@@rkba4923 Pistols aren't very good at putting people down, unless they're in the hands of someone with a lot of relevant training who can run a rapid string of fire into the vitals. Mag capacity of most .45 ACPs is limited, so unless you're carrying a P14 or extended STI mag, you're out-gunned in many circumstances. I met a cop who got into a gunfight with a kid who was carrying a G21. The cop took a round to the face first, thinking the kid punched him, followed by 2 execution shots to the chest after he was on his back (wearing armor). Kid walked off thinking it was over, cop sat up and engaged him with his G22. Kid turned back and engaged with the G21. Both ran to slide lock. Mag capacity advantage of the G22 and training won out. .45 ACP was ditched by the best combat shooters in the world about 15 years ago. It is now known as .45 AARP.
@@rkba4923 Bears are more of an argument about bullet construction and penetration plus capacity. There are loads for both 10mm and .44 Mag that will do the job in penetrating the skull from head-down charging orientation. 10mm will just give you more opportunities to make those hits, whereas you only have 6 shots with .44 Mag. A 10mm Auto is easier to carry as well, unless you go Airweight Smith with the .44 Mag, which is not fun to shoot at all, limited follow-up shot capability.
@@Wildanimal864. I get you, and I wasn’t talking trash on either one (I have both calibers). I just meant that he used a really light bullet for a 44 mag, so it probably put it at a disadvantage as far as penetrating goes. I was just surprised it held up so well considering.
You should have connect the front and back plates with a clamp or welded them together, then clamped them to the stool. Since neither plate was anchored, the first plate set the second plate in motion before the bullet struck the second plate, thereby reducing the impacts of the bullets. It was still interesting though.
thank you very much for this video. I own a glock 29, glock 20, and a s&w 629. I have read the ballistics of both calibers and it's nice to see the real comparision done here.
i like the 10mm round.. i own a block.. and i also like the 44 magnum round it's still one of the biggest baddest boys on the block as it relates to pistol ammo, Dirty Harry had it right when he carried a 6 inch model 29, 44 magnum S&W it's a man stopper... a beast stopper... an alien stopper... a car engine block penetrator... and ballistic vest threat.... and a Sasquatch stopper ...
Revolvers are not affected by barrel pressure like autos because of the barrel gap that allows the gas to escape.Long barrels on revolvers are for accuracy,not velocity.
the fact that you used hollow points for the 44 made it unequal, hollow points shatter easier and i think if it were regular ammo for the 44 it would have made it through that metal.
The way I look at it is they both penetrated but the 10mm has way more capacity and you can recover each shot way faster with a 10mm then you can with the magnum. But a hollow point is not what you want for this kind of penetration. I use extreme penetrators or coated hard cast bullets by underwood ammo for my 10mm and it does amazing.
Funny how the 10mm fanboys are just like the 9mm fanboys, when faced with superior fire power.. "I have more bullets than you.. so I win." Yeah, what if I have a .44 mag semi auto, with a 12 round magazine?
Are we really comparing a 10mm from 4.6 inch barrel to a .44 magnum from a six inch barrel? Comparing the same caliber round fired from the two different length barrels will yield wide results. This comparison is hardly valid.
I am sorry, but this is not a good comparison. You show a 10mm at its max potential and a .44 mag at its weakest. Use a .44 Buffalo round or even just a 240 gr jhp win. 10mm doesn't even come close. I have a Redhawk and an old model Super Blackhawk and use high velocity .44 magnums in both. As for person asking why do we need large bore guns. Why not. Read the Founding Fathers reasons for the 2nd Amendment. It wasn't for hunting or target shooting. It was to keep tyrants from controlling the country like a bunch of jack booted thugs. To quote Thomas Jefferson, " An armed society is a polite society." Also, when the government fears the people there is liberty . When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. " Just sayin....
mauricec100 well said?... guess i am just confused. Use buffalo bore round in 44 mag also so we can see the 44 mag kick the shit out of the 10 mill even more? I could be wrong but i think the vid was to show just how much more damage the 44 will do over the 10 mill, even giving the 10 mill the best ammo, and the 44 the weakest ammo. And the 44 still came out on top.
Tell that to the liberal snowflakes that live in gun controlled cities like Chicago, where there are more murders than anywhere else. When are these morons going to wake up? Your analysis was spot on btw, Thanks for pointing that out to the viewers,
I fired both before committing to my choice. Problem #1 with the 44 Mag is a High-Noon after every shot and target reaquisitioning each time. That's critical in charging bear attacks. I bought the Glock 20, Gen4 10mm for bears, and the recoil is so controllable and the sheer high bullet count capacity made the Glock a non-brainer for me. Still in all, seriously consider firing some Underwood Extreme Penetrator 140gr 100% copper and see for yourself. That 44 Mag is only missing wheels and a trailer hitch to take into the woods. Seriously!
A .400" diameter bullet in 180 grain hollow point, and a .429" diameter bullet in 180 grain hollow point, at 700 and 900 ft-lbs respectively are going impart their energy to the target. Hollow points do all of their work up front. If you have ever seen gel shot with hollow points, you would know this. Within in 6-8" it has done 90% of it's work. Second, you say wound channel size and bleed out, and then over penetration is BS. Which is it?
I for one, found your video to be quite informative, regardless of the slight shortcomings others have pointed out. As an older late-bloomer (with firearms) I was able to appreciate what you had to share. Thanx.
I bet if the second plate were mounted down it would have went through both of them, especially if you used FMJ. Either way that .44 Magnum is a beast.
The metal not being secured or anchored down accounts for the lack of penetration of the second piece of steel. Both calibers will penetrate this thin steel. How far the steel flies off the table is another way to measure impact energy although crudely.
Neat video, but I'd have been much more interested to see Buffalo Bore in the 44 mag too. Comparing the hottest 10mm to the lightest 44mag is about as pointless as it gets.
@@nova68cutie Maybe he wanted to be fair to the 44 mag. With the Glock you can put 16 to 18 followup shots on target very rapidly. Try and do that with a 44 mag loaded up to the gills with hot shot is going to be next to impossible. So he kept it at manageable recoil levels. The 44 mag out performs the 10mm by about 30% with these two loads when it comes to joules on target. Great if you only need 1 or maximum 2 shots. But when you're pissing your pants as an enraged bear is barreling at you, I'd say that followup shots are important too. Just my 2 cents.
TheDamnSpot . I won't argue that because pissing my pants is exactly what I'd likely be doing. I'd still very much prefer a 44 mag as opposed to a 10mm when facing a pissed off bear not because I have any experience but only because I've heard real world feedback from an ex coworker years ago who had killed bear with both a 44 mag & a 10mm one being a single 6 & the other a delta elite. His testimony he declared that the difference between the 44 magnum & the 10 mm were a night & day scenario. I took him at his word as he never was one to tell tall tales. He also told me that it was stupid to even do it with a handgun & that when faced with a bear your should always use i higher powered rifle such as a 762/51, 3006 or any similar type round.
