I think the Aprilia has too much plastic to be classified as a naked bike. That's just my opinion. To me it most definitely looks like a super sport. It's basically fully faired. I love the look of the Hornet. You can call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day it is what it is. Everyone has there own style if you will. What is the most beautiful bike to one person may be another person's least favorite.
The outdated design of aprillias frame is one of the reasons is just doest look good compared to others. That mid frame… its the same on some bikes starting from about 1985..
I ride MTB ( besides motorcycles ). One thing I can point out about wider handlebars is that you have much much more control on the angle / direction of a turn you make. Same thing has been happening in the MTB industry. Now handlebars are with 35% wider that in 2000
I remember chopping the ends off my bmx in 1999 to make them narrower by 15mm roughly each side. I really should have thought ahead and taken less off to begin with to see how it would ride instead of how it looked
If you've ridden dirt bikes then naked bikes feel right at home for you. I just got a duke 390 as my first street bike, and my previous dirt bike was a yz125. Different power band but it feels so comfortable and easy to use.
I rode XR & CR80's when I was a kid back in the late 80s early 90s. Used to pillion on my dads xj900. Got my bike licence 5 years ago and am a bit big for it but super comfy bars on my CB500F. still a bit narrow so I ride with my pinkies off the bar ends. Am looking at a 900 hornet when I get my opens, might put a set of 500f bars on it. Enjoy your duke 👍
On the upside down forks no they're still upside down. Think about it like a cup with fork oil. Upside down forks better have awesome seals or it will lose all of its oil immediately because its upside down.
I have ridden super sport 600's for 30 years, had 6 of them and still have 1. I switched 4 years ago to a super naked 1000 and I love it. I'll never go back to a 600 sport bike. Nakeds are so much more comfortable (I've had a bad back for most of my life) and I like the handling better too. I'm not looking for 160mph top end any more, I like the 0-100 in 4.8 sec. hooligan style riding now....you guys can have that top end stuff.
Agreed. Owned one, loved it. Honda didn't love it, SV650 and Ducati Monster came after and basically ate Honda's lunch in that segment afterward. Honda CB1, VF500, Suzuki Bandit 400, and I am sure there are others from the mid to late 1980s.
My last bike a CCM644 Supermoto. But 14 years ago it was decided that we needed a new kitchen instead. Now I have just bought a 2002 CB900F Hornet and it is so good to be back in the saddle. The Hornet is such a great user friendly machine that you can go for a long ride or just pop to the shop on and it is happy in almost any environment. After 14 years away from owning a motorcycle I felt at home straight away on the Hornet. I thought I would buy something old and cheap for the first year and then upgrade but I really don't see what I could upgrade to that would be better for my needs that the 900 Hornet!
2 things I wanted to add, the term street fighter were also know as "hooligan" bike over in Europe. That and the original superduke came out in 2005 as a 990, though yes you are correct about the 1290 coming out in 2014. Fully have to aggree suzuki release the b-king at the wrong time and I am truly surprised they haven't designed a new version to compete with the current super nakeds because the naked 1000 they have is quite a slouch compared to the rest. Great video keep up the good work.
130-150hp is the sweet spot for a naked bike imho assuming it's a large displacement 900cc or over. Those engines are capable of so much more than that wich is why it's the bulletproof zone... When you take a 200 horsepower engine and just make it reliably put out a 145 horsepower and up the torque you have Absolutely reliable fun bike to ride that you will never need to worry about outside of routine maintenance. I honestly thought that 130-150hp is the sweet spot for the most fun on road on a naked bike. If I was in the market for a bike I'd be taking a hard look at the Honda CB1000-R Black Edition. That is suchba sweet bike that is probably going to last forever. And I'm willing to bet it's super easy to work on like oil changes etc.
@@AlexanderHonsVonEber well theybare both sweet it would really come down to your engine preferences. I like the 4 cylinder in the Honda personally but lots like the V2 in the Duc. That would really be the deciding factor for me personally. Do you prefer an inline-4(Honda)or a V-twin(Ducati)?
I bought a GSXS when I was looking for a sport bike. You can’t beat the prices on the naked bikes, plus they’re more comfortable and road friendly whilst still retaining the speed factor.
When it comes to talking about naked street fighters I'm always amazed how the goliath K1200/1300R bikes from BMW go completely unmentioned. Like, completely under the radar of almost every discussion. Discontinued in 2015 but what absolute beasts they were!
This is just a conversation, which would have taken work to script of course. My comment is this. The volume of quality content on this channel is astounding. Thanks so much for covering the world of road bikes so comprehensively. Very much appreciated
I bought a CB650R after watching your content and I think it is crazy to think now that a 12000rpm reving 4 in-line making 93hp is constantly "dull". Maybe it is and maybe that's why I love it so much, chill when I want it to be and super fast when I rev up, best of both world.
