I would like to foramlly apologize to Mohg. He was being Miquellested and did not deserve the hate that I have thrown at him. I regret my words and I hope he can forgive me :(
It can be argued that Malenia is pride, or at least was pride. Milicent did mention how she tossed away her pride when she unleashed the scarlet rot. Also, she seems to take great pride in being "Malenia, Blade of Miquella" and not "Malenia, Goddess of Rot." Why else would she feel the need to tell you each time she kills you over and over and over and over and over again?
Canonically speaking, the tarnished never dies while we play as it and it's out first time encounter one another so it's just formality to inform one on who they are
I do agree that Malenia should be pride. She's not showing any sort of anger, her combat moves are precise and she'd rather release the Scarlet Rot cursing the entirety of Caelid then risk loosing the Battle against Radahn, risk loosing her "never known defeat" status. Also a lot of the time Pride is usually depicted as the most powerful of sins like in FullMetal Alchemist. Dragon Age series also depicts Pride demons as the strongest of the sin related bunch, and Malenia Is a superendgame boss. On the other hand it's not that easy to relate Wrath to Radahn as we don't know much about how he used to be. He is a pretty angry big boss now though.
In my opinion, Malenia bloomed the first time due to pride. She was Malenia, an undefeated swordsman. Her whole life she struggles against her curse and this is the one purpose she has. Every bit of self worth she has is pinned on her ability with the sword. Her reputation, ability to protect her brother, to lead an army. I believe she bloomed to keep her pride, and I love the irony that the very thing she trained to keep her rot in check leads to its release.
Love the video, and this fits really well. I always envisioned it as: Rykard: Gluttony Godrick: Greed Rennala: Sloth Mohg: Lust Morgott: Envy Malenia: Pride Rhadan: Wrath
@@ronaldobaci3188I was honestly thinking this the moment he covered Godrick. He isn’t lazy, he desperately and obsessively tries to be strong and prove himself capable as a demigod, which is the opposite of sloth. He didn’t even get the lore right, Godrick was hounded from Leyndell, forcefully kicked out, he never wanted to leave. Got his character terribly wrong
The game flat out tells you "radagon is marika" if you use the incantation law of regression in front of the statue with the message *regression reveals all" in pre ashen leyndell
everyone knows that radagon is marika, the big question is, was radagon always marika? or were they fused later on? personally i belive that they were always the same person but this is just me
@@jade-chan9122Never understood that doubt tbh, if Radagon was another person before joining Marika, how the hell are Rykard, Radahn and Ranni (an empyrean candidate no less) demigods?
@@MennydorgesERArchive maybe due to their immense power? unsure too, but yes i also do belive that he was the same person as marika, it would make more sense like you said
I think I would actually switch Renala and Godrick. After separating from Radagon she cannot bring herself to do a thing. Godrick lusts after the powers the other shard bearers possess and actively orders his servants to bring things to him to graft, the dragon being a recent acquisition. Rather than sit around and do nothing as Renala does he is actively but very slowly gathering power to himself. But thats just my two cents. The rest seem rather spot on.
I’d further switch godrick with mohg, making godrick greed and mohg lust. For one “greedy godrick” is too funny to ignore. And mohg should be lust for… pretty obvious egg-shaped reasons
@@mysteriousstranger5873 I can see the argumentation for it. On further inspection I'd also change Malenia and Radahn as Pride fits Malenia a bit better "I have never known defeat" even though she factually had to retreat from Radahn making it a defacto loss. And of course Radahn being pure wrath at this point attacking unblinkingly and consuming enemies and allies alike.
@alucardwesker6807 You are right. Remember, this is a japanese game made by japanese developers. In japanese pop culture the sin of wrath is understood as less about anger and more about violence. Radahn, in his maddened state, is definitely the most violent of the shard bearers; lashing out at friend and foe. Melania as an empyrean, goddess, strongest swordsman, and arguably hardest boss, stands on top. True she is subservient to Miquella, but her loyalty to him is its own form pride, bushido. She is metaphorically a samurai who takes great pride in her loyalty to her vassal lord, Miquella.
I think Morgott doesnt envy his father, but the Tarnished as a whole. It implied that Godfrey is somewhat of an Abraham of The Lands Between, he was said to be the first tarnished after all and spread around the overall world of Elden Ring. Then we have Enia telling us that the Two Fingers are displeased with the Demi--Gods and are now turning their gaze towards the Tarnished. Morgott wanted to be given the chance that the Tarnished we're granted, but he couldnt bring himself to burn down the tree, that would be high treason and sacriledge. Tragedy comes from the nature of a character and that is Morgott, he just couldn't, loved it he did despite never been loved back.
To be fair he may not have known that burning the Erdtree was necessary to pierce Radagon's brambles sealing the doors. He may have simply tried entering, found himself unable to despite being very powerful and holding a great rune, and determined if he couldn't at this point then nobody could.
@@kylegonewildi also find it quite likely that he accepted his inability of passage so eagerly based on his preconceptions of himself as a lesser, unfitting being from birth.
@@iinfrunamii.Na i reckon morgott knew he never would be allowed to enter since he has no maiden and maidens are required as kindling to burn the thorns of the erdtree
My guess going into this Godrick: Greed, grafting, greedy for power (could also be envy for his grafting being a result of envy of the demigods power) Malenia: Pride. This feels like a stretch but I feel like it fits better than any other. maybe she holds back the rot goddess in her vain perception of her own strength, and also out of pride for her brother Mohg: Lust, for power and his gateway to power bring the... Stuff he wants with miquella Morgott: Envy of the other demigods not being a castout of the golden order he loves Radahn: wrath This is the biggest stretch, maybe wrath against the carians he was once allied with, then her held back the stars partly so as to diminish there strength Rennala: sloth, having lost everything, she wallows in despair, slowing making sweetlings as a comfort habit. Rykard: Gluttony CONSUME THE WORLD
This comment is correct. I would have used different, more elaborate detailed explanations, but the order is still accurate. The video mixes them up a bit.
Radahn was also holding back all of those stars while essentially brain dead, can you imagine just how powerful prime radahn with his brain unrotted and his body intact was
That's why so many people are hoping time travel is involved in the upcoming DLC Tarnished: "I've beaten you before." Radahn: "Congratulations. You've beaten a half brain dead animal whittled down by a flesh eating virus and occupied with holding back the stars. You've beaten me when I was hurt. You've beaten me when I was hungry, cornered, stupid, and weak. Can you beat me when I'm READY?"
Not really evidence is he got bodied at his prime by Morgot who didn't even need his sword, failed to actually beat Godrick, and worked with Mohg to lure the increasingly weak Malenia into a stacked battle on his turf complete with getting help from his big brother, and still lost, Radahn is a Rommel a competent person elevated to godhood by propaganda,
"This man is skateboarding a horse while holding up the stars and killing everybody he comes into contact with, and he does it all *from the hospice."*
There's some speculations that Malenia went to fight Radahn to "unlock" the skies and, through it, allow an eclipse to happen - which would then allow Miquella to either revive or permanently kill Godwyn (some stuff in Castle Sol give credence to that). And that Radahn was holding back the stars to prevent more Astels from crashing into the Lands Between (one Astel is even named "stars of darkness", and some descriptions imply it _is_ a star, iirc), one of which was apparently routed to destroy Selia, a town he was very fond of. So both had very high stakes in that fight (which makes it much sadder to see both end up worse after it). I do agree with the comments who mention Malenia being closer to pride than wrath (though I believe she calls herself "the blade of Miquella" over and over to _remind herself_ of who she is, more than for being proud of it), but Radahn fits it all the more. Great video nonetheless. When I saw the title, I thought you were trying some kind of "seven deadly sins playthrough", as in, beat the bosses using skills/weapons that might represent each sin
You don't need stars to create an eclipse, only sun and moon Also in ranni's questline, it's made clear that the stars hold the fate of the carian royal, radahn's motivation or at least one of his motivations was to prevent the fate of his family and thus engaged the stars in battle and saved his family
@ashjose7973 There's two moons visible at the Cathedral of Manus Celes, and nowhere else. Ranni has a whole moon theme going around her, and maybe she needed the power from that second moon to kill the Fingers. Perhaps that second moon was also unavailable due to Radahn's tampering. He locked out the entire sky, not just the stars. Nothing in the sky changes position until you kill him. Remember that Ranni's fate is to replace Marika as the Outer Will's main representative, and she doesn't want to. She needs to unlock the skies to defy her fate, not to fulfill it. Killing the Two Fingers is akin to a puppet killing its puppeteer and still living afterwards. Her goal isn't exactly easy. There's a ghost in castle Sol lamenting that their predicted eclipse never happened, and it could've been precisely due to Radahn's actions. Sure, Ranni needed Radahn dead, but I'm proposing that she wasn't the only one who did, and that Malenia had decent reasons for it.
I'd argue that Godrick fits for Greed way more than for Sloth. He spends all his time gathering and amassing things to graft and increase his power. All so he could be equal to others of his kind. When he grafts the dragon all he cares about is approval of his line(Forefathers, one and all... bear witness!), especially from Godfrey(Great Godfrey, did'st thou witness?). On the other hand the one who is assosiated with Sloth in my mind is Morgott. Sloth isn't exactly laziness, it's a refusal to take action, resistance to changes, preventing others from doing something and keep things the way they are causing stagnation. And this is exactly what Morgott does, he hunts tarnished, fights the player three times, prevents them from reaching frenzied flame and mountaintops, all with one goal - to keep things the way they are. He failed and gave up, so in his mind there's no hope and no reason to try anymore. "Put these foolish ambitions to rest", "thy deeds shall be met with failure, just as I".
@@ГлебКаменский-я7й but by that definition every character who protects the erdtree is lazy because they are resistant to change. To your logic Gideon, radagon, the elden beast, and godfrey are all lazy because they protect the Elden ring and refuse to change their beliefs. I think the definition refers more to personal changes like loosing weight, and working out. Basically just a willingness to change yourself for the betterment of yourself and others. Godrick is the definition of sloth. Sure he changes his body to become stronger. But he does it by using the limbs of the tarnished that his men killed to graft onto himself. Most of his strength literally comes from other people.
I'm not sure Malenia set out *before* Miquella was kidnapped. By her dialogue -- "I dreamt for so long. Corpse after corpse left in my wake, as I awaited his return..." It sort of implies Miquella was kidnapped, *then* she, perhaps enraged and lost to a fugue state, set out to whom she believed may have kidnapped him. If she wasn't doing just that -- why wouldn't she take the great rune from the helpless Renala, or the pitiful Godrick? She went to Radahn with a specific purpose in mind, and that purpose can't have been great runes.
If it's true then Malenia almost actually retrieved Miquella because Mohguin palace is directly below Caelid. Which means that she somehow tracked down his general direction but might not have noticed/known that he was in the underground, potentially assuming that Radahn(the nearest visible demigod) might've had some involvement with his dissappearance.
As far as I know she went to kill Radahn at Miquella's request. Radahn is holding back Miquella's fate (as well as Ranni's) by holding back the stars. For Miquella to continue his new Erdtree he needed Radahn dead so his fate could happen. In game after we kill Radahn, Ranni can fulfill her fate and bring about the age of stars. Presumably Miquella was kidnapped either during her battle with Radahn, or sometime after when Finlay was taking her back to the Haligtree.
is he really any more prideful than the others? I feel like pride is a sin anyone who claims to be a demi god is drowning in, that said, the pride motif along with red hair ect is fun, and the pride required to conquer the stars is mighty. But i feel its less him being more prideful in comparison, its just he was the strongest in comparison and knew it. The biggest symbol of pride he shows is the subconscious usage of holding back the stars and protecting Leonard whilst he was going crazy from god cancer. The biggest external show is the pride everyone else has in him. All the demigods have the same pride ingrained in them, its just his power let him take it the furthest. The pride of a lion is more obvious than the pride of a fox.
