Audi RS3 vs BMW M2 Competition vs Camaro SS 1LE - Is There An Answer?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2018
- SO many of you asked for this, so here it is! James and Thomas test the 2018 Audi RS3 against the 2019 BMW M2 Competition, and the Camaro SS 1LE.... Which one is the most fun? And which one is the best to live with....
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Subscribe to Throttle House, and MAYBE we can make this comparison a full track test. ;) Now leave a comment and tell us which one you would choose! By the way, James STILL hasn't decided which one he would buy.... THANKS FOR WATCHING
I subbed just for the full track test. You must a track test NOW
We are doing what we can to make that happen. It’s no small task. But my fingers are crossed with yours.
That would be amazing. I love your videos. I would coose the BMW M2. Thomas you like the same cars as me. I want to do drive the car not the other way around. Currently i drive a BMW E30 with a 2.8 from a E36 as a daily with track suspension.^^
Wicked set up
thx, it's a Touring, so i can all my stuff in the trunk when i go to the track.
Thomas said, “The Camaro is a car that makes you want to be a driver!” That’s the perfect description of how I’ve felt since we bought our ZL1 2 years ago!
Nice Malibu
@@talkingmango8658found the clown ^🤡
Most fun car: M2
Daily: RS3
Best value: 1LE
1LE as a taco bell employee
Rs3. As a Costco manager
M2 as the Bank of America Manager.
juan cruz And your as ignorant as these blokes commentating. They hate, judge and as a whole try to turn car reviews into a British breeding map. In other words? It is nothing more than idiotic gas from two dolts that have no racing, competitive driving skills or talent. And have a serious infatuation with anything German regardless of how poor the reliability is. These two would swear a Lada is the greatest car of all time if it had a BMW badge on it.
M2 owner is a cheating spouse that uses to much colon and has little penis syndrome.
Rs3 owner is undecided with a MacDonalds menu and believes idiotic TH-cam guano.
1LE owner has an income that can afford these 3 and chooses the LE.
You are a resident at you local Jail or a Meth Head that needs a few grammar and spelling lessons.
Remember this is the same person who says this M2 was faster on a road course than a Shelby 350. Which was quicker around L.S. Than a Ferrari 458 Italia as tested by M.T. Do not take anything these two say as anything but a biased editorial.
RS3 for rainy climates. Absolutely demolish any 1000+ HP RWD car from one light to the next.
Can't stand RWD in rain, and my 16' M3 is on my channel.
Tired of being smoked by grandma in her Subaru wagon every time it rains.
@@jonathanbachman2339 I don't know about the rest of your response but if you're going to attack someone's spelling and grammar, you might want to have your own in check:
"juan cruz And your as ignorant" you're*
"M2 owner is a cheating spouse that uses to much colon and has little penis syndrome." too* much cologne*
"Rs3 owner is undecided with a MacDonalds menu" McDonalds*
"1LE owner has an income that can afford these 3 and chooses the LE." three*
I won't even bother pointing out the grammar issues.
@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt lol this comment made my day.
The humble beginnings of James & Thomas.
I bought a 2020 1LE and it’s simply amazing, rev match etc... so much fun!
M2 before raising a family.
RS3 to scare the kids.
Camaro when the kids have moved out.
bongmist precisely
*M2* for raising a family.
*M2* to scare the kids.
*M2* when the kids have moved out.
K9 JSB lol how does it scare the kids if RS3 sounds better
Neo Ramaphoko *Powersliding, Drifting, Donuts, Burnouts !*
Tell me how the RS3 will scare them again?
K9 JSB you still not answering my question “MR BMW Fan”
"Except it's not a bar. It's a hotel lobby. And there is no jukebox and he's been asked to leave twice." 👌🏼
That one muscle at every JDM meet
Guilty.
He actually says “ It’s been asked to leave twice” I think he meant to say they’ve been asked to leave twice. Nothing says it’s not a woman, or trans, or whoever else feels underrepresented 😂
Being German - and kind of biased :) - I'll take the Camaro SS 1LE without even the slightest thought about it.