When I first got my 44mag I was not a reloader. I could by ammo at Kmart/Walmart/Local Mom and Pop hunting and fishing stores/Small Town Hardware Stores etc..I have never seen 10mm even at Gander Mountain. I like 10mm it is fine cartridge but it is not practical for most people and is hard to find and expensive! On top of that you seldom go into a store that has anything in stock in 10mm handguns. 30-06 and 6.5X47 are both great cartridges but one is much more versatile,affordable,available.
Yea for a single shot, that recoil going to take a while to get back on target, I love my 10mm it's the most powerful auto pistol you can control and have maximum power and follow ups. 44 magnum is a wallop for sure and l8ve the circle flame some throws lol
its just right,to walk thru Africa or the Alaskan snow country,its the perfect round,adjust the distance by the barrel,my dan Wesson is 10 inch and its sighted in for distance shooting
Force = Mass x Acceleration. Double mass and you double the amount of energy. Double acceleration, double the amount of energy. See how that works? Ft/lbs of energy are calculated by taking the velocity Squared multiplying it by the weight of the round in grains, and dividing by 450420 which is a constant.
Come on the guys not trying to prove the best round for anything, just playing around and having fun. If I lived out where I could shoot various junk for fun instead of stupid as paper targets I would. He never even said anything negative about either caliber. If you selected dislike your problem is not the video, go hug a bear...
Should have been 2 to 3 minutes instead of including 5 minutes of waving targets and guns around. I was half expecting a commercial there was so much padding.
I'm not an expert or anything close but wouldn't most of today's defense ammo punch a hole through sheet metal that thin ? I'd like to see you shoot a .22 mag out of a rifle at that same sheet of metal , who knows ?
Most of the energy is used as deformation energy (both of the bullet and the flesh in the form of the wound channel. That is why you don't see people shoved across a room when they have been shot. Now if it is directed at something solid like a bone, it only has a mater of inches (or fractions of an inch in some cases) to dump it's energy. If the bullet doesn't penetrate the bone or disintegrate on impact, it only has one place to go... And it's going to take the bone with it.
@badrhetoic Which I was referring to the diameter of the round. Standard vs Metric. If you were to reload the round, you would use .40cal rounds. So it is a .40, just with a bigger casing.
No, you don't see. "Much bigger hole" .44 magnum (44% of an inch) is larger in diameter than a 10mm (.40 cal or 40% of an inch.) the man is stating the obvious. No surprises here. Penetration is a function of velocity and bullet construction. the 180 gr. 44 magnum is an odd load.. given the far larger powder charge in the revolver cartridge and the longer barrel in the "Raging Bull" vs the Glock 20, I am surprised it failed to penetrate the back wall. If he wanted a true test of one cartridge vs the other, the standard 240 grain .44 load should have been used. Hard cast bullets would have given more penetration in both cases vs hollow points, but cast bullets cannot be safely fired from the Glock's polygonaly rifled barrel. I do not think the results would have been significantly different, however. The .44 magnum just has more energy.. and diameter...and makes a bigger hole... dur.
I am sure the failure to penetrate the second piece of sheet metal was that the first piece set it into motion when it hit the first piece. My 44 mag will easily penetrate an old hot water heater top to bottom which is thicker than this.
When comparing rounds you should use a pistol with the same length barrels in order to be accurate. There's a big difference between 10mm 5" barrel and a 10mm 6" barrel...
Actually I have other videos where I test the glock 20 with a 6 inch barrel and 900 ft lbs + was easy to achieve with the right ammo. However that being said I have shot 1300 ft lbs ammo from my Taurus 44 magnum, so best ammo in both calibers and equal barrel lengths the 10mm is still 300-350 ft lbs lower in energy.
It's all about using a gun for its intended purpose. I enjoy the power comparison. I have a 629 smith that is a fabulous woods gun. For hunting I find it to be perfect. Black bear is the biggest threat I have and they usually run away when stumbled upon. I see no need to compare a self defense high capacity semi auto with a classic 6" 44 mag in a self defense situation. I would hate to shoot someone with my 629. This video is to just show the comparison of the power of the 10mm, and how far semi auto pistols have came
AdversaryOmega No, its really not. These safes are a false sense of security. They are light enough to be picked up and carried out by 2 dudes. They know exactly where all your good shit is, in the safe! Duh! Also, they offer very little protection in a fire. So yeah. total false sense of security.
Sawyer Lane Because the runners it ship on are made from the leftover drops from cutting out the safes. You don't really know anything about manufacturing do you? High quality safes don't ship from china bolted to sheet metal skids. Most folks cannot afford a safe that offers actual protection against theft or fire. Go somewhere that stores actual valuables, and look at the safe. No go home and look at your POS gun safe made of folded sheet metal to make it look like steel plate. Enough said.
Also as stated in the comments bellow there are much more powerful .44 magnum rounds. But even with this round that .44 magnum is like twice the size of the 10mm. But you're right, I wouldn't want to be shot at with either one. But I'd probably would have a better chance with a couple sheets of this metal between me and a 10mm.
Buffalo bore sells fmj and hardcast in addition to hollowpoints. It is a cartridge company, not a type of bullet. They sell ammo made in many calibers.
unfair comparison kinda like 44mag vs 454 casull or 45acp vs 50ae. very different bullets and ballistics. 10mm can compare with 357 mag but 357 will penetrate more.
There is way more than a 200 ft lb difference!! The hottest .44 is 340gr moving at 1500fps vs the hottest 10mm which is 220gr moving at 1200fps!! Huge difference!!! As mentioned below a 10mm should only be compared with a .357 mag!
The most powerful round the shooter can expertly control, using a bullet style that will effectively dump most of it's energy inside the target. The aim is to approach a "one shot stop", without over penetrating and endangering others downrange. That means what you load for a hike in the bush where the bears live would be different that what you would carry in the Big City. And, yes I've hiked where the bears live.
Mihai T Do you think bears are funny cuddly cartoon characters? If you surprise a bear on a trail they will kill you in a very brutal and unpleasant way. They bury you in branches and soil and come back to eat you later when your meat has aged a bit. I'd only shoot a bear to protect the life of my family or myself. But, without a very powerful firearm you are not likely to survive an up close encounter with a bear. I'd guess you've never been near the real outdoors.
First, bears are animals,me and you can simply protect ourselves by using our brains.Second, what chances are to bump into each other unless we are do it on purpose ? Bears are teritorial , they do not leave an area unless they can't get any food so, most of the time if you do not cross his place you won't get in trouble.I've been a lot outdoor and I've meet bears and they has run away from me, not because I am a scary person or because I was armed but because they had trouble with humans before.
