Milwaukee Tool Making Bold Moves In This Highly Debated Area
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.พ. 2024
- Milwaukee Tool has really been stepping it up and coming out with some great tools for anyone that is looking to go cordless with their Outdoor Power Equipment. It's no surprise that certain states are banning gas powered OPE, but Milwaukee is really giving the competition a run for their money with tools like the one I am talking about today
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I'm kinda vested in the Dewalt ecosystem and I purchased their push mower that included two 9 Ah Flexvolt batteries about 4 years ago and I really have no complaints. It gets the job done and I'm not fatigued after using it. I also been replacing my other gas powered tools when they are on sale, nobody really wants to pay MSRP. :-P
My only gripe is the batteries majority of the time cost more than the tool itself, it doesn't really matter what brand you have. All I can really say that most of the major brands are upping their game on the outdoor tool lines, some better than others.
I love my Milwaukee lawn mower. If I can help it, i'll never push another gas mower.
Agreed. Milwaukee did an amazing job with the mower
It’s great until the 12.0 battery only charges to two or three bars only and you’re out of warranty, then it’s big $$$ to replace the battery. I’ll keep my Honda mower
That’s a lot of money for such a simple application where a manual pruner is so affordable and meets the need of so many people and professionals.
I hear ya. Definitely a manual would be a better buy for many people. That said, I think about the many produce farms around me that have a ton of apple trees. For someone that does this type of work often, this would definitely make life a bit easier
Because people are lazy as hell and it's become pathetic.
Hence why obesity has become a pandemic.
How about the gov not get into controlling our lives. Strange concept.
Can't disagree 👊
It's gotten insane, the depths of their tendrils in our lives
They are doing this to "save the environment" even tho celebrities and billionaires fly private jet just to go 50 miles
So much for working for the people by the people.
Freedoms and liberties of everyday law abiding citizens being reduced every day.
I agree. Some people live in a very sheltered world. The idiots making these rules have never experienced sweat in any form. As a professional I have simply dropped ALL of my customers in the local borough that recently enacted a sweeping noise, no gasoline blowers, trimmers, edgers,mowers and contractor requirement ordinance.
However, so did most of the other providers. This area has mostly all really expensive single family homes and it is run like a HOA. The ordinance also has rules about grass clippings/leaves and sticks on sidewalks and streets, time of day the work can be done (10AM to 4PM ONLY), where a provider/contractor can and can not park commercial trucks and trailers while performing a service,
They also restricted the maximum height, length and width of the trailer used for equipment with some oddball measurements that NONE of our trailers, nor any trailer I have ever seen in my 60 years of living on planet earth would comply with, AND, The truck and trailer require a permit to be issued and will be put on by their code enforcement officer after you pay and pass their inspection BEFORE you start any job.
The residents can't understand why it is next to impossible trying to find someone to do the work? When I explained to my previous customers why we were leaving, I was told "It doesn't seem that bad? All you have to do is a few simple things?"
Well, if I buy a new trailer, AND new electric mowers, blowers, trimmers and THEN make sure to be there within the allowed time slots AND park 2 blocks away and then hump everything to the property and back on the truck AND go through the permitting process?
It can not and will NEVER pay enough to endure all that bull$hit! Oh yea, it also regulates the grass height and if it gets to long, a fine is issued (Which, if the yard in question is under contract? Landscaper pays it, Lol) Talk about some bat Shit crazy rules! Who comes up with this idiotic stupidity?
Clint I bet you live in one of those Hollywood type gated communities with a security guy and everything! 😝. That battery powered lawn equipment is a must for such areas for sure?
Haha, yeah...the security though was hired to keep an eye on me 🤣👊
$500.00!?!?! A homeowner who uses it a few times a year isn’t going to invest in that. I love Milwaukee, own a ton of there tools, would definitely love to add this pruner to my line up but that’s a bit much. I’d probably use once to twice a year. For a commercial landscaping company I can see it making sense for the initial price.
Yeah, I don't thing the call it their "pro lineup " but it's definitely the market they are focusing on
@@ToolReviewZone Thanks for the video Clint!👍
I have a STiHL electric leaf blower and it's great for just my yard. But yeah the batteries are expensive and don't last long. I have the M18 string cutter modular unit with the hedge cutter and it's also a great tool. And it has the same problem, the batteries don't last all day.