I’ve the Evo since last March and she’s got two identities, you can chill out if you want but you always perceive what lurks under the surface and, when you want it to come out, it’s a blast. But that requires a lot of self control ✌️
I just picked up a 08 Yamaha fz1 it puts down 150 HP and is now dubbed the old man r1 all the power and way more comfy. Ps love the channel and content. Keep it coming
I have a 2015 (air cooled) Bonneville and a Monster 821 and I couldn't agree more. I've switched between them and I was still trying to put words to the difference. The bars are different. The power delivery on the Monster borders on angry, while the Bonneville just chills. Great content! Would actually love a comparison of the Tenere 700 to an MT-07 too, to show how ADV bikes evolved from nakeds with dirt tires and suspension to what they are now
The Ducati Monster is still the most beautiful naked bike in existence IMO. I first saw one in around 2007, and it’s lived in my mind rent free since then.
The only complaint that I had with my 599 Hornet was indeed the handlebar’s. They were a little too narrow, and maybe it’s just me, but I feel like it a put a lot of unnecessary pressure on the wrists. Aside from that though, it was a fantastic bike and I never felt the need to “upgrade “ to the 919. Not to mention the 599 just had such a distinct sound and feel that the newer bikes just don’t have.
I'd been riding for probably about 13 years already when in 1980 the first Katana hit the streets. To me that's the very first bike that falls into the class of bike you're talking about. I'm thinking 1988 GSX1100F (the year mine is) may be the first year of the sport touring version. In my opinion if you have a fast bike, at least some sort of fairing is nice.
As someone who started on a 98 katana 750, really got lucky to find my favorite style of bike first. Sport touring, windscreen, with all the torque you could ever want. Fell in love with the sport touring and its just fun as heck
Maybe they didn't include it because it has that small front fairing? But the monster definitely wasn't the first stock street fighter. Honda nt650 hawk was built in 88
You guys keep talking about the "Choke" on the 919, Busa, etc.. It's nice to see that you realise they're actually high idle adjusters but you still seem to think they're pointless. Trust me, on a true cold start (ie: Not in Texas), they are very necessary. In the early days, they were manual levers. The levers disappeared and the ECU/actuators eventually took over. Now, throttles are fully electronically controlled but still, during a cold start, they're doing the same thing those levers did to keep the bike from stumbling and stalling until it warms up.
Had my xjr1300 for about 8years, and I still love it. Best choice for taller riders in terms of riding position and still great for going fast and chill at the same heh. Nakeds are a new breed now 🤗
Don't forget, the 2014 EBR 1190sx, 185hp 102 ft lbs of torque and an excellent chassis. Have a 21 Tuono Factory, love it amazing machine, but you do need to know how to ride to be able to unleash the power, such fun!!
It all started with the Borile 500 in 1999 and going into limited production in 2007 It started the trend of modern tech with old 60's theme bike with insane power to weight ratios. Followed by the Guzzi Griso
Wouldn't the 88 Honda Hawk gt be considered the first naked bike? It had an all aluminum sub frame. That allowed the v twin be hung instead of sitting in frame?
I lost a 2006 919 (backed over by a dump truck in a parking lot) and it still makes me sad when I think about it that was the best around town bike I have ever owned it was just flawless.
Something that wasn’t really mentioned. Naked bikes are great for those of us getting a little bit older. I’m 40. Came from riding dirt bikes and I don’t like the super low cruiser seating position, but naked bikes are a lot more comfortable than sport bikes or me. Less weight on your wrists, less stress on your back.but also they are easier for me to get my leg over than tall dual sports and adventure bikes
All we ever wanted was a big Japanese 4 banger with a ton of torque for the street! And they finally made them. I own a GSX-S1000 myself and a CBR300R!!
I started on a Honda 919 back around 2004 or so. So much fun. I thought I wanted a CBR or other sportbike but after sitting on them the 919 grew on me. Just bought my 2nd Honda a NC700X and glad to have a Honda again. Detuned motor with more low range torque and lower RPM. My good friend still owns my first ride and still looks great and hasn't lost any style points compared to the same year sportbikes that just look super dated.
i have a cb650r and i love that bike i really feel like it can be chill it can rip and can properly take on a track or street all the same, it seems to be able to do it all quite well so i have to agree with the 919 hornet being a jack of all trades much like the cb.
My experience in the UK was that the Suzuki Bandit and the Ducati Monster were the most influential. The GSXR1100 without fairings was still the icon of the 'streetfighter' even after manufacturers recognition.
Manufacturers - if you aren't going to put a usable passenger seat on your hypernakeds / super sports just skip the passenger pegs and maybe give us some discreet hooks for mounting tailbags instead.
I owned a 98 Honda 750 NightHawlk. That was a lot of fun. But was not my ideal at the time. Coming from 750 Shadows. Own a 98 Valkyrie now. But almost snatched up a 919. The Valk was what I wanted as a teen. Kinda committed to riding into the ground.
Love my 2021 MT-09 SP. It really is the best of both worlds. Can cruise down the road in 4th gear at 35 MPH running like 2500 RPMs or I can get on it and be doing 60 plus in first gear at 8-10 k RPMs.
Aside from the Aprilia not being naked, what one is actually better for the "naked" niche...a sport bike without the plastic and better ergos? I agree, the Aprilia is more to the Super Sport than the "traditional" naked...that's why we love bikes, so much choice and diversity!