Mihai T And the time you meet up with a bear who is not afraid of humans? Or get between a mother bear and her cubs by accident? When the raw power of your mind, intellect, and hubris does not stop an enraged bear charge? Read back to "kill you in a very brutal and unpleasant way" A powerful handgun carried by a skilled outdoorsman may never fired on the trail. I would hope it would never have to be. But, If you do meet a rogue Ursus unarmed you will likely not survive. The dying will be brutal, and surviving a mauling might actually be worse. I have to ask. Do you have the legal ability to freely own a handgun, and carry one in the field in your country? Because I'm wondering if you are really just jealous of the people who live in countries free enough to not ban their citizens from being armed in the outdoors, or even owning firearms? Is this really about "Magnum envy"?
In my country a hand gun is difficult to buy and own a but a rifle made for hunting is relativly easy to legally have . I am not jealous on people who has such handguns like 375 magnum because firearms for me are just tools like a screwdriver or a hammer wich I use and own only if needed . I have met bobcats and bears and never, NEVER need a firearm to protect myself. By the way , how many times have you found yourself in such situations to need a highpower handgun ? The way are you speaking in the forrest raging bears are to be met on every corner !
Sorry, but you used some of the baddest 10mm ammo made, and then went on to use factory/mass produced 44magnum ammo(Apples to Oranges). 180gr is standard for 10mm, but 180gr is super light for 44mag. IMO the 44mag should have been 240gr(standard for caliber). And, had you used Buffalo bore 44mag ammo, there would be no comparison! 10mm is a phenomenal round, but it is NOT a 44mag!
44Mag always wins over 10mm except in capacity. To chuck p below he and most the people replying to him have no clue. While 44mag is not ideal unless in stub or airlite 10mm is probably one of the best self defense calibers there is. The g29 is thee most powerful and feared conceal carry piece there is bit the airlite 44 is made to carry and its what i carry when i dont carry my g29.
Don't really want to nit - pick, but you should have the two pieces, C-clamped together. Because they are loose, neither caliber can penetrate the back. one.
+j rvlvr Look up the ballistics of the full power 10mm load. It was designed to compete with the .357 mag, but is much closer to the .41 mag. Comparing it to the .44 mag isn't really what it was meant to be compared to, but not a bad choice for this guy comparing the one time most powerful revolver to the at one time most powerful auto-pistol.
A reload exponent once told me that the data in the ' older' books differs greatly from the more safe options of today. Personally I believe that 10mm can ' come close ' in terms of brute force, but surpasses in terms of round count. Is it ever ballistically Even..? I don't think that it is apples and apples. I love my 10mm, it shoots incredibly in my opinion, is it a .44mag... Nope. But i have 16 of those and Underwood make some incredibly powerful stuff.
Need to find the old Norma loads for it. I am running a 155gr XTP at 1680fps which gives me 971ftlbs. That with pressure signs just starting to show. Thats a whole 1.5 grs above max in the hornady book.
j rvlvr a real 10mm magnum is superior to the 44 magnum though. 10mm auto has the same max pressure as the 44 magnum if not a little more. With the same bullet weight you are only comparing hole size. A smaller bore vs a larger bore. Velocities will differ subtly in comparative revolvers. But you lose a lot in a auto loader.
for an accurate comparison, you must use comparable ammo... you used Buffalo ammo for the 10 mm and PMC for the 44 Mag... you have to use comparable ammo... not just comparable bullet weights...
That´s right, but the Glock can hold more ammo, so both guns have benefits and disadvantages. The .44 is definitely the gun of choice if you want almost unstoppable power, the 10mm is good for pray and spray :)
What I would love to see is, 1) put a Lone Wolf 6" barrel on your Glock 20. and 2) using the same weight hard cast bullet. Oh wait we can't because the heaviest 10mm round the Glock 20 can shoot is the 220 gr Buffalo Bore. And in the woods in bear territory I would be carrying the Bullalo Bore 320 gr load. Results will still be subjective to each shooter, as each of us would have a different reason for which one we would carry. Bottom line your chosen caliber you must be happy with, as I have carried both the Glock 20 in 10mm is a much lighter package, and will handle everything in North America.
Why? I mean sure, he could have used loads with twice the energy as those 10mm... he could have used hard cast bullets and punched through both those plates, plus another or two. But what would be the point? It is already known that .44 magnum stomps the pee out of 10mm in terms of energy and penetrating power.
Joz Sports probably bought your 10mm by now, but in case someone is looking Rock Island has a double stack 1911 in 10mm. Other manufacturers Sig Sauer, Ruger, Glock, Wilson, Colt, and Kimber. From what I know Glock is the only one with compact 10mm. I only know of Rock Island and Glock with double stack magazines in 10mm. I didn't try it but apparently some .45 1911 magazines can hold 10mm.
3/32 isn't much of a plate. 9mm definitely goes through it. Haven't tried 45 acp yet but I'm pretty certain it will. 44mag is a lot more power than 10mm and a whole lot more than a 45acp, but regardless, that plate isn't thick enough to stop bullets.
The 10mm used to be a lot hotter than the current factory loads. I remember some that I use to shoot back in the 80s and 90s that were really hot, seems like they were light FMJ type projectiles (170 grain?) at about 1300 fps. I recall plinking at a dump and shooting diagonally all the way thru on old range like it was butter. That was several layers of steel The stove could not move like this light sheet steel does on the video. You lose a lot of kinetic energy when the steel moves. Good video.
Yea the standard load from norma when the 10mm firat came out was a 180gr bullet at 1300fps or at least 1250 which in turn is 675 footlbs of energy or 650 with the 1250fps
No, Canada. We have a 10rd limit unless you can fit a larger caliber magazine with the original caliber for the gun. (Ex. 9mm in .40 mag in a 9mm you can legally have 14+ rounds) But if the mag says 9mm its 10 rounds.
We have an semi auto limit of 5rds so our AR15s come with 5rd magazines but guys can legally fit 14-15 in a .50BMG mag or 10 in an LAR pistol mag. The laws are draconian here but still not as bad as California's.
+Danzo DaManzo I have the glock 40MOS in 10mm I have the lone wolf 6" and 9" barrells and extended clips, so its 18+ for me, but in grizzly country the 10mm is HOME and the .44mag with 320 max loads is on the hip... JUST NO COMPARISON FOR the big bear load..
I was at the gun store recently and 3 hunters came in who trap up in the arctic and said the 2 of them had to empty their .357 to put down a polar bear. All three ended up ordering S&W Model 460. For home defense or battle you want capacity, when you are messing with a 1000+lb wild animal you want power.
That is why it is possible to shoot an 13.23lb revolver chambered in .600 N.E to be fired with no more felt recoil than the .500 S&W. The weight reduces the recoil velocity to something that the movement of the arms/wrists can dissipate. The person on the receiving end of this doesn't have that advantage. The energy is dumped very quickly and over a relatively short distance.
