The best bear gun I ever had was a .25 ACP Baby Browning. My friend Paul kept telling me OVER and OVER that it was a horrible choice for defending myself from grizzly bears. Until one fateful day, I proved him wrong. We were out camping in Montana when a Grizzly came around the corner of a gully. Paul panicked! But I took out my baby browning as the Grizzly charged. So I took careful, CAREFUL aim... And shot Paul in the knee. Then I ran. Man, I sure miss Paul.
The first time I saw a .500 mag "bear survival kit" was in Alaska in the early 2000s at a Walmart in Anchorage. I thought it was crazy that Walmart was selling them. The kit included a big can of bear pepper spray and a whistle, which is funny in itself, since people in Alaska say the way to identify bear poop is to look for the whistle.
Have you ever seen or heard anyone talk about seeing a bigfoot or sasquatch up there? I am really curious lately after hearing so many legitimate people tell their stories on Sasquatch Chronicals. After hearing all these people on there talking about the same behaviors they have and the same description of what they look like it starts getting hard to discount what they are saying.
I likened it to shooting a bear in the mouth and having it just barely poke through it's rectum like it was prairie dogging and sucked it back in. Lol.
Here in the Rockies a really large bear would be 800 pounds. That makes penetration an important concern, but shot placement and the ability to a follow up is every bit as important. 😊
@@Nomans_Nomen I have a buddy who survived a momma griz attack here the year we both arrived here. He fell as he walk backwards to escape the attack. It was hunting season so his rofle dispatch mamma while she was on him. With all bear, especially bog bear, penetration is really essential. In my years of hunting in the Rockies, the old timers have taught me to shoot the point of the shoulder if I need to drop a bear.
Always loved this bear joke: Be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter. We advise hikers to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled. Visitors should also carry a pepper spray just in case a bear is encountered. Keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea what bears are in the area. You can recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat. Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries and leaves. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper...
The problem with bear bells is that they're high pitched which makes the noise sound kinda like a tiny animal. The best way to alert a bear of your presence is clapping since it sounds like something breaking branches to them and makes them think that you're much bigger than them.
@@JohnB-dr8sk it’s not so much they ignore them. It makes them apparent your there. Most bear attacks are when a bear is startled and doesn’t realize you were there until your within yards of it. Most bears avoid people. I’ve come around a corner in the woods and watched 800lb grizzly sprint the opposite direction like I was terrifying monster. Because in their eyes we are.
Living in Alaska, bears are a concern. Most people carry 10mm, 44 mag, 454 casull, and I've heard some 480 ruger and 500 s&w. I carry a 1911 converted to 460 Rowland or a 357 with +p hard cast. Fun fact, the most common caliber for successful bear defense in Alaska is 9mm.
i was wondering about that myself....would a 9mm be better due to the high capacity mags available and much less recoil than some of the larger calibers as well as it being a semi auto weapon? im from Kansas and the only time ive ever been in bear country i took two pistols, my glock 19 and a snub nose .38 special. Taking as few chances as possible especially with my kids around. A youtube channel called Scary Bear Attacks recounts many stories where people are just simply unarmed or underarmed in bear country. Personally if i lived in say Alaska id never leave the house without an auto loading larger caliber rifle as well as a pistol on my hip and a very large knife or two.
I wonder if the most successful bear defenses in Alaska with 9mm is more due to how popular 9mm is and just by sheer volume of 9mm carriers, or that it's actually particularly effective on bear.
I did not expect that much penetration from the 10mm. I am duly impressed. All of the revolvers after the .44 just looked like absolute murder on the wrist to shoot. Cool vid.
10mm is prob all around the best, there are more grizzly kills recorded with 9mm than 10mm though. That's not really saying anything though, doesn't mean 9 is better, means it's far more prevalent and can do the job but 10 is definitely without a doubt better, you can't choose when to get attacked by a bear so this statistic doesn't say much, but yeah 9mm is capable and 10mm is almost more than capable
I could not believe my eyes when that 10mm got sucked back in at the end of the last block! I had no idea that much punch was packed in that little gem! Well done sir.
@@AwesomeAcidika if that ain't sucked back in, then I don't know what is! Watch the slow mo again man! The last little membrane of the block deformed 3" beyond its natural state and rebounded with the bullet in it. If it had been 10° hotter the day he filmed, it would probably have blew out the back worse than 9mm vs lungs!
I lived 20 years in Alaska. 12 gauge was my bear medicine of preference. I know guys who carry some truly large cartridge handguns, like the .454 and .500 S&W. The most important thing is shot placement and contollability. If you are going to miss with all 5 or 6 shots, the biggest round is not going to help you. If I had to pick, if I was forced to, I would pick the 10mm or .44 magnum. Those are two I have shot and handled comfortably.
I think I would take both the 12 gauge and a handgun into bear country. If the bear closes the distance and is on top of you, pointing a shotgun is out of the question.
That’s .45-70 did a lot better than I expected out of that short barrel. It looked like it still had a lot more velocity left over when it exited the last block than the .500 magnum did
Speaking from personal experience with the Glock 29SF….I had to shoot a juvenile(but yet still quite large) brown bear in self defense at Bird Creek outside Anchorage Alaska while salmon fishing for silvers and the Glock 29 did not disappoint. I absolutely love that gun and while carrying it in a chest holster you can barely tell it’s there.
@@Ace-tw4fl as crazy as this sounds my dad and I had some hippies come down the woods by the creek and yell at us and say quote “this is the bears land you shouldn’t be fishing here”. Craziest thing I’ve heard in a while. In all fairness it wasn’t the young Brown Bears fault, its mother had been killed so it wasn’t taught how to hunt, so it was just trying to fend for itself.
You are 100% right. I have taken many grizzlies with mine. I have taken all of the big game in North America. Got it for Christmas in 1957 when I was 10. Hasn't failed me yet. I am taking it to Africa this year for Lion, Cape Buffalo and Elephant.
@@mtbasshead I agree. Shooting at a bear that's at or over 50 yards away is not self defense. On the other hand inside 50 feet!?!😨 I certainly don't need to be shooting through him. I just need to get through a bit of air space, some hair, hide and a bone then scramble some stuff up.
@iShtFrmMyDckHle -- Agreed. I was pleasantly amazed to see the 10mm penetrate all but the last inch of gel. One Helluva result given the 10mm was the smallest caliber demonstrated. NOT knocking the other calibers; just pleased to see a $500 handgun can also do the job of a $1000 or more bear defense weapon.
@@mtbasshead well he was using FMJ or penetrators wasn't he? I would at least have JHP or RIP G2 rounds, or if they have Liberty Civil defense for Halo points, I'd carry those.
I lived 20 years in Alaska before moving to the Kentucky. Hands down just about every sourdough goes with a 12 gauge. Pump generally loaded with a tundra mix of 12 gauge slugs and buckshot. Backed up with a handgun. Either a .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum, or .45 ACP. Big caliber handguns are fine, if you can deal with the recoil and fire quickly enough to actually hit the bear, and preferably put it down.
@@thunderthumbz3293 we used to use a lever action 45-70 for our bear gun when we were in Bear country never had to use it but it sure made us feel safer lol
Watched a video just yesterday about a 10mm saving a man and his friends life while bow hunting Elk, a fairly large female grizzly with a cub, attacked em outa nowhere!!! Great video as always brother, always fun to watch!!!!
I do have to say that I was super impressed by that 10mm going as far as it did. a package that small delivering that much is probably your best option
Its a full metal jacket. Betcha a .22LR solid copper would go through 2 of them. It IS NOT your best option. And thats coming from someone whom actually LIVES in grizzly territory.
@@mtbasshead I’ve been doing research for a little over a year because I’m planning on backpacking through bear/moose country. Many people suggest 10mm for the high capacity, lightweight options, and ability for follow up shots. There are manufacturers who make hard-cast bullets, which wasn’t tested here. There was a guy up in Alaska who took out a grizzly bear with 9mm hard-cast (although it took him seven shots). I’m curious, what is your experience? In your opinion, what makes 10mm incapable?
10mm is for smaller bears, large bears can absorb some of those following up shots and keep charging at you, if you only have time to get 1 or 2 shots off you need at least .44 magnum
Just returned from Glacier National Park. Carried a Glock 20 in a Gunfighters INC Kenai Chest Holster loaded with Underwood Ammunition 10mm Auto 220 Grain Hard Cast Flat Nose Box of 20 with the black Cherry coating to protect Glock barrels. I felt it was the perfect combo of gun, holster and ammunition for proper wildlife protection against grizzly and black bear.
My bear gun is a Gen 4 Glock 20 with a KKM precision barrel + compensator loaded with Buffalo Bore 190 grain mono-metal "Dangerous Game" flatnose penetrator rounds. As impressive as those revolvers are, I'd rather have the 15 + 1 of 10mm ammo, especially considering that my wife and my daughter can fire the 10mm quickly and accurately. Unless you're a beast of a man, like Scott, I don't see many people getting a follow-up shot with those revolvers if they miss.
@@ABQSentinel I would rather have the 10 mm too. After seeing Scott shoot the .500's, and .460's, I don't think I would shoot anything stouter than .480 Ruger.