I think chilled nakeds need to exist, if nothing else than for people like me. I am not a very fast rider, been riding for over 15 years now and I've learned that I just basically want to kick back and enjoy being on two wheels. I have a first gen SV650 that was my first bike, and after all these years she's still enough to satisfy me 90% of the time. I want basically that but with modern tech and conveniences but I don't need or even want a bike making 150 plus hp. Not my thing. I also don't care for cruisers and I feel like my choices to satisfy this need are fewer and fewer by the day.
Please do a segment on a 1991-1993 Suzuki GSX1100g..They were huge, comfortable and fast as hell. I think that they were the first true naked bike with a super sport engine.
I don’t use the word naked. If you can see the whole engine, (Triumph Bonnie / Royal Enfield Interceptor) it’s a traditional motorcycle. Just take a good look at any big or midsize Japanese bike built from the early 70s to mid / late 80s. Their looks are timeless.
About holding value - used MT09s are almost worth their original value, even first gen are only 2 to 3 g less - people are figuring out that if not squided - it could last forever - lol
Amazing video I was waiting someone to shoot, the handle bar position is incredible, amazing guys. First true naked yamaha was the FZS600 Fazer form 1998, even the ads advertized it as the best streetfighter of the market. After that, euro emition regulation killed it and FZ6 came on its way.
I love the concept of powernakeds! I have a BMW R1200R, that’s still truly naked but a powerful engine. The Tuono in the video looks nearly identical to the BMW S1000R. BMW lists it as naked as well but let’s be honest, it’s a full blown sport bike.
BMW was already making a naked version of the K bikes in the late 80s (K75C). Sometimes it seems you guys only focus of british cycles in the 60s/70s and after that its all 2000's and newer... A LOT of innovation took place in the 80s and 90s, dont forget how we got to where we are today.
My thought work on riding days: Some of us really do want basic bikes to ride on nice days, or commute with. If I want to go fast, I'll hop on the R1, if I want to cruise with power, I grab the VTX1800, if I want a simple but fun commute...hmm, I need a bike, and I still capable, but I want something that isn't my R1, or cruiser, so I'd rather have a basic bike or a standard naked, no frills, a familiar but slightly relaxed ride position, a bike that does stuff well, but has more a jack of all trades, master of none attitude. I don't need everyone looking at me, and I don't want to attract cops with bright paint...I have to agree, Honda had it right ^^
I moved up from an XSR700 to the XSR900 and holy shit what a power difference lol. Only problem is the 900 begs you to WOT all the time and break speed limits so much 😂. Only reason I didn't get an MT10 is because insurance difference was massive.
@@ganuvien yeah, there are a lot of 700 riders that dog the 900 for aesthetics, I guess because they have never heard of modding before, and oh my god are they missing out on probably the most fun on two wheels that I have ever had.
@@That1J1 Yeah, every thing about the 900 is better imo, ecu flash helped smooth out throttle although A mode is still snatchy, std is smoothed out solidly. Adjustable stock suspension is definitely way better than 700. The bike just looks so sexy and aggressive, only eyesore to me is the headlight obviously.
Good idea staggering the bikes and walking forward to see each as you talked about progression, that was sweet. This all makes sense because sport bikes are cool but as soon as the novelty of a focused performance bike on the street wore off people quickly realised that riding on the street with a race replica was UN-comfortable. Good job you guys.
Great episode. i just passed my MSF course today and am now officially licensed. i think when i move up to a bigger bike, its gonna be a naked bike. Im really leaning towards the older Suzuki Bandits. they are rad as hell.
If you think that the Honda 919 was Honda's first naked or standard bike... There are those of us who remember the late 1980s CB1 400cc I-4 and the RC31 NT650 Honda Hawk GT 650cc V-twin, and their classic british bike clone, the GB500, well before John Blood rebooted the modern Triumph brand in the 1990s. I had one of those Honda Hawk GT bikes, and still remember it fondly, and it pre-dated both the Ducati Monster and the SV650, and had aluminum spar frame, aluminum single-sided swing arm, and other street-adapted aspects of the RC30 race bike... but the Honda Hurricane CBR600F was less expensive and more popular, well before the 599/Honda Hornet. Another Honda half-faired near-naked bike was the RC51-related VTR1000 Super Hawk, along with the TL1000S Suzuki, which pre-dated the SV1000-S. And who can forget Suzuki's Bandit line, from 400cc up to 1100cc inline 4 cylinders
Ive had a lot of bikes from hayabusa to a cbr1000RR and i agree. ZRX1200 was the most fun ive had on two wheels. The riding position and power band was stupid fun, but i never looked down saw that i was going 160 in a 55...
That 50th anniversary red looks awesome ! The only thing that stops me from getting that is how damn tall that tail is, they drop it 3 inches - I’m in.
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I am very pleased with my Kawa Z900SE!!! Last weekend I went to a ride and it's too much fun!!! And fast!! And cool!!! And gorgeous!!! And glorious!!! Oh yeah!
Just a FYI. A superduke has the same forward lean as that 919 but less bend at the knees and hip. Out of the current crop of super nakeds it’s still the only one you can ride all day long day after day. Unless you’re under-tall..
