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  • @Trayusstudent1
    @Trayusstudent1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2833

    I love how the General just accepts he isn't going to change the Doctor's mind so wishes him luck. Glad they got him back to do this episode!

    • @stoneoflight6685
      @stoneoflight6685 3 ปีที่แล้ว +183

      He could have also lied and said he was on his final life but he chose honesty. I imagine that he secretly wished that the Doctor would find a way to save Clara and maintain the universe but couldn't just let the Doctor go without a "fight".

    • @ByzatineSamurai
      @ByzatineSamurai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Theres no sexual prefernce for timelords

    • @Isaic02
      @Isaic02 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@ByzatineSamurai Clearly the general had a preference for female, considering her reaction. Doubt it was a big deal though.

    • @phamdinhhoang1998
      @phamdinhhoang1998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      isn't it her?

    • @uneterostardust8233
      @uneterostardust8233 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@Isaic02 the writer had a preference for Pandering to feminism superiority. The commentary on how "Men have such big ego how do you deal with that" and such statement being extremely egocentric in itself always throws me right out of immersion, "Cool space advent- *Obligatory Female superiority Adbreak!*-ure"

  • @rymdalkis
    @rymdalkis 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6042

    10th Doctor: "Even if I change it feels like dying. Everything I am dies. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead"
    12th Doctor: "Death is Time Lord for man flu"

    • @themostbritishpersonalive868
      @themostbritishpersonalive868 5 ปีที่แล้ว +457

      So it's like
      Hey where are you
      I'm dying
      Oh ok
      Won't be five minutes

    • @oldschool3424
      @oldschool3424 5 ปีที่แล้ว +402

      rymdalkis Well 10 was a bit of a cry baby

    • @davidjunghan91
      @davidjunghan91 5 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      Man flu made him woman

    • @timriggins70
      @timriggins70 5 ปีที่แล้ว +563

      He was downplaying it for Clara's sake.

    • @lucaquinn7707
      @lucaquinn7707 5 ปีที่แล้ว +318

      It’s almost like the doctor changed his mind... and the different personality that came with 12 has a different view on regeneration...

  • @namenotfound617
    @namenotfound617 2 ปีที่แล้ว +910

    I love how the Doctor calls regeneration basically the flu even though he has an existential crisis every regeneration 😂

    • @Orangeninja5000
      @Orangeninja5000 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      When the 12th Doctor regenerated, he was pretty good about it. I think it depends on the doctor.

    • @lonesurvivalist3147
      @lonesurvivalist3147 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Let's be honest, he's a bit of a drama queen

    • @coleeckerman1390
      @coleeckerman1390 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      He’s just trying to calm Clara

    • @zjjohnson3827
      @zjjohnson3827 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I too have an existential crisis whenever I have the flu

    • @alessiodelcastillo1613
      @alessiodelcastillo1613 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I mean the flu is pretty bad anyways

  • @whatthetrend8323
    @whatthetrend8323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    Doctor: regeneration?!
    General: 12th
    Doctor: Oh sorry
    -credits roll-

    • @ZonalJump97
      @ZonalJump97 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Still one more life left

    • @HOTD108_
      @HOTD108_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@ZonalJump97Nope. Time Lords can only regenerate 12 times. That's been established canon since the early 70s.

    • @K1abauter
      @K1abauter หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ZonalJump97 13 Faces, 12 regenerations.

  • @Thunda1986
    @Thunda1986 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5594

    regenerates with makeup on

    • @sonicscrewdriverdw
      @sonicscrewdriverdw 7 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Thunda1986 Yup, I noticed that too :/

    • @spaceboomer564
      @spaceboomer564 7 ปีที่แล้ว +867

      it seems a common trait with Time Lords, I mean 10 came with hair gel

    • @BrianBorkowski
      @BrianBorkowski 7 ปีที่แล้ว +121

      It's a moffat thing

    • @johnthwaites5976
      @johnthwaites5976 7 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      Thunda1986 timelords take on bodies of existing people and thus the bodies come with make up or haircut they had just before the died

    • @sonicscrewdriverdw
      @sonicscrewdriverdw 7 ปีที่แล้ว +141

      Scarlett Fox Not really, or at least, not exactly. They are given the opportunity to think of a face to take when they regenerate, so they can just make it up. However, as you may experience yourself, it's not that easy to "create a face", it's rather easier to choose an existing one, not necessarily of a dead person. This explains the make-up and gel thing pretty much.

  • @dastardlycrook6443
    @dastardlycrook6443 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4340

    *Regenerates from a kind, soft hearted and understanding man.*
    UGH How do you deal with all that ego?

    • @redjohn2523
      @redjohn2523 4 ปีที่แล้ว +490

      I know right. These tolerance and feminism and other bad words

    • @GeneralNerd
      @GeneralNerd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +787

      It's not unusual for Time Lords to have unfair negative opinions of their previous regenerations. Remember how 3 felt about 2 or 6 about 5.

    • @mirlov
      @mirlov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +414

      GeneralNerd don’t even try to say there wasn’t some agenda here.

    • @lewischerry3552
      @lewischerry3552 4 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      Asian water there wasn’t an agenda it was a jooooooooooke

    • @mredbadger
      @mredbadger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +296

      DastardlyCrook Moffat loves jerking himself off over how progressive he is while making his gay and female characters as horny as possible

  • @JustLukeMorgan
    @JustLukeMorgan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +432

    What I love about this is that it shows how other timelords will simply regenerate and won't be phased by it, but the Doctor spends sometimes an entire series trying to find out who he is, trying to adjust etc. Reminds me of the Master's old line about how timelords are 'supposed to face death with dignity'.

    • @plantainsame2049
      @plantainsame2049 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Well gala frey is probably just Is a gigantic zero room Is that prevents adverse Effects
      The doctor at best has the tardis And at worst watch the t v movie

    • @1992jamo
      @1992jamo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      This is just bad writing. The doctor has always been clear that regeneration is death and then reincarnation with the same memories.

    • @melon2271
      @melon2271 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@1992jamo And all the other timelords who regenerated never had any "post-regeneration trauma", it was always only the Doctor.

    • @icecreamsandwich7522
      @icecreamsandwich7522 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The doctor is just really really bad at regenerating, I don't think he passed that class at the academy

    • @tompearce5418
      @tompearce5418 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Most Time Lords on Gallifrey have access to medical and social supports that the Doctor doesn't.

  • @PixelM35
    @PixelM35 5 ปีที่แล้ว +531

    Doctor: Regeneration?
    General: 10th
    Doctor: Good luck
    Me: Now that’s scary

    • @kingmuizz708
      @kingmuizz708 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Idgi...

    • @maxxam012
      @maxxam012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      You can see the General just immediately get what the Doctor was planning when he asked that. 10/10

    • @harrisont2004
      @harrisont2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I bet in a weird way it’d be an honour for the general to be “killed” by the war hero that is the Doctor.

    • @SStupendous
      @SStupendous 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@harrisont2004 It would be an honor to me, only thing is, I'd be paranoid about what I'd become after regenerating lol

    • @SStupendous
      @SStupendous 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SikerScrapyard Even I didn't know the lore THAT extensively, that makes a lot of sense

  • @ValpasKankaristo
    @ValpasKankaristo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2889

    To all of you saying how out of character this scene was for the Doctor... Wasn't that one of the central themes of the episodes? He even says it himself: "I broke my own rules. I became the Hybrid."

    • @phylion6067
      @phylion6067 7 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      yes, but the problem there is that he NEVER breaks his own rules, so it's out of character

    • @Whisperflame
      @Whisperflame 7 ปีที่แล้ว +332

      What about 'The Waters of Mars', where he saved someone whose death was a fixed point in time? True, she committed suicide shortly after, but he still broke his own rules then and there. So it has happened before.

    • @stockycomdt7682
      @stockycomdt7682 7 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Joris Van Venrooij He never tried to kill anyone in that episode. In Hell Bent, he forces someone to regenerate, bringing that person closer to death.

    • @phylion6067
      @phylion6067 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Joris van Venrooij
      You'd think he'd learnt his lesson. in that ep he meant to save all of them and cause no one harm, which is different here.
      His rules are 'never cruel nor cowardly. Never give up, never give in.' In 'The Waters of Mars,' he didn't break those rules.

    • @IndoChannelKhanRP
      @IndoChannelKhanRP 7 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Pretty sure it's out of character for the Doctor to "kill" someone who just helped him mere hours before and is in general (pun intended) trying to do what's best for Gallifrey.

  • @PoissonVisageStudios
    @PoissonVisageStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2864

    "How do you cope with all that ego?" is a much more egotistical attitude than anything the previous incarnation ever said.