If you re-contextualize the sins in relation to the Golden Order, it might go more like this: Pride - Malenia and Miquella building a new order in defiance of the established Lust - Morgott desperate to be embraced Greed - Mogh wanting to usurp the ascension of an empyrean, straight to the top, even by stealing it in the chaos of war Envy - Godrick desperately envious of anything perceived as more powerful, despite being a demigod Sloth - Rennala the original meaning of sloth was being insufficiently devoted to god, usually leveled against women Gluttony - Radahn any means to get what he wants, even using gravity magic just to keep his horse (gaunt and emaciated to call attention to the disparity), then obv the cannibalism Wrath - Rykard was the wrath of the Golden Order, then the avatar of wrath intended for the Golden Order. Archetypes are everywhere
I feel like grafting is more accurate to how grafting a tree branch is rather than a mere skin graft, it’s not just a patch of skin it’s a literal limb like a tree’s branch. Almost turning godrick (the recipient tree in this case) into a sort of ship of Theseus deal imho (honestly, could he even still be the same godrick physically? He’s more other body parts than even his own it seems at this point)
I thought Lust would be Mogh, since he did want to bone his brother Miquella. He's pretty obsessed with becoming the consort to an Empyrean to ensure the coming of his *desired* dynasty, so it'd make a lot of sense for him to represent that sin. Also a quick correction, Renala didn't gift the golden sword to Radagon, she gifted a Moon Greatsword that later Radagom himself reforged into the Golden Order Greatsword
@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 Which is precisely what lust is, empty desire due to superficial reasons. He didn't love Miquela, he lusted after Miquela's potential.
Also Mohgs whole Blood lord arc started from him being finaly loved by someone. The formless mother. He also offers Love to all acording ro Varre so theres more evidence. Also its not stated anywhere that Mohg boned Miquella. Its stated he Shared his Blood Bed chambers with him but that could mean he simply slept in the cocoon or that he boned him. We dong know. Tho granted the Branch does mention Miquella having a Constant aura that makes people love him so mayby mohgs under Miquellas spell.
Ephesians 6:10-18 says, Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints. The bible is no old book. You have to really let Christ open your eyes; to see the world in shambles. Many people say it's a religion to lock up people in chains, and say it's a rule book.. why? Because people hate hearing the truth, it hurts their flesh, it's hurts their pride, it's exposes on what things have they done..people love this world so much, s*x, money, power, women, supercars.. things of this world. Still trying to find something that can fill that emptiness in your heart. You can't find that in this world.. only in Christ, the bible is no chains, it's a chainbreaker. Breaking your sins into pieces... Repent now, and turn back to the true Lord only.. God bless.
There's a lot wrong in the video, especially when covering Godrick. Lust does fit Mohg perfectly as well, not Rennala. There's a lot of misinterpretations in the video as well for the sins.
@@metaforeva3744mohg doesn't list for his brother, he wants to use him to fulfill his own selfish desires of power. Rennala went in a state of grief obsessing over her husband radogon
@@DevilSpade true however Mohg serves Formless Mother because she *Loves* his cursed blood and Mohg Promises for everyone who follows him *Love* Also Mohg embraced or should i say *Loved* his omen blood. So Lust seems way more in line with him than Greed.
@@DevilSpade Exactly why lust fits Mogh perfectly. Lust as a sin has nothing to do with love. It is all about selfish desire. Mogh is lusting for power, he desperately wants to have a mighty kindom for himself. His desire for Miquela is not because of love, but because by becoming his brother's consort, he might reach his ultimate wish. And he would use his brother to get what he wants. Rennala, on the other hand, became totally apathetic after Radagon left her. She stopped living, instead spending the time after their seperation in a slumber. Sloth is much more than just being lazy. In this case Rennala represents sloth by being the headmaster unable to fight her dispirited mind. And instead withdrew herself in the school's library cradling her egg like a baby, while Raya Lucaria was crumbling around her.
I LOVE Mohg and Morgott so much, and i wish more people gave them the love they deserve. Morgott and Mohg, inherently, symbolise two different responses to abuse. Morgott is desperate to prove that he didnt deserve it while Mohg is desperate to userp his abusers. I honestly think Mohg and Morgott are the most depthful of the demigods
To add to this excellent point, it's obviously a lot easier to feel like Morgott was the good brother of the two, in that his designs didn't involve kidnapping, the ruination of a very promising new world and possibly incitement of a battle that nuked a country, but Morgott's coping mechanism is still equally destructive to Mohg's, just in subtler ways. His whole lordship of Leyndell is predicated on the lie that Morgott, the Veiled Monarch, and Margit, the Fell Omen, leader of the royal guard, are separate people, because if anyone ever lived to find out, he'd be ousted by the very people he wants to protect for nothing more than what ultimately amounts to a birth defect he has. Leyndell is built on an foundation of civility and order, but they're as bigoted as anyone else when the chips are down. Morgott is ultimately perpetuating a system that, were he not cunning enough to circumvent it with his dual identity, would still have him locked in a sewer like a rat for the rest of his life, his parentage be damned, his contributions to keeping the Golden Order alive forgotten in an instant, just for being 'born wrong'. And this is just talking about Morgott himself, not even touching on the dogma that he inherited keeping countless other Omens in their squalid exile. Yeah, Mohg is going about his own plan in the absolute worst, if the most strictly pragmatic, way he can, but it's still trying, in Mohg's own effed up way, to change things for something approximate to the better at its core, because the current system is inherently unjust in a way the Fell Twins know all too well. They are both hurt people who coped with their abuse in completely opposite ways, and while Morgott may seem more noble on the surface, his insistence upon keeping the status quo, even when it would condemn him and others like him to a hellish fate, is no less flawed than Mohg's overly radical desire to tear the whole system down.
Sorry to burst your head canon but Morgott isint desperate to prove others wrong about himself. Morgott despises himself and sees himself as Impure and follows to this day Golden Orders Teachings. Why do you think Omen are still locked away in the sewers? Why do you think the Omen Killers are on his pay roll? Morgott agrees with Golden Orders views on him and other cursed, however his stockholm syndrome is causing him to still think its rightful.
8:24 what she gave him was a moon greatsword, which is bestowed by a Carian queen upon her spouse to honor long-standing tradition(taken partly from the description of the dark moon greatsword). after going back to the golden order, radagon changed the sword to fit the golden order
You should make a video on characters who embody the seven heavenly virtues next. There are some who I believe just outright show these traits, like Godfrey showing humility when faced against other warriors, smaller and possibly weaker than him, but still showing them respect and fighting them with all he has.
Very interesting and well presented thanks :) I would personnaly have chosen Rennala as Sloth, staying in the library as she is and failing her people, Mohg as Lust (his burning desire for power and Miquella feels like it), Godrick as Greed who never satiate and always wants more Tarnished to graft, Malenia as Pride being the Blade of Miquella/the Millicent line and Radahn as Wrath! But it still feels adequate now Edit : After reading the reply to this message Radahn makes more sense as Pride and Malenia as Wrath indeed :)
I agree with most of this, but I don’t think Radahn suits wrath at all. He shows great restraint holding back the stars, I feel like to embody the actual *sin* of wrath he would need to sacrifice his restraint to throw the brunt of his power into destruction. Melania, meanwhile, abandons her vulnerable brother in the pursuit of war. She destroys her body, her own army, and an entire country in a moment of reckless combat.
before watching the video Godrick - greed "I will bathe in rays of gold" Renalla - sloth "she sits the entire fight untill she cant" Morgot - envy "he was born with a curse making him unable to be king until the kingdom is desperate" Radahn - wrath "the rot has made him attack anyone friend or foe" Rykard - gluttony "he eats people to gain their power" Mohg - lust "lets move on" Malenia - pride "she is Malenia blade of miquela"
@@jakesteinberg5902buzz off, radahns rot is literally malenia's and she gives in to her destructive, chaotic powers even under miquela because of her wrath and anger. How is using the power of others to get what you want not sloth? Godrick has ambitions yes but he doesn't work for any of them, he doesn't seek improvement he just wants his power in the way that takes the least effort. Renala obsession over her husband drove her into a deep depression, before that she pioneered a new way of magic and became the queen of her little Harry Potters school she has going. Mohg doesn't want to bone his brother that's a common lie told, he wants to use his brothers powers to fulfill his own vision of power even his whimpering when he dies sounds like a spoiled kid going "mine mine mine" when he doesn't get what he wants
@@DevilSpade "Mohg doesn't want to bone his brother that's a common lie told" I suggest you re-read the "Remembrance of Mohg" item description. It's commonly said, because it's common lore knowledge. That's not even a deep dive.
pride and wrath can be interchangable between malenia and radahn, 1-malenia nuked radahn because she wanted to keep her undefeated record and dit it as desparation and to protect her pride in her blade,2 radahn waited for malenia to put on her arm for a fair fight and he idolizes godfrey a guy whose whole thing is about strength and fair fight on the other had malenia has the scarlet rot something that literally decimates anything in its path, and her voice line "you will witness true horror, now rot" and mad radhan who eats friends and foes or fights them etc they both share the same amount of pride and wrath tho i'd argue malenia slightly more because she conciously does it and radahn is completely gone in the head and wrath isn't his natural personality
A lot of them can actually be argued to fit some or even all of the sins. Sloth is a big thing for all of them, most are just literally waiting for you to walk up and execute them after all and it seems they've been in that state of stasis for a long, long time. Morgott is the only one actively doing things and his whole goal is to keep the others from doing things. Pride is strong in Radahn, Malenia, and Godrick. Envy is strong in both Morgott and Godrick. Lust is an obvious motivator for Mohg. Wrath is seen in Radahn, Rykard, Ranni. Gluttony for Rykard, but also in Godrick. Greed is seen in Mohg, Rykard, Godrick, and Motgott to various extents.
Rennala seems like a good candidate for Sloth as well, never leaving her Tower after Radagon left her for Marika. (Themselves) She’s so used to this state of waiting for her partner to come back that even when we fight her, she can’t stand up to fight us just like her children. I agree that Malenia is a great candidate for Pride as well, and I think that you could make a case for Radahn being Wrath, Godrick being Lust/Greed, this theory has a lot of potential and I’m curious to see what puzzle pieces can fit where
Yeah she doesn't leave cause she's in a great depression cause her husband left her. How is pioneering a new form of magic and being a leader of student's sloth?
I think the fact that the comments are all debating which boss fits with which sin kinda proves the theory is false. These characters were clearly written without any intention to represent the seven deadly sins, it's a very tired trope after all, seeing as they are simply negative character traits that literally anyone could exhibit at any time, and these characters are shown to be a bit more complex than one-word descriptors. Take Godrick as an example, he's interesting because he's the runt of the demi-gods, a feeble old man grasping at power, having to hide himself among women to flee from the capital during the war, while also being easily bested in battle by Malenia, forced to grovel for his life. He looks to his past, to the strength of Godfrey, his ancestor, and attempts to make himself worthy by grafting the bodies of strong warriors onto his own, in a perverse replication of Godfrey taking Serosh upon his back. He fails to see the irony in the fact that Serosh's purpose was to suppress Godfrey's might, not enhance it. Godrick even seemingly curses Stormveil, once the castle of Godfrey, through his constant grafting. Even with all his extra limbs, his huge ornate golden axe, a fucking dragon head for a hand, he's still a pathetic old man, because his power wasn't earned, and it wasn't his. No matter how much he took, he'd never be anywhere near the level of the First Elden Lord that he worshipped so much. I think that's much more interesting than saying he represents sloth, or pride, or envy, or gluttony, because you could easily say he fits all of these, because he's layered and not written by a 14 year old that thinks the seven deadly sins trope is deep lmao
Right. There's also the fact that Rennala shouldn't be here since she's not a demigod, and Miquella, Ranni, and Godwyn are important demigods but they cannot make it to the list since it should feature only 7 characters.