Last year, Honda released some concept art of a new Hornet, suggesting that we may see it return in the next few years. I don't know, because it looks like the global economy is circling the drain again like in '08. The Hornet concept art looks a little more angular than the older ones, but the familiar shape is still there. I always liked the older CB series bikes, so I'd love to see Honda bring it back if they can.
Here in the UK the 919 was just called the 900 Hornet. I have the CB600FS which has a cockpit fairing, which means it's good for 150+ mph. I have done 162 mph on it once, and it was scary as hell, lol. Do you guys know guys know that the Hornet had it's own race series? I race everything on my bike it has all the power and aggression I could ever need.
90s started it the Honda cb1 400 cb100r the kawi zrx Eddie Lawson replica so many bikes yes we date ourselves by what bikes we talk about because of the bikes we wanted when we were young ie i would rather have the super blackbird than a busa or a vfr 1000 than a busa but that is what makes bikes great
My first bike was a CB250 street bike, my second bike was an RD250 Naked (because it had been dropped lots). That was in 1993. The fairing on the Tuono is what we called a half fairing, you could chop the fibreglass down on the dropped bike to offer some wind protection without paying 3K to replace it. We also had quarter fairings when all that was left was the cowling and windshield. I do kind of laugh when people talk about "naked" bikes. I always thought it indicated uninsured and broke.
You guys hit on a good point in relation to the CB1000R. I decided on a CB1000R because it is imho the perfect combo of a very refined and reliable STREET oriented bike with more than enough performance/power and handling to push the capability of us mere mortals. I can cruise around town in perfect comfort and still have a blast on twisty country roads. I really couldn't care less that it doesn't crack 200HP and I truly feel sorry for those who are slaves to the spec sheet. If I had a dollar for every person I've known that bought an over the top sport bike because of the "cool" factor and ended up riding 300 miles a year, I'd be a rich man. To each his own, but I'd suggest to all that you'll end up much happier buying a bike that you enjoy riding vs. buying a bike for some sort of ego boost or meeting some arbitrary spec level.
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I think the Aprilia has too much plastic to be classified as a naked bike. That's just my opinion. To me it most definitely looks like a super sport. It's basically fully faired. I love the look of the Hornet. You can call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day it is what it is. Everyone has there own style if you will. What is the most beautiful bike to one person may be another person's least favorite.
i agree, a naked bike should acctually be naked.
Yeah, you might as well purchase the real deal sport bike rather than half ass it with the Tuono.
The outdated design of aprillias frame is one of the reasons is just doest look good compared to others. That mid frame… its the same on some bikes starting from about 1985..
The Aprilia is more like a sport bike, not a super sport or naked. Partial fairings
The Aprilia is hot dog shit lol
Just to throw down a couple of pennies. I dig this style of content it's like the yamcast but scripted and flows much better. Keep it up
Agreed GREAT WATCH ! 🤙🏻
I like it when the editors put the motorcycles that we're talking about up on screen. That is so greatly fucking appreciated
I ride MTB ( besides motorcycles ). One thing I can point out about wider handlebars is that you have much much more control on the angle / direction of a turn you make.
Same thing has been happening in the MTB industry. Now handlebars are with 35% wider that in 2000
I remember chopping the ends off my bmx in 1999 to make them narrower by 15mm roughly each side.
I really should have thought ahead and taken less off to begin with to see how it would ride instead of how it looked
Yeah i had a late 90s rockhopper and the bars were very narrow now i have a NS eccentric and the bars feel damn near 3 feet wide
Idk but I ain’t complaining one of them will probably be my first street bike been riding dirt bike since I was 1 1/2, 19 years baby.
see you in heaven bro
I just got MT07 as my first bike and have barely ridden dirt bike/atv
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If you've ridden dirt bikes then naked bikes feel right at home for you. I just got a duke 390 as my first street bike, and my previous dirt bike was a yz125. Different power band but it feels so comfortable and easy to use.
I rode XR & CR80's when I was a kid back in the late 80s early 90s. Used to pillion on my dads xj900. Got my bike licence 5 years ago and am a bit big for it but super comfy bars on my CB500F. still a bit narrow so I ride with my pinkies off the bar ends. Am looking at a 900 hornet when I get my opens, might put a set of 500f bars on it. Enjoy your duke 👍
Nice work guys. Much better than the endless top 10s. Question though. If all forks are now upside down, doesn't that really make them right side up?
On the upside down forks no they're still upside down. Think about it like a cup with fork oil. Upside down forks better have awesome seals or it will lose all of its oil immediately because its upside down.
You're calling the Hornet old school... I'm crying in my beer. Damn I'm 41 an feeling really old 😅
I have ridden super sport 600's for 30 years, had 6 of them and still have 1. I switched 4 years ago to a super naked 1000 and I love it. I'll never go back to a 600 sport bike. Nakeds are so much more comfortable (I've had a bad back for most of my life) and I like the handling better too. I'm not looking for 160mph top end any more, I like the 0-100 in 4.8 sec. hooligan style riding now....you guys can have that top end stuff.
it's fine, just give it a shot of nitrous to get past that 165ish barrier with nakeds.
