So if they took the other 3, they'd have had international patent expertise, an introduction to a power-tool manufacturer with billions in sales & a top tech team in China. I have to say I think, much as I respect Deborah's retail experience, they definitely made the wrong choice.
I don’t think they could have gone wrong either way. Deborah’s bread and butter is the construction industry. Whilst the other 3 dragons offered a lot, having 3 might be a case of to many cooks spoil the broth type thing
Would be funny if they were like, "I have so many contacts in this industry, I have all the experience you need to take this to market, I invest in many similar businesses, I'm the perfect dragon for you, but I'm not going to invest, I'm out!"
"Peter Jones is given golden opportunity to avoid investment in company without patent, whilst also looking like he is capable of empathy for the cameras."
I'm usually the boss in this relationship....' But when it comes to potential mistakes he can make the decision so I can then blame him at a later date......
Deborahs not a mistake, cause Sarah indirectly confirmed the patent won't be an issue. Also having one dragon with 25% is better than 3 at ten cause Deborah highlighted everything the other 3 said, so it reduces conflict and her having 25% a meaty chunk ensures that she will be an active investor. The other 3's plan was Tej just introduces, sarah just ensures the patent and touker just manages the team in china , But Deborah already had a supplier in mind and can get expert help for a patent, also finding a manufacturer in china isn't really hard especially with a patent.
"I like you and want the best for you so I shouldn't invest" - Peter basically admitting that he happily rips everyone else off when he makes an offer.
I would disagree. Imagine having to deal with and co-ordinate with 3 investors separately. While each of those 3 dragons had value they could add, having all 3 with their hands in the pot could get problematic. And Like ScopeY said, they might not have been keen on licensing it, and even if they were, it wouldn't be impossible to do without Tej.
Deborah didn't invest in the end according to their facebook page. I'd say the scamdemic lockdowns haven't helped, the stapler gun is still in production.
Chinese buyer : We have 17 million houses to build... we would like to order one gun and one pack of staples please Telesales: Won't you need more than one? Chinese Buyer : Don't you worry about that...
Thats IT! I spent 4 years in that crazy country and thats what they are doing. Trump cut them down a little bit on those practices and see how they repaid all of us for that in early 2020…
prove how powerful dragon deborah meaden is.. even all of the dragons combine still cant beat her! n they did a correct decision n their products is now in a multi-million dollar construction company ⚡
I was looking for this comment lol. A dragon doesn't know the rules of the den? You HAVE to share when u offer less than 100% of the monney, why put it at the end -_-
Each of 4 Dragons was willing to invest and bringing something different and valuable to the business and I was surprised they did not explore a 4 way deal. Wish them luck.
@@chrismulgrew7710 why does no one get the concept of this show and investment in general? no one gives a hit damn about you or your product in the investment world there there to make money so there going to do whatever they can to make as much money as they can you are not there to make freinds and win fans your there to get investment you need money they have money both parties will act in there own best interests
@@farzana6676 maybe. But they had a clear idea of what they could do plus one of them would introduce to a big supplier. Two heads are better than one, in this case three.
@@kelvinmathew8993 I see your point pal. I'd only take 3 on the condition that Tej would give his shares back if his supplier doesn't want it, if he said no then Deborah is my pick.
I don't know, another commentor on another thread explained that the 3 dragons thing hinged on Tej's part of *LICENSING* it to a construction/manufacturer megacorp(so the couple's firm will only largely likely be R&D and receiving royalty of some sorts) for a few years then exit out when another company buys them out. I'm guessing the husband wants to actually make and sell his product together with his wife.
They made the right decision, one dragon is better then 3 imagine the boardroom meeting with them all nit picking about which direction the product should go. Could feel the headache coming already just by this clip
*spoiler* Probably the correct deal - makes sense to go with one Dragon who has more of a vested interest in the business. Three is a bit complicated, and will inevitably dilute interest although what they could all bring to the table did make sense to a certain extent.
As another electrician, When they mentioned about the regulations about supporting cables for fire. Doesn’t it have to be a metal fixing or metal cable tie above walkways for this regulation? No point using a plastic staple that will melt
4 ปีที่แล้ว +2
Great work Julie and Davie. And congratulations to Debbie who won the pair to er side!!
man i felt very excited even though it wasn't me pitching the product, man what a feeling deborah have felt, this is gonna make a killing amount of money, i can feel it.