    • @t.purkess9682
      @t.purkess9682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +533

      He actually seemed quite humble

    • @thyrlindberg9310
      @thyrlindberg9310 3 ปีที่แล้ว +233

      He was

    • @gabbeskillz6262
      @gabbeskillz6262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +167

      It's because Steven Moffat's a woke twat.

    • @ShuTheIdiot
      @ShuTheIdiot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@gabbeskillz6262 lmao, accurate.

    • @gabbeskillz6262
      @gabbeskillz6262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @Arcadius same.

  • @ShadeStormXD
    @ShadeStormXD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    "Regeneration?"
    "hmfff, tenth"
    "good luck"
    damn that hits

  • @masterjocohen3319
    @masterjocohen3319 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2450

    I always think that the (male) general could be a replacement for Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier.

    • @drxshock6957
      @drxshock6957 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah!

    • @bradwood1090
      @bradwood1090 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      MasterJo Cohen oo

    • @jm1646
      @jm1646 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OOF

    • @thejadondaviscommentaries1613
      @thejadondaviscommentaries1613 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You could also call him Tenth General

    • @Erekose2023
      @Erekose2023 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Except of course.. by then the rot will have spread from SJW-MARVEL comics into the X-Men cinematic universe, and Jean Grey will do the ice-man type thing on Xavier in the past, making him go for transitioning.
      *drops the mike *

  • @ScatteredCollector
    @ScatteredCollector 2 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    For all those in disbelief that the Doctor would ever wield a gun, keep in mind, both Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Tenth, Eleventh incarnations have used guns at some point.

    • @frankgrimes1411
      @frankgrimes1411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think ninth also holds a few blasters

    • @ScatteredCollector
      @ScatteredCollector 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@frankgrimes1411 Thanks for the correction - in the episode “Empty Child”, Nine does in fact use a blaster.

    • @uneterostardust8233
      @uneterostardust8233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      So much for never killing a man in cold blood..

    • @imogenlenore
      @imogenlenore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ScatteredCollector And 9 threatens the Dalek in that museum with a large gun as well.

    • @ScatteredCollector
      @ScatteredCollector 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@imogenlenore indeed he does, The Doctor does use guns

  • @Silverwind87
    @Silverwind87 6 ปีที่แล้ว +569

    Say what you will about this episode or this scene, but I love this regeneration. I like how the General is lying down as opposed to standing, I like how it's the least explosive regeneration of the new series, and I like how the other Time Lords treat the regeneration as a basic incident.

    • @theo-jamesmoulton2000
      @theo-jamesmoulton2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      The Doctor's regenerations are, for reasons that have never really been explained rather more traumatic and less... energy efficient than the regular brand. Of course that could be because of this whole proto timelord schtick that's just been introduced then again there are also hints the doctor may have had a human parent which may be responsible for corrupting the transformation flux.

    • @rph1990
      @rph1990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      @@theo-jamesmoulton2000 or the doctor is just a drama queen. That's not exactly out of character.
      Plus, quite a few of the doctors deaths have been worse than a lethal shot

    • @theo-jamesmoulton2000
      @theo-jamesmoulton2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@rph1990 This is true so perhaps its something to do with the death trauma. perhaps the transformation is more flashy the more traumatic the death... which doesn't explain how eleven was able to nuke a dalek mothership. He died of old age.

    • @machdude3366
      @machdude3366 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Regenerations seem to be more explosive the more you resist it. The doctor is usually remarkably attached to what they are so it has a habit of being quite violent when it comes to them. In this case, the Time Lord was more or less "alright, fair play" and took it knowing that it was about what was expected so no big boom.

    • @MyTime1863
      @MyTime1863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@machdude3366 That kinda makes sense actually, if I remember right the Old Who didn't have these explosive regeneration scenes and once New Who picked up the regeneration started to escalate more and more.
      The regeneration from the 9th to the 10th Doctor wasn't too violent because he had accepted his fate and was ready while the 10th tried his damnedest to not regenerate and pretty much exploded the tardis
      Then you have 11th to 12th, 11 again pretty much accepted his death so he's regeneration was instantaneous (outside that big blast of regeneration energy which I blame on the sudden influx of regeneration energy)

  • @deltahalo241
    @deltahalo241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +273

    I love this scene, the look in the Doctors eye as he's considering what he's about to do, how Clara and the General are trying to talk him down but he's bulldozing through without considering them. It's a great moment.

  • @sploofmcsterra4786
    @sploofmcsterra4786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    When you shorten someone's life by potentially centuries and alter their self so all but their memories are effectively killed.
    The Doctor: "This is completely justified!"

    • @TheNoiseySpectator
      @TheNoiseySpectator 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      IKR?
      This isn't just out of character for him? It just doesn't make sense, in general!

    • @mrsamuelwatson12
      @mrsamuelwatson12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      They did trap him for 4 and a half billion years. They made him think he’d destroyed gallifrey. And they raged a war that wiped out half the universes life. Don’t think he owes them anything

    • @videobeetle8
      @videobeetle8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Regeneration really isn't that big a deal. The doctor just got a little weird about it after the 10th for some reason. It's really not a trait any other Time Lord has or even cares about. Hell, Romana wasted her first regeneration out of boredom.
      "A person is the sum of their memories you know, Time Lords even moreso." - the Doctor

    • @badabing9402
      @badabing9402 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@videobeetle8 well, I think the lifespan thing is the more important part

    • @gosiasulej7268
      @gosiasulej7268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just don't get why he needed anything to whipe Clara's memory about him. Isn't that exactly what he did with Donna just with his bare hands?

  • @idontremembermylogin
    @idontremembermylogin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    I've just thought this - if The Doctor could wipe Donna's memory by himself in series 4, why did he need to get a neural block for Clara?

    • @bethbayless5652
      @bethbayless5652 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      It could be because of Donna Noble becoming half time lord that he could fully wipe himself out. Clara was also with him through from half of Smith to half of Capaldi

    • @conmattang8492
      @conmattang8492 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@bethbayless5652 it's just generally established that the doctor can erase memories, though. He does ot to kid danny pink as well in an episode WITH CLARA.

    • @bethbayless5652
      @bethbayless5652 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@conmattang8492 then IDK LOL thanks for the info. I haven't been able to see Ll of capaldis run

    • @bobbywog
      @bobbywog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@conmattang8492 I think 12 was just less good at that than 10.

    • @nicolesong6199
      @nicolesong6199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Probably because it would be too difficult to go into Clara Oswald's mind and then keep on erasing everything?

  • @shoogamoogaman
    @shoogamoogaman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +602

    Series 10
    The Doctor - "Timelords are far beyond you human's obsession with gender and it's associated stereotypes!"
    Series 9
    The General - "Back to normal am I? Only time I've been a man that last body. Dear Lord how do you cope with all that ego?"

    • @MagyarGaben
      @MagyarGaben 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      They've learnt so much in so little time

    • @pastorbri
      @pastorbri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      and why do they choose gender specific names then also?

    • @vullord666
      @vullord666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      I mean as Bill pointed out “But you still call yourselves time- LORDS”. The timelords LOVE bragging about how civilized and sophisticated and enlightened they are, but in actuality they aren’t nearly as far beyond (at least in a philosophical sense; 200% in a technology/scientific sense (they mass produce time machines)) as they like to say they are. That’s a fairly recurring theme. Another recurring theme is that the Doctor LOVES to talk up his species and brag on them. He himself doesn’t want to admit the ugly truth about them. It got 10 got caught in the lie twice and in trouble once and he didn’t learn from either time. He only told Martha about how great they were and beautiful the planet was, so she didn’t even consider the possibility of an “evil” timelord in Utopia (or even just one that wasn’t like the Doctor). Then in the end of time he kept telling Wilfred how great his people were, but was forced to admit they became monsters and really dangerous during the Timewar (that change was insane. He wouldn’t use Wilfred’s gun on the Master, but grabbed it instantly when he realized the timelords were returning and all the while Wilfred was like “wait I thought they were like super monks and the master was the only bad one”). The Timelords like to feel and act superior to other species and the Doctor likes to pretend his species is better than they actually are to his friends (its like when you’re telling your friends about how amazing and cool your uncle or maybe parents are when in reality they’re no where near that. Maybe your dad drives a garbage truck but you tell your school friends that he’s a “transporter of exotic items and treasures”). No one has a way to fact check and you to feel better about your roots so why not?

    • @pastorbri
      @pastorbri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@vullord666 they also arn't gender fluid.

    • @MisterChuckles14
      @MisterChuckles14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@vullord666 sure but being in the position at that moment where he was the last timelord he probably tried to block out the bad and remember the good I mean wouldn’t you?