That's one of the reasons why I would like to see a new battery platform with Milwaukee. Even Ryobi has a 40v 🤷
@@ToolReviewZoneor maybe a inproment in the batt
Cool Clint 😎
Milwaukee should make an m12 fishing pole with a calibrated line tensioner, an auto reel so the line won’t snap and quick release to throw the line out. That would be real nice like!
Hahaha, definitely would be real nass like 🤣👊
I have the dewalt bypass pruners and I can definitely see how an extendable pole would be awesome.
Yeah brother, they are awesome. Appreciate the comment 👊
Imo the pruners are awesome but bad design. Nobody has time to guide the pruners into the blade. Need to be like others where you hook dragging down over the branch. Their milwaukee design is sloooow.
Gas powered equipment is more powerful and essential to homeowners with larger properties. I have 2.5 acres of landscaping to take care of and could not manage my property on batteries. Especially at that price. It’s better to get Stihl professional equipment in my opinion
I don't understand why the outdoor power equipment is not quieter. if the company's focused on that , then they wouldn't be banned
I tend to agree. I live in a development with houses on every side of me. It was brutal in the spring when everyone was still using gas mowers all at the same time. Now that most of my neighbors switched to battery powered ope, the noise levels are so much better. That said, I still think you would have some complaining that they still run on fossil fuels, but there is nothing I love more than hearing a chainsaw running in the distance on a warm spring day. If these companies can make their gas generators super quiet, I'm sure they can figure out a way to lower the dba of a lawn mower 🤷
Could probably get it way down with a simple muffler.
Most small engines have "mufflers" that are really just exhaust port heat sinks.
Two stroke stuff is a bit harder to quiet, size/weight on handheld tools.
Plus they'd want cats for cleaner emissions.
Could probably run U.S. ethanol motors with mufflers.
Pretty sure some up & comers just want less money/power to big oil.
If they ever get the snow blower out, I'd probably get it.
I don't know what they are doing. I thought that would have been out 2 years ago 🤷
NOONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT TO USE ...PERIOD END OF STORY.
My only complaint with the m12 pruning shears is the weight, they need to find a way to keep it awesome but shed some weight on it
Appears that the motor is down on the user end where it should be. That's nice-like for balance purposes. I have the DeWalt pole saw which has the motor up on the end of the pole and it gets awkward and heavy real quick like. Don't like the Milwaukee price tag though.
Still can’t beat gas powered outdoor tools in some situations.
Smeeesh that like button. 👀👉🏼 👍🏽
Agreed brother. When someone comes out with a battery powered equivalent to a 9,500wt generator that can run all day, then I'll be 100% sold, but gas is definitely still needed is many situations. Oh, and Thanks for the SMEEESH Jason!
Yeah next it would be the vehicles😮
I live near a city that has banned 2 stroke and every single lawn care company is already running EGO, and a couple Toro. The Milwaukee stuff is fine for homeowners and maybe a string trimmer or something but their new releases aimed at commercial lawn care companies are lackluster and underpowered. The specs of the back back blower (that uses 4 batteries) isn't even close to the EGO Commercial line blower. Makita already tried this with their ridiculous 4 battery lawnmower. 18v simply has its limitations. What are they going to do for a zero turn? 20 M18 batteries? Using their MX platform would have made more sense, but those batteries are also too big and heavy for handheld tools. Dedicated OPE platforms have a one battery solution. Why would any company pick Milwaukee when being competitive would nessesitate two separate platforms. Like I said they can do just fine in the homeowner oriented OPE market. Going after the commercial market with an 18v (and also non air cooled) solution is stupidity.
Makita lawnmowers aren't ridiculous, they're 36/40 volts to the motor, which will kill the batteries fairly quickly & subsequently the next set takes over.
They're "pro" grade aimed at homeowners to cut like 1/3-1/2 an acre.
For their intended use they're ok.
