Adam Johnson Dies After Skate Cuts Neck in Horrific Accident - Doctor Reacts
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- Adam Johnson tragically passed away after a skate blade struck his neck. My candid thoughts on player safety and some data on neck guards
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Since this isn't the first time this injury has happened it's surprising protection of the neck isn't mandatory.
It's the first time that happens with someone deliberately kicking the opponent's throat.
Because this isn't some fluke accident, he was deliberately kicked in the neck.
@@shnek5143that doesnt change the fact that it has accidentally happened with very similar results are you really saying that they shouldnt try to prevent this from happening again
Yeah not an accident. The fact that they don't make changes in hockey is crazy.
Those stupid ass guards weren't saving him from that
I manage pro shops and have worked in the ice hockey industry for over 10 years. Skates are actually cut into a U shape, so 2 edges, not 1 like a knife. The best neck guards are actually very thin, but the material is cut resistant and they stretch almost sticking to the blade instead of slicing from the blade. The most effective neck guards are the ones built into the undershirt. They're the most comfortable, least obstructive, and also less likely to shift or move allowing a blade to get through anyway.
Also, lots of players get cut and actually some die nearly every year, only the professionals get the big media coverage though. It's actually a bigger problem than many think.
Getting cut in hockey from skate blades happens but is not a “bigger problem than many think.” Neck guards along with cut resistant fabric have come a long way in my nearly 40 years of skating and playing hockey. Injuries and getting hurt are going to happen but this incident was the perfect storm for tragedy.
*I’m not minimizing but rather trying to offer perspective.
@@2K9s It has such an easy solution though, no reason not to implement it. I have personally seen slit wrists, cut throat, and a slashed ankle all that needed emergency attention. I honestly don't know how the wrist guy lived, I swear their was more blood on the ice and benches than a person has in their body. It was spewing out like a movie.
@@TheGreatChrisBwherever you play they need to calm tf down then, the fact that this RARELY ever happens in the NHL, and hell it’s never happened in any of the leagues I’ve played/watched at home. I’m not saying that it’s a bad thing to get better padding, but injuries aren’t and shouldn’t be as frequent as your saying if everyone plays safely
@@TheGreatChrisB
Something doesn’t sound right if that’s a common occurrence. Either it’s an out of control beer league or something else, but it’s definitely not organized hockey.
@@2K9s I manage 2 pro shops so I'm in multiple rinks across a farely large area so I see a lot
As a lifelong hockey player (highest level was the USHL), I always wore/wear an Itech/Bauer full face shield and a CCM 600 neck guard. I saw a teammate get hit on the side of his neck with a skate (he received 10 stitches and was ok) and that was enough to scare me enough to take neck/face protection seriously. So sad to see Adam lost his life doing the sport he loved. RIP Adam Johnson #47 and thoughts and prayers go out to his family, teammates, friends, and fans.
Yep, took one stick my first year in beer league after I graduated college from just dumping the puck in and another guy ramping his stick up mine by accident trying to poke check me. Just missed my eye, was done trying to look cool with the visor and went back to full cage ever since.
The dude who did that kick had a surname called Petgrave you can't make it up
buddy played in the U show nice
Thank you for your personal story of awareness
Question, so people are saying this was not accedental. You played long enough to have "toe-picked." whenever it happened to me, the effected foot would fly back. Given this and that the other players leg did sort of lift his do you think the one player just toe-picked??
I just watched the video. I hate to say it but this was deliberate! The other skater lifted his leg before there was even any contact! That’s the dirtiest thing I’ve seen almost ever, dude should go to jail! Can’t believe what I just watched!
I have no idea how you think that it was deliberate. He caught an edge with his state and was totally out of control.
How much hockey do you actually watch?
there is a video of him doing something similar in the past, except that deliberate kick was not as high and only sent the other playing flying. i cannot believe posters in here acting like this was an accident it does not even remotely look like an accident! he literally jumps up off the ice and does a kung fu style kick to the mans face, disgusting savage behavior,
@@Spanner249 serious question: are you legally blind? Or just VERY slow? The guy had done similar things in the past (not cause someone to die but he has been violent towards other players aswell) and it's VERY clear when you watch the video that he did it on purpose. Like I said, you have to be either legally blind or not very smart to not see that, it's very obvious to everyone else 🤷🏻♀️
RIP Adam Johnson🙏🏼
NOT the grapey footballer, shame on Sun for sharing that clip of a dude with the same name
It's truly remarkable how up to date you are on anything related to sports injuries
Clearly Mu Rder not an Accident.
