Honestly, Bill getting turned into a cyberman was one of the most distressing moments in Doctor who for me. Lots of companions die but the fact that Bill waited patiently for the doctor as she slowly got turned into a cyberman was so much worse. I felt so distressed when they revealed she was a cyberman. It just felt so emotional and real, it was so upsetting and scary.
+Mr Jones So sick of people thinking Ten is a wimp because he didn't want to die. Try putting yourself in his shoes in that position. Also, why reply to a comment praising great acting/characters with a negative statement? What's the point?
You mean it's wimpy that he was upset at losing someone he was in love with, losing his entire species and planet, and then finding out he's going to die? Men are judged enough for showing their emotions without your dated, ugly views in the picture. The Tenth Doctor actually had a capacity for emotions, something you clearly lack. And with that last statement you lost my interest in even having a civilised conversation with you, not that I think that's possible anyway. Goodbye.
I am guessing Eight is a wimp too considering he felt burdened with losing Lucie Miller. I'm guessing Eleven in a wimp because he retired after losing Amy and Rory. Fact is, the Doctor values his companions. He loves them so much and he's not going to shrug off a companion's demise like it's nothing, especially if they are close, like Ten and Rose were. And he wasn't crying about regeneration, he was upset with the fact he was nearing what he and Eleven believed the total end to the Doctor on Trenzalore. That's why Ten said "I don't want to go" on Day of the Doctor.
Mayo Tango131 Don't give me this "real Doctors" bollocks. They're all the Doctor, they're all unique. Ten wore his emotions on his sleeve more than any other and perhaps by this point he was just sick of constantly changing when he didn't want to. Don't forget, with the benefit of hindsight we now know he was actually about to regenerate into what he would've thought was his final body before permanent death. So of course he'd be upset about that.
I know other people have mentioned it, but when Capaldi turns around to see Simm, his facial expression is near IDENTICAL to the faces Tennant used to have in scenarios like this. Absolutely stellar actors, all of them.
The man was an avid Whovian and was even a minor character in 10's run, I would not be surprised if he took a page or two from Tennant's run-ins with the Master lmao
That moment is so brilliantly executed. Simm speaks, Capaldi does his slow shocked turn, and when he makes eye contact we cut to Simm who now smiles. Seeing the Doctor so shocked was exactly what he wanted, and he is thoroughly enjoying it.
This is quite possibly the darkest moment in the entire series, old and new. You can kill people, you can torture people, you can destroy entire star systems but no amount of destruction will ever be as horrific as seeing someone so close to you having their humanity stripped from them and becoming a cold, emotionless machine. This represents the sheer horror of the cybermen and why they are quite possibly the most disturbing enemy in doctor who. The prospect of having your emotions removed and turned into something completely different seems more scary to me than death itself.
This is also why I really like their origin episode in New Who. The cybermen were a result of humanity chasing technology to such a degree that they were no longer human. The cyber men were simply a result of one man trying to live forever, and losing his humanity in the process.
Cybermen are pretty much humanoid Daleks. They're the same on the inside, biological organisms stripped of their emotions and made into killing machines. The original Daleks, the Kaleds even look like humans.
2:57 the way he reacts to Bill being a cyber man is heart breaking, almost like a parent staring in disbelief at their child who has been horribly injured
I know people complain about how this wasn’t kept a secret... Except I missed the leak. As such, this reveal really hit me. Especially with both Masters in the same room. I mean, we’ve seen plenty of Multi-Doctor stories, but to have a story with multiple Masters was just a great payoff.
True. Though really it wasn't actually a leak that revealed this return, but rather a tiny scene from an official trailer for the series right at the start.
I didnt see it either! When the leak came out i was less into doctor who but then my dad and i caught up and this reveal was such an "oh shit" moment for us!
i had no idea that was John Simm the whole time, i wasn't aware of the casting either when this aired, so bang = mind blown with that reveal... crazy episode!!!
@@Lantern_Matt_2814 Not just resembling. He was specifically cast as the First Doctor. Simm was just a tribute to the Classic Masters in this episode though.
It's not just you. The average Cybermen are a fully metallic shell that you could be forgiven for mistaking for generic robots. The Mondasian ones, on the other hand, are specifically designed to look like humans whose bodies have been heavily altered by technological implants. Much more body horror that way.
For me personally I think this story did a lot to sell the Mondas Cybermen with the whole body horror angle. Prior to that I would have considered them the goofiest of the Cybermen.
The first time I watched The Tenth Planet, after seeing the Cybermen so many other times, was: "Dear lord. They sound silly." Followed by: "This electronic sing-song tone is just weird." Followed by: "It.. it just keeps going like this regardless of the tone." Followed by: "Okay, this is getting unnerving now." Followed by: "Yeah. Yeah. I'm kinda actually scared now." Followed by: "Definitely scared."
Capaldi's acting a 2:32 is phenomenal. Like you can just see he's trying so hard to withhold tears - just knowing where this is going, dreading the worst. Like he is such a phenomenal actor.
Yeap because it doesn't conceal their origin, it's just cloth and benath it a face of a living person, not a robot that you have to pry its helmet off to perhaps see the organic material. This is the version closer to what the average person identifies as another person, hence far more terrifying.
Ya, because its a emotionless human body trap in some body that has no empathy.... And they act/move a bit more human, not just stomping Which makes it scarier
Kunaal Gupta exactly. Being honest I found the episode slow because of it being ruined there wasn't the major shock to come at the end. Now if it hadn't been ruined then it would've paid off massively.
Wouldn't make any sense since the drums were only in his head because of Rassilon and Rassilon at this point was dead with that flan foiled, sio the drums would have stopped.
So I haven't watched Doctor who in years. But this clip came up, and I got to say, for some reason the Mondasian Cyberman seems a lot more unsettling than the other modern series cybermen.
This episode is the best cybermen story in the modern series, hands down. This clip alone does not do it justice, its genuinely disturbing, Moffat's on absolute top form with it.