  • @Tonatsi
    @Tonatsi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I love how, from this moment, up until the very end of the episode, the story tries to make you think that the Doctor succeeded in making Clara forget about him, and that he's just saying his last goodbyes, or maybe he wasnt able to keep himself away, and is just indulging himself before continueing, and only at the very end do we find out that the opposite is true, that He lost his memory of her.

  • @morgan9603
    @morgan9603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +356

    I always thought this entire scene was so strange for the Doctor, how he could shoot the general when he was just trying to help him. But after rewatching this and scrolling through some comments, I feel like I've come to the realization that the Doctor shot the general precisely because he was trying to help him. Well, to us the general is trying to help as he's attempting to convince the Doctor not to save Clara for fear of the destruction of the universe, but to the Doctor, this man is standing in the way of something he's spent over a million years trying to get back. After all these years he spent trapped trying to save Gallifrey and bring Clara back, he's being told that he can't. And the general pretty much stated that its his role to protect the new president and that he wasn't going to let the Doctor do this. That, to me at least, tells me there would have been no peaceful resolution to this situation. The general has a duty and could have even tried to physically restrain the Doctor had he not been shot.
    Now, I am in no way shape or form condoning the Doctor's actions here, but these are things that I never considered watching this show. I never stopped to think about all of the unspoken lines that the characters' actions portray, like the grief and pain in the Doctor's face when he points the gun at the general. You can see the Doctor throwing himself so much into getting Clara back that he's putting time itself in danger. Its as he even said later, he broke all of his own rules and became something else. So, when I consider that as well, it makes more sense to me that I, or all of us, would view the Doctor's actions in this scene as out of character. Because it was out of character, that was the whole point.

    • @Eadwulf_Skald
      @Eadwulf_Skald 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I agree with everything you have stated here and I'll add this:
      The Doctor was acting out of character but partly it was very much a Doctor thing to do. Their lifetime of fun, pain, adventure and loss builds up to several moments where you could argue The Doctor takes things too far. But it's a normal reaction to trauma.
      There are time the rules have to be broken in order not to lose their own mind.

    • @alecbormia4523
      @alecbormia4523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Eadwulf_Skald "good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many" -the 11th doctor. Showing that even he himself is aware of that.

    • @Eadwulf_Skald
      @Eadwulf_Skald 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@alecbormia4523 Exactly! He's a god with the control over time (and in some ways space) who can go anywhere and do what he likes. It's scary to think how truly terrifying the doctor would be if they didn't limit themselves.

    • @alecbormia4523
      @alecbormia4523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Eadwulf_Skald I mean you don't have to look far to see that either. In Face the Raven he basically says he's going to put Ashildr through literal hell so that she would wish she could die. He is willing to fracture all of time just to undo one death. In Waters of Mars the doctor is again willing to fracture time because he feels that time owes him it for all the losses he experienced. You know who the doctor starts to look like during these moments? His oldest friend who abused all the trauma and rough emotions that come with death to create an army of cyberman. The same person who turned the tardis into a paradox machine and had people from the end of time come back and murder tons of present day people. It is in these moments that the doctor becomes ever so close to being the master but has to snap himself back to reality.

    • @Eadwulf_Skald
      @Eadwulf_Skald 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alecbormia4523 I don't really agree that he comes close to being the master in those moments. It's an obvious connection to make and The Master is a sort of "dark mirror" of The Doctor.
      But in my opinion The Doctor would eclipse The Master if he refused to be bound by his rules. In a comparison of like a nature spirit vs a god that rules the universe. The Master is powerful but The Doctor could rule the universe if he wanted to which is just not even in the realm of possibility of The Master. And that's the scary part.

  • @bradleykingswell5786
    @bradleykingswell5786 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2069

    Just think about this: the general helped the doctor get rid of FREAKING RASSILON and stood by his side. then the doctor goes and shoots him like he meant nothing! so out of character. so what if the general could regenerate, that still must hurt like hell. One of the many things I hate about this episode

    • @epicpanda102
      @epicpanda102 7 ปีที่แล้ว +136

      Bradley Kingswell Not really he saved someone he loved and he blamed himself for her death so he'll do anything to make it right.

    • @bradleykingswell5786
      @bradleykingswell5786 7 ปีที่แล้ว +115

      Coldboy33 true but still whatever happened to" never cruel or cowardly?!"

    • @epicpanda102
      @epicpanda102 7 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      Bradley Kingswell He knew that he wouldn't die and he probably still felt angry he couldn't do anything to save Amy and Rory, but he could save Clara at the cost of someone regenerating so he obviously took the opportunity to do so.

    • @leonwahlstrom1581
      @leonwahlstrom1581 7 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      Yes but It's essentially synonymus with death since it's a complete personality change. So in more ways than one he ruined that dudes life.

    • @stockycomdt7682
      @stockycomdt7682 7 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      +Leon Wahlstrom Indeed, the Doctor even said it himself. "Every time I change, it feels like dying. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead."

  • @sammycoats524
    @sammycoats524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I really liked the 10th General tbh. Wish we saw more of him. I loved the Mutual respect he and the Doctor showed each other even until his last moments.

    • @blaze4111
      @blaze4111 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      technically it's the 11th general, since it's the 10th regeneration.

  • @MCshadr217
    @MCshadr217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I like The General. "Regeneration?" "10th" "Good luck" "You too sir". He knows he can't stop any final decisions The Doctor makes, can only try to stop him as best he can. It's his duty as General of the Time Lords. It's his duty to ensure the timeline doesn't fracture. The Doctor made sure he wasn't on his last regeneration, too. That's why he asked. If he had been on his last, I highly doubt the doctor would've actually shot him.

    • @Jarock316
      @Jarock316 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He knows what the Doctor is planning is impossible but he also knows the Doctor has made it a habbit of doing the impossible.

    • @mousermind
      @mousermind ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Jarock316 *habit
      It's not spelled like _rabbit._

  • @schwarzerritter5724
    @schwarzerritter5724 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    "Dear Lord, how do you cope with all that ego!?"
    Spoken like a true paragon of humility.

  • @DarkAntem
    @DarkAntem 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1331

    Heaven's sent : Masterpiece.
    Hell bent : Disapointing on so many levels.

    • @justsomerandomguyonline1144
      @justsomerandomguyonline1144 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      DarkAntem Heaven Sent is not a masterpiece a 50 minute episode of The Doctor walking through corridors and talking to himself is not a masterpiece It's the worst episode ever

    • @TheSharkKing45
      @TheSharkKing45 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      DarkAntem for me, it's the other way around. I completely refuse to accept Heaven Sent as canon. personally,

    • @justsomerandomguyonline1144
      @justsomerandomguyonline1144 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Gallifreyan Autobot the Warrior agree Heaven Sent was a pathetic childish excuse of an episode

    • @TheSharkKing45
      @TheSharkKing45 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I personally skip that episode entirely. Makes more sense to go "Face The Raven" ➡ "Hell Bent"

    • @justsomerandomguyonline1144
      @justsomerandomguyonline1144 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gallifreyan Autobot the Warrior Heaven Sent was just a filler

  • @SaintsBro217
    @SaintsBro217 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1945

    What a waste for the return of Gallifrey...

    • @ragingeagle5584
      @ragingeagle5584 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not Spiderman no kidding

    • @azapro911
      @azapro911 7 ปีที่แล้ว +190

      Very true, the biggest problem with 'Hell Bent' is that they effectively trampled over the Doctor's return to a home planet he hadn't seen in billions of years, not to mention a decade's worth of buildup on TV.

    • @Joryu_69-cm3hs
      @Joryu_69-cm3hs 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Clara is hot on that blue outfit

    • @lolamagenta
      @lolamagenta 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And they showed why he ran away to begin with.

    • @jeckjeck3119
      @jeckjeck3119 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      azapro911
      Being tortured by time lords for information over '4.5 billion years' just after they had hand in his companion's death might have overridden his desire of 'welcome home~'. Don't you think?

  • @jjmcn8377
    @jjmcn8377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +359

    i'm not usually someone that shouts "character assassination!!1!!" whenever a character does something different but in this episode the doctor:
    1) shot a man
    2) robbed that man of who knows how many years of life
    3) did this to a man who helped him defeat rassilon
    it just felt really cruel tbh

    • @dipperpines4037
      @dipperpines4037 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      That's the point this is 12 at his lowest

    • @joebirmingham2217
      @joebirmingham2217 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I think that's what the episode is about. He says it himself, that he broke all of his rules and became the hybrid. Still, that doesn't really make the episode good.