The NHL mandated all players to wear visors/ eye protection in 2013 as part of the new CBA. Any players playing before that didn’t have to if they didn’t want to as they were grandfathered in. Today I wanna say there’s like 5-7 active players that don’t wear eye protection. So yes it is mandated for almost all players. I expect neck guards to be the same situation, where in the next few years it’ll be mandatory for all incoming players, and the players that are currently active don’t have to if they don’t want to, but it’ll be strongly encouraged
I remember the same rule being applied to helmet usage. Eventually only one player was left who was grandfathered in. Hard to believe some would choose NOT to wear a helmet.
It will be important to impalmet it soon as more and more leagues bellow the NHL are mandating them
It's gonna be mandatory now. Dude was only 29 he had his life ahead.
I'm sorry, but neck guards will be strongly encouraged? They should also strongly encourage helmets, face shields and knee pads.
MANSLAUGHTER
I knew Adams older brother did not know Adam that much it’s shocking to me this happened he was very young my condolences go out to his friends and family.
snitches get stitches #nhl
I appreciate you Doc getting thru and explaining this guy's tragic accident, without showing any video of it. It's sensitive as it is, its even better when you can explain without going thru the motions of video, and you did that very well with even some comparison pics of players who have been thru this similar situation. It shows not only modesty, but also respect to the community who follow you, so thanks again.
Great conversation, as always, around this tragedy Dr Sutterer. Growing up playing hockey, neck guard use was supposed to be mandatory, but wasn’t heavily enforced. This obviously sheds light on their importance and I hope they will become adopted at the highest levels of play.
Don't be saying it was an "accident" when there is an ongoing investigation. If you know anything about hockey you know that was intentional to injure, also, Matt, the killer, is the leader in penalty points, what a coincidence huh?
Disgusting that the media keeps propagating a lie as a fact despite knowing 0 about the sport.
BRUH THIS WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT WATCH IT CLOSE. HE LIFTED HIS LEG ON PURPOSE.
Zednek's situation was very different than Petrade's. Zed didn't know there was a player behind him. Johnson was in Petgrade's view.
stop ruining the narrative.
Crazy how sharp those skates are, how more people are not injured is almost a mystery
They have two sharp edges about 1/8th of an inch apart. It is common for the edges to cut into skates, hockey socks, stick tape/stick blades. It is rare for skates to come up above the pant (which has a high denier shell). Even if the blades do come up and hit the relatively unprotected abdomen/just below the rib cage, the cuts are normally not all that deep.
This is the most traumatizing thing I’ve seen in all my years watching sports.
Oh god. Yeah, it's right up there in the top 5 worst. Kevin Ware's compound-fracture (DON'T GOOGLE IT!) on basketball court... Racehorse Ruffian's breakdown...Le Mons crash decapitating the crowd...Reno Air Races crash into crowd...and the mid-air collisions...
Whew.. im glad i avoided seeing it :(
You are not being honest about the discussion if you wanna completely avoid the possibility of the hitter intentionally kicking him to hurt him. WHY are you raising your leg like you bout to do a side kick like an mma fighter or Shawn Michaels when you know about the blades. he was NOT out of balance, he raised the leg first.
I base my conclusion on video evidence: intentional act
Definitely NOT AN ACCIDENT !
This wasnt an accident. He kicked Adam in the neck intentionally.
@@49ersfan834 wow, imagine watching the video pixel by pixel, and have a guess why this content creator didn't show first 2 seconds of the incident. i wonder why he didn't show ''the hit'', which was a '''i have to stop this opposing player, let me raise me left leg''.
Thank you. Blatantly obvious it was purposeful.