It's a glorious V8. It's pretty rare over here. It's naturally asperated. It doesn't need any weird sound composer. It's a bargain - and actually way better assembled than most of the (automobile) world thinks it is. And...it comes with a manual stick shift and not a DCT (they'll all get pretty damn bad over the time).
Actually, why not getting the ZL1 for the other buddies' stickers, still saving a lot of grands and enjoying every drop of gas even more?!
enjoying every drop of gas? Surely not! I have two V8s here in Colorado and right now I only drive my E46 because the others will pass anything... (ahem), but a gas station.
There's no doubt the ZL1 is the track monster. I had a '67 RS SS350 Camaro (modified) and (with the front sheet metal missing (only subframe, small block V8 and the radiator), it would pull the front wheels off the ground. An absolute riot!
Don’t forget the 1le comes with lightweight forged wheels, electronic differential, rev match, no lift shift, magnetic ride suspension, heads up display, 6 piston brembos in the front and 4 piston in the rear. It is designed to be a factory track weapon. They also come with npp exhaust which sounds absolutely fantastic stock and can be quite when you need it. It’s definitely the best bang for buck sports car.
yeah GM sucks ass but they pull their act together when it comes to their flagship vehicles like the camaro and ram 1500
I've been binge watching your channel the past week.. The difference between the recent videos versus videos in the past, like this video for example, is a huge difference. You guys have improved in all departments. From your in-car commentary, video production budget, and how you guys present all the cars... You should give yourselves a pat in the back. Loving the humble beginnings!!
A year later, I’m also doing the same and i have a question for you, it this the first video in which james appears? Cause i can’t find him in any other videos before this
@Kawaii_Life. I agree
I think it's actually amazing how much they got right in this video. They basically nailed the formula right out of the gate and then have just been refining it for the past four years. (However, it is kind of funny how much more obvious Thomas' accent is in these early videos.)
@@apadvaith7424 close but no! This was James’s first video: th-cam.com/video/lnImgBx_Q-8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=U-Oisg0wLq_OCiAQ
@@seattleraf Bless sir, just started my search
WOOOOT! Just ordered my BMW M2 Competition in Blue with the black wheels, and OF COURSE, the manual transmission!! Now I just need to wait a few weeks.
Nice purchase. I am in love with that orange version though. Hoping to do a EU delivery either this or next April.
Congrats. Any dealer mark-up with that order?
Manual really? Manual is to attract high school girls and auto is to win races
Mr.Dhill manual may be slower but a manual is much more fun, you are more connected to the car
Driveitsideways 1 no driving with no power steering is connected to a car. I agree with u to A certain extent.
The 1LE is my pick for laying down track times, long term reliability and cool factor.
lmao you wish anything from your sentence was true
@@stx6671imagine you haven’t looked at what people are actually doing on track. The 1LE is fast.
Cool factor is debatable though. I like V8s but also like German RS / M.
@@stx6671the SS 1LE shits on both of these cars on track and from a reliability standpoint
@@stx6671 lmao you are about clueless kid
@@stx6671 exactly I also had the 1LE but my God no match with the M2C, M2c was just too nimble and too agile compare to a 1LE, Camaro is fast but its not nimble nor agile on the track
I had an ‘18 M2 and I now have an ‘18 SS 1LE. I felt classier in the M, but the Camaro is just more raw. I miss my M2 everyday, but the Camaro is just a ton of fun. Great video and I’m glad I found it. Cheers
The most relatable comment I could find, I sold my 2018 LT Camaro about 4 months ago with the intention of buying either a 2018 BMW M2 or a 2018 Camaro 1SS 1LE.
I ended up purchasing the 2018 M2.
@@AlexRYTgood choice either way
My answer was Audi RS3, but I like all those cars.
For me choosing between Audi and Camaro is like choosing between girlfriend and best friend, I got no clue no right or wrong decision, either way I ll love everything and still there ll be 1% of regret left
We all know the Camaro is like the friendly girl in town.
