a note for the next video, is that you can use the e60 m5 driveline and a manual 3.08 diff because its close enough to the 3.15 needed for the 8hp trans. the driveline fits with little modification and its all bmw parts. i have a friend whos got 8hp70 behind a 800hp 2jz and its holding just fine bone stock. i would bet money you could get away with a stock 8hp70, and then find the limits of the stock clutches in the n54 platform, swap the clutches and be good for 1000hp. the ONLY reason i did the full stage 2 billet internals , baskets, cog drives etc etc is because when i blow this n54 up, i wanted it to be ready for a 1500whp engine swap. if you dont plan on pushing more than 800ft lbs of torque through it, stock 8hp70 will live long enough for you to crush a shit ton of n54 records lol.
@@ZeroTo60Tube if you have 8.8 rear, the 8hp70 with the 3.31 mustang ring gear is identical to the a90 8hp50 with 3.15 oem diff. thats a good place to start i would say because they ran 8s on the stock rear diff lol
our 8hp45 has been used and abused daily for over a year without issue. It's being run on a 650-680whp N54 in an e92, the xDrive variant. Clutch pressures and Charge times have not changed at all! mine you, we're using the CanTCU with high torque reduction, easier shifting, less load on clutches and all-around quicker shifts. We've been VERY impressed, I'm about to install another 8hp45 into my 135i aiming for 700whp+!
Definitely something affordable would be ideal. I think once you guys crack this, the swap will be accessible to a lot of people and I for one am really looking forward to having one behind my N54. On the other hand, it'd be really cool to go the 70 route just to see how far you can push the platform with such a beast of a box attached to it. Decisions, decisions.
My buddy is building his b58 from the bottom to top end to make 1200hp. As for the transmission, he's leaving it stock, the zf8 in the b58 lasts anywhere 650-700 pretty well. Depending on your torque limits using Xhp, it will depend the longevity with the actual gearbox. Pure makes a stage 1 rated for i think 800 hp? and the stage 2 for 1000 , take it with a grain of salt.
I think most are already afraid of the cost. There has to be a way to run the 8hp45 without the $4000 controller, that would be the holy grail. I can't believe that someone like Xhp who has lots of experience in both can't work out the coding. I also think the 8hp70 box is going to be tough to find for anyone in the states, not a lot of diesels here, and not a lot of them dying an early death in the junkyard. The 8HP is a better transmission, comparing my n54 6hp, my n55 6hp (both tuned) to a family members stock n55 8hp, the 8 shifts and drives better. That all being said you didn't actually break the 6hp even with all that power, you simply drove through the clutches, that could be fixed with better frictions. IDK it's all interesting but I think keeping it as cheap as possible will ultimately benefit the most who may be watching this. I say if the purpose of this is information and research change your path and start with the 8hp45 in the flomax car. Hell put the 8hp70 in Oreally and see what happens.
Not gonna lie. My 335 is manual kuz i wanted a manual in my fun car and the 325 daily gets the auto. But yall makin me rethink decisions with all this dct swapping and other trans tuning to "basically" be like a dct. Youre getting some speed while im over here rowing gears 😂. But ey its still fun, cheers to the progress buds keep kicking ass
Great video on explaining the differences between the 8HP70 and 45. Looking at Wikipedia, the 8HP70 and 45 have the same gear ratios but are different to the gear ratios in the 8HP75 and 50 which are the same. As a result, the diff ratios vary with 3.3 for the 8HP70/45 and 3.46 for the 8HP75/50 which matches the 335i diff ratio. A 8HP75 would be ideal but I would imagine they are like hen's teeth to find and would cost heaps of cash to purchase.
I should have had a look on availability. I see on ebay that there are a couple of 8HP75s out of 5 & 7 series diesels in Victoria for sale for $4,000 each. Clean looking units. Depending on how much the remainder of parts cost for the install, it may work out cheaper or similar to the cost of the Nizpro 6HP21.
We have a driver in our drift championship that drove a 8hp70 for this season, no problems, plugged into a turbo N62B44 running 920wph and 1150wNm. They seem quite stout boxes.
8hp45re in the jeep grand Cherokee 3.6petrol. Sprintex supercharger fitted at 300bhp is pushing it with the weight my tuner recons We have 10,000km and still going strong as my wife’s daily. The torque converter is starting to feel a bit lazy. Have thought of going to the 70 but couldn’t find anything until now turbo lamik might be the go Cheers for the great content
I got a 8HP in a f30 and at 580 torque I cannot go into 6th gear at full throttle I have to let off and then get back on it. I don’t recommend a trans tune for this transmission
8HP50 is pretty well known to be able to hold about 600-650ftlb / 810-880nm fairly reliably. Go over that and they pop, but torque is the killer. 8HP45 i would imagine would be fairly similar, maybe a touch lower. 8HP70 supposed to be good for ~1000nm. 50's shift a bit faster though (than 70s)
@@ZeroTo60Tube he would have loved that one . Time he steps up and gets a big boost kit haha. I’m soon to get my shuenk N55+ turbo set up. No 800hp but hope for a health 550hp once completed
What sort of 100-200 times are coming from those big boost cars? I remember seeing a quick one on rk tunes back in the day. N55 have plenty of potential, just wish more people pushed them a little more.
A lot of bmw 340i b58 guys swap out their 8hp45 for the 8hp70. I know of one guy in the netherlands that runs a pure800 turbo and makes 600+ whp who broke his 8hp45 and changed it to the 8hp70 one.
look and compare how much wider box , cluch buckets bigger in diametre and i ques , its need less plates inside for more clamping force ,becouse its bigger disc inside. 8hp75 compare to stock almost twice biger and swaping to e92 barely fit in transmision tunel.
