounds like your sag point may not be dialed? Have you tried adding the orange volume reducers in the shock? You can probably do it with the shock installed on the bike.
Mike S. My sag is within the acceptable range that Transition lists. I’ve tried at the bottom end and the top end of the range too. no change in compression. It’s always the same no matter fully open or closed
atom631 Sounds broke to me. HSC should help with bottom out support, but most often bottom out control is done through spacers in the shock. Just load them up if they aren’t already. Honestly though you probably are on to something. If I turn the compression dials all the way it completely changes the feel of the shock and is immediately noticeable. Good luck
Tyler Wolstenholme you have a 2020 X2? There has to be something wrong with my shock. I’ve let a few people do the test on it any everyone agrees. But fox is saying there’s nothing wrong
dude your reviews are awesome and really well done! you missed nothing! Would sooo love to see you do your thing on that transition bike in the video! ;)
Right now I have a Super Deluxe Select+ and I'm pretty sure at 245 riding weight im outside the compression tune. Im thinking about grabbing a take-off Float X2 from an ebike or something to get a firmer compression tune and more adjustability.
I think the Meg Neg can is genius and a great tool to have available. I over-forked my bike and the Meg Neg helped get the rear have a softer initial stroke to balance the front changes. I would love a rockshox shock that omits the lockout for HSC adjustment. Rockshox has spoilt us with easy to use HSC on their fork cartridges and now it’s time to give us that on the rear of the bike. The deluxe rebound adjustments could use a few more clicks range. Perhaps 10-12 instead of the 7 clicks that mine has. I like that your review does point out how useful the Meg Neg can be changing the spring curve and midstroke support: a key advantage. Great videos guys! I watch all of them! Having said that, I have always lusted after the Fox X2 the most!
Either would be sick! Currently running 2018 Superdeluxe RC3 and absolutely love the shock. Feels like it’s 100% dailed after trying a few different volume spacer and pressure combos. Settled on 190psi with a 2.5 gnardog spacer. (6’3”, I weigh 185-190) felt like it was the best happy medium for both small bump/grip and pop/support but .....you know only the X2 can be 100%...... 🤣
I really dig the videos. Always so informative. Have you done a video on how to install a larger Meg Neg can on the Rock Shox and what riders can benefit from it? That DaVinci is sweet. You always have nice bikes. Thanks for the detailed video. Happy Trails!
I would have to go with the X2 nothing wrong with Rock Shox but l have found in the past RS seem to blow through the travel far to quick were as the Fox kit seems to over a lot more support
Sweet vid Mike. Would have been interesting to see you talk about serviceability. X2 requires the damper to be disassembled to do a 50 hour air can service(send it in to fox/shop) where this is not the case with a DPX2 or super deluxe.
How big is the difference to Float DPS? (Other than 2x price tag) Sometimes it feels the slightly lower end models are better for some beginners. One compression knob and one rebound knob.
The Dps is meant for trail riding and it comes in shorter travel and has less compression and rebound adjustability while the X2 is made for enduro or downhill riding so it comes in longer travel versions and it is more tunable with 16 clicks of low speed compression and rebound and 8 clicks of high speed compression and rebound. The X2 is better for big hits and rough trails
I have the super deluxe on the DH commencal furious and it rides almost like a coil but the weight is nice. I did upgrade to the megneg and that really helped the ramp up. I do wish I could adjust the spacers trail side though like the x2.
I completely agree. It would be nice to see reviews of other vendors besides the big boys. Lots of small companies with great products but lack the marketing budget to compensate internet influencers. The DVO Topaz is a great rear shock. Also, how about 1UpUSA as the best bike rack but because they are 100% consumer direct, no bike shop of online store will promote them.
John Panozzo dude what an amazing point about 1up. Also he should do ride formula suspension also. I recently just signed with DVO suspension and I’m enjoying every moment of it!
couldnt agree more with the conclusion. i currently have the super deluxe with the megneg installed in my 2021 enduro and it feels great but not that 100% amazing feeling of a float x2. considering an upgrade but it really isnt much between em!