Deborah looked seriously offended when Tej didn't include her in the three-way deal. I bet she was dying to give him the finger when the couple chose her.
I mean, Debrah is THE dragon in construction; which is presumably where this tool will be used mostly. And while yes, 3 dragons can add a lot of value, Debrah can kinda do it all on her own. I think Debrah was actually a smart choice here, and with 1 dragon having a bigger % stake, they are more likely to put in more work too.
They made the right choice. Better to have the focus of one person - especially one that specialises in this field - and it's for less equity. Just her connections with Home depot will make it worth it
You were one of those kids who automatically assumed more is better weren't you? Ya, he chose ONE person to deal with rather than 3 to co-ordinate between and deal with separately. Sometimes more is just more hassle.
I've done this sort of work only once in my life, but I kept pondering of how to make it easier. If I ever think I'll need to do that again, I will buy this product. Amazing! Those hours could have been minutes. Hell, they wouldn't even have given me the assignment.
I still believe she should have negotiated with 8 pc each and 3 dragons on board. Her concern regarding the patent would also have been solved. It's always better to have more than one dragons on board
@@Clickshanks understand that there is no patent but I don't think it will be a huge success as they think it will, The prototype looks and sounds like a toy . Like most tradies sparkies give their tools a thrashing. The size of this product is a benefit but they need it to be robust. Just looked at their website they are still yet to manufacture any.
@@garyhutton2654 a blast from the past, reply to a comment from 4 years ago... They rejected the Dragons offer after the show and opted for other local Angel investors.
I LOVE SARA I remember watching her so much on TV Create & Craft she is always so Pashanite gives her whole self in what ever she dos. I can remember her designing & creating a craft station that had basically all you needed to make cards in this 1 product it cut , folded embossed differed patterned it made boxes, envelopes, different style cards the list is endless all you needed extra was glue, tape. I still have this item nearly 15 years later it's been used well & still going strong. She is so lovely even though she proberly quite a rich woman she has never forgot her roots never changed
Having three dragons might have turned into too many cooks in the kitchen. They made the right choice by picking the one person that could do all three things that they needed and it just makes the working relationship easier too.
Why would they pick Debrah over the other 3 sharks?? Just doesn't make sense, the other 3 provide way more expertise than just 1 shark and they would only be giving up 5 more percent for it. Completely baffled
Maybe they want to keep it simple with 1 dragon. I would say Deborah has equal expertise in Patent and IPs when compared to Sarah, and she is also very well known in the construction sector so that explains why they went with Deborah over Tej (Although Tej did say he has a major contact, but I can't see why Deborah can't get that as well). Overall, Deborah does bring a lot to the table. The couple can focus on manufacturing and tooling, and save the 5%. I don't think it was a bad choice...
I think Deborah can easily do the same thing the other 3 sharks offer. Patent, check. Manufacturing, check. Outlets, check. Especially considering Sarah is useless after they get the patent, I would totally pick Deborah.
So if they took the other 3, they'd have had international patent expertise, an introduction to a power-tool manufacturer with billions in sales & a top tech team in China. I have to say I think, much as I respect Deborah's retail experience, they definitely made the wrong choice.
Ok. Also royals best
Deborah took a lot of construction deals and I think in a few episodes she claimed to have be an expect in that stuff. So I don't know.
Deborah is a heavy construction/DIY investor.
Idk, the other three seemed to not really collaborate well together on this product
I don’t think they could have gone wrong either way. Deborah’s bread and butter is the construction industry. Whilst the other 3 dragons offered a lot, having 3 might be a case of to many cooks spoil the broth type thing
I didn’t realize how good this show was until I tried watching the Irish version..
Jesus christ, please don't mention that abominable show.
Watch the brazilian one, they even have a live audience
The Irish version isn't awful. The dragons just don't have the personality the UK dragons have.
As a part Irishman Id like to point out that this principle works with most things 🤣
🤣 yep!