My M235 needed an HP70 for a 10.9 1/4 mile run on the stock turbo, HP45 was slipping. It should not be considered a long-term solution in my opinion. Look forward to the results!
Appreciate the info. Where you xdrive? Also what was the mph on the 10.9 pass trying to work out what sort of pwoer you are pushing. Regardless quick car to do a 10.9 congrats.
so that TURBO LAMIC controllers allow you to tune the trans also, so you need to tune shift points and line pressures. OR can you just request a tune from TURBO LAMIC?
Hi! I have an E93 335i N54 DCT. I'm planning of going with FBO, Fuel Pump Stage 2 and 19T, hoping to have around 600HP. Is DCT reliable with xHP stage 3?
I have a 335i f30 2012. Have done a few track days at qld raceway. Killed my clutch packs by 120km. 8hp45 does not like break boosting back to back runs.
Make sure you get your dwell settings right. I had to get workshop with a bmw scan tool to sort my rebuilt box. Talk to Craig at Western Suburbs Transmissions in Rocklea.
These ZF boxes are tough. Really tough. Got MHD stage 2+ and XHP on my ZF845 and it hasn’t missed a beat in 40k miles of tuned running. Don’t know if you’ve seen this video before but it’s shows the 45 box taking big power. th-cam.com/video/EP5OkrSveXA/w-d-xo.html
Lamik runs 8HP45 currently in his 3l Diesel 330d car and the gearbox will slip over 450Nm during gear changes. After engaging gears it's fine up to 800Nm. 8HP70 holds 700Nm during shifts and 90 holds 900Nm during shifts.
That's awesome ! N54gasm runs the diesel tranny too! He makes a lot of power! Enough to walk 2020 gt500s and now he's going with the biggest n54 twin turbos available I think they're like 5k or 10 for the kit, anyways, good on ya!!!
N54gasm does but his 100-200 times are still slower than we have ran on stock 6hp. He needs to step his game up hehe! I hope he sees this btw. Some sneaky encouragement, I wanna see him crack a 4 second 100-200 in a full weight e90 so we have something to chase.
@@ZeroTo60Tube definitely mate I agree !! He came into the n54 gang bushy tailed! I'm excited to see what you both acomplish in the next years ! Definitely my favorite TH-camrs ! Along with Alex the Russian! 😄😄
I think its possible using software from the e series Z4 that were fitting with a ZF8, but i dont know anyone that has successfully done the swap..... yet. I have seen a xdrive zf8 running in a 2006 3 series n54 on stock TCU, would drive in manual, but quite a few errors.
i was lucky enough to get a zf6hp19 so n the process of replacing it with a zf6hp28 with joshs adapter kit. reliable sure but the shifts in the zf8 look amazing
If this swap is possible with the stock transmission controller, I’d be interested in doing it to my N52 car. Early F10 528i came with N52 and 8HP45, would any other 8HP’s fit? Looking at the E89 models using the 8HP, they’re all N20 engined. Is the idea to flash the ZB from the E89, and use xHP or similar to make custom calibration and shift maps? Or can the firmware and calibrations be mix and match between E/F series 8HP cars? Finally, any info on the shifter? Does it need to be from F10, or can other shifters work? (eg E82 DCT shifter, F30) The electronic shifter base from E9x has a cable for parking lock. Is this not needed for the 8HP?
Just about to film a video on the concept. However it will likely need to be from an E series. Luckily BMW was great at using old electronics on the Z4 models. So there is an E series Z4 with ZF8.
My zf8hp70 in my 2015 Range Rover sport is heating up, I can feel it in my cabin next to my knee . I had the transmission filter and fluid changed but it didn’t help much. Do you know what could be the issue?
Your engine BHp/ and torque //rpm output will tell you which box to use as the ZF8HP45- 50 and ZF8HP70-75 have different ratings! MAN ALWAYS PUSHES THE LIMITS!!!! how hard are the ZF8HP90's to find in Australia? cheers
Now that you mentioned it, wonder if it would be cheaper to just build our current zf6 transmissions to hold higher hp. Issue would be it may not shift as fast as a zf8.
Usually the 6hp19z/21 upgrade path involves extra clutches in the packs, which will improve the shift speed. You will have to run xHP to take advantage, though. The higher number of clutches is the main reason the 8hp45 shifts quicker.
8hp70 is longer than the 45 when you bolt it to the engine and actually get it in the car. i mached up with a 45 and built the 75, when i put the 75 in i had to readjust the driveline lol.. if you use 8hp70 with a 20mm adapter plate you can also use an OEM e60 m5 driveline with the 3.08 manual n54 diff. the clutches are the same size there are just more of them in the 70, same size gears. the only difference is the gear ratios. the only 2 8hp with the same gear ratio is the 8hp75 and the 8hp55 in the A90 AND thats ONLY if the 8hp75 is final drive 3.31 and the 55 is 3.15.
@@Mp-jw1qg How about the 8hp70 in the Hybrid 5? I think the drive ratios there should be suitable for an N54, not sure about the diff, though. The Hybrid 5 runs a 2.93 - should be close enough to the 3.08 in the manual N54s.
I want to put a 8hp70 in a Mazda b4000 (Ford ranger third Gen) and wondering if you have any idea how I would control the tranny and the engine. Since I think the shifting has to be controlled by a computer but so does the timing right?
Hey mate, yes it’s not too bad. You need a 8hp shifter from a 5 series (they mount nicely in a n54), the full kit from lamik, a trans mission mount from a f30, the pcb board to modify the mechatronics and a 8hp70 box.
