Scott, I’ve been using my Milwaukee tracksaw primarily for cutting Hardie fibro products. Hence needing extraction. My solution has been to purchase the metabo “stop start” product. It plugs in between the outlet and your vacuums electrical lead. Then it has a “motion activated” Bluetooth remote which you can seat on your tracksaw. This has been working very well for me. 98% of dust is excluded.
After spending alot of time breaking down plywood with a circ saw for shelving in my van, I didn’t know what I was missing out on until I got my hands on a track saw. The amount of time saved by just plopping the track down along the two measurements at either end compared to meticulously following a line with the circ saw was eye opening.
@evilsimeon Only the expensive shop table saws. Try breaking down sheets with a jobsite saw. Not fun, quite sketchy and will never give you the accuracy and cut quality of a tracksaw. A tracksaw is a game changer for working on-site. You do not know what you're missing until you get one.
This is an important thing that so many builders who tell me I don't need a tracksaw are missing. It's not just about perfect cuts, the things are just faster and easier to use for a myriad of tasks.
I need a tracksaw. But you don't need a tracksaw to get perfect cuts. You can buy a 50" inch or longer "True Grip" clamp on straight edge guide. They make several different brands, which are all good. Then you just follow the clamp with your saw. It's very easy and gives you no blade marks, and a perfectly straight cut. Now, there is a key, and that is, you need to use a high quality circular saw. I had to buy a Flex 7 1/4" cordless saw, because I tested 2 brand new Milwaukee flagship model M18 circular saws, and the footplate was 0.030" misaligned on both of them. If you're getting blade marks or burning, or gouging of the cut with a straight edge, then try getting a different brand saw. The heavy "cast aluminum" foot plate is what you want, not stamped aluminum.
You did an excellent job of pointing out the pros and cons without knocking either saw/brand. For most I think it will boil down to battery brand. Thanks and see you on the next one.
Always enjoyable thanks Scott. I use a yard light remote on my dust collector - with remote button on a lanyard. $20 and works super well for any tool without auto dust capability.
Note that Festool also offers a remote that pairs nicely with their Bluetooth enabled extractors like the CT-MIDI. Works great with my cordless tracksaw from Bosch. No vibration sensor, though. But the price is only 50€ or 90€ for the full upgrade kit (Festool extractor, only).
Dang that Metabo universal starter thing is lowkey the star of the show for me - looked at the Makita universal adapter thing a few weeks back and it was like a few hundred more again! Looks pretty handy for someone like me with a motley crew of different systems and corded things, specially with the PTO on my vac not having much juice. Trying to resist the urge to immediately buy one!
I got a cheap remote plug off Amazon for around £20. been using it for nearly two years in my workshop, it is only an on off switch no vibration sensor but its perfectly good at starting the vac for peanuts.
I agree! I was just thining "Gee, I wonder if I could use a microphone to trigger a wireless vacuum switch" and he pulls out that gem. Wish I could find something equivalent with US style plugs.
Have been on theMilwaukee platform for several years and have been bringing a M18 (and now m12) vacuum with me all of the time for: compound miter saw dust extraction (I set the vacuum near enough, with the on/off switch facing me, set up the cut, turn on the vacuum, make the cut, shut off the vacuum); concrete anchoring (same thing, I set up my penetration, then turn on the vacuum with whatever dust accessory I am using, including just holding the hose by the hole) and for circular saw work. If I used the track saw, I would do the same thing, it's not so challenging to turn the vacuum on and off, and also to have it near enough to my work station (or on the workpiece) to have it do it's job. And it's because I have the battery platform that I would use this workaround. Thanks Scott, you make great videos.
Milwaukee is introducing a whole new vac system later this year. The end of the hose has the controller. So it works with many tools. The remote can also be worn. So no need to every tool a lil bit more expensive with individual control.
I just bought the Milwaukee because I had to cut a couple of dozen 20 step risers,and they turned out great,the best part being no hose or cord catching on the track. I have a couple of festools that work awesome,but this will be my go-to moving forward. So much easier to set up for even a couple of cuts! I found Diablo track saw blades that worked awesome. (Framing ,laminate,and fine finish.) Hooking on the track was super for maneuvering track and saw from cut to cut on the stair jacks.
The close shot of the name "plate" @6:35 triggered a thought that saddens me. You know, they used to punch this important information like arbor size, rpm, power specs,etc onto a sheet of metal riveted to the tool because someone down the road might need such info. The name-sticker is like an acknowledgement that the tool just isn't going to last long enough to require more than a sticker. I dunno. Maybe the cold weather has turned my mood
I have started collecting the Milwaukee tools/battery so I will probably end up with their track saw sooner or later. Just wanted to say I very much appreciate your honest evaluation. (it does matter however being a cordless saw the BT dust collection is not quite as vital IMHO) Edit: My comment about the BT system was that it requires you to also buy the brand vacuum that is compatible with that BT dongle. There are remote switches like the one you used that do not have the vibration sensor just push a switch and are much more economical. They work with any vacuum system and the remote can be moved to other tools or multiple remotes can be purchased.
I live my makita 40v aws track saw. You convinced me to buy it. I now also have the standard 40v skill saw that works with tha track and a specialty V-grove track saw mikita makes for ACM panel.