The theory of characters representing the deadly sins is older than someone would imagine. I've seen it in a lot of media far more than in videogames themselves. (SpongeBob, Simpsons...) The same kind of theory as everything is a dream or imagination for every midly fantastic story. When you have such big variety of characters like those, each other having diferent personalities and each flaw for each personality, is easier to correlate some of this traits with something we know, or start to see things where they aren't.
I don’t care I’m taking the pill. There are 7 remembrance bosses who have great runes. 7 is a very specific number. Radahn has lions on his armor and lions are a symbol of pride. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that mohg wields a spear made of gold and sliver and wears a royal robe. That also corresponds to his character of desiring power. He starts his own cult purely because he wants power over people. I also don’t think that rykard being a snake that eats to gain power and that his mistress (who i can’t remember the name of) eats him when he dies. She also says that she will eat his *whole* body even though that is way too much food for one person. Melania also nuked caled to try and kill radahn while he was clearly holding back. You have to be very angry to turn a whole region into Nagasaki during the end of WW2 Godfrey is one of the most pathetic characters in elden ring. He has the blood of a God but never chooses to get stronger. He uses the strength of others that he attaches to himself. He chooses not to hone his own strength because it is easier to graft limbs onto his own. Before the shattering renalla was considered an equal to radagon who is a god. But after he left she goes completely insane because of how grief stricken she is. She has so much lust for radagon that she can’t function without him almost like a drug addict. Morgott feels envious of the life that he could’ve lived if he wasn’t born as an omen. He could have been but he was forced to life in the sewers. That is what drives him to guard the erdtree, the same people who rejected him long ago because he wants to live the life of royalty. This is clearly not an accident either. The devs have even put some not so subtle irony into the designs of morgott and mohg. Mohg wears royal cloths but rules over nothing while morgott is wearing rags but has the highest honor in the world. It just feels so blatantly obvious once you realize it.
I’ve thought of this before, this is what I came up with (haven’t watched the video yet) Godrick: Greed. Always wanted more power, stole limbs from corpses to steal their power Rennala: Sloth. Kinda just lays around all day, probably can’t even walk, she barely even fights back when we fight the real her (yeah I know she’s fucked up mentally but still, lazybones) Radahn: Wrath. Is basically just a wild animal now due to rot. A little shaky on this one because pre-rot he does not seem wrathful Rykard: Gluttony. The entire plan of Volcano Manor is to find the powerful Tarnished and feed them to Rykard. Also, the spirit guy who tells you about the spear calls him gluttonous Morgott: Envy. Morgott hates his cursed blood and the fact he is an omen. He is born without grace, yet still defends the Erdtree that denied him grace. And when we fight him, he keeps talking about how we’re a graceless Tarnished. Clearly projecting, sounds pretty jealous that some random dude got grace, while he, the King of Leyndell, didn’t. Mohg: Lust. The Maid of Miquella. Malenia: Pride. The Blade of Miquella. The one who has never known defeat. Seems to be something she likes to say. Whenever she seems to be losing a battle, such as against Radahn or you, she pulls out the Aeonia card and absolutely fucking nukes the place to save face.
I do think the theory of the shardbearers being based on the seven deadly sins seems pretty on point and very symbolic in a way that seems to really fit Miyazaki’s storytelling but I feel like there are three here that need to be swapped and those three are Godrick, Rennala, and Mohg. Mohg seems like the pretty obvious one to me that’s out of place. There are so many items like Rivers of Blood connected to the Lord of Blood that reference the word “bloodlust.” In fact, that’s kind of the entire purpose of Mohg’s character. He has a deep DESIRE to bring about his “dynasty” revolving around an outer god who craves wounds. In fact, Mohg’s entire driving purpose is an embodiment of bloodlust. Plus, red being a clear indicator of “passion” feels very symbolic. Next, as someone else mentioned, Rennala is kind of an embodiment of Sloth herself. Once Radagon leaves, she is so wracked with grief that she can barely function anymore and obsesses about what once was in place of what could be. This is a very clear embodiment of laziness. The very fact that Rennala does not actively fight us is clearly representative of this. She doesn’t even actually fight us in her second phase, this is an illusion/spirit conjured by her daughter, Rani, to defend her mother’s former glory and show that she didn’t always used to just be a pushover. However, she still is even in the end, sat in the same position she began in. Godrick, next, is definitely the one that requires a bit more thought but obviously, this leaves Godrick as Greed and I do really think this checks out. Godrick wants more limbs and more strength and continues to grasp and grasp and grasp (quite literally with his several hands which also serve as a great greed metaphor which we all know Miyazaki loves). Even with all the power he accumulates however, it both never is and never feels like enough for Godrick. Additionally, we have another good color metaphor like Mohg’s red, GOLD. Godrick is not referred to by anyone as Godrick the Golden though this is how he wishes to be perceived. He is obsessed with raising his power and status to position where he might be “bathed in rays of gold.” And something tells me that even with this achievement, Godrick would still not be satisfied, he wishes to be lord of “all that is golden” but it is something eternally out of his grasp because his greed is what keeps him from obtaining true strength. Other than those three, I definitely do think the others are pretty spot on but those three are the ones that I do have to strongly disagree with.
8:25 Rennala didn't give Radagon the golden order sword, she gave him the moonlight sword given to the consorts of Carian Royalty. Radagon forged it into the golden order sword
12:06 Not correcting anything, just wanted to clarify for those who are unclear. As Morgott lays there dieing, he is refering to how his blood is now literally on the royal thrones. His entire life he was made to believe himself unworthy of a throne, so much so that he is ashamed to see his cursed omen blood has spilled onto them. I believe that this is what's meant when he uses the term "stained by my curse".
I agree with almost every one of these except Wrath. I have never thought of Malenia as wrathful. However, the one that I always saw as the epitome of Wrath was Godfrey. I mean, just look at his boss fight! How can anyone else be Wrath with Hoarah Loux, Warrior stomping about?!
I like your interpretation in the video, this is mine: Greed = Godrick: "im the Lord of all that is Golden!" he literally grafts his power; the name God-Rick also means God (divine) and the name Rick literally means: "rich and powerful". Gluttony = Rikard: "Toghetha...We will devour... The very Gods!" Sloth = Rennala: she is sloth because she literally won't even fight, she is passive waiting for the return of Radagon and even from a game design point of view, you can literally go to her to respec your points if you are too lazy to create a new character. Lust = Mohg: "I wish to anoint you a proper inductee. A knight to serve Luminary Mohg, the Lord of Blood, and establish a new dynasty. Luminary Mohg has strength, vision, and of course, LOVE. So, what do you say, my lambkin?". (-Varré) Mohg is clear lust, his forbidden and perverse desire for Miquella, his "love" that Varré is talking about, that is reflected by his followers and their pleasure in the "taste for noble blood". Envy = Morgott: you already nailed it in the video, he is envious of his father and the tarnished who is going to become Elden Lord. Pride = Malenia: she has a huge ego and sense of self, she can't accept a lose, she is too prideful... But i understand your perspective in the video. Wrath = Radahn: While even Radahn is prideful, he still rappresents Wrath best, since he goes "out of his mind" he becomes "like a dog that eats his own companions", the Wrath is literally the sin of going out of control because full of anger; i think that the metaphor behind keeping the stars still is about keeping the anger within, the withold, contain and suppress of his own devastating power. Radahn is the Wrath that destroys his own companions and friends.
It isn't implied that radagon and Marika are the same person...it is flat out stated as fact. Do the golden order quest and you find out and tell gold mask.
16:56 Finlay’s travel was probably not a straight line back. It says that he fought and traveled all the way back to the haligtree. So he most likely fought his way out of cealid went through limgrave past godrick’s castle. With soldiers who were probably itching to kill some cleanrot knights after their lords humiliation. Across liurnia which probably a good rest from violence. Through Altus, through Lyndel, through consecrated snowfield and all the way down to the bass of the haligtree. So yeah, he’s a giga chad.
Malenia could be pride to, she literaly nuked the lands betwen with scarlet rot, just not to lose to Radhan, "I have never known defeat" she says that with pride
Great video! I have to strongly disagree. I think Malenia is Pride and Radahn is Wrath. You can argue that Radahn is only wrath-like after his fight with Malenia but whatever. Malenia cannot help but constantly remind everyone that she's "undefeated". She's so proud of this that she sacrificed the entire of Caelid so she could argue that Radahn couldn't win and she's still "never known defeat". If that isn't the most blatant act of pride in Elden Ring, I'll give a horned omen a big 'ol hug.
12:46 No, he didn't. The only rights to the throne ever stated, is Strength, and you, the player, defeat all in your path, showing your strength surpasses all.
Great video, but at 8:25 you said Rennala gifted the Golden Order Greatsword to Radagon, but that isn't entirely true. She gave him a Dark Moon Greatsword like the one Ranni gives the player at the end of her questline, and then, after leaving her, Radagon made it into the Golden Order Greatsword, which is a massive betrayal against her.
There are plenty of indications that Miquella was actually kidnapped prior to Malenia's crusade... In fact, as the location of Malenia and Radahn's great duel happened straight above where Mohg was keeping Miquella, and the Heart of Aeonia itself appears to be a gigantic Sacramental Bud (plants strongly implied to have been watered with Miquella's blood) it can be inferred that Malenia might've tracked Miquella to Caelid and arrived at the conclusion that it was Radahn who had kidnapped her brother... It's also strongly implied that the Scarlet Rot corrodes an individual's mind if they do not have a strong sense of self to anchor themselves to, and Malenia has shaped her identity around being "the undefeated swordswoman" to such an extent that moments like Radahn being able to stalemate her, and the Tarnished being able to best her, shakes her so badly that the Scarlet Rot can break out again... Though wrath might've motivated her crusade, it's not what triggers her to bloom. Also: If you're gonna go all "if Radahn hadn't been holding back the stars, then he might've crushed Malenia" on us, then you kinda also need to go "if Malenia was not holding back the power of a Fallout God so that it wouldn't erupt out of her body then she might've crushed Radahn" as well. Credit goes in both directions here.
Radahn simps are insane. Always creating headcanons that's not supported by the game. There's zero indication that Radahn holding back the stars nerfs him.
@@CalmingVisionary There's that, too, yes. And most people seem to just kinda go along with that argument, as if throwing Radahn a bone or something... By contrast, I don't see that many people (not even among the Malenia simps tbh) bring up the fact that the Scarlet Rot had claimed Malenia's dominant arm, both of her legs, and both of her eyes by the time she was finally weak enough for Radahn to be able to stalemate her... On one hand, we probably have to assume that being an Empyrean gave Malenia a hefty power boost, but on the other hand we've still got the fact that being the Empyrean of the Scarlet Rot was crippling and, by extension, presumably also weakening her...