@@Stephen85 Yeah, that 500 Magnum with the 2" barrel looks like something you'd shoot once and then never again. "Aw, f**k it, let the bear eat me, it'll be less painful!"
As an Alaskan with experience getting attacked by a grizzly, I am on the 10mm train (from an M&P or Glock preferably). By the time you get 2 or 3 shots of .357 or .44 magnum off, you could have dumped about 6 or so rounds of 10mm from a semi auto handgun. Maybe you can hit it the first time with one big round, but more than likely the stars will not align well enough for you to get good aim. All that said, against black bears, bear spray works great.
I've been researching bear guns for a little while now, since I'll be moving to Alaska next year, and I heard a lot of people recommending 10mm, and I thought it would be too small of a round. But after seeing this, I see why it's so recommended. You get all that penetration, plus far more rounds in an easier to control package when you're panicking because a bear is charging you. Great vid.
You never want to use any handgun for bear protection BUT if you have to then 10mm with underwood 220g coated hard cast or similar hard cast/mono round that has a full load is a must. Thankfully I’ve only had to use my rifle (usually a 30-06) and never my Glock 20 back up. Also depends on where in AK, big difference between a brown bear and grizzly.
Montana boy here. Seen 9 Grizzly bears in the woods over my mountaineering years. Thankfully, never needed bear spray OR .45 LongColt, but be certain I had BOTH.
the luck of that first shot is absolutely amazing. the bullet technically went through them all but some mysterious force pulled it back into the jelly block.
Man every time Scott fires a massive handgun and then giggles, i just lose it. I can almost feel his sense of glee through my screen. Great video Scott and keep on trucking!
The dirty truth of the 10mm is, most 'off the shelf' factory ammo is loaded to 40cal specs. To get true 10mm performance, you have to either hand load your own, or purchase from the premium vendors, like Underwood, CorBon, Buffalo bore, and a few others.
I was absolutely shocked that the 10 mm perform that well with the ballistics gel! It is extremely fast wouldn't mind carrying one with a few hollow points followed by hard cast in the clip! But I would definitely take the 500 for bear you just don't want to miss LOL
Agree but this test was sort of bad for comparing what’s actually best for bears. It’s the bulletproof factor of bear skulls/skin that needs to be beaten, not a soft flesh penetrating depth. If I remember correctly, most Alaskan guys don’t carry smaller than a 44.
@@carsonhunt4642 Im in MT and personally carry a glock 20 (well a P80 PF945 in 10mm) yes a wheel gun has more energy but 16 round capacity is what does it for me. You want to mechanically break down the bear in the shoulders and spine so it cannot move, not head shot it.
I've been carrying a backup 10mm for a few yrs.. In black bear country.. Probably still would prefer it in Grizzly country just because I practice drawing, firing and reloading it much more than any other firearm. I'm confident with it, and I know I can draw and get 3 rounds off with it to one round of heavy kicking magnum revolver.
@@Wadley225...It it lost popularity because women and agents of small stature couldn't qualify in their shooting qualification tests given by the FBI and other various agencies. The FBI commissioned Winchester and Smith & Wesson to create the 40 caliber, which was a shorter version of the 10mm, as a compromise between 10mm power and 9mm ease of control and recoil.
I'd probably go with the 10mm, while the others may pack more punch, the difference in recoil would make another shot on target difficult. Awesome video! Keep them coming!
thats why practice is so important, the 10mm might get the job done, but taking chances vs a bear isnt my idea of a good time, id rather train with something larger and hope i just never needed it tbh. honestly tho, i just wont go where bears are, biggest animal near me are deer so like, eh.
@@bored588 the only thing a larger bullet does for you is gives you a slightly better chance at hitting something important. Every round shown today could zip through most bears. 10mm is a .40-ish caliber round. Not that much smaller than say .500 mag. I think the benifits of shooting comfortably with good follow up shots is better than carrying a handcannon that might not drop bears in one shot. Living creature kinda have a "well I am going to take you with me" effect after they realize they have been fatally wounded.
My choice is the 454 casull. I think for bear you need to be able to get back on target and keep rounds going down range. So bigger might not be better. But any one of those would definitely be a good bear deterrent. Hopefully the 1000bl grizzly stops.
I know penetration is important but watch the expansion of the wound channel in the first block, the energy dumped by the 500 is remarkable, as an owner of a 454 casull,im impressed
I bought my first Ruger Super RedHawk 454 around 2002 and I fell in love with that round instantly, and the gun as well. It was a mat stainless finish with an 8” barrel, the grip was exceptional in stock form, and I love that you could get all that power without having to carry such a large frame revolver like the .500. S&W. I bought another identical one a few years later then eventually broke down and bought a 460 S&W Alaskan, I love that one as well but the Ruger 454 will always be my favorite
I like the 10mm but in a bigger frame with more capacity. This was a great video and the entertainment value and upbeat attitude unbeatable. I really enjoyed this. Thanks so much.
It amazed me too, especially this is just a commercial rifle round with rifle powder... I truely wonder how it would perform with a proper handgun powderload!!!
@@nunninkav *If you are a feminine kinda fella I guess. My 10yr old grandson shoots my Marlin guide 45-70, with hot hand loads with no issues. And yes I said "hand LOADS" ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!* 🤦🏻
@@fabienb1892 Can't speak to the snubnose, but I daily carried one of the standard 7" for 3 years. A case full of TrailBoss powder is quite fine to shoot, 340 gr at 1400 fps, and feels about like a .44mag snubnose to shoot. The limiting factor is not the powder burning (though it always wastes a fair bit, being a revolver), nor the recoil. The limiting factor in the loads you can shoot is the rifling twisting the gun _sideways_ out of your hand. It gets quite uncomfortable to hold on to when you get up into the 1900+fps range. Also, the accuracy starts to drop off as the muzzle jump (the amount the muzzle rises _before_ the bullet leaves the end of the barrel) is substantial and difficult to control. Never used modern pistol powder, H335 is plenty to make a loud bang and reach 1900fps.
He actually did a .454 video like 5 years ago, but yeah it would be cool if he revisited it. Here's the video if you haven't seen it /watch?v=DeGveytigQk
For raw power, it looked like the .45-70 to me. The shock waves it sent rippling through the gel was awesome, and in the slo-mo, it looked like the bullet went straight through and out the back.
Great video... thank you. I carry a Colt Combat Commander with a Rowland 460 conversion kit, and use Underwood 200 grain Lehigh Extreme Penetrator Monolithic round. Good for power and follow-up. Very similar to the 10 mm with 200 more foot pounds.
So of all these short barrelled guns, I'd say that the 10mm performed the best overall. Has the highest capacity in case you miss your first shot, has the least recoil again if you miss your first shot, and penetrated all the way through and got sucked back due to the elasticity of the gel. Against a bear's noggin, I'd say it's sufficient.
You nailed it. 10mm all day long. Truthfully, any handgun will probably require multiple shots on a bear to take it down. They can take some real damage before you slow them down. Then factoring in fear response, time to regroup, and getting on target, I'd take the G29 all day long. With it there's so much you don't have to think about in a high stress situation. Plus, if you have to fire more than once, getting back on target with the Glock would be a piece of cake compare to those other guns.
10mm is my choice. But if I could shoot 44 magnum as well and quickly as I can shoot 10mm I’d definitely carry it instead. And even though I can’t I still bring the 44 magnum with me occasionally. Just cause nothing goes better than the great outdoors and a nice revolver. But yes…. I think 10mm is the obvious best choice.
@@squidy4082 Big game is thick, and usually contains a very high muscle density. You need more penetration to reliably hit the vitals, especially in bears as they have very thick, very hard skulls. Hollow points would stop too early, or fragment, as well as a softer cast projectile. Hope that helps.
@@squidy4082 Correct, in big game animals usually you aren't too worried about over penetration, unless you're using .50 bmg. It's highly unlikely to over penetrate, but hollow points are almost guaranteed to stop before the vitals. Not 100% but damn near. If you look up "safari ammo" you'll see nearly all of it is hard cast or jacketed.
For us older folk who don’t have wrists of iron, Underwood also has an Xtreme Penetrator bullet in .357 magnum (140 grain, 1550 fps, 747 ft-lbs) - it would be interesting to see how well that bullet does in your bear test. For comparison the 10 mm / 200 grain FMJ bullet u shot is rated at 1250 fps and 694 ft-lbs. Thanks! - very informative and entertaining video!
I always carried a Ruger SS Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel, .45 Colt. loaded with my hand load, Nosler 300 gr partition, 1100 fps. I never shot a bear with it, but it will send a Chevy small black to the scrap yard.
Carried 10mm for a couple years. Favorite saying that I've found is "10mm good for the hoods and good for the woods". And that Glock 29 with a hogue grip and pinky extension on the magazines is one of my favorite to shoot!
@@rzerizrz A 45-70 is a rifle cartridge for one and it’s wildly powerful. It’s not a quick engage weapon though like a pistol is. .500 magnum is more a novelty gun than anything. Yes extremely powerful, but it’s a one and done in my book. The muzzle rise and recoil are much too great for an accurate follow up shot. 10mm not as powerful as even a .41 mag. But it’s very versatile, holds a lot of rounds with very manageable recoil and muzzle rise.
