Well it's a piece of technology you'll be spending time with and if something's not right or you wanna upgrade you're gonna have to waste money giving it to a repair shop instead of learning to do things on your own
@@papastalin3498 you are right. But there are a lot of people who would rather pay someone that understand tech then going through the whole process of trail and error. Some times you will spend more making mistakes than if you just paid someone to do it for you.
@@JustinLapington I work in a service industry and have to explain this to my customers all the time. Most don’t realize or appreciate the time and effort you put into to your craft. I may charge you 100 bucks for something that took me 15 min. The only reason it took me 15 min is cuz I’ve been perfecting my craft for 10 years
My first was a prebuilt, never regretted it. Got it during Covid when GPU prices were insane, so it ended up being cheaper than the same parts individually bizarrely enough. Since then I’ve slowly upgraded just about every component.great way to learn pc building and it’s also what pushed me into IT as a career and got me a job. Net positive for the prebuilts.
Same every where I would look for details it was always someone telling me to create one myself, annoyed the fuck outta me. I ended up getting an NZXT pre built with good parts that are predicted to last another half a decade with the warranty I have. The specs aren’t aging badly still after many years with it. Also I got it for cheap since it was after the release of a new gpu, so I got a great deal around the price of building one myself after doing math comparison
Hey quick question, is it true that its hard to get a job in the comp sci field? Im in college and took a pre-nursing track but its not my passion and ive always loved computers so i wanna know before i switch classes.
@@GeorgeWockington01 it isn’t impossible. I did spend several months on the job hunt and I got a part time job while I was searching in the meantime. It is really just luck sometimes, but there’s stuff you can do to help yourself. Having a degree in the field obviously is quite beneficial, but I have a degree with a major completely unrelated to IT. What I think is truly important is showing a prospective employer that you have a desire and a passion for it. What I did was get several IT certifications and put them on my resume. There’s the CompTIA ones, Microsoft has a bunch as well. They basically show proficiency in a specific area of IT. Having a degree at all puts you in a good spot, and having supplemental things in your resume that shows employers that you are competent and directed toward the field of your choice. The last bit of advice is that you should be ready for the fact that your first job in a Comp Sci career might not match up to your dream job. I wanted to get into cybersecurity, but my first job in “IT” was as a field technician fixing printers, with a little bit of networking on the side. It paid the bills though, and was something I could put in my resume to make me more attractive to employers later on.
Price to performance is the issue. That's how I started building my own pcs. Didn't want to pay $2k for a pc with $1k worth of parts. Keep in mind this was about 7 years ago when I started.
Show me a single prebuild with a 100% markup. The markup is like 10% in reputable companies, you get a warranty and a PC with optimal parts. The only reason people like you trash prebuilds is because they want to feel superior.
Same. My first rig waa a r5 3600 with a 1660 super. I think i spent about 850 to 900 pn the build. Saw a similar build online for prebuilt for about 1100-1200 at the time
@@MuppetsSh0w Nope, they definitely exist. Maybe not exactly or over 100%, but 80% is easy to find. But you're right that they absolutely have competitors with fair markups.
One thing too is there are places where you can buy custom built PCs, so that you can get the benefit of not having to build while simultaneously getting while getting the specific stuff you want. It’s how I got my original PC back about a decade ago, at a local business PC place. They even would order what you are looking for if they didn’t have it in stock. Honestly a great place. Since then I have practically replaced almost every part during a mass PC upgrade and did it all myself this time. I just hope that in the future they don’t go poof ever, as it’s my worry when there is big box stores and their “geek squad” that doesn’t know anything of what they are doing comparatively.
My first gaming PC was prebuilt. And it was pretty good. AND it helped me learn how to work with parts as I upgraded components through its life. It got me ready and confident enough TO take that step where when it was time for the full monte upgrade to a completely new build, I COULD do it myself.
I don't know about the US, but in my place u can just choose ur parts seperately from different stores and bring to any pc store ( it can be from neither u have chosen ur parts with) and they will built it for u. And for free lol
I actually agree with the original comment. There's no technical requirement for a CPU or its socket to have fragile exposed pins that can easily be damaged. I'm sure it could be possible to have a CPU that would be as easy and safe to switch out as a GPU is. The most awkward part of changing a CPU should be the thermal paste, not worrying about damaging fragile pins.
Got a prebuilt in 2020 (Alienware aurora r9, 10th gen i9, 2070Super) and it was so nice to just hook it up and play. One really nice thing with bigger brand prebuilts is RMA and tech support. Had a bios update bork my motherboard and they sent someone out to replace it. When my GPU stopped working they sent a replacement as well (it then started working again but that doesn’t matter). With a custom build, you’re stuck handling any RMA with whatever warranty the part manufacturer has, meaning you also have to keep track of information for each part separately. I’m still working on building my own PC for my second rig but these are some things to think about
I got a pre built from micro center miami when they opened and had nice deals. Got a power spec with a 7800x3D and a 4070 super 32g ram and 2T for 1,400 ish, and I love it.
That is a good deal but I built mine around August too and for 1500ish got 64gb and a 4080 super instead, plus a ton of pride and a stronger sense of understanding about PCs than before
Another option for newbies is to ask help if available. When I was a teenager I would pay for a technician to upgrade my CPU until I mustered the courage to do it myself. Also if you know someone that builds PCs there's no shame to ask if they could be around to help you out
I think his complaint isn't that you have to install the CPU. It's that it's way too delicate. Installing the RAM, the GPU, and the drives is not nearly as delicate as the CPU.