When the dragons start going through their own resume, you know they're about to make an offer 😁
Would be funny if they were like, "I have so many contacts in this industry, I have all the experience you need to take this to market, I invest in many similar businesses, I'm the perfect dragon for you, but I'm not going to invest, I'm out!"
JMT Earthworks something Jenny would do 😂
@@JMTEarthworks I think Jenny has done that before lol
Couple: "we've sold the house"
Peter Jones: "I love it"
XD
😂
I don't know why I find this comment as one of the best Dragon's Den comments with no mention of Jenny?
I just do! 😂😂😂
Anyone pitching: I quit my job
Peter Jones: I'm in
Well he doesn't like it when people don't seem to be all-in on their business. Selling your house shows you're committed and believe in the product
If Sarah replaces Jenny, I got no issues with that!
At least she's not always out
It must had been a very easy decision for the production team.
what do you mean if? she is sat right infront of you?
Jenny would tell you that she was already out, Karthik.
Jenny left the show a year ago. Sara HAS replaced her from this series. Sunday's episode was her 10th episode.
These are the kinda episodes that makes deborah looks like an absolute beast.
Straight up me chavvy
no
A beast with a bubbly disposition
@@Pcash246 SUCK ON THEM
Entrepreneur just wanted to give less equity, poor decision imo
"Peter Jones is given golden opportunity to avoid investment in company without patent, whilst also looking like he is capable of empathy for the cameras."
Lol
He's one v sexy man!
G.F. hi. In response to your comment.
There really / rarely is any sentiment in business.
Keep well in these times.
My thoughts exactly.
I'm usually the boss in this relationship....' But when it comes to potential mistakes he can make the decision so I can then blame him at a later date......
👍
Deborahs not a mistake, cause Sarah indirectly confirmed the patent won't be an issue. Also having one dragon with 25% is better than 3 at ten cause Deborah highlighted everything the other 3 said, so it reduces conflict and her having 25% a meaty chunk ensures that she will be an active investor. The other 3's plan was Tej just introduces, sarah just ensures the patent and touker just manages the team in china , But Deborah already had a supplier in mind and can get expert help for a patent, also finding a manufacturer in china isn't really hard especially with a patent.
yo Sabih , wanna partner up or something,,, BRUH
That's a good one 👍👍👍👍
Prefect Roy
It's ironic that most of the world has been forced to stay in, but Jenny's gone out
I see what you did there.
Wow lol
This made me laugh way too hard. XD
So proud of Peter on this one...he showed real integrity and compassion. I love him.
Peter looks like he's been sleeping in his car again.
🤣
Yes and how he loves to comment on the way others' in the den look :)
jrbs 🤣🤣🤣
It’s a nice car as I see him driving every week
😂
I didn't see that coming. I'd have picked Taj & Co everytime :)
@@SCARRIOR Well that was unnecessarily racist
@@SCARRIOR A successful scammer tho 😝
Typical USA responds.
@@SCARRIOR he worth nearly 400m
@@SCARRIOR lol stop being salty that he's an Indian that's worth 400mil and you're worth no where near 400mil
Very lovely sweet couple! Hope they get a huge success with the company!
Touker: I dont get out of bed during lockdown.
Don't you know? He's locked down in those offices he has available in London.
One of the best pitches ever.
Deborah is that kid at the school who was always anxious about getting the exam grades back! Look at her expression - genuine and pure joy!
The one that says they’re gonna fail but always gets straight As
And she gets so competitive, especially when someone is pitching a lame board game. It’s weirdly endearing.
11:25 she felt left out, that's for sure
Debras' ego is so fragile ...
Good I hate her
ok was surprised to see u here lol.. more build guides please lol
They seem like such a lovely couple, I really hope they get 10x as much back as they put in, they really deserve it ❤️ good luck to them!
"I like you and want the best for you so I shouldn't invest" - Peter basically admitting that he happily rips everyone else off when he makes an offer.
He makes investments to further HIS gain. That is a reason he is a dragon.
@@demonster6965 like everyone else? Who does that for free?
No, he was saying there were dragons more suited for that kind of business.
@@blaineroberts9605 Exactly. Cannot believe people having so much trouble understanding an obvious point.
Sara Davies is a refreshing addition to the regular stuck up Dragons.
Peter went out because he can't include the couples house in the deal.