@GrahamChapman I don't think being an Empyrean boosted her power. The game makes it clear that the Rot nerfed her potential. Her great rune should've been the "most sacred of all", but it's half-rotted and thus useless. Every mention of her rot frames it as a disability that she overcomes. She's strong in spite of it (her blade description: "Though she never knew relief from the accursed rot she was born into, her blade was forever beautiful and relentless"). Multiple item descriptions and her great rune emphasizes that she would've been stronger if she was not born with the rot. As for Radahn, nothing in the game says he was nerfed in any way. For example, the game makes it clear Malenia would've been stronger if she was not cursed, and Godfrey was being nerfed because Serosh was holding him back. But nowhere does it say that Radahn is nerfed by holding the stars, it's only a headcanon invented by his fans. Radahn was healthy when he fought Malenia and still couldn't kill her. One move from her Rot attack immediately put him out of the game lol. And the only reason he hasn't died to the rot is because of his great rune which is burning to resist it. Nothing about Radahn was nerfed, it's just his fans creating headcanons and being in denial.
@@CalmingVisionary I think being an Empyrean did boost her power, same as I think being related by blood to a God boosted the power of all of the Demigods. But, as you say, Malenia still wasn't as powerful as she could've been/would've been had the Scarlet Rot not been crippling her... It's a fair observation you make about Radahn, though: He's one of the few characters who didn't hold himself back or was held back in some capacity. Well, I mean, the Rot has gotten to him by the time we fight him, sure, but still: When he went up against Malenia, he was Prime!Radahn... Kinda makes you wonder what Prime!Malenia would've been like if she hadn't been an Empyrean, or at least not the Empyrean of an entity that weakened her so... Intact eyes, dominant arm still going strong, both legs healthy and spry, mind and body never weakened but only strengthened by her divine attributes and powers... Though, then again, if that had been her life then I suppose she wouldn't have had quite the same impetus to overcome her weaknesses and grow stronger, either... Kudos to Miyazaki who's out there giving us badass representations for handicapped people. Especially considering how badly stigmatized handicapped people normally are in Japanese society.
I love these sort of videos, taking common ideas and concepts and applying them to stories or characters in my favorite games, and you certainly do it justice! another excellent video, sir Dumpy!
If you want an explanation for how radagon and marika can have children, or radagon can marry rennala while marika is doing her own thing, it can be inferred that they were originally different people. Marika and Radagon's people, empyreans, can become two people with different personalities, just sharing the same body.
8:23 I think you get it wrong here. Similar to Ranni who gifted us Darkmoon Greatsword as the wedding gift under her guidance moon - The Dark moon, Renala must have given Radagon the sword of her own moon - Fullmoon Greatsword or we can call it the orginal Moonlight Greatsword. However, in Radagon hand it turned into the Golden Order Greatsword, likely to be influenced by his divinity status or relationship with Merika/Erdtree.
Malenia and Radahn have pretty much interchangable sins, he is almost as angry as he's prideful, while she enjoys too much being the undefeated armed hand of the best empyrean
Great video. I was taken by surprise on a few. Radahn was so prideful of being a Demigod that he admired Godfrey, who wasn’t even his father. While he was living as grandiose as possible, his siblings were plotting. He even held the stars in place, thwarting Ranni’s plan. It’s like he shunned his family to become as great as Godfrey once was. Then came Malenia, to which I assume was pressed for time as the rot was eating her alive, looking to defeat the strongest to reassure the future unbeknownst to Mohg’s scheme. The perfect recipe for wrath. A blind rage.
I just wanted to mention that malenia and miquella are cursed by outter gods not because Marika and raddagon are the same person, oh and after miquella gets kidnapped after malenias fight with radahn. She was there just slumbering as she was when we walk up on her
Of all the tragic characters in Elden Ring, Morgott is one of the few I genuinely feel sorry for Shunned from birth for the "sin" of being born an Omen, he never wavered in his loyalty to the Erdtree and it's Golden Order. The same Order that shunned him, the order he had every right to hate. When the Elden Ring was shattered, he didn't just nab "a" shard, he nabbed the *anchoring ring*, the part that above all other shards was needed to restore the Elden Ring. And yet, despite his unwavering loyalty, despite his golden lineage, despite having the most important piece to repair the ring..... the Erdtree still spurned him. Denied him access the same it did us. Morgott had every reason to despise the Golden Order, yet he above all others was it's most staunch defender. A true tragedy.
I think I could easily see it as Godrick, Envy - Bro literally wants to be Godfrey so bad, he keeps yapping on about his ancestry, and you could argue that is pride, but it seems to be eating away at him that he can never live up to what came before him. Rennala, Sloth - She is just very dreamy and inert, all she wants to do is wait for her amber to hatch, which is something that will probably never happen. Rykard, Gluttony - I think it's impossible to disagree with this one so lets skip it. Morgott, Pride - Despite the Golden Order being shattered and all the other shard bearers fighting for power, Morgott is trying to uphold order and keep the balance created by Radagon, he also explicitly refers to everyone else as "willful traitors". He isn't proud of himself, he has no vanity, but he is very proud of The Golden Order. Radahn, Lust - Lust is not just about sexual urges and gratification, but about indulgence as a whole, and what is the main thing related to Radahn? A festival of violence. Pure, unfiltered indulgence in war for the sake of it. I can see how it could be viewed as Wrath, but I think this passion for war comes from a place of admiration for the sport of it. He is animalistic, acting on instinct, he does what he pleases because he is eternally self-indulgent, he would rather master gravity magic than admit he needed a different horse. Mohg, Greed - Mohg is trying to grow a dynasty, he even kidnaps Miquella, the only figure capable of potentially making a rival to the Erdtree's power. Greed, in this example, is not about monetary wealth, but about power overall, whether it be followers, territory, whatever. Mohg wants to expand his kingdom. Malenia, Wrath - Malenia's title literally refers to herself as a weapon, being the Blade of Miquella. She is undefeated in combat, and pretty much destroyed Caelid during her war with Radahn. She remains idle unless directed at something, but gives it her all when she has to.
12:25 Reminded me of an old meme 'How to make what you say sound cooler, elden ring edition' 'That's not going to work, I tried that earlier' ❌️ 'Thy deeds shall be met with failure, as am I'✅️
I feel like godrick and radagon are interchangeable. They are both very lazy and eager to consume anything they can get their grubby little hands on. Radon also wasn't overly prideful, because he remembered who he came from. If anything, Melania is pride and Radon is wrath because of the blind rage he fell into for an unknown but presumably long ammonut of time under the influence of the scarlet rot.
The ones I definitely agree with here are Morgott being Envy and Rykard being Gluttony. "Pride is the father of all sins" - me. The others, however... Let's start with Godrick. His best personification is most likely Greed, with some hints of Envy and Pride with him. He was born with no power of his own, other than his status, and he used it to steal others power, greeding for it and becoming more powerful this way. He's also envious of other demigods, since he wants to be as powerful or more than them. But, he's also prideful, since he commands you to kneel and then proclaims himself "A lord of all that is golden", and when he grafts his dragon all, he tells his forefathers to bear witness to him, basically being like "aren't you proud of me?" Anyways, pride in the demigods is a recurring theme. Rennala is the personification of sloth. Yes, she's depressed, but she does nothing but float and cuddle her egg all the time. She used to be proud in the past, but after Radagon left her, she's only sloth. Mohg is 100% lust. I mean, he wants to create a dynasty with his... Half-brother who... Looks like a child. But besides his weird life choices, I think he also shares a bit if envy with his brother and he's also immensely proud, wanting to create a dynasty centered by himself. Anyways, lust he is. Lastly, Malenia and Radahn. I would say both of them are 2 sides of the same coin. Still, I do think that the way the video cathegorized either of them is more or less correct. You see, wrath is not about being angry or powerful in war, it's more to do with being impulsive, and Malenia is the most impulsive character in the game. Also, I think that her releasing Scarlet Rot on Caelid... It had implications of pride, of her not wanting to lose, but the game tells you that she let go of her pride when she used it, as she never wanted to use it. She was just too impulsive to NOT do it. Also, concerning Radahn, if he was wrathful, he wouldn't wait for Malenia to put on her prosthesis when SHE ATTACKED his land, he'd much more likely be willing to cut her down before she was ready, so I'd say he was rather proud and patient. So yeah, my final list would be: Godrick: greed Rennala: sloth Radahn: pride Morgott: envy Rykard: gluttony Mohg: lust Malenia: wrath Anyways, I'd love to see you try to do the same video, but this time on the 7 heavenly virtues. I'd love to see how that would look like.
I don't think Marika and Radagon are the same person since the very beginning. I personally think that Radagon and Marika _fused_ after the shattering, or at least sometime around that, and that's why they could have children
Eh, duality seems to be a theme with many gods in Elden Ring. Dragonlord Placidusax's two remaining heads are in the internal files referred to as male and female respectively; Miquella and St. Trina were very likely one and the same individual; Morgott's projections go by "Margit"; Ranni goes by "Renna" when you first meet her. I see no reason to believe that Marika and Radagon haven't always been one and the same, but that they can split apart if they need to, and that they are separate enough to have conflicting opinions and perspectives on the world and their role in it. E.g., while Radagon is the loyal hound of the Golden Order, Marika is dissatisfied with it and wish to see it overthrown.
I'd call Godrick Greed seeing as he endlessly takes what isn't his, down to the castle; Rennala is Sloth, as Ranni had to step in to give her a second phase; Mohg is Lust for obvious reasons. The others are pretty spot on. Morgott slowly became my favorite character from his tragedy of just wanting to be loved. It obviously shows through his twin brother as well.
@@florianchabaud8548 and how does this cancel what I said? After Godrick lost to Malenia at the beginning of the shattering, he hid in his castle, which then tried to storm Radan, after which he returned to Caelid and only then, at the very end of the war, fought with Malenia
I can partially agree with 22:00. Even though it's the same person, I feel Phase Two is a better fit for Wrath personified while Phase One can be a simplified version of Pride.
I don't think Morgott envies his father, he envies us, because just like the Omen, the Tarnished were cast aside, but now it's being said that the next Elden Lord will be tarnished, not omen, both were cast out and despised, yet despite all his effort, all his sacrifice, it's us whom are destined to claim the throne
0:58 just based off of who’s on screen Malenia: Sloth (went to sleep💀 and let her brother get kidnapped, refuses to raise her 5 children has no notable magic skills, and realize mostly on the sword despite being the strongest boss, and quite possibly the second strongest demigod, she is overly reliant on her scarlet rot and developed no unique skills outside of swordplay. She is lazy as all hell.) Morggot: pride (Serves the golden order, even after the shattering, calls the tarnished foul and has an obscene sense of pride to the point of even going against the greater will even though he’s for the greater will he can’t understand how a tarnisher can become a Lord what’s even crazier that he knows he’ll never be accepted and he still does all this shit) Mohg: Lust (his actions against Miquella can’t be described as anything else bro clap cheeks nonstop) Rykard: Greed (wants devour the gods in old lore before patch, had concubines literally is a serpent that wants to devour) Godrick: Evny (Grafts the bodies of those he considers to be quality fighters it does not get more envious and taking somebody else’s talent literally) Rennala: Gluttony “didn’t really do anything, but she had to of known that she could not have it all you cannot Ria Lucaria be the queen of the full moon and have three demigod children and no all the magic spells I think her desire for knowledge. And control not really power but control is kind of wood leads her to her sad state that she’s in now. She better off the way more than she could chew.” Radahn: Wrath didn’t really commit any sense. It’s just his Bossfight is really aggressive. That’s the most I have to say about him he doesn’t do much of anything out of anger he’s a Chad The only problem is millennia cheated.