If you're buying a pre-built I 100% recommend Corsair. I love mine and mine came with a defective gpu and wrong size ssd but corsair customer support was totally awesome. They don't outsource and they don't waste your time, they know what they're doing. They use off the shelf parts too. I got mine during the gpu shortage and the prices were very reasonable for the computer v
I'm very much into both pc gaming and building. My first computer was a prebuilt and its what ultimately got me started when building my current pc. Ill never bemoan someone for wanting a prebuild but just warn them that there is a premium being paid when you buy one. I always recommend anyone looking for a prebuild to seek help from someone knowledgeable with pc parts so they know exactly what is relative value for whatever they're looking at. I loved my first pc but in hindsight, an i5 11400f, rtx 2060, 8gb DDR4 ram, and 500gb m.2 ssd for $1000 is very poor value even for prebuilds. I'd love to be able to warn new pc buyers of the pitfalls of the prebuild market.
Another advantage of a pre-built is that if anything goes wrong it's on them and not you. I recently bought and built a PC (a cheap Ryzen 5 4600g build) and the computer turned on but didn't display image. I had to take it back to see if any piece of hardware is broken and that'll take up to a month. With a pre-built that wouldn't have happened
Right. I'm getting more into PC building out of necessity tho I'm glad I have. Like most Americans making under 200k a yr I just don't have 5k to drop on a great pre built but over a few months of buying everything required I could build one just as good if not better.
There is 3rd and 4th way 3:buy the parts u want , take it to someone that knows how to build it(as a store) and pay that extra 4:talk and plan with a store about the parts you want , he will builds it than go take it or wait to get to you house(thats what i did) you can say that's a half pre-build
Installing the cpu is the best part. Once you get past the "i feel like im gonna break this super expensive hardware" stage because alot of it does take an alarming amount of pressure to seat properly then it becomes super duper easy and fun
My son wanted a gaming pc. I did the research and he worked his job. He bought the parts and I put them together. It’s a nice looking pc. I wouldn’t care to game on it much as I love my old one players games. He turned it on and was extremely pleased to not have to have done much work.
this is so true. if you want to build pcs, you need to know a LOT more than gamers. things like compatibility and power supplies are some times too much for first time builders.
Most of the time, you only need to pay attention to detail in order to correctly install a CPU. I was building a new system and the CPU had a solid triangle shape to indicate which corner went into the correct orientation. I put it in, put the cover down and pushed the locking lever down and I heard cracking/splintering noises. I pull the CPU out and 4 pins have been crunched. I must not have had it seated properly. Thankfully I had a tiny needlenose plier and bent them back in to shape. I reinserted the CPU and had no problems with it! I ran that computer for 8 years!
My issue with pre-builts is that you still need insight into what components you're buying to ensure upgradeability and future-proofing. For example I see a lot of cheap prebuilts today that use the AM4 platform, bare minimum PSUs, and insufficient cooling. They also often take advantage of the lesser knowledge of the consumer to make them overpay. The best thing to do is to let a knowledgeable acquaintance either build the whole thing or order the parts from a store that offers assembly for a (usually pretty cheap) price. The one I buy from does it for 85 euro flat.
As someone who bought a prebuilt and got into PC building way later, this is genuinely the best advice. CyberpowerPC provided a lovely upgrade path for my PC in the form of having an AM4 Board and an M-Key M.2 Slot, meaning I can keep basically my whole system for as long as Ryzen will keep making AM4 chips 🤣
I built a PC from scratch. Other than a DOA motherboard that I had to return and get a new one it went smoothly. The only distressing thing was the lever on the CPU bracket does taking a frankly... distressing amount of force, but because I had a DOA motherboard I had to not only put it all in but take it all out and put it back in again. I think that kind of shook the jitters out of me. Seriously, by the time I got the new board installed I was FUGGIN' OVER IT. I still love my computer and its on a 2070 super and a i7 so old I forget wheat gen it is, but it was running Space Marine 2 and getting mildly warm. I'm ready for a new build and am waiting on parts. I think this one is a much better build that takes into account my learning experiences. I'm using that Ryzen x3D CPU this time and a 408i0 super. At the end of the day it really is Lego for grown ups. As long as you're following the directions correctly you've usually got nothing to worry about.
I was going to get a pre built, but then i decided i wanted to learn how to build a computer anyways. Could come in handy, and it will be easier to upgrade if i know my system. And it's better for price, especially because I'm going to buy stuff on black Friday weekend. Wish me luck on not breaking anything 🙏🏿
A pre-built doesn't mean the people who assembled it didn't mess up, and eliminating possibilities of mess ups would certaintly increase the quality of the end assemblies and probably save on some labour too.
I feel like it used to be more common to buy a motherboard + CPU pre-installed. But honestly that part isn't so difficult, it just feels scary because you either get it right or destroy the thing.
Yea people trashing prebuilts aren’t looking in the right place. I built my own pc before and I was planning on building another, but I saw a prebuilt corsair pc with a 3070 and a 13600kf for $550 at Best Buy. I bought 2, sold one of them for 1300 and kept the other and I’m still using it and it works great. It was open box and only available for pickup at one store an hour away from me which might be why it was cheap but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.
because youre paying for their time and everything, its a business they have to make money, we would never go prebuilt because we have the knowledge to build our own. thats not the case for a lot of people! @@D4C_LoveTrain1
Pre builds are not bad at all. You do spend a little more but you are paying for what someone else invested into themselves to provide you with a quality product.
If that guy goes with an am5 pc im gonna flip... LGA cpus are literally the easiest cpus to install. But even PGA socket cpus are easy to install. Its 2024, does no one know how to read instructions anymore? Literally building a pc is just more expensive legos. All of it just goes together easily. Ive never understood the struggle people have with building pcs.
I think upgrading a pre build is a more approachable way to dip out toes into into pc building instead of outright building a PC from the ground up as our first foray. Also buying one with upgrading in mind is an easy way to adress some of the most egregious cost cutting measures like single channel ram or sub standard cooling that pre builds often are subject too. I have an old prebuild that i thought was overdue for replacement but just upgrading the ram, the SSD and the CPU cooler the performance upgrade was higher than i expected.
