American here. Theres a builder here on TH-cam called Nivlac57, which put a 4.2L Vortec inline 6 engine in a 5th gen Camaro, added a turbo, and is making 1000whp. He is looking into making an adapter plate to mate a 8HP70 to the 4.2 I6. It seems that MaxxECU will be the way to go...
I’ve seen a few people have put 8HP70’s behind 1000HP motors and they’re handling it fine. Didn’t end up including that in the vid cuz it can depend so much on a bunch of factors.
Calvin is a goat with the atlas 4200 , he doing a new gen Camero now and a I think 88 supra with the 4200 swap ... merow is the auto, and the supra is a top dog, imo cuz it's still got a manual trans and both going high power and high boost 💪🏽🤘🏽🤙🏽✌🏽
Yes they are a great conversion , I have the N57 8hp70 behind a Atomic 998 running a G45 1500 . I have the Turbo Lamik receiving speed rpm and the other connectionwith the Haltech Barra pro elite with the sequencial shifter , in 12 months the only damage I've heard of , is because people start their cars without the TCU being powered up . The 8hp must be connected and power up before starting them . I have the whole Catalog of Domiworks parts , the Swedes have been using the 8hp since they came out behind everything they could .❤ . In Queensland the Drifting scene is big on the 8hp70 swaps , behind jz's and RB's with a clutch pedal .😊❤8hp70
@fgmods with Paddle shifters ? Easy mod . Mine is for roll racing when it's completed . 8 speed , was the ones whom put me onto the 8hp , now I've ordered and received all the best parts to make mine Super Tuff . Only thing missing is the Cryo treatment . Good luck mate .
Russell Drake from Sound German Automotive is the progenitor of all 8hp swaps. He was the first to unlock the transmission. He sells controllers for ZF8 and the NAG1
I've had my eye out for zf8 stuff for a bit now - Garage Whifbitz has some good content on a bunch of different cars. glad to see that it's on workshop's radars for the Falcon.
Couple of points. You can’t compare a “$16,000” 6HP build to the installation of a used 8HP, one will be capable of running a 7 second pass the other might need rebuilding soon after you buy it… and building an 8HP to handle the same power will cost you $20k, Pure charge $6000 USD for a basic build through to $15,000 for a stage 3 Compare this to a FULLY built 6R80 in the USA which is less and has run 7.26 @ 194mph as a 6 speed or 6.76 @ 208mph as a 3 speed with overdrive delete. Back here in Australia the 6HP26 has run 7 second passes in a full weight (almost 4000lb) FG sedan. A 6R80 input shaft, billet planetary and quality build will be less than $16,000 and will handle whatever people can throw at it. The 8HP is very cool but make sure you stick to comparing apples to apples
The higher spec 8 speeds can handle 1000nm...My old fella has the low spec 8 speed in a 5 series. It changes gears like a DCT...Insane economy on the highway as well. In an F6 or Xr6t it would be a game changer. ZF 6 speed still decent though
You realize that guys are running 7s and 8s in the 1/4 with Powerglides, TH400s and 4L80e when they have enough power, the right converter and gears? How fast are you expecting to run? At least when it comes to turbo LS stuff. A kid ran 7s in a New Edge Mustang with an unopened gen IV 4.8L, the 243 heads stayed on, he did and cam and a valve spring kit. He used a lightly modded 4L80e and a very serious converter which is likely much easier to find, buy, control and adapt if necessary than a rwd high Tq ZF8. If I was going to step outside the GM.boxes and use a Ford engine, I would use a 6R140 with a turbo 6.8L or 7.3L Godzilla from a box van. The 6R140 cam in Ford "modular" bolt pattern behind rhe 6.2L SOHC V8 from 2010 on and handles over 1,000ft/lbs from very low rpms from built 6.7L diesels, living behind a turbo gas engine should be a cake walk for one. Most of the ZF8s are the lower tq rated units from behind turbo I4s and V6s. I suppose things are just a lot different in Australia with parts avaliability, prices and willingness to gamble.
@@hendo337 mate that is correct on the stock Mechtronic , but once you solder in the chip supplied with the Turbo-lamik TCM , then the torque limit and HP levels are all adjustable , and one of America's big engine builders Blue Power is offering the 8hp to suit the LS , they showed it at this year's SEMA , attached to a LS
I mean one thing a power glide doesn’t have over the ZF 8HP is usability. It’s not like I could go to the strip and then the mall afterwards. That’s the beauty of having many gears AND the strength to suit. Plus it’s highly tunable these days although maybe being in SoCal helps with getting parts but either way it’s so worth it!
ZF 8hp is always in the power band and not an on/off switch style of driving of the old power glide. 10R80 is the fastest shifting TQ converter trans on the market.
@@dgo9121 you should check the G meter on a dragy run with a 7 sec th400 equipped car, you keep talking about fast shifts until you realise you cant even see a G dip in a shift on a th400 when it only has to shift twice.... this youtube video and the guy making loves to imply that all these 8hp70's can take 1000hp, they might be able to take 1000hp when you yank a ton of torque from them as you shift 4-5 times, that makes them slower, they also cant 60ft or 330ft like a fast th400 car, and guess what, a billet manual valvebody 4L80E is a th400 with lockup and overdrive. so now the 8hp cant argue about the th400 not being lockup/od. trust me when i say this, an 8hp70 behind a powerful engine with lamik or cantcu or maxxecu controlled is a 5000-9000 dollar investment, to pray that a 800 dollar junk yard 8hp70 actually does live....