I think that is a rather snide remark, very unworthy.
😂😂😂😂 frfr
😂😂😂
@@DevonDandy Eh, people will like any residue they can scrape of the bottom of a barrel these days online
I'm sure they will have a staple future with Deborah 😄
Ffs 😂😂👌
hahaha nice one
All guns blazing?
Nailed it... or not 🤣
Har. Haha.
Great product but I think they made a wrong decision !
Tej wants to license, I assume they weren't keen on that, and having 3 dragons is not necessarily better. Plus theyre in great hands with deborah
I would disagree. Imagine having to deal with and co-ordinate with 3 investors separately. While each of those 3 dragons had value they could add, having all 3 with their hands in the pot could get problematic. And Like ScopeY said, they might not have been keen on licensing it, and even if they were, it wouldn't be impossible to do without Tej.
They made the right choice to go with one. the three would be fighting for dominance and make it a shit fest. Management wise it's a perfect decision
Deborah didn't invest in the end according to their facebook page. I'd say the scamdemic lockdowns haven't helped, the stapler gun is still in production.
Chinese buyer : We have 17 million houses to build... we would like to order one gun and one pack of staples please
Telesales: Won't you need more than one?
Chinese Buyer : Don't you worry about that...
Thats IT! I spent 4 years in that crazy country and thats what they are doing. Trump cut them down a little bit on those practices and see how they repaid all of us for that in early 2020…
Hahahahaha
@Tomas Alvaro why? Don't you trust her?
A whole packet of staples? I don’t think they’d order that many!
Really hope this couple does well, they seem like good people.
"I'll offer you half the money for 15% and I'm willing to share it."
Well yeah, cause you have to.
Hahaha I thought that also
Yeah. That confused me
prove how powerful dragon deborah meaden is.. even all of the dragons combine still cant beat her! n they did a correct decision n their products is now in a multi-million dollar construction company ⚡
Some people are immensely likeable, these two are such.
I involuntarily spat out some of my bagel when Peter mentioned having a feeling in his heart. 🤣
Offers half the money "And I will also be willing to share that offer."
Me: Huh?
are you dumb?
@@victor-arnovisagie9356 are you dumb? half the money means she has to share.
I was looking for this comment lol. A dragon doesn't know the rules of the den? You HAVE to share when u offer less than 100% of the monney, why put it at the end -_-
Yes I thought the same ha
What a donkey
I can't exactly say what it is, but this show is amazing. Absolutely hooked.
Am genuinely SO VERY pleased and happy for them, good luck wholeheartedly!
The real MVP of this show is the narrator with those kick ass puns.
And that barbie girl reference....
"Peter Jones isn't necessarily convinced that plastic is fantastic"
I always get excited when Deborah gets the deal. She's my favorite.
yessssssss 💯💯💯
You mean the worst
Great product, I really hope it works out for them!!! ❤️
'I will offer half the money... And I would be willing to share'
So glad that she clarified
Was looking for this comment 😂
I hope everything works out for them I love seeing passionate people like that
Touker: team and offices in China.....
Corona virus: I’m in!
hehehehehe best comment of the day😂
Peter Jones shows his heart?
Crikey, its got me wondering what else exists that I never believed in ......
😳😁
There is no heart. Dont be deceived. Peter is a very slick operator.
Lol need to revisit whether Father Christmas is real after all
The 3 dragon’s really wanted it. They were perfect blend of experience. Plus Sara’s heart. Debra didn’t even look that interested. Wrong decision
Great job Peter!!! we should always listen to our hearts and our intuitions! they are there for a reason!
and our instincts!!!
Never knew Deborah's heart was in her stomach
What an excellent pitch and i just love the Northern Irish accent.
There's a lot of them....and some aren't as easy on the ear,hi 😉
Jenny would make a great umpire, as she's always saying 'out'
Each of 4 Dragons was willing to invest and bringing something different and valuable to the business and I was surprised they did not explore a 4 way deal. Wish them luck.
Should be called Vulture's den.
They do take the piss sometimes, greed.
@@chrismulgrew7710 why does no one get the concept of this show and investment in general?
no one gives a hit damn about you or your product in the investment world there there to make money so there going to do whatever they can to make as much money as they can
you are not there to make freinds and win fans your there to get investment you need money they have money
both parties will act in there own best interests
Horrible people the dragons
@@geoffbridge6204 and that's why they're rich.