Everyone knows a 10mm doesn't compare to 44 but you have 15 rounds of 10 opposed to 5-6 rounds depending on model.and you can shoot 220gr hard cast (with aftermarket barrel in glock) so you can easily ccw with 180gr HP's then switch to 220s when you hit the woods in bear or hog territory. Granted I love both of them.
good video and it was nice to see using the same bullet weight but you should of added in the 44 mag using a 240 gr as that is what is mostly used in them also one using the most powerful of bough the 10 ml and the 44 mag.
No I am describing two separate equations. No mix up needed, just not enough characters to explain. Force is what creates the energy, it is what acts upon the object. F=MA describes the relationship between forces, mass and acceleration, which is important even when you are talking about quantities of energy and not about the forces in question.
Bigger hole: the 10mm = about .394 in. diameter, the .44 Mag is actually .429 in. diameter. And using a 240 grain soft nose for the .44 would provide much better penetration than any 10mm load.
@lacrossplaier55 The box actually says 6.5 inch barrel and I like it alot. It handles 1300 ft lbs energy loads with controllable amount of kick. I can shoot normal loads all day long one handed with out fear of it jumping out of my hand. It really tames the 44 mag round with its porting and weight .
Why'd you use hollow points? That really undercuts the penetrative capacity of the 10mm, doesn't it? And though I do not expect the 10mm to be truly competitive in many ways with the .44 magnum, to give the latter any advantage in powder charge in addition to the 10mm having a wider cavity and being a jacketed as opposed to small cavity lead hollow point seems like complete overkill in burying the 10mm, and yet, in spite of that, in terms of what was measured here, it still seemed to match up fairly well.
Hot 44 mag rounds like Buffalo Bore's are hitting 1300+ ft lbs of energy from my Raging Bull. That's way more power than these in the video. Don't think 460 rowland can mess with that.
@skyhop Which load in .45 Super is surpassing the 10mm Auto on every level? Buffalo Bore is pretty tight with their velocities: .45 Super, 200 grain JHP = 1,200fps/M.E.639 ft.lbs. 10mm Auto, 200 grain FMJ = 1,200fps/M.E. 639 ft.lbs. Not seeing one clearly outdoing the other...
First: That has nothing to do with my response.. Second: Buffalo Bore has all kinds of bullets and doesn't JUST do hollow points.. Third: hollow points are Montana gold bullets which are not even designed to expand. They are strictly for competition. Fourth: Those PMC 44mag rounds ARE hollow points as well.. Google is your friend.. Remember that..
For some dummies who not doing any research down here. This is not the hottest 10mm alright. The 10mm hottest reload that I have known reach 1124 foot lbs of energy, enough to compare a hot 44 mag out there on the market. References link down here, Nosler 135gr HP bullets Starline new brass CCI #300 primers 14.5gr IMR 800x 1938.2 ft/sec 1929.8 ft/sec 1931.2 ft/sec 1960.3 ft/sec 1931.4 ft/sec ES: 30.5 MAD: 8.8 Ave: 1939.1 ft/sec Energy 1124.58 ft/lb Power Factor: 261.50
@jstutz2003 People always ask about how well a 45 will penetrate, but in reality, it is one of the worst penetrating rounds. It is going too slow for its sectional density..
Doubt it, 45 ACP is a low-velocity round. Great round - But these two cartridges are in the grey area between handgun rounds and rifle rounds. I could be wrong though.
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The classic is not defeated !!! 44 Magnum forever!
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you carry a 44Mag as backup in Bear country instead of a 10mm.
15rds of 10mm vs 5-6rds of .44 Mag?
@@LRRPFco52 Same argument as for a 9mm vs a .45 1911. To each his own. Some people are just bad shots, I reckon.
@@rkba4923 Pistols aren't very good at putting people down, unless they're in the hands of someone with a lot of relevant training who can run a rapid string of fire into the vitals.
Mag capacity of most .45 ACPs is limited, so unless you're carrying a P14 or extended STI mag, you're out-gunned in many circumstances.
I met a cop who got into a gunfight with a kid who was carrying a G21. The cop took a round to the face first, thinking the kid punched him, followed by 2 execution shots to the chest after he was on his back (wearing armor).
Kid walked off thinking it was over, cop sat up and engaged him with his G22. Kid turned back and engaged with the G21.
Both ran to slide lock. Mag capacity advantage of the G22 and training won out.
.45 ACP was ditched by the best combat shooters in the world about 15 years ago. It is now known as .45 AARP.
@@LRRPFco52 I thought we were talking about Bears.
@@rkba4923 Bears are more of an argument about bullet construction and penetration plus capacity. There are loads for both 10mm and .44 Mag that will do the job in penetrating the skull from head-down charging orientation. 10mm will just give you more opportunities to make those hits, whereas you only have 6 shots with .44 Mag.
A 10mm Auto is easier to carry as well, unless you go Airweight Smith with the .44 Mag, which is not fun to shoot at all, limited follow-up shot capability.
44 mag did great for the ammo type. Really shows you how much more power it has over the 10, glad I have both.
Not that much power over anything 🤨, the damage was very close. .44 just had a slight edge.
@@Wildanimal864. I get you, and I wasn’t talking trash on either one (I have both calibers). I just meant that he used a really light bullet for a 44 mag, so it probably put it at a disadvantage as far as penetrating goes. I was just surprised it held up so well considering.
@@billystink4611 you are correct.
You should have connect the front and back plates with a clamp or welded them together, then clamped them to the stool. Since neither plate was anchored, the first plate set the second plate in motion before the bullet struck the second plate, thereby reducing the impacts of the bullets. It was still interesting though.
thank you very much for this video. I own a glock 29, glock 20, and a s&w 629. I have read the ballistics of both calibers and it's nice to see the real comparision done here.
i like the 10mm round.. i own a block.. and i also like the 44 magnum round it's still one of the biggest baddest boys on the block as it relates to pistol ammo,
Dirty Harry had it right when he carried a 6 inch model 29, 44 magnum S&W it's a man stopper... a beast stopper... an alien stopper... a car engine block penetrator... and ballistic vest threat.... and a Sasquatch stopper ...
That 10mm is still damn awesome, considering it's an auto, and the shorter barrel Vs. the Raging bull.
.44 Magnum owns!
Revolvers are not affected by barrel pressure like autos because of the barrel gap that allows the gas to escape.Long barrels on revolvers are for accuracy,not velocity.
It would be cool to see the .41 Mag VS. the 10mm. Great video.
great vid. i think you should put 10mm up against 357mag. and be sure to describe to everyone the velocity and grain of the loads.
Hollow points at steel is pointless
+James Franco Yup, there's not really a point. 😃
lol no pun intended
+James Franco neither is a longer barrel
+James Franco yup.