I have an Ego push mower and going on year 4 with it. Battery kind of finicky at times about charge. The charger that came with it can fully charge the battery from zero to 100 in 20 minutes. When I am mowing grass I have a list of other stuff to do, so charging is not an issue. I would buy another one. I like the zero maintenance and it is quiet. From a business point of view. I see the cost of battery vs gas. Personally, if I was in the business. I would use Ego in residential and gas in the commercial. Milwaukee makes decent stuff, but the fan gurls over hype their products.
I'm in the trades & did a fair bit of landscaping in my youth.
With the current equipment available it would be very cost prohibitive to operate electric exclusively.
@@adamjames1375 I believe depending on customer type, profit margins can go either way. Batteries are expensive, EGO two pack of 12AH 56v is 1000. As someone who never done landscaping, I can't give an actual comparison without knowing annual cost of maintenance and gas. For the moment gas has the power advantage.
@@donaldgreen9292
Electric is right there in power... it's the runtime where they get crushed. I don't have any data, but I'd also venture to guess the hours worked at a comparable rate before tool failure/death is greater with gas. Also that in regards to an ICE tool, there may be more points of possible failure, but the common problems are readily fixed by amateur mechanics, with widely available relatively cheap parts. If a brushless tool stops working, it's often cost prohibitive to repair & needs a specialized tech.
It'd be interesting to see the initial investment cost juxtaposed to the rate of work the tool can accomplish until failure, accounting for service intervals/fuel/spark plugs/air filters e.t.c... as well as how many cycles the fast charged batteries would accept over time, before their performance took a hit, as well as how many would be required to keep up with gas.
Also the practical logistics & durability, while most tools don't operate in the rain, gas tools are most often on an open trailer/truck bed which is rarely garage kept. Having an inverter/other reliable rugged power source to charge on site.
Lots of variables & up front costs.
Hilti often leases commercial equipment, ...(also have like a crazy 25 year warranty on purchased tools, which are engineered to receive service.) ...entire setups from screwguns to big breakers & will often come on sight to replace a tool when yours fails/needs to be taken for service, otherwise will loan you a comparable or better tool next day.
I think you'd need an offering something approximating that to be appetizing to most businesses.
Or...
Just legislate sparky new green laws while instituting zero contingencies for the already maxed out, antiquated, & bandaided grid.
-Thankyou & Goodnight!!
@@adamjames1375 I am not coming from a climate activist point. Just curios. I work as a mechanic that has both air and battery powered tools. I guess my questions come off as a climate activist, but I am always interested in business functions.
@@donaldgreen9292
Forgive me if I got a bit too horny.
So I own a bit of land, and there is no way in hell I'm trading in my gas for battery, mostly cause I already have the gas, and the battery is crazy expensive, BUUUUTTTTT if I was a landscaper I would fit one crew with all battery and contact every HOA withing 6o miles of me to sell that nice quiet machinery, and really pitch how great it is for the environment. Even if I didn't believe that mast part, I would lie. I bet you get some fresh new contracts
I have a wooded half acre in the suburbs & I double fist 2 brushless 18v (1 Ryobi & 1 Makita) and to push fall leaves it takes me a little over an hour & I dump 6+ batteries...each.
They make significantly stronger blowers but they'll still crush batteries & when you dump them quick, they're too hot to charge, they'll take 20+ minutes to cool down then usually an hour or more to charge, unless you have a rapid charger...which are really hard on batteries & will significantly shorten their lifespan.
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Battery is great for intermittent on off use, or just guys blowing glass clippings for a a few minutes at a time...but for constant run battery can't keep up, can't imagine even residential guys trying to run electric mowers. In fairness, the best string trimmers & blowers would be able to handle a residential lawn crew, but for any big cleanup/extended run, I can't see the current tech not making that very cost prohibitive.
@@adamjames1375 I have about a half acre of yard right in the middle of the woods. My sthil backpack blower is barley enough ans that thing is a beast
@@steelvalleysportsmen7737
I've ran a full size Husky backpack blowers a fair bit at my previous construction/concrete job & I'd estimate I could keep up reasonably well double fisting my two battery units.
Probably a bit less but having two helps & on fairly dry, mostly large maple & oak leaves, I don't think I'd lose too much time.
I have the makita & tons of batteries for my carpentry work and picked up a ton of decent Ryobi stuff during their last summers "Ryobi Days" promotion.