The powerhouse of what the 3 dragons offered was incredible. I can't believe they turned it down. Debs is good but nah
I was thinking the same at first but not so sure. She's already in the tools industry and got the patent connect as well
DOES NOT REQUIRE DRAMATIC MUSIC
Aww that hug and kiss in the end 😊
A brilliant product that is useful for professionals. I hope they do well out of this. It certainly beats inventing bigger holes in coffee cup lids.
I've got offices in London in lockdown you can't go there
for just 5% more they could've gotten more money plus three dragons. bad choice.
Sometimes more dragons doesn't necessarily mean better though.
Too many Chiefs. And too few Indians.
@@farzana6676 maybe. But they had a clear idea of what they could do plus one of them would introduce to a big supplier. Two heads are better than one, in this case three.
@@kelvinmathew8993 I see your point pal. I'd only take 3 on the condition that Tej would give his shares back if his supplier doesn't want it, if he said no then Deborah is my pick.
I don't know, another commentor on another thread explained that the 3 dragons thing hinged on Tej's part of *LICENSING* it to a construction/manufacturer megacorp(so the couple's firm will only largely likely be R&D and receiving royalty of some sorts) for a few years then exit out when another company buys them out. I'm guessing the husband wants to actually make and sell his product together with his wife.
Deborah has had lots of success with similar products.
Why? Just why? 3 Dragons! That´s almost instant success for 5%!
They wanted 10% each... 30% Total!
@@earlofcumbrae-Ground_Zero which means to save 5% they went with Deborah.
Peters just so decent what a tremendous selfless act that is he has done here x
Debra and Peter are the main dragons i dont know why the others bother they even work together.
They made the right decision, one dragon is better then 3 imagine the boardroom meeting with them all nit picking about which direction the product should go. Could feel the headache coming already just by this clip
*spoiler*
Probably the correct deal - makes sense to go with one Dragon who has more of a vested interest in the business. Three is a bit complicated, and will inevitably dilute interest although what they could all bring to the table did make sense to a certain extent.
The music in the background was like a dramatic slow mo in a superhero movie
Hope everyone is feeling well!!
The most human thing to watch.
What a disappointment that trinity would’ve been wonderful and such a good offer
as an electrical engineer.
YES
You aren’t that good at your job if you find this gun necessary
As another electrician, When they mentioned about the regulations about supporting cables for fire. Doesn’t it have to be a metal fixing or metal cable tie above walkways for this regulation? No point using a plastic staple that will melt
Great work Julie and Davie. And congratulations to Debbie who won the pair to er side!!
I always liked Tej. He was very humble and always spoke to people with respect
man i felt very excited even though it wasn't me pitching the product, man what a feeling deborah have felt, this is gonna make a killing amount of money, i can feel it.
Hmm. No Jenny today. She must be out!
The staff asked her to invest $10 in 🍩 donuts for the crew that morning and she said no she's out.
She's not in this series you idiot.
@@BenjaminGoose way to state the obvious, clearly you weren't Born with a sense of humor.
Self isolating. Shes in.
"Hi we're here pitching a power tool"
Deborah: "All of the money, for 25%"
"Deal."
Is that a joke?
i was on the edge of my seat at the end
Deborah looked seriously offended when Tej didn't include her in the three-way deal. I bet she was dying to give him the finger when the couple chose her.
I’m absolutely gobsmacked they didn’t take the 3 dragons offers, wow, absolutely mind blown
He chose one dragon instead of three?? I can see why it took him 25 years to get it this far....
I mean, Debrah is THE dragon in construction; which is presumably where this tool will be used mostly. And while yes, 3 dragons can add a lot of value, Debrah can kinda do it all on her own. I think Debrah was actually a smart choice here, and with 1 dragon having a bigger % stake, they are more likely to put in more work too.
They made the right choice. Better to have the focus of one person - especially one that specialises in this field - and it's for less equity. Just her connections with Home depot will make it worth it
You were one of those kids who automatically assumed more is better weren't you?