No matter what you do, you’ll always wonder, What if......
something rcr would say
3 Fingers...across BOTH hands
two in the pink one in the stink
@@FragEightyfive Bruh. 🙏⚰️
1LE has become my favorite car. Meanest looking, best sounding (I realize is subjective), and beats a lot of cars in its segment!
M2: If you’re single
RS3: girlfriend turned wife and kids in future
Camaro SS: Kids in college, impress the other dads
@Ben Daulton you're*
My wife convinced me to get the M2 Competition in Black as a manual ♥️
The Mufasa moment was BRILLIANT. Well done, artistry.
Excellent video. The m2 comp is amazing
"It's amazing how you did that without breaking the 60 km/h speed limit" had me rolling, you two are glorious - love this channel!
I love the “punch in your face” analogy for the Camero
3 really good cars. I really love the RS3, but I would still choose the Camaro
The 5 pot is truly a masterpiece. The M2 may have more soul, but it's hard to beat the RS as an all weather daily.
Driven both RS3 and M2. Damn the RS3 was really fast and actually comfortable in the back seat (I’m 6’5). But the M2 comes with a manual and you can make the rear end dance. Both are absolutely amazing, but I think I’d go with M2.
😂😂 Best intro to a car comparison ever
The 650hp supercharged zl1 camaro is still cheaper than the m2 and it would run circles around that thing. As a matter of fact, it ran one of the fastest ever times on the nurburgring, a 7:16. Think about that. The zl1 is a super car slayer.
Except you'll spend $1500 in tires every 2-3 track days, and the M2 Comp is less expensive pre-owned
@@Quebster cope
Lol 300m radius circles barely count
@@Quebsterthe M2 Comp is closer to V6 Camaro times than the SS 1LE if you go look up VIR (Lightning Lap) times. The ZL1 or ZL1 1LE *OBLITERATE* the M2. We are talking about the M2 Comp losing by just under 15 seconds per lap!!! The fastest BMW they’ve tested is the BMW CS, and it loses to the ZL1 and ZL1 1LE. The ZL1 1LE is 0.2 seconds behind the Ford GT and beats the McLaren 650S. It’s like we are comparing a propeller plane to a F18 if we compare the M2 to the ZLE.
@@talkingmango8658Bro your bio literally says "Going to demolish people on roblox". What are you 6? How about you grow up instead of making fun of cars you could never hope to own.
I love the RS3 so much, but my wallet could only afford the S3, so that's what I bought, and I'm happy.
Lol same here bro! Mines red!
yes, me too>I love the S3.
I wanted a TTRS but my wallet only allowed me to get a TTS. Next car will for sure be a TTRS though
I had an S3 before my RS3, honestly the S3 is super underrated. Near the limit (or tuned) the RS is obviously the superior car, but for most people's daily needs it's an excellent performer with great value that also responds well to mods.
Hope to be in your shoes soon selling my STI and buying an S3 soon.
I recently sold my M car for a new 1LE. When it comes to a driver’s car, the M2 can’t compare. The 1LE is a beast with good manners when needed. Maybe not the most practical but I have an old suv for that.
Really? There is no way any gm will be more of a drivers car than any German car. Just won't happen sorry. I've tested the 1le and own a M car. My e60 is atleast 8yrs older than the 1le I tested and still felt better. In everyway
@@niewissen9912 depends on how you define drivers car (usually doesn't mean comfort btw). Motor trend had a head to head video with a camaro and a m4. They said the maro is a way better drivers car. To each of their own I guess
@@niewissen9912 that e60 cant corner worth shit
It does have better sound tho
Agree. My parents have an M2 LCI manual with the M Performance Exhaust. I’ve driven it plenty. It’s just not that exciting IMO compared to something like an SS 1LE or Shelby GT350. I’ve driven both. Better sound, steering, manual gearboxes (love those Tremecs), and lower seating position. M2 wins in the daily and prestige categories. Drifting capabilities aside, fun factor goes to the Americans.