I personally wouldn't consider that the worst step but positivity and supportiveness here. I'd still say cable management is kind of the worst step mainly because it's time consuming. Everything else just kind of clips into place assuming you don't have tolerance problems in your case.
I think there are a lot of excellent pre-built gaming PCs available these days. The problem is those of us who are really into picking out every component can't always get exactly what we want.
I remember as a kid me and my dad were building a gaming pc for his office (rendering) and he wanted me to put in the cpu. I was so scared I would break it as a kid because of all the tiny needles on it, this was a high end cpu too. I was surprised my dad even trusted kid me with this. Managed to get it in and screw it in properly with no problem though 😊
Or if you have stores that do it, have the pc built in store with the parts you buy. Usually done by professionals but I remember my first built pc and it was only after 7 years that the people who built it didn't use a certain offset screw for something I think it was the mother board and just used a regular ass screw.
Another factor to take in is , Do you have gaming buds nearby ? It can be a whole new friendship builder setting up a rebuild if your not 100% be that initial setup or helping pick out Periphials. You could also if determined to build it yourself have 2 eyes checking everything and have a good laugh together!
I still think it's important to know the basics of pc building when owning a gaming pc (or any computer), so if anything goes wrong you can fix it yourself and not spend a fortune paying someone to do it for you because you don't know anything. It's like owning a car, you should know the basics so you don't get ripped off.
You can also just go to a PC store, ask what sort of PC you want, say what your budget is, and they'll build a PC based on it. Most places will even warranty your PC so if anything happens, they'll look into it and if it's a hardware problem within your warranty, they'll replace it for free without you having to do anything. Yes, it's a little more expensive, but it's a happy medium between hoping a prebuilt has what you want and building one yourself.
I bought a custom built pc theres a website in our country which lets you choose the parts also gives you the boxes and receipts for the warranty and if there’s a problem with the pc you can return it within 100 days they also help with the compatibility
thanks especially it is good when there are shops like the one European once because I am a European and therefore can't buy from you where there is the entire part list which lets choose the parts custom and then it gets built in the workshop it is like the hybrid is building and gaming because using something like this still needs the planning off building without the hassle of building and the luxury of a "normal"pre build to just have everything working
Prebuilts have been becoming more fair in pricing but there was a time when the uninitiated were getting fleeced. It's part of why ZTT was able to exist imho.
I will buy prebuild, when my PC is a couple of generations behind, as sometimes you can find good deals, then eventually I use that as my base to build in the future. That is why I am still on AM4 platform.
I dont know a lot about pcs, but thw few times i have been changing thing on my pc, new cpu, gpu, new case, new power supply. I realized, i liked working on it, and not only on my own
Recently built my own gaming PC. Took about 6 weeks of research, ordering parts and then returning and reordering the parts because I found a better/cheaper option somewhere else. The actual building and set up only took about 5 hours lol.
Actally, there is another solution if you do not want to install the cpu, on aliexpress or other websites like this, you can found atx motherboards with a laptop cpu directly soldered on it. You got the advantages to not install the cpu yourself and it is way cheaper to buy this than a cpu and motherboard combo, but also the drawback of being stuck with that same cpu forever unless you buy another motherboard.
Nothing wrong with prebuilts, just make sure who your buying it from and what parts are inside. Some sites will have a full list of what's inside. Sone don't the don'ts will most likely cheap out on psu, mobo, etc. Just make sure you know what your buying 😉
IMO to know what prebuilt is good you need to learn about most of the parts anyway which I think is the hardest part of building a PC and at that point you can just find a list that you think is good or plan one and build it yourself! Unless you're not the type to build stuff like that but it's pretty intuitive
As one gets older, if pc building isnt your hobby, the 10% in saving is not worth the hours of your time with research and installation, and with prebuilt prices these days that 10% may even be generous.
It feels SO good to build your own PC, it felt like a right of passage or like building my own space ship lol BUT this should never be used to make people feel bad for just buying one. Gatekeeping and elitists ruin every hobby. Not everyone enjoys putting things together or have the time. We're all PC enjoyers at the end of the day and will all be fixing audio settings after Windows Updates
I get the urge to build a PC every few years. But the building part is the fun bit, the research part is the annoying bit, and it seems you always have to start from scratch as things change. Then comes the not fun part of installing all the software and drivers and dealing with the issues and tweaking it all. Last time I built a PC it was for work so someone else did the software stuff.
Pre build pcs need research too making sure corners are not cut. Ztt seems OK from what I've seen. There is a difference between works and works well. I've never bent a cpu pin ever in over 100 builds.
Even if you get a pre build I think it is still useful to learn about hardware and compatibility, otherwise you could get a hella expensive pre built that is not as good as it should be given the cost.
Aprat from ztt and nxzt what are some good places to buy a pre built from? Were well get the best bag for your buck and as bonus be kinda future prof for upgrades down the line?
I started with a Prebuild, then Upgraded my RAM as my first look on the inside of a Computer. After that I added more storage with SSDs. Next was the Graphics card. I ran into allot of issues here. With it being the first big Updgrade, I didnt look into it much other then compatibility with my motherboard. WELL I did not take into account the Power Supply being weak and the case being too small. So with the Graphic card, I had to buy a new Power Supply and a New case(My poor bank account) Anyways, I got the graphics card in and it works beautifully. After a year or so I then upgraded my Mother board and my processor, and I can not say I built my own computer...Im hoping to get new Case Fans soon for better air circulation
The chip set is already in please. But they did not unlock it. No need for a processor at all.eg b450 chipset. Dh55pj chipset. The are the processors and they also do the bottle snacking a the same time😅😊
My problem with prebuilts is no matter the brand they all cut cost somewhere no matter if you buy a mid grade or high end rig. All your parts wont be whatever tier you purchase. Thats been my experience
I personally like working on pcs and upgrading my own and my best friend is opposite so 100% agree I do drive over to do the upgrades for him though lol
I bought a new video card for my system and hadn't even thought about needing a new PSU. I get the card installed and it wont boot up. Did some investigating and realized that the new video card needed a much larger PSU to run it. Had to drive 90 minutes to Microcenter to pick up a new PSU. LOL Even after all these years of building my own PCs, I still make mistakes.