This is the perfect video for this topic. Smallest addition I wish you had (that I think you alluded to), was how something like a stick striking the neck could lead to blunt force trauma, of bone and also blood vessels, as you showed in a previous video regarding the player who died after getting hit by a puck to the temporal part of the skull
absolutely horrifying to even think of this , rest in peace , an absolute nightmare for everyone there , especially his family...
I practice martial arts. For this kick to intentionally strike the neck of a man in motion would be a feat. For the kicker to have to focus on the play, the puck, the fact that he was just knocked out off balance would make an “intentional” accurate kick to the neck, missing padding and protection, an extremely low probability kick, and an absolute miracle.
I've heard from quite a lot of martial arts guys and you are the only one who doesn't think it's intentional
Why would his own teammate try to injure him?
Looked like the guy kicked him up that high on purpose.
This was no accident. The guy clearly tried and want to kick him. Watch the video. The guy should be jailed.
The more I see the replay the more I think it was intentional
Did you see the video of Petgrave doing the same leg swing move in a different game?
@@rxw5520 No. Damning evidence if it exists
Appreciate a video talking about equipment. I’m a hockey player, and this has helped me inform my decisions as I consider neck guards. Also looking at cut-resistance wrist guards as well.
He deliberately kicked the guy.
@@DiddyKattcorrect 💯
Could be wrong, but if someone went out of their way to kick you in the neck, would that really be an accident….?…..or are the results of a purposeful kick an accident?
The age for contact hockey has been rising year after year. When I was young we were taught how to properly give and take a hit at around age 12. My fear is that with kids not getting into hitting until ~16 it has the effect of them being a lot faster and stronger while trying to learn proper technique. I would think this would lead to less injuries for 16. I am curious to hear your opinion on the matter.
this was the case in British Columbia no hitting till like batams yet they would still play our alberta teams who would be hitting way earlier and yea we injured alot of there player just cause they didnt kno how to take a hit basic hits too, kids should be taught at 9-10 how to hit and take hits the longer u wait the more risk u have when kids get big quick and start throwing around there weight and just destroy smaller kids cause i seen it first hand , even in bantams and midgets the BC TEAMS WOULD JUST BE GETTING CREAMED AND LAYED OUT AND WOULD NOT EVEN BE bracing for the falls ,i remember in one tourny a bc team dropped out after one game cause they couldnt handle the hitting
CTE my guy, the less hits that accumulate in an atheletes life the better
@@zoulzopan
There doesn’t need to be a “hit” to induce transient disturbance of brain function, my guy.
@@2K9s hits, impact wtv you want to call it. The less of those the healthier the athlete.
It’s a tough call. I have so much brain damage from all the concussions I got at a young age.
You said it best, you need the people in the NHL to start using it. Reminds me a lot of baseball in regards to the C-Flap on helmets. No one really wore them until Trout, Ohtani, Harper, etc. all started wearing them. Same with elbow guards. At the end of the day, if kids see their idols wearing something, they'll want to wear it too.
It's just weird to me that it's required all the way through high school and then people just stop and say they hate the neck guard. The first time I played without one it felt weird.
@@EricBurns1 I'm not a hockey player myself (hence the baseball reference) but I get what you are saying. I could only hope that players get so used to having a guard throughout their youth/High School that they just become used to it.
@@Justin-xo8dd That's what I hope for too but sadly people are stubborn.
Thats the issue with skateboarding. All the elite skate idols, even skaters in the olympics dont wesr helmets, its seen as lame and uncool, so obviously kids and teens dont wanna wesr them either.
Half the activity of skateboarding is how cool you look whilst skating, everyones kind of a narcissistic poser
They were made mandatory in my home area of Lewiston/Auburn Maine hockey after an old teammate of mine got caught at public skating by a figure skater and she slit his throat, causing him to get over 200 stitches on his neck. It was the craziest thing I’ve seen. This happened a long long time ago and I am still pretty confident it’s mandatory with USA Hockey. I could be wrong though.
I was at an Orlando Solar Bears game when a player lost an eye in the 90s. It was shocking. He was injured very badly AND lost his eye. I love hockey and they really need much more safety.