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While I'd likely still lose a shootout, the real issue is the battery life, I have over a dozen of each 4/6 ah o.e.m. in new/good working order & at full chooch you're getting around 10 minutes of runtime.
For my current situation it's ok, but dollar for dollar it's way more expensive up front for less power and I'd imagine the cost of fuel/oil & the occasional plug is heavily offset by the occasional dead (not to be ressurected) battery and power tool.
I'd guess a pro model gas two stroke should be able to push 2k hours before the motors cooked?
You can get the beans outta electric, it's just the runtime & tool longevity.
I'd be interested to see actual runtimes...(hours until the tool is smoked)
I'd have a hard time believing a top level battery tool, could produce similar power as well as approximate hours until its cooked.
Sounds like the Manufacturers (warranties) & customers are in for a beating.
Milwaukee dual batteries blower not refine, trigger with full or stop
should look at Ego
very refine
Situations like this are a double edge sword. The pros are they're quiet, cleaner, more lightweight, and you don't have to worry about your gas going bad during the non-use winter months. The cons are lack of power, longevity of the batteries, length of use per application, and the unsustainability of how they obtain the resources for said batteries. There's always going to be a price for each thing. With gas you have to worry about fossil fuels being finite, and not eco-friendly, however, in order for them to get the lithium for those batteries they have to strip mine which causes huge environmental hazards, and toxic areas that kill plants, and animals.
Let's be honest about this. The government is not doing this for environmental concerns. They're doing it because they, and the companies know that batteries are far more convenient, and can be incredibly lucrative. It's the "think of the children" concern that ends up being the last consideration while they're trying to push it to the moon. Unfortunately the only real way to make this equipment truly eco-friendly is to go back to all manual rotary, and hand powered, which ain't ever gonna happen.
$600 for a tool that's used a few times a year is kind of absurd. Those pruners are more expensive than some of the decent, mid-range lawnmowers I've seen. Hell, I bought a Toro last fall, and it was less than $400.
Why is this more expensive than a pole saw that is way more complicated
Thanks for the comment. It's actually cheaper. The new 13' pole saw is actually $599 tool only. I think you may be talking about the quik-lok pole saw attachment for $299
@@ToolReviewZone yeah I have the quick lock pole saw with extension and it was only $299 when I bought it
This is to pricy. You can just get a pole saw instead and still cheaper or a different brand for half the price
I guess I’ll be waiting for a good sale before I get this puppy! I’ll leave my comments to myself on this governmental mandated push to full battery powered stuff. Don’t get me wrong I like a lot of it just don’t mandate it stupid big Gov. lol
I don't see why Milwaukee is so expensive. I feel like if this was made by Ego it would be half the price or even if they made an attachment for their attachment system. Every tool brand has an attachment system now for lawn care tools....Also, why would you choose this over the pole saw they make or the pole saw from another brand. Ego has a carbon fiber shaft extender for their attachment system I bet if you got the power head, extended reach pole and the pole saw it would be cheaper than this kit....
Missing 36” to 60” lawnmower that can run all day long.
This is not worth $500 in my eyes. Maybe $350 on a bad day. I would buy it as a kit for $350.
Appreciate the feedback brother
A battery chain saw will never come close to gas
Gas
“BattRay Power” Need more education on what stored energy is.
gas vs battray is in terms of ‘power/work/energy’.
Gas = 36,000 watt hours per gallon.
-Thats allot of power but often only converted to mechanical energy at 50-70% efficiency at best. Still ALLOT of power after burnt by the motor even if less efficient.
BattRay = Way Way smaller than 36000 watt hours😂 BUT many redeeming qualities.
-Used on demand for the demand needed. You only expend that precious battery for the exact amount of work needed. Efficient use of the stored energy.
-More efficiently converted from stored energy to mechanical energy. 90-97% efficient.
There is allot more stored energy thoughts to bullet but what are the comments you would add?
That's the one thing I always try to add in my reviews for these types of tool. It's like instant torque and with a good brand battery, barely any bog.
Yikes, 5 Benjamins for bare tool?
All gas has methanol now
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That's real nass like 👊👊👊
Way too much money