The incredible thing about David Tennant and Matt Smith is that they were known for being among the most fun-loving and friendly Doctors, yet could also be the most sinister.
I think they are the best ones, so powerful and deep, at the same time. Particulary, Matt Smith. One of my favourites scenes is when Rory went to a Cyberman Crusader to get his baby back, dressed as a knight, and the Cybermans ask him why they should fear him, then he says they shouldn't, they should fear the doctor. After that, all the Cyberman's ships exploded in the sky. Matt Smith's Doctor seems the most happy and outgoing of them, but he wouldn't accept any more losses, he would burn all the skies in order to avoid that. Sadly, this was far from being enough
I saw 11 as rather intimidating when he was angry. But that paled when 10 started slipping. He wasn’t intimidating, he was utterly terrifying. That wire thin line into becoming a monster.
Rishiraj Bhowmick 11 just had tons of guilt for his entire existence, though he still had fun. 10 remembers, regrets everything, with that dark side. 12 was just dark, nothing playful, just dark. The 13th is just- She has no personality.
@@cityguard4847 I really thought this most recent season, they were going somewhere with 13. Like very occasionally she would do something like raise her voice and I was like 'oh yeah here it comes' and then it would just fizzle out. I'm absolutely furious about it, why won't they let her show anger??!?!
Eden Sanden showing the doctors anger is one way to go, but it’s certainly not the only way. We’ve had four in a row who all had pretty palpable rage, I don’t want that to be the new normal. I don’t think the Chibnall era is excellent so far, but I think it’s mostly pretty good. And after Matt Smith was given about forty repetitive “badass” angry speeches I welcome the change. The doctor’s personality is supposed to be different, that’s the nature of regeneration. I feel like everyone is really upset that 13 isn’t following all the exact same beats as 10, 11 and 12
I think any Doctor could have been a great Master. It’s only a thin line before the Doctor becomes his best friend. Imagine 11, but evil. That childish demeanor becomes sick. Or 12 his complete sociopath moments stop being funny when he’s genuinely trying to kill everyone
The fact that we got a confirmed suicide in that episode _because_ The Doctor put himself first was very dark ;-; Then again, A Town Called Mercy was great too in my opinion, when The Doctor almost killed someone out of spite.
@@jackofalltrades6718 you COULD argue the point THAT character commited war crimes and the doctors action were justified! but by the time we got to 11th HE commited genocide at least twice, and was to do it again on his change, our doctor is FAAAAAAR from innocent!
Actually it wasn’t the first time. At the very beginning of the show, the first doctor was a selfish and cowardly bastard who in his first episode kidnapped two schoolteachers out of fear, considered killing a caveman with a rock just because he was slowing them down, and then pretended that the TARDIS was broken just so that he and his companions could go and explore the potentially dangerous city which turned out to be where the Daleks were living. But over the course of season 1 he slowly softened up and by season 2 he was much more like the Doctor we now know and love.
"Brother of Mine" isn't saying that The Doctor never in his existence raised his voice. It was just in that one story when he punished the Family Of Blood, he never yelled *at them.* He spoke calmly even in his wrath. It made their punishment all the more unsettling to him because The Doctor was completely temperate,
The Doctor: "If you think because she is dead that I am weak, then you understand very little. If you had anything to do with killing her, and you're not afraid, then you understand nothing at all. So for your own sake, understand this: I am The Doctor. I'm coming to find you. And I will never, ever stop." The man said this line for *4.6 BILLION YEARS.*
@Coconut Pal Clara. It was in one of the most captivating Doctor Who episodes ever: Heaven Sent. I won't give the game away so I don't give spoilers, but suffice it to say the Clara's death was in the previous episode, which this one follows.
I always found 11's darker moments the more impactful for them being so unusual compared to his general happy demeanor. Also, it was quite frequently done in a more subtle way, and i think sometimes the better for it, than others.
@Winter Wren Yeah, you're really wrapped up in the moment, and then it kinda hits you. Similar to with General Runaway, when the Doctor is both angry and in control, he can be terrifying. Like he said, good men don't have so many rules.
This is why The Doctor needs his companions, especially Ten. Like Donna once said “Sometimes he needs someone to stop him.” I think perhaps his loneliness changes into arrogance and rage.
Nothing from Peter? Or the time when the Doctor slammed the door on Amy! Leaving her to die alone, after waiting years to be saved!? After forcing Rory to decide!
I feel like, while Peter definitely had his darker moments he was the doctor who would finally remembered that the Doctor was a symbol of hope and that he has to live up to the reputation he has built.
@@perkele2040 I would have included his threat to Me, to save Clara or else he'd destroy everything she'd worked for. That is the Doctor breaking down and becoming closer to The Master than ever before. "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!" Is what the Doctor is screaming. That, and the Zygon Inversion, the speech about understanding. "AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES!! I hear more screams than you could ever imagine..." Both are incredibly dark moments for Capaldi's Doctor.
11 was dark sometimes but it was more intimidating 10 was absolutely terrifying because yes his rage and anger slipped out every once in awhile but during the 3rd season and the 4th season you can see him just slipping away. The 10th doctor is the most emotionally and mentally unstable doctor. Like most of the episodes is him just trying not to breakdown.
Nothing’s darker than “Yes you can, and you will, or I will expose this tiny little street to the whole laughing world. l’ll bring UNIT, I’ll bring Zygons. Give me a minute, I’ll bring Daleks and the Cybermen. You will save Clara Oswald or I’ll rain the hell on you for the rest of your life.” “The Doctor is not here, you are stuck with me! I will end you, and everything you love.”