Also, got to add this. I love the little head movements John Simm reacts to when Bill gives off those chilling four words. I thought it was a really great touch to his character.
Liam Catterson You mean, acting? It was hardly that subtle or suggestive, just looks like he’s happy to be there and hasnt really been given much direction by the production team. Doctor Who’s recent seasons have been very ‘just shoot whatever, we’ll slap loads of overzealous music over it later to make it all fit’
it's very mediocre compared to Who running between series 1-4. It's lost it's edge and tried to be what it used to be (when it failed and had to be axed) since then... Sad but true. Scenes like this don't really give me any sort of goosebumps because it's a little too obvious it is coming because the rest of the story line is so slow and mundane... Granted at times there's a little ingenuity in there but it is few and far between. That's why I feel Moffat is a much better one off writer than Russel T. Davies (RTD). RTD was much better at casually slipping in little easter eggs into 100MPH episodes so that you wouldn't always pick up on them! One such example was the Harold Saxon series 3 ending episodes. Hence why the plot twists were not as predictable and actually gave you goosebumps come towards the end of a series... Just my opinion but ah well I suppose you can't please everyone!
He did pretty well here I think, the lower overall stakes of this finale helped I'd say - no big intergalactic scale conflicts, just the Doctor fighting to save a small group of children. Beautifully told and executed.
Hands down the best thing about this episode was just how creepy it was. Bill walking into the room with the patients, still human underneath, and then the fact that she becomes one herself was brilliant. There was no way to reverse it, that was her fate. I don't think I'd been this creeped out by an episode since "The Waters of Mars", and I was only 13 then, 20 watching this episode. Moffat and Capaldi definitely went out on a high note.
I love this cliffhanger. Two Masters, Bill is a Cybermen, and the Doctor realizes just what he did. It's the perfect way to go into Capaldi's last few episodes.
2:25 Master of disguise! I knew John Simm was returning but I was completely fooled right up to that point. So I still got a little bit of the surprise!
"Do you still like disguises? Of course, they are rather necessary when you happen to be... someone's... former Prime Minister..." *"HARRIET JONES, FORMER PRIME MINISTER"*
Man, the Mondasian Cybermen are scarier than their more silver-plated counterparts. Something about those medical masks and those gloves that just...*shudders* If they're going for scarier Cyberman, the Mondasian ones win.
This was one of the best closing moments to Doctor Who in my opinion. Even knowing the Master would return, it was done in spectacular fashion. And CyberBill broke my heart... _I waited for you_ (And even though I thought it would be so crazy and interesting to have a companion turn into a Cyberman, *THIS* is why you shouldn't say things you'll regret people)
Liam Catterson I didnt think it was as spectacular as it could have been at all. The whole episode certainly could have been riveting. As usual with recent Doctor Who and Sherlock series, it’s been ‘tell, not show’. Characters standing talking in a room with very average dialogue (“Id call it a genesis.. the genesis of the cybermen” obviously trying too hard to make fans go crazy), master reveal is the same as all the other Master reveals, and loads of music slapped on later to make it feel more exciting than what’s actually playing out. The drama of the scene is rushed
Only Moffat could have dreamt something like that up....his successor has big shoes to fill. His 4 episodes were by far the best episodes of this season.
This combined with the reveal of the Mondasian Cyberman and the fact it was Bill would have been the most shocking moment in years if it was kept secret, probably of the entire modern series. The problem is they did manage to keep it a secret for the most part but clearly didn’t have the confidence for the series beforehand so put Simm in the series 10 trailer, and then publicly announced his return! Complete marketing balls up, hopefully under Chibnall this sort of thing doesn’t happen again.
Eleanor Emerson Leaked by the mirror and the sun because they put it in the trailer at the press screening, asking people to “look away when the spoiler arrives on screen”. They managed to avoid anyone knowing for months beforehand and then they put it in a trailer- as if the people who work in tabloid news are simply going to look away. Then to officially announce it is even worse. It’s peoples choice if they want to believe a tabloid like the mirror but if you officially confirm it then it’s completely ruined.
numpteez he wasn’t though, his character was photographed on set but no one actually clicked it was John Simm until after the confirmation of his return. It made sense marketing-wise, they wanted to bring back some viewers, but then they compromised on this big reveal which the episode built up to! So it was redundant, and a real shame.
I don't follow any of the tabloids or alternate sources other than the official Doctor Who pages so I would have been unspoilt if they didn't announce it.
Spencer C The Master, Davros and Boba Fett are all in the very small group of men who know not the meaning of the word 'dead'. Seeing as how there's big trouble brewing whenever the Doctor meets himself, I shudder to think what it means when the same happens to the Master.
The show hitting an absolute dizzying high here: The gut-wrenching horror of the Cyberman's reveal, followed by the macabre humour of the two Masters. We are literally appalled at what has happened to poor Bill, and then seconds later we're LOLing at "Give us a kiss". And not even feeling bad about the mood swing.
Steven's writing is so damn good OMG he just squeezes every last second peeling back every layer of the full situation with heavy emotional realisations on top I just get so gobsmacked
@@jonathancampbell5231 Come on though....Doctor falls took the cybermen seriously, and they never got 'stopped'. its still better than s8 finale or closing time though.
2:04 It took me a few listens, but listen to how the music builds here. It’s a slightly different rhythm and tune, but the instruments are the same. It’s “The Sound of Drums”, Simm’s theme from the Tennant era.
I had no idea of the spoiled reveal of Simm’s Master returning, this was such a well executed surprise for me. The split second you realise it’s him when he goes back to his regular voice before taking off the he mask made the hair on my neck stand right on up.
If only they didn't put him in the trailer. No one managed to figure out he was in it and we managed to avoid all spoilers regarding Simm's return. There weren't any leaks at all. What a shame, as that could've been one of the greatest shock and awe moments of ALL TIME. Ugh. Simm was still great though.
