10mm VS .44 Magnum JHP - PPU Ammunition Ballistic Test
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- Testing out some PPU Defense Line in 10mm Auto and Handgun Line in .44 Magnum. The 10mm is a 180 gr JHP and the .44 Magnum is a 240 gr JHP. I do a 10% Clear Ballistics test with and without 1/4" MDF and some longer range accuracy drills. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
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I have some cool .327 Federal Magnum VS 9mm content coming out Friday, in short barrels. I know people seem to like my CCW inspired videos more than most.
I'm still interested in the .32 family of cartridges. Thanks for the heads up.
Me too!!
.44 mag mono metal FTW
@@frankhinkle5772 Same here! I have an inexplicable fascination with the .32 tribe.
I've used a lot of PPU ammo over the years and most of it I would not use for defensive ammo, however, it is usually pretty good quality otherwise. I've had zero issues in regards to accuracy and reliability. The 300gr 44 mag was pretty spicy and the 75gr 223 groups well in most everything I've used it in except, rather ironically, a Zastava M90 AK. I'm not surprised that these didn't perform well in regards to expansion, but I am surprised they seem to be low quality otherwise. I use their brass to reload with no issues as well. Especially in their oddball milsurp offerings. I use their brass for 6.5 Carcano, 303 British, 8mm mannlicher, 7.5 Swiss, 7.5 French, 7mm, 7.65mm, 8mm, and 6.5mm Mauser. It all holds up well. I also use the 303 British and 8mm mannlicher brass to form into 6.5x53 Dutch and 6.5x53 French respectively. Perhaps their QC has gone to crap during the pandemic? I will say that Serbian Belom ammo is decent quality in construction but very underpowered in my experience.
I bought a bunch of ppu .44 mag about 3 years ago and I will say the stuff I bought was much better than what you were using. 240 gr. Jhp and 300gr. Sjsp .44 mag. I was shooting water jugs with the 240gr. and it was expanding just fine. I also shot a big mule deer buck with the 300gr. and it went right down. I have some of the ppu .357 158gr. defense and it expands very well. Thanks for the videos
Now that you are using ballistic gel I would really like to see you retest that Buffalo Bore 10mm 180 grain XTP that was getting 1440 fps! I would like to see how it performs in the gel test. That is a crazy powerful round and would be interesting to see how it would preform against the 357 Buffalo Bore 125 grain Gold Dot round rated at 1700fps or maybe their .357 mag 180 grain XTP rated at 1500fps! Buffalo Bore is an amazing company. Thank you for your content.
He did the Bbore 125 gr 357 in a video n it didn’t hold together very well
Anything Buffalo Bore or Double Tapp you know you're getting some perfected hottest of the hot stuff!!
That’s some puny 10mil! Thanks for the video, buddy.
Really sad numbers on the PPU Defense line "10mm", Im glad for the review since my local shop has this in stock at nearly $50 per box. You saved me from that mistake! Great video, good sound, testing format, and all the rest, glad I clicked. Subscribed for more.
All 10mm and 44 mag are nearly 50 bucks 😂
I suppose we must take into account the fact that that ammo comes from a nation where they may have to shoot through a bearskin coat and several layers of coarse cloth to even GET to a bad guy...LOL. That much overpenetration really shows how important it is to test your ammo or at least do some research. A solid with a big meplat would outperform this stuff.
Kind of like how I explain to my knife customers why the need a 7.5 inch blade on a combat knife so it can punch through clothing vests etc to reach the heart
just got my first 44 mag, got the Taurus 44 and cant wait to try her
My first acquisition ever was the Tracker 44mag 4 inch barrel stainless. I've carried it long and hard on many a backpack trips, and one through hike. Love that gun...
Enjoy your new revolver, it's a mighty fine one.
Happy trails and God bless
@@Soli_Deo_Gloria_. well thank you ! I went last week and shook the indoor range! It was amazing, not too hard to control, just amazing power.