Bro , we have been doing zf swaps in the states for years . They are strong , hold good torque numbers , and they all have great gearing , but now that more people know of it , they going crazy in price 😅.. peace and love brotha, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on..l8r famz
8L and the 10 speed from GM/Ford with upgrades do pretty well too. Meanwhile a bone stock, 5k AUD T-56 magnum will do 950nm.... If you don't need the automagic, the manual is far cheaper and easier to build if you need more than that. I do love me an 8 speed v8 for daily duties though.
The old Albury-Wodonga Borg-Warner Single Rail 4 speed ( which was very different to the US BW SR 4 Speed) worked great in my old Valiant, oh & a hotted up P76 V8 I owned.
lol @ the haltech reference. same deal with the gm 6l80e control. ive been hounding them for years... worked with Link & they got me something to test in under 2 months.
I thought the 6HP26 has a 600nm limit from the factory, hence why all Falcon / FPV turbos and supercharged V8’s are kept below 600nm, even the GT-F and the sprint models.
The Ford licensed version called a 6R80 in the states is only supposed to be good for 800nm and guys were pushing 900Ft/Lbs and running 8s with a big Whipple on a Coyote in 2011.
Camaro's that were imported to Australia between 2018-2020 had 8 Speed Auto Gear-Box and Challengers with 5.7 HEMI also have 8 Speed Auto Gear-Box. Camaro's were using GM 8 Speed which had some issues with metal shards getting into Torque Converter. ZF 8 speed if you have the Money& go for it. the question is has it been done on Barra Engines yet ? Successfully ?
It would be cool if u could contact the awd fg falcon dude. In his vid (with the basic barra turbo plus/ stage 2, what ever u wanna call it) it did a 2.9sec 0-100! He said he was building it for more power but we havent got an update for years 😔. P.s Imagine an AWD 8HP falcon 👀
we make an awd 2jz oil pan that uses the g80/f90 front diff for the zf8hp swaps, if you get me the barra oil pan 3d scan and a scan of the barra in the car and where the front axle plane is i can draw you an awd oil pan for barra that would work with barra and the bmw 3.15 final drive in cad .(the native 8hp ratio that hauls the most ass) or i can make it fit the trackhawk 3.73 ratio front diff. i make a lot of zf8hp parts for swaps.
Did your grapevine source tell you anything about he possible timeline for the aussie based pixelated ECU manufacturer for native ZF8 support? great video btw, very informative.
No timeline. Last I heard they were working with a well known existing TCU controller maker. So IF they get native support it’s probably going to be quite advanced. But it also seems like they’re hitting roadblocks and others are well ahead of them already.
I think it is more than 1 or 2 years out before they become very popular and that price tag man here i am thinking about a turbo ls swap with a junkyard 4l80e with a hd2 kit in it so like $500 all in or the trans
You can bet your dollars on shift programming are being locked by manufacturers. I had ZF8 fitted to BMW M5, and the shifts,logic, and tuning were day and night different to my mum's RR fitted with the same transmission. I'd wager it would be very expensive too.
@@hellothere4342 the Turbo Lamik does the same thing with the chip you solder to the mechtronic , and it's self learning to always give the best performance it can , you can change and program everything with the Turbo-lamik .
@@kenmackay9276 I would love to have one fitted to my VE SSV. Is there more information on this? Surely LS crowd could benefit from better transmission.
@@fgmods it would be interesting for sure. This programming side of thing is well beyond my capabilities. Just knowing first hand how good it is in BMW and that's where my standards would be set. I've got the 9g tronics in my C63s. Even though it's a newer gearbox it's nowhere close to ZF. Doesn't help that I've already had recall for valve complications repairs under warranty.
@@hellothere4342 And it's not only BMW , Bentley Aston Martin , Range Rovers , Jaguars and Dodge . Also there is a big aftermarket for high performance internals . Sonnax, is a very big name with parts , most people know of them for their GM Powerglide turbo 350 turbo 400, 4l80 performance parts . Raybestos have the RGPZ-018 HEAVY DUTY CLUTCHES & Raybestos STMZ-019 STEEL CLUTCHES , THEY MUST BE USED TOGETHER .
Great video, this is been going on now for about 2 years.. as you mentioned the worst hurdle was the proprietary TCU that was in the zf.. i believe the Turbolamik is by far a better choice..we are about to install the ZF 8 into my sons Jag v-12, xjs.. and we have a Maxx ecu in the jag.. will be interesting..
Ive looked into it. And from what ive seen the 75 will be cooked by a 600kw barra and building it is uncertain and expensive. The built zf tho expensive bolts straight in . But at 700kws even the best ones are unreliable. So you end up back at th400
There’s quite a lot of cars with that kind of power using 8HP70 boxes. Weight of the car and how you drive is obviously a big factor. My thinking (and what I’ve experienced) is that the ZF8 is so much faster given its newer superior technology, that there’s just no need to chase high HP (even though it can handle a LOT stock) It can make lower HP cars go way faster than something with 1000hp and a t400.
best ones aren't unreliable, just too expensive that you do think twice before buying the best one, Monstatorque is running 7's with their full weight shop car they are warrantying it too so should be interesting. gotta pay to play though.