If the NHL does implement a mandate for neck guards, it'll very likely be the same as the situation you discussed with helmet visors. The league will make it mandatory for all new players going forward, so next year's rookie class and on. The rest of the players will be grandfathered in, and won't forced to make the change
Exactly Like Clint Malarchuk Rip Adam Johnson this is the worst sports injury of all time.
No, it isn't, sadly. Gernot Reinstadler had it far worse.
lemme see@@frossbog
Oof his leg rip@@frossbog
Agree on Reinstadler, but Wouter Weylandt’s crash comes close and also don’t forget that motorsports are considered as sport as well and there you can see that sadly some more demolishing impacts happened during races.
@@frossbogAnd I trump you with some truly horrifying racing accidents. The one that sticks with me is the stock car with the overly weak roof, and the car flipped. They found the driver. And more of the driver. And more of the driver. And more of the driver...
It's similar to what happened in the 90s when helmets were mandatory after a certain year, since most of the veterans played without a helmet. It'll take time to implement it properly, which is unfortunate for timing, but hopefully as you said it'll be a positive outcome to better protect players.
Always hoping for more hockey content--especially because of the variety of injuries and causes in the sport--but man, usually it's the really unusual cases we ultimately see. This isn't the only death in recent years, kid taking that puck to the side of the head a while back was equally surprising & sad. The safety equipment you use is extremely important in hockey.
Rest In Peace. Very tough situation
Saw the video and contact absolutely looked intentional as far as slowing him down. I’m not saying the skate to the neck was intentional, nor do I think he intended to kill Johnson, but you’re taught in hockey to never bring your skate anywhere near that far up, especially when falling. Sadly it had deadly consequences.
Had to edit this AGAIN for clarity because some idiots still think I’m saying the skate to the neck was intentional.
He lost his edge this happened to jack Hughes last year in the playoffs
Nah man it was a really unfortunate accident.
To jump to conclusions to say that Petgrave was trying to kill/seriously injure with a skate at that level of malice here isn't a reasonable assumption people should be making. Straight up tired of everything being a conspiracy theory to intentionally harm/kill people. His skate shouldn't have been that high but Acting like Petgrave was targeting the other player specifically at the neck is absurd, he might've thrown his leg up to try and interfere or physically disrupt the players motion but maybe instead of jumping to conclusions, the player should be interviewed and the people in and around the incident should be talked to about what they say before people throw out conspiracy theories. Don't wanna hear the argument about how Petgrave had high penalty minutes in that league either to try and say he wanted to murder the guy, its classic character assassination to try and paint him as morally dubious when people dont even know the man personally or talk to people who knew him.
It wasn't intentional. Stop.
@@SuperRavensfan101 notice how I didn’t say he tried to intentionally hurt or kill him. Read my comment in its entirety before responding.
As a goalie the biggest issue with neck guards for me was the amount of heat that gets trapped in the chest protector, and the restricted breathing
Most goalie neck guards also build in protection for the clavicles as well. The heat is going to get caught in the chest/arm protector regardless.
Interesting how you've concluded that it was accidental with no investigation whatsoever. If someone shot a basketball and the ball bounced off the rim, hit someone in the head and somehow put them in a coma, I'd understand immediately calling it accidental. I would wait for an investigation after seeing someone with a history of bad behavior deliver sweet chin music to someone with an ice skate.
I didn't catch him say this was accidental. Perhaps I missed it
@@BobbySacamano It's in the title of the video.
Unfortunate circumstances, but thank you for providing us with this info and always being so professional Brian
It was intentional. Murder not an accident
@@woahblackbetty7691You're making these incredibly serious accusations based on a grainy video where it looks like the teammate of Adam bumps the opposing player slightly off balance? How do you keep your balance on the ice if you get bumped in the left shoulder? You tilt your weight to your right leg which at higher speed can cause you to lift the left leg as a result. I can't sit and any what wasn't or was intentional but as a former hockey player there would have to be some rock solid proof to conclude a player intentionally cut another player with his skate.
@@kristofferlodesjo5781 There is another video where it shows the attack clear as day. He had a history of misconduct and poor behavior. Only getting away with it because hes black probably
@@woahblackbetty7691 I thought that game only had 1 feed? That player had one other incident which was a blind side hit in the slot.