I've never watched the trailer, but when I was there (in the series), I had watched only the seasons 5678 and 9, I didn't knew the master......... Thanks netflix
that's something I don't understand about people: nobody wants spoilers about a tv series but everytime they find a spoiler, they leak it immediately through internet or through a magazine... and then they complain, saying that what happen on the show would have been better if it was not leaked... Anyway, a couple of magazine leaked John Simm's return, using some photos of him, capaldi and gomez on the set while filming. Since the news was already leaked, bbc made it official with the trailer... people must blame those magazine, not bbc.
I used to think that the cliffhanger at the end of The Army of Ghosts couldn’t be topped, but this haunting and poignant one just utterly usurped it in every respect - an epic reveal of John Simm’s Master combined with the unabashed horror of what the Mondasian Cybermen are.
folks overlook them, but the ones who made this episode work are the makeup artists who made it possible to hide who was really under the mask of Razor: beautifully hidden in plain sight but enough of John Simm visible to make you go “how did i miss that!”
In my opinion this will always be the most chilling moment in all of NuWho. Even though I knew about both the Master's return and the Mondasian Cybermen (and also suspected that the Cyberman was Bill), this will forever send chills down my spine more than any other moment. The only one I can think of that can compete is the climax of Midnight.
I’m glad I was lucky enough to watch this episode nearly 10 years after I first finished watching the show, to show up without watching any of the next episode credits to see this masterpiece of a twist blind
I grew up watching Dr Who in the 80s. My first episode ever had the Doctor taking the Master's sealed ashes to be eternally locked away. He's been the greatest villain to me ever since. The idea that he's facing 2 incarnations while discovering such tragic heartbreak is amazing. Anyone else remember when all you need to defeat a Cyberman was a bag of gold dust to clog the vent at the base of it's neck?
I remember when I first saw this episode. The cliffhanger was amazing. The big reveal of the two masters and that chilling "I waited for you" and the one tear running down her face. WOW.
I loved how dark this story was. The Mondasian Cybermen freaked me out especially when they were walking into the conversion theatre. The soundtrack is also one of my favorites in the whole show. Had a horror theme and made the episode terrifying at some points. Spine tingling stuff. And of course, the two Master's. The concept was perfectly executed and the chemistry between John Simm and Michelle Gomez was outstanding. I honestly hope we get more stories like this in series 11. Probably unlikely though because these type of stories might suit an older, more classic who Doctor like Peter Capaldi. I'm very keen to see Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor. She has been great in other shows like Broadchurch and I'm confident she'll be "oh brilliant" 😀.
This episode grows on me more and more every time I watch it. The music and the suspense throughout is incredible, and has now officially made this episode one of my favourites of 12's era
I rate this finale as one of the best. It hit all the right points- THe story, drama and acting were all superb. I didnt even mind the Liquid Pilot deus ex machina that much.
Mondasian Cybermen nailed the "uncanny valley". Other versions of the Cybermen are too close to robots. These ones are almost human, just... slightly off. It's much more unsettling. And the way they just open their mouths and words come out, sounding like distorted human voices but with the intonation on all the wrong words... Perfection.
@@alexrowdyrodrigues9716 It's either one between Simms and Missy or he pre-dates Jacoby and the Time War. It's very possible we've been meeting them out of order similar to River Song.
On one hand, they really did Bill dirty. On the other hand, they did the Mondasian Cybermen REALLY well. I couldn't take them seriously in The Tenth Planet, they looked and sounded too ridiculous. Which makes it impressive that they managed to make them more terrifying without actually changing that much about them (although it's probably just because they had production than they did in 1966)
This story is an absolute masterpiece. My favourite Capaldi Story, from series 10, one of the best series ever in my opinion and possibly the creepiest the cybermen have been
His explanation is pretty sound. For the top of the ship time is a matter of minutes. In the same time the further down the ship you go, years can pass. He saw the Tardis appear, would've known at least one of the people stepping out of it would be human, and doesn't want to chance that they know who Harold Saxon is, and would recognise him immediately.
I actually didn't had it spoiled for me. This was one of my favorite episodes, confused with what is happening, and slowly realizing that they're building cybermen, and that Bill turned into one. Great twist.
Sweet Jesus, the Mondasian cybermen. Their voice, their faces make them by far and away the best version we've seen of them in NewWho. Bring them back please! May be the first time I've genuinely been scared of a cyberman...
The old Mondasian Cyberman costume is cheap and flimsy, and yet is absolutely terrifying. It hits that uncanny valley in the perfect way that the modern Cyberman (or hell even the later iterations of Cybermen in classic who) just seem to miss. The design, the movements, and the voice are so WRONG and yet so perfect.
Sadly unlikely under Chibnall. Besides even if he did bring them back, he doesn't have the writing skills to make them anywhere near as scary as in this episode.
Three of my top five favourite villains together, and ALL of them former/current companions of The Doctor. It's why this episode/Series/Doctor/Show is SO amazing. love, Love, LOVE it!
I can't believe that I just now put together that when he says "former prime minister" he meant that Bill would have recognized him as Harold Saxon. What a great thing to consider when disguising him.
This “Saxon” is much saner then the one 10 encountered, and that makes him more dangerous , plus, he has a goatee, so you know he is more evil
Definitely not saner. Just more calculating and Ruthless with his decisions
I love the goatee! A nice callback to Rodger Delgado and Anthony Ainley.
I have a goatee, and I can confirm it does increase our evil level significantly. Each centimeter per whisker adds a percent.
Probably cos by this point the drumming has stopped
Goatees are a staple Master trait.
Honestly, Bill getting turned into a cyberman was one of the most distressing moments in Doctor who for me. Lots of companions die but the fact that Bill waited patiently for the doctor as she slowly got turned into a cyberman was so much worse. I felt so distressed when they revealed she was a cyberman. It just felt so emotional and real, it was so upsetting and scary.