"I was lost a long time ago. [She wasn't saving me,] she was saving _you._ I'll do my best, but I strongly advise you keep out of my way. _You'll find it's a very small universe when I'm angry with you."_
I love the moments of the show where they let the Doctor's PTSD, they show the reasoning behind how he acts and why he's so merciless in some aspects. And yet why he's so forgiving in others. His life, mind and mind has been ruined by what he's done, what he became.
That line in a town called mercy: all the people died because of my mercy I really liked that part too, simple line but powerful, in total 11's anger made me frightened the most
I miss 12th Doctor's "The Doctor is no longer here, you are stuck with me!" as this really sent the Chills up and down my Spin. but it's good as it is :D
7:48 I'm still convinced that this moment was actually David Tennant being mad about how HE won't be The Doctor anymore, because #10 should know that he can still regenerate, so why is he so mad about not being able to do so much more?
To explain the in universe reason behind this understand that 10 already used a regeneration whilst keeping his face, and although he doesn't exist at this time the war doctor also used one of lives meaning this is his last regeneration until the time lords grant him a new set of regenerations.
I love the Tenth Doctor so much, but it's really surprising and scary how he can become so utterly terrifying and that's one of the things I like about him, because it reminds me of his past and who he is. Also, his wrath is impressive...
Who else thinks that the speech at Akaten is so emotional because he is basically living through all of his life’s all the highs all the lows and especially when he "killed" all the Timelords
Love the irony of Devros trying to psycho-babble The Doctor by trying the "we're not so different you and I" speech. Dude, you created a race with the express purpose of killing existence down to a submolecular level, while your antagonist has been solo'ing your entire engineered species of talking wartanks for centuries. One initiated the hostile action, the other one's trying to stop it. Like saying that a parent who kills their child's murderer is as bad as the child murderer himself because they both killed.
That’s the thing. You take away the circumstances and they have similar traits. Especially to Davros’ warped view. Genius intellect Committed atrocities Created weapons/soldiers out of people. Possibly mad.
That scene is a lot darker than you give it credit, I think. Look at it as if Davros and the daleks are lawful evil. They follow a code or belief structure, even if its "kill everything that isn't dalek." They're predictable, and the audience can accept their motivations even if they don't agree. The Children of Time (as Davros refers to the Doctor's current/past companions) are mostly neutral/chaotic good. They have the potential to do anything regardless of rules, and they'll often ignore personal morals if they believe it to be the right choice. They sometimes make these choices regardless of consequences, even when the end result will end in deaths. Even their fellow companions can't see how dangerous that mindset is, shown in how Rose cheered on the others laying traps while she/Ten were captive. Because the companions can't be easily predicted, and because they have free thought and will, the Doctor inadvertently created an army potentially more devastating than Davros's daleks. And that is the legacy that Davros wanted the Doctor to see.
@jager64xxx xxxpanzer With the exception that the Daleks have consistently, repeatedly and remorselessly tried to eradicate EXISTENCE ITSELF. Trying to liken an omnicidal, hateful, xenophobic, genetically psychopathic (no, really, they are), not to mention FICTIONAL, to the cultures the westerners found frankly says more about you than anything else. And to expand; The Doctor makes mistakes, he KNOWS he makes mistakes. However, his 'moral ground' is significantly enhanced considering that the Daleks have not once tried to not kill every other being they came across, with their sole exception trying to change that because he was infected (his own words btw) with human genes -and he got promptly killed for it. If the Daleks had, even once in their thousands of years of in-universe existence tried to coexit, you might have had a point there, but they never did. Frankly, eradicating the Daleks isn't 'genocide' so much as putting a rabid dog down. So, yeah, sorry, but the Doctor isn't a hypocrite, he's just faced with the issue "if the Daleks live, inevitably, they will at some point succeed at destroying all of existence". He's not going out there picking fights; he's trying to keep them from fighting (and killing) EVERYTHING ELSE.
Jodie deserves a better screenwriter. She's an amazing actress but her doctor is so shallow because Chibnall insists on writing bedtime stories rather than sci to scenarios that pushes the doctor to decide between hard moral choices
The 10th Doctor’s freak out before he regenerates gets me every time. He tried to save everyone and help the universe but he still lost everything. Then when he says “I don’t wanna go” before he changes, it really hits me in the feels. He could’ve done a lot more and really changed for the better.
In classic DW, it was incredibly rare for the Doctor to travel alone. So it was interesting to explore that side of the Doctor, what happens when he's alone. Ten of course experienced this the most and he was still basically dealing with the Time War. He lost three companions fairly close together and he also had some of the most complicated relationships with his companions as well. Added to that he was incredibly vain. Brilliant and he knew it. He had to be stopped.
stopped at what? you people only consider one action of him as evil which may or may not have had negative effects and still it was nothing compared to some crimes which doctors before and after him did and you gloss over them
There are a few moments in Eleven that register to me as not necessarily dark, but surprisingly cold, like pulling Amy away from Rory and flying the TARDIS away in Cold Blood or lying to and shutting the door on the old Amy in The Girl Who Waited. I sometimes got the sense that he was so sick of losing friends after Ten that he would twist the heavens to protect Amy specifically, and if he had to choose between saving Amy and saving another person the other person would suddenly mean nothing to him. But in stories like Girl Who Waited and God Complex, he starts to realize that it won't change the ending to the story and decides to give Amy and Rory their lives back.
The hungry earth episode, when Ambrose collects weapons and the 11th doctor calmly tells her to put them away. No speech, no raised voice, just a single icy command. It's amazing just how well Smith portrays his emotion through facial expression alone. We don't see the doctor being nice, we see him threatening. It isn't a charming smile on his face, it's a vicious smirk, full of malice and cruel fury, telling her "you've been severely warned and I won't tell you again" and quite frankly his face at that point terrifies me, because you know full well what he's capable of if she disobeys him and he's incredibly aware of it himself. That moment is 11 thinking "oh just try it lady, see what happens if you cross me".
