DIALED: Episode #33 - FOX FLOAT X2 SERVICE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2019
- Fox mechanic Taj Hendry, reveals the process in servicing a Fox Float X2, and the proper steps required when working alongside factory world cup teams.
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Damn this mans dialed. I wish I was this good at anything
i think you would if you make this a thousand times.
Love the amount of knowledge being shared between this and the setup ep as well! Can't wait to get out to fromme and dial my bike in properly! Keep up the good work!
I like that he have access to a bleeding machine, but did everything by hand. Thanks for this!
I have a bleeding machine and holy crap, this is just as fast! Granted, a race rebuild every week is the best preventative maintenance, but it's nice to let the robot bang it out while I do other stuff for a few minutes.
Really appreciate FOX sharing this stuff!
Thank you Fox, a very nice video, your marketing is second to none. If it's possible some time in the future, it would be lovely to see some shim stacks you have developed both for shocks and forks over the numerous years of your work. Cheers and looking forward to your next episode!
Such a smooth oil service 👍 (without Comp.. & rebound removal) and video. 👌
I like this, no messing around with torque settings, and not even a machine bleed, just get the job done!
For sure the best series for mechanic geeks like us!
Keep the videos going!
Awesome!
What a legend .>........Service in 15 min...!!!! Impressive !!!!
Love this video. Cant wait to see the 2021-2022 float x2 video!
Awesome video!! Thank you guys, appreciate that!
if i had this shock, damn straight i'd be tinkering, would want my shock dialed
Love these vids.
beautiful job and video
I can hear loris voice in the background
Great vid, shows how much work it is to really service these bad boys. Would be cool to see a DHX2 full service to see the difference of what you might say is simpler setup with a coil.
beautiful, thx!
brilliant top technition very impressed feel informed thanks
Could you do a dpx2 full service when at the next enduro series?
oh yes, this would be nice
DPX2!
a lot of the enduro guys use an x2
This guy knows his shit. He can service my bike anytime!
Great jobs
Great tutorial. A couple of questions:
1. Would you normally use the Adreani Vacuum machine to bleed the shock? I understand showing this manual method as literally no one has access to that kind of equipment.
2. How often do riders request different tunes on their shocks? Would you adjust shim stacks for different tracks?
fast and efficient. love it
I dialed too on my workshop !
i learned something from this video. first click is one not zero. that's good to know. i now have to rewrite my settings table as everything is one click off :D
My bike shop sent my X2 in to be serviced at Fox, it came back with the air chamber leaking. To my shop and Fox’s credit Fox shipped a brand new X2 for me to use til mine came back from re-service.
Thankfully I went for a DPX2. The X2 seems definitely more difficult.
And this is casual speed for taj dude he could whip that thing out like nothin flat. And he also tells you and shows you the solutions for helping with airation
My son loves working on his bike and he keeps asking me questions and telling me all this stuff and i dont have a bloody clue lol
He also lives learning and developing his skills on the track as well. He is 15 and is facinated by all the extra ordinary stuff you lot do.
But whilst watching this video I havent got a bloody clue going on but he is too shy to ask for an opportunity in this kind of quality so i have decided to try and talk to @FOX in this chat and he is 15 and always cant get enough of ridijg his bike even when we cant get him there he decides to bike somewhere as he just lives being on his bike and his name is Tid
Alison Atkinson.
Hey Alison, your son Tid sounds like a shredder! It is awesome to hear he is passionate about biking and takes interest in servicing his bike; a very valuable skill for a kid his age especially with how hard those bikes get ridden. Let Tid know if he has any ideas or wants to see something specific, to leave us a comment and we can try our best to get it done for future episodes. Cheers!
@@FOXFACTORY was not even expecting a reply thank you so much for replying. He is also trying to get into racing enduro but he keeps complaining about his wheel size as he prefers bigger wheels. I think its 29er and he wont stop going on about them to me. I think he also have all fox suspension as well but his bike is very old. He was overwhelmed when I told him you guys replied. Thank you again.