Ha and all my mates used to hang shit on anyone with a tcu gearbox or even a dgs gearbox. My car walks all over their cars even with almost 100kw less. They are great for daily driving but can handle a shit load of power and shift lightning fast.
The actual advantages of the ZF8 are pretty massive against a 4-speed, but the 6HP variants (6L/R80) are very well scienced out at this point as well, and they don't give up much vs the 8HP. I dunno. They make a good street car transmission, and potentially a good "fun car" trans, but it remains to be seen if they'll get adapted to hold to the abuse of drag applications like ye olde 4L80E. Probably not, because by the time you're at 4L80E or TH400 power levels in a drag application, you're abusing the torque converter on every shift and letting it make up for the relatively wide spread.
Maybe if the price was cheaper, they would be viable because comparing a zf6 built to the cost of a zf8 thats bog stock and has a higer risk of failure it just aint really worth it. If they where mabe 3k buy in for the box it would be viable but with the cost for one installed at 19k from another comment that isnt viable. You could swap a zf6 and do a mild turbo build for the same cost a zf8 installed
I hear ya- BUT I suspect a well sorted Powerglide would be just as fast down the 1/4- although on the street rhere'd be no comparison. I've got a big HP RB30 powerwd R31 with a big dollar Trimatic behind it. It was the worst decision I ever made (besides fitting a Microtech 12C ECU 15 yrs ago 🤦🤣). I've had constant problems with breaking hard parts where there aren't any aftermarket options for upgrade. Yes it's a physically light box and it's relatively efficient and doesn't absorb a lot of power like a TH400 does- BUT it's come at the price of reliability. No doubt the car is faster (off the footbrake- can't trans brake it if I'm blowing it up launching off the foot brake) with this particular Trimatic compared to a TH400- but then again I could launch with more boost AND use a trans brake which would more than make up for whatever power you lose at the wheels with the TH400. But I'm talking about $7,000 - $8,000 built boxes. Hi Stalls level the playing field with these boxes with lots more gears. Yes, technically they keep you in the power band but when a torque converter is operating with slip it's actually a torque multiplier. That's lart of the rwadon Powerglides work so well it a drag application... I'd rather a TH400 and a Gear Vendors overdrive unit replacing the factory extension housing... It'd be much more reliable in extreme operation usage with big HP builds
This was inevitable. Manufacturers were putting that shxt on everything like hot sauce lol. All the germans except Benz and almost all the muscle Americans have sone variant of 8HP
They ARE slower, if you have to build a 2000HP engine to make cars with 3 and 4 speed boxes just as fast as cars with 500HP and newer 6, 8 and 10 speed boxes, than they are literally slower
Dream build is an alloy block Boss 5.4 or Barra turbo with a ZF 8 speed. ZF is lighter than the ZF 6 speed. I'd move the battery to the boot and reconfigure the rear end suspension to handle some wider rear tyres. Suspension wise just an adjustable front sway bar. So you'd have a lighter front end and the FG would be lighter on its feet.
There were aluminum block 5.4 and 5.8L DOHC sold in GT500s, I wouldn't waste my money or time. A 6.8 or 7.3 Godzilla is significantly better and I would run a 6R140 modular bolt pattern with internals used to survive behind a full tilt 6.7L diesel.
The 8 speed is a great box with great tech, but saying they are faster then a 3 speed is a very naive statement. If they make a car faster then why does all the promod boys who run 5sec 200+mph run either 3 speed TH400's and 2 speed Th400's? A 3 or 2 speed with the right converter and right gear set will always be faster then 6 ,8 or 10 speeds.
The things you’re comparing aren’t really comparable, the TH400’s and glides in those cars are super expensive and built strictly for racing. Also, the engines in those cars have the torque to make up for the difference between ratios. If you compare the stock ZF8 to a TH400 built to take the same power and you put both in the same car the 8 would be quicker, faster, and more fuel efficient. The ZF may be more expensive but that’s kind of based on where you get both transmissions and ultimately value is up to the individual. I’m definitely interested in the 8HP for street/strip builds because highway speeds in a 2-3 speed is terrible.
Naive,naive is you comparing lets say 750kw/1000nm vs a 5500hp+ promod ...... Not all pro mods run a 2,3 speed a few pro mods running 5 &7 speed air shift liberty's
Then it's not running a Turbo-lamik TCM , as you can tune Violent Shifts in them , throw in Raybestos Fibre GPZ-018 clutches and the Raybestos STMZ-019 Steel clutches for insane power .
Hahaha this guy obviously doesn't understand there's more to it, look up what happened when Brett LaSala or anyone else swap from a factory style trans like a 6R etc and go 'Glide or TH400 lol they all went quicker
@@fgmods To be fair my thoughts are the 8hp is better for most all rounder cars but I wouldn't be surprised if the old drag transmissions are still at the top for drag, I'm keen af on an 8hp swap, always need a manual though which means another car & bigger garage, cars are expensive lol
They definitely ran into some issues that seem to have brought the project to a halt. However if you have one of their units and the knowledge to set up and use it they’re incredibly powerful.