+brottarnacke ha.. I see what ya did there
The 10mmpuckered a hole, but the .44 Magnum cliced a plug out of the plate and that is what made the third ding.
Blasting shit with big guns never gets old. Great vid!
the fact that you used hollow points for the 44 made it unequal, hollow points shatter easier and i think if it were regular ammo for the 44 it would have made it through that metal.
@caleb. Absolutely correct
using hollow points on steele is pointless.
Literally lol
BugattiPusher youre absolutly right lol,well said.and it shows a poor understanding of ballistics.
It went through...
Looks like its not even steel, it looks like the garbage pot metal that is normally used to for that kind of shipping.
BugattiPusher not really.
For bear, hard cast heavy bullets are the only way to go regardless of whether you choose the 10mm or the .44 magnum.
The way I look at it is they both penetrated but the 10mm has way more capacity and you can recover each shot way faster with a 10mm then you can with the magnum. But a hollow point is not what you want for this kind of penetration. I use extreme penetrators or coated hard cast bullets by underwood ammo for my 10mm and it does amazing.
No no no desert Eagle 44 magnum of have 1 for 9 years 8 rounds down range less than 4 seconds still played 30 yd all day
Dude just use a jacketed bullet no need for fancy AP rounds
Funny how the 10mm fanboys are just like the 9mm fanboys, when faced with superior fire power.. "I have more bullets than you.. so I win." Yeah, what if I have a .44 mag semi auto, with a 12 round magazine?
@@johnshipleyjr614 show me 8 rnds of full house .44mag on target in 4 seconds. Make a video please
@@guaporeturns9472 put it in the same type of setup as a glock then
Are we really comparing a 10mm from 4.6 inch barrel to a .44 magnum from a six inch barrel? Comparing the same caliber round fired from the two different length barrels will yield wide results. This comparison is hardly valid.
I am sorry, but this is not a good comparison. You show a 10mm at its max potential and a .44 mag at its weakest. Use a .44 Buffalo round or even just a 240 gr jhp win. 10mm doesn't even come close. I have a Redhawk and an old model Super Blackhawk and use high velocity .44 magnums in both.
As for person asking why do we need large bore guns. Why not. Read the Founding Fathers reasons for the 2nd Amendment. It wasn't for hunting or target shooting. It was to keep tyrants from controlling the country like a bunch of jack booted thugs.
To quote Thomas Jefferson, " An armed society is a polite society." Also, when the government fears the people there is liberty . When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. "
Just sayin....
Well said
mauricec100 well said?... guess i am just confused. Use buffalo bore round in 44 mag also so we can see the 44 mag kick the shit out of the 10 mill even more? I could be wrong but i think the vid was to show just how much more damage the 44 will do over the 10 mill, even giving the 10 mill the best ammo, and the 44 the weakest ammo. And the 44 still came out on top.
Tell that to the liberal snowflakes that live in gun controlled cities like Chicago, where there are more murders than anywhere else. When are these morons going to wake up?
Your analysis was spot on btw, Thanks for pointing that out to the viewers,
Samuel Adams Nicely put👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿
I fired both before committing to my choice. Problem #1 with the 44 Mag is a High-Noon after every shot and target reaquisitioning each time. That's critical in charging bear attacks.
I bought the Glock 20, Gen4 10mm for bears, and the recoil is so controllable and the sheer high bullet count capacity made the Glock a non-brainer for me.
Still in all, seriously consider firing some Underwood Extreme Penetrator 140gr 100% copper and see for yourself. That 44 Mag is only missing wheels and a trailer hitch to take into the woods. Seriously!
A .400" diameter bullet in 180 grain hollow point, and a .429" diameter bullet in 180 grain hollow point, at 700 and 900 ft-lbs respectively are going impart their energy to the target. Hollow points do all of their work up front. If you have ever seen gel shot with hollow points, you would know this. Within in 6-8" it has done 90% of it's work.
Second, you say wound channel size and bleed out, and then over penetration is BS. Which is it?
I for one, found your video to be quite informative, regardless of the slight shortcomings others have pointed out. As an older late-bloomer (with firearms) I was able to appreciate what you had to share. Thanx.
I bet if the second plate were mounted down it would have went through both of them, especially if you used FMJ. Either way that .44 Magnum is a beast.
Damn no wonder Clint loves dat 44MAG.
The metal not being secured or anchored down accounts for the lack of penetration of the second piece of steel. Both calibers will penetrate this thin steel. How far the steel flies off the table is another way to measure impact energy although crudely.
Neat video, but I'd have been much more interested to see Buffalo Bore in the 44 mag too.
Comparing the hottest 10mm to the lightest 44mag is about as pointless as it gets.
I was thinking the same thing.
Shooting things is never pointless you Democrat
@phil cooper. It is when the test is heavily bias towards the 10mm. Not that it stood a chance anyway.
@@nova68cutie Maybe he wanted to be fair to the 44 mag. With the Glock you can put 16 to 18 followup shots on target very rapidly. Try and do that with a 44 mag loaded up to the gills with hot shot is going to be next to impossible. So he kept it at manageable recoil levels. The 44 mag out performs the 10mm by about 30% with these two loads when it comes to joules on target. Great if you only need 1 or maximum 2 shots. But when you're pissing your pants as an enraged bear is barreling at you, I'd say that followup shots are important too. Just my 2 cents.
TheDamnSpot . I won't argue that because pissing my pants is exactly what I'd likely be doing. I'd still very much prefer a 44 mag as opposed to a 10mm when facing a pissed off bear not because I have any experience but only because I've heard real world feedback from an ex coworker years ago who had killed bear with both a 44 mag & a 10mm one being a single 6 & the other a delta elite. His testimony he declared that the difference between the 44 magnum & the 10 mm were a night & day scenario. I took him at his word as he never was one to tell tall tales. He also told me that it was stupid to even do it with a handgun & that when faced with a bear your should always use i higher powered rifle such as a 762/51, 3006 or any similar type round.
When I first got my 44mag I was not a reloader. I could by ammo at Kmart/Walmart/Local Mom and Pop hunting and fishing stores/Small Town Hardware Stores etc..I have never seen 10mm even at Gander Mountain.
I like 10mm it is fine cartridge but it is not practical for most people and is hard to find and expensive! On top of that you seldom go into a store that has anything in stock in 10mm handguns. 30-06 and 6.5X47 are both great cartridges but one is much more versatile,affordable,available.
44 mag all day long, it’s a MAGNUM!!!
Trippin glock 20 holds 20 rounds of 10mm dude .
@@hindsight2022 Right🤨💯
Yea for a single shot, that recoil going to take a while to get back on target, I love my 10mm it's the most powerful auto pistol you can control and have maximum power and follow ups. 44 magnum is a wallop for sure and l8ve the circle flame some throws lol
If at all possible I'd like to see you hit that same steel with a 7.62x25 Tokarov, it has a reputation for penitration so lets see how it competes.