Irish power tool repairer and TH-camr Dean Doherty was repairing well-used and worn cordless tools. He commented that pros who thrash their tools daily are better served by corded tools. His logic was that brushless tools accumulated heat over the course of the day and that heat melts controllers and other sensitive electronic parts. Brushless cordless tools are better suited for less intensive use. Track saws probably better fit that latter category because of time between cuts fixing tracks, etc. Anyway, it's just an interesting line of thought.
Professionals working on sites will weigh up speed and efficiency against long life. Organised pros will think about how they bash a tool on site and in van and will do clean up, blade care etc. The tool is a machine in the company accounts with an associated depreciation account, based on life expectancy, that provides for replacement. It's simplistic and bad business management to base corded vs cordless decision on such an overheating issue.
My vote goes to the Milwaukee due to the M18 battery platform and imperial depth adjustment. If you're a hobbyist like me, the bluetooth vacuum feature isn't a huge deal. I'd bet most of us use a shopvac (no bluetooth) anyway. A MUCH cheaper solution than the Metabo socket that Scott showed is a simple adapter with remote. I think they are typically used for outdoor holiday lights, but for about $10 USD, it's hard to beat. No, it doesnt detect voltage/vibration, but clicking a button on the remote to turn on/off is a huge convenience upgrade compared to manually turning your vacuum on and off.
Thanks for always giving honest tool reviews. It helps us guys who have a hard time determining which brand or tool is the best for the job, or which one we can sacrifice price for quality and vice versa
This video helped me figure out I'm best served by a corded model. I can connect it to the same thing I use for my table saw, a plug that turns the vacuum on when power is detected. Thank you!
Dude... I love your videos, watched you from 1 episode,great tolls feedback awesome and not boring projects. The reason why I loved your videos is you and the people you have worked with these past years like Chef Paerau- that guy is a legend just like Richard Mills aka Troglodyte and the one and only Kameron or what I call him Yoda for tolls... These are the videos we all want, I know you are too far from working together but you all need that one video for all of us so we can see Carmeron's new 1mil dollars tools, watch Paeru after the accident, and his progress on sheed and house and let's not forget with Richard dig some holes. 1 video will change the world for us . Cheers From Croatia.
My workaround for simultaneous dust extraction w/ the Milwaukee track saw is using the bluetooth button that I bought w/ my Festool dust extractor. The button that straps onto the dust extractor hose was surprisingly inexpensive ($50 U.S.), considering it was from Festool (whose tools are notoriously expensive). Using this feature on my dust extractor allows me to use it with a variety of tools.
If you have a festool extractor with Bluetooth, use their Bluetooth remote on the hose....works brilliantly. Need adapter's for different extraction outlets on each tool, but you probably need them anyhow. Plus only £50 ish...in UK
I brought an early Bosch track saw which doesn’t have the knife, also the saw only sits on one shallow central guide rail without any other way to ensure the saw doesn’t separate from the track. Had kick back and cut into the track. So these developments certainly help on these saws.
I just made a remote switch with an old extension cord that goes tied with velcro to the vacum hose. Spend 15 minutes making it with few components that I already had at my shop. Works well.
Really excellent review, Scott. Thanks. I don't do enough carpentry these days to justify a track saw, but I can lust after one. I am, however, interested in dust extraction. I've rigged up a flexible hose between my 1979 AEG circular saw's dust port and my "shop vac". It works quite well, but I go though a lot of duct tape. 😀😅😉 Way back when, amateur boat builders like me could do really accurate work, but it took a lot of time. I had to cut a lot of curved lines in skinny (2.7mm) ply. to prevent chip-out, I hand scored the lines using a Stanley knife. Slow work.
I bought the Bosch because it has the closest distance between the blade and the edge of the saw. Handy for cutting hanging doors and any flooring trouble hitting walls etc..your video on it convinced of the cutting quality. Milwaukee felt similar to it but it is definitely a good frankinstein design.
This surprised me too. But I do like it. :-) same thick profile extrusion though. I was a bit worried that we'd get a thinner red light duty rail, but no, just prettier.
I love the way these "shoot out" reviews very rarely favour one product over another. It's always: they both have their advantages but it depends what kind of work you do etc etc. Scott sitting on one of his beautifully constructed fences with great diplomacy skills.
I've had the festool TS75, lacked a lot of power but the accuracy was spot on, replaced it with the 2 x 18 makita, loved that saw, the two battery thing drove me crazy and it lacked a tiny bit of accuracy, I now have the Mafell 18v and it's an absolute dream to use. Great video Scott ❤
That red track looks sweet! I have by far Mostly Milwaukee tools, but bought a Festool track saw before they released their track saw. But I’m pretty happy with that Festool.
Hi Scott, Thanks for another great tool review...! What I am always missing out is the weight.... If you are a builder over time you are happy with every tool that weighs less then more... so I really have to say most of my tools are corded and I will continue to by corded tools because of weight and dust extraction.. If you are required to use dust extraction as we are in Europe (I remember you talked about that in one of your videos when you spoke about your work experience in the UK) Its a no brainer to buy a corded tool... even though we live in Canada as a German trained Journeymen finish carpenter and furniture maker we never work in log cabins in the middle of the woods without electricity. After 25 years of building I rather not get more atritis and batteries are unnecessary added weight if you have electricity and use a vacuum... Btw please check out the new king of all track saws in your videos... the brand new Festool TSV 60 with a pre cut.... amazing!