A lot of knowledge i havent spent enough time researching rebuilds and causes of failures on the zf6 due to hearing so many people not having luck with rebuilds.
Mate where can you find one for $1000 Everything im seeing on ebay around $3k Doing the same with a 8hp75 in a 2jz aristo ALso have heard you get slightly faster shifts in the 50/75 compared to the 45/70
Interesting that you've decided to put a diesel transmission into a petrol car, have you worked out the big difference between the two yet (besides the amount of torque they can handle), and the major issue you'll have to think about and overcome for longevity? The issue is the diesel motors are vertical, petrols are a slant. Compare the bellhousing bolt holes side by side (I can see them clear as day with the two in front of you in this video) and you'll see about a 15° difference between the two. Meaning the pickup for the trans fluid in the pan will never sit flat, fluid starvation and cavitation will be your enemy. Be prepared for a lot of modifications to make a diesel trans work well (and last) in a petrol BMW. There are ways around this issue, but I'd need to talk to you off camera to give you things to look at, as this has been a known issue for many, many years of modified BMW's. I did email you ages ago and said I'm more than happy to give you a call and let you know what I know to try and help out. There are a couple of different possible options depending on your budget. And, not everyone on TH-camwill tell you all their dirty little secrects on how they get things to work, or how much it actually cost (unlike you guys, who keep it real).
@@transporter_tv Yes, the 4cyl motors are a slant, it's the 6cyl motors only. If you look at the angle of the straight part on the bellhousings of both transmissions in the video, you'll see the difference - it's not huge, but noticeable if you look for it.
Hey Geordie, yeah all that is worked out. Like i mention Lamik has been doing this for nearly 5 years now. But the same situation with the Guruautoworks 6hp28 conversions that popped up last year.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I'm definitely interested to see how you do it, as it may give me more options to think about for the turbo M62 build. Anything is possible, the Guruautoworks kit basically is just sandwich plates to rotate the trans back to it's proper orientation, so that's not hard and eliminates one of the issues, it does create a few smaller issues but these are easily sorted. Just interested in how you're planning on going about it.
Can you retain AWD ? What would that entail. I have a doc race n55 feeling the tranny slipping a tad so I wanna know how I can retain awd with a better box to hold the power
I’d say for science do the cheaper one. But I think you’ll find yourself doing a swap to the beefier one. Don’t think it’ll take the abuse you wanna give it long term. Other terms you should tear down the cooked box also for science
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the reply. What would you recommend as the next step as in getting the 8hp 70 modified to take 1400hp. Am just in the process of building an e91 with a 6.0ls and 88mm turbo
We have, but it's a costly exercise and to be honest we do try and look at what will get the most interest on youtube. Generally its the straight line racing in the N54s. Would love a legit drift car one day. But it will likely be a more popular platform.
Awesome video. I have an 8hp75z in a 330e. Has electric motor instead of converter. Have vibration under load in 6th at 1800rpm to 2200rpm. Had the gearbox recon'd, new clutches seals and recon'd valvebody. The problem persists. Doubt you've ever seen it as these boxes are only starting to give trouble on the 100k mls plus cars but Any ideas?
Unfortunately they are something i know nothing about. Would love to hear if you do get to the bottom of it. I have seen pics of those boxes, what are they like to drive with out the converter?
IMHO the 8hp45 is not that significant of an upgrade over the standard 6hp21. The torque rating is the same from factory, yes the 8hp is faster and could theoretically hold more torque, but by how much. Again, IMHO, it is not worth dropping a functioning 6hp, in order to swap it to an 8hp45. If You have already broken a 6hp, then maybe it is worth investing in an 8hp45 over refurbishing/used 6hp. Then again, if You have already broken a 6hp21, You are most likely running torque figures at the 8hp45 limit, as well. Therefore, should You have the spare cash, just pull the trigger on the 8hp70/75. Did You look for an (Active) Hybrid 5, or are they not common in Australia? The reason I ask is because I know they run an N55 with the 8hp70, so it should be bolt on front-side. Plus, the ratios should be more in line with what a petrol car should run. If I were to do a swap, this would be the one I would look for, though Hybrid 5s are very rare finds in the junkyard.
I was thinking the same thing, until i saw that stock box in the kotte performance car. I have never seen a stock 6hp21 handle that power and shift like that.
Have you ordered yours yet? I saw you on the lamik forum and been stalking you on facebook too.... not weird tho right? On another note been watching your RX7 build for ages, love what you have created there!!!
@@ZeroTo60Tube haha really? I feel privaliged that you know who i am. Thank you man. well i was about to click the buy button but ive now to research more into transfer cases. apparently some can be weak?
I can't see a BMW one breaking in your car especially from an x5, but it might be a tight fit. However, instead of taking my uneducated opinion lol, I have a friend in the UK i can put you in contact with who knows Lamik really well, he has helped me sooo much. TBH speaking with lamik and the language barrier is a challenge. But this guy has helped me so much and he can call Mr Lamik himself for any tough questions. I will bet money lamik will have a solution or hardware setup to work for you reliably. Check your facebook stalker requests for Andrew A.......