@@niewissen9912 it’s not just any GM car it’s a track purpose built car so yea it will feel pretty more special than a lot of german cars
My favorite line: "I'm a happy fish." While my heart would say M2 also, my wallet is looking at a 1LE right now.
peacems test drive both. SS 1LE isn’t THAT much less... worse daily driving but way more dramatic. Sounds amazing. Better suspension adjustment and chassis and way beefier transmission feel. Get the PDR too.
evanescent03 Thinking about m2, challenger scatpack (485hp) or a tuned 335i f30
Little money buys little fun more money buys more fun
I just got an M340. More useable daily. Still bloody fast.
@@evanescent0311 I gotta be honest, maybe it's like being in love but from my personal experience right now the camaro (2019 2SS) is NOT a bad daily driver at all. I don't know what these guys are talking about but the rearseats are everything but nOt UsAbLe. Apart from that you can do everything with it which u can do with the other ones, besides you ll always be the boss (in a good way, not in a "disrespecting the limits and driving like a twat" way). If u need to get something done, u will get it done, and if u re having a bad day you gonna sit down, ride it out for half an hour and you ll have the time of your life. I don't know if an M or RS can deliver that.
I think the 1le is the most worth it if we are talking about the price and performance.
And reliability
adrinz or if you have the money for the bmw or Audi. Just get a zl1
I think your right
I've come to a conclusion that it's the only thing Americans care: cheapness and horsepower.
@@betterbeavailable the correct way to say it is.. the only thing Americans care about. 👌 don't be mad
Have been watching a bunch of you guys' videos lately and this is definitely one of my favorites. Really love all 3 of these cars so a comparison video for them all together is so on point.
Just bought an M2C and after break in got a stage 1 tune got down pipes and high performance air intake and OMG ... Did a dyno on it after the work and it's at 502 at the wheels with 507 tq ... What a beast and the sound from exhaust is now amazing !!
Amazing video! This is exactly what I'm eternally searching for on TH-cam: something which gives drivers a good comparison between relatively attainable cars with unique personalities. I'm so sick of certain drivers car comparisons which pit Civics against Lamborghinis. Yes of course the $400,000 car provides a more rewarding experience. What a joke. Love the down to earth content and production quality. Keep it up!
Oh and my pick is the M2 Competition! Currently I drive a Stage 2 Golf R, yet despite what you said in the video, my desired next step is not the Audi. I crave more passion, more danger as you said. I love my R and it's a hell of a daily, but it's very clinical and I want more excitement.
what car show compares economy cars to super cars?
define attainable? 73% of ppl finance cars in the usa..
you should watch savagegeese
@@Lucidity108 More danger... you will certainly get that with BMW... not the kind of danger you imagine tho. More the kind "my transmission broke, bmw won't fix it because they think we are too cowardly to sue them".
The m2 and rs3 are amazing cars but there’s just something about the Camaro I love.
Well the SS 1LE offers *way* more performance than the two other cars.
You guys are a veritable riot. Sheer entertainment meets thorough reviews. This particular video is a classic. KEEP IT UP!!
I have a 17ss 1le and couldnt be happier with it! It's a brute but also refined and very accurate
Excellent review although real world the camaro ss 1LE would be my choice.
Lmao, that Camaro bar reference was awesome. Great comparison test guys!
These videos have come such a long way! You guys do such great work
You guys are awesome. It took me a bit of time to warm up to you but now I love your reviews.
It is really difficult to make a choice between those three heart warming Sportscars. For a all day use it depends where you live. I live in a mountainous region in the west of germany where the road conditions in winter sonetimes are ... exciting. So i would take the Audi because of the all wheel drive. Moreover the engine of the Audi cries to be tuned and reaches easily about 480-520HP at low costs without losing durability to much. Then you will get the punch and the drama that freezes your grin...
If i lived in a warm region without icy roads, hmmm ... the M2 is a hot Sportscar and its perfectly build, but the Camaro is the car i would choose as the ZL1 Version. It is pure looks fantastic and sounds brutally.
Btw - great video!!! ... and yes i am looking forward to the track test also!
