Should Backerboard Go Over The Tile Flange Or Up To It?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.พ. 2020
- I constantly get two questions or comments about tiling shower or bathtub alcoves. One is about how cement backerboard should be installed in relation to a bathtub or shower base tile flange, also called a "lip." Does the backerboard go over the lip or up to it? The second question is about "taping" the seams of backerboard in a shower with mesh tape and thinset. What is the purpose of that and is it necessary? In this video I'll answer both of these questions and show you my methods.
UPDATE: To answer a question that has come up about tiling over the area of the lip I made this video: • How To Tile Over The L...
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This flashing idea is freaking GENIUS!!! You’re the only one I’ve seen do this!!! THANK YOU!!!!! 👏👏👏
Yep. I don't trust using silicone between the CBU and tub flange. The flashing is a great idea that I have used. Also, placing the flashing on the floor near the tub.
This is nothing new. Old school carpenters use to use pc of metal flashing before peel n stick. Carpenters know 🤣
Dude... I've watched 100 videos. You literally have the only video that actually spoke about shimming walls to meet tub, why you cant shim wall because rest of room is 5 foot etc. As if a normal person was going through the thought process. Nice job man. Its not a perfect world and this is great.
27 years in the trade, never thought about using protecto wrap to flash the tube, Excellent idea!!! Learn something new every day. Thanks
These days I actually prefer the Zip system stretchy tape because it conforms to almost any profile, but it's the same idea.
Your video has answered all the questions I had.
I love the way you answered all the questions that a diy person would encounter in a real life situation.
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Incredible amount of insight and experience. Remodeling is nothing but compromise. Thank you for the effort and useful information.
Thank you for explaining I was having this issue and no one at home depot was able to help😏. I appreciate your real life scenario. I took all the helpful tips as well. 😁
I have done many tub surrounds over a 25 year period. This methodology is sound and very well explained.
Excellent! Real world is where we live so I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts, reasoning, and methods! 👍
13:56 - exactly and it's your insight into what "the real world" looks like is quite valuable. Many times I see videos on TH-cam of how to DIY a project and it turns out perfectly because the channel carefully edits out all of the mistakes, compromises and "real world" conditions they had to work around. For the longest time I thought I was the only one dealing with these imperfections. Hearing a professional talk about this at this level of detail is fantastic.
Yes, the real world is messy and full of surprises. I often say that remodeling is a series of compromises.
Thanks. Exact issue I’m having with my remodeling . Subscribed
Thanks for the thorough explanation. I'm in"the real world" with you.
Extreme words of wisdom: "Remodeling often means compromsing and making judgement calls."
And a whole lot of cursing at times.
Bravo, bravo, bravo!!! Soooo thorough!! You answered every single question I've ever had about tiling over a tub. I am ready to get started. Thank you so much!!
Nicely done video. Great explanation on how to overcome various issues. Your self adhesive flashing idea is damn near genius. Never seen that before.
This is the best video I have seen and I have watched a lot, you have answered most of my questions.
I did my shower almost exactly like you did yours. I’ve only done a few showers in my life time but I do some research first and they’ve all turned out great. Thanks for the video.
Great video, my walls were far enough out of plumb I was considering shimming with 1/4 backerboard, then adding a second 1/4 inch sheet to bring my plane to the same level as the existing drywall. Originally I had the first shim layer going right up to the flange, then the second went over the flange, but I am going to incorporate your flashing idea now.
Thank you again
You sir are a hero! All I see is your hand in the video and I want to shake it for such a through tutorial.
Finally a video that explains these things! So helpful for a DIY’er like myself. Great tips here!
I actually shimed all my walls and had the cement board proud of the tub. Every other video showed it flush so i thought i was screwed. Thank you for explaining the concept so now i know it's actually a good thing! I also used the water proof tape thanks to this video, what a great idea! Thank you for this fantastic resource!
Really great explanations, super clear, to the point, and concise. Thank you for taking the time to explain how things work "in the real world"
Thanks for the thorough explanation. Very well reasoned. Appreciate the extra steps in ensuring a lasting waterproof installation.