I have the Rockshok Deluxe on my Santa Cruz Hightower 2021, but I’m putting the Meg neg on it as soon as I get it. Also thinking of purchasing the cascade assembly linkage. What do you think of this linkage; have you tried it? And do you sell it?
Santa Cruz spend millions on R@D on there suspension alone, putting that thing on it would probably just give you more travel and thats it! If you want that little extra travel IMHO go for it, but for me that explanation from Cascade about what there linkage can do for you and your bike, is worth as much as their explanation of what does not do ... Did my home work and just decided to go megneg, I am putting one on as I write this. In a nut shell, my 2 cent opinion is that, it is wiser to upgrade my shock than spend $350 (shipped cascade) for a linkage that may or may not do anything for me.
Is it possible to do this sort of comparison with coil shocks or just the coils? Specially with those progressive coils from MRP or Cane Creek. I really want one but there are no videos comparing either one of them.
Even before watching the review, Rochshox FOR SURE. The X2 has a known flaw that lets air mix with oil at a very early stage, sometimes with as little as a month or less of use. Fox is finally repairing some under warranty but for the longest, they would not admit fault. This is like the RockShox Reverb seat post, nothing but a glorified paper weight.
Mine has cavitation too. Have you got written proof of waft fox gas said? My local are saying it’s just wear n tear and I needed a service anyway so would be nice to have some office documentation to show them
MY21-23 did have durability issues which have since been fixed with a big revision in MY24 and MY25 shocks. The MY24/25 shocks have been incredibly reliable 🤘
When we buy a bike, there are factory settings in the shock. In after market, how do you do to find these settings in order to be sure your new shock will be good for your bike? Thanks in advance for your answer !
Always love your videos Mike. Eagerly awaiting and order from you guys, which again, were parts you had that no one else did. How you liking that Devinci?
Haha thanks for your order! We're doing our best to keep the shelves stocked with all the goodies during this craziness. I love the Devinci! It does everything very well and it's been my favorite bike of the past several years for sure.
I have the super deluxe (not ultimate) with the meg neg. I hated that shock at first, but the meg neg made such a difference that I actually enjoy how the shock feels now.
@@trailladymtb7700 very easy to install, although I didn't have a press to push out the bushings, a soft mallet hammer worked good for me. Had to remove the bushing in the lower to allow the air can to be removed.
I've had 4 Fox x2 and it's very good and had one Rockshox and its ok works ok if your not a fiddler for people don't understand how to get the best out of the suspension.
I'm 280lbs and a fox customer service rep recommended the 2022 Float X2, I'd like to ask then would the Super Deluxe Ultimate work as well for my weight? I'm using a 2021 GT Sensor sport.
Just take the time to learn suspension. Know what HSR,LSR,HSC,LSC and sag does. Keep a log book with all your settings and location, then write in a brief description of your ride as soon as your finished. You’ll be amazed at how much of a difference it makes when you actually know what your suspension is doing and how to correct it vs guessing.
Cane Creek Double Barrel Air or coil. I run the coil version when I'm riding in southern Utah, and the air version when riding in northern Utah. Mainly just to save weight.
How much pressure are you running in your Tires with these Shocks Setup in this video? I´m seeing that you have a Assegai up front and Minion DHR in the back (not sure which casings). The Tires seem to absorb quite a lot.
I think it's kinda weird that nobody ever talks about maintanance of these things. A full service on a RockShox shock is super easy and you can get all the replacements parts, while with Fox you're having a hard time getting them. Furthermore RS replacement seals etc. i a third of the price when compared to fox. Im Riding a super deluxe simply because I can do a full service in no time just with a couple of tools, that i have in the back of my car. With Fox you almost always have to send it in - These days you're lucky if you get it back within 6 weeks.
Question: how many rebound clicks does the rockshox super delux have? I bought a new bike, with the super delux shoxk, and it has only 6 clicks. Is that normal? i also have to say, theat on the shock is writtern: that it was custom tuned for that frame (cube one 77). Need your HELP.......Pl ease!