Kinda reminds me of what happened to Adric.
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That particular scene will haunt me for a long time
@@dafoexwhat was that from
@@galiam5043 earlier in the episode. other cybermen said it.
@@anonymous-m7k thx
Man, Capaldi's reaction to the Simm Master is understated gold. He reacts exactly the way Ten would've reacted, too.
+Mr Jones So sick of people thinking Ten is a wimp because he didn't want to die. Try putting yourself in his shoes in that position. Also, why reply to a comment praising great acting/characters with a negative statement? What's the point?
You mean it's wimpy that he was upset at losing someone he was in love with, losing his entire species and planet, and then finding out he's going to die? Men are judged enough for showing their emotions without your dated, ugly views in the picture. The Tenth Doctor actually had a capacity for emotions, something you clearly lack. And with that last statement you lost my interest in even having a civilised conversation with you, not that I think that's possible anyway. Goodbye.
I am guessing Eight is a wimp too considering he felt burdened with losing Lucie Miller. I'm guessing Eleven in a wimp because he retired after losing Amy and Rory.
Fact is, the Doctor values his companions. He loves them so much and he's not going to shrug off a companion's demise like it's nothing, especially if they are close, like Ten and Rose were. And he wasn't crying about regeneration, he was upset with the fact he was nearing what he and Eleven believed the total end to the Doctor on Trenzalore. That's why Ten said "I don't want to go" on Day of the Doctor.
Dylan C Because the real Doctors face the regeneration with dignity.
Mayo Tango131 Don't give me this "real Doctors" bollocks. They're all the Doctor, they're all unique. Ten wore his emotions on his sleeve more than any other and perhaps by this point he was just sick of constantly changing when he didn't want to. Don't forget, with the benefit of hindsight we now know he was actually about to regenerate into what he would've thought was his final body before permanent death. So of course he'd be upset about that.
I know other people have mentioned it, but when Capaldi turns around to see Simm, his facial expression is near IDENTICAL to the faces Tennant used to have in scenarios like this. Absolutely stellar actors, all of them.
The man was an avid Whovian and was even a minor character in 10's run, I would not be surprised if he took a page or two from Tennant's run-ins with the Master lmao
That moment is so brilliantly executed. Simm speaks, Capaldi does his slow shocked turn, and when he makes eye contact we cut to Simm who now smiles. Seeing the Doctor so shocked was exactly what he wanted, and he is thoroughly enjoying it.
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That face gave off such nostalgia
This is quite possibly the darkest moment in the entire series, old and new. You can kill people, you can torture people, you can destroy entire star systems but no amount of destruction will ever be as horrific as seeing someone so close to you having their humanity stripped from them and becoming a cold, emotionless machine. This represents the sheer horror of the cybermen and why they are quite possibly the most disturbing enemy in doctor who. The prospect of having your emotions removed and turned into something completely different seems more scary to me than death itself.
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This is also why I really like their origin episode in New Who. The cybermen were a result of humanity chasing technology to such a degree that they were no longer human. The cyber men were simply a result of one man trying to live forever, and losing his humanity in the process.
Cybermen are pretty much humanoid Daleks. They're the same on the inside, biological organisms stripped of their emotions and made into killing machines. The original Daleks, the Kaleds even look like humans.
@@asvarien except Daleks still have emotions such as Anger and Hatred, when Cybermen are absolutely emotionless
@@alecbormia4523 exactly, and they tried to take humanity with them and even their creator went into the upgrade screaming
*When John Simm came back*
Audience: WE. WAITED. FOR. YOUUUU.
yaaaassss. i'm only here for him
You seen him in life on Mars? Amazing.
It's kind of sad seeing him without Tennant as The Doctor
Nah. Worst Master ever.
@@uscman Yeah. The way John and David played off of each other was brilliant. They truly felt like mirror opposites.
2:57 the way he reacts to Bill being a cyber man is heart breaking, almost like a parent staring in disbelief at their child who has been horribly injured
"Die..me. Die..me"
I know people complain about how this wasn’t kept a secret... Except I missed the leak.
As such, this reveal really hit me. Especially with both Masters in the same room. I mean, we’ve seen plenty of Multi-Doctor stories, but to have a story with multiple Masters was just a great payoff.
True. Though really it wasn't actually a leak that revealed this return, but rather a tiny scene from an official trailer for the series right at the start.
I didnt see it either! When the leak came out i was less into doctor who but then my dad and i caught up and this reveal was such an "oh shit" moment for us!
I wonder if in another universe, we could have had an amazing story where Delgado and Ainley Master’s worked together
@@gamelikers I didn't know either, so it was just so awesome for me and I broke into a big grin when I saw this scene
Oh man, I envy you the genuine surprise.
I love John Simm’s look. The goatee, the black uniform and his fondness of disguises could be a tribute to the original Master Roger Delgado
i had no idea that was John Simm the whole time, i wasn't aware of the casting either when this aired, so bang = mind blown with that reveal... crazy episode!!!
i think that's what they were trying to go for, since Twice upon a Time had David Bradley resembling the first Doctor
Delgado and Ainely will always be the OG masters.
Erwin Rommel Agreed
@@Lantern_Matt_2814 Not just resembling. He was specifically cast as the First Doctor. Simm was just a tribute to the Classic Masters in this episode though.
Is it me, or are Mondasian Cybermen creepier than the average Cybermen
It's not just you. The average Cybermen are a fully metallic shell that you could be forgiven for mistaking for generic robots. The Mondasian ones, on the other hand, are specifically designed to look like humans whose bodies have been heavily altered by technological implants. Much more body horror that way.
It's because their back story is so very tragic.
For me personally I think this story did a lot to sell the Mondas Cybermen with the whole body horror angle. Prior to that I would have considered them the goofiest of the Cybermen.
I think a lot of it depends on which incarnation of the Cybermen you first watched.
