@@Mr_Glenn I have two 600’s and an R1M. That litre bike is just a different level though. Still prefer the 600’s though for riding. Greta handling, lower first gear, and corner so well at the race track.
@@ZacharyDimas you definitely don’t own a liter bike 🤣 they have far more low end torque, launch control, and first gear on my R1M will hit 75, shift gears and you’re already passing 100. They are not very slow and it will smoke both of my R6’s stock.
@@ZacharyDimasno they don’t. Know your stuff before you comment stuff like this. They go 0-60 in 2.7 seconds 😂in what world is that slow. They accelerate faster than almost anything else on the street. Only few hypercars can accelerate faster than a 1000cc bike and it’s because those cars are hybrid/electric. Wait until our Superbikes are hybrid or fully electric then it’s all over with due to power:weight ratio.
@@therealdrtydanlol😂😂 don't let that f4i get jealous man.. tell her it's still a nice ride.. I used to have a r1 and they are a bit nicer but those honda f4i are a work of art
A month ago my father hit the wall doing 170 mph on 101 in Phoenix, AZ. A last second hard swerve and sheer absolute luck sent him off the bike, rolling across the highway. He went from dying instantaneously to being able to walk away with not one broken bone. This is absurdly lucky, and i couldnt be thankful enough. Ride safe.
100% truth. I just rented a 150cc on my vacation and I had more fun in that little thing that I ever did in my zx10r. Definitely considering a smaller bike now
@@codyeller7606 you can handle the bike but after a certain point of power it's fucking pointless . My bike is nowhere near the power of this one it has 100 hp and 100 nm of tork and thats more than enough to go triple digits real fast and even do a powerwheelie and all of these while being really comfortable. Tell me whats the point of upgrading to a bike with almost double the power than mine while also being uncomfortable as hell.
This is 100% true. A 250-300, especially doing track days, will teach you things u just never learn on a 600-1k. There’s a guy who goes to little talladega all the time on a 250 and he passes 600’s and 1k’s constantly. They catch him on the straights at first but after a couple laps, he builds a lead big enough that the straight isn’t long enough for them to catch him. He just keeps pulling away from em. Fact is, u learn effective cornering faster and more thoroughly on a 250 because u don’t have all that power to make up for sub par breaking, entry speed, line selection, throttle management and exit drive/timing. U can also be more relaxed and learn more about feel and bar feedback. U have a better understanding of what the bike and the tires are telling you in a corner. The better u are with the 250 with those things, the better that knowledge transfers to bigger bikes. Ppl who learned by doing track days on a 250, are safer and faster on any bike they decide to hop on. I’d put that guy on a 600 against anyone on a 1k besides pro racers.
U made the best comment on this entire video. If u ever get the chance, PLEASE do a track day. I promise you it’ll be the most fun u ever had on a bike. Nothing else even comes close and this is coming from someone who lives less than an hour from Deals Gap “The Dragon” us-129 (look it up). I wish I could convey how much fun that shit is.
I love my 400. It’s my city bike. Works just fine as I race from stop light to stop light. I can see how a 600 would be nice for some highway, but its more than enough to keep up with traffic.
Same, my ninja 400 feels so good. Probably because i started riding only 2 months ago but i still dont think i will buy 600 in next couple of years. And in city riding traffic needs to keep up with you, not the other way around lol
I personally enjoy my 1000 I’m sure 600s are more fun and quick but I like being able to have all that power and speed when I want it, I also thought 7k for a clean 09 r1 was a decent deal
Having owned both, the 600 is not more fun or quicker. In fact, the 600 is almost unridable on the street, in comparison, just because of the tiny torque figures, alone.
@@jared123123 not at all. I’ve dailied both. I have the same torque as the 600 at 3500 rpm’s on my 1000. I save gas, oil consumption, and comfort by not having to rev four times higher than my 1000 just to get from stoplight to stoplight. When comparing a 600 to a literbike on the street, the 600 is almost unridable. I’ll never go back. I would buy a naked middleweight before I would buy another 600 supersport to ride on the street.
Yes I agree, having the extra power and torque when needed has kept me safe. Ride aggressive an stay alert. Good deal, Some great bikes were made in those years. I love my 08 gsxr 1k, found it for a good price to.
I used to daily a cbr1000 through Manila's finest traffic. It could be a pain at times when I get stuck in rush hour traffic, but whenever I park it, I justcan't help but look back and admire my bike.
It's more fun to ride a "slow bike" fast over a "fast bike" slow. The peak of fun on a slow bike is redline, the peak on a fast bike is the moment before tragedy.
You don't even need a 600 for the street if the rationale is that most people can't get peak performance out of the liter bike. Most people won't get it out of the 600 either. Hell, most riders couldn't push a Ninja 250 to 100% on the street.
There is a more usual difference between those who ride a 600cc and 1000cc. In that the former are less inclined to make lame justifications as if the power is necessary. Rather they already know it's overkill. People on 1000cc however more typically have a certain ego about why it's required. As if the extra torque and power is necessary. All in all I don't judge what someone rides but when they start capping is when it starts getting ridiculous. Be so much easier if people were just honest about why they buy it and it doesn't have to be for practical reasons.
I like my ninja 400 but compared to my 650 its smoother, comfortable, less vibration iusse normal (had to remove the horn on the 400), slightly heavy which to isnt a bad thing to me, might even be better at stoping with duel rotors. I bought my 650 this year new and already have 2500 miles on it. Just all round a great bike just sharing my opinion.