"THREE KNOCKS IS ALL YOU'RE GETTING!" has been one of my favorite moments in Doctor Who since I was twelve/thirteen years old(my b-day passed halfway through the "Who-athon") when me and my family watched all of new who start to finish in preparation for "The Day of the Doctor" on the 50th anniversary. There will likely never be another doctor that captures the same energy as Ten.
What about the time he said "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." Basically he's saying "i'm a very bad man, but i try very hard not to be. Don't give me a reason to stop trying"
When 10 started slipping in to his "time lord victorious" mind set it was pretty dark to see the man who had been so against abusing his power to give in to that temptation
Nine and Ten had the dark spark, Eleven tried, Twelve didnt get proper chance, Thirteen failed. Waiting for Fourteen. No, wait. Twelve had the spark too.
I always thought the Tenth Doctor's darkest moment was in the Xmas special/finale episode; "The End of Time" when the Master brings back the Time Lords, Gallifrey and the WHOLE event of the Time War, when he describes to the Master when the war 'turned into hell' and how we finally learn and see the Doctor look so broke and so low, filled with so much guilt and remorse of having to sacrifice his own people when Time Lords like Rassilon turned corrupt and unreasonable of willing to end the war at whatever the cost.
I'm always being so aware to this 'Doctor', he's not always some man of generosity but something dark blinded him completely. Maybe he deserves to live in shame because of a horrific man he would soon become that would lead him to suffer by anger and hate.
It’s moments like these that show the doctor had different phases of damage from the time war such as but not limited to: desperation to save as many as possible, death seeking to escape, guilt, acting like judge jury and executioner, loneliness from realization as the last, and the mode unsettling the moments he plays god and proves why he has the right and power to do so,
9 was the Survivor of the Time War, the Dark Lord trying to be good. He could lose his cool any time. 10 was the Man who regretted his choice in the Time War, and slowly declared war on Time itself... he went slowly over the edge of sanity 11 was the man whi tried to forget, The Madman in the Blue Box. He was the child who would turn into The Most Feared Being in All the Cosmos if you made him really angry 12 was the Kind Man, the Idiot who tried to help. He could turn into The Vengeful God, the Valeyard rose when Clara died
i think you forgot the zigon invasion with kate and boni about to kill eachother with the two boxes and him getting really dark over how many bad things hes done
Favourite dark moment is McCoy, in Renembrance of the Daleks. After he has just killed Davros, so atmospherically that he should have stayed dead that time, he gives a Dalek much the same treatment as Eccles here, but an active Dakek in mid-orders, + kills it by confusing it.
I was upset when 10 started turning into someone resembling the Master, but then I realized he was so far gone that he didn't do the next best thing, which was to save them and bring them to some point in the future so that history would continue on as ordered as though the crew on the base had disappeared.
In old who, there was an evil version of the doctor called the Valeyard, which is/was said to be one of his possible final incarnations. Which is why 10 had moments of ruthlessness It was hinting at the possibility of him being/becoming that incarnation.
The best dalek episodes are when the doctor shows the mpst hate for them. It always comes down to him saying they have no purpose in life and then he finds out there's more.
How has no one mentioned 11 in the girl who waited. When he slams the door in old Amy’s face, tells Rory to decide who to save, moving his hand to the handle, then just leaves. He doesn’t even stay around to explain to young Amy when she wakes up, he just leaves with a horrifyingly sinister look on his face when he hears her ask about her older self. He lied to old Amy and Rory the whole time. He was cruel in that episode and no ones mentioning it. Definitely one of the darkest doctor moments, if not the darkest. His actions are way worse than the water of Mars, even if his words aren’t
Eccelston’s doctor perfectly displays a veteran with ptsd. His emotions vary quickly and he panics and worries more. When he’s reminded of the time war he quickly breaks down. He’s an old soldier trying to keep his courage and ended with it.
The 10th fucks me up cause most of the doctors got almost or over a hundred years, and 10 only got 6. His frustrations are all valid because, despite using up an extra regeneration just to stay a bit longer, he lived almost no time compared to the rest of them.
It took one woman's sacrifice to bring the 10th doctor down from this godlike opinion of his, and do so with the blunt force of a meteor crashing into the earth. Confidence and ego maniacal one minute, then humbled and ashamed the next.
The more I watch of Matt Smith as the Doctor, the more I can't distinguish between Daemon Targaryen and the Doctor, they just seem so similar in his portrayal beyond them both being acted by him A great example is when he's shouting at Colonel Run Away and the eyepatch woman says that good men have too many rules. The way he turns and glares at her slowly like some kind of reptilian predator just makes me think of the subtle ways you can see the true evil on Daemon's face in some scenes. The scene where Daemon and Rhaenyra are facing off on Dragonstone and he contemplates killing her, the scene where Daemon chokes Rhaenyra in the end of Season 1, the look Daemon gives Rhea Royce right before he kills her. Matt Smith has absolutely nailed the "murderous intent" look and Doctor Who seems to have the best examples
My two favourite dark moments of Dr Who, both from Remembrance of the Daleks. 7ths speech before obliterating Skaro + Davros. Then the scene where Ace + the Dr are sat on the stairs + he talks about the hand of Omega, "And didn't we have trouble with the first one...." Such a small throwaway line that hinted at do much in the Drs past.
Okay. I wouldn't call myself the biggest DW fan, so I haven't kept up with it outside of casual interest, but can someone explain that face thing to me at 3:45 ? That seems like it's either a trip and a half, or wildly complicated.