Wow!! I have a few boxes of 9mm and PPU that I bought because it was during the ammo shortage. They are hollow points also. I guess I will be shooting them up for practice as soon as possible. This was very disappointing. Thank for another good video. I even have some 30-06 and 30-30.
44 Mag gets my attention every time.
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Interesting results. I see that 10mm stuff good for the guy on a budget and can only afford 1 gun and he chose a 10mm. It gives him a chance to work on his fundamentals when dry fire is getting boring. Sometimes you need a bang to help them out.
I've heard their brass is really soft and for that reason it's good it wasn't hot. Even out of a after market barrel things good get sketchy.
Thanks for all the work you put into your videos. They truly are some of the best. And as always you make learning fun.
Soft brass: is that why it wasn't ejecting out of the .44 Special Model 69?
@@frankhinkle5772 the soft brass will expand excessively in the chambers making extraction difficult
Good video. I always appreciate when shooters show what actually happened, weather good or bad. Thanks for sharing and take care.
I was able to get some of the PPU defensive line they make in a 158 grain .357 magnum and I didn't chronograph it but out of a 5" barrel I got no expansion in a bare clear ballistics gel block. They're cheap but I guess you get what you pay for.
Another channel did the testing and got both penetration, and expansion.
I shot a squirrel with one and it messed him up pretty good.
@@ratagris21 give me a link
@@TheTruth-sd8ey Tool & Targets th-cam.com/video/j9Ddyumbenw/w-d-xo.html
@@ratagris21 Can you please give me a link of specific video, it's a big channel. I have yet to see a PPU expand and i tried them all. I come from ex Yugoslavia where this stuff is made, i shot tens of thousands of this pos ammo in my life and not one ever expanded. This ain't even a hollow point, just a sawed off tip and a drilled hole in it. Lol
You nailed it saying you get what you pay for , that's usually spot on good advice .
Love my .38 and .22 mag
I've used PPU in 44Mag and 7x57MM. I've never had the problems you are. Got a nice buck at just under 350 yards with 7x57, PPU 139 gr, pulled the trigger he went to sleep. Same with the 44mg, took a doe at about 60yds, pulled trigger and she went to sleep. I've taken several the Mauser using it.
I've heard people trash talk it, most without trying it. Might check your sights. It works for me.
I've had some PPU years ago. It was really light. Fine for the range but it rated itself as a fairly hot 44. No reason to lie.
Great job.
Looks like these PPUs are either the expand or they dont. Tools & Targets got .357 magnum to not only penetrate, but also expand. As long as they put a hole in what you're aiming at, and put the threat down it works just as designed. Good testing Sam! 🎩♠️☯️🏁
I have the 10mm Springfield XDM and I got the Carbine Conversion barrel and it is fricking sweet!! Perfect for this cheaper PPU hollow points. The ammo is cheap so I'm assuming they are using a cheaper powder which doesnt bother me for hollow points in blowing stuff up
Love Both
I just aquired 3 bricks of American Eagle 44mag 240 grain JHP at Sportsmans Warehouse. It has been the first 240 grain 44 mag I've seen in three shops, in two years. Besides this they've only had a couple bricks of 180 grain Leverlution. The 240 grain was $65 a brick, $200 for 3 boxes...
Unbelievable, sigh... 😂🤔😭
You usually a great shot. The rounds are not doing you justice. Great video
Those 10mm bullets are what you call "flying ashtrays"...you could mix a drink in them...
Thanks for the video
PPU 357 magnum 357 JHP got good velocity out of my EAA Windicator Snub nose, like 1150 out of a 2 inch pistol, might be worth testing.
I had some PPU .45 HP rounds, they were ok. However i did buy some PPU 158 grain .357 Magnum Ammo, put them up, forgot about them. Guy at the gun shop said they were great rounds, but after seeing this video, i'm a little disappointed in PPU.