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Hey Scott, love to see you get your hands on the new festool track saw with the scoring blade and do a review? Maybe Gaston can give you a look at one
I use my milwaukee track saw with the dewalt 54volt m class dust extractor which has a cordless activation button. I bought a 3d printed adaptor for £10 to make them compatible with each other.
I use the festool dust extractor and it has a Bluetooth button that comes with it on a rubber strap, I then strap that to the hose end which attaches to the track saw or sander, chop saw or Router, problem solved. This Bluetooth button is around £45 uk 🇬🇧 and is brilliant! Plus the extractor is the best in the biz! The Milwaukee track saw combined with the festool extractor is the best site combo other than a full festool setup. 😊
Hi Scott, from what I noticed when you showed the tracksaw is that your blade is very dirty, with large deposits of sap. It could do with cleaning as this will improve the cut.
Sit blade in, eg, large plastic bucket top with blade cleaning fluid. Watch the gunk wash off. Been doing that for 40 years. Only recently ran out of cleaner I'd had for decades!
I just bought this, but I'll be running it off a DeWalt 4Ah compact 21700 based pack with adaptor since these tiny packs hit hard and a saw isn't a very hard load anyway. The DeWalt track saw, like the DeWalt nail guns, was a "teah, yeah, nah" deal. M18+adaptor+1.7Ah powerstack DeWalt battery for the nail guns :-)
You don’t need the Makita vacuum, that’s because you vab add the AWS adapter from Makita that plugs directly into your vacuum and you have the same features as the cordless models with built in AWS ✌️
I agree with one of the points you touched on Scott, that being that if using an extraction hose, the saw is already attached to something and losing the big benefit of being cordless. In which case why not have corded and take advantage of the associated benefits as mobility matters less. To the same argument, Milwaukee have made a cordless tracksaw without extraction, ergo truly mobile, ergo makes sense not to be attached via hose. It's extraction hose and cable for me though as tracksaws do make a lot of dust from some horrible materials like mdf.
Great review, thanks for sharing. When it comes to the Milwaukee lacking Bluetooth, I think they may have recognized that people are either just going to use the bag or use the Bluetooth function of the undisputed world heavyweight champion of dust extraction: the Festool CT. They can just mount the Bluetooth switch on the handle and that’s good enough. And if not, they always have the option of adding Bluetooth to their batteries like Festool.
I bought my Festool TS 55 about 12years ago and cut a whole lot of stuff with it over the years … and yet she still purrs as if I get her from the shops yesterday. I will never swap to a different brand.
Love my cordless Milwaukee for smaller onsite jobs. Works well w my festool tracks. Dust collection into bag is remarkably good and half the time im cutting outside so whatever. Bag fills up fast tho!
Glad someone has finally spoken the truth on a Milwaukee review… I’ve said this for years, Milwaukee fans are always five years behind others on site, boasting about the fact they paid more money for a rip off version of other brands. This is exactly the same as the nail gun scenario… they copied hikok (the best in its league of gas free cordless nailers) but made it heavier, more expensive and unable to fit between studs 🤷♂️ if retirement is in sight, don’t wait for the Milwaukee.. make those last five years on the job easier with the cheaper, better original 😂. Hats off to you though Scott, another great video!
Milwaukee could fix the bluetooth issue by including a module in a battery in future, turn on when sense draw would be simple. But the issue I think this highlights is the proprietary nature of tools, there is no ability to pair brands with each other so you will always need the matching vacuum with matching bluetooth dongle. The current battery situation is bad enough but the bluetooth situation is really unforgivable when it would cost nothing to allow pairing between manufacturers.
300 bucks for the remote is in insane. I bought a remote controled power point off of amazon for about £10. It plugs into a normal socket, then you plug your vacuum into it . The power is controlled with a button on a keyfob. Will work even if you're in a diferent room..
As you would normally have dust extraction connected is it worthwhile having cordless or would mains be the same? Now go to to end of video - you have answered this, thanks
Not sure why Milwaukee skipped bluethooth ? Maybe next year along with OneKey which is not in this model. For dust extraction, I use the Festool Midi and BT button so I'm ok. Another thing is that the Milwaukee track works with the new Milwaukee Router and Guide.
Hi Scott, hope you’ll see this comment, I recently bought a makita 40v plunge saw and after checking it I noticed it had bowed outwards base, I had it replaced and new one came even worse, Makita rep said they never had any issues reported but it bugged me that it was rocking on the track, for comparison I checked my 8yr old 110v maffel and it was perfectly flat. Finally I took the base off and bent it back myself. It’s not as bad now but I think it has a week point when you lock it at 90 degrees and the adjusting screws are pushing it outward, and it has that U shape notch on the blade side which makes it even more vulnerable. If you see this comment please could you check if your base is flat on the blade side or I’m just unlucky. Thanks!