A mountainous region in the west of germany? Lol. There's no such thing. For the least sort of mountains you have to go south. And even there you can easily live with a RWD-car in most regions for the most time of the year.. The only real mountains in Germany are the Alpes.. ;) And in most of Germany you don't get much snow at all. I'm living in the Berlin-area and we had zero snow this year. Nothing! However: Yes, AWD is a plus for the Audi, but like they said: it's SO boring! Personally, I would pick the M2 over the RS3 at any time. A few days of hard driving if it snows are a small price to pay for all that fun the M2 delivers on all the other days of the year.
@@BFD15i Lol ... you were absent in geography? Have you ever been to the Eifel? You have no idea. I live there and i also lived in the south of Bavaria for almost 20 years. The Eifel is definitley a mountainous region with snowy roads in winter and often wet conditions. I wrote that i would prefer the Audi for the ALL DAY USE in my region. And also for the often occurring wet conditions my first choice would be the AWD Audi without any doubt! The rest depends on what you like - you prefer the M2 for Berlin? Fine, it is a great car - buy one!
Rs3 because Germany has all types of terrain and the autobahn. Did I mention the US doesn’t have the manual or Sport version? Just a safe sedan 🚘 😞.
@@johnbreuwet6224 While not one of the comparison vehicles, if concern with the M2 Comp is its RWD platform, perhaps the M240 i Drive model is the better choice given its AWD capabilities and lesser cost as well? The brute force of the Camaro I'll admit I suspect is intoxicating and the lower price attractive...but the "gun slit" visibility makes it a non-starter for me...being only 5'6" .
Own 2019 2SS 11LE....Love it
Shawn Herrington what was the price out the door ?
@@Zerohearts0 I traded in a 2010 Camaro 1LT on the deal, high mileage....$56000 financed in house...I also negotiated 7 year bumper to bumper coverage and I had them rustproof the underside for road noise reduction benefits and the interior was scotchgard to protrect the alcantara. Deal of a lifetime, I could not pass it up...Im in BC Canada so Canadian dollars...I also had it wrapped in xpel ppf
I'm too poor, lol I had to buy a 2019 1SS, 😂
How's the trunk space? Honest question. They complained about it but that's the first I've ever heard.
@@iluvcakes19 Surprisingly small given the overall size of the car. I need to remove the driver from my golf bag before the bag will fit kitty-corner in the trunk. The driver will not fit in the trunk no matter how you position it, unless you fold the rear seats down. Plus the trunk opening is small, and many boxes or objects simply will not fit.
1LE sounds the best, a blast to drive and it’s the only one of the three that won’t be immediately totaled by minor repairs and maintenance costs when it’s out of warranty.
And the only one with portholes instead of windows.
Sounds like you’re poor. 😂
@@danielpark6031 You're completely of your rocker if you think it's better to drive than the M2 Comp! Sounds better I'll give it that, but that's it everything else is a downgrade reflected in price lol
@@danielpark6031 by the way its also slower 🤣 New RS3 would annihilate the Chevy now as well! 3.3 0 to 60!!
@@germanengineering204 audi are slowet than mercedes so what for bring their cars here lol
Love the videos. Some of the best comparisons! I'd buy the Camaro. Partly because I grew up with big V8s, and nothing beats the sound. Plus the money I'd save buys a lot of gas and tires😉 I do wish Ford made a comparable Mustang.
How does each feel in acceleration and overall power? I believe the RS3 is fastest to 60mph by a mile, but just curious how they all compare to each other.
I drive a BM and that sound gives me goose bumps. M2 for me all day everyday.
Ill take the 1LE.. spend 10k for some add on if you need the extra power and you would have still spent less. But I'm Bias lol love me a V8 man
My first domestic. I've always been a JDM kinda guy, but when I test drove the SS 1LE, I was mind blown.
You guys are too much fun!
Truly enjoy all your videos, you should have millions of followers.
Damn, this was entertaining. I guess I am stuck with my basic 2018 M2. Thanks for the great video.