44 is a beautiful round
its just right,to walk thru Africa or the Alaskan snow country,its the perfect round,adjust the distance by the barrel,my dan Wesson is 10 inch and its sighted in for distance shooting
Force = Mass x Acceleration. Double mass and you double the amount of energy. Double acceleration, double the amount of energy. See how that works? Ft/lbs of energy are calculated by taking the velocity Squared multiplying it by the weight of the round in grains, and dividing by 450420 which is a constant.
Come on the guys not trying to prove the best round for anything, just playing around and having fun. If I lived out where I could shoot various junk for fun instead of stupid as paper targets I would. He never even said anything negative about either caliber. If you selected dislike your problem is not the video, go hug a bear...
"Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"
Should have been 2 to 3 minutes instead of including 5 minutes of waving targets and guns around. I was half expecting a commercial there was so much padding.
+GinSkimPivot Dumbest reply I've read today, as he never claimed to have example videos.
This video does have a lot of time wasting fluff.
I'm not an expert or anything close but wouldn't most of today's defense ammo punch a hole through sheet metal that thin ? I'd like to see you shoot a .22 mag out of a rifle at that same sheet of metal , who knows ?
Very cool! Love these types of tests!
Most of the energy is used as deformation energy (both of the bullet and the flesh in the form of the wound channel. That is why you don't see people shoved across a room when they have been shot.
Now if it is directed at something solid like a bone, it only has a mater of inches (or fractions of an inch in some cases) to dump it's energy. If the bullet doesn't penetrate the bone or disintegrate on impact, it only has one place to go... And it's going to take the bone with it.
I just got a Taurus RB in .44, thanks for justifying my purchase! lol
I think you would get more favorable penetration with solid, non-expanding bullets of a hard to FMJ configuration.
Thanks for the video - impressive!
You should try the Buffalo Bore heavy hard cast for both - I think you'd be impressed.
@badrhetoic Which I was referring to the diameter of the round. Standard vs Metric. If you were to reload the round, you would use .40cal rounds. So it is a .40, just with a bigger casing.
you wasted energy of both rounds due to lack of stabilisation of your target... Next time strap them down!!!
that is exactly the point. makes it a bit meaningless
Idk.....still gets the point across to me.
So how many millimeters of steel did you need to stop the .44 magnum???
Much bigger hole. .44 inch vs .40 inch... dur. Should have used a typical .44 magnum load of 240 grains. Nobody shoots a 180 grain 44 magnum.
Not all that bright I see...
No, you don't see. "Much bigger hole" .44 magnum (44% of an inch) is larger in diameter than a 10mm (.40 cal or 40% of an inch.) the man is stating the obvious. No surprises here. Penetration is a function of velocity and bullet construction. the 180 gr. 44 magnum is an odd load.. given the far larger powder charge in the revolver cartridge and the longer barrel in the "Raging Bull" vs the Glock 20, I am surprised it failed to penetrate the back wall. If he wanted a true test of one cartridge vs the other, the standard 240 grain .44 load should have been used. Hard cast bullets would have given more penetration in both cases vs hollow points, but cast bullets cannot be safely fired from the Glock's polygonaly rifled barrel. I do not think the results would have been significantly different, however. The .44 magnum just has more energy.. and diameter...and makes a bigger hole... dur.
I am sure the failure to penetrate the second piece of sheet metal was that the first piece set it into motion when it hit the first piece. My 44 mag will easily penetrate an old hot water heater top to bottom which is thicker than this.
Thanks Steve i didn't see what you wrote until after i commented on what he said about bullet velocity.
your math is off. .44 magnum does not make a hole .44in it makes a hole .429 inches.
When comparing rounds you should use a pistol with the same length barrels in order to be accurate. There's a big difference between 10mm 5" barrel and a 10mm 6" barrel...
try it with similar ammo instead of the cheap stuff for the 44
Not much of a good comparison.
Do that in your video
Only way to make 10 mm compare to 44 mag
I was thinking the exact same thing. I dont know how your comment got too many negative votes. Length of barrell is a huge factor.
Actually I have other videos where I test the glock 20 with a 6 inch barrel and 900 ft lbs + was easy to achieve with the right ammo. However that being said I have shot 1300 ft lbs ammo from my Taurus 44 magnum, so best ammo in both calibers and equal barrel lengths the 10mm is still 300-350 ft lbs lower in energy.
It's all about using a gun for its intended purpose. I enjoy the power comparison. I have a 629 smith that is a fabulous woods gun. For hunting I find it to be perfect. Black bear is the biggest threat I have and they usually run away when stumbled upon. I see no need to compare a self defense high capacity semi auto with a classic 6" 44 mag in a self defense situation. I would hate to shoot someone with my 629. This video is to just show the comparison of the power of the 10mm, and how far semi auto pistols have came
Its not metal plate, its sheet metal. there is a world of difference. Thats also the cheap junk your safe is made out of.
AdversaryOmega No, its really not. These safes are a false sense of security. They are light enough to be picked up and carried out by 2 dudes. They know exactly where all your good shit is, in the safe! Duh! Also, they offer very little protection in a fire. So yeah. total false sense of security.
+Diesel Ramcharger how would you know what his safe is made of.
Sawyer Lane Because the runners it ship on are made from the leftover drops from cutting out the safes. You don't really know anything about manufacturing do you? High quality safes don't ship from china bolted to sheet metal skids. Most folks cannot afford a safe that offers actual protection against theft or fire. Go somewhere that stores actual valuables, and look at the safe. No go home and look at your POS gun safe made of folded sheet metal to make it look like steel plate. Enough said.
Also as stated in the comments bellow there are much more powerful .44 magnum rounds. But even with this round that .44 magnum is like twice the size of the 10mm. But you're right, I wouldn't want to be shot at with either one. But I'd probably would have a better chance with a couple sheets of this metal between me and a 10mm.
Buffalo bore sells fmj and hardcast in addition to hollowpoints. It is a cartridge company, not a type of bullet. They sell ammo made in many calibers.
Love that damn 44mag!!! It will be with us for a long time! 10mm is good but 44mag is boss!!!
But even with this round that .44 magnum *that hole is like twice the size of the 10mm.
unfair comparison kinda like 44mag vs 454 casull or 45acp vs 50ae. very different bullets and ballistics. 10mm can compare with 357 mag but 357 will penetrate more.
There is way more than a 200 ft lb difference!! The hottest .44 is 340gr moving at 1500fps vs the hottest 10mm which is 220gr moving at 1200fps!! Huge difference!!! As mentioned below a 10mm should only be compared with a .357 mag!
The question is, how powerfull round do you need in a handgun ? You need to knock down a bull, a person or an armoured vehicle ?