    • @TempoKong
      @TempoKong 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dipperpines4037 Yes it's basically a part of the Hybrid

    • @Enel97
      @Enel97 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Wow it's almost like the whole point of that episode was that the Doctor was desperately obsessing over losing another companion because of them and going against his creed to save her desperately. Wow who would have thought. Its almost like you figured out what the episode was trying to tell

    • @TempoKong
      @TempoKong 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Enel97 Hell Bent is a masterpiece for showing you who the Doctor really is and this scene is one of the best.

  • @LukimusPrime
    @LukimusPrime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I love how the general wishes the Doctor luck despite having told him earlier he couldn’t save Clara. He must have cared about the Doctor.

    • @PlanetNiles
      @PlanetNiles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My headcanon is that The General is Romana

    • @awesomecat458
      @awesomecat458 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I mean the doctor served his time at the time war (no pun intended) so most time lords respected him

    • @finnstewart4747
      @finnstewart4747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PlanetNiles it looks like Ken Bones' general is returning for Gallifrey War Room, so it seems that that will be made impossible.

    • @PlanetNiles
      @PlanetNiles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@finnstewart4747 it's only impossible if Romana is also in Gallifrey War Room

    • @finnstewart4747
      @finnstewart4747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PlanetNiles good point, I'm sure they'll bring back Lalla Ward eventually though.

  • @thelisapisa
    @thelisapisa 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1187

    Why dont you upload something from John Hurt .... he was a great doctor :/
    Rest in Peace John 😢😢😢

    • @mr.barcode3186
      @mr.barcode3186 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      ESC Lisa Germany I had no idea he had passed until a minute ago. He is the first actor to play the Doctor who has died in 21 years. RIP

    • @thelisapisa
      @thelisapisa 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** yeah I know ... so sad :/
      He was great

    • @thelisapisa
      @thelisapisa 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gary Dorgan he died in real life ....

    • @thelisapisa
      @thelisapisa 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Gary Dorgan -_-..... he died 2 days ago because of Cancer 😭😢

    • @stephenmurphy2212
      @stephenmurphy2212 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ESC Lisa Germany Pity he can't come back as The Doctor now... 😰

  • @fotzegamingandmedia1840
    @fotzegamingandmedia1840 5 ปีที่แล้ว +651

    "How do you cope with all that ego?"
    I wanna die now

    • @Maisonikkokufan
      @Maisonikkokufan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +164

      @LittleRedRhuari RRR nah she was being a sexist, misandrist bitch. If it was the other way round, the woman turned into the man and he said the same thing about women there would be uproar so if you dont see that what she said was completely uncalled for and sexist you're a hypocrite. Simple :)

    • @rileyonoid6731
      @rileyonoid6731 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Writers, the Doctor's most evil and insidious enemy!

    • @stealthgeek29
      @stealthgeek29 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      And this is how a beloved franchise dies.

    • @stealthgeek29
      @stealthgeek29 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @LittleRedRhuari RRR No, she just something dumb and cringe.

    • @TheGamersState
      @TheGamersState 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      @LittleRedRhuari RRR You're missing the point, it's not that we are easily offended by the joke, it's the fact that the joke is operating on a hypocritical agenda.
      If they want to throw jokes at the male's expense like how egotistical men can be or how it looks weird when men try to think, so be it, but it needs to go both ways. You can't only make jokes at the expense of men while simultaneously leaving women out of the equation, it's blatant sexism.

  • @mithicash1444
    @mithicash1444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    The following scene is one of my all time favorites, where she asks the Doctor how long he was in the dial.

    • @Kissfan96dr
      @Kissfan96dr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      me too. Capaldi and Coleman made the best episodes.

  • @StarRider587
    @StarRider587 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I do like how the General had more of a "classic" regeneration. Shes on the ground and instead of golden beams coming out of her body, its just a bright glowing light that blinds the room before fading.

    • @urthboundmisfit
      @urthboundmisfit ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I wonder if it had to do with how she was killed. When Ten went boom like that, he'd absorbed one hell of a lot of radiation. Eleven too, he got zapped by Gallifrey. Maybe those guns are meant to only do enough to start the regeneration process going, so they don't need much juice for that by comparison. Which in turn means the regeneration energy doesn't have to be as boomy.

    • @cement_eater
      @cement_eater 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@urthboundmisfit I think it also has to do with how long the regeneration is delayed. 10 did his whole walk of shame before going, and 12 spent nearly 2 episodes trying to hold back. 13 also held back, and probably would've destroyed the tardis again if she hadn't gone outside for once

  • @lewisconroy6225
    @lewisconroy6225 7 ปีที่แล้ว +746

    We could have got some john hurt clips to mourn his passing, but nope.

    • @AlessandroTheCynical
      @AlessandroTheCynical 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      what? John hurt is dead?!?!

    • @ann6303
      @ann6303 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      AlessandroTheCynical yes😭😭😭😭😭

    • @shanedaley6236
      @shanedaley6236 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      maybe they will do a video just of his clips that would be nice

    • @tombrearley-smith5777
      @tombrearley-smith5777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Oh, for God's sake. Gallifrey stands!

    • @renewedGenius
      @renewedGenius 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lewis Conroy Whoa!! When did he pass?! I can't believe I missed that one. 😔

  • @Lamadredetuamigo
    @Lamadredetuamigo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    One of the worst scenes of New Who. An excuse to show Time Lords can change race and sex in a single regeneration. Oh, and the priceless comment: "how can men cope with that ego?" Dw writers don't have the balls of saying an equivalent about women.

    • @TubiTuesdays
      @TubiTuesdays 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Serge Kent damn you sound so mad about nothing. Relax.

    • @The0thDoctor
      @The0thDoctor 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      agreed

    • @con8200
      @con8200 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Many people became angry because of this scene.

    • @vantablack5690
      @vantablack5690 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's not about the skin colour because that makes sense but changing gender just seems ridiculous ,the doctor all of a sudden is bisexual after 50 years

    • @jordentaylor2455
      @jordentaylor2455 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      dude they already showed it with missy.

  • @joebrennan230
    @joebrennan230 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Everyone saying it's out of character- but he's lost Clara so many times. He didn't kill anyone here, he made sure he'd regenerate. This is a man who's spent over a billion years mourning someone. This is a side to The Doctor that hasn't been explored but it's one that definitely exists

  • @Qardo
    @Qardo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    "No, moving about. On pain of death. No, one take a selfie."
    I am sorry. As much as all of this was a tad cringe-worthy. That line I broke out laughing a tad too hard.

  • @zenenzarcon
    @zenenzarcon 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Some really angry people here who seem to forget the point of this episode was to show that the Doctor was losing it by this point. By the end of the episode he starts to realize that.

  • @MajiUltimata
    @MajiUltimata 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Who else thinks "Why, yes. i would love my regeneration to include eyeliner and makeup".

    • @Bagofnowt
      @Bagofnowt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If it were permanently there and I didn't have to do it every morning, I wouldn't say no

  • @amanul_2474
    @amanul_2474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    My guy spent 4 billion years in a confession dial and then put the whole galaxy at risk for Clara, this is simping on a whole 'nother level

    • @vcom741
      @vcom741 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Any relationship can be summed up as "simping" then

    • @skeletoninyourbody9896
      @skeletoninyourbody9896 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@vcom741 how dare people love someone right 😒 especially if its a woman??? Wow, simp

    • @gooper3644
      @gooper3644 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is beauty in your soul Imagine loving a woman LMAO

    • @emizerri
      @emizerri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Stop using words you don't fully understand. This is not a case of "simping".

    • @GWCGamingwithChittaarth
      @GWCGamingwithChittaarth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He didn't simp.. he loved her very much
      Also love doesn't really mean 'get married and stuff'
      You can love your friends, family, idols, etc.

  • @alexisauld7781
    @alexisauld7781 7 ปีที่แล้ว +349

    I don't think BBC realise that we don't wake up with makeup on. Especially not from death...

    • @MatthewPaul92
      @MatthewPaul92 7 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      I don't think you realize that we don't have the luxury of regeneration.

    • @Slackow
      @Slackow 7 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Alexis Auld what about hair gel *cough cough* ten

    • @comicconcarne
      @comicconcarne 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      At least Whittaker didn't regenerate with piercings like I was afraid she might when I saw the pictures; I assume she'll get them when her full outfit is assembled.

    • @michaelheitz6827
      @michaelheitz6827 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Regarding the storywriting on this season, there was a whole lot more the BBC did not realise :)

    • @bigben028cards1
      @bigben028cards1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Every doctor that's regenerated in the modern ear was wearing makeup I guarantee you or did you forget that they're filming a TV show?