@@ZeroTo60Tube . you know me man. Ill make the bitch fit. im not scared to take a grinder to the bastard haha. Ill accept you when i go for lunch. my work firewall is very strange with facebook and blocks allot. TL controler looks great for sure. Possibility of maxxecu controlling it too but ill have to do allot of development for that :)
you should definitely put the 8hp45/50 on the flow max car since there's no adapter plate needed and would be the go to for 80 percent of people who are going to do the swap like this. i would like to see the limitations of a 8hp45 i am sure it would get the flow max cars to deep 10s. Also you should do a n54 stock piston china rods real arp hardware and see if you could make a 10 335i for cheap just a thought.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I got my draggy but unfortunately I got hit by a mustang doing a roll race with him at 60mph. I will upload videos after all the insurance stuff is settled. The car can be fixed and no one was hurt. Im sure its high or mid 6s
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Just wanted to clarify, 8hp70 is going in the flow max car. But I want to play with and push the 8hp45 in something else.
this is the way!
a note for the next video, is that you can use the e60 m5 driveline and a manual 3.08 diff because its close enough to the 3.15 needed for the 8hp trans. the driveline fits with little modification and its all bmw parts. i have a friend whos got 8hp70 behind a 800hp 2jz and its holding just fine bone stock. i would bet money you could get away with a stock 8hp70, and then find the limits of the stock clutches in the n54 platform, swap the clutches and be good for 1000hp. the ONLY reason i did the full stage 2 billet internals , baskets, cog drives etc etc is because when i blow this n54 up, i wanted it to be ready for a 1500whp engine swap. if you dont plan on pushing more than 800ft lbs of torque through it, stock 8hp70 will live long enough for you to crush a shit ton of n54 records lol.
My thoughts exactly. I’m not decided on diff ratios yet. My 3.46 is gonna be short for the 8hp. But not chasing 300kmh so see how it feels.
@@ZeroTo60Tube if you have 8.8 rear, the 8hp70 with the 3.31 mustang ring gear is identical to the a90 8hp50 with 3.15 oem diff. thats a good place to start i would say because they ran 8s on the stock rear diff lol
Put the 45 in the 17T car!
our 8hp45 has been used and abused daily for over a year without issue. It's being run on a 650-680whp N54 in an e92, the xDrive variant. Clutch pressures and Charge times have not changed at all! mine you, we're using the CanTCU with high torque reduction, easier shifting, less load on clutches and all-around quicker shifts. We've been VERY impressed, I'm about to install another 8hp45 into my 135i aiming for 700whp+!
Definitely something affordable would be ideal. I think once you guys crack this, the swap will be accessible to a lot of people and I for one am really looking forward to having one behind my N54.
On the other hand, it'd be really cool to go the 70 route just to see how far you can push the platform with such a beast of a box attached to it.
Decisions, decisions.
My buddy is building his b58 from the bottom to top end to make 1200hp. As for the transmission, he's leaving it stock, the zf8 in the b58 lasts anywhere 650-700 pretty well. Depending on your torque limits using Xhp, it will depend the longevity with the actual gearbox. Pure makes a stage 1 rated for i think 800 hp? and the stage 2 for 1000 , take it with a grain of salt.
I haven't heard anyone causing damage in the 8hp. The most issues I've heard is tuning the factory TCU to not limit torque on gear changes
Thats what i heard. And the box basically trying to protect itself. However will be interesting to see what everyone has to say.
I think most are already afraid of the cost. There has to be a way to run the 8hp45 without the $4000 controller, that would be the holy grail. I can't believe that someone like Xhp who has lots of experience in both can't work out the coding. I also think the 8hp70 box is going to be tough to find for anyone in the states, not a lot of diesels here, and not a lot of them dying an early death in the junkyard. The 8HP is a better transmission, comparing my n54 6hp, my n55 6hp (both tuned) to a family members stock n55 8hp, the 8 shifts and drives better. That all being said you didn't actually break the 6hp even with all that power, you simply drove through the clutches, that could be fixed with better frictions. IDK it's all interesting but I think keeping it as cheap as possible will ultimately benefit the most who may be watching this. I say if the purpose of this is information and research change your path and start with the 8hp45 in the flomax car. Hell put the 8hp70 in Oreally and see what happens.
Not gonna lie. My 335 is manual kuz i wanted a manual in my fun car and the 325 daily gets the auto. But yall makin me rethink decisions with all this dct swapping and other trans tuning to "basically" be like a dct. Youre getting some speed while im over here rowing gears 😂. But ey its still fun, cheers to the progress buds keep kicking ass
Cheap trans option please then send it, see how long it lasts then upgrade!
I know quite a few 8hp70 cars running 1000hp and 1000nm for last summer with launches on slicks and vht. They seem to cope quite well with abuse.
Great video on explaining the differences between the 8HP70 and 45. Looking at Wikipedia, the 8HP70 and 45 have the same gear ratios but are different to the gear ratios in the 8HP75 and 50 which are the same. As a result, the diff ratios vary with 3.3 for the 8HP70/45 and 3.46 for the 8HP75/50 which matches the 335i diff ratio. A 8HP75 would be ideal but I would imagine they are like hen's teeth to find and would cost heaps of cash to purchase.
I should have had a look on availability. I see on ebay that there are a couple of 8HP75s out of 5 & 7 series diesels in Victoria for sale for $4,000 each. Clean looking units. Depending on how much the remainder of parts cost for the install, it may work out cheaper or similar to the cost of the Nizpro 6HP21.
We have a driver in our drift championship that drove a 8hp70 for this season, no problems, plugged into a turbo N62B44 running 920wph and 1150wNm. They seem quite stout boxes.
Wow thats a serious amount of power. Do you know what controller he was using for the box?
@@ZeroTo60Tube HTG controller, some videos of him are available here if you search for engine code and box.
What solution for the Clutch? Clutch by wire? Assume you need a clutch when drifting? :)
@@bentaasen6296 Yes, clutch by wire. Initially set up as an on/off feature, later changed to more progressive action.