She's had so much plastic surgery that that's all that's left. Problem is that a sheet of skin's going to dry out; and she required frequent moisturisation. Unfortunately, with her plan foiled, she got teleported back onto the ship by The Doctor to answer for her mischief, which included her leaving the ship to heat up in the moments before the expansion of the Sun. He stood there and watched as she dried out and tightened until she tore herself apart under her own tension. A worthy candidate for the list.
I watched 11th one first and for me he has just so many great moments and even more smaller hreater moments. Amazing job by 11th actor, I'm going to watch 10th and maybe I will love jkm more but damn I just love the character and perosnality of 11th.
Again, he needs his companions to keep him sane, to keep him slipping but at the same time losing them pushes him ever closer to being the furious burning man..until the next one comes and fixes it again.
The incredible thing about David Tennant and Matt Smith is that they were known for being among the most fun-loving and friendly Doctors, yet could also be the most sinister.
I think they are the best ones, so powerful and deep, at the same time. Particulary, Matt Smith. One of my favourites scenes is when Rory went to a Cyberman Crusader to get his baby back, dressed as a knight, and the Cybermans ask him why they should fear him, then he says they shouldn't, they should fear the doctor. After that, all the Cyberman's ships exploded in the sky. Matt Smith's Doctor seems the most happy and outgoing of them, but he wouldn't accept any more losses, he would burn all the skies in order to avoid that. Sadly, this was far from being enough
sinister yes but after seeing capaldi go dark i think it is no competition, Jodie is showing some of it too
@@dudeyouresick4281 That's not excactly how the scene played out.
@@ThePhantomLK O.o Would you like me to repeat the question?
Weirdly they both now have played some type of psycopath in other movies and series 🙃
I saw 11 as rather intimidating when he was angry.
But that paled when 10 started slipping. He wasn’t intimidating, he was utterly terrifying. That wire thin line into becoming a monster.
10 only started slipping because rose died
Imagine if he returned as a Doctor from another timeline where he truly became the Timelord Victorious?
I Saw the horrorified eyes of vastra when she Saw an 11th angry, in dubbed versión that isnt visible.
At 4:50 I wanted to parrot Samwise Gamgee: "Can't you hear yourself? Don't you know who you sound like?"
@@Mr.Foxhat Wait...
10th almost scared me..there was this visible darkness in his eyes when he was angry
Then comes 11's colonel runaway
Rishiraj Bhowmick that’s not fair it’s just one line
Rishiraj Bhowmick 11 just had tons of guilt for his entire existence, though he still had fun. 10 remembers, regrets everything, with that dark side. 12 was just dark, nothing playful, just dark. The 13th is just- She has no personality.
jager64xxx xxxpanzer yeah I agree. 13 has had nothing worthwhile honestly
@@cityguard4847 I really thought this most recent season, they were going somewhere with 13. Like very occasionally she would do something like raise her voice and I was like 'oh yeah here it comes' and then it would just fizzle out. I'm absolutely furious about it, why won't they let her show anger??!?!
Eden Sanden showing the doctors anger is one way to go, but it’s certainly not the only way. We’ve had four in a row who all had pretty palpable rage, I don’t want that to be the new normal. I don’t think the Chibnall era is excellent so far, but I think it’s mostly pretty good. And after Matt Smith was given about forty repetitive “badass” angry speeches I welcome the change. The doctor’s personality is supposed to be different, that’s the nature of regeneration. I feel like everyone is really upset that 13 isn’t following all the exact same beats as 10, 11 and 12
I think David Tennant would be just as a good master as he was a good doctor
TheAdequateBee yeah. he couldve made a very good villain
Killgrave lol
CHARLOTTE WATKINS i meant as the doctor. if youre talking villains played by david tennant, the first choice is obviously kilgrave
I think any Doctor could have been a great Master. It’s only a thin line before the Doctor becomes his best friend. Imagine 11, but evil. That childish demeanor becomes sick. Or 12 his complete sociopath moments stop being funny when he’s genuinely trying to kill everyone
@@vullord666 you want to see a truely DARK doctor go check out 7th! Where do you think the inspiration for 11ths darkness comes from!!!
The Waters of Mars was the darkest episode ever. For the first time ever the Doctor was putting him self before anyone
The fact that we got a confirmed suicide in that episode _because_ The Doctor put himself first was very dark ;-; Then again, A Town Called Mercy was great too in my opinion, when The Doctor almost killed someone out of spite.
@@jackofalltrades6718 you COULD argue the point THAT character commited war crimes and the doctors action were justified! but by the time we got to 11th HE commited genocide at least twice, and was to do it again on his change, our doctor is FAAAAAAR from innocent!
Like I said 10 being the most human makes him selfish (in good and bad ways, 10 was and always will be the best doctor)
Actually it wasn’t the first time. At the very beginning of the show, the first doctor was a selfish and cowardly bastard who in his first episode kidnapped two schoolteachers out of fear, considered killing a caveman with a rock just because he was slowing them down, and then pretended that the TARDIS was broken just so that he and his companions could go and explore the potentially dangerous city which turned out to be where the Daleks were living.
But over the course of season 1 he slowly softened up and by season 2 he was much more like the Doctor we now know and love.
and it was the only time as well, which was also briefly and everyone villainize him for that short time
That line right there "you would make a good dalek" is provably the scariest line cause hes running from that truth
So true
@schoolterrorist when capaldi is in rusty i think.
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After he gets out actually.
He says “I am not a good Dalek. *You* are a good Dalek.”
@schoolterrorist Yeah, right up there with "This is not war, this is PEST CONTROL!" that makes me chuckle every time i watch that scene
@Ututwhynot oddly enough, could you even blame the Daleks? They were created by a madman. If anything, I would blame Davros.