PPU seems to be rather toasty from my playing with a 357mag, at least the 158 FMJ I got.
I like privi great range ammo
Sam what are your thoughts on PPU ammunition overall? I'm not sure if it's just me or the ammo is sub par work revised to quality. I always seem to have issues with PPU brass when reloading...
I ran some other PPU recently, I don't think I posted the video yet, but I missed every shot at 25 yards. Also didn't expand. So my opinion is it's junk.
@@GunSam I think I'm going to agree with that assessment, thanks for the reply.
I've heard a lot of bad comments on their brass and what I've heard is its really soft brass. The softness makes it really hard to get good neck tension so in a auto that could be really bad if the bullet hits the ramp and gets shoved deep in the case. Just curious what problems you've had?
@@biggunshandguns3687 I have had heard they use a thin walled brass which causes pre mature cracking after sizing and belling the case mouth. This also explains why some folks think its loaded hotter because the case expands and imitates harsher ejections like a hot loaded cartridge.
I have a lot of experience with this ammo, since i come from ex Yugoslavia, where this thing is made. The only "good" stuff from PPU, is their military rifle line and match rifle line ammo. Good as in accurate that is. As for handgun ammo, it's the worst of the worst. The velocities are always 40-50% less then claimed, their powder is of low quality and their QC is basically non existent. And their hollow points NEVER expand, because they're not even hollow points. They simply saw off the tip and drill a hole into it. Pathetic how they even dare to export this stuff to US. As to why their handgun ammo is loaded so weak, there's a good reason for that. Their brass is so soft and thin, it'd crack open if they would try to load them properly. So don't even think about reloading their brass. Especially in .40 and 10mm. You can check yourself. Compare the brass from let's say a .44 mag from PPU and from reputable brands such as Magtech or Hornady and you'll see what i mean. You can squezee the PPU brass with your fingers and it'll easily deform. Crazy. People literally play with not only their guns, but also with their lives when they are shooting this stuff. They just don't realize it untill too late. .PPU's .40 and 10mm are especially dangerous to shoot, since they are high pressure rounds as it is and PPU brass is so thin. Now imagine what would happen if they would load their ammo to normal, proper velocities with brass as this. Kaboom!! Stay away from it!! The only ammo brand i can think off that is even worse than PPU, is Maxxtech (do not confuse the name with Magtech!) made in Bosnia, a part of Ex Yugoslavia as well. We have many good things here, but the ammo is not one of them. Cheers!
Can you please do a test of 40S&W 180gr Hornady XTP? I rarely see tests on that round and none as good as these that you do.
Love that 44 mag.
umm be interested to see the 300 grain ppu 44 magnum that seems to be available everywhere right now stacks up, I'm guessing the 300 grain ppu would do about 1000 fps from that 4 inch barrel
cases expanding as if higher powered load but it's not? Check casing diameter, perhaps it's a bit smaller than normal? Then it would tend to expand to meet the sides of the chamber instead of already resting against the chamber walls and so not expanding, and any such expansion would tend to bind the casing in the chamber... this happened to me firing .22lr out of a .22mag cylinder once, by accident. Just a thought. Good video, Sam! You've gotten better with age, been watching you for a few years now.
I have no idea where I put this ammo lol, filmed it October 15th. Another commenter said he thought PPU brass was bad, so maybe there's something to that.
@@GunSam sounds reasonable!
I bought 250 rounds of that PPU 10mm, not a single round expanded in anything I shot it in. Even in water I got no expansion, it was also about 30 cents a round so that makes sense
It might have at least been accurate? I know that a hollow point and shifting weight rearward does aide in some accuracy over an FMJ.
@@GunSam it was actually good in the accuracy department, tried it in 2 guns: stock Glock 20 and a 16” Kriss Vector
It starts with a 4
You have tested a lot of 10mm ammo. If you were going to carry a 10mm for self defense, what would be your favorite?