The first time I watched The Tenth Planet, after seeing the Cybermen so many other times, was: "Dear lord. They sound silly." Followed by: "This electronic sing-song tone is just weird." Followed by: "It.. it just keeps going like this regardless of the tone." Followed by: "Okay, this is getting unnerving now." Followed by: "Yeah. Yeah. I'm kinda actually scared now." Followed by: "Definitely scared."
Capaldi's acting a 2:32 is phenomenal. Like you can just see he's trying so hard to withhold tears - just knowing where this is going, dreading the worst. Like he is such a phenomenal actor.
I waited for you
@@shaunhayes3072 you can see it in his eyes and his reaction
“I would never be so self-destructive.”
>proceeds to kill Missy 1 episode later
Happens all the time when the Master meets himself
I think Missy would’ve remembered shooting herself in the future so from that point on it’s now an alternate version of the Master
Barrel Rider no the master would have no recollection of shooting her
All the Master does is get killed, whether it be getting crushed to death, incinerated, shot or stabbing himself in the back.
300th thumbs up and Spoilers.
3:40 Yoooo that reprise of the "1234" drum beat in the soundtrack, great call back!
Andre Gordon Ohh it’s so good
I didn't notice that the first time . wow it totally adds to it
Yes, I noticed that too
It also plays when he first reveals himself
And it gets faster! Like- wow
This version of the Cybermen were a lot more scarier than today's version
Yeap because it doesn't conceal their origin, it's just cloth and benath it a face of a living person, not a robot that you have to pry its helmet off to perhaps see the organic material. This is the version closer to what the average person identifies as another person, hence far more terrifying.
The Eighties Cybermen had scarcely deep voices and were utterly ruthlessly violent.
As a kid a found the Cybus ones from parallel Earth scary. But I agree these Mondas ones are creepy in a horror film kind of way.
Ya, because its a emotionless human body trap in some body that has no empathy.... And they act/move a bit more human, not just stomping
Which makes it scarier
The Daleks are scary because they embody a nightmare from our past
The Cybermen are scary because they embody a nightmare from our future
I like how they brought back the Master's penchant for disguising himself.
I don't like the master. Thought he was good on life on Mars but the master annoys me lol
Porsche Foster are you talking about the Master overall or just the John Simm incarnation
I like Missy. I'm not fond of the latest master. John Simm I don't know why he annoys me. Maybe I'll change my mind after watching it again.
Porsche Foster you’d probably enjoy the others a lot more
plus his goatee from his original incarnation. Plus, the current Master is doing tissue compression again, that's a classic as well.
Think how amazing the reveal would have been if it hadn’t been completely ruined before the season even started
Kunaal Gupta exactly. Being honest I found the episode slow because of it being ruined there wasn't the major shock to come at the end. Now if it hadn't been ruined then it would've paid off massively.
Honestly. It would have blown my mind. I seriously hope they do a bit better with keeping spoilers under wraps for S11.
I am lucky; I didn't see the spoilers u.u my jaw dropped on the floor during this scene.
They could have at least not included him in the teaser for The Pilot so new viewers binge-watching wouldn't be spoiled either.
Yea I think Dr who fans are so crazy that they would've spotted John sim on the shoot
You can tell Murray Gold was waiting to bring back the drums
Wouldn't make any sense since the drums were only in his head because of Rassilon and Rassilon at this point was dead with that flan foiled, sio the drums would have stopped.
@@Noobie2k7 I meant the musical theme, not the plot point
"oh how i've missed them"
Missy’s face when she first realises that it’s the master is so brilliant, it’s almost as though she’s afraid.
Well the Master was a lot more extreme than she was.
@@fordz3781 Plus I think it's also her remembering this is where she dies. Since she'd now be able to remember that this is where she kills herself.
Well, she knew how brutal she was when she was younger, after all.
@@scionofdorn9101 He was younger HE
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Uh... Missy is a chick, so it would be when she was younger.
So I haven't watched Doctor who in years. But this clip came up, and I got to say, for some reason the Mondasian Cyberman seems a lot more unsettling than the other modern series cybermen.
It's closer to us. This is something that could feasibly happen in the next 100 to 200 years.
This episode is the best cybermen story in the modern series, hands down. This clip alone does not do it justice, its genuinely disturbing, Moffat's on absolute top form with it.
Also, got to add this. I love the little head movements John Simm reacts to when Bill gives off those chilling four words. I thought it was a really great touch to his character.
I never noticed
Thank You
Liam Catterson You mean, acting? It was hardly that subtle or suggestive, just looks like he’s happy to be there and hasnt really been given much direction by the production team. Doctor Who’s recent seasons have been very ‘just shoot whatever, we’ll slap loads of overzealous music over it later to make it all fit’
2:30 Harriet Jones, former prime minister!
"hello Missy let me introduce myself, Harriet Jones!"
*Missy* : "yes i know who you are"
A guy on TH-cam edited this clip with Harriet Jones' face on the Masters, it was soo funny
what's the title of the video?
Timey Wimey Whovian its been deleted for no reason but the channel is called Joe Vevers and he uploads hilarious edits of scenes
It's still there dude, just look up Genemissy of the Cybillmen
That scene still gives me goosebumps!
Ahah! Agree!
it's very mediocre compared to Who running between series 1-4. It's lost it's edge and tried to be what it used to be (when it failed and had to be axed) since then...
Sad but true. Scenes like this don't really give me any sort of goosebumps because it's a little too obvious it is coming because the rest of the story line is so slow and mundane... Granted at times there's a little ingenuity in there but it is few and far between. That's why I feel Moffat is a much better one off writer than Russel T. Davies (RTD). RTD was much better at casually slipping in little easter eggs into 100MPH episodes so that you wouldn't always pick up on them! One such example was the Harold Saxon series 3 ending episodes. Hence why the plot twists were not as predictable and actually gave you goosebumps come towards the end of a series...
Just my opinion but ah well I suppose you can't please everyone!