Z900rs. Please. Give it some love. A comparison with the hornet. Please. Please?
Absolutely
You failed to mention the 88-92 Honda Hawk NT650 GT!! It pre-dated the Monster by almost 5 years and was a major inspiration for Ducati.
Agreed. Owned one, loved it. Honda didn't love it, SV650 and Ducati Monster came after and basically ate Honda's lunch in that segment afterward. Honda CB1, VF500, Suzuki Bandit 400, and I am sure there are others from the mid to late 1980s.
My last bike a CCM644 Supermoto. But 14 years ago it was decided that we needed a new kitchen instead. Now I have just bought a 2002 CB900F Hornet and it is so good to be back in the saddle. The Hornet is such a great user friendly machine that you can go for a long ride or just pop to the shop on and it is happy in almost any environment. After 14 years away from owning a motorcycle I felt at home straight away on the Hornet. I thought I would buy something old and cheap for the first year and then upgrade but I really don't see what I could upgrade to that would be better for my needs that the 900 Hornet!
2 things I wanted to add, the term street fighter were also know as "hooligan" bike over in Europe. That and the original superduke came out in 2005 as a 990, though yes you are correct about the 1290 coming out in 2014. Fully have to aggree suzuki release the b-king at the wrong time and I am truly surprised they haven't designed a new version to compete with the current super nakeds because the naked 1000 they have is quite a slouch compared to the rest. Great video keep up the good work.
130-150hp is the sweet spot for a naked bike imho assuming it's a large displacement 900cc or over. Those engines are capable of so much more than that wich is why it's the bulletproof zone... When you take a 200 horsepower engine and just make it reliably put out a 145 horsepower and up the torque you have Absolutely reliable fun bike to ride that you will never need to worry about outside of routine maintenance. I honestly thought that 130-150hp is the sweet spot for the most fun on road on a naked bike. If I was in the market for a bike I'd be taking a hard look at the Honda CB1000-R Black Edition. That is suchba sweet bike that is probably going to last forever. And I'm willing to bet it's super easy to work on like oil changes etc.
I’m torn between that bike and the duc monster..
@@AlexanderHonsVonEber well theybare both sweet it would really come down to your engine preferences. I like the 4 cylinder in the Honda personally but lots like the V2 in the Duc. That would really be the deciding factor for me personally. Do you prefer an inline-4(Honda)or a V-twin(Ducati)?
I bought a GSXS when I was looking for a sport bike. You can’t beat the prices on the naked bikes, plus they’re more comfortable and road friendly whilst still retaining the speed factor.
The super duke was the first nothing. ....yall forgot about the 1098 streetfighter?!
When it comes to talking about naked street fighters I'm always amazed how the goliath K1200/1300R bikes from BMW go completely unmentioned. Like, completely under the radar of almost every discussion. Discontinued in 2015 but what absolute beasts they were!
Out of context, if anyone hears of naked street fighters, it isn't good news. Imagine representing those defendants in court
I still have an 06 K1200R and it's an absolute BLAST to ride. Hope I never get rid of it.
I loved my K12R, one of my favorites that I've owned.
K1200R-Sport with the half fairing, 2007 only, IIRC, is one of my short list bikes... along with R1100S.
This is just a conversation, which would have taken work to script of course. My comment is this. The volume of quality content on this channel is astounding. Thanks so much for covering the world of road bikes so comprehensively. Very much appreciated
I have a 93 gsf400 and I am glad the older bikes are so easy to work on, if anything breaks I can take the whole engine out in 2 hours lol
Also I really enjoy pumping it to 12k rpm but it is still very comfortable for cruising
What we really want is the MT10 but with a fixed fairing like the FZ1 for wind protection 👀.
Puig touring screen does a pretty good job of that
My 996 Superhawk has been enhanced a little. It's more on par with the 919 but with more torque. It came with a half fairing as well. Cool Video!
The B-King is so cool, Suzuki needs to bring it back. They brought back de Katana so i want a new B-King!
I have had my fz6 for 6 years now and I love it! It’s definitely chill to ride, I can ride it all day and then still have fun in the mountains
I bought a CB650R after watching your content and I think it is crazy to think now that a 12000rpm reving 4 in-line making 93hp is constantly "dull". Maybe it is and maybe that's why I love it so much, chill when I want it to be and super fast when I rev up, best of both world.
I’ve the Evo since last March and she’s got two identities, you can chill out if you want but you always perceive what lurks under the surface and, when you want it to come out, it’s a blast. But that requires a lot of self control ✌️
I just picked up a 08 Yamaha fz1 it puts down 150 HP and is now dubbed the old man r1 all the power and way more comfy. Ps love the channel and content. Keep it coming
I have a 2015 (air cooled) Bonneville and a Monster 821 and I couldn't agree more. I've switched between them and I was still trying to put words to the difference. The bars are different. The power delivery on the Monster borders on angry, while the Bonneville just chills.