Really interesting video. One note, which is just more of a personal interpretation than anything else, but I’m of the belief that Malenia had little to no control over her blooming, in both her fights with Radahn and the Tarnished. I believe it’s the scarlet rot in her system activating a last resort.
Yeah, it activates automatically when she's close to death I think. She is the vessel of an Outer God, I doubt that God would just LET her die like that. It makes sense that the Rot is trying to keep thriving through Malenia, forcefully.
@@shreksmeatballs9435 More-so that it activates when she cannot win. It's strongly implied that Scarlet Rot corrodes an individual's mind if they do not have a strong sense of self to anchor themselves to, and Malenia has shaped her identity around being "the undefeated swordswoman" to such an extent that moments like Radahn being able to stalemate her, and the Tarnished being able to best her, shakes her so badly that the Scarlet Rot can break out... This would also explain why she keeps repeating "I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella": She's trying to reaffirm her sense of identity.
@@LegendaryBrah She didn't kill herself on top of Radahn, though. She braced the tang of her sword against her shoulder to give herself enough power to push the blade into Radahn's body and hold him in place like that. And that's what their stalemate was: Radahn being unable to move because he was nailed in place by Malenia's sword, and Malenia being unable to move because then Radahn would be able to start moving again, too... And, all things considered, it's more likely that the Rot broke loose because Radahn was able to shake Malenia's sense of identity as "the undefeated swordswoman."
@@GrahamChapman trailer shows that she does in fact stabs herself before the scarlet flower blooms When you fight her, the scarlet flower blooms only after dying and being revived. It’s safe to assume that she killed herself on top of Radahn in a desperate attempt to end the fight.
Years ago, during a particular philosophy seminar which course name I can't quite remember, we were taught about some thematic connections being made across western (fictional) literature. Primarily, the focus was on vices and virtues, and how many stories, including shakespearean ones, have characters exemplify or be the engenderment of a certain vice or virtue. We were then given the task of finding such similar thematic connections within any piece of modern literature. (I chose The Hunchback of the Notre Dame by Victor Hugo) I could actually find a lot of good examples. What's both the tricky and fun bit is that in a way, you can apply many different vices and virtues to many different characters and come up with a reasonable explanation in a lot of cases for why this or that character exemplified the given vice or virtue. For instance; the hunchback represents loyalty and love, Frollo represents lust and wrath, the poet represents sloth and cowardice, Captain Phoebus represents pride, Frollo's little brother represents greed, Esmeralda represents innocence and beauty, Her mom represents faith and undying motherly love, Phoebus' wife-to-be represents envy, etc.... However, looking at things from a different perspective, you can also come to opposite conclusions. Phoebus is a coward in the end. Esmeralda's naïvité in the face of overwhelming evidence that she is being used by everybody around her leads her to her own death despite having a get out of jail free card at one point. The hunchback's unending loyalty to frollo and love for esmeralda leads to his own death, Esmeralda's mother, whose infinite devotion, faith and love for her child, leads her to leading a miserable life of an insane hermit, so she might as well represent madness, Frollo did not start out as a lustful, angry man, he was actually quite the devoted, virtuous and saintly man, but was plagued by shifting obsessions all his life, Esmeralda being his final one. The poet (whose name escapes me), on the other hand, while being cowardly and slothful, is also the most likeable fellow in the story, not really having a bad bone in his body and ultimately just wanting to do what's right, ending up making the absolutely most selfish and wrong choice at the end that dooms Esmeralda, but we can feel for this choice, given the bad lot he was given in the story and how he ultimately had almost no choice throughout it. This type of thing is a fun excercise and most importantly underlines a VITAL aspect of all storytelling: that of the flaws and virtues of mankind. It also shows how these things are connected with one another through the thread of a narrative or connected plotpoints, binding these characters together. It's also a fundamentally important thing to have in any story that is planned out to be a dramatic tragedy. (Something that unfortunately is missing from today's mass consumption hollywoodification of media. Good writers know when to have a bad ending, and unfortunately, the growing americanization of global culture means audiences are increasingly becoming less tolerant for it, preferring generic "the hero wins the girl in the end" stories instead. There is a reason Marvel is so huge, and there is a reason Marvel is so generic.) In any case: a lot of GREAT stories have these underlying themes. The themes of the "seven deadly sins" are essentially very similar, boiled down to 7 traditionally christian thematic points. What's not so important is whether or not Fromsoft used the seven deadly sins as a direct reference or inspiration for their material in elden ring, but more so, it's important that fromsoft (miyazaki more specifically) understands what tragedy means, and how flaws in people and our empathy for their situation can improve upon a story. (Godrick the grafted might be a despicable person, but we might fully understand his evil when looking at it from his perspective and his past. He grew up in the shadow of infinite expactations, the mockery of his fellow people and within a violent, war-driven culture that at one point EXPECTED the lords to kill each other to claim the throne. That would make any person develop incredible insecurities, and for Godrick it's magnified just by the excessiveness of his situation. Godrick is fundamentally a tragic character, even if he still needs to go down.)
Interesting viewpoint on elden ring lore to match with the bosses. However if I may I'd like to share my view point on the subject as I have an interesting theory 😊... Godrick the grafted - Greed (cuts limbs off and always obsessed with becoming powerful) Morgot - Envy (hates radagon and melania and dreams big) Melania - Sloth (sleeps beneath the erdtree, then wakes up to battle radahn) Radagon - Wrath (shows no mercy with his sword and shows his true power) Rikard - Gluttony (devours his foes and becomes a huge snake eating things he shouldn't) Ranala - Lust (wishes to have what she has lost but struggles to cope as she wants a child) Radahn - Pride (so proud of his land and his leadership).
8:42 not implied, a secret literally states "Radagon is Marika". Word for word, that is what it says, and the secret is important enough to take is simple fact.
I think an elden ring prequel mod or dlc would be cool, see what Caelid was like before the rot, maybe get to pick sides for the shattering, make alliances and stuff, idk I just think it would be cool
There's a piece of dialogue from melina that kinda hints at the fact that marika and radagon were once seperate beings and in order to be joined as one he'd have to become elden lord I'm not sure when or at what points but I believe radagon WAS his own being until he left rennala then something happened and they became one No definitive proof outside of that dialogue melina gives you in marikas bedchambers and idek how i got it but yk nice lore theory crafting
I've been trying to match each demigod to a "sin" in my first playthrough and for sure agree with this assessment. I think it's cool how in modern media / art the "sins" are not inherently bad things to be condemned; though they will be inevitably by many. In Malenia's case, her pride has kept her from deteriorating, for example. Radahn became wrathful after losing his mind, it's all he had. These gods are without purpose because everything is predetermined in the world except death, so they break out the old sinful behaviour to bring life to their meaningless existence in the Lands Between.
One more thing on the sloth of Godrick, if you consider all of the seven four of them are incapacitated in one way or another, leaving three. The omen brothers are working to there own goals, making an empire or serving the remnants of the golden order. But that leaves Godrick, who is the only shardbearer that could act, but never dose.
I would like to foramlly apologize to Mohg. He was being Miquellested and did not deserve the hate that I have thrown at him. I regret my words and I hope he can forgive me :(
REALLLLLLLLLLLL
The moghlester was actually miquellested :(
Not to fret my good man- we were all played.
All but Miquella and Malenia.
@NotactualyWeezer so true actually weezer
I checked when this was made and oh boy. But you made a post sooo. Ya good on ya. Have a good day.
It can be argued that Malenia is pride, or at least was pride. Milicent did mention how she tossed away her pride when she unleashed the scarlet rot. Also, she seems to take great pride in being "Malenia, Blade of Miquella" and not "Malenia, Goddess of Rot." Why else would she feel the need to tell you each time she kills you over and over and over and over and over again?
this was definitely my prediction upon starting the video
Canonically speaking, the tarnished never dies while we play as it and it's out first time encounter one another so it's just formality to inform one on who they are
No she's definitely delusional or her memory is slowly getting erased by the scarlet rot so she keeps repeating her name as to not forget it.
I do agree that Malenia should be pride. She's not showing any sort of anger, her combat moves are precise and she'd rather release the Scarlet Rot cursing the entirety of Caelid then risk loosing the Battle against Radahn, risk loosing her "never known defeat" status. Also a lot of the time Pride is usually depicted as the most powerful of sins like in FullMetal Alchemist. Dragon Age series also depicts Pride demons as the strongest of the sin related bunch, and Malenia Is a superendgame boss.
On the other hand it's not that easy to relate Wrath to Radahn as we don't know much about how he used to be. He is a pretty angry big boss now though.
In my opinion, Malenia bloomed the first time due to pride. She was Malenia, an undefeated swordsman.
Her whole life she struggles against her curse and this is the one purpose she has. Every bit of self worth she has is pinned on her ability with the sword. Her reputation, ability to protect her brother, to lead an army.
I believe she bloomed to keep her pride, and I love the irony that the very thing she trained to keep her rot in check leads to its release.
Love the video, and this fits really well. I always envisioned it as:
Rykard: Gluttony
Godrick: Greed
Rennala: Sloth
Mohg: Lust
Morgott: Envy
Malenia: Pride
Rhadan: Wrath
This is the correct assignment of the sins, the video got it completely wrong imo
Honestly my thoughts exactly. These all fit way better than what’s said in the video.
Yeah! A way better break down of sin to shard bearer.
@@ronaldobaci3188I was honestly thinking this the moment he covered Godrick. He isn’t lazy, he desperately and obsessively tries to be strong and prove himself capable as a demigod, which is the opposite of sloth. He didn’t even get the lore right, Godrick was hounded from Leyndell, forcefully kicked out, he never wanted to leave. Got his character terribly wrong
That's exactly what I was thinking too
"No one is trying to bone you mid-fight, i mean melania gets naked but thats not an invitation". One of the best lines i have heard. 7:12
I mean, Rennala keeps saying "come" in her second phase
@@duck7025she’s saying it to everyone but you
@@SorowFameOw 😭
It isn't an invitation to the cowardly, the rotussy calls only to the brave, and I have never known fear.
@@JudgeNicodemusMake sure to keep flame cleanse me at the ready
The game flat out tells you "radagon is marika" if you use the incantation law of regression in front of the statue with the message *regression reveals all" in pre ashen leyndell
Not to mention you see the transformation in the fight cutscene
everyone knows that radagon is marika, the big question is, was radagon always marika? or were they fused later on? personally i belive that they were always the same person but this is just me
@@jade-chan9122Never understood that doubt tbh, if Radagon was another person before joining Marika, how the hell are Rykard, Radahn and Ranni (an empyrean candidate no less) demigods?
@@MennydorgesERArchive maybe due to their immense power?
unsure too, but yes i also do belive that he was the same person as marika, it would make more sense like you said
@@MennydorgesERArchive The were risen to the status of Demigods through Marika becoming their step-mother basically.
MOHG BEAT THE ALLEGATIONS
From mohglester to mohglested😔😔
Did he beat the other crimes allegations he committed?
I think so
That doesn't mean he's innocent
I think I would actually switch Renala and Godrick. After separating from Radagon she cannot bring herself to do a thing. Godrick lusts after the powers the other shard bearers possess and actively orders his servants to bring things to him to graft, the dragon being a recent acquisition. Rather than sit around and do nothing as Renala does he is actively but very slowly gathering power to himself. But thats just my two cents. The rest seem rather spot on.