Ya, he chose ONE person to deal with rather than 3 to co-ordinate between and deal with separately. Sometimes more is just more hassle.
I've done this sort of work only once in my life, but I kept pondering of how to make it easier. If I ever think I'll need to do that again, I will buy this product. Amazing!
Those hours could have been minutes. Hell, they wouldn't even have given me the assignment.
Great stuff I am really pleased for this lovely couple, who have risked so much.
I still believe she should have negotiated with 8 pc each and 3 dragons on board. Her concern regarding the patent would also have been solved. It's always better to have more than one dragons on board
7:39 look at the disgust on Tej's face when Debra talks
Not sure how old this episode is but Milwaulkee, Dewalt and others now have battery cable staplers ..
No patent
@@Clickshanks understand that there is no patent but I don't think it will be a huge success as they think it will, The prototype looks and sounds like a toy . Like most tradies sparkies give their tools a thrashing. The size of this product is a benefit but they need it to be robust. Just looked at their website they are still yet to manufacture any.
and the DRagons den deal didnt go ahead
Yeah it did
@@garyhutton2654 a blast from the past, reply to a comment from 4 years ago... They rejected the Dragons offer after the show and opted for other local Angel investors.
Fair play by Peter Jones. They both seemed really nice 👍 glad they got a deal with Deborah😊
I LOVE SARA I remember watching her so much on TV Create & Craft she is always so Pashanite gives her whole self in what ever she dos. I can remember her designing & creating a craft station that had basically all you needed to make cards in this 1 product it cut , folded embossed differed patterned it made boxes, envelopes, different style cards the list is endless all you needed extra was glue, tape. I still have this item nearly 15 years later it's been used well & still going strong. She is so lovely even though she proberly quite a rich woman she has never forgot her roots never changed
Deborah I love watching you
You are a terrific business woman. Beautiful, elegant and charming. I love your outfits !
I wish my marriage was like that. And I'm so pleased they picked Deborah.
In the usa we use plastic staples as you call them also . We have 110 v 220 v and 480 v depending on application
Having three dragons might have turned into too many cooks in the kitchen. They made the right choice by picking the one person that could do all three things that they needed and it just makes the working relationship easier too.
We use 240 residentially here in Canada. 110 wall outlets. 240 stoves, cloths dryers, air conditioners ect...
So does the USA.
The ladies were more interested in playing with the power than the men were. That's a first.
it says you need to insulate and support the cable in case of a fire yes with metal clips across ceilings not plastic
Can’t believe they didn’t choose 3 dragons
These comments are better than the clip. Honestly! Love it
You know the pitch was great when dragons dish out their credentials before making their offer 😀
Jenny was asked to invest in the new Micky Flanagan tour.
She decided she couldn’t invest and was out out.
What an amazing idea & a great couple - well done Deborah 👌🏻
Deborah is a Queen
I'd have went with the trio
Lmao. That was good one. Only in UK.
Every house in the USA has 240 V coming into it, and we use metal staples on 240 V wire all the time
Why would they pick Debrah over the other 3 sharks?? Just doesn't make sense, the other 3 provide way more expertise than just 1 shark and they would only be giving up 5 more percent for it. Completely baffled
Maybe they want to keep it simple with 1 dragon. I would say Deborah has equal expertise in Patent and IPs when compared to Sarah, and she is also very well known in the construction sector so that explains why they went with Deborah over Tej (Although Tej did say he has a major contact, but I can't see why Deborah can't get that as well). Overall, Deborah does bring a lot to the table. The couple can focus on manufacturing and tooling, and save the 5%. I don't think it was a bad choice...
Yes should have gone with the 3 Dragons
I think Deborah can easily do the same thing the other 3 sharks offer. Patent, check. Manufacturing, check. Outlets, check. Especially considering Sarah is useless after they get the patent, I would totally pick Deborah.
What a twist. I thought the three-way offer was the blatant clear winner for their product overall.
Jenny, banging on the door: I’m out, I’m out ... for the love of god, I’m ouuuuut!
Me: *my cables are loose*
Kardoctor: *staple them to the wall*
My goodness! How did they not take that amazing offer from the three perfect dragons just to save 5%?
I don't see them ever getting into Holland & Barrett or Waitrose frankly.