Alison
Ps his real name is Thierry but evryone calls him Tid.
Have a good day. Alison
After watching this I'm just gonna mail you my shock and let ya'll do it. If I was able to buy all the jigs you used for the vise I could do it but I don't so I'm not gonna mess up my shock trying to jerry rig stuff.
those T handle hex wrenches are awesome. where do you get them?
thanks!
Appreciated with your video.
Can you say the fox 2022 float x2 tool list and part list include part number?
love the channel!
Straight up pump and dump, seems like a waste of a good vacuum bleed to lubricate an air can seal.
What tool do you use to remove the air piston. It look like a cartridge bb tool.
How to get the ifp out if you don't have a compressor?
Very informative. The Fox manual states that the IFP chamber must be inflated to 125 psi, but Taj inflates to 150. Which is correct? Does it change anything?
I can definitely do it in my home
Great vid. How many rolls of blue towels do you go through in a race weekend? Between fork and shock service it seems you would have more rolls of towels than parts.
Every Mechanic use around one small blue roll of paper towels at a double event.
Does fox sell that syringe with the adapter for it to screw into the bleed port?
Is there a way to reduce the cavitation that these x2 shocks appear to suffer from regularly?
Great video, its awesome that a manufacture would even publish this. Quick question, when you take the shock pressure you obviously loose a little, how much do you add to compensate, 5psi, 10psi?
stuart harper loose about 1.5 psi when u remove it
Super good question. It’s relative to the PSI of the fork/shock you’re attaching to, and how much air volume is in it. A shock at 300psi would lose a lot more than say a Fox 38 at 70psi (fork has more air volume at a lower pressure). I suspect the correct answer is, it depends. And you can easily figure it out on your own by pumping the shock to a known amount close to your operating PSI, then detach and reattach the gauge and see how much you lost.
That has already been proven to be false. You don't do anything to compensate. If it says 150, you add 150.
Detaching then reattaching the pump is false because when you remove the pump and reattach it, that "lost" pressure is actually just the pressure required to fill the hose, which is why you will always see a lower value even immediately after pumping up a shock.
Very good job! What bleeding kit do I need (@7min45sec)? My adapters doesn't fit to the bleed screw port...
803-00-463 Kit: Fill Machine Adapter, 04-07 Epic IV, DHX Air, RC2_RC4 Shocks
Couple of questions. Does anyone know what the thread specs are on the female side of the bleed adapter are? I've got the adapter, its tapered, but its not NPT. Also, are the steps the same for a 2021 shock? If I don't have a Performance series shock, would I need a VVC tool? #foxdialed #factorysupport #floatx2service
Thank you for the video. Can someone tell me how to open the piggyback from a X2 Performance shock? There is no screw on the top plate 🤷🏼♂️
Would this be similar to a dhx2 service? If not could you do a video on it?
hello can you tell me how the piston must be penetrated into the expansion tank please
Guys which is the reason of the andreani vacuum pump? Is it faster to do the procedure with that?
i love this moment when i realized that he used RS pump in all FOX garage/service space hahaha
look at 15:06 what is standing on the pump you
I have a Factory Float X2 on my 2021 Rocky Mountain Altitude A70. I think I'm losing air. I went rom 230 PSI to 1bout 160 - 170 in like 2 weeks. My Bikes just 6 months old does that seem excessive? any thoughts on what I should do?
How long is the bump stop? It seems too big, don't lose track?
Hi this might be a crazy question but im trying to put together the ultimate Pit tool box and wondered which model/size knipex pliers you use.
did u ever find the part number?
So, no need to vacuum bleed?
I've pulled a vac cycle on suspension oil straight out of the bottle and removed quite a bit of microbubbles suspended in the oil.
I saw the machine next to the hand dyno.