That metabo vac adapter is awesome, if the price was reasonable then I reckon most people would choose it over a bluetooth option like what festool or makita offer
milwaukee 0950-20 is the remote vacuum switch, works similarly but it does not have the saw vibration sensing ability, that may be a patented function of that $300 remote you have
Two batteries to run?!?!----Terrible idea Makita! Metabo has one battery platform for 18/36v tools. One battery-2 voltages. They don't make a track saw yet, and I wouldn't buy it if they did. Rough cut with the 36v skil saw, then final dimension with the 36v table saw and sliding miter saw. Far more accurate, repeatable and fast. Best battery platform for carpenters by heaps!! (I think kiwis say heaps)
I use my mitre saw to rip aluminium sheet, using a bar clamped for the straight edge. Can tracksaws be used to rip metal sheet too? Would be far easier if so
I was pretty surprised Milwaukee didn't have a automatic vacuum turn on. It's not a big deal for me because I have a Festool vacuum and it has a little Bluetooth button on the end of the hose so you just have to hit the button and turn on the vacuum and off you go. Festool vacuums are awesome
If you have to clamp the track what’s the difference between the tried and trued method of just clamping a straight edge and running your circ saw along that? What I’ve been doing for 20 years.
I have the xgt. It’s very good for a battery motor, it isn’t as powerful as I thought a 36/40 volt system is capable of…. Milwaukee did the same thing with only 18 volts.
I have the Makita corded version just because my saw get used mostly in the shop and I did not want another battery platform. The cord in my opinion is a bit of a strange discussion point if you use a vacuum hose. I am not a fan of the Makita depth stop - it has not really intuitive unless you use the saw a lot. I stick to corded tools if they are expensive and will not wear out before the battery platform does. That’s a ROI discussion
The riving knife comes out fairly easy and is meant to come off. That’s what the hole behind the arbor window on the side of the saw is for. I agree 100% about the lack of Bluetooth. That is something every major brand has a on there tracksaw. I can’t understand why you would be the last to release your tracksaw and leave out a feature like that. Overall, I love the saw but very disappointing about that though.
Scott, I’ve been using my Milwaukee tracksaw primarily for cutting Hardie fibro products. Hence needing extraction. My solution has been to purchase the metabo “stop start” product. It plugs in between the outlet and your vacuums electrical lead. Then it has a “motion activated” Bluetooth remote which you can seat on your tracksaw. This has been working very well for me. 98% of dust is excluded.
You mean like the one he showed in the video? LOL.
@@littlejackalo5326 yes exactly. My point was I have been using it for some time. Approx 50 houses as yet and all is well
After spending alot of time breaking down plywood with a circ saw for shelving in my van, I didn’t know what I was missing out on until I got my hands on a track saw. The amount of time saved by just plopping the track down along the two measurements at either end compared to meticulously following a line with the circ saw was eye opening.
Welcome to the world of efficiency.👍🇨🇦
Table saws are faster
@evilsimeon Only the expensive shop table saws. Try breaking down sheets with a jobsite saw. Not fun, quite sketchy and will never give you the accuracy and cut quality of a tracksaw. A tracksaw is a game changer for working on-site. You do not know what you're missing until you get one.
This is an important thing that so many builders who tell me I don't need a tracksaw are missing. It's not just about perfect cuts, the things are just faster and easier to use for a myriad of tasks.
I need a tracksaw. But you don't need a tracksaw to get perfect cuts. You can buy a 50" inch or longer "True Grip" clamp on straight edge guide. They make several different brands, which are all good. Then you just follow the clamp with your saw. It's very easy and gives you no blade marks, and a perfectly straight cut. Now, there is a key, and that is, you need to use a high quality circular saw.
I had to buy a Flex 7 1/4" cordless saw, because I tested 2 brand new Milwaukee flagship model M18 circular saws, and the footplate was 0.030" misaligned on both of them.
If you're getting blade marks or burning, or gouging of the cut with a straight edge, then try getting a different brand saw. The heavy "cast aluminum" foot plate is what you want, not stamped aluminum.
You did an excellent job of pointing out the pros and cons without knocking either saw/brand. For most I think it will boil down to battery brand. Thanks and see you on the next one.
A Scott brown video on a Friday night is the perfect start to a weekend!
9 beers deep at 1 am and you see a SB vid pop up its a celebratory moment. Cheers scott jess and the rest.
Always enjoyable thanks Scott. I use a yard light remote on my dust collector - with remote button on a lanyard. $20 and works super well for any tool without auto dust capability.
And the name and model number is?
Note that Festool also offers a remote that pairs nicely with their Bluetooth enabled extractors like the CT-MIDI. Works great with my cordless tracksaw from Bosch. No vibration sensor, though. But the price is only 50€ or 90€ for the full upgrade kit (Festool extractor, only).
Dang that Metabo universal starter thing is lowkey the star of the show for me - looked at the Makita universal adapter thing a few weeks back and it was like a few hundred more again! Looks pretty handy for someone like me with a motley crew of different systems and corded things, specially with the PTO on my vac not having much juice. Trying to resist the urge to immediately buy one!
I got a cheap remote plug off Amazon for around £20. been using it for nearly two years in my workshop, it is only an on off switch no vibration sensor but its perfectly good at starting the vac for peanuts.