8hp45re in the jeep grand Cherokee 3.6petrol.
Sprintex supercharger fitted at 300bhp is pushing it with the weight my tuner recons
We have 10,000km and still going strong as my wife’s daily.
The torque converter is starting to feel a bit lazy.
Have thought of going to the 70 but couldn’t find anything until now turbo lamik might be the go
Cheers for the great content
I got a 8HP in a f30 and at 580 torque I cannot go into 6th gear at full throttle I have to let off and then get back on it. I don’t recommend a trans tune for this transmission
I dont have any information to help but im always up for seeing you explore the options and experiment, exciting stuff! :)
8HP50 is pretty well known to be able to hold about 600-650ftlb / 810-880nm fairly reliably. Go over that and they pop, but torque is the killer. 8HP45 i would imagine would be fairly similar, maybe a touch lower. 8HP70 supposed to be good for ~1000nm. 50's shift a bit faster though (than 70s)
And are lighter by a significant amount.
Make a install video please im gonna need a tutorial this summer when i go to put mine in
Don’t need to slag the N55 we have seen some big boost 3.4 set ups holding massive power figures on them and are really extremely fast.
That comment was entire directed at Declan with his m2 who I was just on the phone to before filming 😛
@@ZeroTo60Tube he would have loved that one . Time he steps up and gets a big boost kit haha. I’m soon to get my shuenk N55+ turbo set up. No 800hp but hope for a health 550hp once completed
What sort of 100-200 times are coming from those big boost cars? I remember seeing a quick one on rk tunes back in the day. N55 have plenty of potential, just wish more people pushed them a little more.
@@ZeroTo60Tube a M235i with a DCT did a 100-200 in 5.13 on the big boost kit 3.3
@@heathbailey4149 is that wedges car? Forgot about that beast.
this is extremely fun, i follow you and i bought a zf6hp28x yesterday for my single turbo xdrive and now you bought something aswell
A lot of bmw 340i b58 guys swap out their 8hp45 for the 8hp70. I know of one guy in the netherlands that runs a pure800 turbo and makes 600+ whp who broke his 8hp45 and changed it to the 8hp70 one.
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Lookimg to swap one in my 1955 chevy bel air turbo big block which one u think would make the better swap
8Hp45 plz
look and compare how much wider box , cluch buckets bigger in diametre and i ques , its need less plates inside for more clamping force ,becouse its bigger disc inside. 8hp75 compare to stock almost twice biger and swaping to e92 barely fit in transmision tunel.
Interesting times ahead. 8hp45 sounds mad.
My M235 needed an HP70 for a 10.9 1/4 mile run on the stock turbo, HP45 was slipping. It should not be considered a long-term solution in my opinion. Look forward to the results!
Appreciate the info. Where you xdrive? Also what was the mph on the 10.9 pass trying to work out what sort of pwoer you are pushing. Regardless quick car to do a 10.9 congrats.
so that TURBO LAMIC controllers allow you to tune the trans also, so you need to tune shift points and line pressures. OR can you just request a tune from TURBO LAMIC?
Custom Everything. You need his controller tho.
Should throw a trackhawk zf8 box in your thing and what it get quicker.
psyched to see the outcome!
Hi! I have an E93 335i N54 DCT. I'm planning of going with FBO, Fuel Pump Stage 2 and 19T, hoping to have around 600HP. Is DCT reliable with xHP stage 3?
My very high milage DCT has been sweet in the DCT car.
It’s probably the big box
I have a 335i f30 2012. Have done a few track days at qld raceway. Killed my clutch packs by 120km. 8hp45 does not like break boosting back to back runs.
Make sure you get your dwell settings right. I had to get workshop with a bmw scan tool to sort my rebuilt box. Talk to Craig at Western Suburbs Transmissions in Rocklea.
Where you running stock TCU software or custom tune?
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These ZF boxes are tough. Really tough. Got MHD stage 2+ and XHP on my ZF845 and it hasn’t missed a beat in 40k miles of tuned running.
Don’t know if you’ve seen this video before but it’s shows the 45 box taking big power.
th-cam.com/video/EP5OkrSveXA/w-d-xo.html
Lamik runs 8HP45 currently in his 3l Diesel 330d car and the gearbox will slip over 450Nm during gear changes. After engaging gears it's fine up to 800Nm.
8HP70 holds 700Nm during shifts and 90 holds 900Nm during shifts.
So no good for the DCT/sequential like shifts........ hmmmm
amazing... cannot wait!
where can i get these trans?
That's awesome ! N54gasm runs the diesel tranny too! He makes a lot of power! Enough to walk 2020 gt500s and now he's going with the biggest n54 twin turbos available I think they're like 5k or 10 for the kit, anyways, good on ya!!!
N54gasm does but his 100-200 times are still slower than we have ran on stock 6hp. He needs to step his game up hehe! I hope he sees this btw. Some sneaky encouragement, I wanna see him crack a 4 second 100-200 in a full weight e90 so we have something to chase.
@@ZeroTo60Tube definitely mate I agree !! He came into the n54 gang bushy tailed! I'm excited to see what you both acomplish in the next years ! Definitely my favorite TH-camrs ! Along with Alex the Russian! 😄😄
Between us, n54gasm, the Russian and pat built it’s gonna be a sick year for N54! 💪
Ready to bring my 1er up with the 45 box mate
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I was thinking that 45box would suit your 1er
Cheap! Also, can you use the stock drive shaft?