When my gaming laptop finally crapped out on me, I wanted to invest in a proper gaming PC for myself. While my husband has built PCs and offered to do the same for me, his work is very demanding and I knew all the time it took to get parts and plan it out, which is why I wanted to save him the trouble and buy a prebuilt. He was more than happy to help me pick out a PC with the best parts and can help me with fixes and upgrades in the future. But while looking for good brands, the community would drown out any other opinion than "build your own". Thank you for giving prebuilts the service they deserve. As long as you pick a trustworthy brand, it's worth it.
Thank god, i got this company in my country where you can pick the pc parts and they build it for you, so you dont need to build a pc and search for hours for your wanted parts
I bought a Steam Deck specifically because I couldn't be bothered getting back into the "hassle" of DIY builds after being out for almost a decade now. After three attempts at parts lists and each one getting poo-poo-d online I gave up for the adult Gameboy.
Pre building makes sense if you cant or dont want to do the fiddling your self... yes you pay a bit for the effort (some pre builders charge more than some).
For everyone who says beginners need to build their own PCs and that it is easy and cheaper. How many of you change the oil in your car, change the air filter, or do any of the basic things that need to be done to maintain a vehicle? What can you do for much cheaper yourself with just some parts and a few minutes of TH-cam research? The same applies to building a PC; many things seem easy to those who either have done it or have seen it done often. However, actually doing it can be intimidating to someone who has yet to do it or see it done often enough to be familiar with it. Just like the essential maintenance on your car, the guys at a local mechanic shop might say the same for you not doing the basics yourself. Sometimes you want to use the thing, and not worry about the "simple" building or maintenance of the thing you use daily.
That depends on what pre-build your talking about. Buing an pre-buildt like for example HP Omen or Alienware PC is rather dumb. The reason is that you get verry little value for money. Little to no possibilities for upgrades. And when it comes to software updates, they more or less just gives you the middle finger. The same pretty much goes for ASUS and MSI pre-builds too. If you absolutely don't want to build your own Gaming PC, I would recommend configuring and buying from places like: PC Spesialist, Falcon Northwest, Origin, iBUYPOWER etc.
pre-built usually cost more than picking each part yourself, you can save like hundred dollars if you get the good deals . However, building a pc is fricking nightmare, I bend my amd cpu once and it cost me 200 bucks lol
Considering upgrading my setup from 2016. Keep in mind that prices for pc parts are about 15% more expensive here. I can get a used rtx 3070 for ~320$. Only real competitor would be an rx 7700 xt for 450$ or a 4060 for ~300$. Both on sale. & thinking of pairing it w/ an r5 7500F / r5 7600. Is that a sane pairing? any other reccomendations? Main idea is just to build something that could handle 1440p gaming and will last for a long time
Yea so a 3070 is not going to do great in 1440p, unless your playing mainly esport titles or low graphic games. I would go for a 6800 xt. But the cpu choice is great, I would go for the r5 7600
It’s what I did. The nerves of fucking something up if I build my own are simply too stressful… yes you pay extra but you also get peace of mind least for me
PC gamers do NOT have to be PC builders 🙌
True I love pc building but it would be nice to start making money off of selling them
yup, i love building, gaming, and even coding.
You dont even have to be a gamer to use and own a pc
Zach, would a RTX 2060 GPU be good and would it be compatible with he dell optiplex 3040?
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Thank you for saying this I feel like so many beginners think they have to build it
Well it's a piece of technology you'll be spending time with and if something's not right or you wanna upgrade you're gonna have to waste money giving it to a repair shop instead of learning to do things on your own
Building it yourself means you save money
@@papastalin3498 you are right. But there are a lot of people who would rather pay someone that understand tech then going through the whole process of trail and error. Some times you will spend more making mistakes than if you just paid someone to do it for you.
@@christownsend552 you are also correct.
@@JustinLapington I work in a service industry and have to explain this to my customers all the time. Most don’t realize or appreciate the time and effort you put into to your craft. I may charge you 100 bucks for something that took me 15 min. The only reason it took me 15 min is cuz I’ve been perfecting my craft for 10 years
My first was a prebuilt, never regretted it. Got it during Covid when GPU prices were insane, so it ended up being cheaper than the same parts individually bizarrely enough. Since then I’ve slowly upgraded just about every component.great way to learn pc building and it’s also what pushed me into IT as a career and got me a job. Net positive for the prebuilts.
Same every where I would look for details it was always someone telling me to create one myself, annoyed the fuck outta me. I ended up getting an NZXT pre built with good parts that are predicted to last another half a decade with the warranty I have. The specs aren’t aging badly still after many years with it. Also I got it for cheap since it was after the release of a new gpu, so I got a great deal around the price of building one myself after doing math comparison
Hey quick question, is it true that its hard to get a job in the comp sci field? Im in college and took a pre-nursing track but its not my passion and ive always loved computers so i wanna know before i switch classes.
@@GeorgeWockington01 it isn’t impossible. I did spend several months on the job hunt and I got a part time job while I was searching in the meantime. It is really just luck sometimes, but there’s stuff you can do to help yourself. Having a degree in the field obviously is quite beneficial, but I have a degree with a major completely unrelated to IT. What I think is truly important is showing a prospective employer that you have a desire and a passion for it. What I did was get several IT certifications and put them on my resume. There’s the CompTIA ones, Microsoft has a bunch as well. They basically show proficiency in a specific area of IT. Having a degree at all puts you in a good spot, and having supplemental things in your resume that shows employers that you are competent and directed toward the field of your choice. The last bit of advice is that you should be ready for the fact that your first job in a Comp Sci career might not match up to your dream job. I wanted to get into cybersecurity, but my first job in “IT” was as a field technician fixing printers, with a little bit of networking on the side. It paid the bills though, and was something I could put in my resume to make me more attractive to employers later on.