  • @PatRex11
    @PatRex11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +493

    Never cruel nor cowardly my backside!

    • @spectra5407
      @spectra5407 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Pat Rex 11 this doctor broken the rule

    • @PatRex11
      @PatRex11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah but that episode has the benefit of being written before that line was and being marginally less bad than Hell Bent

    • @Pardonanodrap
      @Pardonanodrap 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Cruelty is always calculated. This was just a loss of self-control.

    • @PatRex11
      @PatRex11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think taking someone's life qualifies as cruel

    • @heysmall
      @heysmall 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pardonanodrap I think the most cruel things people can do happen when people lose self control

  • @aarothewanderer5549
    @aarothewanderer5549 7 ปีที่แล้ว +326

    Okay,The Doctor was very very bad boy in this scene.

    • @JanneSala
      @JanneSala 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      He went back to his Old Who roots, I like it. Shows that he's not completely unable to fight back, even after the Time War.

    • @aarothewanderer5549
      @aarothewanderer5549 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yeah,yes he did.I known it,The Doctor uses weapons in Classic who.

    • @shane55pwnt
      @shane55pwnt 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He doesn't kill his own people though just for following their laws...

    • @aarothewanderer5549
      @aarothewanderer5549 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      ShandalfGreyhame Good point.

    • @BrotherJosephus
      @BrotherJosephus 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think Moffat said somewhere that he made the Doctor the villain in this episode.

  • @rjmcallister1888
    @rjmcallister1888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    "Hell Bent" was a story which needed to be told. The Doctor had been driven mad by the drive to save Clara in "Heaven Sent"; it was necessary to show how far he would go to save her, to the point of abandoning whom he is. Clara is the one who brings him back to what he should be, sacrificing herself to go with Me and face her eventual fate, leaving him the message he needs to see: "Go, and be a Doctor".

    • @StarRider587
      @StarRider587 ปีที่แล้ว

      I still want a Clara and Ashildr spinoff.

  • @z0mb055
    @z0mb055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Can we take time to appreciate the sentence: "On pain of death, no one take a selfie." 😂

    • @tacoclaus8168
      @tacoclaus8168 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That one came out of left field and I love it

  • @mogosethusa7205
    @mogosethusa7205 7 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    2:15-2:39 HE'S REGENERATING... IT'S DONE, HE'S REGENERATED AAAANNND.....
    what the hell?!

    • @jhonnymark7581
      @jhonnymark7581 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      My reaction to the first female doctor.

    • @AdaWongFanofc
      @AdaWongFanofc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Perfectly sums up how i felt about the 13th regeneration

    • @zat1245
      @zat1245 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Jhonny Mark
      My reaction was, “Finally. They’ve been foreshadowing it for ages. Can’t wait for some fresh air to the series.”

    • @FloorKarpeting
      @FloorKarpeting 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      zat1245 too bad chibnall sucks

    • @billcipher9344
      @billcipher9344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Christian Chavarria What's wrong with you?

  • @KermineTheFrog
    @KermineTheFrog ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It’s interesting to see how the regeneration process affects different Time Lords. The Doctor has a damn near identity crisis before/after each one and then the General treats it as though it’s a mere minor inconvenience

    • @plantainsame2049
      @plantainsame2049 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Location is important
      Galafray is the home of the time lords it accommodates
      Tardis is second best
      Worst place is a human morgue hoped up on morphine

    • @APlatypus
      @APlatypus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If we’re going off of a book explanation, it’s because he wasn’t paying enough attention in class

    • @Prince__Teclis
      @Prince__Teclis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Regeneration is a skill basically.
      If you're good, you'll be up and about easily.
      If you're really good, you can even pick what your body will look like.

    • @Senkoau
      @Senkoau 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The doctor has canonically always been bad at it needing help from the abbot after one regeneration, spending time in a zero room after another and Romana after regenerating on the TARDIS casually tried out several looks before picking one she liked. Even with the war games the time lords on forcing the second doctor to regenerate gave him a choice of several looks before saying "We're done with your griping you get Pertwee".

  • @rogerdispatcher3146
    @rogerdispatcher3146 7 ปีที่แล้ว +295

    So only the males of the species have large egos then? I guess nobody remembers Thatcher...

    • @jonalxander8076
      @jonalxander8076 7 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      Well don't mention that, facts are not a good idea to add when we have a social justice agenda to push here.

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      And funnily enough a year later The Doctor will tell Bill that Gallifrey has progressed beyond gender stereotypes. Well clearly not if the General assumes "ego" is a male thing and presumably an INNATELY male thing, not the product of a difference in life experiences since she's still the same person so we're supposed to believe that "ego" is something that flows in the testosterone are we? Meanwhile the Doctor makes quips about "man-flu". Then he has the audacity to say "we've progressed beyond stereotypical ideas of gender" - what in the last twelve months?!?

    • @Deltoren1
      @Deltoren1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      yeah the sjw stuff is infecting everything

    • @frogradar
      @frogradar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They could have easily made a joke like how the doctor jokes everytime "damn, still not Ginger :( "

    • @eternallylearning2811
      @eternallylearning2811 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hmmm well Maybe her comment about ego was because of who she was not an general consensus

  • @MegaAstroFan18
    @MegaAstroFan18 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I did notice the General attempting to appeal to the Doctor's principles. It's interesting to see a Time Lord, a non-renegade one, who actually gets him.

  • @TheJaviferrol
    @TheJaviferrol 7 ปีที่แล้ว +561

    Why he didnt do this for Adric? Ah thats right: the Doctor knew that he couldnt just go back and save him and he wasnt the "greatest person in the universe". They overpowered Clara to the point where she has become an excuse, an exception, a loophole in the Doctors universe to justify everytime Moffat has him break character

    • @mr.barcode3186
      @mr.barcode3186 7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      TheJaviferrol come to think of it, this whole scene ruins the whole prospect of death in this show, because now any time a companion (or anyone, for that matter) dies, the Doctor can just use this 'technology' to essentially make them immortal.

    • @TheJaviferrol
      @TheJaviferrol 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      94830 086436 This is epítome of that but lets not act like this is the only Moffat "killed" someone just to bring him back two episodes later.

    • @mr.barcode3186
      @mr.barcode3186 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      TheJaviferrol well, I suppose that's true. But all the same, I despise this episode.

    • @TheJaviferrol
      @TheJaviferrol 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      94830 086436 Nope; you clearly havent watched the end of Earthshock and beginning of Time Flight.
      Besides just the fact that DW decided to kill a child (love him or hate him) back then took a lot of balls; which Moffat limed

    • @mr.barcode3186
      @mr.barcode3186 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      TheJaviferrol as a matter of fact, I HAVE watched Earthshock and Time-Flight, and I acknowledged this.

  • @lesdixlaiques6805
    @lesdixlaiques6805 7 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    R.I.P ...John Hurt ...The War Doctor ... :'-(

  • @ironicanimations
    @ironicanimations 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    The doctor being at his lowest here is exactly what it’s like if you lost someone very close to you, multiple people, and you have a chance to keep them with you, you’ll go mad and do everything you can to keep that person alive
    It’s like if you lost your loving friend, and you got them back, only to put them back to their death again- it’s terrifying

  • @femmefuntime
    @femmefuntime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I always thought it was weird seeing the doctor use a gun but upon revisiting the classic series he’s done it before.

  • @JakeTheArmyGuy
    @JakeTheArmyGuy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +653

    Okay, now picture a female Time Lord regenerating into a male and saying, "Wow, how DO you deal with all those emotional outbursts?" Not cool, right?

    • @amfe52
      @amfe52 7 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      Not only that. He/she said: "Back to normal?"
      Imagine if it was a female Time Lord (I refuse to call them Time Ladies) regenerating into male and saying "Back to normal. How do you gals deal with all those hormonal moods?"

    • @michaelheitz6827
      @michaelheitz6827 6 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      But that would be deeply sexist. What we saw in the scene was..."equality". I am pretty sure Jodie Whittaker will go on great length to remark how bad being a man acutally was... (and I am somehow glad I quite "Doctor Who" after the horrible season 9. It was fun while it lasted - means Pre-Moffat - but over is over...)

    • @shayla106
      @shayla106 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I agree with yo on that fist this show wants shove political messages down our throat and some one above said(sarcastically that doctor who has never had political messages. Oh, I agree they did but see they had this thing called subtitle. For instant, the doctor has had a black companion before and lots of female companions yet funny enough he never stopped to rant against the time periods. He would make quips about humans and him and his companions would save the day. Martha was in a racist time period but she said all their butts. Also, it's ironic that people think this is a step toward but that comment about men shows how pandering that really being. (Spoiler)
      Also, you have people saying there's nothing wrong with a female doctor who but after having all these forced morals, and the fact that that we have had two males turn into female time in such a short time after never having one of our main time lords change gender.