@@woahblackbetty7691stop with bringing fucking race into it
I've studied 8 martial arts and it is clear as day that this was intentional. He took a side kick stance and purposely kicked the guy.
100% agree
Canadian here. I was required to wear a neck guard for my whole career. This was over 20 years ago. I wore it from age six. It was mandatory until 16.
I ditched it after that for range of motion reasons. I played high level amateur low level pro.
Glad you're ok.
this is was no accident this was totally deliberate. he jumps up off the ice and does a kung fu kick towards the man! watch the video in slow motion. he needs to be arrested!
Wish Doc did more hockey vids! Great breakdown as always so sad this happened
Titanium chain mail for a neck guard, that would look pretty cool like a medieval warrior!
I’ve played hockey and maybe it’s subjective experience, but neck guards have zero affect on cervical mobility, there is no sort of reduced motion. No reason it can’t be instituted as mandatory, face guards can make it harder to see which why some players are against it but I don’t see that same sort of reasoning applying to neck guards
Good to know, thanks
Same here. I even have a thicker neck guard and have no problem with it. Just don't wear it too tight and you're fine.
@@BrianSuttererMDyeah the only reason why most dudes don’t wear them is just cuz it’s a bit comfortable/itchy
I've never seen a skate going above the waist with that intensity.
Unless it’s on purpose
@@Thurmanatr16
And people are denying this rather than face a harsh truth about Petgrave.
What's crazy to me is there were NHL players playing without helmets up until the early to mid 90's. And in fact, the NHL repealed the mandatory helmet rule for a year or two in the 90's.
What's interesting is what an old time player said about helmets making the sport LESS safe. When there were no helmets, you would never see a stick come up high. But once helmets started becoming a thing, he started seeing way more high sticks. I'm paraphrasing what he said. I don't have the stats or know the numbers on puck injuries vs stick injuries, but I think it is quite interesting that you are just swapping out one risk for another risk.
Kind of reminds me of fighters who say bare knuckle fighting is actually less dangerous as most guy pull some punches so as to not injure their knuckles. In turn, guys getting hit arent getting hit as hard. But once the MMA gloves came in, you started getting more knockouts and more injuries as guys weren't holding bavk on their punches anymore.
What we have to remember is that these are contact sports. You can do everything to minimize injuries, but they will always happen. I personally think this was an intentional move to injure that resulted in a death and not so much just a 'freak accident'. But accidents do still happen.
I am not a hockey fan, but this is still helpful information. I appreciate the skill and risks athletes take to perform this sport. Thank you Doctor.
Love all the desperate comments from people trying to suggest that thinking this was anything other than an accident, from dirtiest player in the league, is prosperous.
It was an accident. Dingus
@@jeffvoss5723 Name-calling doesn't add credibility to your argument. You have no idea whether it was an accident, and he has no idea whether it was intentional. We may or may not learn the truth after an investigation.
So you think just because someone lead in penalty minutes means they intentionally kicked a player in the neck? That doesn’t make much sense and it’s easy to tell you’ve never played hockey lmfao
Matt did the attack on purpose. He may not have intended to kill him but he instigated the crash and therefore is guilty of manslaughter.
I saw the video of the accident on the internet, he had his neck slashed and bleedout quick. It was gushing out like crazy and they couldn't stop him from dying from the large amount of blood he lost.
I was a little worried to click on this video. I shouldn't have been. I should have known you'd make a respectful, classy, and poignant case for safety. Well done.
“Accidental” kick to the neck with a fully extended leg, unabated, towards the victim….
Look up Rick Nash kicking Erik Johnson. This sort of thing can happen when you lose an edge when skating.
I saw the video and Adam Johnson was murdered, I don't think the nhl is going to look at it and say players need to start wearing it, maybe like you said at lower levels but not in the nhl
Holy shit , thanks for posting news so soon
looking forward to the updates!! this was intense!!
This is no accident this guy used his skate as a weapon he new exactly what he was doing with his body. Accident or not he should be put away until a full investigation takes place. Hockey is hits, body checks yes, not full upper kicks to the neck. R.I.P Adam Johnson. prayers for the family Hopefully justice will be served. This is manslaughter in my opinion lets not use they should off had neck guards as an excuse this has nothing to do with the equipment. This is manslaughter the history in hockey will tell . Nothing ever has happened like this nobody has gotten killed injured yes. So this is not common which says this guy used his skate as a weapon and killed a person. This guy did a full upper kick and should be charged.