You can actually use the stock drive shaft with both of these boxes in an N54
If you were to buy an 8hp45 for a n54 3 series, could you run it without the turbolamik controller or is the a necessity to get it work/work well?
We are probably going to find out in this series. I just dont think you can do a trans brake without the controller.
I think its possible using software from the e series Z4 that were fitting with a ZF8, but i dont know anyone that has successfully done the swap..... yet. I have seen a xdrive zf8 running in a 2006 3 series n54 on stock TCU, would drive in manual, but quite a few errors.
"well there's no fast n55's is there" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 so funny
Im just jealous since they sound so good....
@@ZeroTo60Tube it's true...
Will watch on to see how it's unfolded 😁
Realy impressive
??? Gotta do a diy on what you will need to swap?
Do u guys have problems changing ATF on high mileage trannys
Wouldnt a diesel gearbox have different gear ratios due to the different engine characteristic? Or is just the final drive different?
I think both the petrol 8hp70 and diesel 8hp70 have the same gear ratios. Just different diffs. However dont quote me on that.
i was lucky enough to get a zf6hp19 so n the process of replacing it with a zf6hp28 with joshs adapter kit. reliable sure but the shifts in the zf8 look amazing
Cool vid. Where did you source the zf8hp70?
An auto dismantler hard to find in aus
If this swap is possible with the stock transmission controller, I’d be interested in doing it to my N52 car. Early F10 528i came with N52 and 8HP45, would any other 8HP’s fit?
Looking at the E89 models using the 8HP, they’re all N20 engined. Is the idea to flash the ZB from the E89, and use xHP or similar to make custom calibration and shift maps? Or can the firmware and calibrations be mix and match between E/F series 8HP cars?
Finally, any info on the shifter? Does it need to be from F10, or can other shifters work? (eg E82 DCT shifter, F30)
The electronic shifter base from E9x has a cable for parking lock. Is this not needed for the 8HP?
Just about to film a video on the concept. However it will likely need to be from an E series. Luckily BMW was great at using old electronics on the Z4 models. So there is an E series Z4 with ZF8.
12:25 he talks about 6 HP 28 from 335D x5d ect.
My zf8hp70 in my 2015 Range Rover sport is heating up, I can feel it in my cabin next to my knee . I had the transmission filter and fluid changed but it didn’t help much. Do you know what could be the issue?
It would be unusal for a 8hp to make heat. OIther than slipping clutches or tq converter, not much can generate heat
Got it I’m going to change the trans oil cooler maybe there is a block in there my last resort .
Your engine BHp/ and torque //rpm output will tell you which box to use as the ZF8HP45- 50 and ZF8HP70-75 have different ratings! MAN ALWAYS PUSHES THE LIMITS!!!! how hard are the ZF8HP90's to find in Australia? cheers
I have never seen a 90 for sale in a wrecker. They were only in the v12 BMW and Rolls Royce down here. So very rare and worth a mint.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I was thinking from the USA, from the Chrysler 300 & Dodge SRT Hellcat ZF8HP90 transmisssion 2014 onwards year of manufacture.
Now that you mentioned it, wonder if it would be cheaper to just build our current zf6 transmissions to hold higher hp. Issue would be it may not shift as fast as a zf8.
Usually the 6hp19z/21 upgrade path involves extra clutches in the packs, which will improve the shift speed. You will have to run xHP to take advantage, though. The higher number of clutches is the main reason the 8hp45 shifts quicker.
The issue with the builds is the cost. The build 6HP boxes cost mega money.
@@ZeroTo60Tube love your research into all this. I'll be going with whatever will potentially hold 1,000hp or so.
The 8hp70 has larger clutch packs and gears but since they're both 8 speeds I think that's why they're basically the same length
8hp70 is longer than the 45 when you bolt it to the engine and actually get it in the car. i mached up with a 45 and built the 75, when i put the 75 in i had to readjust the driveline lol.. if you use 8hp70 with a 20mm adapter plate you can also use an OEM e60 m5 driveline with the 3.08 manual n54 diff. the clutches are the same size there are just more of them in the 70, same size gears. the only difference is the gear ratios. the only 2 8hp with the same gear ratio is the 8hp75 and the 8hp55 in the A90 AND thats ONLY if the 8hp75 is final drive 3.31 and the 55 is 3.15.
@@Mp-jw1qg How about the 8hp70 in the Hybrid 5? I think the drive ratios there should be suitable for an N54, not sure about the diff, though. The Hybrid 5 runs a 2.93 - should be close enough to the 3.08 in the manual N54s.
In poland we dont say "wow", we say "O kurwa" and I think its beautiful
I find your language fascinating. The more of it I read, I had no idea how different it is English/German/French
I want to put a 8hp70 in a Mazda b4000 (Ford ranger third Gen) and wondering if you have any idea how I would control the tranny and the engine. Since I think the shifting has to be controlled by a computer but so does the timing right?
no idea on that setups sorry
I know it’s too early but do you have an initial list of parts needed for the 8hp70 swap and an estimate of how much they cost?
Hey mate, yes it’s not too bad. You need a 8hp shifter from a 5 series (they mount nicely in a n54), the full kit from lamik, a trans mission mount from a f30, the pcb board to modify the mechatronics and a 8hp70 box.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thank you for replying and for what you are doing to the platform. Truly appreciate it!
Wait, did you say 8HP45 will bolt up to a N54 without an adaptor plate?
Get one from an n55 and they do.
So the bmw 7 speed dct can’t hold the power you have? Cause I was thinking of putting one in my twin turbo LS Rx8
Hey mate, sorry i missed this. A turbo ls, will be making a bunch of torque, you would need upgraded clutches for sure
I have 2008 535i looking for a trans swap witch should I get??