I’d further switch godrick with mohg, making godrick greed and mohg lust. For one “greedy godrick” is too funny to ignore. And mohg should be lust for… pretty obvious egg-shaped reasons
@@mysteriousstranger5873 I can see the argumentation for it. On further inspection I'd also change Malenia and Radahn as Pride fits Malenia a bit better "I have never known defeat" even though she factually had to retreat from Radahn making it a defacto loss. And of course Radahn being pure wrath at this point attacking unblinkingly and consuming enemies and allies alike.
@alucardwesker6807 You are right. Remember, this is a japanese game made by japanese developers. In japanese pop culture the sin of wrath is understood as less about anger and more about violence. Radahn, in his maddened state, is definitely the most violent of the shard bearers; lashing out at friend and foe. Melania as an empyrean, goddess, strongest swordsman, and arguably hardest boss, stands on top. True she is subservient to Miquella, but her loyalty to him is its own form pride, bushido. She is metaphorically a samurai who takes great pride in her loyalty to her vassal lord, Miquella.
@@mysteriousstranger5873
Godrick- Greed
Renala- Sloth
Radahn- Wrath
Rykard- Glutonny
Mohg- Lust
Morgott- Envy
Melania- Pride
@@RealLifeIronMan I wholey agree
I think Morgott doesnt envy his father, but the Tarnished as a whole. It implied that Godfrey is somewhat of an Abraham of The Lands Between, he was said to be the first tarnished after all and spread around the overall world of Elden Ring. Then we have Enia telling us that the Two Fingers are displeased with the Demi--Gods and are now turning their gaze towards the Tarnished. Morgott wanted to be given the chance that the Tarnished we're granted, but he couldnt bring himself to burn down the tree, that would be high treason and sacriledge. Tragedy comes from the nature of a character and that is Morgott, he just couldn't, loved it he did despite never been loved back.
This is why Morgott makes me cry. (And also you make a good point).
To be fair he may not have known that burning the Erdtree was necessary to pierce Radagon's brambles sealing the doors. He may have simply tried entering, found himself unable to despite being very powerful and holding a great rune, and determined if he couldn't at this point then nobody could.
@@kylegonewildi also find it quite likely that he accepted his inability of passage so eagerly based on his preconceptions of himself as a lesser, unfitting being from birth.
He’s not a tarnished, he’s a member of the royal family
@@iinfrunamii.Na i reckon morgott knew he never would be allowed to enter since he has no maiden and maidens are required as kindling to burn the thorns of the erdtree
I would watch the whole video but right now I'm busy committing the 8th deadly sin (panic rolling)
Jk it is a really good video though lol
Felt that
Not panic rolling, the true 8th deadly sin is fat rolling
@@Sanest_Eboth?
@@Sanest_Eblocking with a weapon is the real 8th deadly sin
This actually gave me some inspiration to create characters based on the sins
I feel you, I've been writing a book for some years that uses this premise, so any media or content with this concept I use as an ispiration as well.
Yeah those usually turn out pretty cool, make sure to make at 1 just some chill dude
wow cool idea .. maybe 1 character to embody all 7.. got me pondering
Good inspiration but take care and do not make the characters shallow, by making the sins their only characteristics.
My guess going into this
Godrick: Greed, grafting, greedy for power (could also be envy for his grafting being a result of envy of the demigods power)
Malenia: Pride. This feels like a stretch but I feel like it fits better than any other. maybe she holds back the rot goddess in her vain perception of her own strength, and also out of pride for her brother
Mohg: Lust, for power and his gateway to power bring the... Stuff he wants with miquella
Morgott: Envy of the other demigods not being a castout of the golden order he loves
Radahn: wrath This is the biggest stretch, maybe wrath against the carians he was once allied with, then her held back the stars partly so as to diminish there strength
Rennala: sloth, having lost everything, she wallows in despair, slowing making sweetlings as a comfort habit.
Rykard: Gluttony CONSUME THE WORLD
This comment is correct. I would have used different, more elaborate detailed explanations, but the order is still accurate. The video mixes them up a bit.
This was my take, too.
Exactly, of course Mohg is lust
@@obscure_genesis How does this video mix it up?
I don't think Malenia as Pride is a stretch at all... she is constantly bragging about how she has never known defeat.
You forgot the 8th deadly sin, Florida
Hm facts
Florida, AKA Caleid
@@dumpykonglive in Florida can confirm
Weeping peninsula
@@illiteratedumbasswhat part? I'm from dragon borough beach.
Radahn was also holding back all of those stars while essentially brain dead, can you imagine just how powerful prime radahn with his brain unrotted and his body intact was
That's why so many people are hoping time travel is involved in the upcoming DLC
Tarnished: "I've beaten you before."
Radahn: "Congratulations. You've beaten a half brain dead animal whittled down by a flesh eating virus and occupied with holding back the stars. You've beaten me when I was hurt. You've beaten me when I was hungry, cornered, stupid, and weak.
Can you beat me when I'm READY?"
@@kingsadvisor18that's assuming alot
Even in a fantastical world like Elden Ring, brain rot is still a huge problem.
Not really evidence is he got bodied at his prime by Morgot who didn't even need his sword, failed to actually beat Godrick, and worked with Mohg to lure the increasingly weak Malenia into a stacked battle on his turf complete with getting help from his big brother, and still lost, Radahn is a Rommel a competent person elevated to godhood by propaganda,
"This man is skateboarding a horse while holding up the stars and killing everybody he comes into contact with, and he does it all *from the hospice."*
There's some speculations that Malenia went to fight Radahn to "unlock" the skies and, through it, allow an eclipse to happen - which would then allow Miquella to either revive or permanently kill Godwyn (some stuff in Castle Sol give credence to that).
And that Radahn was holding back the stars to prevent more Astels from crashing into the Lands Between (one Astel is even named "stars of darkness", and some descriptions imply it _is_ a star, iirc), one of which was apparently routed to destroy Selia, a town he was very fond of. So both had very high stakes in that fight (which makes it much sadder to see both end up worse after it).
I do agree with the comments who mention Malenia being closer to pride than wrath (though I believe she calls herself "the blade of Miquella" over and over to _remind herself_ of who she is, more than for being proud of it), but Radahn fits it all the more.
Great video nonetheless. When I saw the title, I thought you were trying some kind of "seven deadly sins playthrough", as in, beat the bosses using skills/weapons that might represent each sin
You don't need stars to create an eclipse, only sun and moon
Also in ranni's questline, it's made clear that the stars hold the fate of the carian royal, radahn's motivation or at least one of his motivations was to prevent the fate of his family and thus engaged the stars in battle and saved his family
@ashjose7973 There's two moons visible at the Cathedral of Manus Celes, and nowhere else. Ranni has a whole moon theme going around her, and maybe she needed the power from that second moon to kill the Fingers. Perhaps that second moon was also unavailable due to Radahn's tampering. He locked out the entire sky, not just the stars. Nothing in the sky changes position until you kill him.
Remember that Ranni's fate is to replace Marika as the Outer Will's main representative, and she doesn't want to. She needs to unlock the skies to defy her fate, not to fulfill it. Killing the Two Fingers is akin to a puppet killing its puppeteer and still living afterwards. Her goal isn't exactly easy.
There's a ghost in castle Sol lamenting that their predicted eclipse never happened, and it could've been precisely due to Radahn's actions.
Sure, Ranni needed Radahn dead, but I'm proposing that she wasn't the only one who did, and that Malenia had decent reasons for it.
@@ashjose7973 And would you like to remind me what the sun is?
@Fafniiir tbf the sun still moves normally in elden ring
@@NickMorales-wy3zh you mean the earth rotation ????
Watching this after dlc knowledge makes me feel so bad for mohg
DLC update: Miquella used mohg so the tarnished would off him for Miquella to later use his body and Radahns soul to create promised consort Radahn
Spongebob being Lust is crazy
SpongeBob is lust cause of a lust for life, according to the theory
Strong desire to live and have fun doing it _Shrug_
Lust can mean "passionate desire" and Spongebob is passionate about practically everything.
Ppl thinking lust is only sexual is crazy
@@m.r3052read the dictionary
@@taitherapper4949 words can have more than one meaning
I'd argue that Godrick fits for Greed way more than for Sloth. He spends all his time gathering and amassing things to graft and increase his power. All so he could be equal to others of his kind. When he grafts the dragon all he cares about is approval of his line(Forefathers, one and all... bear witness!), especially from Godfrey(Great Godfrey, did'st thou witness?).
On the other hand the one who is assosiated with Sloth in my mind is Morgott. Sloth isn't exactly laziness, it's a refusal to take action, resistance to changes, preventing others from doing something and keep things the way they are causing stagnation. And this is exactly what Morgott does, he hunts tarnished, fights the player three times, prevents them from reaching frenzied flame and mountaintops, all with one goal - to keep things the way they are. He failed and gave up, so in his mind there's no hope and no reason to try anymore. "Put these foolish ambitions to rest", "thy deeds shall be met with failure, just as I".
Also his title of “godrick the golden”
Sloth is kinda like renella
Morgott was the one actively protecting the erdtree by using margit. He is doing everything in his power to protect the erdtree how is that sloth?
@@John-hy6qz already explained that, please pay attention
@@ГлебКаменский-я7й but by that definition every character who protects the erdtree is lazy because they are resistant to change. To your logic Gideon, radagon, the elden beast, and godfrey are all lazy because they protect the Elden ring and refuse to change their beliefs. I think the definition refers more to personal changes like loosing weight, and working out. Basically just a willingness to change yourself for the betterment of yourself and others.
Godrick is the definition of sloth. Sure he changes his body to become stronger. But he does it by using the limbs of the tarnished that his men killed to graft onto himself. Most of his strength literally comes from other people.
I'm not sure Malenia set out *before* Miquella was kidnapped. By her dialogue -- "I dreamt for so long. Corpse after corpse left in my wake, as I awaited his return..."
It sort of implies Miquella was kidnapped, *then* she, perhaps enraged and lost to a fugue state, set out to whom she believed may have kidnapped him. If she wasn't doing just that -- why wouldn't she take the great rune from the helpless Renala, or the pitiful Godrick? She went to Radahn with a specific purpose in mind, and that purpose can't have been great runes.
true but if she was ay the haligtree when miquella was kidnapped how tf did mohg pull that off without getting absolutely annihilated
@@snakebiteonblitzmalenia is blind so he just crouch-walked
@@snakebiteonblitzshe was blind, half dead, and in a coma
If it's true then Malenia almost actually retrieved Miquella because Mohguin palace is directly below Caelid. Which means that she somehow tracked down his general direction but might not have noticed/known that he was in the underground, potentially assuming that Radahn(the nearest visible demigod) might've had some involvement with his dissappearance.
As far as I know she went to kill Radahn at Miquella's request. Radahn is holding back Miquella's fate (as well as Ranni's) by holding back the stars. For Miquella to continue his new Erdtree he needed Radahn dead so his fate could happen. In game after we kill Radahn, Ranni can fulfill her fate and bring about the age of stars. Presumably Miquella was kidnapped either during her battle with Radahn, or sometime after when Finlay was taking her back to the Haligtree.
Oh, I get it. Radahn is pride, like a lion.
Just like Escanor.
Cannot believe I missed the connection, holy shit
is he really any more prideful than the others? I feel like pride is a sin anyone who claims to be a demi god is drowning in, that said, the pride motif along with red hair ect is fun, and the pride required to conquer the stars is mighty. But i feel its less him being more prideful in comparison, its just he was the strongest in comparison and knew it.