Off the shelf ammo for 10 mm sux. My midrange load 200 grains are faster than any off the shelf same weight and lighter bullet. Underwood though is a different story. Been testing pure zinc. Softer than copper so easier on the barrel and expands on hard
I’d go with the 10mm. I carry the glock 20 in 10mm which is their full size frame with a standard barrel. I carry it in a chest holster. 15 +1 rounds, easy target acquisition, and its very easy to make follow up shots. The recoil is about like a .40S&w or a 45acp.
That's a good amount of 10mm to have and very well might discourage a charge. But if you go and watch any people who give tour guides through Bear country or host bear hunts they will tell you the 10 mm is a poor choice. I'm not knocking your choice I'm just telling you what I've heard from several bear hunt guides.
Get the Glock 40 bro 10 mm ! I’m not kidding g when I say the recoil is like a 22 loud but your doesn’t even move ! I could hit a target one eye closed meeting every follow up shot with a 30 round! I got some videos
That 10mm was one of the coolest things I have ever seen.. it went all the way to the end, just about came out and git pulled back in the very end.. the slo-mo was soo darn cool..
Having only ever had to deal with black bears my preference was the Colt Python. I take the .357 over the ones you demonstrated due to my familiarity with it, thus giving me a lowered chance of fumbling the firearm or missing while dealing with the massive adrenalin rush that comes with an emergency encounter with a bear. As a side note going to the range with it is cheaper as I use .38 specials when practicing. Not as much kick but I am practicing hitting my target not holding on to it lol.
I carry a P365 XL w/ext mag and buffalo bore 9mm +p 147gr. Hard Cast. Looking at the slow mo you’ll see the biggest problem with all that high caliber stuff. Good luck getting more than one shot off on angry bear.
I guess the case is solved. Who better to talk about bear defense than a North American Tool Bear. Love the channel and am now hopelessly addicted to Skil's pwrcore12 tools.
My Uncle was attacked by a brown bear, and he carried a .44 magnum, and he told me that he put 3 shots into the Charging Bear and it did Nothing but make it angry. Ever since then when he goes into the Woods, he Carries a .45-70 lever action. he doesn't trust handguns to do the job reliably.
I joke with my shooting buddies who don't have one that 10mm is like 9mm but for men. 😜 It's almost worked a couple times, I could see them thinking about seeing what the local shop has in stock. The inconsistent nature of locally available ammo in full vs reduced power loads is a touch frustrating, but not a deal breaker.
@@jakefromstatefarm1405 *Must not of "loved" it but so much, if you don't still have it. Let me guess, the gecko from the Geico commercial stole it, Jake from State Farm.* 🤔
Damn 10mm is insanely impressive, ngl. The penetration is at least, but I'd like to see maybe a video comparing the entry/exit wounds for these calibers. Good stuff Scott! 👍
Kind of hard to find a place where there are no bears but then again bears aren't bloodthirsty beasts looking to tear Us to shreds most of them just want to be left the hell alone
@@c.h.u.d There are a lot of bears here in Minnesota, but I live in the southwestern part of the state and they just aren't around. I do enjoy traveling up north and seeing the bears though.
I find it so ironic that the bear is minding his own business in his own environment when we come along intruding, the bear is afraid, tries to protect himself, and we shoot him in self defense? I understand not wanting to get killed by a bear but isn't that a risk one takes when going where bears are present? There are also a lot less lethal ways to get a bear to back off. Bears are social creatures, have a family, and are often simply protecting their family from a perceived threat. What happens to the rest of their family if they get killed for simply being in their environment at the wrong time? I used to dive and was around sharks all the time. When they came too close they got punched in the nose however they had no interest in me 95% of the time. I would think most bears just want to be left the hell alone and don't care for humans intruding into their environment. Agree with C.H.U.D. below.
I'm glad to say I have two of the 5 guns you showed here. M&P 45acp is what I carry on the ranch in Texas. Best part, we don't have bears! I'm so deep on the ranch I rarely see people and the ones I do see are relatives... Life is GOOD!
My personal favorite is Freedom Arms Casull. Very rarely does anyone mention it, but in my book, Freedom Arms makes the finest revolvers ever made and the Cadull will stop anything out there.
.44 Mag for me. I'm not a small guy, so I could handle something larger, but there's a sweet spot between power and manageable recoil, in my opinion. Big deal if you need to get off multiple shots.
I'm new to guns and bears and I would have a hard time with extreme recoil because I have Carpal Tunnel .. so with all of that in mind which gun would guarantee the bear stopped if I got into hunting? Ty in advance.
@@montyrayza7220 - there's really no gun that can guarantee to stop a bear. The first thing you need to worry about is what size handgun can you comfortably handle and shoot accurately under pressure. Doesn't make any sense to carry a .50 cal handgun if you can't shoot it. From there, remember that a well-placed .357 round is going to do a lot more damage than a .50 cal round that misses completely. For me, a .44 is a gun that I can handle and can do significant damage with a well-placed round. Also, are we talking about black bears, grizzlies, or brown bears? Big difference. Scott
@@montyrayza7220 44s hurt if you have carpal tunnel. Sometimes they hurt, even if you don't. 357mag w/ a 6" barrel is easy to shoot and is plenty for black bears but I have heard of a grizzly being taken down w/ one. Barrel length matters and a 357 really needs 6" to get close to full power/effect.
It doesn't prove anything. It's been known for a long time the 10mm is sufficient to take down bears, the only people who disagree with this are wheeliegun boomer fanbois.. But there is something wrong with this test. If you look up the specs of those two ammos on the Underwood website the 44 magnum has almost twice the energy.
Sectional density and caliber of the gun (caliber as in length of barrel to diameter) are part of it. The shorter barrel is a bigger handicap for the larger calibers. I bet if he used a short barrel 357 it would have penetrated fully through the four blocks. For the record I carry a 10mm in Wyoming/Montana.
I live in rural Alaska, lived rural for over twenty years. I know plenty of Alaskan folks in their 20s and 30s who swear by their 44mags and 454 casulls over 10mm. You sound like someone who watches everyrhing TFBTV puts out😅
OKAY ALL, this is a general reply to each of those who commented on my comment. Boy does this topic get some folks in a tizzy. My remark/comment stand on their own merits. I did not address any caliber as being better than another. Clearly the 45-70 handgun and the 500 mag delivers the most on the target. I merely agreed that based on gel penetration, the 10mm is sufficient, if properly loaded, to deal with an angry Brown bear. Nothing more. Those of you who infer and then comment on things I DID NOT SAY are the ones with an issue. Perhaps remedial reading and comprehension instruction would assist some in grasping a comment. No one need to defend any personal preference. I DID NOT call into question anyone elses' choices, now did I? Lastly, will anyone comment on this retort of mine w/o using the hipster phrase "triggered?" Not at all "triggered." Just educating those with flawed inferences. Have fun kiddies, and try to be nice to each other. It's not that damned hard.
@@TheGDizzo still better than 5-8 of a revolver plus loading a new mag is quicker than loading a cylinder unless you have and are good with speedloaders
@@jameskazd9951 youre not going to have time to reload either so its irrelevant. If you havent stopped the bear within 3-4 shots then youre screwed. Ill take the heavier bullet
@@TheGDizzo if you aren't worried about concealing it then the extra .5 or so inches the 15 rounder sticks out isn't going to be a problem, personally if I was backpacking I'd have a 30 round mag packed as well
I live off the grid high in the mountains and have owned and use a Ruger 44mag Vaquero with a cross draw holster and Winchester Model 94 "Trapper" 44mag in combo since 2004 these are my guns of choice living up here in the great white north because of bears...smiles
I'd like to see a video with those handguns showing 4 shots one after the other to give a proper representation of the recoil recovery time if you were to actually have to defend against a bear 🐻.
Wow. That 500 showed the infamous "DoubleTap" when the gun recoiled away from Scott's trigger finger, and then due to the overall dynamics, the trigger got fully pulled again. I say again, WOW!
i was looking at that, but it seems to me it was not a double tap, the cylinder is not rotating and the hammer looks to go back before the recoil triggerpull which does not look like a full triggerpull... can the hammer fly back a second time because of the recoil? looked weird though!
@@ralphbooger4756 - Good catch, I didn't notice the lack of cylinder rotation. I'll have to go back and look at it again on a bigger screen. The hammer *shouldn't* fly back like that, no. At least not according to everything I've ever learned.
i just looked at it again, and also on the 460 does the hammer fly back a second time but not as much as the 500 where it goes all the way back... on the other revolvers too except the single action but just a little bit, could it just be the recoil or primer sending it back? is this what happens on a double tap, the shooter pulls the trigger and rotates the cylinder but the hammer goes off on its own? would that also make the trigger pull much lighter without having to also pull the hammer back?
I'm fairly sure the hammer just bounced back, I didn't see the trigger reset and it would certainly be very apparent due to long trigger pull if revolvers. The cylinder wouldn't turn so the hammer would just harmlessly jump on an empty casing.
Scott. A new hand cannon has become available. Tis the .500 Bushwhacker from Magnum Research in the BFR series. Love to see you blast some ballistics gel with it.