100% agree. Started on an Aprilia RSv4, rented an r6 for a few days and had more fun on that than my RSv4. It’s more nimble and you shit through more gears. You’re pretty much in 1st or 2nd all the time on a liter bike.
Buying a 1k as your first sportbike is just a guarantee that you’ll always be the least skilled and slowest learner. You’ll be the slowest in the mountains/canyons and only fast on interstate straightaways. U could be on your 4th year on your 1k and a rider who did 1yr and 5 track days on a 250 would hop on a 600 and absolutely SMOKE u on the track or in the canyons/mountains/curves. There are 250 riders that smoke 1k riders at track days and in the curves all the time. Anybody can pin the throttle on a straightaway but only the few can put boogers on the tires and most of the booger boys started on something OTHER than a 1k🤷🏼♂️
This is a personal preference, like driving a sports car or muscle car. I've ridden everything from a 550 to a 1500. It really depends on where and how you ride. I don't ride highway so I prefer a middle weight, naked inline 4. A highway guy will need a 1200 to 1500 cc v-twin, or Goldwing. Don't cancel a class of motorcycles because you don't see it's use. We need as many choices as possible.
Yeah some people buy sportbikes just for how they look, but they don't use or need the power, and ride them in ways the machine does not agree with. The torquey R7 is great, it looks pretty, the engine is less aggressive its still competition focused though for when you open it up. More forgiving of a bike, people should get those and the RS660 more often.
I've have been saying the same thing for years... Over 45 years of riding experience. And, once I got humbled by 600's on my R1 I went down to a 600 to end up buying a sumo 450. Best most fun bike I've ever owned (rode). Wont ever ride anything bigger then that again.... No need too...
I also had a yamaha r1 but I think I'm going with the bmw f900r naked bike next.. it has about the same hp as 600cc super sport bikes like the r6 or the cbr 600rr
@R6trackaddict66 wow that's awesome .. that means you started riding at age 12.. at round the same age I started riding motocross bikes but I don't have close the experience you have ... riding all those years, I bet you are one he'll of a rider... stay safe my brother and many blessings to you and your family!
@@Ninimara952 Yeah, started on a Honda trail 70cc. And, fell in love. But, I started riding BMX stunts first at age 7. Kept on BMX while learning how to ride motos. The transition was very easy for me. It's funny how at my age I still like (and can ride fast) going fast. Lol. You also stay safe and on 2 wheels. Or 1 LMAO. Blessings rider!🤝
A dear friend of mine bought an R1 as a first bike. Despite protests from friends and family, he was adamant. A few weeks later, he lost control and was cut in half by a tree. That was 12 years ago and the sight of that is still vivid in my head. Stupid bastard.
1000cc bikes are nice for freeway riding because you got extra power to pass cars quickly or get out of the way of someone. Plus youre not constanly in the higher RPM range.
Lol 1000s are great but thats a bad argument in favor of them.. 600s have plenty to haul ass and get around anything. And theyre happy at high rpm so whats the problem with it
@@pootmahgoots8482 - That is some serious reach there man. Pretty sure the cost in insurance will exponentially offset anything you "save" in fuel economy.
@@eljefe9377 did quotes on bikes and I believe most who own a 1000 don't get full coverage. I have a perfect record at age 29, with USAA (they transferred me over to Progressive), have the "M" on my license and these are the quotes: - R3 and CBR500R - $72/month - CBR650R - $240/month - R1 - $500/month All 2022 models 300cc class it is for me
Basically anything bigger than 500cc will mop the floor with 90%of the cars on the road. To me naked bikes hit the sweet spot: torque lower in the revs, less back pain and cheaper insurance and all the fun of sport bikes.My duke 690 is basically a tractor a low rpm and you can very easily exceed the speed limit without realising it. No need to go 200mph to pass other cars, you only need to go faster than them;)
yup unless you are over 7-8 thousand rpm, the 600 has no grunt. so you are basically riding around in 2nd gear if you want access to the power you need to be able to get the hell out the way of some idiot who is about to smush you into the the concrete barricade that divides the highway! on my 1000? it doesn't really matter what gear I'm in i crank the throttle and I'm clear of "the smushing" and alive to ride some more!
The 750 is the perfect city bike. Low end grunt for that instant acceleration but the confidence and flickability of a 600. It’s also the best bike on track day. U eat 1,000s for breakfast. It’s hilarious passing them and then watching them struggle with late breaking to try to make up ground on the straight.
You really dont need a big machine in a city like NYC... _but_ if he is inexperienced or not it should be his decision, and his alone, how to waste his own money (if it's really his own money) and some modell's only exsist as 1000ccm bike's and looking hella smexy. Even a Car in NYC whould be nonsense for be but still, everyone should make his own decision.
@@rodrigovaccari7547 Ah, then it really is bether that way, hehe. Some thing are diferrent and more expensive in amerika, here in europe it's ok to take a little loan to buy a vehicle as long as the expenses in the year are in your budget. I even have one if my motorcycles licence plate's and stuff nor even from my own home country becouse the exoenses in my neighbouring country are for motorcycles more cheaper, that's a great thing when you live in the EU. ☆
I love my S1000RR and even though there are some advantages when picking a 600, I wouldn‘t want anything else than my 1000. Maybe getting a 600 as a second bike though
I rode my dad's 125cc bike when I was a kid (I still do) But now I've rode my friends bikes who have 350, 500, 900cc motorcycles and now I'm planning to get one of mine becuz I learnt to ride every bike possible dirt bikes, sports bikes, Scramblers but I loved the Cruiser. So going for an Indian Scout or BMW R18. Wish me luck and some suggestions if you have 🤞😅
Agreed. But the power of a 1000 can be a lot of fun to some. That’s the point of motorcycling in the first place. 600’s are often faster through the really twisty bits, though. No motorcycle is safe. Just practice and choose your battles (if any) wisely. Sorry for your loss.