The biggest symbol of pride he shows is the subconscious usage of holding back the stars and protecting Leonard whilst he was going crazy from god cancer. The biggest external show is the pride everyone else has in him.
All the demigods have the same pride ingrained in them, its just his power let him take it the furthest. The pride of a lion is more obvious than the pride of a fox.
@@dumpykong I think he would be envy because he's like obsessed with Godfrey just my opinion
I would say malenia fits the pride spot way more, that's basically her whole character. That she's prideful and a little in denial
If you re-contextualize the sins in relation to the Golden Order, it might go more like this:
Pride - Malenia and Miquella building a new order in defiance of the established
Lust - Morgott desperate to be embraced
Greed - Mogh wanting to usurp the ascension of an empyrean, straight to the top, even by stealing it in the chaos of war
Envy - Godrick desperately envious of anything perceived as more powerful, despite being a demigod
Sloth - Rennala the original meaning of sloth was being insufficiently devoted to god, usually leveled against women
Gluttony - Radahn any means to get what he wants, even using gravity magic just to keep his horse (gaunt and emaciated to call attention to the disparity), then obv the cannibalism
Wrath - Rykard was the wrath of the Golden Order, then the avatar of wrath intended for the Golden Order.
Archetypes are everywhere
I feel like grafting is more accurate to how grafting a tree branch is rather than a mere skin graft, it’s not just a patch of skin it’s a literal limb like a tree’s branch. Almost turning godrick (the recipient tree in this case) into a sort of ship of Theseus deal imho (honestly, could he even still be the same godrick physically? He’s more other body parts than even his own it seems at this point)
I thought Lust would be Mogh, since he did want to bone his brother Miquella. He's pretty obsessed with becoming the consort to an Empyrean to ensure the coming of his *desired* dynasty, so it'd make a lot of sense for him to represent that sin.
Also a quick correction, Renala didn't gift the golden sword to Radagon, she gifted a Moon Greatsword that later Radagom himself reforged into the Golden Order Greatsword
I don't think Mogh loves Miquela like a person that you love its more of Mogh love's Miquela because Miquela is gonna be Moghs key for his era .
@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 Which is precisely what lust is, empty desire due to superficial reasons. He didn't love Miquela, he lusted after Miquela's potential.
He doesn't want to bone his brother, stop watching so many ai sketches
@@IchCharacterhe didn't love his brother, he wanted to use him to fulfill his selfish desires
Also Mohgs whole Blood lord arc started from him being finaly loved by someone. The formless mother. He also offers Love to all acording ro Varre so theres more evidence.
Also its not stated anywhere that Mohg boned Miquella. Its stated he Shared his Blood Bed chambers with him but that could mean he simply slept in the cocoon or that he boned him. We dong know. Tho granted the Branch does mention Miquella having a Constant aura that makes people love him so mayby mohgs under Miquellas spell.
Justice for Mogh!
Great vid. Tbf even with the mind control greed still fits, with Mogh sacrificing others for his dynasty.
Mohg: Alligations beaten.
This was absolutely amazing. I’ve never actually played the game, but this made me feel like I know it so well now. You’re incredible!.
Do it dude.
You should play it
Ephesians 6:10-18 says,
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints. The bible is no old book. You have to really let Christ open your eyes; to see the world in shambles. Many people say it's a religion to lock up people in chains, and say it's a rule book.. why? Because people hate hearing the truth, it hurts their flesh, it's hurts their pride, it's exposes on what things have they done..people love this world so much, s*x, money, power, women, supercars.. things of this world. Still trying to find something that can fill that emptiness in your heart. You can't find that in this world.. only in Christ, the bible is no chains, it's a chainbreaker. Breaking your sins into pieces... Repent now, and turn back to the true Lord only.. God bless.
Kinda thought lust would go to Mohg for well, obvious reasons, but this goes so in depth into the lore and made complete sense. Another banger Dumpy!
There's a lot wrong in the video, especially when covering Godrick. Lust does fit Mohg perfectly as well, not Rennala. There's a lot of misinterpretations in the video as well for the sins.
@@metaforeva3744mohg doesn't list for his brother, he wants to use him to fulfill his own selfish desires of power. Rennala went in a state of grief obsessing over her husband radogon
@@DevilSpade true however Mohg serves Formless Mother because she *Loves* his cursed blood and Mohg Promises for everyone who follows him *Love*
Also Mohg embraced or should i say *Loved* his omen blood.
So Lust seems way more in line with him than Greed.
@@DevilSpade Exactly why lust fits Mogh perfectly. Lust as a sin has nothing to do with love. It is all about selfish desire. Mogh is lusting for power, he desperately wants to have a mighty kindom for himself. His desire for Miquela is not because of love, but because by becoming his brother's consort, he might reach his ultimate wish. And he would use his brother to get what he wants.
Rennala, on the other hand, became totally apathetic after Radagon left her. She stopped living, instead spending the time after their seperation in a slumber. Sloth is much more than just being lazy. In this case Rennala represents sloth by being the headmaster unable to fight her dispirited mind. And instead withdrew herself in the school's library cradling her egg like a baby, while Raya Lucaria was crumbling around her.
I LOVE Mohg and Morgott so much, and i wish more people gave them the love they deserve.
Morgott and Mohg, inherently, symbolise two different responses to abuse. Morgott is desperate to prove that he didnt deserve it while Mohg is desperate to userp his abusers. I honestly think Mohg and Morgott are the most depthful of the demigods
To add to this excellent point, it's obviously a lot easier to feel like Morgott was the good brother of the two, in that his designs didn't involve kidnapping, the ruination of a very promising new world and possibly incitement of a battle that nuked a country, but Morgott's coping mechanism is still equally destructive to Mohg's, just in subtler ways. His whole lordship of Leyndell is predicated on the lie that Morgott, the Veiled Monarch, and Margit, the Fell Omen, leader of the royal guard, are separate people, because if anyone ever lived to find out, he'd be ousted by the very people he wants to protect for nothing more than what ultimately amounts to a birth defect he has. Leyndell is built on an foundation of civility and order, but they're as bigoted as anyone else when the chips are down. Morgott is ultimately perpetuating a system that, were he not cunning enough to circumvent it with his dual identity, would still have him locked in a sewer like a rat for the rest of his life, his parentage be damned, his contributions to keeping the Golden Order alive forgotten in an instant, just for being 'born wrong'. And this is just talking about Morgott himself, not even touching on the dogma that he inherited keeping countless other Omens in their squalid exile. Yeah, Mohg is going about his own plan in the absolute worst, if the most strictly pragmatic, way he can, but it's still trying, in Mohg's own effed up way, to change things for something approximate to the better at its core, because the current system is inherently unjust in a way the Fell Twins know all too well. They are both hurt people who coped with their abuse in completely opposite ways, and while Morgott may seem more noble on the surface, his insistence upon keeping the status quo, even when it would condemn him and others like him to a hellish fate, is no less flawed than Mohg's overly radical desire to tear the whole system down.
Sorry to burst your head canon but Morgott isint desperate to prove others wrong about himself.
Morgott despises himself and sees himself as Impure and follows to this day Golden Orders Teachings. Why do you think Omen are still locked away in the sewers? Why do you think the Omen Killers are on his pay roll?
Morgott agrees with Golden Orders views on him and other cursed, however his stockholm syndrome is causing him to still think its rightful.
I love mohg but only as a daddy, no other way.
Yeah, regardless of his past, mogh forsaked himself and any love he deserved when he stole miquella
It’s ironic how morgott claims to be royalty while wearing rags but mohg is dripped out while ruling over basically nothing
Neat fact: after you beat morrgot, he no longer had horns, suggesting the erdtree recognized him in his final moments
8:24 what she gave him was a moon greatsword, which is bestowed by a Carian queen upon her
spouse to honor long-standing tradition(taken partly from the description of the dark moon greatsword). after going back to the golden order, radagon changed the sword to fit the golden order
You should make a video on characters who embody the seven heavenly virtues next. There are some who I believe just outright show these traits, like Godfrey showing humility when faced against other warriors, smaller and possibly weaker than him, but still showing them respect and fighting them with all he has.
Very interesting and well presented thanks :) I would personnaly have chosen Rennala as Sloth, staying in the library as she is and failing her people, Mohg as Lust (his burning desire for power and Miquella feels like it), Godrick as Greed who never satiate and always wants more Tarnished to graft, Malenia as Pride being the Blade of Miquella/the Millicent line and Radahn as Wrath! But it still feels adequate now
Edit : After reading the reply to this message Radahn makes more sense as Pride and Malenia as Wrath indeed :)
I agree with most of this, but I don’t think Radahn suits wrath at all. He shows great restraint holding back the stars, I feel like to embody the actual *sin* of wrath he would need to sacrifice his restraint to throw the brunt of his power into destruction. Melania, meanwhile, abandons her vulnerable brother in the pursuit of war. She destroys her body, her own army, and an entire country in a moment of reckless combat.
@@tansywhisker2547 Oooh that's very true ! Definitely makes more sense to swipe these in my proposal :)
before watching the video
Godrick - greed "I will bathe in rays of gold"
Renalla - sloth "she sits the entire fight untill she cant"
Morgot - envy "he was born with a curse making him unable to be king until the kingdom is desperate"
Radahn - wrath "the rot has made him attack anyone friend or foe"
Rykard - gluttony "he eats people to gain their power"
Mohg - lust "lets move on"
Malenia - pride "she is Malenia blade of miquela"
This is the correct take
@@jakesteinberg5902buzz off, radahns rot is literally malenia's and she gives in to her destructive, chaotic powers even under miquela because of her wrath and anger. How is using the power of others to get what you want not sloth? Godrick has ambitions yes but he doesn't work for any of them, he doesn't seek improvement he just wants his power in the way that takes the least effort. Renala obsession over her husband drove her into a deep depression, before that she pioneered a new way of magic and became the queen of her little Harry Potters school she has going. Mohg doesn't want to bone his brother that's a common lie told, he wants to use his brothers powers to fulfill his own vision of power even his whimpering when he dies sounds like a spoiled kid going "mine mine mine" when he doesn't get what he wants
@@DevilSpade "Mohg doesn't want to bone his brother that's a common lie told" I suggest you re-read the "Remembrance of Mohg" item description. It's commonly said, because it's common lore knowledge. That's not even a deep dive.
@@mayazeal3469 on the same par as mha shipping.
pride and wrath can be interchangable between malenia and radahn, 1-malenia nuked radahn because she wanted to keep her undefeated record and dit it as desparation and to protect her pride in her blade,2 radahn waited for malenia to put on her arm for a fair fight and he idolizes godfrey a guy whose whole thing is about strength and fair fight on the other had malenia has the scarlet rot something that literally decimates anything in its path, and her voice line "you will witness true horror, now rot" and mad radhan who eats friends and foes or fights them etc they both share the same amount of pride and wrath tho i'd argue malenia slightly more because she conciously does it and radahn is completely gone in the head and wrath isn't his natural personality
A lot of them can actually be argued to fit some or even all of the sins.
Sloth is a big thing for all of them, most are just literally waiting for you to walk up and execute them after all and it seems they've been in that state of stasis for a long, long time. Morgott is the only one actively doing things and his whole goal is to keep the others from doing things.
Pride is strong in Radahn, Malenia, and Godrick.
Envy is strong in both Morgott and Godrick.
Lust is an obvious motivator for Mohg.
Wrath is seen in Radahn, Rykard, Ranni.
Gluttony for Rykard, but also in Godrick.
Greed is seen in Mohg, Rykard, Godrick, and Motgott to various extents.