It's kind of hard to say. But, if I recall some of the bonded ammo did the best, like Gold Dot or PDX1 style of ammo. They seems to not have too much power and hold together rather than have jacket separation.
You channel is one of my favorit channels to watch on youtube. Have you ever thought of doing videos using the budget Winchester White Box Hollow Points? I have read articles saying they are more impressive then what people would believe. Could you put this rumor to the test?
I think he’s done this already. I could be wrong though.
What was the flash, off the last 44 in the gel,??
probably dieseling
You should try the 180 grain ppu
I would take the revolver any day of the week over any automatic ! There's not an automatic in the world stronger than a revolver !
@Peter Angles Desert Eagle? LOL what... You have got to either be around the age of Twelve or in a country with poor exposure to or lack of information of the outside world. Who on Earth in actual physical reality would purchase, let alone use, for any application whatsoever, whether it be concealed carry, (Lmao) home security, terrorism, cartel turf war, law enforcement, secret service, civilian, military, hunting, organized crime, bodyguard, protection against bears, anything, not even the most hardcore hobbyist weapons collectors I've met anywhere in the world, not in a single storefront or gun show have I ever seen or even heard about an instance where somebody was using, transferring or in the possession of a .50 Desert Eagle. I have only ever seen it depicted in a few Hollywood films and video games such as The Matrix Reloaded, Menace II Society, Call of Duty, GTA: San Andreas & Max Payne. Maybe you can be the first guy!
So cool!! You should get it in 24k Gold. Best color for sure and Crushes the competition!! So much wow! Just a word of caution, please don't ever under any circumstances attempt to utilize your weapon of choice in self-defense. If you did that no attorney would agree to defend you as it would jeopardize their career. Also, you would be denied bail at your hearing and later charged with homicide. If you happened to have it on you or in your vehicle and someone attacked you, you are much better off just letting them rob or assault you and take the gun from you. At least you will have a chance to sue them for the damages and what not. If you really like the look, you could totally get away with using a Deagle chambered in .22lr however.
Good luck with your Desert Eagle ownership and also puberty.
Yup, I got the PPU fmj 85g and the 85g defense ammo for my TT33-C Tokarve sort of generic. I found S&B , Romanian surplus military a big difference. So I buy other better 10mm for my Tanfoglio Witness 10mm. Wish I had a 44 magnum. I do use PPU Garand loading M2 Ball. In my old Garand. Have no issues. Yeah ah PPU maybe not a good defense choice. I think the Serbs use Unobtainiam??
Sorry the main reason from carrying either 44 Magnum or 10 mm is for defense in the woods primarily against things like bears or large boars... If your semi-auto jams or has a stoppage you are in deep doo doo even if it takes 3 seconds to clear... I personally don't care for this ammo anyway I would go for something in the hard cast semi-wad cutter 44 Magnum something reliable and 10 MM despite being the greatest thing since sliced bread recently I don't care for it at all when facing large predators I'd rather have 44 Magnum in a revolver
I was worried that the 10mm bullet would bounce off the denim and come your way. Of course you probably wouldn’t have noticed it!
I think that 10mm was an FBI load! LOL.
Cool 😎
I'd love to see you compare the 10mm auto pistol vs the S&W 610 4"
44 mag is the only big caliber I trust in the woods
The ten is the unicorn in my collecting
Edit: would really enjoy this test with a S&W 460 included (45 long colt, 454 casul, sw460 mag
If you don't want to save your empty brass I'll buy it off you for more than the scrap value and I'll cover the USPS flat rate shipping charges.
I save 99% of my brass. Have thousands and thousands. Why would you think I don't? From tossing a few on camera? lol ok
@@GunSam Yeah, that's what it looked like. Seemed like you were tossing them away like trash.