I have a 2014 crf250l and a 2012 ninja 650. Surprisingly, the 650 has been awesome around town & long trips. It has enough torque and hp to get going whenever i want to without breaking the aound barrier. Still, my 250l is an all around hoot to scoot around on/off road. Stay safe fellow riders!
Lol! I agree with you.. back in my days before Harley… I rode a Busa, but because I’m 6’2”, 250 lbs. I was not confortable in a 750 or less… my legs would cramp. Man I miss my Busa… great Vids BTW.
I started on a tuned modded zx10r. Its 200hp stock. Just because you have all the power doesnt mean you need to use it all the time. I have a fast car too so i have the chill you need. I do go fast but theres a time and place.
U explained it beautifully, looking to get my first bike and generally I like power but this video makes so much sense I'm no longer going to gloat over big bikes anymore
No one ever? Nope, plenty of people unfortunately Are you wrong about the point you're making, hell no. It's negligible and not a point worth making unless all you do is make U-turns I don't know why so many people perpetuate that. Just a white lie for younger riders
@@ihateeverything3972it’s not negligible AT ALL in the mountains or on the track. There’s a reason u see a lot 1ks getting passed by 600’s and DEFINITELY 750’s at track days. Most 1k riders would be faster on a 750 and maybe even a 600 everywhere besides a straight line on the interstate and the back straight on a track.
Facts! Here in the Philippines in the highway the speed limit is only 60kph and in the expressway the speed limit is only 110kph to 120kph maximum. So, why should we get a liter bike? 400cc is enough. My underbone 150cc motorcycle can do 135kph top speed and that's all stock. HAHAHA! I have a close friend who bought a 2023 zx10r but he's like an idiot, he can't drive it above 60kph in the highway and 120kph in the expressway. He's a total small brainer. He still paying it in the bank for 5 years.
My daily rider is an R1 💀 I gave other bikes... such as YZFR-125 and ZX6R (both for Track use) and a Hyabusa (Non Turbo Project bike). The R1 feels more like a glorified scooter half the time just keep it in 1st gear, only time the R1 is any fun is on the motorway with adjustable numberplate 😅
Having that extra power can actually save you in an emergency. But it can also kill you. Just like any size bike. What ever bike suits you is the right one.
I'm glad someone said it. I ride 350s and 500s in Thailand. Used a 1,000cc and a 650cc v-strom and 850cc Boulevard in the States. Preferred the 650, lighter, more agile, plenty enough torque for getting off the line at stop lights and for overtaking, better gas mileage, cheaper price tag.
While I agree that we can’t use one to its potential, my 2021 cbr1000rr is not heavier than my 2006 cbr600rr was. It’s two pounds lighter. It also has the same amount of torque at 3,000 rpm that the 600 had at peak torque, making it WAY easier to ride on the street. I got mine new last august with zero miles, and because it was new, old stock, I got it for $15,000.
@@thagingerninjer5391 that's how its suppose to be. I've got my bike for 1.5 months and Ive got 1.5+k miles on it. I might have you beat in a year, and I historically ride year round even in the ice and snow.
@@jakegarrett8109 I ride year round, too. I won’t ride when it’s snowing or there’s ice out, but that was only one or two days this last winter. If I lived somewhere colder, that received more precipitation, I would probably have a dual sport as well, or get studded tires.
Yet another way to say "with great power, comes great responsibility". Nothing wrong with liter bikes if you know what you're doing and HIGHLY disciplined. Unfortunately too many see it as an ego booster.
Most 1k riders would be faster on a 750 and maybe a 600 everywhere but the back straight on a track and a straight line on the interstate. They usually end up being more skilled riders than 1k riders too.
My old 1100 slabby is a nightmare here in Aus,there's either a cop,speed camera,revenue raiser or arsehole cutting in front of you around every corner might as well be on a CT90
As someone who’s had an R6 and an R1, I promise you the R1 is much funner and cuts through highway wind much cleaner than a 600. To his point, the R1 did almost kill me in 2014 and haven’t rode since.
Not gonna lie here in Europe, specially Spain, you can get a liter bike for the same price of a 600cc in second hand market. It is sad but r6 are like 13-15k while fireblades or gixxers are 10k
Cc isn’t always translating to hp. Sometimes you have like 900-1000cc with just 80hp-95hp. The benefit of it is that you have more torque in low ref and no torque pikes in high ref. Making the bike smoother to ride. It personal preference which one you like more. But other than I absolutely agree, more than 120hp is useless also in Germany
it has about 50-60% more power not 200% (double)more power - not double the horse power, this dude always talking out of his ass in every video
R6 112hp 45ftlb torque, R1 198hp 83ftlb - 177% more hp and 190% more torque you fkin IDIOT
probably a gixxer rider
@@adobomotowait what? Did you dropped out of school or something?
Both wrong lol… if one has 100 hp then the 200 hp then it has 100% more power and total of 200% not 200% more
@@adobomoto Are you learning disabled or something an extra 82 horse power is not an 177% increase.