How do you bolt up a power glide
8hp90 hellcat trans…
Hey i’m looking to rebuild my transmission on my bmw 335i 2008 what do I need to rebuild it six speed automatic
A lot of knowledge i havent spent enough time researching rebuilds and causes of failures on the zf6 due to hearing so many people not having luck with rebuilds.
@@ZeroTo60Tube So is it better off just by an new transmission then
My F10 535d has a 8HP70, and I've seen a few F10 535d being wrecked I imagine the boxes wouldnt be too expensive?
In Australia super rare and very expensive. However in countries where the 535ds are more popular they are way cheaper.
@@ZeroTo60Tube yeah wow the 535d here mainly aren't really a tuners car wouldn't have thought there'd be much demand for them!
Mate where can you find one for $1000
Everything im seeing on ebay around $3k
Doing the same with a 8hp75 in a 2jz aristo
ALso have heard you get slightly faster shifts in the 50/75 compared to the 45/70
8hp45 I got one on market place for $700, wrecker in goldy was $1200. 8hp70 however they are best part of 4K 🙃
Interesting that you've decided to put a diesel transmission into a petrol car, have you worked out the big difference between the two yet (besides the amount of torque they can handle), and the major issue you'll have to think about and overcome for longevity? The issue is the diesel motors are vertical, petrols are a slant. Compare the bellhousing bolt holes side by side (I can see them clear as day with the two in front of you in this video) and you'll see about a 15° difference between the two. Meaning the pickup for the trans fluid in the pan will never sit flat, fluid starvation and cavitation will be your enemy. Be prepared for a lot of modifications to make a diesel trans work well (and last) in a petrol BMW.
There are ways around this issue, but I'd need to talk to you off camera to give you things to look at, as this has been a known issue for many, many years of modified BMW's. I did email you ages ago and said I'm more than happy to give you a call and let you know what I know to try and help out. There are a couple of different possible options depending on your budget. And, not everyone on TH-camwill tell you all their dirty little secrects on how they get things to work, or how much it actually cost (unlike you guys, who keep it real).
I have a diesel 4 cyl e90, it is slant, not vertical, are you sure?
@@transporter_tv Yes, the 4cyl motors are a slant, it's the 6cyl motors only. If you look at the angle of the straight part on the bellhousings of both transmissions in the video, you'll see the difference - it's not huge, but noticeable if you look for it.
Hey Geordie, yeah all that is worked out. Like i mention Lamik has been doing this for nearly 5 years now. But the same situation with the Guruautoworks 6hp28 conversions that popped up last year.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I'm definitely interested to see how you do it, as it may give me more options to think about for the turbo M62 build. Anything is possible, the Guruautoworks kit basically is just sandwich plates to rotate the trans back to it's proper orientation, so that's not hard and eliminates one of the issues, it does create a few smaller issues but these are easily sorted.
Just interested in how you're planning on going about it.
"There is no fast N55s" Oh burn!
😉
How does the turbo lamick interface? Do you use this instead of xhp?
yes, it has its own tuning application that can work with any standalone or stock dme. full can bus
It fully replaces the tcu.
Can you retain AWD ? What would that entail. I have a doc race n55 feeling the tranny slipping a tad so I wanna know how I can retain awd with a better box to hold the power
Let me find a link for you that i come accross a couple of days ago.
f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1887697
Will the 8HP45 fit onto the back of an M50 BMW engine?
Which version of the 8hp45 are you looking at?
@@ZeroTo60Tube I am clueless about these boxes, but I think it should be one used on the M50/52 engine? Please elaborate.
wait what? are all b58's connected to smaller zf8hp? Or is it only 1 series? What about 340i and 440i?
Yep all B58 powered cars run the ZF8HP50. Including 340/440
Yes, so there are a few cars out there making big power on the little trans
@@ZeroTo60Tube being a M140i driver myself, I'd be keen to see how far you can push the 8HP45.
I’d say for science do the cheaper one. But I think you’ll find yourself doing a swap to the beefier one. Don’t think it’ll take the abuse you wanna give it long term.
Other terms you should tear down the cooked box also for science
Do you think the hp845 is OK in a m57d 300bhp or should I go with the 70 its for a big truck
Definitely the 70 to handle the torque from the diesel
Just got one 🕺
Hi guys this has probably been asked already do you know how much power the jaguar 8hp70 would take ?
Asside from output shaft it whouls hold the same as any other 8hp70. Same internals. So depening on RPM somewhere between 700-800hp and 1000-1200nm.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the reply. What would you recommend as the next step as in getting the 8hp 70 modified to take 1400hp. Am just in the process of building an e91 with a 6.0ls and 88mm turbo
You guys ever consider a drift build n54 vehicle?
We have, but it's a costly exercise and to be honest we do try and look at what will get the most interest on youtube. Generally its the straight line racing in the N54s. Would love a legit drift car one day. But it will likely be a more popular platform.
I'm on the tail end of an N54 drift build now! (Nissan Chassis though)
Hi, on the e46 320d, I have 5 Speeds, I want to put 6 what I need?
Similar to this. Assuming you mean auto box.
@@ZeroTo60Tube no, it s manual gearbox
Onward and Upward!!
If you want to help people save some money, as soon as you hear someone is thinking about buying a BMW go around and slap some sense into them. 🙂
Lolllll
Cheap please because cheap is still $$
I just blew up my 440i f32 8hp50 gearbox at 480whp and 650nm
Ullll, that is on the lower side of whta i had heard the 8hp50 will take. Were you running torque reduction at all?