So many questions: how many gel blocks equates to the tough bear hide and hair? What about capacity, and recoil mitigation for follow up shots? And how fast can you get those off accurately? This episode left a little to be desired. Anyway, g29 out of those today, but sig tenx, or Springfield for me.
For the handguns I would either go with a .44 magnum or 10mm. I know the smaller guns are easier to carry around, but when it comes to bears I'd want to give the gun as much of a chance at dropping the beast in as short a time as possible so I'd have full sized guns. The 10mm would be able to lay down a lot of pain quicker than the .44, so I would probably go for that one. Thankfully not near bear territory so I'm not in immediate need of those cartridges, but I still want one gun for each.
The smallest calibre you can use for wilderness defence here in Canaderp is 357 magnum with the common being 10mm or 44 magnum. This applies to handguns, with the non-restricted option being a shotgun.
@@1014p na that’d be here in Australia! They implemented a new system at the indoor firing range that has the handgun mounted in a metal frame suspended on cables only pointing down range due to random depressed types choosing to ventilate themselves while in a booked session!
@@jakerubino3233 that is at the public ‘shoot a gun’ type ranges dude, if you want a proper experience join a gun club. It takes a while before you can get a decent firearm, but it is possible.
@@jakerubino3233 the biggest hazard when joining some gun clubs is having a beard of sufficient stature, and in many cases having a liver that can withstand the constant bombardment. Speaking from the perspective of someone that is not a member of one, but has been fortunate enough to have many friends that are, who are also generous in allowing me to shoot all manner of things. So, not a hardcore member, just riding on their coattails.
I'd take the 10mm or maybe the 44 mag. I guess the revolver has the benefit of no jamming, but the extra ammo of the 10 mm is nice too. I'll take both.
This video shows what a lot of other ballistics tests have shown with the 10mm having very low expansion channel damage but amazing depth, and then the 44 Magnum having much more expansion channel damage than the 10mm but less depth. I've seen something similar to this in videos comparing .38 special plus p vs .357 mag, and the 38 special plus p had slightly more depth but the 357 having much more expansion channel damage.
Remember…there is NO giveaway. I hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching!!!
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You scammed us:((. Atleast we saw a bear
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What is the goofy vehicle at the start?!!?!?!?! 😂
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The best bear gun I ever had was a .25 ACP Baby Browning. My friend Paul kept telling me OVER and OVER that it was a horrible choice for defending myself from grizzly bears. Until one fateful day, I proved him wrong.
We were out camping in Montana when a Grizzly came around the corner of a gully. Paul panicked! But I took out my baby browning as the Grizzly charged. So I took careful, CAREFUL aim...
And shot Paul in the knee. Then I ran.
Man, I sure miss Paul.
Dude... That's not funny..
It's effing hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I thought you were going to say you threw the gun and ran.
Can't stop laughing the lead in was perfect...great old joke
HAHAHAHA that's hilarious 😂
You did prove him wrong, dead wrong hahahaha
The first time I saw a .500 mag "bear survival kit" was in Alaska in the early 2000s at a Walmart in Anchorage. I thought it was crazy that Walmart was selling them. The kit included a big can of bear pepper spray and a whistle, which is funny in itself, since people in Alaska say the way to identify bear poop is to look for the whistle.
DAMN that was funny, look for the whistle, I gonna use that for sure.
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Have you ever seen or heard anyone talk about seeing a bigfoot or sasquatch up there? I am really curious lately after hearing so many legitimate people tell their stories on Sasquatch Chronicals. After hearing all these people on there talking about the same behaviors they have and the same description of what they look like it starts getting hard to discount what they are saying.
@@imjustaguy8232 omfg dude seriously?
@@imjustaguy8232 love Wes Germers show! You are probably a fan of The Confessionals too.
That 10mm shot at the beginning was the COOLEST slow-mo I've ever seen. It was suctioned back in. Just amazing.
I let out an audible, "OOH!"
I have a Glock 20sf and I love it! I’ve put about 700 rounds through it not one issue.
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@@hillbillyhippie597 I've shot the 40 and LOVED it. Don't imagine the 20 is too shabby. I'd be happy with either.
yea that’s 1 in a million right there
I likened it to shooting a bear in the mouth and having it just barely poke through it's rectum like it was prairie dogging and sucked it back in. Lol.
That first round not going all the way through by a millimeter was art
Scott you’re the homie, thanks bruther
Yea😊
Big fan btw
Whacker
It's the guy!
The man, the MYTH, the Pastry!
That first 10mm shot might be the most satisfying ballistic gel shot I've ever seen
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@@3313-c2j no
38. Is good also
Seeing the 10mm stretch the gel and get sucked back in was amazing, and overall was very impressive.
Right no wonder my brother prefers the Glock 29 over my 6 inch barrel Glock 40
I love my 10mm
Here in the Rockies a really large bear would be 800 pounds. That makes penetration an important concern, but shot placement and the ability to a follow up is every bit as important. 😊
@@Nomans_Nomen I have a buddy who survived a momma griz attack here the year we both arrived here. He fell as he walk backwards to escape the attack. It was hunting season so his rofle dispatch mamma while she was on him.
With all bear, especially bog bear, penetration is really essential.
In my years of hunting in the Rockies, the old timers have taught me to shoot the point of the shoulder if I need to drop a bear.
@@griz326 What is a bog bear? Never heard of them before.
@@deanallman2506 That's a fat-fingered bear ;)
Always loved this bear joke:
Be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
We advise hikers to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking.
The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled.
Visitors should also carry a pepper spray just in case a bear is encountered.
Keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea what bears are in the area.
You can recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries and leaves.
Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper...
The problem with bear bells is that they're high pitched which makes the noise sound kinda like a tiny animal. The best way to alert a bear of your presence is clapping since it sounds like something breaking branches to them and makes them think that you're much bigger than them.
Bear bells work in areas where bears aren't used to hearing them. But in areas where they hear them a lot they often ignore them.
@@JohnB-dr8sk it’s not so much they ignore them. It makes them apparent your there. Most bear attacks are when a bear is startled and doesn’t realize you were there until your within yards of it. Most bears avoid people. I’ve come around a corner in the woods and watched 800lb grizzly sprint the opposite direction like I was terrifying monster. Because in their eyes we are.
The natives in Montana call the little bells a dinner bell and the pepper spray a condiment!
Love how I’m fully invested in this and I’ve never seen a bear where I live
There's always something or someone out there that might get you, better be prepared than sorry.
Id rather have 500 magnum on me and no encounter than not having one and ....you get the picture
12 gauge buckshot will stop anything I come across
@@morgansmusicreview6369 hell yeah, especially if it's semi auto.
A bear could be a furry pedo son of the "president" on crack. Crack makes em hard to stop.
Living in Alaska, bears are a concern. Most people carry 10mm, 44 mag, 454 casull, and I've heard some 480 ruger and 500 s&w. I carry a 1911 converted to 460 Rowland or a 357 with +p hard cast. Fun fact, the most common caliber for successful bear defense in Alaska is 9mm.
i was wondering about that myself....would a 9mm be better due to the high capacity mags available and much less recoil than some of the larger calibers as well as it being a semi auto weapon? im from Kansas and the only time ive ever been in bear country i took two pistols, my glock 19 and a snub nose .38 special. Taking as few chances as possible especially with my kids around. A youtube channel called Scary Bear Attacks recounts many stories where people are just simply unarmed or underarmed in bear country. Personally if i lived in say Alaska id never leave the house without an auto loading larger caliber rifle as well as a pistol on my hip and a very large knife or two.
I have an FNX-45T that I'm planning on sending to the Rowland folks, 13 rounds of that should be enough for most living creatures today
I wonder if the most successful bear defenses in Alaska with 9mm is more due to how popular 9mm is and just by sheer volume of 9mm carriers, or that it's actually particularly effective on bear.
scott really need to get a 460 rowland on camera
@@justindearmond1 I believe not, it doesn't have the stopping power
I did not expect that much penetration from the 10mm. I am duly impressed. All of the revolvers after the .44 just looked like absolute murder on the wrist to shoot. Cool vid.
they are one shot wonders. you get one shot, then have to wear a cast on your wrist for 6 weeks 😂
10MM is best MM. Love me my G20
What you mean that 500 smith and Wesson is my everyday carry smh
10mm is prob all around the best, there are more grizzly kills recorded with 9mm than 10mm though. That's not really saying anything though, doesn't mean 9 is better, means it's far more prevalent and can do the job but 10 is definitely without a doubt better, you can't choose when to get attacked by a bear so this statistic doesn't say much, but yeah 9mm is capable and 10mm is almost more than capable
oh but you better not have a brace tho
I could not believe my eyes when that 10mm got sucked back in at the end of the last block! I had no idea that much punch was packed in that little gem!
Well done sir.
Oh yeah. 10mm is a friggin *SCREAMER* of a cartridge.
10mm is a gigachad round
it didn't get sucked back in, it just didn't go all the way through the last block. Only a small amount more and it'd have gone through.
@@AwesomeAcidika if that ain't sucked back in, then I don't know what is! Watch the slow mo again man! The last little membrane of the block deformed 3" beyond its natural state and rebounded with the bullet in it.