Eccelston was a damn good doctor if he didn’t have creative differences with BBC it would’ve been a great run … one would say fantastic
Emma Feustel that is a good point and I feel like that’s something I should’ve realized sooner
Emma Feustel ah… I see
From what I understood he felt he wasn't meant to be a funny actor. He wanted to be a serious actor and being the doctor didn't fit as being serious
FANTASTIC
@Sgt. Smiley Nobody really knows
To be honest, Ten scared me in the end and especially in the specials
the time Lord victorious arc makes me really fucking terrified of him ngl
"The doctor never raises his voice"
10: "AND I'M GONNA WIN!!!!!"
never raised*
We forgetting te time he shouted "I'm not listening"
"Brother of Mine" isn't saying that The Doctor never in his existence raised his voice.
It was just in that one story when he punished the Family Of Blood, he never yelled *at them.* He spoke calmly even in his wrath. It made their punishment all the more unsettling to him because The Doctor was completely temperate,
@@Echognomics101 it's a joke
@@sin_trashvods3948
Joke doesn't work when the quote is wrong.
"fear me I've killed hundreds of timelords" "Fear me I've killed all of them" sounds like itachi
Like who?
@@biteme4322 Naruto character
😂 I love this comment, never made the connection before
@@obeisms2627 yeah makes sense because they both killed their "clan" for the good
King Megalodon Crispin Freeman!
when the 9th Doctor happily tortured the Dalek, that's when I knew The Doctor is more than a quirky time travelling alien.
The Doctor: "If you think because she is dead that I am weak, then you understand very little. If you had anything to do with killing her, and you're not afraid, then you understand nothing at all. So for your own sake, understand this: I am The Doctor. I'm coming to find you. And I will never, ever stop."
The man said this line for *4.6 BILLION YEARS.*
If the Doctor starred in Taken.
Relationship goals? O.o
My favorite episode of all time
@Coconut Pal Clara. It was in one of the most captivating Doctor Who episodes ever: Heaven Sent.
I won't give the game away so I don't give spoilers, but suffice it to say the Clara's death was in the previous episode, which this one follows.
@@Songguy1985what if Liam Neeson's character in Taken was reincarnated into The Doctor.
I always found 11's darker moments the more impactful for them being so unusual compared to his general happy demeanor. Also, it was quite frequently done in a more subtle way, and i think sometimes the better for it, than others.
@Winter Wren Yeah, you're really wrapped up in the moment, and then it kinda hits you. Similar to with General Runaway, when the Doctor is both angry and in control, he can be terrifying. Like he said, good men don't have so many rules.
This is why The Doctor needs his companions, especially Ten. Like Donna once said “Sometimes he needs someone to stop him.” I think perhaps his loneliness changes into arrogance and rage.
Nothing from Peter? Or the time when the Doctor slammed the door on Amy! Leaving her to die alone, after waiting years to be saved!? After forcing Rory to decide!
I feel like, while Peter definitely had his darker moments he was the doctor who would finally remembered that the Doctor was a symbol of hope and that he has to live up to the reputation he has built.
@@perkele2040 I would have included his threat to Me, to save Clara or else he'd destroy everything she'd worked for. That is the Doctor breaking down and becoming closer to The Master than ever before. "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!" Is what the Doctor is screaming. That, and the Zygon Inversion, the speech about understanding. "AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES!! I hear more screams than you could ever imagine..." Both are incredibly dark moments for Capaldi's Doctor.
im glad that everyone here doesnt mention that joke of a doctor, 13th.
@@mrSparkowsky Tbh I think Jodie is a great actress, but is unfortunately being given pretty terrible writing, mirrors what Colin Baker had actually
@@mrSparkowsky She doesn't had a dark moment yet, give her time ^^
11 was dark sometimes but it was more intimidating
10 was absolutely terrifying because yes his rage and anger slipped out every once in awhile but during the 3rd season and the 4th season you can see him just slipping away. The 10th doctor is the most emotionally and mentally unstable doctor. Like most of the episodes is him just trying not to breakdown.
Nothing’s darker than “Yes you can, and you will, or I will expose this tiny little street to the whole laughing world. l’ll bring UNIT, I’ll bring Zygons. Give me a minute, I’ll bring Daleks and the Cybermen. You will save Clara Oswald or I’ll rain the hell on you for the rest of your life.”
“The Doctor is not here, you are stuck with me! I will end you, and everything you love.”
@Winter Wren Twelfth Doctor’s Face the Raven in series 9
Idk the everything has its time like is insanely dark
He is SO scary in that scene!
Yes. The Valeyard rose very briefly, thankfully, in that moment.
"I was lost a long time ago. [She wasn't saving me,] she was saving _you._
I'll do my best, but I strongly advise you keep out of my way. _You'll find it's a very small universe when I'm angry with you."_
I love the moments of the show where they let the Doctor's PTSD, they show the reasoning behind how he acts and why he's so merciless in some aspects. And yet why he's so forgiving in others. His life, mind and mind has been ruined by what he's done, what he became.
That line in a town called mercy: all the people died because of my mercy
I really liked that part too, simple line but powerful, in total 11's anger made me frightened the most
I miss 12th Doctor's "The Doctor is no longer here, you are stuck with me!" as this really sent the Chills up and down my Spin.
but it's good as it is :D
Especially when you remember that the last time the Doctor was "not here" ended in the extermination of the two most powerful races in the universe.
"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." -11th Doctor.
7th doctor comes along "why do people forget I committed genocide on skaro among many things?"
in all serious though loved this good vid!
Exactly what I was thinking..... fans these days just completely disregard the classic series
@@minidwarfdude9230 himself? I mean depending on the incarceration
@@minidwarfdude9230 ?
@@justsome500yearoldwithsmug2 I think dwarfdude is mistaking genocide for suicide, and also being rude for no reason.
@@SyrenKindra ah...thanks for clearing that up!