    • @Deltoren1
      @Deltoren1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how would that be sexist?

    • @SolitaireMasta
      @SolitaireMasta 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Nice neckbeard. You got a fedora to go with it?

  • @harrisont2004
    @harrisont2004 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The episode still acknowledges that the doctor killed another man, Clara even says it, the whole man flu thing is the doctor trying to justify it. He broke his own rules to save her, he killed a man to save her, he’s fallen into darkness. That’s my take anyway

  • @musicaccount3340
    @musicaccount3340 7 ปีที่แล้ว +339

    2:35 that was so unnecessarily sexist.

    • @Axess-sv8nq
      @Axess-sv8nq 7 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      And, it's what started accelerating the exodus of fans from the show.

    • @bigben028cards1
      @bigben028cards1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It's just a joke it's not a dick you don't have to take it so hard.

    • @Nepafarius
      @Nepafarius 5 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      @@bigben028cards1 if the sexes were reversed you'd be seeing boycotts for the show

    • @bigben028cards1
      @bigben028cards1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Nepafarius It was reversed for the last few hundred years look at a history book. Only recently did women achieve equality historically speaking. I think we can take one joke.

    • @Alucia0
      @Alucia0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well this makes a nice change, some common sense on youtube. Thank you bigben.

  • @BlueEyedVibeChecker
    @BlueEyedVibeChecker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    12th Doctor: "There was only one way to keep Clara safe, I had to wipe some of her memory"
    "Of what?"
    "Of me."
    Donna: I've seen this one before!

  • @ashleyhardy-they-them1801
    @ashleyhardy-they-them1801 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    “When you die, you stay dead!”
    “But so does he…”
    “We’re from Gailfrey! Death is Time Lord for man flu!” 😂

  • @cliveclash2931
    @cliveclash2931 7 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    That selfie line was truly dreadful.
    Moffat is responsible for some of the worst dialogue in doctor who history, regeneration is like man flu... the TARDIS dematerialisation noise is caused by keeping the brakes on... but the selfie line is the most cringe making of them all.

    • @JESK-lx4js
      @JESK-lx4js 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      “Do you mind not farting while I’m saving the world?”
      “Would you prefer silent but deadly?”
      Nothing has come close to being that awful!

    • @MintyCoffee
      @MintyCoffee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Except the farting lines both worked in context of the episode, and weren't at the expense of the narrative.

    • @adama9300
      @adama9300 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly

    • @arcanewarrior863
      @arcanewarrior863 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was one of the poorer episodes. The episode before this was probably in the top ten best Who episodes of all time

    • @zoewells3160
      @zoewells3160 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MintyCoffee How were any of the lines mentioned in the original comment "at the expense of the narrative"?

  • @molybdaen11
    @molybdaen11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    And of course they have a human compatible mind block laying around openly in the same room, just in case.

    • @The_Bird_Bird_Harder
      @The_Bird_Bird_Harder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm pretty sure they just made it on the spot. Also, it's the damned time lords, What's anything to a tardis?

  • @yehiahuzayyin7972
    @yehiahuzayyin7972 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    In defense of the "how do you cope with all that ego" line, I think it's because she's trying to show that she's alright. Imagine this; you're a soldier, and your superior's just been shot in cold blood. You're likely to panic. The General's being snarky not just as a dig at her last body (which most Time Lords tend to do, anyway, from what we've seen), she's essentially saying, "It's alright. I'm fine. Get back to work." Just my take.

    • @yellowpete79
      @yellowpete79 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, its just more poorly written misandrist New Who.

  • @cjnogodula
    @cjnogodula 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    remember in the first episode of Capaldi where he says "You look at me but you don't see me" yea well I'm guessing Clara knows that feeling now

  • @DarkHunter514-11231963
    @DarkHunter514-11231963 7 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    This could have had a way deeper role in the episode if the Doctor became Valeyard

    • @zoewells3160
      @zoewells3160 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah but the Valeyard is boring

  • @jumpcutfilms1958
    @jumpcutfilms1958 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    God Clara looked so good in this

  • @badwolf9090
    @badwolf9090 7 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Besides all the major problems with this, one thing really sticks out, it's been mentioned a few times, but for example 10 said "Even if I change, it feels like dying." Essentially The Doctor killed a man 1) for no reason 2) So that Clara could pilot a diner in space ... THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A SENTENCE.
    Everything about this is Doctor Who at its almost worst.

    • @EditedAF987
      @EditedAF987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jamie well Tennant was a bit melodramatic, none of his other incarnations ever seemed to be upset by regeneration like he was. Still, the Doctor still robbed a man of one of his incarnations

    • @Hoganply
      @Hoganply 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EditedAF987 It's called stakes.

    • @EditedAF987
      @EditedAF987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hoganply what stakes? The Doctor shot a guy for no reason when he could’ve easily stunned him or just circled around him and ran off. If he actively attacked the doctor and got shot then I’d understand

    • @gooper3644
      @gooper3644 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Julius Stricto The gun couldn’t stun, and I think the general would have an advantage in a fight

    • @hk1371
      @hk1371 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EditedAF987 in defense of Ten, he was the shortest lived incarnation canon wise, had gone through an insane amount of loss after getting back to normal from his 9th incarnation and was on his last regeneration (or, at the time, approaching his last one before we knew of the War Doctor)

  • @SLPRODUCTIONS
    @SLPRODUCTIONS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    So out of character, the doctor doesn't believe in weapons

    • @ativoflegacy
      @ativoflegacy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      WHOTUBE GALLIFREY02 if you were to watch the actual series, many emotional moments tend to push the doctor over the edge, breaking his rules even when he THREATENS someone

    • @SLPRODUCTIONS
      @SLPRODUCTIONS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've watched every modern episode numerous times and most of classic who

    • @TheProteanGeek
      @TheProteanGeek 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      WHOTUBE GALLIFREY02 then you would know the hatred of guns is more a new thing. The 5th Doctor for example shot and killed several enemies.

    • @TheSkully343
      @TheSkully343 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You know whenever people bring up the Doctor's "No gun rule" I immediately think back to the 6th Doctor blasting through an Armada of Cybermen.

    • @SLPRODUCTIONS
      @SLPRODUCTIONS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So he changed his character after the time war

  • @barryallen8488
    @barryallen8488 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love how regeneration in this scene specifically is more of an inconvenience if anything

  • @zat1245
    @zat1245 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This has always been one of my favorite breaking points for the Doctor.

  • @nicolesong6199
    @nicolesong6199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Clara’s seen the War Doctor. She’s frightened and shocked at the sight of the Doctor, after all his adventures, wielding a gun. But a part of her wants to see out the Doctor’s plan - she know’s he’s clever enough to put down the gun eventually, just like he does at the end of The Witch’s Familiar.

  • @TheJaviferrol
    @TheJaviferrol 7 ปีที่แล้ว +269

    Its little things they keep putting into scripts in New Who that just get under my skin: for example; this is meant to be a highly dramatic scene...and yet the Doctor says the word "selfie"... Stop pandering to Instagram and Tumblr fans

    • @jeckjeck3119
      @jeckjeck3119 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Donald Moxham
      Yo jinxed it.

    • @EthanThomson
      @EthanThomson 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Thats basically all of the dr who fanbase at this stage

    • @sou1creeper211
      @sou1creeper211 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I would agree apart from the fact that I feel like this regeneration is doing it simply to seem silly, I don't see it as him doing it legitimately, but more so an ironic, "Im saving the world, I'm an alien who's smarter than the entire planet, and I'm doing something stupid because I'm so confident."

    • @paulashe7460
      @paulashe7460 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Modernity is a bummer.

    • @irishprice
      @irishprice 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude
      ..
      Its the doctor.. he was always this silly. If I may be so bold, I think its just the new doctor not being the old show you are used to from childhood. Rose tinted glasses and whatnot

  • @joelmole3157
    @joelmole3157 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This is the moment where Hell Bent went wrong...

    • @zoewells3160
      @zoewells3160 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No it isn't

    • @cyberdalek615
      @cyberdalek615 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you think that, then maybe you didn’t really understand the message of this final trilogy for Series 9.

  • @masterjocohen3319
    @masterjocohen3319 7 ปีที่แล้ว +646

    I thought this was Doctor Who, not Clara Who.

    • @bkc.108
      @bkc.108 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MasterJo Cohen no its Clara Who?