Yeah
@@adambennet8398 why would you bring negativity into a comment praising the episode?
@@caleb7551 because I’m allowed to have an opinion.
Love the master drumbeat music at the end
Here comes the drums!
It's back. The Melody of Insanity. The Rhythm of Madness. The Sound of Drums has finally returned.
Kshitij Srivastava One-two-three-four-one-two-three-four-one-two-three-four-one-two-three-four!
Where’s David Tennant when u need him!
Kshitij Srivastava and that is why Murray gold is a god
You can also hear an electronic rendition of it when the master reveals himself to himself (missy)
Still the best ending to any New Who episode to date. Moffat was the King of the cliffhanger.
I know I'm commenting but it's perfect. The death of a companion. 2 Masters. Cybermben and the Doctor desperate and lost! So good!
He was indeed awesome at setting them up. He didn't always deliver when it came to resolving them 😅
He did pretty well here I think, the lower overall stakes of this finale helped I'd say - no big intergalactic scale conflicts, just the Doctor fighting to save a small group of children. Beautifully told and executed.
Hands down the best thing about this episode was just how creepy it was. Bill walking into the room with the patients, still human underneath, and then the fact that she becomes one herself was brilliant. There was no way to reverse it, that was her fate. I don't think I'd been this creeped out by an episode since "The Waters of Mars", and I was only 13 then, 20 watching this episode. Moffat and Capaldi definitely went out on a high note.
I love this cliffhanger. Two Masters, Bill is a Cybermen, and the Doctor realizes just what he did. It's the perfect way to go into Capaldi's last few episodes.
These two had unbelievable on screen chemistry together!
nice comment
True
What two? There's only one.
2:25 Master of disguise!
I knew John Simm was returning but I was completely fooled right up to that point. So I still got a little bit of the surprise!
"Do you still like disguises? Of course, they are rather necessary when you happen to be... someone's... former Prime Minister..."
*"HARRIET JONES, FORMER PRIME MINISTER"*
@@Tumbleflop "Yes, we know who you are."
Same here. I spent the entire episode watching him and waiting for The Master to show up. :D
I never watched the ads prior to this so I was very shocked he returned. Shocked I tells you.
Same the reveal was still amazing
Man, the Mondasian Cybermen are scarier than their more silver-plated counterparts. Something about those medical masks and those gloves that just...*shudders*
If they're going for scarier Cyberman, the Mondasian ones win.
And the bandages, that always makes me queasy 😳
This was one of the best closing moments to Doctor Who in my opinion. Even knowing the Master would return, it was done in spectacular fashion. And CyberBill broke my heart... _I waited for you_
(And even though I thought it would be so crazy and interesting to have a companion turn into a Cyberman, *THIS* is why you shouldn't say things you'll regret people)
The time dilation within the floors of a giant colony ship was one of the most fantastic sci-fi concepts they've implemented in ages!
Agree, the best closing moment after the finale of Utopia for me
Liam Catterson I didnt think it was as spectacular as it could have been at all. The whole episode certainly could have been riveting. As usual with recent Doctor Who and Sherlock series, it’s been ‘tell, not show’. Characters standing talking in a room with very average dialogue (“Id call it a genesis.. the genesis of the cybermen” obviously trying too hard to make fans go crazy), master reveal is the same as all the other Master reveals, and loads of music slapped on later to make it feel more exciting than what’s actually playing out. The drama of the scene is rushed
Only Moffat could have dreamt something like that up....his successor has big shoes to fill. His 4 episodes were by far the best episodes of this season.
I was so sucked into this episode, I'd actually forgotten that John Simm was supposed to appear at some point. This ending totally floored me
This combined with the reveal of the Mondasian Cyberman and the fact it was Bill would have been the most shocking moment in years if it was kept secret, probably of the entire modern series. The problem is they did manage to keep it a secret for the most part but clearly didn’t have the confidence for the series beforehand so put Simm in the series 10 trailer, and then publicly announced his return! Complete marketing balls up, hopefully under Chibnall this sort of thing doesn’t happen again.
They only announced it because it was leaked before, actually.
Eleanor Emerson Leaked by the mirror and the sun because they put it in the trailer at the press screening, asking people to “look away when the spoiler arrives on screen”. They managed to avoid anyone knowing for months beforehand and then they put it in a trailer- as if the people who work in tabloid news are simply going to look away. Then to officially announce it is even worse. It’s peoples choice if they want to believe a tabloid like the mirror but if you officially confirm it then it’s completely ruined.
i didnt know when i watched the episode and now im not really gonna check dr who twitter
numpteez he wasn’t though, his character was photographed on set but no one actually clicked it was John Simm until after the confirmation of his return. It made sense marketing-wise, they wanted to bring back some viewers, but then they compromised on this big reveal which the episode built up to! So it was redundant, and a real shame.
I don't follow any of the tabloids or alternate sources other than the official Doctor Who pages so I would have been unspoilt if they didn't announce it.
The best reveal ever! Love the two Masters together!
Spencer C
The Master, Davros and Boba Fett are all in the very small group of men who know not the meaning of the word 'dead'.
Seeing as how there's big trouble brewing whenever the Doctor meets himself, I shudder to think what it means when the same happens to the Master.
"You met the ex."
Any youngsters here recognize the Cloister Bell?
The Sarcastic Ravenclaw so are you being sarcastic....
I was stunned. The Master created them.
I absolutely love the attention to detail with the music because of John Simm's return you can hear the 1234 at the end
The show hitting an absolute dizzying high here:
The gut-wrenching horror of the Cyberman's reveal, followed by the macabre humour of the two Masters. We are literally appalled at what has happened to poor Bill, and then seconds later we're LOLing at "Give us a kiss".
And not even feeling bad about the mood swing.
Steven's writing is so damn good OMG he just squeezes every last second peeling back every layer of the full situation with heavy emotional realisations on top I just get so gobsmacked
No matter what people say, this was one of the best episodes.