Great content! Would actually love a comparison of the Tenere 700 to an MT-07 too, to show how ADV bikes evolved from nakeds with dirt tires and suspension to what they are now
The Ducati Monster is still the most beautiful naked bike in existence IMO. I first saw one in around 2007, and it’s lived in my mind rent free since then.
oh man that helmet ad was legendary. stuff like that is what keeps me coming back for more.
-Talking about old naked bikes
-no mention of the Suzuki Bandit 600/1200
I am disappointed, but not really because killer vid as always
The only complaint that I had with my 599 Hornet was indeed the handlebar’s. They were a little too narrow, and maybe it’s just me, but I feel like it a put a lot of unnecessary pressure on the wrists. Aside from that though, it was a fantastic bike and I never felt the need to “upgrade “ to the 919. Not to mention the 599 just had such a distinct sound and feel that the newer bikes just don’t have.
your comparison Tuono has a SEAT COVER - you don't sit on it. A separate Seat is provided when you buy it
I'd been riding for probably about 13 years already when in 1980 the first Katana hit the streets. To me that's the very first bike that falls into the class of bike you're talking about.
I'm thinking 1988 GSX1100F (the year mine is) may be the first year of the sport touring version. In my opinion if you have a fast bike, at least some sort of fairing is nice.
As someone who started on a 98 katana 750, really got lucky to find my favorite style of bike first. Sport touring, windscreen, with all the torque you could ever want. Fell in love with the sport touring and its just fun as heck
Maybe they didn't include it because it has that small front fairing? But the monster definitely wasn't the first stock street fighter. Honda nt650 hawk was built in 88
You guys keep talking about the "Choke" on the 919, Busa, etc.. It's nice to see that you realise they're actually high idle adjusters but you still seem to think they're pointless. Trust me, on a true cold start (ie: Not in Texas), they are very necessary. In the early days, they were manual levers. The levers disappeared and the ECU/actuators eventually took over. Now, throttles are fully electronically controlled but still, during a cold start, they're doing the same thing those levers did to keep the bike from stumbling and stalling until it warms up.
Had my xjr1300 for about 8years, and I still love it. Best choice for taller riders in terms of riding position and still great for going fast and chill at the same heh.
Nakeds are a new breed now 🤗
Sounds like you boys love your 919 as much as I live mine. Being over 40 now, she's still fun and quick but won't kill my back.
New to the world of motorcycling and really appreciate the lessons learned from your content.
I actually watched the YamWow ad without skipping. Quality stuff lol
Don't forget, the 2014 EBR 1190sx, 185hp 102 ft lbs of torque and an excellent chassis.
Have a 21 Tuono Factory, love it amazing machine, but you do need to know how to ride to be able to unleash the power, such fun!!
It all started with the Borile 500 in 1999 and going into limited production in 2007
It started the trend of modern tech with old 60's theme bike with insane power to weight ratios.
Followed by the Guzzi Griso
My 06 K1200R might be the most viciously fast machine in 3 counties. Love it every day.
The mt07 sells for a reason
Wouldn't the 88 Honda Hawk gt be considered the first naked bike?
It had an all aluminum sub frame. That allowed the v twin be hung instead of sitting in frame?
Exactly. They missed perhaps the most important early naked.
The Yamwow ad was perfect. Gonna need many more of these.
It's about time!
Full power not only for plastic covered motorcycles.
I ride a ZH2, uncorked, intercooled.
I lost a 2006 919 (backed over by a dump truck in a parking lot) and it still makes me sad when I think about it that was the best around town bike I have ever owned it was just flawless.
Brutal.
Something that wasn’t really mentioned. Naked bikes are great for those of us getting a little bit older. I’m 40. Came from riding dirt bikes and I don’t like the super low cruiser seating position, but naked bikes are a lot more comfortable than sport bikes or me. Less weight on your wrists, less stress on your back.but also they are easier for me to get my leg over than tall dual sports and adventure bikes
Much better than endless top 10 videos, Amazing video
All we ever wanted was a big Japanese 4 banger with a ton of torque for the street! And they finally made them. I own a GSX-S1000 myself and a CBR300R!!
I started on a Honda 919 back around 2004 or so. So much fun. I thought I wanted a CBR or other sportbike but after sitting on them the 919 grew on me. Just bought my 2nd Honda a NC700X and glad to have a Honda again. Detuned motor with more low range torque and lower RPM. My good friend still owns my first ride and still looks great and hasn't lost any style points compared to the same year sportbikes that just look super dated.
i had the yamaha fz8 and that was a chill bike and then i upgaded to the 2020 mt-09. what a difference. the mt-09 rips!
getting my motorcycle license soon and have been learning a lot from yammie, most importantly the word “svelte”
Love that Thruxton. Standard motorcycles are my favorites.
i have a cb650r and i love that bike i really feel like it can be chill it can rip and can properly take on a track or street all the same, it seems to be able to do it all quite well so i have to agree with the 919 hornet being a jack of all trades much like the cb.
Great video lads. Im a proper Noob fan these days. You definitely deserve youre success, and you obviously put the work in.....Great entertainment.
honda cb400 super 4 is a classic too with the sweet vtec system. something you can't find in newer naked bikes
My experience in the UK was that the Suzuki Bandit and the Ducati Monster were the most influential. The GSXR1100 without fairings was still the icon of the 'streetfighter' even after manufacturers recognition.