Hi Lukas! If you give us a call or shoot us an email, our bike nerds can help you get that shock dialed for your bike. (360) 306-8827 // sales@thelostco.com
I have 2018 X2 and love it but I feel like the firm lever might not be working right. The lever fully on is more in between a trail setting and open than actually firm but I haven't been able to try another X2 to test it out that way. Do your firm lever work on the last generation X2s?
i have 2 fullsus bikes with rearshock of fox x2 and super deluxe with megneg.. my favorite is RS with megneg without tokens and zero band is perfect to me...
What's your weight and riding style? I have RS Deluxe Select with MegNeg and 68kg and still adjusting to find the best setup for traction and occasionally medium jumps
@@U9LyKwaN that's what i really like, no more bottomout, no more pedal bob, it climbs better.. i almost want to buy fox coil shock before but when i tried megneg i changed my mind..
Thanks a lot for the feedback bro. I really was thinking to get the Float X2 but don't wanna spend that much if I can have a similar feeling from a much cheaper setup. Besides, I'm not that good at telling whether a certain shock is really good or else 😅
I'm very unhappy with how much of a lemon the x2 is. During my first 100 hours I had to replace many expensive parts ontop of my service. This is a common theme with this bastard.
Both! But seriously... The X2 is better for going fast since it's more planted. The Super Deluxe is better for jumping since it's more poppy. If you ride more DH, I'd recommend the Float X2. Bear in mind, the differences are minimal, so don't get too hung up on the decision. You WILL not be disappointed with either.
Not sure if fox has one but they probably do,,i mean I used the Shox app before. Anyways the most important thing is to have the right amount of air so your sag is about 30percent then you adjust the rebound to it doesn't bounce to much but can still do bunny hops without the rear wheel feels like glued in sirup
I’m probably in the category that likes to set up quickly with less mucking about , probably why I favour super deluxe with megneg, 2 or 3 rides and I’ve got it running sweet
*_Which shock would you run? And why?_*
Fox Float DPS 140mm with a firmer retuned damper because I'm 220lbs. I'm really glad you brought out tuning a shock. I don't think most heavy riders realize they can have the shock retuned. It makes a huge difference. The upgrade is worth it!
I run the fox x2 and love it, but am eager to move to the dhx2 soon. Would you guys do a comparison video on the dhx2 2020 and the roxshoxs coil? That would help me with my search
I have the super deluxe select and I love it, I don't fine tune my shock much though
@@ShredReadyFilms same
I run the X2's younger sibling, the DPX2
Watching this at .5 or .25 speed is hilarious. The guy sounds hammered lol
holy shit, i just did this and its hilarious HAHAHA
Hahahaha
How high are you
LOL did it ... .25 is too slow but .5 sounds perfect ... And yes I'm high. Off with though!
Edit: *work ... told you i was high
If you want to take this to the next level, watch Bob Ross at 1.5x speed for a while. He talks like a normal person but his paintbrush goes nuts!
Agree with your assessment. I do find the X2 to offer better pedaling support in the open mode. One of the better things about the Rockshox is that is easier to perform some basic maintenance at home, which makes it more affordable to own.
Fox float dhx2 vs rockshox super deluxe coil?
Not sure about the internal differences of the Super Deluxe vs. the Super Deluxe Coil, but if they're as similar as the Float X2 and DHX2, the DHX2 and Super Deluxe Coil should have more or less the same differences as shown in the video, besides the air spring differences of course.
“Fox absorbs and Rockshox just bounces around” -Remy
@@EthanAdey Remy Gauvin or Metailler?
@@wumbobo different one, my friend with 51 subscribers
I don't even have a rear shock. why am I watching this lol
Sean shocking😂
Because you poor
Same feels bad😅
Same
Same here
I would also like to add that as a very light rider I have had experiences where more fine-tuning on a shock would be very beneficial to my riding. I have also heard this from multiple other very light riders. This might be something you want to take into account.
what weight are we talking about?
@@hannes6114 about 140 with gear, but since I’m tall I ride larger frame bikes. The downhill bike I rode for a while had a shock with compression adjustment that I could only utilize the bottom 2 clicks of, since it came tuned for a larger rider.