@@fgmods yeah but based on their current situation alone i'd never recommend them let alone mention their name at this point, turbolamik and cantcu are household names in this space now
about to? brother youre literally 4 years late on this video lol. weve been sticking these gearboxes behind 1500+hp engines for a good while. people laughed, now they dm us for parts.
It's well ahead of all the Falcon owners and shops who are only just catching up now. There's only 2 ZF8 swapped Falcon's so far. I've been talking about this for years already. It's just now Falcon owners are finally taking it seriously... After the rest of the car world has already been doing it.
Or just buy a ZF from Monsta Torque for 9k that comes with a converter and it will be better. Zf8 is cool tho. If they can get it to be more of a bolt in package it will be good.
I give it 6 months and big ZF6 builders like monsta torque will be providing ZF8 options. In fact I’ve already seen a couple of known names say on their FB etc that they’re working on ZF8 build options.
Fixed heaps of these in vw's and jeeps. Unless it's the ZF8H90, forget it. Buckets of shit. You're on the money with the 6R80. Stangs do really well with stock boxes.
Lol the th400 ain't old news, there's a reason it's the king. I think you'd have a hard time telling all the 7, 8 and 9 second street cars that 8 speeds is better than 3😂
@@fgmods Thing is at the power levels of a 7s or better car, you don't need all the gears, you already have more power/torque than you can put down in those few gears.
@@fgmods”Faster” where? A lot of 2 speed (power glide) cars in the USA that’d beg to disagree! Tons of T400’s disagreeing too! 😂 Hell….top fuel is one speed. Bottom line, with enough power, less shifting is actually faster than more shifting.
American here. Theres a builder here on TH-cam called Nivlac57, which put a 4.2L Vortec inline 6 engine in a 5th gen Camaro, added a turbo, and is making 1000whp. He is looking into making an adapter plate to mate a 8HP70 to the 4.2 I6. It seems that MaxxECU will be the way to go...
I’ve seen a few people have put 8HP70’s behind 1000HP motors and they’re handling it fine.
Didn’t end up including that in the vid cuz it can depend so much on a bunch of factors.
@@fgmodsyep. Plus the rebuild cost of 10k for a stock rebuild....
maxxecu, cantcu, or turbolamik (the best option)
Calvin is a goat with the atlas 4200 , he doing a new gen Camero now and a I think 88 supra with the 4200 swap ... merow is the auto, and the supra is a top dog, imo cuz it's still got a manual trans and both going high power and high boost 💪🏽🤘🏽🤙🏽✌🏽
I got a quote for an 8hp conversion in my f6 and I can tell you now it was way more than a built zf6
What was the price if I may ask?
@jeremygolding109 was roughly 19k
@@zskytop8790 Yeah man, even doing the work myself I get to around 15k, which in car world will end up at 20k after shit happens lol
@sircefiro it's definitely not cheap, as cool as it is I worked it that youre better off going with a 4L80, th400 or well setup powerglide
Why not use a Lenco?
Yes they are a great conversion , I have the N57 8hp70 behind a Atomic 998 running a G45 1500 .
I have the Turbo Lamik receiving speed rpm and the other connectionwith the Haltech Barra pro elite with the sequencial shifter , in 12 months the only damage I've heard of , is because people start their cars without the TCU being powered up . The 8hp must be connected and power up before starting them . I have the whole Catalog of Domiworks parts , the Swedes have been using the 8hp since they came out behind everything they could .❤ .
In Queensland the Drifting scene is big on the 8hp70 swaps , behind jz's and RB's with a clutch pedal .😊❤8hp70
Yeah the drift scene has been using them for a minute.
My dream drift build now involves a ZF8 😂
@fgmods with Paddle shifters ? Easy mod . Mine is for roll racing when it's completed . 8 speed , was the ones whom put me onto the 8hp , now I've ordered and received all the best parts to make mine Super Tuff . Only thing missing is the Cryo treatment . Good luck mate .
Russell Drake from Sound German Automotive is the progenitor of all 8hp swaps. He was the first to unlock the transmission. He sells controllers for ZF8 and the NAG1
I've had my eye out for zf8 stuff for a bit now - Garage Whifbitz has some good content on a bunch of different cars. glad to see that it's on workshop's radars for the Falcon.
Already running this swap for over a year now. Yes it is awesome
8HP90 in the Hellcats and Demons over here in the USA. 👍🏿
2JZ+8HP90 is my gold for my SC300. 😉
the dodge bellhousing is a tight squeeze in the tunnel from what i hear
@ClassifiedRecon 🤔 thanks for the info. I'll have to take that into account.
@@ClassifiedRecon apparently the only difference is bolt pattern and tune. Size-wise they're all the same.
Couple of points.
You can’t compare a “$16,000” 6HP build to the installation of a used 8HP, one will be capable of running a 7 second pass the other might need rebuilding soon after you buy it… and building an 8HP to handle the same power will cost you $20k, Pure charge $6000 USD for a basic build through to $15,000 for a stage 3
Compare this to a FULLY built 6R80 in the USA which is less and has run 7.26 @ 194mph as a 6 speed or 6.76 @ 208mph as a 3 speed with overdrive delete.