    • @johnsona952
      @johnsona952 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      MasterJo Cohen its neither. It’s Moffat who.

    • @comicconcarne
      @comicconcarne 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      At least trying to be the Doctor is what ultimately killed her. If it had ended at "Face the Raven", and "Hell Bent" was focused primarily on the Hybrid (not Doctor/Clara, but Doctor/humanity in general), it would have been a much stronger moral.

    • @enderxilefroadto01k7
      @enderxilefroadto01k7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      that's why I dislike season 9

    • @OnyxConflict
      @OnyxConflict 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/tYKoKIfaV7s/w-d-xo.html
      CLARA WHO - The Clara Show Trailer

  • @ZilkenianDavenport
    @ZilkenianDavenport 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Oh boy...this comment is gonna be long.
    I'm one of those fans who got interested in the old series, so I watched the old series (mostly 4th, 5th and 8th in the movie. I don't care what people say, 8th was a very funny Doctor to watch), and while I'm not an old fan, I can clearly say TIMELORDS DON'T REGENERATE INTO TIMELADIES!
    I usually admire Moffat for his work, but did he ever take a look at the old stuff? The old series may be cheesy and corny at a times (and they're adorable for that), but they also hold a ton of information. When I came back from watching the old series, I got a TON of questions, like:
    1 - Why is the Doctor always accompanied by humans? He used to travel with other aliens, like that princess. Also, why are almost all of them female, why not just a male companion? Without female?
    2 - Why are the female companions taking the spotlight that much? Amy Pond was so hard to watch I almost left the series. I mean, my God that girl's story was annoying! Everyone had to stop if anything happened to her, eeeeverything that ocurred was because of her. The Doctor was a side character for Christ's sake!
    3 - Why is the Doctor so melodramatic nowadays? I mean, okay, Gallifrey got "destroyed", and he was sad because of it, but 3 regenerations being so affected by it? And yes, I'm counting the war Doctor in that.
    4 - Why are the aliens so fixed on Earth? In the old series, all enemy aliens could attack any planet, not just Earth. I can't get my head around the fact that back then they had less resources, yet the planets they created were much more creative. I can't remember most of the locations of the newest Doctors, but I can perfectly remember the place in which the Doctor was brought after he regenerated into 5th, when was unable to wake up and his companions had to take care of him while he healed (kind of like 10th, but with a temple and all).
    5 - Why is everything so complicated? I like complex plots which take more than 5 episodes like the next human being, but why are they so....so....you know. With the old series you also had complex stories that took more than 5 episodes at a time, but you never had that feeling that something was wrong all the time. I mean, you knew there was a bad guy and all, but that sinking feeling of semi-despair that shows in the newest series wasn't there...not that much I mean.
    6 - Why is everything so freaking dark? Literally, everything is dark. Everything has that background feeling of sadness. Too much drama.
    I think I'm done for now. I like the new series, but after watching the old ones, I think the writters could take a look at what happened back then and think about it. People remember the old Doctors for a reason.

    • @JackLongbridge
      @JackLongbridge 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      An excellent summery of why nuwho is pretty much awful.

    • @MrJoeyWheeler
      @MrJoeyWheeler 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      point 4 is mainly about budget. It's cheaper to film in "London" (read: Cardiff/Wales) than to make new planet sets.

    • @morningcoffeecat2271
      @morningcoffeecat2271 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Damian Freeman Classic Whos budget is miniscule compared to New Who and they did way more alien planet stuff than New Who

  • @davidthedeaf
    @davidthedeaf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wait, when he tossed that gun, wasn’t there a cherub statue sitting there smiling? 3:01 Made of stone…like a weeping angel?

  • @Veela666
    @Veela666 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love how The Doctor asked what incarnation The General was on.

  • @dillonwright13
    @dillonwright13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The General's milky white regeneration glow must be what the First Doctor's regeneration looked like within the show's universe.

    • @dillonwright13
      @dillonwright13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And probably what the other 7 classic regenerations were meant to look like.

  • @IcedCat559
    @IcedCat559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    'are you alright sir?'
    *sees it's a madam*
    'i mean ma'm'
    doctor who at it's peak

  • @jadthemad7871
    @jadthemad7871 7 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    RIP any development in Heaven Sent.

  • @wedgeantilles849
    @wedgeantilles849 7 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Steven Moffat screwed this episode up so bad. The entire new show was leading up to the Doctor being back on Gallifrey again and all we see is more Doctor-Clara drama after she already died. Good thing he's done after this year, it because of him and his writing that the ratings are half of what they were with Russell T Davies

    • @MrPaulmorris7777
      @MrPaulmorris7777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      RTD is just as guilty as Moffat at killing off characters, only for them to come back!

    • @wedgeantilles849
      @wedgeantilles849 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Paul Charles Morris Except he was actually able to fit it into the plot perfectly and make a good story out of it instead of a bunch of mumble jumble that makes little to no sense

    • @MrPaulmorris7777
      @MrPaulmorris7777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Nonsense! RTD killed character only to bring them back, irrelevant of the plot.

    • @michaelheitz6827
      @michaelheitz6827 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Steven Moffat screwed this episode up so bad" Yep. He also did not hide in the season 9 showdown that he actually wanted it to be about Clara and Me, and the Doctor was merely there because he HAD to be (the series was still called "Doctor Who", probably much to Moffats disgust).

    • @MintyCoffee
      @MintyCoffee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly how many characters did RTD off just to bring back through bullshit circumstance? Oh yeah... none.

  • @Dayth_
    @Dayth_ ปีที่แล้ว +8

    2:35 Regenerates as a woman and instantly insults men for no reason.
    ...Pretty accurate. 😏

    • @greendiamond2604
      @greendiamond2604 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They insulted their past regeneration, not men in general. Idiot.

  • @danieljames1868
    @danieljames1868 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Other points aside, I really like the effect the non-apocalyptic regeneration has. Shimmery.

    • @StarRider587
      @StarRider587 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its a lot like a classic regeneration. Probably because the energy wasn't building up. It seems like every time the Doctor has an explosive regeneration, its because he was holding it back for extended periods of time. 10 spent a while checking on all of his companions (only the on-screen ones in the show, but its said in other material that he took the time to check on the classic companions as well), and 12 held it off for a few days to go on an adventure with his 1st incarnation.
      The only outliers here are 1's new pre-regeneration experience and 11. 1 did the same thing as 12 but had a regeneration in line with the Tenth General's instead of blowing up his TARDIS, and 11's was explosive from my interpretation because he was just granted a brand new regeneration cycle at the end of his life. His ACTUAL regeneration was like a sneeze since the process was still "resetting" and wasn't done

    • @plantainsame2049
      @plantainsame2049 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@StarRider587one jsut had a soft glow
      He and war where probably radiating energy for days before letting the change happen
      Old age is different to the likes bullet to head rope to neck ect
      Instead of one death moment it's a slow thange

  • @TheDrummingWarrior
    @TheDrummingWarrior 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1067

    Hated this scene, what ever happened to the man who hates guns?

    • @androzani84productions85
      @androzani84productions85 7 ปีที่แล้ว +294

      Lloyd Benson his best friend died and he spent millions of years being tortured to insanity.

    • @Slackow
      @Slackow 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Felix Ellis in still doubtful that he retained those memories

    • @toyotatacoma1616
      @toyotatacoma1616 7 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      That character was invented by rtd, the Doctor used to just prefer peaceful solutions, rtd turned him into a raving pacifist

    • @steelbarber
      @steelbarber 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Not the first time his best friend has died.
      Technically he spent a day inside the confession dial.
      Mentally and physically.

    • @androzani84productions85
      @androzani84productions85 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      steelbarber it was not a day. It was a week. We just got the edited highlights.

  • @darthnox2210
    @darthnox2210 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:35 Ah. The bashing of the nonexistent glass ceiling.

  • @8Rincewind
    @8Rincewind 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I first saw this I didn't catch the Doctor asking "Regeneration?" and the general replying "10th". Without hearing that it seemed like the Doctor was making a big old assumption (of course even if he didn't ask hypothetically he could have known the various faces of this general).

  • @VerdeMorte
    @VerdeMorte 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Really would have liked the twist to be that one of Clara's jumps in history was the Doctor's 13th regeneration, would have given her a final chance at making a mark on the Who-verse and an odd finality for "Clara" to die without really staying dead...

  • @latenightcoffeeshop7112
    @latenightcoffeeshop7112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    “How do you cope with all that ego?” And there’s the agenda..

    • @elevatedream
      @elevatedream 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This was like 4 years ago, and it was a passing remark not meant to take seriously. And actually it's exactly what a woman would say. The 13th Doctor didn't say anything like that when she regenerated however, stop being so sensitive.