Ok, thanks
I'm about 56 kg or 123 lbs and I've done some research on this and it seems quite correct. I can only ride my Deluxe Select+ at the fastest rebound, same for my Recon fork. I would like to have a couple more clicks to go faster, ie, the fastest rebound being faster than currently. Also, I use low pressures but I had to seg my sag at no more than 25% because I was bottoming it out a lot with more intense riding, and I feel suspension bobs a lot on pedalling as well. It may as well be the kinematics of the Polygon Siskiu D7, but I am currently looking forward to doing a custom tune on shock and fork to see if it improves.
That's really helpful! Thanks
I rode Fox suspension on a 2011 GT Sensor 1.0 for years and never had to touch it...no oil or air leaks, it just worked. My 2020 Revel Rascal came with Rockshox and it's been nothing but a PITA. The fork leaked oil in the first few months, had to have my LBS fix it, and now the "deluxe" shock is leaking air. I have to refill it every time I ride, and during the ride! Haven't even had the bike for a year. I'm 55 years old, not a downhill balls to the wall enduro rider. I'm switching to Fox and getting rid of this Rockshox crap. Love the Rascal, great bike!
Love the fact I watch bike shocks so much even tho I only ride hardtails lol, but l’ll rather choose coil version of the fox float x2
You almost sounded like a biker Linus for a second there...
The new tune on the super deluxe on the new 5010 is amazing. Both are great shocks though. Most people dont bother with tuning their shocks to fit their bikes and riding style/weight. If you already have a shock try having it properly serviced and tuned first before you buy a new one.
Got my 5010 a month ago and I can confirm. That pop he was talking about is game changing
I dunno what tune means tbh. You set your damper to the trail wheteher its a downhill track or a blue trail, you set it differently.
My SB150 frame came with the X2. I can’t wait to build it and rip on it!!
I already have the Float X2 of my Pivot Mach6 for my bike park runs and I love it.
Rockshox is a clear winner cause of the price
Yeah but fox has more adjustments
I'm staying with rockshox tho
Or ohlins if i was a dentist
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 why dentist? do dentists make a lot of money in the US? I've lived in several countries and mostly they make an average income, and sometimes they are even below average. to be honest, it is not too hard to do dentistry, i have a few friends that are dentists, it's like craftsmanship
@@ricardog4459 in Canada dentists make on average 140k a year (i live in canada) in US it's around 180k a year (on average again of course)
Dentists get more free time then normal doctors so that's why we say dentist
They have the most free time with the most money made on average so people say they're dentists when they have really nice bikes even though they just ride for fun
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 ah I see. wow that's crazy money for something not thaaat hard to do or learn. not saying it is peanuts, but it's by no means rocket science. here in europe you pay around 80e for first visit, maybe 40-60 on a yearly check. In latin america it's half that or even less.
but usually people pay that money themselves, there is no insurance for it. that's why it's not that expensive, otherwise people would only pay emergencies lol
in any case, i think most guys can take a summer/winter job, save money 1 or 2 years, and buy quite a nice bike.
Personally, I bought the frame new, and I am planning to buy all the components second handed. i did the reckoning and it's much cheaper. people sell the parts they upgrade for less than half here, and in very good state. but you need to be veeery patient, i hope i can finish the bike in a year... lol
I didn’t find setup of the X2 very difficult. Maxed out the air volume spacers because my bike has a regressive leverage curve, set the pressure to give me roughly 20% sag then set high/low speed compression/rebound knobs within the suggested range. Set high-speed rebound at the top of the suggested range (slower rebound) for jumping. Worked great for me and it was a huge performance improvement.
I think 97% of these people won’t even feel a difference like u do
Exactly. I mean like... tracktiony, poppy, consistend, complient, supportive, progresive, linier, responsive, stable, squishy, firm. Just tell me was it good or nah damn it.
99.99%
97% of what that guy feels is emotional. The rest is what's actually measurable.
Haha many people won't, however every time we make a more simplified comparison video then we get a million comments asking us why we don't get more into the techy nerdy side of the components. So it's tough to keep everyone happy but we try our best! 😎
I do, I hate it when highest end suspension don't come with high speed ajustments, it's ridiculous super deluxe only has low speed compression.