If it had been 10° hotter the day he filmed, it would probably have blew out the back worse than 9mm vs lungs!
@@matthasaname na it’s just 10s so mean it was goin back for more..I’ve got ones loaded to loop round come back to me after they defeat the threat…
Legend has it that the 500 magnum bullet is still travelling to this day, flying through ballistic gel bear after ballistic gel bear.
I lived 20 years in Alaska. 12 gauge was my bear medicine of preference. I know guys who carry some truly large cartridge handguns, like the .454 and .500 S&W. The most important thing is shot placement and contollability. If you are going to miss with all 5 or 6 shots, the biggest round is not going to help you. If I had to pick, if I was forced to, I would pick the 10mm or .44 magnum. Those are two I have shot and handled comfortably.
I think I would take both the 12 gauge and a handgun into bear country. If the bear closes the distance and is on top of you, pointing a shotgun is out of the question.
That is pretty much what most of us did. I carried a Glock 21 in .45ACP in addition to my 12 gauge or my M1A1 if I was hunting, or out hiking.
If only had time to get off one shot - would you choose the 10 mm?
That 10mm round not making it through, by being pulled back by the gel, was oddly cool and satisfying.
That first shot slow mo view was awesome. I was not expecting the bullet to get sucked back in like that.
The way Scott giggled when he pushed that 45-70 shell out had me dying for laughter
That’s .45-70 did a lot better than I expected out of that short barrel. It looked like it still had a lot more velocity left over when it exited the last block than the .500 magnum did
Ur right the glock 29 is small, sleek and quick to draw and still could put up a fight to raw-power revolvers
Watching that round run through that gel like it wasn’t there even in super slow mo was hilarious
The shockwave on the inside of the gel with the 45-70 was INSANE! Loved seeing the 10mm catch at the very end too!
I love that someone thought that 45-70 needed a +P. 😂
@@brianwright9514 there’s no such thing as too much
Scott's lil giggle after he shoots a big gun will NEVER get old
It's little not lil..
@@andrewramirez5247 dude you might want to consider getting a hobby.
@@winning71able Likewise "dude"..
I agree 🤣🤣🤣
@@tonylawrence1814 with who.. lol
The power on that 45-70 is absolutely insane
I didn't know I wanted one until I saw that shot!
Speaking from personal experience with the Glock 29SF….I had to shoot a juvenile(but yet still quite large) brown bear in self defense at Bird Creek outside Anchorage Alaska while salmon fishing for silvers and the Glock 29 did not disappoint. I absolutely love that gun and while carrying it in a chest holster you can barely tell it’s there.
Wow, that's wild. What kind of ammo did you use and how many rounds before the bear stopped it's charge?
You see any commies?
My brother Carries a 10mm as well. I agree the chest holster is nice. And it’s also nice that your not limited to 8 shots like a revolver.
@@JohnB-dr8sk 155 grain hunting/self defense underwood ammo
@@Ace-tw4fl as crazy as this sounds my dad and I had some hippies come down the woods by the creek and yell at us and say quote “this is the bears land you shouldn’t be fishing here”. Craziest thing I’ve heard in a while. In all fairness it wasn’t the young Brown Bears fault, its mother had been killed so it wasn’t taught how to hunt, so it was just trying to fend for itself.
I gotta go with the Daisy Red Rider. The 650 round capacity puts it in a class by itself!
You are 100% right. I have taken many grizzlies with mine. I have taken all of the big game in North America. Got it for Christmas in 1957 when I was 10. Hasn't failed me yet. I am taking it to Africa this year for Lion, Cape Buffalo and Elephant.
I've taken a lot of nasty looking soda cans, with mine! 😂🍻
Wasteland reference lol
Just remember to wear your safety glasses ----- so you don't shoot your eye out !
Plus it’s got a compass in the stock, so there’s that.
I was gonna say 10mm myself, compact, powerful, capacity, and faster follow up shots. I was actually really surprised how well it did.
Penetration means nothing without cavitation. You DO NOT want a 10 mm if youre face to face with a grizzly!!!!
@@mtbasshead I agree. Shooting at a bear that's at or over 50 yards away is not self defense. On the other hand inside 50 feet!?!😨 I certainly don't need to be shooting through him. I just need to get through a bit of air space, some hair, hide and a bone then scramble some stuff up.
@iShtFrmMyDckHle -- Agreed. I was pleasantly amazed to see the 10mm penetrate all but the last inch of gel. One Helluva result given the 10mm was the smallest caliber demonstrated. NOT knocking the other calibers; just pleased to see a $500 handgun can also do the job of a $1000 or more bear defense weapon.
@@mtbasshead well he was using FMJ or penetrators wasn't he? I would at least have JHP or RIP G2 rounds, or if they have Liberty Civil defense for Halo points, I'd carry those.
@@mtbasshead Liberty Civil Defense 10mm 60gr Halo points going at 2400fps packs quite a punch
Would have been nice to test a 454 Casull before the 460.
I lived 20 years in Alaska before moving to the Kentucky. Hands down just about every sourdough goes with a 12 gauge. Pump generally loaded with a tundra mix of 12 gauge slugs and buckshot. Backed up with a handgun. Either a .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum, or .45 ACP. Big caliber handguns are fine, if you can deal with the recoil and fire quickly enough to actually hit the bear, and preferably put it down.
Why you leaved Alaska?
A 45-70 lever action seems to do more damage than a shotgun and its easier to aim at a target that is moving 20 to 30 mph at you compared to a pistol.
@@thunderthumbz3293 we used to use a lever action 45-70 for our bear gun when we were in Bear country never had to use it but it sure made us feel safer lol
@@kacpermuszalski7666 leavened**
@@avlinrbdig5715 Right Mr.
Watched a video just yesterday about a 10mm saving a man and his friends life while bow hunting Elk, a fairly large female grizzly with a cub, attacked em outa nowhere!!! Great video as always brother, always fun to watch!!!!
I do have to say that I was super impressed by that 10mm going as far as it did. a package that small delivering that much is probably your best option
I agree.
That's exactly why the CIA went for it for the MP5's, the best of both worlds i guess.
Its a full metal jacket. Betcha a .22LR solid copper would go through 2 of them. It IS NOT your best option. And thats coming from someone whom actually LIVES in grizzly territory.
@@lucarmyfool4800 Except they cia dosent use FMJ's bud. They use Critical Duty
@@mtbasshead I’ve been doing research for a little over a year because I’m planning on backpacking through bear/moose country. Many people suggest 10mm for the high capacity, lightweight options, and ability for follow up shots. There are manufacturers who make hard-cast bullets, which wasn’t tested here. There was a guy up in Alaska who took out a grizzly bear with 9mm hard-cast (although it took him seven shots).
I’m curious, what is your experience? In your opinion, what makes 10mm incapable?
10mm all the way. The recoil is manageable, affordable(in comparison with the others tested) and quick for follow up shots!
10 millimeter is best millimeter
10mm is for smaller bears, large bears can absorb some of those following up shots and keep charging at you, if you only have time to get 1 or 2 shots off you need at least .44 magnum
No more than a bee sting to a determined bear.
A strong 8 is enough I suppose, 4/5 shots would be enough
I've heard tales about wastelanders taking down deathclaws with 10mm. That round is a beast!
Just returned from Glacier National Park. Carried a Glock 20 in a Gunfighters INC Kenai Chest Holster loaded with Underwood Ammunition 10mm Auto 220 Grain Hard Cast Flat Nose Box of 20 with the black Cherry coating to protect Glock barrels. I felt it was the perfect combo of gun, holster and ammunition for proper wildlife protection against grizzly and black bear.
Super impressed with the 10mm performance, I knew it was a potent round, but holy cow!!! Thanks Scott!
full power 10mm has very similar ballistics to .357 magnum, so yea its pretty strong
My bear gun is a Gen 4 Glock 20 with a KKM precision barrel + compensator loaded with Buffalo Bore 190 grain mono-metal "Dangerous Game" flatnose penetrator rounds. As impressive as those revolvers are, I'd rather have the 15 + 1 of 10mm ammo, especially considering that my wife and my daughter can fire the 10mm quickly and accurately. Unless you're a beast of a man, like Scott, I don't see many people getting a follow-up shot with those revolvers if they miss.
@@ABQSentinel flatnose + penetrator don't go together
@@ABQSentinel I would rather have the 10 mm too. After seeing Scott shoot the .500's, and .460's, I don't think I would shoot anything stouter than .480 Ruger.
@@Stephen85 Yeah, that 500 Magnum with the 2" barrel looks like something you'd shoot once and then never again. "Aw, f**k it, let the bear eat me, it'll be less painful!"
As an Alaskan with experience getting attacked by a grizzly, I am on the 10mm train (from an M&P or Glock preferably). By the time you get 2 or 3 shots of .357 or .44 magnum off, you could have dumped about 6 or so rounds of 10mm from a semi auto handgun. Maybe you can hit it the first time with one big round, but more than likely the stars will not align well enough for you to get good aim. All that said, against black bears, bear spray works great.
also the extra penetration is not very helpful unless you just happen to nail it in the upper skull I guess
but bears are so cuddly and cute
yeah lol
Glock the best👍💯
@@redactedcanceledcensored6890 😂
I've been researching bear guns for a little while now, since I'll be moving to Alaska next year, and I heard a lot of people recommending 10mm, and I thought it would be too small of a round. But after seeing this, I see why it's so recommended. You get all that penetration, plus far more rounds in an easier to control package when you're panicking because a bear is charging you. Great vid.