I built my own vac bleed tank to do moto shocks.
great video btw!
tks
It's not completely sealed, microbubbles can still form, and that difference isn't going to be make or break.
@@rustler08 then why do those vacume bleeders exist then ?
That's one job where I wouldn't mind stroking shafts all day.
😂😂
What do you do if the body does go the whole way in as it happen to me and now won’t pump back up
Hello, wich type and brand or model of grease I should use? (Or wich one its recommended by fox) Thank you
Thanks.... ill definitely be sending mine off and not attempting it 😂
#foxdialed aeration was mentioned twice in this video. Any way you guys can explain what aeration is and how that condition is mitigated (other than oil additives) within the shock? Pretty please.
Aeration is the mixing of oil and air. They've done nothing to improve the design to mitigate it, so you are stuck with fixing it when it happens.
If you're lucky only a bit of air got by and you can just pull oil out of the shock and replace it with fresh oil. If you're unlucky, it's full service time
Where can I buy those 9mm shaft clamps?
What is the code of the tools that were used in the video?
So much for DIY, freaking 5 million steps🤪 Butter Suspension is who im sending my X2 👍
Hi, congratulations on the video! I am reviewing my float x2 but I have a problem with the IFP: my shock absorber is 205 mm x 65, if I convert to inches it is 8. 070 x 2.50. I don't understand what VET measure I have to use. Can you help me ? my shock has the serial number C99N. Thank you
According to the service manual it's 1.343in/ 34.11mm. www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=682
Great video but the X2 make me miss the simplicity of the DHX Air. Guess its just my learning curve.
Didn't you omit to reinstate the pressure in the reservoir / IFP chamber?
Seems like all the mechanics love those knippex pliers. Which ones are they?
Best tool ever! He used the medium (180mm)
Those are the knipex Pliers wrench. They are smooth jawed like an adjustable wrench and the jaws are always parallel. The patent ran out, so other companies make similar tools now as well. Knipex are the highest quality though. If you need actual Pliers with teeth to grip shit, check out their Cobra water pump Pliers. 😊
How much do shops usually charge for this service?
7:58 "Ill stroke the shaft a few times"
"and i will stroke the shaft a few times" haha
Glad I'm not the only one. And the line that follows... "So shaft back at full extension"
Do mine next! Its stuck down and still has the old thinner air can that was never sent in for the recall in 2016 because it was stuck down and not in use 😂 anyone know where to get a new air can for the 8.75”? I can only find the 8.5” and thats a different part number, even tried to put my other air can on from my 2018 8.5” with no luck, its a tiny tiny bit shorter
What's the brand of Allen keys Taj uses? Thanks
Facom
What if the shock compresses no matter how slow you release the air?
7:59 lmao oof
lol, i was wondering if the channel had changed
hello excuse me x my english , it is possible to transform a fox x2 216x63 mm shock into 210x55 only by replacing the shaft ano lll 185 (T) /210x50/55
thank you
Would be great if you explained a bit more how the damper works and what the orange volume spacers are intended for
Too bad I watched this video after I locked the high speed valves by pulling them clockwise and I heard a crunching noise. What spare parts are needed for repairs?((help me please 🙏
I take it he’s done this type of service a few times. For someone who likes to service his own shocks, I think this one’s not an option for me. Can you even buy the preset tool and shaft clamps?
The wrench is a Parktool HCW-5, and yes you can buy the shaft clamps but they are extremely expensive around 200,-.
I did build my own with wood. It's not professional but does its job.
at minute 3:51 what tool do you use? Where can you buy that tool?
Anyone know what hex keys he's using? Look great ✌️
facom t-handle (french)
1. What is the psi pressure of the IFP tube? 2. do all rearshok psi ifp is the same? 3. What is the effect of ifp ifp is too high or too low? Thank you.
Google for the service manuals. The IFP pressure depends on then model and is specified by the manufacturer. For example the X2 DHX has 150 psi, the X2 Air has 125 psi and an older Float has 350 psi.