I ride my s1000r 7 minutes each morning. 10/10 would recommend
Nice I intend to pick up a gen2. And if my defense bmw doesn't do 600.. lol what can I do
Makes it quick for the 15 mile comute though.
Nothing better than using the heated grips, while doing 120 on cruise control without a wind shield
I have a 2015 myself and its amazing in every way. For long highwaytrips i just mount a touring windscreen and im good to go ✌️
@@jakegarrett8109repent and believe the gospel
Reasons to own a litre bike:
1. The sound
2. The look
3. The insane rush of its 0-100
4. Better electronics and tech
5. Keep your thighs toasty
Just about all of these can be achieved with a modern 600.
@@Mr_Glenn I have two 600’s and an R1M. That litre bike is just a different level though. Still prefer the 600’s though for riding. Greta handling, lower first gear, and corner so well at the race track.
1,000s go very slow 0-60 .... lmfao
@@ZacharyDimas you definitely don’t own a liter bike 🤣 they have far more low end torque, launch control, and first gear on my R1M will hit 75, shift gears and you’re already passing 100. They are not very slow and it will smoke both of my R6’s stock.
@@ZacharyDimasno they don’t. Know your stuff before you comment stuff like this. They go 0-60 in 2.7 seconds 😂in what world is that slow. They accelerate faster than almost anything else on the street. Only few hypercars can accelerate faster than a 1000cc bike and it’s because those cars are hybrid/electric. Wait until our Superbikes are hybrid or fully electric then it’s all over with due to power:weight ratio.
My R1 scares me, but i love it.
Wanna sell your r1 sir😊
when it doesnt scare you anymore thats when you have a problem
My CBR600F4 always gets jealous when I see an R1 on the road 😂
@@therealdrtydanlol😂😂 don't let that f4i get jealous man.. tell her it's still a nice ride.. I used to have a r1 and they are a bit nicer but those honda f4i are a work of art
If it scares you, then you are on the right track...if it doesn't, then you are heading for trouble
A month ago my father hit the wall doing 170 mph on 101 in Phoenix, AZ. A last second hard swerve and sheer absolute luck sent him off the bike, rolling across the highway. He went from dying instantaneously to being able to walk away with not one broken bone.
This is absurdly lucky, and i couldnt be thankful enough. Ride safe.
Omg. I was the one that stopped and helped him. I was so worried. Thank heavens he's OK.
God is great 🙏🏾
Not just luck. Intelligence as well because he was OBVIOUSLY wearing his gear to have that outcome. Atgatt is a religion!
@@hillbillyjustice8213intelligence wouldn't ride at 170 on a public road
JESUS is what saved your dad
A big bike doesnt make you crash. But a big Ego will.
100% truth. I just rented a 150cc on my vacation and I had more fun in that little thing that I ever did in my zx10r. Definitely considering a smaller bike now
Called grow a pair and handle the bike.
Stop letting the bike handle you.
@@codyeller7606 you can handle the bike but after a certain point of power it's fucking pointless . My bike is nowhere near the power of this one it has 100 hp and 100 nm of tork and thats more than enough to go triple digits real fast and even do a powerwheelie and all of these while being really comfortable. Tell me whats the point of upgrading to a bike with almost double the power than mine while also being uncomfortable as hell.
@codyeller7606 LMAAAAAOOOO the most squid answer yet 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
What 150 did you get?
Twisting the throttle to the max is more fun. You'll never twist a 1000cc to full throttle
Bring back the 400cc super sports from the 90’s.
He hates GIXXERS because he's always has to smell the exhaust. 😂
Well, at least he aint getting scraped off the pavement like a lot of gixxer riders tend to.
🔥
Why he say that about gxr 1000 lol I don’t get it.. thinking about getting 750
Oof lol
He ain’t smelling the exhaust on that Aprillia. Just sayin. That’s one of the meanest bikes ever made. Fine motorcycle.
What most need is a 250-300. Great mpg while having a blast. Bought an mt-10 with 30mpg avg lol. Still having a blast though.
This is 100% true. A 250-300, especially doing track days, will teach you things u just never learn on a 600-1k. There’s a guy who goes to little talladega all the time on a 250 and he passes 600’s and 1k’s constantly. They catch him on the straights at first but after a couple laps, he builds a lead big enough that the straight isn’t long enough for them to catch him. He just keeps pulling away from em. Fact is, u learn effective cornering faster and more thoroughly on a 250 because u don’t have all that power to
make up for sub par breaking, entry speed, line selection, throttle management and exit drive/timing. U can also be more relaxed and learn more about feel and bar feedback. U have a better understanding of what the bike and the tires are telling you in a corner.
The better u are with the 250 with those things, the better that knowledge transfers to bigger bikes. Ppl who learned by doing track days on a 250, are safer and faster on any bike they decide to hop on. I’d put that guy on a 600 against anyone on a 1k besides pro racers.
U made the best comment on this entire video. If u ever get the chance, PLEASE do a track day. I promise you it’ll be the most fun u ever had on a bike. Nothing else even comes close and this is coming from someone who lives less than an hour from Deals Gap “The Dragon” us-129 (look it up).
I wish I could convey how much fun that shit is.
My goal in life is to have both low cc and high cc in life so I can pick based on how I’m feeling ☺️ I’m keep working towards that goal
I love my 400. It’s my city bike. Works just fine as I race from stop light to stop light.