Price to performance is the issue. That's how I started building my own pcs. Didn't want to pay $2k for a pc with $1k worth of parts.
Keep in mind this was about 7 years ago when I started.
Yea, do both and you can spend more money for soft- hardware✌️
Show me a single prebuild with a 100% markup. The markup is like 10% in reputable companies, you get a warranty and a PC with optimal parts. The only reason people like you trash prebuilds is because they want to feel superior.
Nost good prebuilds have a 100€ markup which if fair tbh
Same. My first rig waa a r5 3600 with a 1660 super.
I think i spent about 850 to 900 pn the build. Saw a similar build online for prebuilt for about 1100-1200 at the time
@@MuppetsSh0w Nope, they definitely exist. Maybe not exactly or over 100%, but 80% is easy to find. But you're right that they absolutely have competitors with fair markups.
I bought a custom Built from NZXT in 2020 - couldn’t be more grateful to have it still today. I do take good care of it (regular cleanings and such )
what did you buy for how much
One thing too is there are places where you can buy custom built PCs, so that you can get the benefit of not having to build while simultaneously getting while getting the specific stuff you want.
It’s how I got my original PC back about a decade ago, at a local business PC place. They even would order what you are looking for if they didn’t have it in stock. Honestly a great place. Since then I have practically replaced almost every part during a mass PC upgrade and did it all myself this time.
I just hope that in the future they don’t go poof ever, as it’s my worry when there is big box stores and their “geek squad” that doesn’t know anything of what they are doing comparatively.
As a guy who has built my own pcs for 30 years , I totally agree ,building them is not for everyone and thats ok.
"1-4 hours"
-not me building my first pc in 8hours
mine was 2 weeks💀
Mine took me a weekend lol
My first gaming PC was prebuilt. And it was pretty good. AND it helped me learn how to work with parts as I upgraded components through its life. It got me ready and confident enough TO take that step where when it was time for the full monte upgrade to a completely new build, I COULD do it myself.
I don't know about the US, but in my place u can just choose ur parts seperately from different stores and bring to any pc store ( it can be from neither u have chosen ur parts with) and they will built it for u. And for free lol
I actually agree with the original comment. There's no technical requirement for a CPU or its socket to have fragile exposed pins that can easily be damaged. I'm sure it could be possible to have a CPU that would be as easy and safe to switch out as a GPU is. The most awkward part of changing a CPU should be the thermal paste, not worrying about damaging fragile pins.
I have a feeling that ZTT and most people in the comments might have misunderstood the question...
Got a prebuilt in 2020 (Alienware aurora r9, 10th gen i9, 2070Super) and it was so nice to just hook it up and play. One really nice thing with bigger brand prebuilts is RMA and tech support. Had a bios update bork my motherboard and they sent someone out to replace it. When my GPU stopped working they sent a replacement as well (it then started working again but that doesn’t matter).
With a custom build, you’re stuck handling any RMA with whatever warranty the part manufacturer has, meaning you also have to keep track of information for each part separately.
I’m still working on building my own PC for my second rig but these are some things to think about
Pangoly has helped me want to build my own PC more! I plan to add my 3060ti to my new PC with a new graphics card to push it further.
I got a pre built from micro center miami when they opened and had nice deals. Got a power spec with a 7800x3D and a 4070 super 32g ram and 2T for 1,400 ish, and I love it.
That’s a real great deal
That is a good deal but I built mine around August too and for 1500ish got 64gb and a 4080 super instead, plus a ton of pride and a stronger sense of understanding about PCs than before
@@IndecisiveStoner Any reqs to where buy parts? Eu shipping
Another option for newbies is to ask help if available. When I was a teenager I would pay for a technician to upgrade my CPU until I mustered the courage to do it myself. Also if you know someone that builds PCs there's no shame to ask if they could be around to help you out
Thats the weirdest complaint every but also makes sense
I think his complaint isn't that you have to install the CPU.
It's that it's way too delicate. Installing the RAM, the GPU, and the drives is not nearly as delicate as the CPU.
Yeah 👍
@@brian0057 Installing an AM3 ryzen cpu isn't all that delicate of a process.
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I'm just explaining the OP's complaint.
I don't have a problem installing any type of CPU.
@@panzerofthelake506an AM3? If I had to build, I would go min of am4, right?
If you're buying a pre-built I 100% recommend Corsair. I love mine and mine came with a defective gpu and wrong size ssd but corsair customer support was totally awesome. They don't outsource and they don't waste your time, they know what they're doing. They use off the shelf parts too. I got mine during the gpu shortage and the prices were very reasonable for the computer v
I'm very much into both pc gaming and building. My first computer was a prebuilt and its what ultimately got me started when building my current pc. Ill never bemoan someone for wanting a prebuild but just warn them that there is a premium being paid when you buy one. I always recommend anyone looking for a prebuild to seek help from someone knowledgeable with pc parts so they know exactly what is relative value for whatever they're looking at. I loved my first pc but in hindsight, an i5 11400f, rtx 2060, 8gb DDR4 ram, and 500gb m.2 ssd for $1000 is very poor value even for prebuilds. I'd love to be able to warn new pc buyers of the pitfalls of the prebuild market.
Another advantage of a pre-built is that if anything goes wrong it's on them and not you. I recently bought and built a PC (a cheap Ryzen 5 4600g build) and the computer turned on but didn't display image. I had to take it back to see if any piece of hardware is broken and that'll take up to a month.