So how do I get my hands on all the necessary tools for this job?
Daniel Hayward Just send your shock for a service. In my country, a complete servis is 66€ which is way less than all the tools you would need for properly doing it yourself.
so do you know how much air is lost, buy installing the pump to "measure" the pressure ? So original the rider put 190 psi inside, but you dont know it. You measre with the pump now 178 for example? Do you add always the same factor on top afterwards?
In my experience that depends almost entirely on the pump. Just connect it 2-3 times and check the difference in psi and make a note of it.
Correct! Even in Jordi's previous advanced setup video he acknowledged nearly a 12psi drop in shock pressure! Drives me wild when making adjustments
Where do i send my x-2 for a service like this ❓
First click as zero seems to be more logical for me :).
So you don't need nitrogen?
Hi! Make one of these videos for Fox36 !
Why no nitrogen for the ifp Reservoir?
Nitrogen is usually used because it’s dry, and thus won’t cause corrosion. That’ll be a non-issue on shocks that are serviced weekly! I assume Fox uses nitrogen from the factory because most dampers don’t get opened for years at a time. In an IFP design the nitrogen doesn’t touch the damping fluid, so there’s no aeration concerns like in an open-bath damper. And a tiny change in pressure due to heat in the IFP doesn’t really affect the air spring much, especially since the X2 damper shaft is to tiny compared to the air shock and reservoir volume.
i ride 1-2 times a week and my floatx2 breaks every 5 months is this normal? my friends have exact same experience
dd410 .. I mean he did say he was servicing it from after just one day of use didn’t he?
How does it break? Whats wrong with it?
@@aleksandardimitrijevic6575 so i own 2018 version i have it 1.5 year and i had to fully service it 3x already. every time its same issue. u can hear slushing noises during compresion
dd410 sounds like air somehow made its way in, allowing for that noise. Did you never ask the person who serviced it what was wrong?
@@ieatslag5947 somehow??!! It's all that stupid x-ring, thank you Fox! forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/fox-float-x2-shock-discussion-965327.html
If the race mechanics skip nitrogen in the ifp chamber, I will too:-) Any point in having nitrogen in these at all?
Complete guess would be that they are stripping and servicing these forks every weekend so the long term stability provided by nitrogen isn't much of a benefit. For the average rider servicing their shock once a year it's a different story.
I agree. The idea to use pure nitrogen, for you understanding, is that the molecules are bigger, which won't leak or leak less through the sealing. It also depends on the pressure. Some shocks use 400psi in the IFP to compensate hysteresis.
Service open to the public during snowshoe? 34 SC factory series
Kazak Thranduil chances are they’ll be exclusively helping the World Cup riders. If they got the tools and fluids for it I’ll service your fork! Routine service or is there a problem?
@@Mapl3Syrup no but they have all the tools and know how. Like the pump that makes sure no air gets in the damper. Not sure that's used on forks but the Fox truck I trust
please tell me which thread adapter is used for bleeding
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I'd like to know this as well. The thread on the bleed screw is #6-32. I can only find metric thread adapters for the syringe.
IFP 125 psi and the IFP depth 1.343 in
Come again?
No, i will just send mine in 🙈
There is a specific adapter for the syringe to do the bleeding?
I was looking for the adapter. I only found one from Adriani, the company which makes the bleeding machines. And just the adapter did cost 60,-. (No I didn't bought it)
"i'll stroke the shaft a few times"
Damn, that is complex AF
I came here thinking I could do this myself... Might just leave this one to the pros 7:59
Are you not good at stroking the shaft lol.
@@mtbohana I ran out of Slick Honey unfortunately.
@@kellenstuart4698 20w gold works, just kind of messy lol. The 5w sucks.
Next time show servicing a DPX2
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I like to service my own things - but i realise that i would need tools for 1000$ to do this :)