Back here in Australia the 6HP26 has run 7 second passes in a full weight (almost 4000lb) FG sedan.
A 6R80 input shaft, billet planetary and quality build will be less than $16,000 and will handle whatever people can throw at it.
The 8HP is very cool but make sure you stick to comparing apples to apples
The higher spec 8 speeds can handle 1000nm...My old fella has the low spec 8 speed in a 5 series. It changes gears like a DCT...Insane economy on the highway as well.
In an F6 or Xr6t it would be a game changer. ZF 6 speed still decent though
Exactly, you can't rebuild a zf8 for under 10k as they will be rooted and need rebuild.
@@Low760 depends how mich stress. If its over 1000nm then yeah...
Be good to see how second hand 8hp70s hold up, good points here
Brilliant, full of some fantastic information.
You realize that guys are running 7s and 8s in the 1/4 with Powerglides, TH400s and 4L80e when they have enough power, the right converter and gears? How fast are you expecting to run? At least when it comes to turbo LS stuff. A kid ran 7s in a New Edge Mustang with an unopened gen IV 4.8L, the 243 heads stayed on, he did and cam and a valve spring kit. He used a lightly modded 4L80e and a very serious converter which is likely much easier to find, buy, control and adapt if necessary than a rwd high Tq ZF8. If I was going to step outside the GM.boxes and use a Ford engine, I would use a 6R140 with a turbo 6.8L or 7.3L Godzilla from a box van. The 6R140 cam in Ford "modular" bolt pattern behind rhe 6.2L SOHC V8 from 2010 on and handles over 1,000ft/lbs from very low rpms from built 6.7L diesels, living behind a turbo gas engine should be a cake walk for one. Most of the ZF8s are the lower tq rated units from behind turbo I4s and V6s. I suppose things are just a lot different in Australia with parts avaliability, prices and willingness to gamble.
@@hendo337 mate that is correct on the stock Mechtronic , but once you solder in the chip supplied with the Turbo-lamik TCM , then the torque limit and HP levels are all adjustable , and one of America's big engine builders Blue Power is offering the 8hp to suit the LS , they showed it at this year's SEMA , attached to a LS
I mean one thing a power glide doesn’t have over the ZF 8HP is usability. It’s not like I could go to the strip and then the mall afterwards. That’s the beauty of having many gears AND the strength to suit. Plus it’s highly tunable these days although maybe being in SoCal helps with getting parts but either way it’s so worth it!
ZF 8hp is always in the power band and not an on/off switch style of driving of the old power glide. 10R80 is the fastest shifting TQ converter trans on the market.
Talks cheap. Too cheap infact
@@dgo9121 you should check the G meter on a dragy run with a 7 sec th400 equipped car, you keep talking about fast shifts until you realise you cant even see a G dip in a shift on a th400 when it only has to shift twice.... this youtube video and the guy making loves to imply that all these 8hp70's can take 1000hp, they might be able to take 1000hp when you yank a ton of torque from them as you shift 4-5 times, that makes them slower, they also cant 60ft or 330ft like a fast th400 car, and guess what, a billet manual valvebody 4L80E is a th400 with lockup and overdrive. so now the 8hp cant argue about the th400 not being lockup/od. trust me when i say this, an 8hp70 behind a powerful engine with lamik or cantcu or maxxecu controlled is a 5000-9000 dollar investment, to pray that a 800 dollar junk yard 8hp70 actually does live....
Bro , we have been doing zf swaps in the states for years . They are strong , hold good torque numbers , and they all have great gearing , but now that more people know of it , they going crazy in price 😅.. peace and love brotha, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on..l8r famz
8L and the 10 speed from GM/Ford with upgrades do pretty well too.
Meanwhile a bone stock, 5k AUD T-56 magnum will do 950nm.... If you don't need the automagic, the manual is far cheaper and easier to build if you need more than that.
I do love me an 8 speed v8 for daily duties though.
yeah need 3 cars, a daily, an 8hp toy & a manual toy
Manual is also lighter! Zf8 has a bit of heft
The old Albury-Wodonga Borg-Warner Single Rail 4 speed ( which was very different to the US BW SR 4 Speed) worked great in my old Valiant, oh & a hotted up P76 V8 I owned.
lol @ the haltech reference. same deal with the gm 6l80e control. ive been hounding them for years... worked with Link & they got me something to test in under 2 months.
8HP70 behind a big pump/turbo OM606 here, it's a game changer in terms of daily driveability and performance
Bro, they are putting these ZF8HP's in Greatwalls too....maddddddddddddddddddd
You would have to be mindful of the input shaft size and spline count. Like the Jeep ZF, they may be smaller.
I thought the 6HP26 has a 600nm limit from the factory, hence why all Falcon / FPV turbos and supercharged V8’s are kept below 600nm, even the GT-F and the sprint models.
The Ford licensed version called a 6R80 in the states is only supposed to be good for 800nm and guys were pushing 900Ft/Lbs and running 8s with a big Whipple on a Coyote in 2011.