7:48 I'm still convinced that this moment was actually David Tennant being mad about how HE won't be The Doctor anymore, because #10 should know that he can still regenerate, so why is he so mad about not being able to do so much more?
Didn’t Tennant quit willingly??
@@ospreyphil8995 I have no idea, but his acting in this moment seems like he was forced off... great acting regardless tho
To explain the in universe reason behind this understand that 10 already used a regeneration whilst keeping his face, and although he doesn't exist at this time the war doctor also used one of lives meaning this is his last regeneration until the time lords grant him a new set of regenerations.
I love the Tenth Doctor so much, but it's really surprising and scary how he can become so utterly terrifying and that's one of the things I like about him, because it reminds me of his past and who he is. Also, his wrath is impressive...
I found eccleston and tennant actually scary when they lose it and make threats. i couldnt believe Matt Smith though.
That scene with Wilfred makes me bawl every time
The doctor is a man who saw pain in the universe and rather than erase it he decided to endure it for the sake of everyone else.
Why does the doctor holding a *gun* give me chills?
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Who else thinks that the speech at Akaten is so emotional because he is basically living through all of his life’s all the highs all the lows and especially when he "killed" all the Timelords
My favourite is not the doctor being dark... it's midnight. Showing what us humans would be like in a close situation for this!
Love the irony of Devros trying to psycho-babble The Doctor by trying the "we're not so different you and I" speech. Dude, you created a race with the express purpose of killing existence down to a submolecular level, while your antagonist has been solo'ing your entire engineered species of talking wartanks for centuries. One initiated the hostile action, the other one's trying to stop it. Like saying that a parent who kills their child's murderer is as bad as the child murderer himself because they both killed.
"solo-ing" lmao rpg vibes
That’s the thing.
You take away the circumstances and they have similar traits. Especially to Davros’ warped view.
Genius intellect
Committed atrocities
Created weapons/soldiers out of people.
Possibly mad.
That scene is a lot darker than you give it credit, I think. Look at it as if Davros and the daleks are lawful evil. They follow a code or belief structure, even if its "kill everything that isn't dalek." They're predictable, and the audience can accept their motivations even if they don't agree. The Children of Time (as Davros refers to the Doctor's current/past companions) are mostly neutral/chaotic good. They have the potential to do anything regardless of rules, and they'll often ignore personal morals if they believe it to be the right choice. They sometimes make these choices regardless of consequences, even when the end result will end in deaths. Even their fellow companions can't see how dangerous that mindset is, shown in how Rose cheered on the others laying traps while she/Ten were captive. Because the companions can't be easily predicted, and because they have free thought and will, the Doctor inadvertently created an army potentially more devastating than Davros's daleks. And that is the legacy that Davros wanted the Doctor to see.
Lmao the way you phrased this reminds me a lot of people whining about antifa who is also just, yknow, preventing bad things
@jager64xxx xxxpanzer With the exception that the Daleks have consistently, repeatedly and remorselessly tried to eradicate EXISTENCE ITSELF.
Trying to liken an omnicidal, hateful, xenophobic, genetically psychopathic (no, really, they are), not to mention FICTIONAL, to the cultures the westerners found frankly says more about you than anything else.
And to expand; The Doctor makes mistakes, he KNOWS he makes mistakes. However, his 'moral ground' is significantly enhanced considering that the Daleks have not once tried to not kill every other being they came across, with their sole exception trying to change that because he was infected (his own words btw) with human genes -and he got promptly killed for it. If the Daleks had, even once in their thousands of years of in-universe existence tried to coexit, you might have had a point there, but they never did. Frankly, eradicating the Daleks isn't 'genocide' so much as putting a rabid dog down. So, yeah, sorry, but the Doctor isn't a hypocrite, he's just faced with the issue "if the Daleks live, inevitably, they will at some point succeed at destroying all of existence". He's not going out there picking fights; he's trying to keep them from fighting (and killing) EVERYTHING ELSE.
7:09 am I the only one who hears Strax giggling when the Doctor says he wants the colonel to tell his men to, “Run away.”
Vastra's hiss when the doctor snapped on Col Runaway scares me
It was dorium who laughed not strax
I NEED dark thirteen. I NEED it like I need AIR to BREATHE
Hannah Barch oh honey my poor wlw heart would forget how to breathe, honestly
Yellow Bord we got some dark 13 at the end of the latest season and lemme tell ya I nearly exploded
@@hannahbarch4695 oh gosh yeah i just caught up- i am in tears miss jodie
Jodie deserves a better screenwriter. She's an amazing actress but her doctor is so shallow because Chibnall insists on writing bedtime stories rather than sci to scenarios that pushes the doctor to decide between hard moral choices
The time when the master forced her to kneel, the LOOK in her EYES!
1:06 When he screams "I can do anything" it gives so much power to the character.
The 10th Doctor’s freak out before he regenerates gets me every time. He tried to save everyone and help the universe but he still lost everything. Then when he says “I don’t wanna go” before he changes, it really hits me in the feels. He could’ve done a lot more and really changed for the better.
and the fact that if we compare his lifetime with other doctors, he literally died before having a chance to grow up
In classic DW, it was incredibly rare for the Doctor to travel alone. So it was interesting to explore that side of the Doctor, what happens when he's alone. Ten of course experienced this the most and he was still basically dealing with the Time War. He lost three companions fairly close together and he also had some of the most complicated relationships with his companions as well. Added to that he was incredibly vain. Brilliant and he knew it. He had to be stopped.