Fantastic video! Love hearing perspective from both of your personalities which appreciate different things. I'm more of a rear wheel, manual guy as well but it's nice to understand why someone would go for a car like the RS3. Also, a request for some Porsche reviews!!! 😄
GT3 Manual review coming very soon! Keep an eye on the @TheThrottleHouse instagram
@@jamesengelsman3936 Droooool. Can't wait!! 🙌
Just lovely how you put the register plate on the side of the bumper, beautiful!
I love this channel and you guys make very good points. I love your reviews. You havr influenced me to buy my Type R. But for my money here out of these three, it would have to be the Camaro. And I'm saying that having never driven a new Camaro but having actually rented an M2 on Turo for a day.
By far your best show. Really good. Top gear minus the bs
Minus the bullshit.. What do you call that intro then ?
@@k9jsb224 Agree: that contrived intro made me rage.
K9 JSB Lol.
Jesus buddy
Why do I only have 3 fingers!? Dammit!😂 spot on review guys! Good job!
GERALD! JAMES. HE’S HERE!
Ive owned my 18' 1LE for 7 months now and the screen slant never bothered me. I honestly didnt even notice until watching reviews. The climate control dials are mehh... and it sucks there is no cd player at times but cds are becoming obsolete with technology. I like using the android auto but a must for this is buying a phone mount because there is nowhere to place your phone otherwise. The armrest storage is less than accessible from a seated position but i do like that the cup holders are out of the way of the shifter. Making the arm rest itself functional while shifting with a water bottle in the cup holder.
M2 for sure. I own a 18 M240i and it's the best car I've ever owned. Very easy to tweak and get more power and performance and very reliable too.
first time hearing reliable in the same sentence as a BMW M car lol
@@hassanshzd63 b58 engine
Not reliable, Ive already had 3 m2's come in last year to my shop for engine problems, 2 of them were for the oil leaks, and one was for a coolant issue. m2's are nice cars but not reliable compared to majority.
@@gr8cylindergr8t82 glad I got an M240i. Been as reliable as a Lexus.
@@Audioholics Lexus are bascially toyotas so yes they are usualy reliable, not bmws. I work at an auto shop and trust me they are shit for reliability. They dont have that reputation for nothing.
You guys do some great videos. Really disappointed you didn’t get these 3 out on the track, using the same driver. Make it happen. 😉
I bought a Golf R and I'm very happy and satisfied of that AWD since we have rough winters where I live but wow this RS3 made me weak in the knees *drool*
M2 Competition for me 🔥
Great job and honest review.
didn't think a comparison like this would ever happen but y'all brought it! audi prob out as option because no manual. test drove the 1le and it felt like the best toy ever. bought a 2017 m2 with dct then they brought the m2 comp. not fair!
Awesome video! First time I’ve seen a video from you guys, definitely liked it :) I currently own a 2016 Camaro SS but looking to buy a TT RS in the near future as a stable mate. So seeing this video was definitely cool to see. I usually love BMW but Audi has really taken my heart with the TT’s insane performance, sound and interior. All amazing cars regardless though and I love all 3
Ohh Boy! Sickest intro ever for a car show :')
I’d love to drive that m2.
I'm a big BMW lover, but I have a soft spot for that Camro, plus it's cheaper
Gas guzzzzlerrrr
@@ender2664 ridiculous!!
@@ender2664 enjoy that terrible visibility lol M2 all day long
Then you feather the gas driving around and work to get those numbers.
Camaro back seats is not existent kids could never fit deal breaker. Also front seat doesn't recline back far enough
Great video, guys! All 3 cars have unique personalities and cater to different crowds. I appreciate how you compared them. I for one am just as much an M2 fan-boy as you are. I have my heart set on doing an M2 CS Euro delivery so I can drive it in it's natural element. Fun to watch. Thank you again for the reviews.
Each one of those cars are really fantastic
M2 for sure. I absolutely love the Audi's packaging and styling, and I love that inline-5. But the drivetrain layout, transverse engine mounting, front-biased and how far forward the engine sits, I agree. I couldn't get over that. I'd have to own a second car and get the M2.