    • @latenightcoffeeshop7112
      @latenightcoffeeshop7112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Timeless Child seems a bit presumptuous to say that’s what a woman what say..

    • @MichaelTheRead
      @MichaelTheRead 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      To be fair, it's a fair question, and the fact that you take exception to it shows your insecurity.

    • @latenightcoffeeshop7112
      @latenightcoffeeshop7112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Michael but the fact of the matter is, not all men are full of ego and not all women are without. It’s a generalisation that was unnecessary considering this is meant to be a sci-fi show and in a world of fairness and equality with are we allowing this generalisation of the male gender it’s unfair

    • @JohnN320
      @JohnN320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@latenightcoffeeshop7112 not only that. Gallifreyans are supposed to have moved past gender discrimination because they can change gender whenever they regenerate. So it's stupid for The General to say this

  • @edwardbroeckling9602
    @edwardbroeckling9602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:22 The Doctor's facial expression is just, "Do you know how many of those 'established historical events' I've changed in the past, General? This is nothing."

  • @margotrobbiereputation2870
    @margotrobbiereputation2870 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just love seeing what the majority of haters of this episode hate about it, and it all goes down to "wasted potential". Sorry, but that's a rather stupid excuse to hate on an episode for, yes you may have expected the Doctor to get in a big battle on Gallifrey, I'm betting a lot of people did, however it didn't, we instead got the Doctor "saving" Clara, shooting the General and Clara getting her own TARDIS and her own companion. What I'm saying is that the things that happened during the episode, happened for a reason, I'll let you all have your own assumptions, but here's mine: The Doctor was trapped in his confession dial for 4 1/2 Billion Years, he was alone during that time. Now, when have we seen the Doctor alone before? Oh that's right, Waters of Mars, he became the Time Lord Victorious, and if it wasn't for Adelaide committing suicide, he would've went down a similar route as the Master did. So imagine his time alone between Journey's End and Waters of Waters, but about 4.5 Billion Years longer. Being alone was not the only thing going on, he had to get through Azbantium, a material 400 times harder than diamond, have a Veil chase after him, and went to harm him, that only stopped when he confessed something, which lead him to the next room, and when he had no choice but to get scolded, he accepted that, and was forced to travel a day and a half travelling all the way back to where he started, to charge the teleporter and create another version of himself, and again, and again, and again over a Thousand Bilion times, and in this episode, the confession dial was described as hell, so yes, the Doctor was out of character during Hell Bent, I will never deny that, but at least he had a huge reason to be.

  • @oneillegalboi8547
    @oneillegalboi8547 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Half a billion years ago: *clara dies*
    Present doctor:Clara who?

  • @Travigameis
    @Travigameis 7 ปีที่แล้ว +371

    "There isn't a stun setting"
    "Why not?"
    "The writers really want to make a political point by having me turn into a black woman"

    • @nytmage
      @nytmage 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      so missy just a fluke then?

    • @williamnorton9547
      @williamnorton9547 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Travalon
      That's the problem these days; people working politics into places where it doesn't belong.
      If it was more intended as "expect the unexpected" then fine.

    • @darraghtate440
      @darraghtate440 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I like the way a state-funded TV show can have openly derogatory comments towards men on a kids show. It's super progressive.

    • @Althalus2010
      @Althalus2010 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yeahhh. I mean personally, I do like the new General but that's not relevant. Calling all men egotistical isn't okay.

    • @bigben028cards1
      @bigben028cards1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's just a joke. It's not a dick you don't have to take it so hard.

  • @GoldenGamingWolf
    @GoldenGamingWolf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    nobody gonna mention how when the regeneration happened she somehow was wearing super obvious makeup around the eyes

  • @Krshna28
    @Krshna28 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It just feels so wrong that the Doctor would shoot a fellow Timelord (especially one that supported him).

  • @chikowashere
    @chikowashere 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I like Clara, but I didn't like her so much that I'd be okay with the Doctor going to these lengths to save her. Over ALL the others he lost.

    • @Croftice1
      @Croftice1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Ok what should he do after coming out from that Confession Dial (or what the thingy was)? He realized (not remembered, but figured out), that he was caught in there from "Face the Raven" and held there for many billions of years just because a silly prophecy. Clara died (in Face the Raven) because of him. So he happilly came out and would be all: "cheers guys, I'm so glad, I finally made it out". And the others would go with: "Oh we're glad for you, and forget that thing, it was just a joke". He had a damn good reason to be pissed off and to save Clara, because her death was HIS fault.
      I'm not rying to defend a bad writing, the episode could be written much better, but it has a continuity and a plot. Doctor does things for that specific reason.

    • @veralenora7368
      @veralenora7368 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What was the name of the woman, and which Doctor, the barbarian woman?

  • @sylviaelse5086
    @sylviaelse5086 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    We know that if nothing else intervenes, a time lord eventually has to regenerate because of old age. And we also know that a time lord usually has a limited number of regererations. So each time you 'kill' a time lord, you're reducing their total life span. Yet the Doctor treats that as if it's irrelevant.

    • @plantainsame2049
      @plantainsame2049 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The doctor is lord president at the time
      He probably just told them to give the general other 13
      Thay have the power and I mean Literal power
      As it seemes more like a energy thang the time lords naturally only having enough for 13 but with the prime eye of Harmany and the like can give a boost for good behavior

  • @undead_corsair
    @undead_corsair 7 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I refuse to accept that the Doctor would shoot someone to save a person who's already dead, he's learnt this lesson before, he can't save everyone, and he certainly wouldn't kill one person to save another, even a companion. And sweeping it away with the whole regeneration is like man flu thing is ludicrous considering the turmoil the tenth Doctor went through before his regeneration.

    • @solarisone1082
      @solarisone1082 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ten had *serious* vanity issues.

    • @creator1094
      @creator1094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Doctor didn't save River so I can't believe he saved Clara

    • @fulcrum1257
      @fulcrum1257 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you refuse to accept that, refuse Pertwee kicking people left and right screaming "Akidai" and shouting like an anime character (awesome stuff)
      Or the first Doctor throwing a stone on a person
      Or the war doctor **Blowing up Gallifrey**, he wasn't even doing it to save anyone, he just did it to stop the Daleks.

    • @remarus
      @remarus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@creator1094 The Doctor DID save River, what are you talking about? She may have lost her physical body, but the important part, her mind, was saved and given a paradise with her friends.

  • @xedalpha1
    @xedalpha1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To the General's credit, he didnt lie. He could have, but honour was too ingrained in him

  • @mellowmulatto5126
    @mellowmulatto5126 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Looking at the latest series this had a lot of hints of where doctor who was gonna go.

  • @hagridmary
    @hagridmary 7 ปีที่แล้ว +324

    Don't you just love it when writers think it's OK to make the audience question their hero's morality (and sanity) just for a cheap joke - I can't wait for Moffat to leave.

    • @vantablack5690
      @vantablack5690 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Tom Monty Russel t Davies was the best but even he can't undo the damage caused by Moffat

    • @bennyh.reviews6770
      @bennyh.reviews6770 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Moffat doesn't really do characters well. Or humour. Actually, what does he do well?

    • @bennyh.reviews6770
      @bennyh.reviews6770 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Everyone hated the companion strangling too. And for the cave man thing, Unearthly child barely knew what the character was going to be yet.

    • @delbaethmidir3533
      @delbaethmidir3533 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      If more people watched Classic Who they'd realise the Twelfth Doctor is a darling compared to some of his predecessors.

    • @Deathlygunn
      @Deathlygunn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Like he said he basically gave The General a few seconds of pain in order to save someone else's life, it that really that morally wrong?

  • @phylion6067
    @phylion6067 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This episode made me so cross

  • @Bootmahoy88
    @Bootmahoy88 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some of the most provocative and exciting moments in all of Doctor Who have come from the doctor violating his own principles and going off grid, off script. In all, there aren't that many of these moments, but they resonate like a super nova.

  • @wolfwarren6376
    @wolfwarren6376 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What I don't get is his perfect recall of these moments, and can seemingly remember much of Clara's existence, but the thing he forgot her face and the sound of her voice. You'd think (from other sci-fi) that the residual memory would be a face, maybe a laugh. Not a whole day with a faceless voiceless person that you could remember (possibly, we don't know because of the way the formatting is) everything that person said and did with exact precision. I'm a nerd, and I'd like other nerds and geeks to correct my thinking if they think I'm wrong. I don't think for a second that I remember the events of every sci-fi tv program I've watched, but I'd like to assume that I have a good summary on the topic of memory wiping/erasing/blocking.