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stopped at what? you people only consider one action of him as evil which may or may not have had negative effects and still it was nothing compared to some crimes which doctors before and after him did and you gloss over them
There are a few moments in Eleven that register to me as not necessarily dark, but surprisingly cold, like pulling Amy away from Rory and flying the TARDIS away in Cold Blood or lying to and shutting the door on the old Amy in The Girl Who Waited. I sometimes got the sense that he was so sick of losing friends after Ten that he would twist the heavens to protect Amy specifically, and if he had to choose between saving Amy and saving another person the other person would suddenly mean nothing to him. But in stories like Girl Who Waited and God Complex, he starts to realize that it won't change the ending to the story and decides to give Amy and Rory their lives back.
Thank you, no one mentions this episode, it’s by far the doctors darkest scene
"Dalek" is one of my favorite episodes because Eccleston does a great job of showing the pain and rage the doctor carries after ending the time war.
9 was pretty much an Anti-Hero
10 was a hero changing into a villain
11 was a hero who was working through his bad side.
13 is as threatening as a cocker spaniel
The hungry earth episode, when Ambrose collects weapons and the 11th doctor calmly tells her to put them away. No speech, no raised voice, just a single icy command.
It's amazing just how well Smith portrays his emotion through facial expression alone. We don't see the doctor being nice, we see him threatening. It isn't a charming smile on his face, it's a vicious smirk, full of malice and cruel fury, telling her "you've been severely warned and I won't tell you again" and quite frankly his face at that point terrifies me, because you know full well what he's capable of if she disobeys him and he's incredibly aware of it himself.
That moment is 11 thinking "oh just try it lady, see what happens if you cross me".
"THREE KNOCKS IS ALL YOU'RE GETTING!" has been one of my favorite moments in Doctor Who since I was twelve/thirteen years old(my b-day passed halfway through the "Who-athon") when me and my family watched all of new who start to finish in preparation for "The Day of the Doctor" on the 50th anniversary.
There will likely never be another doctor that captures the same energy as Ten.
I think that with a future Doctor, David Tennant should be the Master. John Simm's Master remembering the 10th Doctor and making it his next face.
These are the moments when he was closets to the Master than ever before. Especially the 11th's and the 10th's after Dona left.
Definitely
What about the time he said "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many."
Basically he's saying "i'm a very bad man, but i try very hard not to be. Don't give me a reason to stop trying"
It's funny how the doctor has a no-killing rule but has killed on several occasions
“Demons run, when a good man goes to war.”
David tennant actually shows some dark moments, not going to lie.
When 10 started slipping in to his "time lord victorious" mind set it was pretty dark to see the man who had been so against abusing his power to give in to that temptation
That last one still gives me chills
"You would make a good Dalek"
I love when the Doctor gets dark
Nine and Ten had the dark spark, Eleven tried, Twelve didnt get proper chance, Thirteen failed. Waiting for Fourteen.
No, wait. Twelve had the spark too.
Twelve (Capaldi?) _was_ the spark personified
Jay Fairless totally agree he was one of the most warrior doctor
I think fear the raven and zygon inversion show 12s darker side
Tevogaming face the raven
Yeah, you could really see the darkness in his eyes in all of these moments
I love The Waters Of Mars. I think it's underrated
Ceinwen Cooke hauntingly foot why David will forever be my favourite countless great doctor moments
It's the only good David Tennant episode tbh
@@reddedtasmin5465 you're so wrong. he was great in all of his episodes, even those which he had the least presence and screen time
I always thought the Tenth Doctor's darkest moment was in the Xmas special/finale episode; "The End of Time" when the Master brings back the Time Lords, Gallifrey and the WHOLE event of the Time War, when he describes to the Master when the war 'turned into hell' and how we finally learn and see the Doctor look so broke and so low, filled with so much guilt and remorse of having to sacrifice his own people when Time Lords like Rassilon turned corrupt and unreasonable of willing to end the war at whatever the cost.
I can tell someone either didn’t watch or didn’t like Peter Capaldi. That man had some dark moments lol
Captain What the description says it’s seasons 1-7, so maybe there’s another vid with the rest? Idk
This is what English teachers should be giving us to dissect in class
I'm always being so aware to this 'Doctor', he's not always some man of generosity but something dark blinded him completely. Maybe he deserves to live in shame because of a horrific man he would soon become that would lead him to suffer by anger and hate.
It’s moments like these that show the doctor had different phases of damage from the time war such as but not limited to: desperation to save as many as possible, death seeking to escape, guilt, acting like judge jury and executioner, loneliness from realization as the last, and the mode unsettling the moments he plays god and proves why he has the right and power to do so,
9 was the Survivor of the Time War, the Dark Lord trying to be good. He could lose his cool any time.
10 was the Man who regretted his choice in the Time War, and slowly declared war on Time itself... he went slowly over the edge of sanity
11 was the man whi tried to forget, The Madman in the Blue Box. He was the child who would turn into The Most Feared Being in All the Cosmos if you made him really angry
12 was the Kind Man, the Idiot who tried to help. He could turn into The Vengeful God, the Valeyard rose when Clara died
6:23 Nine's face in this scene was heartwrenching...
More like “The Doctor Being Dark For 10 Seasons”
um you forgot 7th, and HE was pre time war, you want REAL darkness, go check him out!!
But it says 1-7 in the description, so not ten...
I'd love to see a version of 10 going over the edge and being a villain
even though I would love to explore this concept, it would absolutely brake my little heart seeing the Doctor being evil and not himself.
@@katarinabrunk8698 Just remember, the doctor eventually becomes the Valeyard.
@@highjim7778 oh believe me I know lol, I've been speculating on how it's going to happen for a while now
there is a series of comics, webcasts, escape games, short stories, and novels that are all part of that
hope not
i think you forgot the zigon invasion with kate and boni about to kill eachother with the two boxes and him getting really dark over how many bad things hes done
Favourite dark moment is McCoy, in Renembrance of the Daleks. After he has just killed Davros, so atmospherically that he should have stayed dead that time, he gives a Dalek much the same treatment as Eccles here, but an active Dakek in mid-orders, + kills it by confusing it.