With a pre-built that wouldn't have happened
Right. I'm getting more into PC building out of necessity tho I'm glad I have. Like most Americans making under 200k a yr I just don't have 5k to drop on a great pre built but over a few months of buying everything required I could build one just as good if not better.
There is 3rd and 4th way
3:buy the parts u want , take it to someone that knows how to build it(as a store) and pay that extra
4:talk and plan with a store about the parts you want , he will builds it than go take it or wait to get to you house(thats what i did) you can say that's a half pre-build
Installing the cpu is the best part. Once you get past the "i feel like im gonna break this super expensive hardware" stage because alot of it does take an alarming amount of pressure to seat properly then it becomes super duper easy and fun
My son wanted a gaming pc. I did the research and he worked his job. He bought the parts and I put them together. It’s a nice looking pc. I wouldn’t care to game on it much as I love my old one players games. He turned it on and was extremely pleased to not have to have done much work.
this is so true. if you want to build pcs, you need to know a LOT more than gamers. things like compatibility and power supplies are some times too much for first time builders.
If you want easy CPU installation, get a slot 1 machine. The CPUs are on a card and slot in the same way as a GPU. Hard to mess up.
Most of the time, you only need to pay attention to detail in order to correctly install a CPU. I was building a new system and the CPU had a solid triangle shape to indicate which corner went into the correct orientation. I put it in, put the cover down and pushed the locking lever down and I heard cracking/splintering noises. I pull the CPU out and 4 pins have been crunched. I must not have had it seated properly. Thankfully I had a tiny needlenose plier and bent them back in to shape. I reinserted the CPU and had no problems with it! I ran that computer for 8 years!
My issue with pre-builts is that you still need insight into what components you're buying to ensure upgradeability and future-proofing. For example I see a lot of cheap prebuilts today that use the AM4 platform, bare minimum PSUs, and insufficient cooling. They also often take advantage of the lesser knowledge of the consumer to make them overpay.
The best thing to do is to let a knowledgeable acquaintance either build the whole thing or order the parts from a store that offers assembly for a (usually pretty cheap) price. The one I buy from does it for 85 euro flat.
As someone who bought a prebuilt and got into PC building way later, this is genuinely the best advice. CyberpowerPC provided a lovely upgrade path for my PC in the form of having an AM4 Board and an M-Key M.2 Slot, meaning I can keep basically my whole system for as long as Ryzen will keep making AM4 chips 🤣
Buying a prebuilt is what got me into learning to build. It was fun learning the ins and outs of building a pc.
My first pc was a pre-built from my dad and I plan on getting an AMD graphics card for it so it can cope (it has an intel pentium inside cpu)
I love how you correct everyone's grammar.
I built a PC from scratch. Other than a DOA motherboard that I had to return and get a new one it went smoothly. The only distressing thing was the lever on the CPU bracket does taking a frankly... distressing amount of force, but because I had a DOA motherboard I had to not only put it all in but take it all out and put it back in again.
I think that kind of shook the jitters out of me. Seriously, by the time I got the new board installed I was FUGGIN' OVER IT.
I still love my computer and its on a 2070 super and a i7 so old I forget wheat gen it is, but it was running Space Marine 2 and getting mildly warm. I'm ready for a new build and am waiting on parts.
I think this one is a much better build that takes into account my learning experiences. I'm using that Ryzen x3D CPU this time and a 408i0 super.
At the end of the day it really is Lego for grown ups. As long as you're following the directions correctly you've usually got nothing to worry about.
Where I'm from you can go to an IT store, pick the parts and the store workers build it for you
I was going to get a pre built, but then i decided i wanted to learn how to build a computer anyways. Could come in handy, and it will be easier to upgrade if i know my system. And it's better for price, especially because I'm going to buy stuff on black Friday weekend. Wish me luck on not breaking anything 🙏🏿
A pre-built doesn't mean the people who assembled it didn't mess up, and eliminating possibilities of mess ups would certaintly increase the quality of the end assemblies and probably save on some labour too.
And if you want to be able to upgrade, make sure theirs no proprietary connector bullshit in the prebuilt. Screw Hp
I feel like it used to be more common to buy a motherboard + CPU pre-installed. But honestly that part isn't so difficult, it just feels scary because you either get it right or destroy the thing.
Yea people trashing prebuilts aren’t looking in the right place. I built my own pc before and I was planning on building another, but I saw a prebuilt corsair pc with a 3070 and a 13600kf for $550 at Best Buy. I bought 2, sold one of them for 1300 and kept the other and I’m still using it and it works great. It was open box and only available for pickup at one store an hour away from me which might be why it was cheap but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.
The issue is usually brand new due to the price.
$800 parts can cost you $1200 prebuilt.
@@D4C_LoveTrain1yea there’s basically never. EVER a good reason to go prebuilt.
because youre paying for their time and everything, its a business they have to make money, we would never go prebuilt because we have the knowledge to build our own. thats not the case for a lot of people! @@D4C_LoveTrain1
The pc you got might of been okay but the big problem with it is that it's a pre built
@@2518josh bro i got the whole thing for the price of the gpu alone🤣
Pre builds are not bad at all. You do spend a little more but you are paying for what someone else invested into themselves to provide you with a quality product.
If that guy goes with an am5 pc im gonna flip... LGA cpus are literally the easiest cpus to install.
But even PGA socket cpus are easy to install. Its 2024, does no one know how to read instructions anymore? Literally building a pc is just more expensive legos. All of it just goes together easily. Ive never understood the struggle people have with building pcs.
I think upgrading a pre build is a more approachable way to dip out toes into into pc building instead of outright building a PC from the ground up as our first foray.
Also buying one with upgrading in mind is an easy way to adress some of the most egregious cost cutting measures like single channel ram or sub standard cooling that pre builds often are subject too.
I have an old prebuild that i thought was overdue for replacement but just upgrading the ram, the SSD and the CPU cooler the performance upgrade was higher than i expected.