I went straight down and bought one. Works awesome and cost $175 Australian dollars. Thanks Scott. 😉
I agree! I was just thining "Gee, I wonder if I could use a microphone to trigger a wireless vacuum switch" and he pulls out that gem. Wish I could find something equivalent with US style plugs.
Have been on theMilwaukee platform for several years and have been bringing a M18 (and now m12) vacuum with me all of the time for: compound miter saw dust extraction (I set the vacuum near enough, with the on/off switch facing me, set up the cut, turn on the vacuum, make the cut, shut off the vacuum); concrete anchoring (same thing, I set up my penetration, then turn on the vacuum with whatever dust accessory I am using, including just holding the hose by the hole) and for circular saw work.
If I used the track saw, I would do the same thing, it's not so challenging to turn the vacuum on and off, and also to have it near enough to my work station (or on the workpiece) to have it do it's job. And it's because I have the battery platform that I would use this workaround.
Thanks Scott, you make great videos.
You’re over using brackets. It doesn’t make a lick of sense why you are using them so much. It’s very hard to read friend.
Milwaukee is introducing a whole new vac system later this year. The end of the hose has the controller. So it works with many tools. The remote can also be worn. So no need to every tool a lil bit more expensive with individual control.
I just bought the Milwaukee because I had to cut a couple of dozen 20 step risers,and they turned out great,the best part being no hose or cord catching on the track. I have a couple of festools that work awesome,but this will be my go-to moving forward. So much easier to set up for even a couple of cuts! I found Diablo track saw blades that worked awesome. (Framing ,laminate,and fine finish.)
Hooking on the track was super for maneuvering track and saw from cut to cut on the stair jacks.
The close shot of the name "plate" @6:35 triggered a thought that saddens me. You know, they used to punch this important information like arbor size, rpm, power specs,etc onto a sheet of metal riveted to the tool because someone down the road might need such info. The name-sticker is like an acknowledgement that the tool just isn't going to last long enough to require more than a sticker. I dunno. Maybe the cold weather has turned my mood
I have started collecting the Milwaukee tools/battery so I will probably end up with their track saw sooner or later. Just wanted to say I very much appreciate your honest evaluation. (it does matter however being a cordless saw the BT dust collection is not quite as vital IMHO) Edit: My comment about the BT system was that it requires you to also buy the brand vacuum that is compatible with that BT dongle. There are remote switches like the one you used that do not have the vibration sensor just push a switch and are much more economical. They work with any vacuum system and the remote can be moved to other tools or multiple remotes can be purchased.
What’s this? Scott Brown on a Friday night?! I’ll take it.
Friday 8 am in England 🥱🧱👍🏽
I'll take it to!!
I live my makita 40v aws track saw. You convinced me to buy it. I now also have the standard 40v skill saw that works with tha track and a specialty V-grove track saw mikita makes for ACM panel.
Jess popped out with the girls. He’s bored.
Way too early here in East Coast. I woke to an SBC notification like wtf! Happily I might add.
Irish power tool repairer and TH-camr Dean Doherty was repairing well-used and worn cordless tools. He commented that pros who thrash their tools daily are better served by corded tools. His logic was that brushless tools accumulated heat over the course of the day and that heat melts controllers and other sensitive electronic parts. Brushless cordless tools are better suited for less intensive use. Track saws probably better fit that latter category because of time between cuts fixing tracks, etc. Anyway, it's just an interesting line of thought.
He is always complaining that Milwaukee is really poor with spare part availability.
Professionals working on sites will weigh up speed and efficiency against long life. Organised pros will think about how they bash a tool on site and in van and will do clean up, blade care etc. The tool is a machine in the company accounts with an associated depreciation account, based on life expectancy, that provides for replacement. It's simplistic and bad business management to base corded vs cordless decision on such an overheating issue.
Hold on, what about corded brushless? That's starting to increase.
Milwakee to my knowledge doesn't have a Bluetooth vacuum to connect to but they do have a button to use with their dust extractor.
My vote goes to the Milwaukee due to the M18 battery platform and imperial depth adjustment.
If you're a hobbyist like me, the bluetooth vacuum feature isn't a huge deal. I'd bet most of us use a shopvac (no bluetooth) anyway. A MUCH cheaper solution than the Metabo socket that Scott showed is a simple adapter with remote. I think they are typically used for outdoor holiday lights, but for about $10 USD, it's hard to beat. No, it doesnt detect voltage/vibration, but clicking a button on the remote to turn on/off is a huge convenience upgrade compared to manually turning your vacuum on and off.
Thanks for always giving honest tool reviews. It helps us guys who have a hard time determining which brand or tool is the best for the job, or which one we can sacrifice price for quality and vice versa
This video helped me figure out I'm best served by a corded model. I can connect it to the same thing I use for my table saw, a plug that turns the vacuum on when power is detected. Thank you!