Awesome video. I have an 8hp75z in a 330e. Has electric motor instead of converter. Have vibration under load in 6th at 1800rpm to 2200rpm. Had the gearbox recon'd, new clutches seals and recon'd valvebody. The problem persists. Doubt you've ever seen it as these boxes are only starting to give trouble on the 100k mls plus cars but Any ideas?
Unfortunately they are something i know nothing about. Would love to hear if you do get to the bottom of it. I have seen pics of those boxes, what are they like to drive with out the converter?
@@ZeroTo60Tube Very smooth when in electric mode, and nice in ICE mode too. Even better when you put an XHP flash on it :).
Where are you finding 8hp45 that cheap?
Marketplace and ebay so far.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I'm guessing you'd need the shifter and everything that goes with it as well?
@@kkarnis3791 yes at a minimum. again still not tested, but hopefully soon
IMHO the 8hp45 is not that significant of an upgrade over the standard 6hp21. The torque rating is the same from factory, yes the 8hp is faster and could theoretically hold more torque, but by how much. Again, IMHO, it is not worth dropping a functioning 6hp, in order to swap it to an 8hp45. If You have already broken a 6hp, then maybe it is worth investing in an 8hp45 over refurbishing/used 6hp. Then again, if You have already broken a 6hp21, You are most likely running torque figures at the 8hp45 limit, as well. Therefore, should You have the spare cash, just pull the trigger on the 8hp70/75.
Did You look for an (Active) Hybrid 5, or are they not common in Australia? The reason I ask is because I know they run an N55 with the 8hp70, so it should be bolt on front-side. Plus, the ratios should be more in line with what a petrol car should run. If I were to do a swap, this would be the one I would look for, though Hybrid 5s are very rare finds in the junkyard.
I was thinking the same thing, until i saw that stock box in the kotte performance car. I have never seen a stock 6hp21 handle that power and shift like that.
Would really love to see this 8 speed swap
It’s happening!
What about a zf8 ?
These are both ZF8
@@ZeroTo60Tube having a moment there 😂 was so confused wonder what one I have. I own a m135i 2013 PWG 👍🏻
Turbolamik 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💥💥💥💥💥
turbo lamik for the win. i just my dct.. time for zf8
Have you ordered yours yet? I saw you on the lamik forum and been stalking you on facebook too.... not weird tho right? On another note been watching your RX7 build for ages, love what you have created there!!!
@@ZeroTo60Tube haha really? I feel privaliged that you know who i am. Thank you man. well i was about to click the buy button but ive now to research more into transfer cases. apparently some can be weak?
I can't see a BMW one breaking in your car especially from an x5, but it might be a tight fit. However, instead of taking my uneducated opinion lol, I have a friend in the UK i can put you in contact with who knows Lamik really well, he has helped me sooo much. TBH speaking with lamik and the language barrier is a challenge. But this guy has helped me so much and he can call Mr Lamik himself for any tough questions. I will bet money lamik will have a solution or hardware setup to work for you reliably. Check your facebook stalker requests for Andrew A.......
@@ZeroTo60Tube . you know me man. Ill make the bitch fit. im not scared to take a grinder to the bastard haha. Ill accept you when i go for lunch. my work firewall is very strange with facebook and blocks allot. TL controler looks great for sure. Possibility of maxxecu controlling it too but ill have to do allot of development for that :)
you should definitely put the 8hp45/50 on the flow max car since there's no adapter plate needed and would be the go to for 80 percent of people who are going to do the swap like this. i would like to see the limitations of a 8hp45 i am sure it would get the flow max cars to deep 10s. Also you should do a n54 stock piston china rods real arp hardware and see if you could make a 10 335i for cheap just a thought.
Buy once, cry once. We need to see some n54s putting down competitive times
The cheaper the better if it handles the abuse of repeated launches
All this is too much for my head and wallet to handle but can't wait to see what you do with it all
8hp45 she what she will hold
Go for bigger beefer box.Would piss you off if you were limited by or broke the other box.Could have free range to push power levels.😀
The 8HP70 is fat. Maybe we should ask new Dave if she can tell the 2cm difference🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ can't wait to see the FlowMax with 8HP70!!!!
I think I figured out why the Russian pistons are late……….
What torque can a dct hold in a n54?
up to 900Nm
Well with xHP its supposed to be 1000nm now.
@@ZeroTo60Tube are we talking about the dct in the m3 e92 or the zf 8 speed ?
@@gogs9997 dct in n54 probably.
@@Zalle335 Any BMW DCT box running xhp line bump.
No fast n55 😭😭😭 n55 making 680hp and beating every n54 in town
It was just an inside joke for his friend with the M2...all good, lol.
Haha sorry lads! Just a bit of banter haha. What sort of 100-200 or 60-130 are you doing with 680hp Moe?
@@ZeroTo60Tube I got my draggy but unfortunately I got hit by a mustang doing a roll race with him at 60mph. I will upload videos after all the insurance stuff is settled. The car can be fixed and no one was hurt. Im sure its high or mid 6s
@@Moe_z HOLY SHIT!!! i saw your post on facebook, didn't know you were a view. Sorry to hear man!! Did you have any luck with insurance?
@@ZeroTo60Tube yeah its getting fixed up!
🤔 instructions unclear tranny leaks while grabbing my gears.
cheaper option
Said gearbox in my old 40d, tune - so maybe ~800nm. th-cam.com/video/0KjIk2xEbp4/w-d-xo.html
haha i enjoyed that video.
HEEEEITSCH PEEEEE
Not allot of fast N55 cars 😮🙈