I was upset when 10 started turning into someone resembling the Master, but then I realized he was so far gone that he didn't do the next best thing, which was to save them and bring them to some point in the future so that history would continue on as ordered as though the crew on the base had disappeared.
In old who, there was an evil version of the doctor called the Valeyard, which is/was said to be one of his possible final incarnations.
Which is why 10 had moments of ruthlessness It was hinting at the possibility of him being/becoming that incarnation.
The doctor beeing dark is the show at its best imo, I wish they would explore that more, especialy with Peter Capaldi
because Tennant and Smith were so humorous all the time it hit so hard when they were serious
7:25 i think is one of the best
The mat Smith speech to the parasite planet has to be one my most fave scenes ever
Makes one wonder what a compilation of their own most darkest moments would entail of, eh?
When you remember that the doctor sentenced and personally carried out the sentence of *eternal torment* on the family of blood
This is what I loved about Sylvester McCoy and the Series 8 version of Capaldi, really - they took this darker side of the Doctor and ran with it.
aka: the doctors acting out of their minds for 10 minutes straight
Delek just wanting to help
11th doctor:No
The best dalek episodes are when the doctor shows the mpst hate for them. It always comes down to him saying they have no purpose in life and then he finds out there's more.
Demons run when good man goes to war
How has no one mentioned 11 in the girl who waited. When he slams the door in old Amy’s face, tells Rory to decide who to save, moving his hand to the handle, then just leaves. He doesn’t even stay around to explain to young Amy when she wakes up, he just leaves with a horrifyingly sinister look on his face when he hears her ask about her older self. He lied to old Amy and Rory the whole time. He was cruel in that episode and no ones mentioning it. Definitely one of the darkest doctor moments, if not the darkest. His actions are way worse than the water of Mars, even if his words aren’t
I’m the winner of the time war always gets me
Eccelston’s doctor perfectly displays a veteran with ptsd. His emotions vary quickly and he panics and worries more. When he’s reminded of the time war he quickly breaks down. He’s an old soldier trying to keep his courage and ended with it.
The 10th fucks me up cause most of the doctors got almost or over a hundred years, and 10 only got 6. His frustrations are all valid because, despite using up an extra regeneration just to stay a bit longer, he lived almost no time compared to the rest of them.
It took one woman's sacrifice to bring the 10th doctor down from this godlike opinion of his, and do so with the blunt force of a meteor crashing into the earth. Confidence and ego maniacal one minute, then humbled and ashamed the next.
the best thing about David Tennants doctor is that he perfectly captured the anger and sadness of the doctor
2:23 anyone else hear the click sound???
I mean I know that it’s not related to vid but it’s freaky
The more I watch of Matt Smith as the Doctor, the more I can't distinguish between Daemon Targaryen and the Doctor, they just seem so similar in his portrayal beyond them both being acted by him
A great example is when he's shouting at Colonel Run Away and the eyepatch woman says that good men have too many rules. The way he turns and glares at her slowly like some kind of reptilian predator just makes me think of the subtle ways you can see the true evil on Daemon's face in some scenes. The scene where Daemon and Rhaenyra are facing off on Dragonstone and he contemplates killing her, the scene where Daemon chokes Rhaenyra in the end of Season 1, the look Daemon gives Rhea Royce right before he kills her. Matt Smith has absolutely nailed the "murderous intent" look and Doctor Who seems to have the best examples
9,10,11,12:incredible depth
13: am I like 10 yet?
Doop Boop nope
The whole arc of the Doctor going crazy also helps to understand the Master. Immortality is insanity delayed, but it catches up to you.
My fav dark moment is the one with mars
What doctor says: Dalek
What subtitle says: Darling
Makes sense
Tbh the "Satan speech" is the (one and only) moment the Doctor is left speechless and proves how... human he is.
"Is that your religion?"
My two favourite dark moments of Dr Who, both from Remembrance of the Daleks. 7ths speech before obliterating Skaro + Davros. Then the scene where Ace + the Dr are sat on the stairs + he talks about the hand of Omega, "And didn't we have trouble with the first one...."
Such a small throwaway line that hinted at do much in the Drs past.
Okay. I wouldn't call myself the biggest DW fan, so I haven't kept up with it outside of casual interest, but can someone explain that face thing to me at 3:45 ? That seems like it's either a trip and a half, or wildly complicated.
Ramona Ray it’s the last natural human, cassandra.
Basically she was the last "pure" human not inter bred and she was kept alive by making her like that
She's had so much plastic surgery that that's all that's left. Problem is that a sheet of skin's going to dry out; and she required frequent moisturisation.
Unfortunately, with her plan foiled, she got teleported back onto the ship by The Doctor to answer for her mischief, which included her leaving the ship to heat up in the moments before the expansion of the Sun. He stood there and watched as she dried out and tightened until she tore herself apart under her own tension. A worthy candidate for the list.
imagine being a Dalek and your commander tells you to go undercover and ask the Doctor if he wants tea.
Just shows how important the companions to a mad man are.
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Dalek: I WAS BREAD.
“I’m so old, now. I used to have so much mercy. You get one warning. *That was it.”*
- School Reunion
when 10th doctor gets angry he slowly turns into Barty Crouch jr
"What's the point of you" shit hits hard when I ask myself same exact question at 2am
I watched 11th one first and for me he has just so many great moments and even more smaller hreater moments. Amazing job by 11th actor, I'm going to watch 10th and maybe I will love jkm more but damn I just love the character and perosnality of 11th.
Again, he needs his companions to keep him sane, to keep him slipping but at the same time losing them pushes him ever closer to being the furious burning man..until the next one comes and fixes it again.