The most powerful round the shooter can expertly control, using a bullet style that will effectively dump most of it's energy inside the target. The aim is to approach a "one shot stop", without over penetrating and endangering others downrange. That means what you load for a hike in the bush where the bears live would be different that what you would carry in the Big City. And, yes I've hiked where the bears live.
Mihai T Do you think bears are funny cuddly cartoon characters? If you surprise a bear on a trail they will kill you in a very brutal and unpleasant way. They bury you in branches and soil and come back to eat you later when your meat has aged a bit. I'd only shoot a bear to protect the life of my family or myself. But, without a very powerful firearm you are not likely to survive an up close encounter with a bear. I'd guess you've never been near the real outdoors.
First, bears are animals,me and you can simply protect ourselves by using our brains.Second, what chances are to bump into each other unless we are do it on purpose ? Bears are teritorial , they do not leave an area unless they can't get any food so, most of the time if you do not cross his place you won't get in trouble.I've been a lot outdoor and I've meet bears and they has run away from me, not because I am a scary person or because I was armed but because they had trouble with humans before.
Mihai T And the time you meet up with a bear who is not afraid of humans? Or get between a mother bear and her cubs by accident? When the raw power of your mind, intellect, and hubris does not stop an enraged bear charge? Read back to "kill you in a very brutal and unpleasant way" A powerful handgun carried by a skilled outdoorsman may never fired on the trail. I would hope it would never have to be. But, If you do meet a rogue Ursus unarmed you will likely not survive. The dying will be brutal, and surviving a mauling might actually be worse.
I have to ask. Do you have the legal ability to freely own a handgun, and carry one in the field in your country? Because I'm wondering if you are really just jealous of the people who live in countries free enough to not ban their citizens from being armed in the outdoors, or even owning firearms? Is this really about "Magnum envy"?
In my country a hand gun is difficult to buy and own a but a rifle made for hunting is relativly easy to legally have . I am not jealous on people who has such handguns like 375 magnum because firearms for me are just tools like a screwdriver or a hammer wich I use and own only if needed . I have met bobcats and bears and never, NEVER need a firearm to protect myself. By the way , how many times have you found yourself in such situations to need a highpower handgun ? The way are you speaking in the forrest raging bears are to be met on every corner !
Sorry, but you used some of the baddest 10mm ammo made, and then went on to use factory/mass produced 44magnum ammo(Apples to Oranges). 180gr is standard for 10mm, but 180gr is super light for 44mag. IMO the 44mag should have been 240gr(standard for caliber). And, had you used Buffalo bore 44mag ammo, there would be no comparison! 10mm is a phenomenal round, but it is NOT a 44mag!
44Mag always wins over 10mm except in capacity. To chuck p below he and most the people replying to him have no clue. While 44mag is not ideal unless in stub or airlite 10mm is probably one of the best self defense calibers there is. The g29 is thee most powerful and feared conceal carry piece there is bit the airlite 44 is made to carry and its what i carry when i dont carry my g29.
44 MAG is the KING of Ding lmao.
to shot a non fixed metal object ruins the test. Re-Do it but with the metal plate fixed.
Bullshit
BULLSHIT
Jim Tinner Whatever dude
Jeff William Whatever dude 2
how if both rounds were used the same way? its not like one was fixed and one wasnt.
Don't really want to nit - pick, but you should have the two pieces, C-clamped together.
Because they are loose, neither caliber can penetrate the back. one.
The 10mm can't come close to the capability of the 44. Just look in ANY reloading manual. Not close to being a contest.
+j rvlvr Look up the ballistics of the full power 10mm load. It was designed to compete with the .357 mag, but is much closer to the .41 mag. Comparing it to the .44 mag isn't really what it was meant to be compared to, but not a bad choice for this guy comparing the one time most powerful revolver to the at one time most powerful auto-pistol.
A reload exponent once told me that the data in the ' older' books differs greatly from the more safe options of today. Personally I believe that 10mm can ' come close ' in terms of brute force, but surpasses in terms of round count. Is it ever ballistically Even..? I don't think that it is apples and apples. I love my 10mm, it shoots incredibly in my opinion, is it a .44mag... Nope. But i have 16 of those and Underwood make some incredibly powerful stuff.
Need to find the old Norma loads for it. I am running a 155gr XTP at 1680fps which gives me 971ftlbs. That with pressure signs just starting to show. Thats a whole 1.5 grs above max in the hornady book.
j rvlvr a real 10mm magnum is superior to the 44 magnum though. 10mm auto has the same max pressure as the 44 magnum if not a little more. With the same bullet weight you are only comparing hole size. A smaller bore vs a larger bore. Velocities will differ subtly in comparative revolvers. But you lose a lot in a auto loader.
44 vs 10mm that's a joke, 357 beats out the 10mm
for an accurate comparison, you must use comparable ammo... you used Buffalo ammo for the 10 mm and PMC for the 44 Mag... you have to use comparable ammo... not just comparable bullet weights...
10mm is insane
actually surprised the 10mm did that well, especially from a shorter barrel.
That´s right, but the Glock can hold more ammo, so both guns have benefits and disadvantages. The .44 is definitely the gun of choice if you want almost unstoppable power, the 10mm is good for pray and spray :)
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The two outer accurate bullet holes are from a german Walther..... after the bullets had gone through a truck :-)
What I would love to see is, 1) put a Lone Wolf 6" barrel on your Glock 20. and 2) using the same weight hard cast bullet. Oh wait we can't because the heaviest 10mm round the Glock 20 can shoot is the 220 gr Buffalo Bore. And in the woods in bear territory I would be carrying the Bullalo Bore 320 gr load. Results will still be subjective to each shooter, as each of us would have a different reason for which one we would carry. Bottom line your chosen caliber you must be happy with, as I have carried both the Glock 20 in 10mm is a much lighter package, and will handle everything in North America.
Why? I mean sure, he could have used loads with twice the energy as those 10mm... he could have used hard cast bullets and punched through both those plates, plus another or two. But what would be the point? It is already known that .44 magnum stomps the pee out of 10mm in terms of energy and penetrating power.
10mm can compete with 357 mag
Note he has hollow points. NOT DESIGNED FOR PENETRATION
Finally bought my G29 , love it ......
Try the carbine for Glock 10mm. Nice!
Try using a FMJ instead of HP with both pistols, those will drill holes in that plate like butter. Those HP are not ment to be armor pircing.
I have 10mm ammo but need a gun, i already own the 44 magnum and love it, I'm looking probably at the Glock G20 fullsize
+Joz Sig You want a 10mm pistol? go for the Glock 40 6 inch factory barrel, with the MOS in gen 4. you'll love it better than the glock 20
+dominic norton I thought about that one too
+Joz Sig I really like the tanfoglio witness hunter
Ruger just came out with a 10mm,better choice.