RS3 all day long. Sophistication, Speed, Practicality, Comfort, Fun , Ambience and a beautiful sound ✨👌🏻
And that front grill with the 4 circles.....oh man....
Yep but its still a sedan! Sports cars look better.
@Questions, Opinions, and Options
On a race track and top speed maybe, but for daily use, the rs3 will get tou to the lights quicker than the m2, especially if it's raining or any other weather type than scorching hot.
I just special ordered my M2 comp - can't wait!
Ryan Fowler with which spec?
Manual trans, alpine white, exec package, carbon fiber spoiler, blue stitching, black wheels :)
Amazing. Enjoy!
Did the dealer cut you a discount or are you stuck paying msrp?
@@VictoryBibleBaptist MSRP
100% agree on 5-cylinder sound. 4s and 6s are difficult to get right but even my old Volvo 5-popper sounded great.
Camaro SS 1LE for me :) I just love the American Muscle with six speed manual gearbox :D
Bought 1LE... RS3 and M2 Comp were 50k used while 1LE was 30~34K used. Bought 2SS 1LE for 34k to get some more safety features. And I love the v8.
I own both the Camaro SS 1LE and a VW GTI; both are 2018 models. The GTI is built on the same platform as the RS3 tested here, so I think my comments are somewhat valid. My extended family has had several BMW's and Audi's over the years as well. The most surprising thing about the Camaro is the solid chassis and great build quality. My GTI has excellent suspension, but the interior rattles. My 991 Porsche drives great, but rattles also and cost 3 times what the Camaro did, with similar performance. BMW fuel pumps have left my Mom stranded on the side of the road twice.
The Camaro is built like a tank. It has cheap interior materials, but not a rattle in it. Excellent motor and gearbox. Incredible grip and handling, although steering feel is somewhat vague, and mag ride is excellent. Very strong brakes with great feel. It is a fantastic car. You get used to the visability. I don't even think about it anymore. A performance bargain with an epic motor and sound, and not one issue in 40K miles. And when it comes time to repair something, you get parts at the Chevy dealer instead of BMW $$$.
"...it doesn't smell of onions...it smells of ice cream..."
Hahahahahahaha!
M2 with a manual gearbox all day.... or maybe the Camaro when you want to roar like Mufasa lol
The spirit of the M3 lives on in the body of the M2.
I'm watching this in 2022 and hearing you both introduce yourselves with your full names in a reserved tone is pretty wild.
This is by far the best car show of all time after top gear and the very best on youtube 👌
Awesome video! The SS 1LE will be my next car even though I live in the snow belt. I don't have kids, so the choice is easy! I don't mind having a winter car as well.
@@Gandalf721 I already own 2 other cars. Besides, the salt on the roads would ruin it.
Easy, camaro 1le for me !!
thanks 4 been honest about Camaro quality, good review
You guys by far, are the best at this car thing. Subscribed.
Gm should have put a hinge on the passenger side of that arm rest so it flips to the side
Great review.I would definitely choose the M2 with the AUDI RS3 a very close 2nd.The M2 is just the right size.
Later on you need to compare the M2C(manual) Vs M2C(DCT) on the road and around the track.
The M2 (DCT)in Australia is $120,000 AUD including on the road costs. ☹️
and a fully optioned RS3 even new is in the high 80k zone in Aus. If they were the same price I could see some competition, but at 30k+ more, no chance.
Use the budget of the M2 cs and go buy a Camaro ZL1 with a 6 speed.
Yu Qi Wang well said lol.
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@jimmysp4des a car that Randy Pobst (2 time 24 hour Daytona winner) praised soo much about and even own one. Highly recommend you actually drive one
@jimmysp4des loll I see~ m4 is a gem.