I've watched it over and over, and it doesn't look like an accident at all.
Not at all
How much hockey do you watch?
it absolutely wasn't
To be honest, it looked intentional or at least extremely wreckless what Matt Petgrave did. Many are calling for him to be criminally prosecuted.
He should be, it was an intentional high kick
Well done, Doc.
This wasn't an accident like the other time. This wasn't an incident where people were on the ground stumbling over each other he skated towards him at full speed lifted his leg and kicked him in the face. Maybe he didn't mean to kill him but he definitely did it on purpose and now to avoid being honest about what happened we're all going to overreact and change all of hockey rather than charge this individual. Even if it was an accident you have two instances in an entire century that's a freak occurrence. Not something you change the rules over
I honestly feel like Petgrave skate-kicked him in the throat on purpose, he made that split second decision! Its clear on the video. He literally side/back kicked up his leg into the other players throat while he was in contact with the first player he hit/checked.
That dude straight murdered Adam Johnson..
Do you have a link to the journal article? I'd love to read it in detail
I was playing AAA years when a huge crappy bully I hip checked into another dimension,me falling with him, looking me in the eyes he kicked me in the throat. A neck guard saved my life.
I have played in league hockey since 1st grade. I’m 63. This looked intentional. Do I think he tried to kill him.., no. Do I think he tried to “kick” him in the head.., ABSOLUTELY..!
the jump and his hand on the other player clued me that it was intentional. I haven't played Ice hockey but i been skating since the early 1980's
Bro bs I played hockey from 3 years old till now at 22 years old that move dude made wasn’t accidental there was no reason for him to move his direction with pushing his foot up in a forward motion
Kinda surprises me that we don't have an under armor shirt made of the material cut proof gloves are made of.
You think a material neck gaurd would of stopped that kick he got in the throat, maybe a small slice, but he kicked Adam's neck like a mare.
Petgrave kicked him with some force. Not an accident, it was horrific.
Other people have probably already said this, but the NHL did mandate visors in 2013* but some players who played a certain number of games before the mandate were exempt from the change
Growing up in Canada neck protectors were mandatory, if you forgot to pack one and if a teammate didn't have an extra you weren't allowed to play
Wish there were more studies on the effects of decreased cervical range of motion in hockey, especially at a professional level. I feel there will be a ton of hesitancy especially when the argument can easily be: my performance will be hindered significantly if I can’t look all around me. Idk I guess that’s for the bioengineers to think about
I am going to go insane if I see another video in Adams death that calls this an “accident”
Matt petgrave has a really long history of bad behavior in the league. If i were a family member id sue that mf and the league and press for a murder trial this was not an accident and we need to stop allowing this brutality.
Visors are mandated for new players in the NHL with new players. Non-visor wearing players must have played at least 25 games prior to 2013.
We saw the same thing when it came to helmets being mandated by the league (the last non-helmet wearing player was in 1997. Not as long ago as one may think). That rule was grandfathered in to the NHL.
I genuinely think we will get something in the off-season in the NHL that makes it mandatory for new players to wear neck guards. Grandfathered in like visors and helmets. What I think will be different in this adaptation from players is 1) the player didn’t survive this injury and 2) this player played with current NHLers that are still in the league today.
I get it may be pie in the sky thinking and maybe I’m wrong (I hope I’m not). I think it’s worth the investment but there is so much more to just implementing it.
i kno after zednik a company made a balaclava neck guard made of kevlar like a mask with the face exposed but covered all the way down to ur collorbone and couldnt be cut with a skate blade at all no force cut threw it
My son will never step on the ice without a neck guard. Ever. They need to be mandated.
It’s a rare incident, regardless. Same as being hit in the eye or nose…
I saw a goalie get his neck cut in a senior A game, it was horrible, but he survived, he kept playing until he lost an eye to to a stick in the eye.
It’s 100% intentional! No questions, no debate. It’s murder!