I have a '20 Scout with a '20 X2 and after months of not being able to get the suspension feeling good, I decided to just try setting the HSC and LSC fully opened and then fully closed. I noticed no difference at all. This also coincides with not noticing any difference with the climb switch. I sent it in to Fox who determined there was a problem with the shock and replaced both the compression and rebound circuits. When I got the shock back I noticed that the rebound had way more adjustability to it, but the compression feels the same, no difference from fully opened to fully closed. I contacted fox again and they said they put it on the dyno and determined the compression was fixed and noticed a difference in the settings. Im kind of at a loss here bc no matter what changes I make the shock feels mushly and seems to blow through its travel. For all the X2 owners at there - have you ever tried going from fully opened to fully closed and if so, can you tell a difference? Im trying to determine if this is by design or the shock is still actually bad
Ouch. Yes even a few clicks makes a massive difference with rebound. For LSC it would make a huge difference in traction and feel. Sounds like your sag point may not be dialed? Have you tried adding the orange volume reducers in the shock? You can probably do it with the shock installed on the bike.
Mike S. My sag is within the acceptable range that Transition lists. I’ve tried at the bottom end and the top end of the range too. no change in compression. It’s always the same no matter fully open or closed
atom631 Sounds broke to me. HSC should help with bottom out support, but most often bottom out control is done through spacers in the shock. Just load them up if they aren’t already. Honestly though you probably are on to something. If I turn the compression dials all the way it completely changes the feel of the shock and is immediately noticeable. Good luck
There is a huge difference between compression open and closed. Even between fully open and half closed I could notice a huge difference with mine
Tyler Wolstenholme you have a 2020 X2?
There has to be something wrong with my shock. I’ve let a few people do the test on it any everyone agrees. But fox is saying there’s nothing wrong
dude your reviews are awesome and really well done! you missed nothing! Would sooo love to see you do your thing on that transition bike in the video! ;)
Comparison videos that actually help people make a decision 😍😍😍
Excellent review. It really covered all the bases
How about a video with more details on the MegNeg & bikes suited for it?
Right now I have a Super Deluxe Select+ and I'm pretty sure at 245 riding weight im outside the compression tune. Im thinking about grabbing a take-off Float X2 from an ebike or something to get a firmer compression tune and more adjustability.
Great video! I mean, what can I say..., Both shocks and thier comparable forks won the EWS Multiple times. They're both great 🤘
I think the Meg Neg can is genius and a great tool to have available. I over-forked my bike and the Meg Neg helped get the rear have a softer initial stroke to balance the front changes.
I would love a rockshox shock that omits the lockout for HSC adjustment. Rockshox has spoilt us with easy to use HSC on their fork cartridges and now it’s time to give us that on the rear of the bike. The deluxe rebound adjustments could use a few more clicks range. Perhaps 10-12 instead of the 7 clicks that mine has.
I like that your review does point out how useful the Meg Neg can be changing the spring curve and midstroke support: a key advantage. Great videos guys! I watch all of them!
Having said that, I have always lusted after the Fox X2 the most!
Agreed, we're crossing our fingers that RockShox brings out a super adjustable shock sometime soon!!
Either would be sick! Currently running 2018 Superdeluxe RC3 and absolutely love the shock. Feels like it’s 100% dailed after trying a few different volume spacer and pressure combos. Settled on 190psi with a 2.5 gnardog spacer. (6’3”, I weigh 185-190) felt like it was the best happy medium for both small bump/grip and pop/support but .....you know only the X2 can be 100%...... 🤣
Love my marzocchi hard to imagine an air fork after falling in love with a coil
Yeah if a coil works for your riding/bike there's zero reason to ever go back. I use my enduro for a variety of applications so rely on adjustability.
Now in love with air - I guess it is all good
Which is best for heavy rider? Thanks!
I really dig the videos. Always so informative. Have you done a video on how to install a larger Meg Neg can on the Rock Shox and what riders can benefit from it? That DaVinci is sweet. You always have nice bikes. Thanks for the detailed video. Happy Trails!
I’ve just recently purchased a new Ibis Ripmo V2s with an X2. The shock was defective straight away so currently in getting fixed..