@jimmysp4des well you can't exactly ask for all that performance and a nice interior for what the Camaro SS costs. The chassis was developed to take on the M3 and M5 with the ATS and CTS. Camaro just benefitted from that. That's why it's such a great bargain. But all of the touch points (steering wheel, shifter, seats) are very very nice. The money was spent on what matters as a driver's car. Everything else is budget as hell. The interior design isn't bad, pretty cool actually. but the materials are garbage. But as a weekend car it's perfect. The steering, ride /handling balance, grip, acceleration, sound are all sublime. Pretty amazing that you can pick one up for $40k brand new. The SS 1LE puts down track times that are virtually identical to an M4 GTS. Even the non 1LE, base SS puts down lap times virtually identical to a base M4, for half the money. That's pretty insane if you ask me. Also, the ZL1 isn't as much of a bargain as the SS 1LE. If you take half the difference in cost between those 2 trims and put that much in mod on the SS it'll keep up with the ZL1 in a straight line and handling will be better due to less weight at the nose. I'm thinking ported 95mm throttle body, ported high ram, intake, headers, xpipe, flex fuel.
Thanks for the great, detailed review. Ive made up my mind. I’m buying a Challenger R/T Shaker Widebody. They just look cooler.
So happy I bought the SS 1LE
Great video, guys!! I like your style. But for my fantasy, give me the RS3 to drive when I'm staying in the Rocky Mountains, the Camaro when I'm near the coast, but the M2 for all other times. The PERFECT daily driver for a car enthusiast.
Excellent real world review. Track reviews are nice but it doesn't tell the story of where we are driving 98% of the time
You guys are the best youtubers for car guys!
Yep, I bought a M2 Comp 6 Speed and it's getting its Carbahn tune today
I live in Seattle and it rains 8 months a year. I'll take audi rs3
Weird, I live in Seattle and it only rains between the end of October and the beginning of May. I'll take the M2. For sports cars RWD>AWD, if I need AWD I'll drive my wife's Jeep.
i dont understand people who cant drive an rwd in the rain or the snow. I have driven my dads awd volvo in the snow and rain but my bmw is just as good in rain and snow.
@Vinny Booboo last week was really the first rain we'd seen since the end of April. I've always driven RWD and have never lost control of a car because the road was wet.
MrAvocadoMan I used to drive a rwd Datsun with snow tires in the 90s in NY snow and would climb hills perfectly. I’m glad people think you need awd. It lowers cost of rwd.
just get a proper set of tires
Steering question James and Thomas.... Has the M2 comp solved the small input/fine adjustment awkwardness that the normal 2 series has? I find that maintaining a lane position in the 228i is frustrating. Tossing the car in and grabbing it by the scruff of its neck is no issue, but those fine adjustments almost feel like the electric assist isn't sure when to step in.
Yes. It is better. Not perfect. But much better.
Thanks..I need to get my hands on a comp to experience. That was the biggest deal breaker for me when I was considering replacing my e92 m3 with an M2. Suppose i'd miss my S65 too haha
I am a german guy, so my choice: Camaro all day, design, engine american V8 icon, speed (on autobahn and track), individuality, fun, soul and last but least the best prive-performance ratio.
Congratulations on 1 M subscribers! You guys deserve 10M
Just recently looked at all 3 of these cars myself and ended up settling on the RS3. Canada weather, this being the only car, and Toronto city shit roads made this decision a lot easier. Manual wasn't an option as well (wife's opinion), which really made it quite a bit more clear.
Great review of all of the cars overall.
Agreed I'm driving a forte gt and am looking for future car, I'm thinking the same thing
RS3, but if it's a hatch. And why hate on that DSG? It's the best in the business.
Also, the 5cyl exhaust note is the best note on any car right now.
M2C. Any day. I have owned a 2011 M3, a 2015 M4 and most recently a 2018 M5. I just purchased a 2020 M2 Comp, and I think that it is the best M-car I have owned. It is the perfect combination of power, styling, size and handling. Taking the best features of the others and rolling it into one package.
Bought a Camaro SS 1LE M6. Couldnt be happier. I see out of it just fine(I'm 6'3", have a long neck, and use my mirrors). 2nd choice was a Mustang PP2 or Challenger 392 Widebody.
Love the Lion King reference! :)