I can see how a 600 would be nice for some highway, but its more than enough to keep up with traffic.
Same, my ninja 400 feels so good. Probably because i started riding only 2 months ago but i still dont think i will buy 600 in next couple of years. And in city riding traffic needs to keep up with you, not the other way around lol
Ninja 400 is definitely my favorite bike by far. Unfortunately, just a few hours ago, I lost a fight against gravel and now she's no more... 😭
@@dart.115don't worry, that other one teasing the grim reaper, u'll be fine...
@@dart.115 ohh no, too bad to hear that😔
@@dart.115 Sorry to hear that mate. Glad you’re ok.
My Ninja was stolen on Easter.
Got my replacement a few weeks ago.
I personally enjoy my 1000 I’m sure 600s are more fun and quick but I like being able to have all that power and speed when I want it, I also thought 7k for a clean 09 r1 was a decent deal
I had an 06 R6 and a 2010 R1, sold the R6 cause I never touched it after I got the R1 aha
Having owned both, the 600 is not more fun or quicker. In fact, the 600 is almost unridable on the street, in comparison, just because of the tiny torque figures, alone.
Lol “unrideable” is absolutely a stretch.
@@jared123123 not at all. I’ve dailied both. I have the same torque as the 600 at 3500 rpm’s on my 1000. I save gas, oil consumption, and comfort by not having to rev four times higher than my 1000 just to get from stoplight to stoplight. When comparing a 600 to a literbike on the street, the 600 is almost unridable. I’ll never go back. I would buy a naked middleweight before I would buy another 600 supersport to ride on the street.
Yes I agree, having the extra power and torque when needed has kept me safe. Ride aggressive an stay alert. Good deal, Some great bikes were made in those years. I love my 08 gsxr 1k, found it for a good price to.
I used to daily a cbr1000 through Manila's finest traffic. It could be a pain at times when I get stuck in rush hour traffic, but whenever I park it, I justcan't help but look back and admire my bike.
😁
and thats why scooters are the best selling here
@@ineedmorecarrots6063no its because people do t have the money
Jeepny dodging , one of the busiest places to drive ! Chaos 😂
Manila… respect bro. Respect.
It's more fun to ride a "slow bike" fast over a "fast bike" slow. The peak of fun on a slow bike is redline, the peak on a fast bike is the moment before tragedy.
How are riding a slow bike fast, if the bike is slow?
After this short, I checked you channel, and literally the first video is why a 1000cc sportbike is the best commuter lol
GSXR 750 is perfect.
Got a 82 GS750. Awesome bike
I agree,had an 09 gixxer 750 it was a fun bike
Amen!
K7 750, wicked bike all around
Just got an 04 for the track
Bro the gixxer jokes get me every time 😂
specially since he's owned 4 or 6 of them so all he's doing is making fun of himself. in other words he's taken it in the rear lol
@@geneortiz6334the wuss says
im new here why does he make fun the gixxers?
Not all gixxers. Literally NOBODY who really knows, views Gsxr-750 riders the same as other gixxer riders.
'98 R1 was my first bike...loved every minute of it.
I ride a ZX14R. Love it.
You do have to control the urge. But you can't beat the feel of it.
Sorry about your friend. I have lost a couple on 2 wheels too.
You don't even need a 600 for the street if the rationale is that most people can't get peak performance out of the liter bike. Most people won't get it out of the 600 either. Hell, most riders couldn't push a Ninja 250 to 100% on the street.
There is a more usual difference between those who ride a 600cc and 1000cc. In that the former are less inclined to make lame justifications as if the power is necessary. Rather they already know it's overkill.
People on 1000cc however more typically have a certain ego about why it's required. As if the extra torque and power is necessary.
All in all I don't judge what someone rides but when they start capping is when it starts getting ridiculous. Be so much easier if people were just honest about why they buy it and it doesn't have to be for practical reasons.
@@ThermicLight agreed. The only thing that I'd get a liter bike for is that sweet R1 exhaust. Otherwise the power just isn't needed.
That's why I love my 350cc bike, it's easier to ride, easier to maintain, and because that's all I can afford
Thats the best kind of bike: the one you have and the one you can afford
Little 300s are solid and will make you the faster rider in the long run respect
I like my ninja 400 but compared to my 650 its smoother, comfortable, less vibration iusse normal (had to remove the horn on the 400), slightly heavy which to isnt a bad thing to me, might even be better at stoping with duel rotors. I bought my 650 this year new and already have 2500 miles on it. Just all round a great bike just sharing my opinion.
got some much needed gixxer lore
100% agree. Started on an Aprilia RSv4, rented an r6 for a few days and had more fun on that than my RSv4. It’s more nimble and you shit through more gears. You’re pretty much in 1st or 2nd all the time on a liter bike.
I’m still going buy my 1000cc bike 😂
I'm buying 2😂
Cool just be careful. Too many people die riding bikes don't want anyone else's name on that list
💯bruh 😂
Buying a 1k as your first sportbike is just a guarantee that you’ll always be the least skilled and slowest learner. You’ll be the slowest in the mountains/canyons and only fast on interstate straightaways.
U could be on your 4th year on your 1k and
a rider who did 1yr and 5 track days on a 250 would hop on a 600 and absolutely SMOKE u on the track or in the canyons/mountains/curves. There are 250 riders that smoke 1k riders at track days and in the curves all the time. Anybody can pin the throttle on a straightaway but only the few can put boogers on the tires and most of the booger boys started on something OTHER than a 1k🤷🏼♂️
I changed from 600cc to 1000cc like few months ago. Damn 1000cc feels like a rocket
As a video once said "it’s better to have a high powered vehicle being under worked, then a low powered vehicle being over worked"
The saying said more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow !!!