I would have to go with the X2 nothing wrong with Rock Shox but l have found in the past RS seem to blow through the travel far to quick were as the Fox kit seems to over a lot more support
Why is the trunnion x2 wider than the non trunnion
would be rad is you showed us your settings for both shocks , for your weight and riding area.. another rad video anyways !!!
Sweet vid Mike. Would have been interesting to see you talk about serviceability. X2 requires the damper to be disassembled to do a 50 hour air can service(send it in to fox/shop) where this is not the case with a DPX2 or super deluxe.
How big is the difference to Float DPS? (Other than 2x price tag)
Sometimes it feels the slightly lower end models are better for some beginners. One compression knob and one rebound knob.
The Dps is meant for trail riding and it comes in shorter travel and has less compression and rebound adjustability while the X2 is made for enduro or downhill riding so it comes in longer travel versions and it is more tunable with 16 clicks of low speed compression and rebound and 8 clicks of high speed compression and rebound. The X2 is better for big hits and rough trails
I have the super deluxe on the DH commencal furious and it rides almost like a coil but the weight is nice. I did upgrade to the megneg and that really helped the ramp up. I do wish I could adjust the spacers trail side though like the x2.
Good Review!! RS is less complicated to setup for sure...
Can I get a LOST Tshirt?
Could you also talk about DVO suspension?
I completely agree. It would be nice to see reviews of other vendors besides the big boys. Lots of small companies with great products but lack the marketing budget to compensate internet influencers. The DVO Topaz is a great rear shock. Also, how about 1UpUSA as the best bike rack but because they are 100% consumer direct, no bike shop of online store will promote them.
John Panozzo dude what an amazing point about 1up. Also he should do ride formula suspension also. I recently just signed with DVO suspension and I’m enjoying every moment of it!
@@TCENDURO but every review you see the “big boys” almost always come out on top. And no I don’t think reviewers get paid off by the big boys either.
Fantastic review brotha! Well done!....
couldnt agree more with the conclusion. i currently have the super deluxe with the megneg installed in my 2021 enduro and it feels great but not that 100% amazing feeling of a float x2. considering an upgrade but it really isnt much between em!
Can you do a review of the cane creek DB kitsuma air rear shock?🤘🏼
Can I add the meg neg to my super deluxe select
Could you compare the fox dhx2 and Rockshox super deluxe coil one day?
Same
Same story with coil as with air. Ultimate adjustability vs. Easier setup/user serviceability
@@caderidenour642 yes but i'd like to have some basic impression of it how it feels, if it is a good option besides the dhx2
I have the Rockshok Deluxe on my Santa Cruz Hightower 2021, but I’m putting the Meg neg on it as soon as I get it. Also thinking of purchasing the cascade assembly linkage. What do you think of this linkage; have you tried it? And do you sell it?
Santa Cruz spend millions on R@D on there suspension alone, putting that thing on it would probably just give you more travel and thats it! If you want that little extra travel IMHO go for it, but for me that explanation from Cascade about what there linkage can do for you and your bike, is worth as much as their explanation of what does not do ...
Did my home work and just decided to go megneg, I am putting one on as I write this.
In a nut shell, my 2 cent opinion is that, it is wiser to upgrade my shock than spend $350 (shipped cascade) for a linkage that may or may not do anything for me.
Which damper is better suited for heavy people (approx. 120kg)?
Great video, very informative :)
Hey Mike, how does the Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil compare to the DHX2?
Do a comparison on the Fox float dhx2 vs rockshox super deluxe coil as well! Or maybe individual reviews of each?
Wonder which norco i should by, is the rochshox more poppy, then i know.
I LOVE my x2
Is it possible to do this sort of comparison with coil shocks or just the coils?
Specially with those progressive coils from MRP or Cane Creek.
I really want one but there are no videos comparing either one of them.
i was actually interested in buying a shock until I heard the price and then I had to have a conversation with my wallet and agreed to not buy a shock
get a marzocchi bomber cr coil. they sooo good and cheap
Even before watching the review, Rochshox FOR SURE. The X2 has a known flaw that lets air mix with oil at a very early stage, sometimes with as little as a month or less of use. Fox is finally repairing some under warranty but for the longest, they would not admit fault. This is like the RockShox Reverb seat post, nothing but a glorified paper weight.