I read many Alaskans use a Red Hawk ?
You never want to use any handgun for bear protection BUT if you have to then 10mm with underwood 220g coated hard cast or similar hard cast/mono round that has a full load is a must. Thankfully I’ve only had to use my rifle (usually a 30-06) and never my Glock 20 back up. Also depends on where in AK, big difference between a brown bear and grizzly.
Montana boy here. Seen 9 Grizzly bears in the woods over my mountaineering years. Thankfully, never needed bear spray OR .45 LongColt, but be certain I had BOTH.
That hammer back bounce at 7:17 is amazing. Guess thats why some people get full auto 500mag videos
Seems kinda dangerous. It could cause a feedback loop and then the user accidentally blows their mind.
the luck of that first shot is absolutely amazing. the bullet technically went through them all but some mysterious force pulled it back into the jelly block.
The vacuum behind it
Def 1 of best slo mo in gel clips of all time! TAOFLEDERMAUS would be proud 🥺
Man every time Scott fires a massive handgun and then giggles, i just lose it. I can almost feel his sense of glee through my screen. Great video Scott and keep on trucking!
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The dirty truth of the 10mm is, most 'off the shelf' factory ammo is loaded to 40cal specs. To get true 10mm performance, you have to either hand load your own, or purchase from the premium vendors, like Underwood, CorBon, Buffalo bore, and a few others.
True but let's face it underwood and buffalo bores powder loads turn a 9mm into a 357 magnum
I was very impressed by the Glock 10mm but the S&W 500 is my favorite . I really liked this show and the opening really had me going
I was absolutely shocked that the 10 mm perform that well with the ballistics gel! It is extremely fast wouldn't mind carrying one with a few hollow points followed by hard cast in the clip! But I would definitely take the 500 for bear you just don't want to miss LOL
Agree but this test was sort of bad for comparing what’s actually best for bears. It’s the bulletproof factor of bear skulls/skin that needs to be beaten, not a soft flesh penetrating depth.
If I remember correctly, most Alaskan guys don’t carry smaller than a 44.
@@carsonhunt4642 Im in MT and personally carry a glock 20 (well a P80 PF945 in 10mm) yes a wheel gun has more energy but 16 round capacity is what does it for me. You want to mechanically break down the bear in the shoulders and spine so it cannot move, not head shot it.
@@carsonhunt4642 if you're aiming for the skull, then you have more problems than just your caliber choice.
"Aim small, miss small"
I wish he shoots more Ballistic gel in other bullet tests
I've been carrying a backup 10mm for a few yrs.. In black bear country.. Probably still would prefer it in Grizzly country just because I practice drawing, firing and reloading it much more than any other firearm. I'm confident with it, and I know I can draw and get 3 rounds off with it to one round of heavy kicking magnum revolver.
Thank you scott for making our lives better on Monday. you're a blessing in these rough days
The 10mm is finally getting some recognition. I was surprised that it didn't catch on when it was first released.
The 10mm was great when released, but limp wristed crybabies were afraid of its power. Hence we got the wussified .40 S&W.
@@Wadley225...It it lost popularity because women and agents of small stature couldn't qualify in their shooting qualification tests given by the FBI and other various agencies. The FBI commissioned Winchester and Smith & Wesson to create the 40 caliber, which was a shorter version of the 10mm, as a compromise between 10mm power and 9mm ease of control and recoil.
I learned about 10mm from fallout as a kid.
10mm for sure great penetration,higher round capacity,moderate recoil for follow ups,very well rounded.
The 10mm slow is hands down the best slow-mo ballistic gel reaction I have ever seen.
Then you not see many slow mos...
Yessss. Nice straight wound channel, almost came out but didn’t. Super satisfying
Yes, it reminded me of myself Panic-Stopping a shart!
I'd probably go with the 10mm, while the others may pack more punch, the difference in recoil would make another shot on target difficult. Awesome video! Keep them coming!
thats why practice is so important, the 10mm might get the job done, but taking chances vs a bear isnt my idea of a good time, id rather train with something larger and hope i just never needed it tbh. honestly tho, i just wont go where bears are, biggest animal near me are deer so like, eh.
@@bored588 the only thing a larger bullet does for you is gives you a slightly better chance at hitting something important. Every round shown today could zip through most bears. 10mm is a .40-ish caliber round. Not that much smaller than say .500 mag. I think the benifits of shooting comfortably with good follow up shots is better than carrying a handcannon that might not drop bears in one shot. Living creature kinda have a "well I am going to take you with me" effect after they realize they have been fatally wounded.
Man 10mm is so overrated. Someone once said that a 9mm will blow lungs out of the body.
@@bmstylee blowing the lungs out of the body has nothing compared to the foot long exit wounds 5.56 gives you.
Recoil and follow up 10 beats 6 if you hit 8
Dudes a good shot with those high caliber guns
My choice is the 454 casull. I think for bear you need to be able to get back on target and keep rounds going down range. So bigger might not be better. But any one of those would definitely be a good bear deterrent. Hopefully the 1000bl grizzly stops.
That first ballistic gel shot with the 10mm was beautiful
I know penetration is important but watch the expansion of the wound channel in the first block, the energy dumped by the 500 is remarkable, as an owner of a 454 casull,im impressed
disappointed in no super redhawk alaskan
I wished the 454 made an appearance
I bought my first Ruger Super RedHawk 454 around 2002 and I fell in love with that round instantly, and the gun as well. It was a mat stainless finish with an 8” barrel, the grip was exceptional in stock form, and I love that you could get all that power without having to carry such a large frame revolver like the .500. S&W. I bought another identical one a few years later then eventually broke down and bought a 460 S&W Alaskan, I love that one as well but the Ruger 454 will always be my favorite
I like the 10mm but in a bigger frame with more capacity. This was a great video and the entertainment value and upbeat attitude unbeatable. I really enjoyed this. Thanks so much.
I believe the 45-70 kept more velocity going through the gel than any of them! That was really impressive!
It's also a round which kicks like hell out of a rifle. Sooooooo
It amazed me too, especially this is just a commercial rifle round with rifle powder...
I truely wonder how it would perform with a proper handgun powderload!!!
@@fabienb1892 handloading 45-70 for a pistol sounds like a broken wrist and possibly a concussion. better hold on for dear life
@@nunninkav *If you are a feminine kinda fella I guess. My 10yr old grandson shoots my Marlin guide 45-70, with hot hand loads with no issues. And yes I said "hand LOADS" ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!*
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@@fabienb1892 Can't speak to the snubnose, but I daily carried one of the standard 7" for 3 years. A case full of TrailBoss powder is quite fine to shoot, 340 gr at 1400 fps, and feels about like a .44mag snubnose to shoot. The limiting factor is not the powder burning (though it always wastes a fair bit, being a revolver), nor the recoil. The limiting factor in the loads you can shoot is the rifling twisting the gun _sideways_ out of your hand. It gets quite uncomfortable to hold on to when you get up into the 1900+fps range. Also, the accuracy starts to drop off as the muzzle jump (the amount the muzzle rises _before_ the bullet leaves the end of the barrel) is substantial and difficult to control.
Never used modern pistol powder, H335 is plenty to make a loud bang and reach 1900fps.
It would be cool to see 454 Casull on this channel sometime. It's right up there with the 460 and 500 in terms of power and recoil.
He actually did a .454 video like 5 years ago, but yeah it would be cool if he revisited it. Here's the video if you haven't seen it /watch?v=DeGveytigQk
I think somebody already mentioned it but you actually can shoot 454 in a 460
He shot 454 casull in his raging judge video from not too long ago
For raw power, it looked like the .45-70 to me. The shock waves it sent rippling through the gel was awesome, and in the slo-mo, it looked like the bullet went straight through and out the back.
Yeah, I think Scott may need some glasses.
12 gauge sleeve on a flare gun with a slug
I guess im a purist. Ive never jumped on the rifle cartridge in a pistol, or a pistol cartridge in a rifle bandwagon.
@@bttr2brnout792 Same here.
My favorite was the 45-70. It went straight through and split the gel, that’s some massive energy!
Great video... thank you. I carry a Colt Combat Commander with a Rowland 460 conversion kit, and use Underwood 200 grain Lehigh Extreme Penetrator Monolithic round. Good for power and follow-up. Very similar to the 10 mm with 200 more foot pounds.
So of all these short barrelled guns, I'd say that the 10mm performed the best overall. Has the highest capacity in case you miss your first shot, has the least recoil again if you miss your first shot, and penetrated all the way through and got sucked back due to the elasticity of the gel. Against a bear's noggin, I'd say it's sufficient.
You nailed it. 10mm all day long.
Truthfully, any handgun will probably require multiple shots on a bear to take it down. They can take some real damage before you slow them down. Then factoring in fear response, time to regroup, and getting on target, I'd take the G29 all day long. With it there's so much you don't have to think about in a high stress situation. Plus, if you have to fire more than once, getting back on target with the Glock would be a piece of cake compare to those other guns.