Would this slice to his neck hurt like hell or does adrenaline reduce it a lot. I’ve been curious if this was extremely painful or something else because one time I got half my toe basically ripped off and I didn’t even know until later because of adrenaline.
I still don’t know why neck guards aren’t mandatory in higher level hockey. They were mandated growing up when I was 15 and under but high school I didn’t wear a neckgaurd or mouth guard
Would a kevlar or ANSI A9 cut resistant type balaclava work? It wouldnt be restrictive like hard protection, but prevents slicing injuries
You can make the negative-performance-impact argument about every protector in every sport. And in a sport like ice hockey, where they're already covered from head to toe, a neck guard is a drop in the ocean.
The helmet manufacturer that starts implementing a neck guard into their youth products may well get some love and support here. If it's made an integral part of the helmet then it has the ease of being incorporated in existing rulesets; change what "a helmet" is defined as and we have another area to plaster sponsors on for the teams.
I'm all for neck protection, even the smallest amount of neck protection could save someone's life. They could implement technology by adding cameras or mirrors inside of visors to assist with limited head movement that comes with bulky neck protectors. The tech would offset the limited range of head motion; Actually, someone could make a lot of money developing helmets with mirrors or cameras and super lightweight but durable neckguards.
I can’t even imagine going that way. I cannot think of a worst way of going. I feel horrible for the family, his teammates, and the fans who had to witness. Client Malarchuk the Sabres goalie who survived from the same horrific injury, has PTSD after witnessing the same injury from another hockey player. I feel faint for just imaging it.
I don’t watch hockey that much, so I feel my opinion should weigh less on the neck guards. I do feel like it would be useful in preventing this type of neck injuries.
Being burned alive?
@@josemv25 besides that, I’ve heard that is extremely painful. But I just think a neck cut is more gruesome
@@josemv25 Your nerves burn so at first it'd be painful but afterwards not so much
NHLers won’t even wear the socks with Kevlar designed to protect the Achilles that apparently feel comfortable. I was a goalie and played junior. I felt naked without a neck guard in games. The moment it was a skating drill in practice though, I’d take it off. They were so hot. It’d be like making a tennis player wear pants and a hoodie. I’ve watched the video a million times. No one is trying to kill anyone out there but I can’t for the life of me figure out what caused his skate to go up and out like that. Your video is amazing. So thorough, thoughtful and accurate.
Prayers to his friends, family and league mates.
The less head mobility thing could be a problem as he said. With the violent body checks at the NHL level would be much easier to blindside a player and cause injuries. The eye protection thing though is different. Putting a piece of Perspex in front of someone's eye really make no difference to their vision.
There's a difference between making contact with somebody's throat with your skate while flailing around in an incident. Such is the case with the one player that got struck in the throat by another of his own players. Here's the 12,000 lb gorilla in the room. I just watched that video of the incident that we're talking about. Player that hit him in the throat intentionally raised his foot at his head I don't think he intended to strike him in the throat but he intended to raise his foot to affect Adam Johnson. You don't believe me, I've been studying altercations both in Sports and physical attacks for a number of decades now. This was an intentional Act. He was looking at him as he raised his leg to place a dangerous object as the leading edge of his contact with Adam Johnson.
You don't need to add neck protection to anybody but the goaltenders, the goaltenders could use neck protection. But in the case where this man intentionally raised his leg to affect another player, he should be banned from hockey just for lifting his leg. The fact that he made contact he should be charged with second-degree murder. And he might get away with manslaughter.
Normally, I would never agree that law enforcement has any place in this or the courts have any place inside of a sporting game. But this is the most egregious contact from one player to another I have ever witnessed considering the leading contact was done with a clearly deadly part of his equipment.
Theres not a doubt in my mind that it was intentional. No professional hockey player is so bad on their skates that they accelerate toward an opposing player with their skate pointed at neck level. It is clear as day that he intended to make contact with Adam.
Not just banned, this was manslaughter. He needs to be locked up
Im almost 60 and have been a hockey fan since I was a child. Watching that particular play it looks as if the guy launched a flying ninja kick to the guys throat. I was shocked when I saw it, believing it was a freak accident in a pileup or something. There is zero doubt in my mind that was an intentional act. I'm shocked that no one else mentioned this.