This is a personal preference, like driving a sports car or muscle car. I've ridden everything from a 550 to a 1500. It really depends on where and how you ride. I don't ride highway so I prefer a middle weight, naked inline 4. A highway guy will need a 1200 to 1500 cc v-twin, or Goldwing. Don't cancel a class of motorcycles because you don't see it's use. We need as many choices as possible.
2005 R1 is 30lbs heavier than the 2005 R6. What a massive weight difference
The R7 is great in all gears
Yeah some people buy sportbikes just for how they look, but they don't use or need the power, and ride them in ways the machine does not agree with.
The torquey R7 is great, it looks pretty, the engine is less aggressive its still competition focused though for when you open it up. More forgiving of a bike, people should get those and the RS660 more often.
@@ihateeverything3972 honestly a great bike
Baby beginer weak girls bikes. Embrasesing.
@@keithquinn5624 you gonna learn to spell first?😂
@@LionOnYT only when u get a real bike first
I've have been saying the same thing for years... Over 45 years of riding experience. And, once I got humbled by 600's on my R1 I went down to a 600 to end up buying a sumo 450. Best most fun bike I've ever owned (rode). Wont ever ride anything bigger then that again.... No need too...
Wow 45 years of riding experience?? How old are you if you don't mind me asking ?
I also had a yamaha r1 but I think I'm going with the bmw f900r naked bike next.. it has about the same hp as 600cc super sport bikes like the r6 or the cbr 600rr
@@Ninimara952 57 years young. and, been training in the gym even longer😂😎
@R6trackaddict66 wow that's awesome .. that means you started riding at age 12.. at round the same age I started riding motocross bikes but I don't have close the experience you have ... riding all those years, I bet you are one he'll of a rider... stay safe my brother and many blessings to you and your family!
@@Ninimara952 Yeah, started on a Honda trail 70cc. And, fell in love. But, I started riding BMX stunts first at age 7. Kept on BMX while learning how to ride motos. The transition was very easy for me. It's funny how at my age I still like (and can ride fast) going fast. Lol. You also stay safe and on 2 wheels. Or 1 LMAO. Blessings rider!🤝
A dear friend of mine bought an R1 as a first bike. Despite protests from friends and family, he was adamant. A few weeks later, he lost control and was cut in half by a tree. That was 12 years ago and the sight of that is still vivid in my head. Stupid bastard.
"1000cc BaD" he says in front of the 1000cc in his driveway
1100 cc
Who better to tell you than someone with the experience of the exact subject the video is on?
1000cc bikes are nice for freeway riding because you got extra power to pass cars quickly or get out of the way of someone. Plus youre not constanly in the higher RPM range.
Lol 1000s are great but thats a bad argument in favor of them.. 600s have plenty to haul ass and get around anything. And theyre happy at high rpm so whats the problem with it
@@jordanosborn1814 fuel economy. You don't use as much fuel as you would if you were in a higher gear at a lower rpm cruising.
@@pootmahgoots8482 - That is some serious reach there man. Pretty sure the cost in insurance will exponentially offset anything you "save" in fuel economy.
Just traded my 23 zx6 for a 23 zx10 and insurance went down to $83 a month instead of $98. Full coverage too, $1k deductible. Blew my mind
@@eljefe9377 did quotes on bikes and I believe most who own a 1000 don't get full coverage. I have a perfect record at age 29, with USAA (they transferred me over to Progressive), have the "M" on my license and these are the quotes:
- R3 and CBR500R - $72/month
- CBR650R - $240/month
- R1 - $500/month
All 2022 models
300cc class it is for me
Basically anything bigger than 500cc will mop the floor with 90%of the cars on the road. To me naked bikes hit the sweet spot: torque lower in the revs, less back pain and cheaper insurance and all the fun of sport bikes.My duke 690 is basically a tractor a low rpm and you can very easily exceed the speed limit without realising it. No need to go 200mph to pass other cars, you only need to go faster than them;)
Still on my way to get a zx 10❤
I love the sound of the 1000 cc bikes. I'd have a Penigale V4, R1, or MT10 just for sound alone.
1000cc is the city bike, just imo! Big presence, instant burst of accell for merging, bigger, torque. I love it!
yup unless you are over 7-8 thousand rpm, the 600 has no grunt. so you are basically riding around in 2nd gear if you want access to the power you need to be able to get the hell out the way of some idiot who is about to smush you into the the concrete barricade that divides the highway! on my 1000? it doesn't really matter what gear I'm in i crank the throttle and I'm clear of "the smushing" and alive to ride some more!
The 750 is the perfect city bike. Low end grunt for that instant acceleration but the confidence and flickability of a 600.
It’s also the best bike on track day. U eat
1,000s for breakfast. It’s hilarious passing them and then watching them struggle with late breaking to try to make up ground on the straight.
I agree with you that riding an Aprilia 1000 is way beyond your experience 😂😂
My RS660 is the perfect amount of power and torque for my needs/wants. It’s a great bike.
Hoping to add one to my garage someday
Somebody here was abused as a child. Jesus loves you. You shall overcome
I agree. I have one and a zx6r
I’m glad someone said talk my friend out of a 1000cc in nyc which is pointless not only he’s inexperienced but there’s no need for it….