Like you said at 15:38, if you are plugging a hose at it, it does not matter if it cordless or not. That why i'm still with my 10y/o makita
Dude... I love your videos, watched you from 1 episode,great tolls feedback awesome and not boring projects. The reason why I loved your videos is you and the people you have worked with these past years like Chef Paerau- that guy is a legend just like Richard Mills aka Troglodyte and the one and only Kameron or what I call him Yoda for tolls... These are the videos we all want, I know you are too far from working together but you all need that one video for all of us so we can see Carmeron's new 1mil dollars tools, watch Paeru after the accident, and his progress on sheed and house and let's not forget with Richard dig some holes. 1 video will change the world for us . Cheers From Croatia.
My workaround for simultaneous dust extraction w/ the Milwaukee track saw is using the bluetooth button that I bought w/ my Festool dust extractor. The button that straps onto the dust extractor hose was surprisingly inexpensive ($50 U.S.), considering it was from Festool (whose tools are notoriously expensive). Using this feature on my dust extractor allows me to use it with a variety of tools.
Scott, you make a track saw look interesting to a non builder like myself. Well done.😎
That blue wall is amazing, great choice!
If you have a festool extractor with Bluetooth, use their Bluetooth remote on the hose....works brilliantly. Need adapter's for different extraction outlets on each tool, but you probably need them anyhow.
Plus only £50 ish...in UK
I brought an early Bosch track saw which doesn’t have the knife, also the saw only sits on one shallow central guide rail without any other way to ensure the saw doesn’t separate from the track.
Had kick back and cut into the track. So these developments certainly help on these saws.
I just made a remote switch with an old extension cord that goes tied with velcro to the vacum hose. Spend 15 minutes making it with few components that I already had at my shop. Works well.
Sounds like it's time to make your first youtube video
Really excellent review, Scott. Thanks. I don't do enough carpentry these days to justify a track saw, but I can lust after one. I am, however, interested in dust extraction. I've rigged up a flexible hose between my 1979 AEG circular saw's dust port and my "shop vac". It works quite well, but I go though a lot of duct tape. 😀😅😉
Way back when, amateur boat builders like me could do really accurate work, but it took a lot of time. I had to cut a lot of curved lines in skinny (2.7mm) ply. to prevent chip-out, I hand scored the lines using a Stanley knife. Slow work.
Dust extraction: Smart plug and "Alexa turn on vacuum". You can also use your phone or various Smart Buttons (wireless switch).
I bought the Bosch because it has the closest distance between the blade and the edge of the saw. Handy for cutting hanging doors and any flooring trouble hitting walls etc..your video on it convinced of the cutting quality. Milwaukee felt similar to it but it is definitely a good frankinstein design.
I can't believe you guys got red tracks and the US got regular old bare aluminum
😂😂😂😂
This surprised me too. But I do like it. :-) same thick profile extrusion though. I was a bit worried that we'd get a thinner red light duty rail, but no, just prettier.
Because we're special 🤣
@@kristene2372What are we? Chopped liver?
I love the way these "shoot out" reviews very rarely favour one product over another. It's always: they both have their advantages but it depends what kind of work you do etc etc. Scott sitting on one of his beautifully constructed fences with great diplomacy skills.
I've had the festool TS75, lacked a lot of power but the accuracy was spot on, replaced it with the 2 x 18 makita, loved that saw, the two battery thing drove me crazy and it lacked a tiny bit of accuracy, I now have the Mafell 18v and it's an absolute dream to use. Great video Scott ❤
Does the mafell 18v struggle with the same issue as the older corded saws with the blade stepping out when you use the score feature?
Getting James Hoffman vibes from the comparison in the garden. Like the format and the B roll, very well done 👍
That red track looks sweet! I have by far Mostly Milwaukee tools, but bought a Festool track saw before they released their track saw. But I’m pretty happy with that Festool.
I love mine! Got it brand new on eBay for $300 and bought 110 in WEN track for $70.
Hi Scott,
Thanks for another great tool review...!
What I am always missing out is the weight....
If you are a builder over time you are happy with every tool that weighs less then more... so I really have to say most of my tools are corded and I will continue to by corded tools because of weight and dust extraction.. If you are required to use dust extraction as we are in Europe (I remember you talked about that in one of your videos when you spoke about your work experience in the UK) Its a no brainer to buy a corded tool... even though we live in Canada as a German trained Journeymen finish carpenter and furniture maker we never work in log cabins in the middle of the woods without electricity. After 25 years of building I rather not get more atritis and batteries are unnecessary added weight if you have electricity and use a vacuum... Btw please check out the new king of all track saws in your videos... the brand new Festool TSV 60 with a pre cut.... amazing!
Hey Scott, love to see you get your hands on the new festool track saw with the scoring blade and do a review? Maybe Gaston can give you a look at one
totaly agree about the vacuum Bluetooth connection of the track saw to shopvac!
I use my milwaukee track saw with the dewalt 54volt m class dust extractor which has a cordless activation button. I bought a 3d printed adaptor for £10 to make them compatible with each other.
I use the Makita system. I like the ability between Festool and Makita. I do have one advantage. I have a vertical and horizontal panel saw.