I personally wouldn't consider that the worst step but positivity and supportiveness here. I'd still say cable management is kind of the worst step mainly because it's time consuming. Everything else just kind of clips into place assuming you don't have tolerance problems in your case.
Zach, I've learned much from your videos. It's like fixing your own car when you aren't the mechanic.
I think there are a lot of excellent pre-built gaming PCs available these days. The problem is those of us who are really into picking out every component can't always get exactly what we want.
I remember as a kid me and my dad were building a gaming pc for his office (rendering) and he wanted me to put in the cpu. I was so scared I would break it as a kid because of all the tiny needles on it, this was a high end cpu too. I was surprised my dad even trusted kid me with this. Managed to get it in and screw it in properly with no problem though 😊
Or if you have stores that do it, have the pc built in store with the parts you buy. Usually done by professionals but I remember my first built pc and it was only after 7 years that the people who built it didn't use a certain offset screw for something I think it was the mother board and just used a regular ass screw.
Another factor to take in is , Do you have gaming buds nearby ? It can be a whole new friendship builder setting up a rebuild if your not 100% be that initial setup or helping pick out Periphials. You could also if determined to build it yourself have 2 eyes checking everything and have a good laugh together!
Honestly it’s so fun putting a pc together and building it
I still think it's important to know the basics of pc building when owning a gaming pc (or any computer), so if anything goes wrong you can fix it yourself and not spend a fortune paying someone to do it for you because you don't know anything. It's like owning a car, you should know the basics so you don't get ripped off.
You can also just go to a PC store, ask what sort of PC you want, say what your budget is, and they'll build a PC based on it. Most places will even warranty your PC so if anything happens, they'll look into it and if it's a hardware problem within your warranty, they'll replace it for free without you having to do anything. Yes, it's a little more expensive, but it's a happy medium between hoping a prebuilt has what you want and building one yourself.
I bought a custom built pc theres a website in our country which lets you choose the parts also gives you the boxes and receipts for the warranty and if there’s a problem with the pc you can return it within 100 days they also help with the compatibility
Couldn’t think of any better answers, thank you for mastering the very intricate, nearly extinct art of making sense.
thanks especially it is good when there are shops like the one European once because I am a European and therefore can't buy from you where there is the entire part list which lets choose the parts custom and then it gets built in the workshop it is like the hybrid is building and gaming because using something like this still needs the planning off building without the hassle of building and the luxury of a "normal"pre build to just have everything working
Prebuilts have been becoming more fair in pricing but there was a time when the uninitiated were getting fleeced. It's part of why ZTT was able to exist imho.
I will buy prebuild, when my PC is a couple of generations behind, as sometimes you can find good deals, then eventually I use that as my base to build in the future.
That is why I am still on AM4 platform.
I dont know a lot about pcs, but thw few times i have been changing thing on my pc, new cpu, gpu, new case, new power supply. I realized, i liked working on it, and not only on my own
So today I dreamed of a gigabyte Ryzen 4080 dual fan. I promise😂
Ztt pls react
I want a pc build aesthetically centered around the nvidia 10 series cards designs.
Recently built my own gaming PC. Took about 6 weeks of research, ordering parts and then returning and reordering the parts because I found a better/cheaper option somewhere else. The actual building and set up only took about 5 hours lol.
Actally, there is another solution if you do not want to install the cpu, on aliexpress or other websites like this, you can found atx motherboards with a laptop cpu directly soldered on it. You got the advantages to not install the cpu yourself and it is way cheaper to buy this than a cpu and motherboard combo, but also the drawback of being stuck with that same cpu forever unless you buy another motherboard.
Nothing wrong with prebuilts, just make sure who your buying it from and what parts are inside. Some sites will have a full list of what's inside. Sone don't the don'ts will most likely cheap out on psu, mobo, etc. Just make sure you know what your buying 😉
IMO to know what prebuilt is good you need to learn about most of the parts anyway which I think is the hardest part of building a PC and at that point you can just find a list that you think is good or plan one and build it yourself! Unless you're not the type to build stuff like that but it's pretty intuitive
Installing fans and cable management that’s what’s delicate in pc building. The rest is fun
The site I ordered from offers to preinstall the CPU on your mainboard for like 20 bucks, so there's definitely a market for that.
As one gets older, if pc building isnt your hobby, the 10% in saving is not worth the hours of your time with research and installation, and with prebuilt prices these days that 10% may even be generous.
It feels SO good to build your own PC, it felt like a right of passage or like building my own space ship lol BUT this should never be used to make people feel bad for just buying one. Gatekeeping and elitists ruin every hobby. Not everyone enjoys putting things together or have the time. We're all PC enjoyers at the end of the day and will all be fixing audio settings after Windows Updates
I get the urge to build a PC every few years. But the building part is the fun bit, the research part is the annoying bit, and it seems you always have to start from scratch as things change. Then comes the not fun part of installing all the software and drivers and dealing with the issues and tweaking it all. Last time I built a PC it was for work so someone else did the software stuff.
I'm here for both of the hobbies I'm personally more excited to build my PC though but that's just my preference
Pre build pcs need research too making sure corners are not cut. Ztt seems OK from what I've seen. There is a difference between works and works well. I've never bent a cpu pin ever in over 100 builds.
I straight up dont care about learning how to build my own rig. I wanna be able to just bring it away if it has issues and pick it back up when fixed
Went in blind for my first PC build a couple weeks ago with little research and the thing works great compared to my underpowered old pre-built
I used to build gaming PCs for my job so I know how to make a gaming PC, but I'd still buy a pre-built just for the time it saves.
Even if you get a pre build I think it is still useful to learn about hardware and compatibility, otherwise you could get a hella expensive pre built that is not as good as it should be given the cost.
I would recommend buying a pre-built pc mostly from a local store so u can change or fix your pc quick
Aprat from ztt and nxzt what are some good places to buy a pre built from? Were well get the best bag for your buck and as bonus be kinda future prof for upgrades down the line?