@@Prepare2Survive Maybe next time I will walk 25 yards to where I store it, walk back. This is one of the 1,000 things people don't see as I film for brevity. If they only knew 15 minutes of video is an hour on the range, 4 hours in edit and 12 hours preparation they might comment better and not assume.
@@GunSam Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of work done to create the videos and I'm also sure there's plenty of things people wrongly assume when watching any video on youtube, but typically I never see anyone pull brass from a revolver by hand and then toss brass on the ground if they plan on saving the brass to reload. Especially when they aren't training for a fast reload or something like that.
Seems like almost all the ammunition we get nowadays is weakened down. I had some old cci 10mm & some new "name brand expensive ammo" Was shooting the other day. That old plain cci seemed like it was hotter than the new top notch stuff. Idk..
I guess I'll be sticking with the Federal HST in my Redhawk 44mag.
They don't make it in 44mag.
My thoughts too lol. I've had people tell me they carry .357 Mag HST too lol
@@GunSam If they are carrying that they must be using bullets from the 38 round and rolling their own !
Hey Sam, tell us what you REALLY think about this ammo!
I think you are correct, this PPU ammo isn't worth even using for practice if it won't function properly inside the gun, and it's not accurate.
I've had the exact opposite experience.
No malfunction on either handgun or rifle so far (though I only used PPU in 9mm, 223, 308, but with lots of different shapes and weights).
Seems on the mild side, usually, true, but groups well (esp. 75gr and 155gr HPBT match = sub moa out of my guns ) and is cheap and well manufactured.
Doesn't seem to leave the guns any dirtier than other ammo either.
The JHP designs are obviously bogus, not even sure they are marketed towards self defense usually, but generally as open tip ammo for target shooting.
Apart from the light/fast (115gr and below) and rifle rounds I would not expect stellar expansion out of them.
Similar stories with the cheap plinking HP stuff from other manufacturers like S&B, Magtech etc.
I shoot ppu defense line 357 magnum out of my 20" rossi 92. It kills deer and its cheap and accurate.
Thank you. I shoot bot these calibers and my pistols have similar barrel lengths as yours. Note to self: Don't buy PPU ammo.
Its cheap and availible, I have the 10mm XDM and have a carbine conversion and getting 1475 with it and its fun to blow stuff up for cheap. 1050 in this test of a 40 cal would wreck about any bad guy that comes around even know it wouldnt be in my gun for self defense
🇦🇺😎👍🏁PPU🏁
Rather sad for 10mm. I'll stick with Underwood.
You say over penetration, I say bleeding from to gun shot wounds.
I'll be surprised if either PPU bullet calibers expand. The 170gr 10mm PPU JHP bullet has NEVER expanded once for me, thank god they're cheap (They were when I bought the case anyway) but I'd never trust PPU for self-defense. Let's watch the video and see if I'm right...
Yep! I was right. I have a G29/3.8", Ruger GP100/4.2" & Ruger SRH/6.5" all in 10mm and I picked up a case(500rds) of PPU 10mm 170gr JHP for $200 back in 2018. I've shot wet newspaper, clay & water jugs and never once got an average hollow point expansion, just slight deformation. PPU AMMO IS NOT GOOD SELF-DEFENSE AMMO...
I've found that PPU is good range/plinking/emergency ammo, but neither of those two "P"s stand for "performance!" ;)
said fast is "pooo"
I wonder how that 44 would perform out of a carbine against a wild hog.
Would you really take that risk? I would do a lot of testing before you shot a hog.
I wonder if that ammunition would do better out of a lever action. Never seen a .40cal, I mean a 10mm lever action though. 🧐🤔
I don't know of anyone who make a 10mm lever gun. I think if you are willing to pay for a custom gun you might be able to get one. If you know of anyone making them please let me know. I would love to have one.
Do you have to re zero for the different weights and going from 44 mag to 44 special?
Defense line, they didn't say defense against what. I'm thinking hippos.