With one of the best Doctors.
Ruined only by the episode after it
@@jonathancampbell5231 Come on though....Doctor falls took the cybermen seriously, and they never got 'stopped'. its still better than s8 finale or closing time though.
Yeah, this and Parting of the Ways are the best finales.
@@michaeltaylor4375 yeah season 8 finale was so bad
I will never get over the way the Master mockingly says “Doctor!”
2:04 It took me a few listens, but listen to how the music builds here. It’s a slightly different rhythm and tune, but the instruments are the same. It’s “The Sound of Drums”, Simm’s theme from the Tennant era.
I had no idea of the spoiled reveal of Simm’s Master returning, this was such a well executed surprise for me.
The split second you realise it’s him when he goes back to his regular voice before taking off the he mask made the hair on my neck stand right on up.
If only they didn't put him in the trailer. No one managed to figure out he was in it and we managed to avoid all spoilers regarding Simm's return. There weren't any leaks at all. What a shame, as that could've been one of the greatest shock and awe moments of ALL TIME. Ugh. Simm was still great though.
The Gallifreyan Whovian but there was a leak. The Sun had the exclusive but before they published it, the BBC decided to include him in the trailers.
my genitals our itching now
When I watched this episode I had no idea John Simm was going to be in it. I didn't realise it was him until he revealed. It was a great moment.
"Give us a kiss"
I've never watched the trailer, but when I was there (in the series), I had watched only the seasons 5678 and 9, I didn't knew the master......... Thanks netflix
That was an amazing plot twist !
ESC Lisa Germany, would've been even better if we didn't know he was returning.
To be honest it was kinda ruined when we saw him in the Season 10 teaser at the end of The Pilot.
Josh Hill, he was announced even before then.
Yeah, I remember seeing a post about it on Twitter.
that's something I don't understand about people: nobody wants spoilers about a tv series but everytime they find a spoiler, they leak it immediately through internet or through a magazine... and then they complain, saying that what happen on the show would have been better if it was not leaked...
Anyway, a couple of magazine leaked John Simm's return, using some photos of him, capaldi and gomez on the set while filming. Since the news was already leaked, bbc made it official with the trailer... people must blame those magazine, not bbc.
I used to think that the cliffhanger at the end of The Army of Ghosts couldn’t be topped, but this haunting and poignant one just utterly usurped it in every respect - an epic reveal of John Simm’s Master combined with the unabashed horror of what the Mondasian Cybermen are.
Love how John Simm came back, if that never got spoiled it would of been one of the biggest reveals in Doctor who history
folks overlook them, but the ones who made this episode work are the makeup artists who made it possible to hide who was really under the mask of Razor: beautifully hidden in plain sight but enough of John Simm visible to make you go “how did i miss that!”
In my opinion this will always be the most chilling moment in all of NuWho. Even though I knew about both the Master's return and the Mondasian Cybermen (and also suspected that the Cyberman was Bill), this will forever send chills down my spine more than any other moment. The only one I can think of that can compete is the climax of Midnight.
The music is absolutely incredible!! Fits this scene so perfectly!
Wait, when Bill cried, the Cyberman cried too...is this why the new fully metal cybermen have a teardrop-like groove around their left eye?
Hang on.....
Oh my god it could be
If only they did....
MIssy-I can't believe I kissed you
The Master-Must have been your lifelong ambition
Well played, Kirk. Well played...
Ahhh, The Undiscovered Country, nice.
I’m glad I was lucky enough to watch this episode nearly 10 years after I first finished watching the show, to show up without watching any of the next episode credits to see this masterpiece of a twist blind
2:57 The way he says “Bill?” is heartbreaking 💔
This scene caught me by surprise even though we knew the master was going to show up.
I'm so glad that the mondasian Cybermen were back cause they were my favourite Cyberman design
gingeking and Lucy the stupid dog Cornwall have you listened to _Spare Parts_ and _The Silver Turk_ ?
Except for the stomping😦
I grew up watching Dr Who in the 80s. My first episode ever had the Doctor taking the Master's sealed ashes to be eternally locked away. He's been the greatest villain to me ever since. The idea that he's facing 2 incarnations while discovering such tragic heartbreak is amazing.
Anyone else remember when all you need to defeat a Cyberman was a bag of gold dust to clog the vent at the base of it's neck?
0:40 That lighting is superb
I remember when I first saw this episode. The cliffhanger was amazing. The big reveal of the two masters and that chilling "I waited for you" and the one tear running down her face. WOW.
I remember when I saw when this episode first aired, as soon as I heard, "Someone's former prime minister.' I nearly sh*t myself 🤣😂
@@IDCSarcasticSam I remember when the Master's return was spoiled in the trailers.
@@BaronMartin I remember why I rarely watch them.
When the Cybermen were humans with metal scraps in them
Uhhh creepy
I loved how dark this story was. The Mondasian Cybermen freaked me out especially when they were walking into the conversion theatre.
The soundtrack is also one of my favorites in the whole show. Had a horror theme and made the episode terrifying at some points. Spine tingling stuff.
And of course, the two Master's. The concept was perfectly executed and the chemistry between John Simm and Michelle Gomez was outstanding.
I honestly hope we get more stories like this in series 11. Probably unlikely though because these type of stories might suit an older, more classic who Doctor like Peter Capaldi.
I'm very keen to see Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor. She has been great in other shows like Broadchurch and I'm confident she'll be "oh brilliant" 😀.
This episode grows on me more and more every time I watch it. The music and the suspense throughout is incredible, and has now officially made this episode one of my favourites of 12's era
1:34 when I first heard that classic voice for the first time since the tenth planet I got instant chills
I rate this finale as one of the best. It hit all the right points- THe story, drama and acting were all superb. I didnt even mind the Liquid Pilot deus ex machina that much.
"I am robo-guy..."
"youre a cyberman! A mondasian cyberman!"
"that's the one..."