For starters by a prebuild that last a while, then upgrade individual parts🖥
I started with a Prebuild, then Upgraded my RAM as my first look on the inside of a Computer.
After that I added more storage with SSDs.
Next was the Graphics card. I ran into allot of issues here. With it being the first big Updgrade, I didnt look into it much other then compatibility with my motherboard. WELL I did not take into account the Power Supply being weak and the case being too small.
So with the Graphic card, I had to buy a new Power Supply and a New case(My poor bank account)
Anyways, I got the graphics card in and it works beautifully.
After a year or so I then upgraded my Mother board and my processor, and I can not say I built my own computer...Im hoping to get new Case Fans soon for better air circulation
An actual fix is buying pre installed cpus and motherboard combos for like 20$ more on amazon if you buy your parts there
The chip set is already in please. But they did not unlock it. No need for a processor at all.eg b450 chipset. Dh55pj chipset. The are the processors and they also do the bottle snacking a the same time😅😊
My problem with prebuilts is no matter the brand they all cut cost somewhere no matter if you buy a mid grade or high end rig. All your parts wont be whatever tier you purchase. Thats been my experience
Well there are ones that don't cut costs, but those are the $6000 ones that have $4000 worth of hardware
I’d really like to buy one of your pre builts but it seems you don’t ship to canada do you have any plan too or is it already an option I didn’t see?
He said us only shipping
Even better: buy every part you want in your build and have someone else built it for you.
I personally like working on pcs and upgrading my own and my best friend is opposite so 100% agree I do drive over to do the upgrades for him though lol
It's kinda usual that people still buy psu under the actual wattage of your pc
I bought a new video card for my system and hadn't even thought about needing a new PSU. I get the card installed and it wont boot up. Did some investigating and realized that the new video card needed a much larger PSU to run it. Had to drive 90 minutes to Microcenter to pick up a new PSU. LOL Even after all these years of building my own PCs, I still make mistakes.
Zach can u also ship to other countries
I live in turkey and i really like ur prebuilts
When my gaming laptop finally crapped out on me, I wanted to invest in a proper gaming PC for myself.
While my husband has built PCs and offered to do the same for me, his work is very demanding and I knew all the time it took to get parts and plan it out, which is why I wanted to save him the trouble and buy a prebuilt. He was more than happy to help me pick out a PC with the best parts and can help me with fixes and upgrades in the future.
But while looking for good brands, the community would drown out any other opinion than "build your own". Thank you for giving prebuilts the service they deserve. As long as you pick a trustworthy brand, it's worth it.
For me the most annoying thing about building a pc is that all the parts never come at once.
Building is more fun because you learn more and if it goes wrong you know how to fix it yourself and the maintenance is Also easier
Thank god, i got this company in my country where you can pick the pc parts and they build it for you, so you dont need to build a pc and search for hours for your wanted parts
Yeah, it took me a year to figure everything out and build my very own PC. Now I'm a PC nerd. 🤓
I bought a Steam Deck specifically because I couldn't be bothered getting back into the "hassle" of DIY builds after being out for almost a decade now. After three attempts at parts lists and each one getting poo-poo-d online I gave up for the adult Gameboy.
In india, you go to the store and pick the pc parts there and a pc builder working at that store builds the pc right in front of your eyes.
Pre building makes sense if you cant or dont want to do the fiddling your self... yes you pay a bit for the effort (some pre builders charge more than some).
People with really really strict budget would like to interrupt
For everyone who says beginners need to build their own PCs and that it is easy and cheaper. How many of you change the oil in your car, change the air filter, or do any of the basic things that need to be done to maintain a vehicle? What can you do for much cheaper yourself with just some parts and a few minutes of TH-cam research? The same applies to building a PC; many things seem easy to those who either have done it or have seen it done often. However, actually doing it can be intimidating to someone who has yet to do it or see it done often enough to be familiar with it. Just like the essential maintenance on your car, the guys at a local mechanic shop might say the same for you not doing the basics yourself. Sometimes you want to use the thing, and not worry about the "simple" building or maintenance of the thing you use daily.
Or like how people go to McDonald's instead of cooking at home.
Hey man big fan of you I want to ask what kind of motherboard do I need for a GTX 1660 super and a ryzen 5 50600
And am4 Motherboard, so b550 or b450
The motherboard Related only to CPU not gpus
That depends on what pre-build your talking about. Buing an pre-buildt like for example HP Omen or Alienware PC is rather dumb. The reason is that you get verry little value for money. Little to no possibilities for upgrades. And when it comes to software updates, they more or less just gives you the middle finger. The same pretty much goes for ASUS and MSI pre-builds too. If you absolutely don't want to build your own Gaming PC, I would recommend configuring and buying from places like: PC Spesialist, Falcon Northwest, Origin, iBUYPOWER etc.
Honestly I felt like putting in the cpu was the easiest part of building a pc
pre-built usually cost more than picking each part yourself, you can save like hundred dollars if you get the good deals . However, building a pc is fricking nightmare, I bend my amd cpu once and it cost me 200 bucks lol
Considering upgrading my setup from 2016. Keep in mind that prices for pc parts are about 15% more expensive here.
I can get a used rtx 3070 for ~320$. Only real competitor would be an rx 7700 xt for 450$ or a 4060 for ~300$. Both on sale.
& thinking of pairing it w/ an r5 7500F / r5 7600.
Is that a sane pairing?
any other reccomendations?
Main idea is just to build something that could handle 1440p gaming and will last for a long time
Yea so a 3070 is not going to do great in 1440p, unless your playing mainly esport titles or low graphic games. I would go for a 6800 xt. But the cpu choice is great, I would go for the r5 7600
It’s what I did. The nerves of fucking something up if I build my own are simply too stressful… yes you pay extra but you also get peace of mind least for me