Camaro's that were imported to Australia between 2018-2020 had 8 Speed Auto Gear-Box and Challengers with 5.7 HEMI also have 8 Speed Auto Gear-Box. Camaro's were using GM 8 Speed which had some issues with metal shards getting into Torque Converter. ZF 8 speed if you have the Money& go for it. the question is has it been done on Barra Engines yet ? Successfully ?
The irony is that it’s been done to a bunch of Barra’s in Europe, but only 2 Falcons in Aus so far.
@@fgmods if somebody has the Money$ to put 8 Speed Auto in a XR6 Turbo / F6 and the Transmission place confident they can do it, then it may be done.
It would be cool if u could contact the awd fg falcon dude. In his vid (with the basic barra turbo plus/ stage 2, what ever u wanna call it) it did a 2.9sec 0-100! He said he was building it for more power but we havent got an update for years 😔.
P.s Imagine an AWD 8HP falcon 👀
I’ve been thinking a lot about an AWD ZF8 falcon, the guy who built the AWD Falcon was definitly an inspiration.
we make an awd 2jz oil pan that uses the g80/f90 front diff for the zf8hp swaps, if you get me the barra oil pan 3d scan and a scan of the barra in the car and where the front axle plane is i can draw you an awd oil pan for barra that would work with barra and the bmw 3.15 final drive in cad .(the native 8hp ratio that hauls the most ass) or i can make it fit the trackhawk 3.73 ratio front diff. i make a lot of zf8hp parts for swaps.
8HP are plentiful and cheap in the UK, planning a swap with a OM605/606 for my Cherokee.
Isn't zf8 in the greatwall cannon's?
Did your grapevine source tell you anything about he possible timeline for the aussie based pixelated ECU manufacturer for native ZF8 support? great video btw, very informative.
No timeline. Last I heard they were working with a well known existing TCU controller maker. So IF they get native support it’s probably going to be quite advanced.
But it also seems like they’re hitting roadblocks and others are well ahead of them already.
Blueprint engines has a plug n play option to use a LS3 with a ZF8 👍🏻👍🏻
These are also standard in VW Amorok V6's, they come 550 nm standard👍
Saw the thumbnail. Instantly knew what it was about... 8HP
8hp everything!
I 8hp70 swapped my bmw n55 for $3000 and that includes labor, shipping, ISN reset and tuning.
Maxxecu.... Even the entry level ecu has full zf8hp control and uses the dodge demon firmware on all 8hp70 and 45 boxes
MaxxECU has 8HP45, 8HP70 and 8HP90 are currently Supported and Working OFFICIAL Beta
Interesting. Their website still says they might be coming in the future. Good to know they’ve already got it working and supported
I think it is more than 1 or 2 years out before they become very popular and that price tag man here i am thinking about a turbo ls swap with a junkyard 4l80e with a hd2 kit in it so like $500 all in or the trans
When’s the Barra swapped Hilux back ?
Big things are happening with it right now.
So hopefully another episode of the build will be out in a few weeks.
Yep. Getting ready to swap my hp6 to a hp8.
Which car from bmw do you pull the gearbox from?
That Falcon looks like a front drive Malibu.
Great video
You can bet your dollars on shift programming are being locked by manufacturers. I had ZF8 fitted to BMW M5, and the shifts,logic, and tuning were day and night different to my mum's RR fitted with the same transmission. I'd wager it would be very expensive too.
Which is a big advantage the controllers like HTG have by utilising the factory TCU, thousands of hours by engineers perfecting the ZF/BMW logic.
@@hellothere4342 the Turbo Lamik does the same thing with the chip you solder to the mechtronic , and it's self learning to always give the best performance it can , you can change and program everything with the Turbo-lamik .
@@kenmackay9276 I would love to have one fitted to my VE SSV. Is there more information on this? Surely LS crowd could benefit from better transmission.
@@fgmods it would be interesting for sure. This programming side of thing is well beyond my capabilities. Just knowing first hand how good it is in BMW and that's where my standards would be set. I've got the 9g tronics in my C63s. Even though it's a newer gearbox it's nowhere close to ZF. Doesn't help that I've already had recall for valve complications repairs under warranty.
@@hellothere4342 And it's not only BMW , Bentley Aston Martin , Range Rovers , Jaguars and Dodge . Also there is a big aftermarket for high performance internals .
Sonnax, is a very big name with parts , most people know of them for their GM Powerglide turbo 350 turbo 400, 4l80 performance parts .
Raybestos have the RGPZ-018 HEAVY DUTY CLUTCHES
& Raybestos STMZ-019 STEEL CLUTCHES , THEY MUST BE USED TOGETHER .
There are already Land Cruisers, Skylines and even an RX3 with yhe ZF 8HP and TurboLamik
Depending on the mileage on this transmission, it can run you between $800-2500+ used.
rated 260nm seems wrong on 6 speed
maybe pound feet?
au made 354nm at the flywheel 25 years ago
Can we find a GM version in the states
For a LS , Blueprint has just started fitting the 8hp to LS motors and it's available through them 🎉
Amg e55 gbox is a powa house 1000nm capable from factory
I would like to put 1 of these z8 into my toyota aristo jzs161
same. their prices have skyrocketed though, and becoming unobtanium
I have been saying this for years. Been waiting for years. Unfortunately, I want to adapt it to a defunct application that nobody really cares about.