I shoot it out of my 3030 .hit a deer last yr in the spine 170 gr got no expantion .this yr lung shot blew out to almost 35 cal .it isn't consistent ammo at all in one box some over expands some don't at all
Good grief. .40S&W is more powerful than that10mm load. I love both but 10mm is just supposed to be more powerful.
I’ve tried the PPU .357. It’s good if you just want something that makes a “bang” sound but in terms of anything else it’s not good. Maybe keep it around for starting races.
PPU- Pretty Pathetically Underpowered ammo.😆
I like that
It works great for my carbine conversion kit for my XDM! Hollows blow stuff up pretty good! You can see how far down the lead goes in the casing. If you want the good stuff, Buffalo Bore, Double Tapp and Underwood Extrme Penetrators are the way to go what I use when Im bow hunting in the West. But this PPU is cheap and comes in boxes of 50 with the Carbine conversion they are a LOT better 1300 FPS!
The rated velocity for 44 mag seems high, and the 10mm is WEAK.
984 feet per second?!?!?!? That is 299,9 meters per second! Pretty weak for a 10mm. In fact the most pudloaded 10mm i have ever heard of.
PPU is pretty much very crappy (don't want to say outwright junk buttttt LOL), I've shot a good bit of it actually because I bought a bunch of it a couple or so years ago, because the deal I got on it was almost better than I could get just brass for to replace some of my 357 44 and 9mm that was getting seriously long in the tooth,,,,,wellllll I kinda wish I would have just went with buying brass instead LOL,,,,the ammo is marginal (being optomistic) at best even for practice ammo and the brass is pretty low quality and very inconsistant at best,,,if all you want is some practice ammo with nearly throw away brass( I ended up tossing a bunch of it after just one reloading because I didn't like the looks of it and what the area around the base/case head and primer pockets were doing) and the price is cheap then OK but you can do much better if something (pretty much anything) is available even if it is a bit more $'s.
Yeah I prefer just Win USA or something like that, even Magtech in about the same.
Most 10mm ammo is an absolute joke. Unless you want to spend a dollar a shot, you may as well stick with .40S&W.
Underwood 10mm is some of the best though, and a buck a round for hollow points. Overall not a bad deal for what you get, something like 792 FPE with one of their 10mm's.
The ten really is one of those rounds where reloading can reach its full potential. As long as you can find primers. Also if you use the right powder you can get the velocity you want without having a bunch of recoil
@@GunSam Yeah that's how it all should be. 180 grain pill going 1200 fps. But a dollar a round is getting a little insane in the membrane. Might as well go to .44 mag at that point.
.40 SW vs .44 Special +p+ pee pee phew.
😂🤷♂️ range ammo 👍 😊
Both terrible, that’s not even hot .40 SW out of the 10mm. Appreciate the video
No good for hunting or self defense. "Target" or range ammo at best.
Thank you
Jesus dude, this ammo sucks big time. Those drunken combloc engineers just sawed off the top of the bullet and drilled a hole in it. Now how can that open up without any serations and weakened lead? As for velocity, always 40% less then the claim. 😂
That 10mm is 9mm level ..... what a shame....
I had a few 9mm's over 500 FPE
That PPU 10mm was terrible. It's like a mediocre 40 S&W, and no expansion. For defense you'd do better with a good 9mm. PPU should be hanging its head in shame.
👍👍this ammo doesn't seem to work or shoot well.
no excuses or exceptions for sloppy shooting, ammo only partly. I generally give you good comments but this time I call as I see it. but you seem not you normal self , like some things got your mind drawn away pulling attention away. i hope things work out for whatever is hendering you. plus the ammunition was junk but not you falt , nana and papa wishing you well.
Um, okay. Weird comment. Wrong, but okay.
That's lousy ammo you're a better shot than that
What a waste.
Who cares about the mdf.
most of my subscribers, myself, etc.
WOW!!! Not very good shooting!!!
Okay buddy.