10mm is my choice. But if I could shoot 44 magnum as well and quickly as I can shoot 10mm I’d definitely carry it instead.
And even though I can’t I still bring the 44 magnum with me occasionally.
Just cause nothing goes better than the great outdoors and a nice revolver.
But yes…. I think 10mm is the obvious best choice.
yeah, that'w why bear regions are the last remaining true market for 10mm
Penetration has nothing to do with DAMAGE
@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 i bought one in ohio yeah fun finding ammo
For most people I think the Glock in 10mm would be the ticket. Another epic video Scott! You never fail to entertain and inform.
A hollow point is made to prevent over penetration today we're going for maximum penetration cue the that's what she said joke at 5:51
@@thejudgeexecutioner why is penetration the best for big game stuff instead of fragmentation, with all the hard cast bullets
@@squidy4082 Big game is thick, and usually contains a very high muscle density. You need more penetration to reliably hit the vitals, especially in bears as they have very thick, very hard skulls. Hollow points would stop too early, or fragment, as well as a softer cast projectile. Hope that helps.
@@abrb1223 so having a lot more penetration to go into the vitals is way better than stopping it’s energy ?
@@squidy4082 Correct, in big game animals usually you aren't too worried about over penetration, unless you're using .50 bmg. It's highly unlikely to over penetrate, but hollow points are almost guaranteed to stop before the vitals. Not 100% but damn near. If you look up "safari ammo" you'll see nearly all of it is hard cast or jacketed.
For us older folk who don’t have wrists of iron, Underwood also has an Xtreme Penetrator bullet in .357 magnum (140 grain, 1550 fps, 747 ft-lbs) - it would be interesting to see how well that bullet does in your bear test. For comparison the 10 mm / 200 grain FMJ bullet u shot is rated at 1250 fps and 694 ft-lbs. Thanks! - very informative and entertaining video!
This is a scam.
Buffalo bore has a 357m 200 gr hard cast bullet that would have been awesome to see in this review
I always carried a Ruger SS Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel, .45 Colt. loaded with my hand load, Nosler 300 gr partition, 1100 fps. I never shot a bear with it, but it will send a Chevy small black to the scrap yard.
Carried 10mm for a couple years. Favorite saying that I've found is "10mm good for the hoods and good for the woods". And that Glock 29 with a hogue grip and pinky extension on the magazines is one of my favorite to shoot!
"Good for the hoods and the woods." Gonna start using that one. 👍🏿
Same here. I’ve been a 10mm fan a long time. G40&29 are regulars for me.
@@jasonlommen4769 though, would that stop a Bear? compared to .45-70 or .500 mag?
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A 45-70 is a rifle cartridge for one and it’s wildly powerful. It’s not a quick engage weapon though like a pistol is. .500 magnum is more a novelty gun than anything. Yes extremely powerful, but it’s a one and done in my book. The muzzle rise and recoil are much too great for an accurate follow up shot. 10mm not as powerful as even a .41 mag. But it’s very versatile, holds a lot of rounds with very manageable recoil and muzzle rise.
Off the shelf ammo for 10 mm sux. My midrange load 200 grains are faster than any off the shelf same weight and lighter bullet. Underwood though is a different story. Been testing pure zinc. Softer than copper so easier on the barrel and expands on hard
I’d go with the 10mm. I carry the glock 20 in 10mm which is their full size frame with a standard barrel. I carry it in a chest holster. 15 +1 rounds, easy target acquisition, and its very easy to make follow up shots. The recoil is about like a .40S&w or a 45acp.
I was thinking the same thing that it's powerful enough and The Recoil is a lot less.
Yep 375 H and H in hand and Glock 20 on the hip just in case haha.
So, what is the difference between 40 cal and 10mm
That's a good amount of 10mm to have and very well might discourage a charge. But if you go and watch any people who give tour guides through Bear country or host bear hunts they will tell you the 10 mm is a poor choice. I'm not knocking your choice I'm just telling you what I've heard from several bear hunt guides.
Get the Glock 40 bro 10 mm ! I’m not kidding g when I say the recoil is like a 22 loud but your doesn’t even move ! I could hit a target one eye closed meeting every follow up shot with a 30 round! I got some videos
I always get the giggles watching Scott. Great episode.
Also, that 3 wheeler is awesome. Don't destroy it!
The 44 mag had a flat tip, whereas the 10mm had a rounded tip
Diameter might play a factor to, he wasn't going in depth on the wound cavoty.
The way the 44 mag was stopped by the third gel is somewhat peculiarly amazing! Like bouncy bouncy type of thing happened to it
A 300 grain bullet would have made all the difference
bro the way the bullet bounced back at 2:59 was so cool and satisfying
I love the slo-mo cam footage, it's just so cool to see how a bullet moves, knowing how fast it is. Thanks for another awesome video, Scott!
Holy cow the wound channels on the last two in the first block look like you stabbed a sword into the gel.
That first shot is the most impressive slow mo shot I've ever seen. Definitely will be buying a 10mm!
Youll make a tastey treat for the pissed off bear with a few holes in him. Penetration isnt stopping power bud!
That 10mm was one of the coolest things I have ever seen.. it went all the way to the end, just about came out and git pulled back in the very end.. the slo-mo was soo darn cool..
I always love Scott's skits. They are awesome.
i agree. there are hilarious!
7:15 if you look closely at the slow-mo you can see that Scott pulled the trigger on that revolver during the recoil impulse.
No bears in my area, but a ton of squirrels going to have to go with the 45-70
Ya got to watch out for thos squirrels😂
A 45-70 would turn a squirrel into red paste. XD
Having only ever had to deal with black bears my preference was the Colt Python. I take the .357 over the ones you demonstrated due to my familiarity with it, thus giving me a lowered chance of fumbling the firearm or missing while dealing with the massive adrenalin rush that comes with an emergency encounter with a bear. As a side note going to the range with it is cheaper as I use .38 specials when practicing. Not as much kick but I am practicing hitting my target not holding on to it lol.
You should practice with whatever you use for bear defense, just so you're used to the recoil impulse. It's expensive but worth it.
Adrenaline, it's just a bear.
@@SomethingFunny454 does that damage the cylinder, throat or ejector mechanism?
@@SomethingFunny454 .460 cannot shoot 44 mag or 44 special. You were looking for 460, 454, 45 Colt and 45 Schofield.
@@SomethingFunny454 ahh no. 460 &454 yes. bad things happen putting 44's into a 45.
I carry a P365 XL w/ext mag and buffalo bore 9mm +p 147gr. Hard Cast. Looking at the slow mo you’ll see the biggest problem with all that high caliber stuff. Good luck getting more than one shot off on angry bear.
I guess the case is solved. Who better to talk about bear defense than a North American Tool Bear. Love the channel and am now hopelessly addicted to Skil's pwrcore12 tools.
My Uncle was attacked by a brown bear, and he carried a .44 magnum, and he told me that he put 3 shots into the Charging Bear and it did Nothing but make it angry. Ever since then when he goes into the Woods, he Carries a .45-70 lever action. he doesn't trust handguns to do the job reliably.
You literally made me decide that I HAVE to get a 10mm within the first 5 minutes. Bravo Scott, bravo 👏
Have a Glock 40 in 10mm for a few years, loved that gun.
I joke with my shooting buddies who don't have one that 10mm is like 9mm but for men. 😜 It's almost worked a couple times, I could see them thinking about seeing what the local shop has in stock. The inconsistent nature of locally available ammo in full vs reduced power loads is a touch frustrating, but not a deal breaker.
10 millimeter is best millimeter.
@@alienspacebones just buy premium ammo online, that’s generally what I do
@@jakefromstatefarm1405 *Must not of "loved" it but so much, if you don't still have it. Let me guess, the gecko from the Geico commercial stole it, Jake from State Farm.*
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Damn 10mm is insanely impressive, ngl. The penetration is at least, but I'd like to see maybe a video comparing the entry/exit wounds for these calibers.
Good stuff Scott! 👍
This guy is on every gun channel. It’s spam don’t respond.
I have found that living someplace where there are no bears is the ultimate protection from bears.
Kind of hard to find a place where there are no bears but then again bears aren't bloodthirsty beasts looking to tear Us to shreds most of them just want to be left the hell alone
@@c.h.u.d There are a lot of bears here in Minnesota, but I live in the southwestern part of the state and they just aren't around. I do enjoy traveling up north and seeing the bears though.
I find it so ironic that the bear is minding his own business in his own environment when we come along intruding, the bear is afraid, tries to protect himself, and we shoot him in self defense? I understand not wanting to get killed by a bear but isn't that a risk one takes when going where bears are present? There are also a lot less lethal ways to get a bear to back off. Bears are social creatures, have a family, and are often simply protecting their family from a perceived threat. What happens to the rest of their family if they get killed for simply being in their environment at the wrong time? I used to dive and was around sharks all the time. When they came too close they got punched in the nose however they had no interest in me 95% of the time. I would think most bears just want to be left the hell alone and don't care for humans intruding into their environment. Agree with C.H.U.D. below.