Mine has cavitation too. Have you got written proof of waft fox gas said? My local are saying it’s just wear n tear and I needed a service anyway so would be nice to have some office documentation to show them
what you think about Rock Shox Super Deluxe Select, DebonAir?
The last few float x2 iterations have been blowing out for so many people it’s crazy
MY21-23 did have durability issues which have since been fixed with a big revision in MY24 and MY25 shocks. The MY24/25 shocks have been incredibly reliable 🤘
@@TheLostComy 2024 X2 just blew…
Would you a comparison between the dhx2 and the vivid rc2 and cane creewk double barrel coil?
When we buy a bike, there are factory settings in the shock. In after market, how do you do to find these settings in order to be sure your new shock will be good for your bike? Thanks in advance for your answer !
I don't know about rockshox but with fox most bikes have a tune for it, you can look up that tune code on the Fox website.
Always love your videos Mike. Eagerly awaiting and order from you guys, which again, were parts you had that no one else did. How you liking that Devinci?
Haha thanks for your order! We're doing our best to keep the shelves stocked with all the goodies during this craziness. I love the Devinci! It does everything very well and it's been my favorite bike of the past several years for sure.
I have the super deluxe (not ultimate) with the meg neg. I hated that shock at first, but the meg neg made such a difference that I actually enjoy how the shock feels now.
Do you mind me asking... Was it hard to swap out the can?
Megneg even made my normal deluxe feel good under the weight of a levo. Not hard to fit at all either.
@@trailladymtb7700 very easy to install, although I didn't have a press to push out the bushings, a soft mallet hammer worked good for me. Had to remove the bushing in the lower to allow the air can to be removed.
Is there a non-Kashima Coat version of the Float X2?
Hows that small bump absorption/traction on the RSSD w/ that $90 MegNeg upgrade? It's still cheaper than an X2 at that point.
I've had 4 Fox x2 and it's very good and had one Rockshox and its ok works ok if your not a fiddler for people don't understand how to get the best out of the suspension.
What's the difference between the 2020 and 2021 Fox X2?
Can either of these be used on a 2016 Santa Cruz Hightower?
Literally just bought a used Rockshox Super Deluxe Select+
How do you like it? I just did the same. Upgraded from the Fox DPS Float.
@@marklopez5267 I honestly have no idea. I don't pay attention enough and ride the same trails enough to tell lol
I'm 280lbs and a fox customer service rep recommended the 2022 Float X2, I'd like to ask then would the Super Deluxe Ultimate work as well for my weight? I'm using a 2021 GT Sensor sport.
Can you do a tuning video on the DPX2?
Do you run the same pressure in both?
Just take the time to learn suspension. Know what HSR,LSR,HSC,LSC and sag does. Keep a log book with all your settings and location, then write in a brief description of your ride as soon as your finished. You’ll be amazed at how much of a difference it makes when you actually know what your suspension is doing and how to correct it vs guessing.
Fox love the look of it and obviously want that %100 perfect for racing
Cane Creek Double Barrel Air or coil. I run the coil version when I'm riding in southern Utah, and the air version when riding in northern Utah. Mainly just to save weight.
How much pressure are you running in your Tires with these Shocks Setup in this video? I´m seeing that you have a Assegai up front and Minion DHR in the back (not sure which casings). The Tires seem to absorb quite a lot.
You need to talk about serviceability. The X2 is shocking for cost, and frequency. The 25% extra price bl9ws out quick
Cool stuff, what font did you use for FOX?
Do you guys carry the Super Deluxe Ultimate shock with Stumpjumper 2019 tune? I’m a big rider. 250lbs. Which one of these shocks would I need?
Great vid as always.... love them😎. Can you do the same for the coil equivalents ??? Thanks and keep on.
Can the "custom tunes" be done at home or do they need to be done by the manufacturer?
Jody Wiebe if you’re a professional MTB mechanic
Hi will the super dlux fits to giant trance 2021 27.5, thanks
Shoot us an email at sales@thelostco.com and we can help you out!
How would you compare it to an ohlins ttx air? I’m in the market and want to get the best I can
We don't have a ton of experience on Ohlins, but if you reach out to our bike wizards, they can help you out.