Manufacturers - if you aren't going to put a usable passenger seat on your hypernakeds / super sports just skip the passenger pegs and maybe give us some discreet hooks for mounting tailbags instead.
I owned a 98 Honda 750 NightHawlk. That was a lot of fun. But was not my ideal at the time. Coming from 750 Shadows.
Own a 98 Valkyrie now. But almost snatched up a 919. The Valk was what I wanted as a teen. Kinda committed to riding into the ground.
I liked how you did the ad break. Very entertaining. Keep it up.
Love my 2021 MT-09 SP. It really is the best of both worlds. Can cruise down the road in 4th gear at 35 MPH running like 2500 RPMs or I can get on it and be doing 60 plus in first gear at 8-10 k RPMs.
No one wants to mention the Buells? Some of the most innovative street fighter/nakeds of their time?
Aside from the Aprilia not being naked, what one is actually better for the "naked" niche...a sport bike without the plastic and better ergos? I agree, the Aprilia is more to the Super Sport than the "traditional" naked...that's why we love bikes, so much choice and diversity!
I think chilled nakeds need to exist, if nothing else than for people like me. I am not a very fast rider, been riding for over 15 years now and I've learned that I just basically want to kick back and enjoy being on two wheels. I have a first gen SV650 that was my first bike, and after all these years she's still enough to satisfy me 90% of the time. I want basically that but with modern tech and conveniences but I don't need or even want a bike making 150 plus hp. Not my thing. I also don't care for cruisers and I feel like my choices to satisfy this need are fewer and fewer by the day.
Please do a segment on a 1991-1993 Suzuki GSX1100g..They were huge, comfortable and fast as hell. I think that they were the first true naked bike with a super sport engine.
can you explain to me how a bike with fairings (even small ones) is a "naked?"
they are front fairings, the engine section is pretty much naked
Nah dude. If it still has its underwear and a bra on, it’s not naked.
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I don’t use the word naked. If you can see the whole engine, (Triumph Bonnie / Royal Enfield Interceptor) it’s a traditional motorcycle. Just take a good look at any big or midsize Japanese bike built from the early 70s to mid / late 80s. Their looks are timeless.
About holding value - used MT09s are almost worth their original value, even first gen are only 2 to 3 g less - people are figuring out that if not squided - it could last forever - lol
Amazing video I was waiting someone to shoot, the handle bar position is incredible, amazing guys.
First true naked yamaha was the FZS600 Fazer form 1998, even the ads advertized it as the best streetfighter of the market. After that, euro emition regulation killed it and FZ6 came on its way.
I love the concept of powernakeds! I have a BMW R1200R, that’s still truly naked but a powerful engine. The Tuono in the video looks nearly identical to the BMW S1000R. BMW lists it as naked as well but let’s be honest, it’s a full blown sport bike.
I still remember getting my 2006 hornet back in 2008 for only six grand. One of the mechanics said” I see you’re getting a real world bike”.
I recently purchased an MT-09 SP after 3 decades of riding R1s...I'm almost scared of it, but it's fun
BMW was already making a naked version of the K bikes in the late 80s (K75C). Sometimes it seems you guys only focus of british cycles in the 60s/70s and after that its all 2000's and newer... A LOT of innovation took place in the 80s and 90s, dont forget how we got to where we are today.
My thought work on riding days: Some of us really do want basic bikes to ride on nice days, or commute with. If I want to go fast, I'll hop on the R1, if I want to cruise with power, I grab the VTX1800, if I want a simple but fun commute...hmm, I need a bike, and I still capable, but I want something that isn't my R1, or cruiser, so I'd rather have a basic bike or a standard naked, no frills, a familiar but slightly relaxed ride position, a bike that does stuff well, but has more a jack of all trades, master of none attitude. I don't need everyone looking at me, and I don't want to attract cops with bright paint...I have to agree, Honda had it right ^^
Naked homies unite! Power of XSR900, YEEEET!
I moved up from an XSR700 to the XSR900 and holy shit what a power difference lol. Only problem is the 900 begs you to WOT all the time and break speed limits so much 😂. Only reason I didn't get an MT10 is because insurance difference was massive.
@@ganuvien yeah, there are a lot of 700 riders that dog the 900 for aesthetics, I guess because they have never heard of modding before, and oh my god are they missing out on probably the most fun on two wheels that I have ever had.
@@That1J1 Yeah, every thing about the 900 is better imo, ecu flash helped smooth out throttle although A mode is still snatchy, std is smoothed out solidly. Adjustable stock suspension is definitely way better than 700. The bike just looks so sexy and aggressive, only eyesore to me is the headlight obviously.
Good idea staggering the bikes and walking forward to see each as you talked about progression, that was sweet. This all makes sense because sport bikes are cool but as soon as the novelty of a focused performance bike on the street wore off people quickly realised that riding on the street with a race replica was UN-comfortable. Good job you guys.