I use the festool dust extractor and it has a Bluetooth button that comes with it on a rubber strap, I then strap that to the hose end which attaches to the track saw or sander, chop saw or Router, problem solved. This Bluetooth button is around £45 uk 🇬🇧 and is brilliant! Plus the extractor is the best in the biz! The Milwaukee track saw combined with the festool extractor is the best site combo other than a full festool setup. 😊
Hi Scott, from what I noticed when you showed the tracksaw is that your blade is very dirty, with large deposits of sap. It could do with cleaning as this will improve the cut.
Sit blade in, eg, large plastic bucket top with blade cleaning fluid. Watch the gunk wash off. Been doing that for 40 years. Only recently ran out of cleaner I'd had for decades!
@@cuebjWhat cleaner do you use?
His mate Gaston from piranha tools showed him in a previous episode
Geez the garden is looking good
I just bought this, but I'll be running it off a DeWalt 4Ah compact 21700 based pack with adaptor since these tiny packs hit hard and a saw isn't a very hard load anyway. The DeWalt track saw, like the DeWalt nail guns, was a "teah, yeah, nah" deal. M18+adaptor+1.7Ah powerstack DeWalt battery for the nail guns :-)
Someone at Milwaukee is getting in trouble for forgetting the auto dust chip! Nice saw! Great vid as always!
Festool has a bluetooth remote that you can put on the hose. $80 US. So long as you have one of their Bluetooth compatible dust extractors.
You don’t need the Makita vacuum, that’s because you vab add the AWS adapter from Makita that plugs directly into your vacuum and you have the same features as the cordless models with built in AWS ✌️
I agree with one of the points you touched on Scott, that being that if using an extraction hose, the saw is already attached to something and losing the big benefit of being cordless. In which case why not have corded and take advantage of the associated benefits as mobility matters less. To the same argument, Milwaukee have made a cordless tracksaw without extraction, ergo truly mobile, ergo makes sense not to be attached via hose. It's extraction hose and cable for me though as tracksaws do make a lot of dust from some horrible materials like mdf.
Great review, thanks for sharing. When it comes to the Milwaukee lacking Bluetooth, I think they may have recognized that people are either just going to use the bag or use the Bluetooth function of the undisputed world heavyweight champion of dust extraction: the Festool CT. They can just mount the Bluetooth switch on the handle and that’s good enough. And if not, they always have the option of adding Bluetooth to their batteries like Festool.
I found your channel because of your first track saw video. That video is still a favorite of mine, it's a great review and very funny
As luck would have it I have a busy morning planned for tomorrow, so a Friday night video is just what I needed! Shot bro
You are very good , probably one of the best . Many thanks & God bless you .
Yacov from Israel
Milwaukee makes a hepa vac with a wrist button to turn the vac on or off. Works with a shop vac too
I bought my Festool TS 55 about 12years ago and cut a whole lot of stuff with it over the years … and yet she still purrs as if I get her from the shops yesterday. I will never swap to a different brand.
Didn't that blade removal turn go in 'reverse' (ie. counter clockwise) where circular saws tighten anti clockwise ?
Love my cordless Milwaukee for smaller onsite jobs. Works well w my festool tracks. Dust collection into bag is remarkably good and half the time im cutting outside so whatever. Bag fills up fast tho!
If you have a Festool vacuum they offer a Bluetooth remote. It has to be turned on. It doesn’t turn on automatically but it’s only $88.
Glad someone has finally spoken the truth on a Milwaukee review… I’ve said this for years, Milwaukee fans are always five years behind others on site, boasting about the fact they paid more money for a rip off version of other brands. This is exactly the same as the nail gun scenario… they copied hikok (the best in its league of gas free cordless nailers) but made it heavier, more expensive and unable to fit between studs 🤷♂️ if retirement is in sight, don’t wait for the Milwaukee.. make those last five years on the job easier with the cheaper, better original 😂. Hats off to you though Scott, another great video!
Never heard of Hikok.
Festool vacuum’s also have the Bluetooth remote you can purchase in the states its like $80 I believe.
They do have a plug-in and a Bluetooth remote that goes on your wrist. In Canada, it’s about 180 bucks.
Milwaukee could fix the bluetooth issue by including a module in a battery in future, turn on when sense draw would be simple. But the issue I think this highlights is the proprietary nature of tools, there is no ability to pair brands with each other so you will always need the matching vacuum with matching bluetooth dongle. The current battery situation is bad enough but the bluetooth situation is really unforgivable when it would cost nothing to allow pairing between manufacturers.
100%, needs a universal bluetooth standard
Off topic..what’s the best portable size/type of generator to use for job sites with no power, for tools etc..4kw plus? 👍✊🇦🇺🙏
I can see that simultaneous stop/start is useful, but surely it isn't that big a deal to keep the vacuum running as you use the saw?
Thanks for the review! When you lay the saw to an angle does the saw still run along the rubber of the track like a festool?
Fun fact. Frankenstein was the mad scientist. Frankenstein's Monster is who we all mistakenly call Frankenstein.
300 bucks for the remote is in insane. I bought a remote controled power point off of amazon for about £10. It plugs into a normal socket, then you plug your vacuum into it . The power is controlled with a button on a keyfob. Will work even if you're in a diferent room..
As you would normally have dust extraction connected is it worthwhile having cordless or would mains be the same?