Joz Sports probably bought your 10mm by now, but in case someone is looking Rock Island has a double stack 1911 in 10mm. Other manufacturers Sig Sauer, Ruger, Glock, Wilson, Colt, and Kimber. From what I know Glock is the only one with compact 10mm. I only know of Rock Island and Glock with double stack magazines in 10mm. I didn't try it but apparently some .45 1911 magazines can hold 10mm.
3/32 isn't much of a plate. 9mm definitely goes through it. Haven't tried 45 acp yet but I'm pretty certain it will. 44mag is a lot more power than 10mm and a whole lot more than a 45acp, but regardless, that plate isn't thick enough to stop bullets.
please dont make another video.
I agree!
Tommy, you've made better videos?
You do know encouraging suicide is illegal and can be punishable by 30 days in jail or a fine of $25,000. Not smart, Gomer.
STRIKERDelta2387 I can do thirty days satting on the toilet
kentucky 82 I don't remember asking you boy.
The 10mm used to be a lot hotter than the current factory loads. I remember some that I use to shoot back in the 80s and 90s that were really hot, seems like they were light FMJ type projectiles (170 grain?) at about 1300 fps. I recall plinking at a dump and shooting diagonally all the way thru on old range like it was butter. That was several layers of steel The stove could not move like this light sheet steel does on the video. You lose a lot of kinetic energy when the steel moves. Good video.
Yea the standard load from norma when the 10mm firat came out was a 180gr bullet at 1300fps or at least 1250 which in turn is 675 footlbs of energy or 650 with the 1250fps
I respect the .44 magnum but with only 5-6 rounds in the cylinder I'll take a 10+ round magazine of 10mm.
No, Canada. We have a 10rd limit unless you can fit a larger caliber magazine with the original caliber for the gun. (Ex. 9mm in .40 mag in a 9mm you can legally have 14+ rounds) But if the mag says 9mm its 10 rounds.
We have an semi auto limit of 5rds so our AR15s come with 5rd magazines but guys can legally fit 14-15 in a .50BMG mag or 10 in an LAR pistol mag. The laws are draconian here but still not as bad as California's.
+Danzo DaManzo I have the glock 40MOS in 10mm I have the lone wolf 6" and 9" barrells
and extended clips, so its 18+ for me,
but in grizzly country the 10mm is HOME and the .44mag with 320 max loads is on the hip... JUST NO COMPARISON FOR the big bear load..
It you cant do it with 6 then 10 wont be much help
I was at the gun store recently and 3 hunters came in who trap up in the arctic and said the 2 of them had to empty their .357 to put down a polar bear. All three ended up ordering S&W Model 460. For home defense or battle you want capacity, when you are messing with a 1000+lb wild animal you want power.
That is why it is possible to shoot an 13.23lb revolver chambered in .600 N.E to be fired with no more felt recoil than the .500 S&W. The weight reduces the recoil velocity to something that the movement of the arms/wrists can dissipate.
The person on the receiving end of this doesn't have that advantage. The energy is dumped very quickly and over a relatively short distance.
Everyone knows a 10mm doesn't compare to 44 but you have 15 rounds of 10 opposed to 5-6 rounds depending on model.and you can shoot 220gr hard cast (with aftermarket barrel in glock) so you can easily ccw with 180gr HP's then switch to 220s when you hit the woods in bear or hog territory. Granted I love both of them.
180 grain .44 Mag?!! Well, I guess you could, but why? I really am curious...
good video and it was nice to see using the same bullet weight but you should of added in the 44 mag using a 240 gr as that is what is mostly used in them also one using the most powerful of bough the 10 ml and the 44 mag.
No doubt.
180grain may as well be a 44 special.
Lets see a 240/300 grain hunting load.
No I am describing two separate equations. No mix up needed, just not enough characters to explain. Force is what creates the energy, it is what acts upon the object. F=MA describes the relationship between forces, mass and acceleration, which is important even when you are talking about quantities of energy and not about the forces in question.
How many millimeters is the street plate???
Bigger hole: the 10mm = about .394 in. diameter, the .44 Mag is actually .429 in. diameter. And using a 240 grain soft nose for the .44 would provide much better penetration than any 10mm load.
the 10mm rocks. WOW! the 44mag is a beast, there both very powerful.
@lacrossplaier55 The box actually says 6.5 inch barrel and I like it alot. It handles 1300 ft lbs energy loads with controllable amount of kick. I can shoot normal loads all day long one handed with out fear of it jumping out of my hand. It really tames the 44 mag round with its porting and weight .
Why'd you use hollow points?
That really undercuts the penetrative capacity of the 10mm, doesn't it? And though I do not expect the 10mm to be truly competitive in many ways with the .44 magnum, to give the latter any advantage in powder charge in addition to the 10mm having a wider cavity and being a jacketed as opposed to small cavity lead hollow point seems like complete overkill in burying the 10mm, and yet, in spite of that, in terms of what was measured here, it still seemed to match up fairly well.
If you were using both FMJ or at least round point and jsp made by the same manufacturer then it would be a good comparison.
You are sure using awfully watered down 44 mag ammo... as compared to buffalo bore in your 10.
Hot 44 mag rounds like Buffalo Bore's are hitting 1300+ ft lbs of energy from my Raging Bull. That's way more power than these in the video. Don't think 460 rowland can mess with that.
@skyhop Which load in .45 Super is surpassing the 10mm Auto on every level?
Buffalo Bore is pretty tight with their velocities:
.45 Super, 200 grain JHP = 1,200fps/M.E.639 ft.lbs.
10mm Auto, 200 grain FMJ = 1,200fps/M.E. 639 ft.lbs.
Not seeing one clearly outdoing the other...
First: That has nothing to do with my response..
Second: Buffalo Bore has all kinds of bullets and doesn't JUST do hollow points..
Third: hollow points are Montana gold bullets which are not even designed to expand. They are strictly for competition.
Fourth: Those PMC 44mag rounds ARE hollow points as well..
Google is your friend.. Remember that..
For some dummies who not doing any research down here. This is not the hottest 10mm alright. The 10mm hottest reload that I have known reach 1124 foot lbs of energy, enough to compare a hot 44 mag out there on the market. References link down here,
Nosler 135gr HP bullets
Starline new brass
CCI #300 primers
14.5gr IMR 800x
1938.2 ft/sec
1929.8 ft/sec
1931.2 ft/sec
1960.3 ft/sec
1931.4 ft/sec
ES: 30.5
MAD: 8.8
Ave: 1939.1 ft/sec
Energy 1124.58 ft/lb
Power Factor: 261.50
@jstutz2003 People always ask about how well a 45 will penetrate, but in reality, it is one of the worst penetrating rounds. It is going too slow for its sectional density..
Did you ever figure out where the second "ding" next to the original 10mm dent came from?
Doubt it, 45 ACP is a low-velocity round.
Great round - But these two cartridges are in the grey area between handgun rounds and rifle rounds. I could be wrong though.