You really dont need a big machine in a city like NYC... _but_ if he is inexperienced or not it should be his decision, and his alone, how to waste his own money (if it's really his own money) and some modell's only exsist as 1000ccm bike's and looking hella smexy.
Even a Car in NYC whould be nonsense for be but still, everyone should make his own decision.
@@XX-jk7hx your not wrong and I 100% agree but a lot of people wanting a 1000cc is bragging rights last thing I need is losing a friend
@@XX-jk7hx He's in America so he is probably not actually able to afford his own vehicles and finances instead.
@@1pyroace1 true true... :(
@@rodrigovaccari7547 Ah, then it really is bether that way, hehe.
Some thing are diferrent and more expensive in amerika, here in europe it's ok to take a little loan to buy a vehicle as long as the expenses in the year are in your budget.
I even have one if my motorcycles licence plate's and stuff nor even from my own home country becouse the exoenses in my neighbouring country are for motorcycles more cheaper, that's a great thing when you live in the EU. ☆
I love my S1000RR and even though there are some advantages when picking a 600, I wouldn‘t want anything else than my 1000.
Maybe getting a 600 as a second bike though
Having a 600 track bike would be great, but downgrading to a 600 for street use would be an awful idea for me, after faulting a liter bike.
I rode my dad's 125cc bike when I was a kid (I still do)
But now I've rode my friends bikes who have 350, 500, 900cc motorcycles and now I'm planning to get one of mine becuz I learnt to ride every bike possible dirt bikes, sports bikes, Scramblers but I loved the Cruiser. So going for an Indian Scout or BMW R18. Wish me luck and some suggestions if you have 🤞😅
WE ALL KNOW 750CC IS THE SWEET SPOT SUZUKI KNEW THIS BACK IN THE 80S
😂 I caught that gxsr comment. 😅 hilarious
Agreed. But the power of a 1000 can be a lot of fun to some. That’s the point of motorcycling in the first place. 600’s are often faster through the really twisty bits, though. No motorcycle is safe. Just practice and choose your battles (if any) wisely. Sorry for your loss.
Just turning into a troll channel.
Nah, you’re just seeing a few shorts. The real ones know long form has substance
Dude literally just spitting facts, even if he called you out, GSXR boi.
@@acrazedtanker1550 Lemme guess, you ride a 600? Ha! Ha!
@@JDye-youtube bro you’re saying haha like it even matters what he rides😂
@@JDye-youtube compensate much?
I have a 2014 crf250l and a 2012 ninja 650. Surprisingly, the 650 has been awesome around town & long trips. It has enough torque and hp to get going whenever i want to without breaking the aound barrier. Still, my 250l is an all around hoot to scoot around on/off road. Stay safe fellow riders!
Lol! I agree with you.. back in my days before Harley… I rode a Busa, but because I’m 6’2”, 250 lbs. I was not confortable in a 750 or less… my legs would cramp. Man I miss my Busa… great Vids BTW.
I started on a tuned modded zx10r. Its 200hp stock. Just because you have all the power doesnt mean you need to use it all the time. I have a fast car too so i have the chill you need. I do go fast but theres a time and place.
The power you feel in a 1000 can’t be replaced by a 600… the 600 is like a bee 😅
Bro dissed his dead GSXR homie.
Speak for you self, this guy has skills.
I ride a zx-10r in india and i agree 👍 it feels like my legs are getting cooked , in the traffic 💀
Bro what other problems you are facing. I am also planning to buy it .
I RIDE MY 1300 HAYABUSA EVERYDAY. I LOVE THE POWER AT MY DEMAND. I GET OUT OF DANGEROUS SITUATIONS EASLEY.
The same goes for cars, its a lot more fun going fast in a slow car than going slow in a fast car
U explained it beautifully, looking to get my first bike and generally I like power but this video makes so much sense I'm no longer going to gloat over big bikes anymore
its better to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow, just feeling the slow bike trying to give its best is pure joy
Bruv, practically every single vehicle on the road can be 'beyond our potential'
Yeah theres a difference between 120hp and 200 hp.
"Literbikes are heavier and less agile."
- No one, ever.
No one ever? Nope, plenty of people unfortunately
Are you wrong about the point you're making, hell no. It's negligible and not a point worth making unless all you do is make U-turns
I don't know why so many people perpetuate that. Just a white lie for younger riders
I know, some are only 20 lbs different from their 600 counterparts.
More rotating mass, makes them less agile than 600cc bikes
@@ihateeverything3972it’s not negligible AT ALL in the mountains or on the track. There’s a reason u see a lot 1ks getting passed by 600’s and DEFINITELY 750’s at track days. Most 1k riders would be faster on a 750 and maybe even a 600 everywhere besides a straight line on the interstate and the back straight on a track.
Im still riding the first generation Aprilia rsv1000. Great bikes
That's always my point. What's the fun if you can't ride your bike to it's full potential.
even 600cc are hard to use to full potential, those are fast machines. Anyways, stay safe guys.
Facts! Here in the Philippines in the highway the speed limit is only 60kph and in the expressway the speed limit is only 110kph to 120kph maximum. So, why should we get a liter bike? 400cc is enough. My underbone 150cc motorcycle can do 135kph top speed and that's all stock. HAHAHA! I have a close friend who bought a 2023 zx10r but he's like an idiot, he can't drive it above 60kph in the highway and 120kph in the expressway. He's a total small brainer. He still paying it in the bank for 5 years.