Great video, this is been going on now for about 2 years.. as you mentioned the worst hurdle was the proprietary TCU that was in the zf.. i believe the Turbolamik is by far a better choice..we are about to install the ZF 8 into my sons Jag v-12, xjs.. and we have a Maxx ecu in the jag.. will be interesting..
Ive looked into it. And from what ive seen the 75 will be cooked by a 600kw barra and building it is uncertain and expensive.
The built zf tho expensive bolts straight in . But at 700kws even the best ones are unreliable.
So you end up back at th400
There’s quite a lot of cars with that kind of power using 8HP70 boxes. Weight of the car and how you drive is obviously a big factor.
My thinking (and what I’ve experienced) is that the ZF8 is so much faster given its newer superior technology, that there’s just no need to chase high HP (even though it can handle a LOT stock) It can make lower HP cars go way faster than something with 1000hp and a t400.
8hp are in 7 second cars. So they hold 1300hp in Australia or 1500hp in USA.
best ones aren't unreliable, just too expensive that you do think twice before buying the best one, Monstatorque is running 7's with their full weight shop car they are warrantying it too so should be interesting. gotta pay to play though.
Rvo has 1500hp zf6 speeds
@@blrn54 haha nice
Fuck that just get a lenco transmission...they are strong af and they shift instantly
When you decide to do any of this with english translations, I will watch it. JK love from Canada
Also powere the hellcats and demons etc
Ha and all my mates used to hang shit on anyone with a tcu gearbox or even a dgs gearbox. My car walks all over their cars even with almost 100kw less. They are great for daily driving but can handle a shit load of power and shift lightning fast.
I feel like you are twelve months behind the world, people are already moving to the Asian 8 speed and the 10 speeds version available.
Asian 8 speed?
@@AdmissionGaming no one knows what that dude is talking about don't mind him
The actual advantages of the ZF8 are pretty massive against a 4-speed, but the 6HP variants (6L/R80) are very well scienced out at this point as well, and they don't give up much vs the 8HP.
I dunno. They make a good street car transmission, and potentially a good "fun car" trans, but it remains to be seen if they'll get adapted to hold to the abuse of drag applications like ye olde 4L80E. Probably not, because by the time you're at 4L80E or TH400 power levels in a drag application, you're abusing the torque converter on every shift and letting it make up for the relatively wide spread.
Maybe if the price was cheaper, they would be viable because comparing a zf6 built to the cost of a zf8 thats bog stock and has a higer risk of failure it just aint really worth it. If they where mabe 3k buy in for the box it would be viable but with the cost for one installed at 19k from another comment that isnt viable. You could swap a zf6 and do a mild turbo build for the same cost a zf8 installed
I hear ya- BUT I suspect a well sorted Powerglide would be just as fast down the 1/4- although on the street rhere'd be no comparison. I've got a big HP RB30 powerwd R31 with a big dollar Trimatic behind it. It was the worst decision I ever made (besides fitting a Microtech 12C ECU 15 yrs ago 🤦🤣). I've had constant problems with breaking hard parts where there aren't any aftermarket options for upgrade. Yes it's a physically light box and it's relatively efficient and doesn't absorb a lot of power like a TH400 does- BUT it's come at the price of reliability. No doubt the car is faster (off the footbrake- can't trans brake it if I'm blowing it up launching off the foot brake) with this particular Trimatic compared to a TH400- but then again I could launch with more boost AND use a trans brake which would more than make up for whatever power you lose at the wheels with the TH400. But I'm talking about $7,000 - $8,000 built boxes. Hi Stalls level the playing field with these boxes with lots more gears. Yes, technically they keep you in the power band but when a torque converter is operating with slip it's actually a torque multiplier. That's lart of the rwadon Powerglides work so well it a drag application... I'd rather a TH400 and a Gear Vendors overdrive unit replacing the factory extension housing... It'd be much more reliable in extreme operation usage with big HP builds
The th400
Na falcon has the 6hp21, less clutches, Smaller intermediate shaft
6HP21 was used in some later model MK2’s and FGX, but the NA falcons before that used a 6HP26, just with fewer clutches and smaller torque converter.
This was inevitable. Manufacturers were putting that shxt on everything like hot sauce lol. All the germans except Benz and almost all the muscle Americans have sone variant of 8HP
If only it was a standard.
Or for a fraction of the cost you can go a 80 year old gm design with 3 speeds thats no slower.....
They ARE slower, if you have to build a 2000HP engine to make cars with 3 and 4 speed boxes just as fast as cars with 500HP and newer 6, 8 and 10 speed boxes, than they are literally slower
I was expecting 10l90
Still sounds like it's cheaper to buy a bulletproof 4l80
WAAY cheaper from the sound of it yes.
Dream build is an alloy block Boss 5.4 or Barra turbo with a ZF 8 speed. ZF is lighter than the ZF 6 speed.
I'd move the battery to the boot and reconfigure the rear end suspension to handle some wider rear tyres.
Suspension wise just an adjustable front sway bar.
So you'd have a lighter front end and the FG would be lighter on its feet.
Isn't an alloy block 5.4 a coyote?