Finally found a video explaining the lip!!!! I've done millions of fiberglass shower stalls it's packing that gap with hot mud and flat taping around the whole stall. But that procedure does not require or have tile. Thanks for the video!
Wow, awesome video! Installing a tub -> shower pan conversion and you answered all the questions I had.
Kinda feel like you gave away a lot of secrets!
Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge
You sir, are a true craftsman
This is the first video I've seen that deals with real life remodeling issues. Provided amazing hacks to address every issue I've encountered over the years. Thank you so much. I suscribed to your channel.
The video that keeps on giving. Love your common sense approach and "Real World" insights. this is the most helpful video I've watched after a complete gut of the bathroom. Thank you!
Man oh man, after about 20 other videos, you answered my question about stopping at the flange or going over it! Thank you.
Triple thanks for the flashing idea! Have a job this week in an old home bathroom remodel where this will work like a charm.
I like your water proofing method around the tub flange. Good insurance.
Great video. I'm doing my bathroom and after removing the old tub, cut out just enough drywall to get the new tub in. My bathroom layout and ceiling height would mean cutting out and replacing an enormous amount of drywall in order to fir out the studs to ride over the flange. Not happening. It's so important to live in the real world when doing this stuff.
Excellent video. I'm right in the midst of this job and you've answered all of my questions.
Great idea with the self adhesive window flashing behind the hardie and over the tub flange thanks !
WOW !! I just love your teaching. Is so artículo used. And so we’ll detailed explained. I’ve learned about 6 months just in one of your videos. Thank you 🙏.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for a very useful explanation. As the "repair guy" in my home, professional videos like this save me from disaster or redoing the job.
Thank you so much doing my first tile shower surround. This helped in the questions I had
This was great! THANK YOU!
You answered a lot of my questions. Great, great video. Thanks!
Well articulated discussion. And all that takes time of course.
Good stuff here. Thanks for the info mate, much appreciated!
Using good judgment. That's when the experience comes in. Nice.
Great job!!! Alot of thought put into your method.
Awesome video. You covered every aspect I had questions about. Definitely the most productive 16 minutes of my project.
Excellent explanation on how and why to do it this way!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience
Your the best I’ve seen on utube. Your experience is easy to see and you explain the job fantastic.
Real world here......real good advise!! Thanks
Thank you for this video it has provided a great deal of helpful information for someone just learning to do home Reno’s.😊
A fantastic video! You covered every question I had in mind…. Thank you very much!
very helpful informative video, well done, thank you
very awesome explanation I am facing right now. Great job, thanks
I just had this question in my head and your video popped up. So helpful thanks 😊
Enjoyed the vid, removing a bathtub and installing a shower pan in my Mama's house, will def use window flashing, which I didn't even consider, loved your other vid with the "Mortar poop", haven't received the pan yet (Dreamline), will refer to your vids until the project is complete. Thanks for the hard work!
Great video putting tile above shower surround wasn't sure about backer board and lip also like use of flashing Thanks
About to do this job. Your flashing trick is genius.
The protecto part is genius. I'm glad I found this video!
Lately I've been favoring Zip System Stretch Tape, which easily conforms to curves and sticks tenaciously.
Great video, taught me a lot.
Very well done video. Your experience serves your clients well.
That’s what I’m talking about - all these videos this guy, The Real Deal 👍🏼🥩🥓
Wow, great detail and amazing knowledge/experience...thank you!
I would love to see a video on tiling the front of an alcove drop in tub. Your video was exactly what I was looking for and extremely helpful and detailed. Thank you
I have a few videos on tiling shower walls and the process is identical. The only difference is that you need a method of transitioning at the edge. A bullnose edge tile is one option, using a marble top (in sections) is another. Either way I would recommend using the Schluter Kerdi membrane underneath to waterproof the surround.
Thank you!
Thank you! Great video.
Thanks so much, appreciate the sage advice. I am putting up my shower walls either tomorrow or Thursday. Wish me luck.
Brilliant video new sub keep me busy in lockdown
What a great and educational video! So detailed and such logical non-standard tips for tough situations. Thank you so much!
Great info. Very informative. Thanks!
