This is the first book I read in the series. I think you are spot-on with your analysis. I hadn't considered the various roles of Nanny, Margrat, and Granny in terms of lifeline but when you said it, AHA! Well spotted.
A fair analysis. Esk does return briefly in 'I Shall Wear Midnight'. It would've been cool to see more of her in an active role in the series. I feel that Pratchett tends to set themes for each novel. Once a theme has been explored he moves on. Gender and sexuality topics are presented throughout the Discworld series. It would be interesting to see the development of these over time.
I wonder how much he thought about bringing her back before that later Tiffany book. But yes while he does talk about gender a lot more he changes the style a bit - Esk has to act like a man to fit in - later on it’s a bit more “we need women to be comfortable being women around men”. Think of Monsoiros Regiment - there were messages there about needing diversity of thought and not trying to be a homogeneous mass of Ruperts. That doesn’t fit in with Esk’s arc.
I had a friend who always said 'great a'tuin' as 'greater chewing', drove me mad. Interesting that both Pratchett and his friend Neil Gaiman love using the archetypes of the maiden, mother and crone in various forms throughout their stories.
30 pages into reading this to my 7 year old boy. It's the 3rd pratchett book I've read to him. I started with the Wee Free Men. All the voices I had to do for that one! Just finished Reaper man. I've got Death's voice as good as i can... I had to correct the book where it refers to her warty hand. Just a small correction. While Nanny Ogg is the greatest of midwives,every witch is a midwife. Great review.
I thought the village witch was providing birth control not abortions. Esc appears as a grown woman and full wizard in one of the Tiffany Aching stories. I think it was “ I shall wear midnight”.
Yes I had some off brain farts on Esk - I think I was referring to why she doesn’t come back as a main character, but it doesn’t sound like that on a re- watch. On the apportions. I went to check and yes sadly it’s definitely abortions not birth control: when you look at the history of such things, h control is very very modern (as it is hormonal and tricks the body into thinking it’s sort of pregnant.) and while pratchett uses magic, he does base this sort of thing on real life. Herbal miscarriages have been a method of stopping children for a very long time. The below article explains, although I wouldn’t call it a morning after pill as it would probably be taken at least a month into the pregnancy. wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Hilta_Goatfounder
"You zoned out..." to the consequences of one of the main points of the story? PS: I wonder if Simon rummaging around in dungeons is homage to 'Simon' in Tad Williams Memory, Sword, and Thorn books?
**SPOILER FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WITCH BOOKS** Just a heads up - I do know that Esk isn't only in this book - re-watching this I was about to say that (which is why I said "a lot of people didn't like - for ages", then I distracted myself talking about the change in granny after this book). And towards the end I'm referring to the fact she doesn't get any more of a character arch. I know it's not clear, god knows what was going on... I'm just re-watching this (and some un-edited footage from other videos) after my ADHD diagnosis and.... yeah... I can't hold a thought for longer than about 2 seconds!
@@sorrelgilbertthegilbertpri7202 great analysis, you're spot on with the Granny and Nanny analysis. I hadn't noticed that although I had addressed that Granny was a bit different in Equal Rites than in later books, but I had just written those differences on "normal" character development.
ooh I like this view - Pratchett is basically talking about neurodiversity - and how that is usually a good thing! (I mean, he does that a lot - but here it's about being different not only from the people in power (wizards) but also the people framed to be clever (witches - although in this one he hasn't quite put witches in the same place as later books)
@@sorrelgilbertthegilbertpri7202 Thank you for the thoughtful reply!😍 I was enjoying your video again, I haven't read the book in a long while.. usual thing, break up with ex and while you think you got all your books (all.. cough, cough) you don't and you have to rely on your memory regarding what happened. I just remember how flummoxed Granny was, as was Nanny slightly puzzled. She just didn't think witch-like. She had a case of the Magics like the other witches but she wasn't a witch .. I just remember her questioning the ways of how Granny and Nanny did things.. even small simple things. She didn't fit in space like they did. And now, due a comment by another person responding to your video, I am perusing my copy of I shall Wear Midnight.. gah.. wheres the Esk bit?
I love this book but to be honest it one of the stories I'm less familiar with I have read and have multiple copies of the books but most of the time I listen to the audio books when I'm commuting to work and this audio book I have never made it through her reading stile is patronising like shes reading to a child with a sing song cadence bit she cant pronounce half the names and it drives me nutty. I love the way you review
You're right - I listened to the audiobook - is yours also of really bad sound quality? It seems like everywhere only has bad quality versions of the first 6 books or so....
@@sorrelgilbertthegilbertpri7202 yes the first 2 are the worse but it does get better after book 7 I think it because the early ones were only recorded for cassette tape after that they started being recorded in CD quality
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This is the first book I read in the series. I think you are spot-on with your analysis. I hadn't considered the various roles of Nanny, Margrat, and Granny in terms of lifeline but when you said it, AHA! Well spotted.
A fair analysis. Esk does return briefly in 'I Shall Wear Midnight'. It would've been cool to see more of her in an active role in the series. I feel that Pratchett tends to set themes for each novel. Once a theme has been explored he moves on. Gender and sexuality topics are presented throughout the Discworld series. It would be interesting to see the development of these over time.
I wonder how much he thought about bringing her back before that later Tiffany book. But yes while he does talk about gender a lot more he changes the style a bit - Esk has to act like a man to fit in - later on it’s a bit more “we need women to be comfortable being women around men”.