Great episode. i just passed my MSF course today and am now officially licensed. i think when i move up to a bigger bike, its gonna be a naked bike. Im really leaning towards the older Suzuki Bandits. they are rad as hell.
If you think that the Honda 919 was Honda's first naked or standard bike... There are those of us who remember the late 1980s CB1 400cc I-4 and the RC31 NT650 Honda Hawk GT 650cc V-twin, and their classic british bike clone, the GB500, well before John Blood rebooted the modern Triumph brand in the 1990s. I had one of those Honda Hawk GT bikes, and still remember it fondly, and it pre-dated both the Ducati Monster and the SV650, and had aluminum spar frame, aluminum single-sided swing arm, and other street-adapted aspects of the RC30 race bike... but the Honda Hurricane CBR600F was less expensive and more popular, well before the 599/Honda Hornet. Another Honda half-faired near-naked bike was the RC51-related VTR1000 Super Hawk, along with the TL1000S Suzuki, which pre-dated the SV1000-S. And who can forget Suzuki's Bandit line, from 400cc up to 1100cc inline 4 cylinders
Ive had a lot of bikes from hayabusa to a cbr1000RR and i agree. ZRX1200 was the most fun ive had on two wheels. The riding position and power band was stupid fun, but i never looked down saw that i was going 160 in a 55...
Picking up the 50th anniversary z900 this month. "Can't wait."--Bart Scott
That 50th anniversary red looks awesome ! The only thing that stops me from getting that is how damn tall that tail is, they drop it 3 inches - I’m in.
I am very pleased with my Kawa Z900SE!!! Last weekend I went to a ride and it's too much fun!!! And fast!! And cool!!! And gorgeous!!! And glorious!!! Oh yeah!
Just a FYI. A superduke has the same forward lean as that 919 but less bend at the knees and hip. Out of the current crop of super nakeds it’s still the only one you can ride all day long day after day. Unless you’re under-tall..
Last year, Honda released some concept art of a new Hornet, suggesting that we may see it return in the next few years. I don't know, because it looks like the global economy is circling the drain again like in '08. The Hornet concept art looks a little more angular than the older ones, but the familiar shape is still there. I always liked the older CB series bikes, so I'd love to see Honda bring it back if they can.
Here in the UK the 919 was just called the 900 Hornet. I have the CB600FS which has a cockpit fairing, which means it's good for 150+ mph. I have done 162 mph on it once, and it was scary as hell, lol. Do you guys know guys know that the Hornet had it's own race series? I race everything on my bike it has all the power and aggression I could ever need.
Been riding nekked since the late 80s. With a CBR900RR in the mid 90s. On a Tuono 660 now.
90s started it the Honda cb1 400 cb100r the kawi zrx Eddie Lawson replica so many bikes yes we date ourselves by what bikes we talk about because of the bikes we wanted when we were young ie i would rather have the super blackbird than a busa or a vfr 1000 than a busa but that is what makes bikes great
I loved the Kawasaki ZREX1200, now on a MT10...,. Very different and love the EMPTY 10🔥
This was my favorite ending to any video you all have done. Also, my '01 naked Bandit 1200 concurs with your analysis of early naked bikes lol
Was Buell just ahead of its time. I wonder what would have happened if they had come out 10 or 20yrs later
My first bike was a CB250 street bike, my second bike was an RD250 Naked (because it had been dropped lots). That was in 1993. The fairing on the Tuono is what we called a half fairing, you could chop the fibreglass down on the dropped bike to offer some wind protection without paying 3K to replace it. We also had quarter fairings when all that was left was the cowling and windshield. I do kind of laugh when people talk about "naked" bikes. I always thought it indicated uninsured and broke.
I’m Canadian, those “street fighters” were the business bikes of our 1%red in my youth
i love my naked mk2 bandit 1200 , best bike and all i ever will need, except for snow
as an owner of a cb 1000 r sc 80 I am super proud of my boy even though papa yamm dissed it ⛔⛔⛔⛔
love my 2016 cb1000r. amazing acceleration and handling.
Wow, just came to check back in on you, been following you since the very beginning, glad you've found such success 👍
Yeah, these new nakeds ...crazy. hey - have you guys reached out to ARCH yet to demo/give away the KRGT-1???
I really love the shamwow inspired ad bits. lol Good stuff guys.
Love the Shamwow commercial
You guys hit on a good point in relation to the CB1000R. I decided on a CB1000R because it is imho the perfect combo of a very refined and reliable STREET oriented bike with more than enough performance/power and handling to push the capability of us mere mortals. I can cruise around town in perfect comfort and still have a blast on twisty country roads. I really couldn't care less that it doesn't crack 200HP and I truly feel sorry for those who are slaves to the spec sheet. If I had a dollar for every person I've known that bought an over the top sport bike because of the "cool" factor and ended up riding 300 miles a year, I'd be a rich man. To each his own, but I'd suggest to all that you'll end up much happier buying a bike that you enjoy riding vs. buying a bike for some sort of ego boost or meeting some arbitrary spec level.
Honda released a factory CB11X from memory in England in the late 90's/early 00's that was a naked blackbird.
MT-01 best naked out there. Nothing beats it in originality, character, looks and torque.