There were aluminum block 5.4 and 5.8L DOHC sold in GT500s, I wouldn't waste my money or time. A 6.8 or 7.3 Godzilla is significantly better and I would run a 6R140 modular bolt pattern with internals used to survive behind a full tilt 6.7L diesel.
@@hendo337 5.4 iron block has plenty of potential. Gap Sauce on TH-cam has got his BA GT to run an 11.8 second Qtr mile.
The 8 speed is a great box with great tech, but saying they are faster then a 3 speed is a very naive statement. If they make a car faster then why does all the promod boys who run 5sec 200+mph run either 3 speed TH400's and 2 speed Th400's? A 3 or 2 speed with the right converter and right gear set will always be faster then 6 ,8 or 10 speeds.
The things you’re comparing aren’t really comparable, the TH400’s and glides in those cars are super expensive and built strictly for racing. Also, the engines in those cars have the torque to make up for the difference between ratios. If you compare the stock ZF8 to a TH400 built to take the same power and you put both in the same car the 8 would be quicker, faster, and more fuel efficient. The ZF may be more expensive but that’s kind of based on where you get both transmissions and ultimately value is up to the individual. I’m definitely interested in the 8HP for street/strip builds because highway speeds in a 2-3 speed is terrible.
People don't daily drive 6 sec drag cars, bud.....
@@jamesgeorge4874 To be fair he's right, but yeah most are no where near that level, 8hp definitely better for most streeters
Stating “always” is absolutely incorrect! You don’t understand area under the torque curve in different rpm ranges!
Naive,naive is you comparing lets say 750kw/1000nm vs a 5500hp+ promod ......
Not all pro mods run a 2,3 speed a few pro mods running 5 &7 speed air shift liberty's
48re mike drop
I got a used 8hp70 for 150$
TH400 will be around for another 20 years +
Who has that kind of money to put into a toy? I know I don’t! I’ll stick with the old school trans!
Rich people will use the zf8, 10k rebuild to handle power...
It's about the same price for a top th400 rebuild / Upgrade plus including Sonnax race parts plus extra for Reid case
10 speeds are taking over not 8
the 8hp90 in a hellcat is way better
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This rotary is running one.
Seems like it will great.
Cool vid dude, cheapest solution teach your falcon ecu to speak German problem solved
ECU: Shift you swine, trans: nein lol
nah its slow to change gear i dont like it ..
Then it's not running a Turbo-lamik TCM , as you can tune Violent Shifts in them , throw in Raybestos Fibre GPZ-018 clutches and the Raybestos STMZ-019 Steel clutches for insane power .
Hahaha this guy obviously doesn't understand there's more to it, look up what happened when Brett LaSala or anyone else swap from a factory style trans like a 6R etc and go 'Glide or TH400 lol they all went quicker
Let’s check back in 12 to 24 months and see how confident you are in t400 superiority then.
@@fgmods To be fair my thoughts are the 8hp is better for most all rounder cars but I wouldn't be surprised if the old drag transmissions are still at the top for drag, I'm keen af on an 8hp swap, always need a manual though which means another car & bigger garage, cars are expensive lol
htg is a scam and is no longer a thing- a lot of burned customers
They definitely ran into some issues that seem to have brought the project to a halt.
However if you have one of their units and the knowledge to set up and use it they’re incredibly powerful.
@@fgmods yeah but based on their current situation alone i'd never recommend them let alone mention their name at this point, turbolamik and cantcu are household names in this space now
about to? brother youre literally 4 years late on this video lol. weve been sticking these gearboxes behind 1500+hp engines for a good while. people laughed, now they dm us for parts.
I’m talking about using them in Falcons, there’s like 2 in all of Aus
Eww gross! Its an automatic!
This video is pretty late to the game
It's well ahead of all the Falcon owners and shops who are only just catching up now. There's only 2 ZF8 swapped Falcon's so far.
I've been talking about this for years already. It's just now Falcon owners are finally taking it seriously... After the rest of the car world has already been doing it.
Or just buy a ZF from Monsta Torque for 9k that comes with a converter and it will be better.
Zf8 is cool tho. If they can get it to be more of a bolt in package it will be good.
I give it 6 months and big ZF6 builders like monsta torque will be providing ZF8 options. In fact I’ve already seen a couple of known names say on their FB etc that they’re working on ZF8 build options.
Fixed heaps of these in vw's and jeeps. Unless it's the ZF8H90, forget it. Buckets of shit. You're on the money with the 6R80. Stangs do really well with stock boxes.
Lol the th400 ain't old news, there's a reason it's the king. I think you'd have a hard time telling all the 7, 8 and 9 second street cars that 8 speeds is better than 3😂
It’s not even a hard argument to make. I did it in the video. Showed how the cost is similar for a much faster car by using 8speed
@@fgmods Thing is at the power levels of a 7s or better car, you don't need all the gears, you already have more power/torque than you can put down in those few gears.
@@fgmods”Faster” where? A lot of 2 speed (power glide) cars in the USA that’d beg to disagree! Tons of T400’s disagreeing too! 😂 Hell….top fuel is one speed. Bottom line, with enough power, less shifting is actually faster than more shifting.
New flash 6 cylinder sux.. barra is just a cross flow 😂 v8 are for men
T400 will hold 5,000hp no barra comes close 😂