Think of Monsoiros Regiment - there were messages there about needing diversity of thought and not trying to be a homogeneous mass of Ruperts. That doesn’t fit in with Esk’s arc.
When Granny is stuck in a bear pit with a bear and the bear has to go his happy place. !!
Oh Granny is AWESOME !!!!!!!!!
I had a friend who always said 'great a'tuin' as 'greater chewing', drove me mad. Interesting that both Pratchett and his friend Neil Gaiman love using the archetypes of the maiden, mother and crone in various forms throughout their stories.
I like the potions and cures side of Granny, rather then pure headolgy. It also brings in Mrs Palm and Mrs Whitlow who make appearances later on.
I love how you get all the different flavours of witches through the books :)
30 pages into reading this to my 7 year old boy. It's the 3rd pratchett book I've read to him. I started with the Wee Free Men. All the voices I had to do for that one! Just finished Reaper man. I've got Death's voice as good as i can... I had to correct the book where it refers to her warty hand. Just a small correction. While Nanny Ogg is the greatest of midwives,every witch is a midwife. Great review.
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Brilliant review. I’m going through Pratchetts work in publication order. Now on to Wyrd Sisters. I love the witches
Same! I have loved every book
Although I agree with the lady in the video - I don’t remember much about the first couple books 😂
@@Yungshamgod compared to later books they weren’t as good but in their own right they are brilliant
I thought the village witch was providing birth control not abortions. Esc appears as a grown woman and full wizard in one of the Tiffany Aching stories. I think it was “ I shall wear midnight”.
Yes I had some off brain farts on Esk - I think I was referring to why she doesn’t come back as a main character, but it doesn’t sound like that on a re- watch.
On the apportions. I went to check and yes sadly it’s definitely abortions not birth control: when you look at the history of such things, h control is very very modern (as it is hormonal and tricks the body into thinking it’s sort of pregnant.) and while pratchett uses magic, he does base this sort of thing on real life.
Herbal miscarriages have been a method of stopping children for a very long time. The below article explains, although I wouldn’t call it a morning after pill as it would probably be taken at least a month into the pregnancy.
wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Hilta_Goatfounder
Lets get down to brass tacks, where on the disc did you find that Map of the Discworld?
My mum would like me to say that the hogfather brought it. but I think the hogfather got it from here:
www.discworldemporium.com/
I love these series!
A little late to the party, but couldn’t help giving my two cents on Coraline. Or at least to giving you a thumbs up on your two cents about Coraline.
I always tell ppl to start with Equal Rites as an intro to the Discworld and STP.
"You zoned out..." to the consequences of one of the main points of the story?
PS: I wonder if Simon rummaging around in dungeons is homage to 'Simon' in Tad Williams Memory, Sword, and Thorn books?
**SPOILER FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WITCH BOOKS**
Just a heads up - I do know that Esk isn't only in this book - re-watching this I was about to say that (which is why I said "a lot of people didn't like - for ages", then I distracted myself talking about the change in granny after this book). And towards the end I'm referring to the fact she doesn't get any more of a character arch. I know it's not clear, god knows what was going on...
I'm just re-watching this (and some un-edited footage from other videos) after my ADHD diagnosis and.... yeah... I can't hold a thought for longer than about 2 seconds!
Esk said that she'd be a wizard and a witch both or neither. she shouldn't be made to choose.
She did read the version on Audible of Wyrd Sisters as well.
Eskarina Smith also appears again, finally in I Shall wear Midnight, and she briefly appears in The Shepherd's Crown
My bad - I think I’d only read that one as a book.
@@sorrelgilbertthegilbertpri7202 great analysis, you're spot on with the Granny and Nanny analysis.
I hadn't noticed that although I had addressed that Granny was a bit different in Equal Rites than in later books, but I had just written those differences on "normal" character development.
Never stop making videos
I mean, obviously I can’t actually command you to do anything, but I will be sad if you stop
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Also, Esk's brain is different from a witch's one. Not that is a Bad Thing.
ooh I like this view - Pratchett is basically talking about neurodiversity - and how that is usually a good thing! (I mean, he does that a lot - but here it's about being different not only from the people in power (wizards) but also the people framed to be clever (witches - although in this one he hasn't quite put witches in the same place as later books)
@@sorrelgilbertthegilbertpri7202 Thank you for the thoughtful reply!😍 I was enjoying your video again, I haven't read the book in a long while.. usual thing, break up with ex and while you think you got all your books (all.. cough, cough) you don't and you have to rely on your memory regarding what happened. I just remember how flummoxed Granny was, as was Nanny slightly puzzled. She just didn't think witch-like. She had a case of the Magics like the other witches but she wasn't a witch .. I just remember her questioning the ways of how Granny and Nanny did things.. even small simple things. She didn't fit in space like they did.
And now, due a comment by another person responding to your video, I am perusing my copy of I shall Wear Midnight..
gah.. wheres the Esk bit?
I love this book but to be honest it one of the stories I'm less familiar with I have read and have multiple copies of the books but most of the time I listen to the audio books when I'm commuting to work and this audio book I have never made it through her reading stile is patronising like shes reading to a child with a sing song cadence bit she cant pronounce half the names and it drives me nutty. I love the way you review
You're right - I listened to the audiobook - is yours also of really bad sound quality? It seems like everywhere only has bad quality versions of the first 6 books or so....
@@sorrelgilbertthegilbertpri7202 yes the first 2 are the worse but it does get better after book 7 I think it because the early ones were only recorded for cassette tape after that they started being recorded in CD quality
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