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Do a review on the dhx2 and super deluxe coil
Can u compare this to a dvo topaz?
Rockshox Super Deluxe LLC1 and LL1 what is the difference ?
Excellent content dude; thanks!
I think it's kinda weird that nobody ever talks about maintanance of these things.
A full service on a RockShox shock is super easy and you can get all the replacements parts, while with Fox you're having a hard time getting them. Furthermore RS replacement seals etc. i a third of the price when compared to fox.
Im Riding a super deluxe simply because I can do a full service in no time just with a couple of tools, that i have in the back of my car.
With Fox you almost always have to send it in - These days you're lucky if you get it back within 6 weeks.
How does DPS compare?
I think a comparison of the dpx2 and super deluxe is a more fair comparison
Question: how many rebound clicks does the rockshox super delux have? I bought a new bike, with the super delux shoxk, and it has only 6 clicks. Is that normal? i also have to say, theat on the shock is writtern: that it was custom tuned for that frame (cube one 77). Need your HELP.......Pl
ease!
Hi Lukas! If you give us a call or shoot us an email, our bike nerds can help you get that shock dialed for your bike.
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what knee pads u're using in this video? tnx!
The 100% Surpass - highly recommend!
After owning & riding both I prefer the x2
whats your fox x2 setting?
Fox X2 have a weight limit?
Is there a weight difference? The Fox seems a bit heavier
I have 2018 X2 and love it but I feel like the firm lever might not be working right. The lever fully on is more in between a trail setting and open than actually firm but I haven't been able to try another X2 to test it out that way. Do your firm lever work on the last generation X2s?
It's not a lock-out. I have a 2019 X2, and in full firm is still a bit squishy. It is, however, a huge deal less squishy than running full open.
@@vomErsten thanks!
SDU tune on my Tallboy 4 feels great
i have 2 fullsus bikes with rearshock of fox x2 and super deluxe with megneg.. my favorite is RS with megneg without tokens and zero band is perfect to me...
What's your weight and riding style? I have RS Deluxe Select with MegNeg and 68kg and still adjusting to find the best setup for traction and occasionally medium jumps
@@U9LyKwaN im 74kg, i've tried all setup but my most favorite is no tokens and no band setup with my santa cruz nomad 4..
Thanks I guess I will give it a try. Do u ever bottom out? I'm using it on my Bronson V3. We're Syndicate yeahh 🤙🏻
@@U9LyKwaN that's what i really like, no more bottomout, no more pedal bob, it climbs better.. i almost want to buy fox coil shock before but when i tried megneg i changed my mind..
Thanks a lot for the feedback bro. I really was thinking to get the Float X2 but don't wanna spend that much if I can have a similar feeling from a much cheaper setup. Besides, I'm not that good at telling whether a certain shock is really good or else 😅
You should do the dhx2 vs super deluxe ultimate coil
What I’m getting is a remedy 8 which comes with the super delux and I think I’ll stick with it after watch this video
I'm very unhappy with how much of a lemon the x2 is. During my first 100 hours I had to replace many expensive parts ontop of my service. This is a common theme with this bastard.
i ride dh and like going fast and jumping what shock should i get
Both! But seriously... The X2 is better for going fast since it's more planted. The Super Deluxe is better for jumping since it's more poppy. If you ride more DH, I'd recommend the Float X2. Bear in mind, the differences are minimal, so don't get too hung up on the decision. You WILL not be disappointed with either.
@@TheLostCo thanks so much
I run the x2 but how do i adjust the damper correctly??
Not sure if fox has one but they probably do,,i mean I used the Shox app before. Anyways the most important thing is to have the right amount of air so your sag is about 30percent then you adjust the rebound to it doesn't bounce to much but can still do bunny hops without the rear wheel feels like glued in sirup
I run Factory 38's and Factory X2. Best I have ever ridden.
Heck yea man that's some top of the line suspension! Keep it feeling buttery smooth out there 😎
I’m probably in the category that likes to set up quickly with less mucking about , probably why I favour super deluxe with megneg, 2 or 3 rides and I’ve got it running sweet