Yeah no bears in Las Angeles , New York , Detroit , Chicago , Philadelphia . But I would take my chances with the bears ! 🐻
What’s that Honda he rode in on?
In Alaska, while fishing, we used a .44 magnum to scare the bears. If that did not work, we threw them a fish, and sounded retreat.
I absolutely love his animal guns series.
I'm glad to say I have two of the 5 guns you showed here. M&P 45acp is what I carry on the ranch in Texas. Best part, we don't have bears! I'm so deep on the ranch I rarely see people and the ones I do see are relatives... Life is GOOD!
My personal favorite is Freedom Arms Casull. Very rarely does anyone mention it, but in my book, Freedom Arms makes the finest revolvers ever made and the Cadull will stop anything out there.
.44 Mag for me. I'm not a small guy, so I could handle something larger, but there's a sweet spot between power and manageable recoil, in my opinion. Big deal if you need to get off multiple shots.
I'm new to guns and bears and I would have a hard time with extreme recoil because I have Carpal Tunnel .. so with all of that in mind which gun would guarantee the bear stopped if I got into hunting? Ty in advance.
@@montyrayza7220 - there's really no gun that can guarantee to stop a bear. The first thing you need to worry about is what size handgun can you comfortably handle and shoot accurately under pressure. Doesn't make any sense to carry a .50 cal handgun if you can't shoot it. From there, remember that a well-placed .357 round is going to do a lot more damage than a .50 cal round that misses completely. For me, a .44 is a gun that I can handle and can do significant damage with a well-placed round. Also, are we talking about black bears, grizzlies, or brown bears? Big difference. Scott
@@THEBULLETPROOFGARAGEjust carry bear slug
@@montyrayza7220 44s hurt if you have carpal tunnel. Sometimes they hurt, even if you don't. 357mag w/ a 6" barrel is easy to shoot and is plenty for black bears but I have heard of a grizzly being taken down w/ one. Barrel length matters and a 357 really needs 6" to get close to full power/effect.
Shotgun. I have small wrist and those .500 would leave me with swollen wrist. But good bear meat!
Nice, Scott. I think this proves once and for all that indeed a 10mm properly loaded for big bears will indeed do the job.
It doesn't prove anything.
It's been known for a long time the 10mm is sufficient to take down bears, the only people who disagree with this are wheeliegun boomer fanbois..
But there is something wrong with this test. If you look up the specs of those two ammos on the Underwood website the 44 magnum has almost twice the energy.
Sectional density and caliber of the gun (caliber as in length of barrel to diameter) are part of it. The shorter barrel is a bigger handicap for the larger calibers. I bet if he used a short barrel 357 it would have penetrated fully through the four blocks.
For the record I carry a 10mm in Wyoming/Montana.
I live in rural Alaska, lived rural for over twenty years. I know plenty of Alaskan folks in their 20s and 30s who swear by their 44mags and 454 casulls over 10mm.
You sound like someone who watches everyrhing TFBTV puts out😅
OKAY ALL, this is a general reply to each of those who commented on my comment. Boy does this topic get some folks in a tizzy. My remark/comment stand on their own merits. I did not address any caliber as being better than another. Clearly the 45-70 handgun and the 500 mag delivers the most on the target. I merely agreed that based on gel penetration, the 10mm is sufficient, if properly loaded, to deal with an angry Brown bear. Nothing more. Those of you who infer and then comment on things I DID NOT SAY are the ones with an issue. Perhaps remedial reading and comprehension instruction would assist some in grasping a comment. No one need to defend any personal preference. I DID NOT call into question anyone elses' choices, now did I? Lastly, will anyone comment on this retort of mine w/o using the hipster phrase "triggered?" Not at all "triggered." Just educating those with flawed inferences. Have fun kiddies, and try to be nice to each other. It's not that damned hard.
great preformance by the 10mm , combine that with the 15 shot capacity and compact frame of the gun and you have a perfect hikers/campers gun
G29 is 10 shot magazine stock, FYI.
@@TheGDizzo still better than 5-8 of a revolver plus loading a new mag is quicker than loading a cylinder unless you have and are good with speedloaders
@@jameskazd9951 Well Gee, Thank you "Captain Obvious".
@@jameskazd9951 youre not going to have time to reload either so its irrelevant. If you havent stopped the bear within 3-4 shots then youre screwed. Ill take the heavier bullet
@@TheGDizzo if you aren't worried about concealing it then the extra .5 or so inches the 15 rounder sticks out isn't going to be a problem, personally if I was backpacking I'd have a 30 round mag packed as well
I live off the grid high in the mountains and have owned and use a Ruger 44mag Vaquero with a cross draw holster and Winchester Model 94 "Trapper" 44mag in combo since 2004 these are my guns of choice living up here in the great white north because of bears...smiles
I'd like to see a video with those handguns showing 4 shots one after the other to give a proper representation of the recoil recovery time if you were to actually have to defend against a bear 🐻.
Or how they penetrate after hitting bone
Wow. That 500 showed the infamous "DoubleTap" when the gun recoiled away from Scott's trigger finger, and then due to the overall dynamics, the trigger got fully pulled again. I say again, WOW!
i was looking at that, but it seems to me it was not a double tap, the cylinder is not rotating and the hammer looks to go back before the recoil triggerpull which does not look like a full triggerpull... can the hammer fly back a second time because of the recoil? looked weird though!
@@ralphbooger4756 definitely didn't look right lol
@@ralphbooger4756 - Good catch, I didn't notice the lack of cylinder rotation. I'll have to go back and look at it again on a bigger screen. The hammer *shouldn't* fly back like that, no. At least not according to everything I've ever learned.
i just looked at it again, and also on the 460 does the hammer fly back a second time but not as much as the 500 where it goes all the way back... on the other revolvers too except the single action but just a little bit, could it just be the recoil or primer sending it back?
is this what happens on a double tap, the shooter pulls the trigger and rotates the cylinder but the hammer goes off on its own?
would that also make the trigger pull much lighter without having to also pull the hammer back?
I'm fairly sure the hammer just bounced back, I didn't see the trigger reset and it would certainly be very apparent due to long trigger pull if revolvers. The cylinder wouldn't turn so the hammer would just harmlessly jump on an empty casing.
I like the 460. It seemed you could recover faster for a second shot .
I rapid fired my 500 and kept it on target at 15 yards but my hand hurt for about 4 months.
theres .454 casull out there too more common than the 460 and it any ive seen can shoot .45 colt out of em on range days.
Scott. A new hand cannon has become available. Tis the .500 Bushwhacker from Magnum Research in the BFR series. Love to see you blast some ballistics gel with it.
So many questions: how many gel blocks equates to the tough bear hide and hair? What about capacity, and recoil mitigation for follow up shots? And how fast can you get those off accurately? This episode left a little to be desired. Anyway, g29 out of those today, but sig tenx, or Springfield for me.
For the handguns I would either go with a .44 magnum or 10mm. I know the smaller guns are easier to carry around, but when it comes to bears I'd want to give the gun as much of a chance at dropping the beast in as short a time as possible so I'd have full sized guns. The 10mm would be able to lay down a lot of pain quicker than the .44, so I would probably go for that one. Thankfully not near bear territory so I'm not in immediate need of those cartridges, but I still want one gun for each.
We have the florida panther. But very rare, and I'd have to go on a bit of a ride to even have a chance at finding one
The smallest calibre you can use for wilderness defence here in Canaderp is 357 magnum with the common being 10mm or 44 magnum. This applies to handguns, with the non-restricted option being a shotgun.
Wait you can have modern calibers..? Isn’t Canada the you can only shoot in a padded cell at a range type of country?
@@1014p na that’d be here in Australia! They implemented a new system at the indoor firing range that has the handgun mounted in a metal frame suspended on cables only pointing down range due to random depressed types choosing to ventilate themselves while in a booked session!
@@jakerubino3233 that is at the public ‘shoot a gun’ type ranges dude, if you want a proper experience join a gun club. It takes a while before you can get a decent firearm, but it is possible.
@@rsoul7282 yes mate I’m fully aware. Was just using an example to highlight the differences between there and here.
@@jakerubino3233 the biggest hazard when joining some gun clubs is having a beard of sufficient stature, and in many cases having a liver that can withstand the constant bombardment. Speaking from the perspective of someone that is not a member of one, but has been fortunate enough to have many friends that are, who are also generous in allowing me to shoot all manner of things. So, not a hardcore member, just riding on their coattails.
I'd take the 10mm or maybe the 44 mag. I guess the revolver has the benefit of no jamming, but the extra ammo of the 10 mm is nice too. I'll take both.
I love your comedic approach & timing. Well done!!
My 44 Super Red Hawk is my bear gun of choice. Plenty of stopping power and easier to get off multiple shots accurately.
That first slo-mo was absolutely killer, stellar job 👍
This video shows what a lot of other ballistics tests have shown with the 10mm having very low expansion channel damage but amazing depth, and then the 44 Magnum having much more expansion channel damage than the 10mm but less depth.
I've seen something similar to this in videos comparing .38 special plus p vs .357 mag, and the 38 special plus p had slightly more depth but the 357 having much more expansion channel damage.
Expected the other calibers to do what they did but the 10mm surprised me. Pretty cool.