Just the information I needed. Thank you!
Hello John, i am a DYI'er. Really appreciate the practical discussion about imperfect installation conditions such as wall studding, and moisture control between walls beyond the cement hardieboard, and the sheetrock interface. The self adhesive plastic flashing with a 3 foot plastic skirt seems like a good idea too. Maybe that hot mop and custom shower pan isn't necessary for a good seal!
Amen brother!
This is an awesome tip, brother. Thanks for making the video
Very useful, thank you! Thanks for the honesty.
Building a shrine to this dude. Echoing everyone else, this video is the best out there for any shower bath install. I’m sure the manufacturers hate that you tell us all these tricks, but damn I just spent $70 on z flashing for the lip and now I know I’ll never need that again!
Wow! So informative in only 15 min!!! Thank you sir
Thank you John I will do this tomorrow.🖤🖤🖤🖤❣😎
Grats on how you protected the tub!
That stuff is awesome. It's sold as carpet and flooring protection, but I've used it as protection in bathrooms and kitchens. Some brands have a more aggressive adhesive than others, so always test before you lay it over something important.
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME! GREAT EXPLANATION. VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU SIR!😇
When you read all those instructions from the MFG. It is always under ideal conditions. Even new construction has butchered lumber that is not all true in size and level. Now you do a remodel after the house has settled some. As he said I work in the real world. Great video, thanks.
This is a great video, this is the first time I have seen this method and I really like it.
Exactly what I been looking for thank you
Great real world video and very well explained!
Well explained! Good idea to use that waterproof blueskin-type material stuck to the shower pan.
Great video and thanks for the tips. I enjoyed it.
You’ve just answered my question sir, thank you.
Love this. Subscribed!
The roof flashing is brilliant 😊
Awesome work!
You are a smart guy. Thank you. I'm installing a tub and was trying to figure out how to really waterproof the tub lip to wall joint. Awesome idea with the window and door flashing. It should come with every new tub.
Glad I could help!
Very helpful video, this answers a lot thanks
Very well explained I was gona put shims but hard to skim half inch and hide it. Thank you
Great video. It seems like every time I read the manufactures instructions my first thought is “ well that’s not happening”
In recent years I've noticed that the instruction booklets are so generic as to be meaningless. In some cases they are actually wrong. There is no effort anymore to include expert advice or accurate information with products. You bought it, now you're on your own.
Haha "Home Cheap-O" bahaha love it! Thanks for the video!
Great video, thanks so much, appreciated all the tips!
Solid system..thumbs up
This video really helped. Thanks 🙏🏽
Glad it helped! And, semper fi. My old man retired lieutenant colonel, though I went Navy. As a kid wherever we went my father would bump into other leathernecks and we'd lose half the day while they caught up.
Very good info. 1st time tiling.
Thanks John, great stuff
Your remark about how “we don’t work in ideal/perfect situations” hits hard.
All these desk jockoes sitting in an office design for perfect job sites. But materials are hardly ever perfect
Yes, and this is especially true with remodeling as opposed to new construction. I often see recommendations for materials, designs and techniques which might work fine in new construction but which have significant problems when used in remodeling or repair.
Wow... I literally used window flashing when I did my remodel yesterday... Wife kept making me doubt myself and I can't believe that what I did is what you recommend as a pro contractor. Hahaha! Made me feel redeemed.
I usually fill with mortar then do membrane over that, either kerdi or Redford or ardex 8+9. Havent had a call back yet lol
I have a mess in my shower! My house has two level. The original builder of my house has the brilliant idea to build the shower drain on the top of floor stud support; they cut the stud to make possible the elbow PVC can connect with the pan and drain system and never seal under the exit under the wood floor with shower pan flange. LEAKING TIME! First time, I let him know is a leaking he don't do nothing until a mold came out drywall. So, my husband take "care" and he did a ______ job!!! Coulking time!. Today, 2022 second time same problem. This time I will take care!! this will be my 7th project around the house. This is the best video that I found!!! The extra effort to do a long-lasting job it's worth it because the reality of life is that a lot of house owner like my husband thing that the house will take care by itself!! Thanks!