Now go to to end of video - you have answered this, thanks
Not sure why Milwaukee skipped bluethooth ? Maybe next year along with OneKey which is not in this model. For dust extraction, I use the Festool Midi and BT button so I'm ok. Another thing is that the Milwaukee track works with the new Milwaukee Router and Guide.
Didn't know the new Router works on this track! Guess I'll be getting this Tracksaw in a little bit.
Thanks!
The new Guide also works with the older Compact Router 2723 and allow the old router to slide on the track
Aren’t there Makita circular saws which also fits on their track and only use one 18v Batterie?
They don’t have the plunge feature
Hi Scott, hope you’ll see this comment, I recently bought a makita 40v plunge saw and after checking it I noticed it had bowed outwards base, I had it replaced and new one came even worse, Makita rep said they never had any issues reported but it bugged me that it was rocking on the track, for comparison I checked my 8yr old 110v maffel and it was perfectly flat. Finally I took the base off and bent it back myself. It’s not as bad now but I think it has a week point when you lock it at 90 degrees and the adjusting screws are pushing it outward, and it has that U shape notch on the blade side which makes it even more vulnerable. If you see this comment please could you check if your base is flat on the blade side or I’m just unlucky. Thanks!
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That metabo vac adapter is awesome, if the price was reasonable then I reckon most people would choose it over a bluetooth option like what festool or makita offer
milwaukee 0950-20 is the remote vacuum switch, works similarly but it does not have the saw vibration sensing ability, that may be a patented function of that $300 remote you have
Two batteries to run?!?!----Terrible idea Makita! Metabo has one battery platform for 18/36v tools. One battery-2 voltages. They don't make a track saw yet, and I wouldn't buy it if they did. Rough cut with the 36v skil saw, then final dimension with the 36v table saw and sliding miter saw. Far more accurate, repeatable and fast. Best battery platform for carpenters by heaps!! (I think kiwis say heaps)
makita has one battery saw, XGT Makita SP001GZ02
Metabo make a track saw, a very good one actually: KT18 LTX BL
Thank you and have a good week.
I use my mitre saw to rip aluminium sheet, using a bar clamped for the straight edge.
Can tracksaws be used to rip metal sheet too?
Would be far easier if so
Great job Scott , I have watched many milwaukee track saw reviews and thats the first time i've heard that mentioned.
Heard what?
no blue tooth . his only real complaint. @@rowankeltizar5961
Does the cutting edge change, when cutting bevels, or does it stay the same?
What’s the advantage of a cordless track saw if you’re still going to be tethered by a vacuum hose?
Thats what scott said.
just an FYI you can run the Festool track saw on one battery.
who is the manufacturer of your remote vacuum control unit for $ 300.00 and where might it be purchased from. thanks
1:05 cheeky flash of chef paerau haha the myth the legend
I was pretty surprised Milwaukee didn't have a automatic vacuum turn on. It's not a big deal for me because I have a Festool vacuum and it has a little Bluetooth button on the end of the hose so you just have to hit the button and turn on the vacuum and off you go.
Festool vacuums are awesome
I get the vacuum thing. It’s a very nice feature. But, what’s the big deal of turning on vacuum before/after you use the saw?
300 for the remote is nuts, in the U.S. Amazon is loaded with power remotes for 10-20
Which model # of saw is that and how did you get red colored track? Can't find red anywhere.
Can you buy Diablo blades over there?
Usually I'm not interested in purchasing tools I see people reviewing. But in this case it might be worth taking a look.
If you have to clamp the track what’s the difference between the tried and trued method of just clamping a straight edge and running your circ saw along that? What I’ve been doing for 20 years.
YES , milwaukee does do some similar to the metabo, cost less but it’s like the festool, its a band with a butom
I have the xgt. It’s very good for a battery motor, it isn’t as powerful as I thought a 36/40 volt system is capable of…. Milwaukee did the same thing with only 18 volts.
The metabo control is at bunnings and total for $175 in Australia. Bunnings is a special order. Im buying one asap
Milwaukee makes a Bluetooth adapter to control vacuum wirelessly for $120 US
Cheers
another good video Scott!
Friday vid? Do we get a saturday cartoon as well?
I have the Makita corded version just because my saw get used mostly in the shop and I did not want another battery platform. The cord in my opinion is a bit of a strange discussion point if you use a vacuum hose. I am not a fan of the Makita depth stop - it has not really intuitive unless you use the saw a lot.
I stick to corded tools if they are expensive and will not wear out before the battery platform does. That’s a ROI discussion
Great! Suspense is killing me? What is it?@Scott-brown-carpentry-
Which corded track saw would you recommend? I'm guessing one of the Makita ones?
Does the Milwaukee have multiple length tracks? I have all three for the Makita and really like the convenience.
I have the Festool vacuum that has Bluetooth and bought the button to put on the hose so I can put on the vacuum from the tool whatever tool I use
The riving knife comes out fairly easy and is meant to come off. That’s what the hole behind the arbor window on the side of the saw is for. I agree 100% about the lack of Bluetooth. That is something every major brand has a on there tracksaw. I can’t understand why you would be the last to release your tracksaw and leave out a feature like that. Overall, I love the saw but very disappointing about that though.
can you do the Hikoki track saw and compare it please! i would like to know which one is best