Them gixxer jokes be hittin lol😂. Yea 1000cc is pretty pointless for the streets tbh.
My daily rider is an R1 💀 I gave other bikes... such as YZFR-125 and ZX6R (both for Track use) and a Hyabusa (Non Turbo Project bike).
The R1 feels more like a glorified scooter half the time just keep it in 1st gear, only time the R1 is any fun is on the motorway with adjustable numberplate 😅
Having that extra power can actually save you in an emergency. But it can also kill you. Just like any size bike. What ever bike suits you is the right one.
I'm glad someone said it. I ride 350s and 500s in Thailand. Used a 1,000cc and a 650cc v-strom and 850cc Boulevard in the States. Preferred the 650, lighter, more agile, plenty enough torque for getting off the line at stop lights and for overtaking, better gas mileage, cheaper price tag.
While I agree that we can’t use one to its potential, my 2021 cbr1000rr is not heavier than my 2006 cbr600rr was. It’s two pounds lighter. It also has the same amount of torque at 3,000 rpm that the 600 had at peak torque, making it WAY easier to ride on the street. I got mine new last august with zero miles, and because it was new, old stock, I got it for $15,000.
And now I have 9,000 miles on it. Fml. 😩
@@thagingerninjer5391 that's how its suppose to be. I've got my bike for 1.5 months and Ive got 1.5+k miles on it. I might have you beat in a year, and I historically ride year round even in the ice and snow.
I got an 09 1000RR, find the torque requires less gear changes, and once you're used to it, the weight doesn't mean anything
@@jakegarrett8109 I ride year round, too. I won’t ride when it’s snowing or there’s ice out, but that was only one or two days this last winter. If I lived somewhere colder, that received more precipitation, I would probably have a dual sport as well, or get studded tires.
@@followthesapper324 how much does the ‘09 weigh?
Yet another way to say "with great power, comes great responsibility". Nothing wrong with liter bikes if you know what you're doing and HIGHLY disciplined. Unfortunately too many see it as an ego booster.
Most 1k riders would be faster on a 750 and maybe a 600 everywhere but the back straight on a track and a straight line on the interstate. They usually end up being more skilled riders than 1k riders too.
Had a few different bikes and some of them were great but nothing gives me the feeling that my Fireblade does... amazing...
My friend says he misses his Ninja 400 and he might even “downgrade” to one from his 900cc
vital info aside, that transition and loop was flawless man 💯
Don’t think I wud ever ride anything less than 1000cc 😅just love it -
feel the power 🏍️ 💨 💥 💪🏼
My old 1100 slabby is a nightmare here in Aus,there's either a cop,speed camera,revenue raiser or arsehole cutting in front of you around every corner might as well be on a CT90
This dude has a dead friend for every situation
Exactly, it gets pretty hot too especially on traffic. You don't need that much power to get to point a to point b
As someone who’s had an R6 and an R1, I promise you the R1 is much funner and cuts through highway wind much cleaner than a 600. To his point, the R1 did almost kill me in 2014 and haven’t rode since.
Truth I'm 64 now and I've gone from 1200cc and many bikes in between to now 390cc😊
Having both wheels come off the pavement at over 300kph sounds like getting the full potential of the bike to me
Moral of the story: get a 600. 90% of the fun, 75% of the speed at 50% of the price
It makes sense that an Aprilla owner would say “1000cc is pointless” because they are always to scared to go over 80mph
I'm pretty sure all 100cc bikes have a "Will Run" plate strapped to it.
If only 30 percent of fatalities where speeding it's safer to speed
1000cc V2 superbikes hit the sweet spot in my opinion. Massive torqe but only between 120-150hp.
R.I.P good old days of RSV Mille, VTR1000 and TL1000R
I have a 750cc Honda Shadow. Clearly its much slower than a sportbike, but I want one. So after your video, I now know that I need a 900cc 😂
Not gonna lie here in Europe, specially Spain, you can get a liter bike for the same price of a 600cc in second hand market. It is sad but r6 are like 13-15k while fireblades or gixxers are 10k
The sound thought man. I love the sound.
Yooo the gixxer puns are crazy 😂😂😂😂
Ride whatever y'all wanna ride and however y'all wanna ride.
Cc isn’t always translating to hp. Sometimes you have like 900-1000cc with just 80hp-95hp. The benefit of it is that you have more torque in low ref and no torque pikes in high ref. Making the bike smoother to ride. It personal preference which one you like more. But other than I absolutely agree, more than 120hp is useless also in Germany
I agree with this with my ZZR 600, country lanes are difficult.
The fact 1000cc usually go up against 1000hp cars in drag races explains it... No point in driving a 1000hp car daily
Speed isn’t the problem. Inadequate riding, bad breaking and lack of practice are the problems.
Dude, that Aprilia looking sick! I would forgive everything just for that look and sound!
I went from a ZX12 to a CBR1000 to a ZX7 to a Ninja 300 and the 300 has been the one I've enjoyed the most.
all fun and gigs everytime i hear the gixxer bs, but when you mentioned your friend, that hits home
Some truth in this for me. Too bad that power is addictive 😅
Wwoorrrdd. I love my 954rr. I can never complain about the ability to move freely anywhere. NYC Uber eats driver.
The overheating almost makes it useless to ride in traffic
Makes sense. It’s like driving a ferarri in rish hour traffic. The bike ain’t the limit.