Sutter's analysis here is wrong This incident was involuntary manslaughter There is no way anyone can fairly justify Petgrave raising his leg as high as he did. Petgrave didn't raise his skate as high as he did because he was suddenly and unexpectedly thrown off balance by a preceding impact. Playback of the incident suggests that Petgrave deliberately raised his leg high above the ice to strike Johnson's body and thereby to impede or disrupt Johnson's forward progress. It is very unlikely that Petgrave intended to kill Johnson So the incident was most likely not a case of voluntary manslaughter. But Petgrave was extremely reckless in kicking upward as high as he did To do so he had to deftly balance his entire weight on one skate as he tracked tracking toward Johnson on the ice In hockey one can potentially kill an opponent by inflicting a blow to the head or to the throat with either a fist, a stick, or a skate. Blows to an opponent's head or throat with a fist or a stick are fairly common. Blows to an opponent's neck or head with a skate very rarely occur because skates very rarely get up to the normal height of an opponent's neck or head That fact alone should cause everyone to question whether Petgrave deliberately and recklessly raised his leg to strike Johnson up high. Playback of the incident discloses no reasonable explanation which we might attribute for Petgrave raising his leg as high as he did He was skating in a balanced and controlled manner as he raised his leg in an exceedingly dangerous fashion
Gotta be honest.I click the video to get a honest report on this tragic fatal accident.As this social media doctor as a professional i believe that's what's expected.Not a tutorial on safety gear,or an emotional epiphany.
My condolences to Adam Johnson...
Watching the video multiple times, it appears it was a deliberate act. Prayers for his family.
Exactly!!
100%
You're joking, right? In what universe is a player falling down, looking the other way while his TEAMMATE skates into the skate, is the act deliberate on the part of the player falling down?
@@barrsteve7347You'd be surprised how many people think it's deliberate. There's a collision between Petgrave and the other Nottingham forward that knocks Petgrave off his skates as Johnson is crossing behind them. He isn't deliberately kicking his skate that high up toward Johnson's neck; he gets knocked over beforehand. No intent or negligence whatsoever. It simply happens at the speed of play, but I guarantee there will be people shitting on me for defending him.
Great video on a very tough situation. Neck guards seem like a pretty simple yet effective (data driven) way to reduce chances of catastrophic injuries. Hopefully some reasonable changes can be made as a result of this horrible event.
We used neck/throat protectors already when I was a kid in 1988, just in case of freak accident's. But most of us didn't like to wear them,as they we're really itchy and thicker back then,and it felt like playing with a dog collar on. Good to see the materials they make these have evolved and these are thin and non constricting.
The other player deliberately raised his leg... This wasn't an "accident".
Visors are already required except for those who were playing before they became mandated. Fewer every year continue to play without. Even Ryan O'Reilly said he's considering it now but hasn't started yet.
Matt Petgrave intentionally lifted his skate up to kick him
I wonder why all media outlets characterized it as an accident within hours of it happening and before any real investigation.🤔
@@michaelthomas1923 - The fake news media didn't want their token black hockey player accused of a crime and possible imprisonment. Enforcers are on the ice to disrupt and cause harm or damage to the opponents. Matt Petgrave did just that with an intentional kick to harm but not to kill. Foolishly swinging a knife at another's face just might do that though.
i am astounded that anyone can look at that video in slow motion at least and remotely think this was accident! he more than lifted his skate, watch it close, he actually jumps up off the ice to do that high kick.
So doing a side kick to the neck is accidental???
Haven’t seen the video, did Johnson wear neck guard?
Just a clarification on eye protection in the NHL: ALL new players (as of the '13/'14 season must wear a half shield. The only players that are exempt from this is those still playing before that timeframe who do not want to.
Petgrave knew he was going to miss the check and was upset and decided to stick his leg out as high as he could to catch any of Johnson
That's stupid. if that were the case, he would've done that before. In addition, we've seen players lose an edge at open ice and go airborne before
Yea, this wasn't an accident. He lifted up is foot while skating by him and kicked him the throat.