Here remembering how much more I loved this Master reveal than the recent one in Spyfall.
And lets not forget Utopia!!!
You obviously weren't around when they leaked that John Simm was in it.
Utopia was the best followed by this one.
Everytime I see this episode and john simms returning to his greatest role ever, I still get chills and wish capaldi never left the TARDIS.
Don't we all.
2:46 Say what you want about John Simm's Master but it is definately iconic to New Who.
The acting on Peter’s face just made this scene 10/10
Who come back here after series 12 latest episode?
Yep
Ah yes
I wanted to be reminded of the days when Doctor Who was still good lol
There is no series 12, what are you talking about, the show ended with Capaldi.
@@billmurray7676 yeah really! Idk why people keep acting like the show didn't end?
Mondasian Cybermen nailed the "uncanny valley". Other versions of the Cybermen are too close to robots. These ones are almost human, just... slightly off. It's much more unsettling. And the way they just open their mouths and words come out, sounding like distorted human voices but with the intonation on all the wrong words...
Perfection.
Who’s here after that Spyfall episode? lmao
Anoryxic I’m exited about the new doctor but god dam I love missy! The acting she gave us was OMG good
@@intouchdm whats there to be exited for lol
I'm kinda Hoping the Spyfall master is the one after Simms because he hates the Doctor again
@@alexrowdyrodrigues9716 It's either one between Simms and Missy or he pre-dates Jacoby and the Time War. It's very possible we've been meeting them out of order similar to River Song.
@@deityzero fingers crossed man
Master: If you happen to be someone’s former Prime Minister...
Meh he was still better than Boris Johnson
Way better
The zoom in on John when he pulls the mask off is an amazing subtle reference to classic who with its crazy cliffhanger shots. Love it!
On one hand, they really did Bill dirty. On the other hand, they did the Mondasian Cybermen REALLY well.
I couldn't take them seriously in The Tenth Planet, they looked and sounded too ridiculous. Which makes it impressive that they managed to make them more terrifying without actually changing that much about them (although it's probably just because they had production than they did in 1966)
"you'll never be so self destructive"
And, One episode later, they kill each other.
3:23. The Doctor's face is going "What...?"
The way John Simm's Master is reintroduced was such a brilliant throwback to Anthony Ainley Master's numerous disguises in late Classic Who.
THE FOUR KNOCKS IN THE MUSIC THEME
The music at the beginning is killer
Fantastic!
This story is an absolute masterpiece. My favourite Capaldi Story, from series 10, one of the best series ever in my opinion and possibly the creepiest the cybermen have been
*former prime minister on EARTH*
*wears a disguise so he's not recognised... on a MONDASIAN ship*
Master: like I needed an excuse
They explain the next episode he also became a politician there after his TARDIS crashed.
He took over the Mondas ship too, till they overthrew him and forced
Him into hiding.
He was hiding his identity from Bill. Who would immediately have recognised Harold Saxon. Probably.
His explanation is pretty sound. For the top of the ship time is a matter of minutes. In the same time the further down the ship you go, years can pass. He saw the Tardis appear, would've known at least one of the people stepping out of it would be human, and doesn't want to chance that they know who Harold Saxon is, and would recognise him immediately.
hes Bill's former prime minister
Russell has got to bring these two back. Totally superb.
I loved Bill Potts. Best companion since Donna Noble.
Agreed. I really wish she had more than 1 season.
i desperately wished capaldi did another season with bill and nardole. 10 is the best season hands down. and hes the best doctor
Imagine If Simm returning was kept secret? We’d all be blown away and would be the best reveal in DW history
it's The Sun's fault for spoiling the reveal. Absolute rag of a paper.
When a companion of the doctor leaves it’s bitter sweet, when they are killed it’s just…devastating 😢
This would of been such a great plot twist if John sinn was not accounced his return
TimeForTeletubbies it really would be, when I see Americans react to it (who haven’t watched the trailers) they go mad
Johnny Sins is a different kind of actor)
I actually didn't had it spoiled for me. This was one of my favorite episodes, confused with what is happening, and slowly realizing that they're building cybermen, and that Bill turned into one. Great twist.
Lucky you!
I actually loved the last 2 episodes of this series. Really did creep me out. The cyber men are still one of the best villains but the older version.
Sweet Jesus, the Mondasian cybermen. Their voice, their faces make them by far and away the best version we've seen of them in NewWho. Bring them back please! May be the first time I've genuinely been scared of a cyberman...
I knew The Master was coming back, but I was fooled by his hobo disguise
World Enough and Time / The Doctor Falls was a perfect story!!
The old Mondasian Cyberman costume is cheap and flimsy, and yet is absolutely terrifying. It hits that uncanny valley in the perfect way that the modern Cyberman (or hell even the later iterations of Cybermen in classic who) just seem to miss. The design, the movements, and the voice are so WRONG and yet so perfect.
Thank god we found out how the master regenerated
I seriously loved this episode a lot. It felt classic. William Hartnell would be proud.
So extremely cool of them to bring the original cybermen back. Hopefully, we get to see more :D
Sadly unlikely under Chibnall. Besides even if he did bring them back, he doesn't have the writing skills to make them anywhere near as scary as in this episode.
I love the voice of the cyberman, it's like its computer processing every sentence
2:20 this moment would have been so much better if it wasn't spoiled in the trailers
Three of my top five favourite villains together, and ALL of them former/current companions of The Doctor. It's why this episode/Series/Doctor/Show is SO amazing. love, Love, LOVE it!
Yep.
theres something just so aesthetically pleasing about the shot at 0:56 idk why
Best doctor who scene of all time
My all-time favourite scene in Doctor Who history...
Oh man this was such a good cliffhanger. I miss Moffat.
I can't believe that I just now put together that when he says "former prime minister" he meant that Bill would have recognized him as Harold Saxon. What a great thing to consider when disguising him.
These ones look so much more scary than the armored ones, god damn