1:25 the way this was cut i thought you were gonna say "the first sin we'll talk about is raid shadow legends"
Looking at this video now after what happened in the DLC to mogh is tough
Rennala seems like a good candidate for Sloth as well, never leaving her Tower after Radagon left her for Marika. (Themselves) She’s so used to this state of waiting for her partner to come back that even when we fight her, she can’t stand up to fight us just like her children. I agree that Malenia is a great candidate for Pride as well, and I think that you could make a case for Radahn being Wrath, Godrick being Lust/Greed, this theory has a lot of potential and I’m curious to see what puzzle pieces can fit where
Yeah she doesn't leave cause she's in a great depression cause her husband left her. How is pioneering a new form of magic and being a leader of student's sloth?
I think the fact that the comments are all debating which boss fits with which sin kinda proves the theory is false. These characters were clearly written without any intention to represent the seven deadly sins, it's a very tired trope after all, seeing as they are simply negative character traits that literally anyone could exhibit at any time, and these characters are shown to be a bit more complex than one-word descriptors.
Take Godrick as an example, he's interesting because he's the runt of the demi-gods, a feeble old man grasping at power, having to hide himself among women to flee from the capital during the war, while also being easily bested in battle by Malenia, forced to grovel for his life. He looks to his past, to the strength of Godfrey, his ancestor, and attempts to make himself worthy by grafting the bodies of strong warriors onto his own, in a perverse replication of Godfrey taking Serosh upon his back. He fails to see the irony in the fact that Serosh's purpose was to suppress Godfrey's might, not enhance it. Godrick even seemingly curses Stormveil, once the castle of Godfrey, through his constant grafting. Even with all his extra limbs, his huge ornate golden axe, a fucking dragon head for a hand, he's still a pathetic old man, because his power wasn't earned, and it wasn't his. No matter how much he took, he'd never be anywhere near the level of the First Elden Lord that he worshipped so much.
I think that's much more interesting than saying he represents sloth, or pride, or envy, or gluttony, because you could easily say he fits all of these, because he's layered and not written by a 14 year old that thinks the seven deadly sins trope is deep lmao
Right. There's also the fact that Rennala shouldn't be here since she's not a demigod, and Miquella, Ranni, and Godwyn are important demigods but they cannot make it to the list since it should feature only 7 characters.
The theory of characters representing the deadly sins is older than someone would imagine.
I've seen it in a lot of media far more than in videogames themselves.
(SpongeBob, Simpsons...)
The same kind of theory as everything is a dream or imagination for every midly fantastic story.
When you have such big variety of characters like those, each other having diferent personalities and each flaw for each personality, is easier to correlate some of this traits with something we know, or start to see things where they aren't.
I don’t care I’m taking the pill.
There are 7 remembrance bosses who have great runes. 7 is a very specific number. Radahn has lions on his armor and lions are a symbol of pride.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that mohg wields a spear made of gold and sliver and wears a royal robe. That also corresponds to his character of desiring power. He starts his own cult purely because he wants power over people.
I also don’t think that rykard being a snake that eats to gain power and that his mistress (who i can’t remember the name of) eats him when he dies. She also says that she will eat his *whole* body even though that is way too much food for one person.
Melania also nuked caled to try and kill radahn while he was clearly holding back. You have to be very angry to turn a whole region into Nagasaki during the end of WW2
Godfrey is one of the most pathetic characters in elden ring. He has the blood of a God but never chooses to get stronger. He uses the strength of others that he attaches to himself. He chooses not to hone his own strength because it is easier to graft limbs onto his own.
Before the shattering renalla was considered an equal to radagon who is a god. But after he left she goes completely insane because of how grief stricken she is. She has so much lust for radagon that she can’t function without him almost like a drug addict.
Morgott feels envious of the life that he could’ve lived if he wasn’t born as an omen. He could have been but he was forced to life in the sewers. That is what drives him to guard the erdtree, the same people who rejected him long ago because he wants to live the life of royalty.
This is clearly not an accident either. The devs have even put some not so subtle irony into the designs of morgott and mohg. Mohg wears royal cloths but rules over nothing while morgott is wearing rags but has the highest honor in the world. It just feels so blatantly obvious once you realize it.
Full apology to mohg now
mohg done got miquellested
Why? Nothing changed. He is just as bad
@@mihaimercenarul7467 mohg was charmed by miquella so he could ascend to godhood
@@sp4sticchicken65he wasn’t charmed into being the leader of a killer blood cult.
@@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942but he was charmed by miquella!
This was actually a lot more interesting than i expected it to be. god i love Elden Ring lore!
great video! :)
I’ve thought of this before, this is what I came up with (haven’t watched the video yet)
Godrick: Greed. Always wanted more power, stole limbs from corpses to steal their power
Rennala: Sloth. Kinda just lays around all day, probably can’t even walk, she barely even fights back when we fight the real her (yeah I know she’s fucked up mentally but still, lazybones)
Radahn: Wrath. Is basically just a wild animal now due to rot. A little shaky on this one because pre-rot he does not seem wrathful
Rykard: Gluttony. The entire plan of Volcano Manor is to find the powerful Tarnished and feed them to Rykard. Also, the spirit guy who tells you about the spear calls him gluttonous
Morgott: Envy. Morgott hates his cursed blood and the fact he is an omen. He is born without grace, yet still defends the Erdtree that denied him grace. And when we fight him, he keeps talking about how we’re a graceless Tarnished. Clearly projecting, sounds pretty jealous that some random dude got grace, while he, the King of Leyndell, didn’t.
Mohg: Lust. The Maid of Miquella.
Malenia: Pride. The Blade of Miquella. The one who has never known defeat. Seems to be something she likes to say. Whenever she seems to be losing a battle, such as against Radahn or you, she pulls out the Aeonia card and absolutely fucking nukes the place to save face.
the maid of miquella hahaha 😭
I do think the theory of the shardbearers being based on the seven deadly sins seems pretty on point and very symbolic in a way that seems to really fit Miyazaki’s storytelling but I feel like there are three here that need to be swapped and those three are Godrick, Rennala, and Mohg.
Mohg seems like the pretty obvious one to me that’s out of place. There are so many items like Rivers of Blood connected to the Lord of Blood that reference the word “bloodlust.” In fact, that’s kind of the entire purpose of Mohg’s character. He has a deep DESIRE to bring about his “dynasty” revolving around an outer god who craves wounds. In fact, Mohg’s entire driving purpose is an embodiment of bloodlust. Plus, red being a clear indicator of “passion” feels very symbolic.
Next, as someone else mentioned, Rennala is kind of an embodiment of Sloth herself. Once Radagon leaves, she is so wracked with grief that she can barely function anymore and obsesses about what once was in place of what could be. This is a very clear embodiment of laziness. The very fact that Rennala does not actively fight us is clearly representative of this. She doesn’t even actually fight us in her second phase, this is an illusion/spirit conjured by her daughter, Rani, to defend her mother’s former glory and show that she didn’t always used to just be a pushover. However, she still is even in the end, sat in the same position she began in.
Godrick, next, is definitely the one that requires a bit more thought but obviously, this leaves Godrick as Greed and I do really think this checks out. Godrick wants more limbs and more strength and continues to grasp and grasp and grasp (quite literally with his several hands which also serve as a great greed metaphor which we all know Miyazaki loves). Even with all the power he accumulates however, it both never is and never feels like enough for Godrick. Additionally, we have another good color metaphor like Mohg’s red, GOLD. Godrick is not referred to by anyone as Godrick the Golden though this is how he wishes to be perceived. He is obsessed with raising his power and status to position where he might be “bathed in rays of gold.” And something tells me that even with this achievement, Godrick would still not be satisfied, he wishes to be lord of “all that is golden” but it is something eternally out of his grasp because his greed is what keeps him from obtaining true strength.
Other than those three, I definitely do think the others are pretty spot on but those three are the ones that I do have to strongly disagree with.
Very well made video! Does a great job showing even more comparisons and parallels you can pull from this immersive universe!
8:25 Rennala didn't give Radagon the golden order sword, she gave him the moonlight sword given to the consorts of Carian Royalty.
Radagon forged it into the golden order sword
the variety and quality of your content is incredible
12:06 Not correcting anything, just wanted to clarify for those who are unclear. As Morgott lays there dieing, he is refering to how his blood is now literally on the royal thrones. His entire life he was made to believe himself unworthy of a throne, so much so that he is ashamed to see his cursed omen blood has spilled onto them. I believe that this is what's meant when he uses the term "stained by my curse".
I agree with almost every one of these except Wrath. I have never thought of Malenia as wrathful. However, the one that I always saw as the epitome of Wrath was Godfrey. I mean, just look at his boss fight! How can anyone else be Wrath with Hoarah Loux, Warrior stomping about?!
Watch the outro
"I thought Lust was gonna be the hardest sin to assign"
Mohg: Am I a joke to you?
We need justices for mohg 😭🙏
No
I like your interpretation in the video, this is mine:
Greed = Godrick: "im the Lord of all that is Golden!" he literally grafts his power; the name God-Rick also means God (divine) and the name Rick literally means: "rich and powerful".
Gluttony = Rikard: "Toghetha...We will devour... The very Gods!"
Sloth = Rennala: she is sloth because she literally won't even fight, she is passive waiting for the return of Radagon and even from a game design point of view, you can literally go to her to respec your points if you are too lazy to create a new character.
Lust = Mohg: "I wish to anoint you a proper inductee. A knight to serve Luminary Mohg, the Lord of Blood, and establish a new dynasty. Luminary Mohg has strength, vision, and of course, LOVE. So, what do you say, my lambkin?". (-Varré)
Mohg is clear lust, his forbidden and perverse desire for Miquella, his "love" that Varré is talking about, that is reflected by his followers and their pleasure in the "taste for noble blood".
Envy = Morgott: you already nailed it in the video, he is envious of his father and the tarnished who is going to become Elden Lord.
Pride = Malenia: she has a huge ego and sense of self, she can't accept a lose, she is too prideful... But i understand your perspective in the video.
Wrath = Radahn: While even Radahn is prideful, he still rappresents Wrath best, since he goes "out of his mind" he becomes "like a dog that eats his own companions", the Wrath is literally the sin of going out of control because full of anger; i think that the metaphor behind keeping the stars still is about keeping the anger within, the withold, contain and suppress of his own devastating power.
Radahn is the Wrath that destroys his own companions and friends.
It isn't implied that radagon and Marika are the same person...it is flat out stated as fact. Do the golden order quest and you find out and tell gold mask.
6:16 I would argue that he wasn’t borrowing the snakes power but the other way around, why else would the serpent want to eat Rykard
Idk man Malenia in second phase gives me a certain deadly sin
16:56
Finlay’s travel was probably not a straight line back. It says that he fought and traveled all the way back to the haligtree. So he most likely fought his way out of cealid went through limgrave past godrick’s castle. With soldiers who were probably itching to kill some cleanrot knights after their lords humiliation. Across liurnia which probably a good rest from violence. Through Altus, through Lyndel, through consecrated snowfield and all the way down to the bass of the haligtree. So yeah, he’s a giga chad.
15:06 apologies to mohg now 😭
Malenia could be pride to, she literaly nuked the lands betwen with scarlet rot, just not to lose to Radhan, "I have never known defeat" she says that with pride
Great video! I have to strongly disagree. I think Malenia is Pride and Radahn is Wrath. You can argue that Radahn is only wrath-like after his fight with Malenia but whatever. Malenia cannot help but constantly remind everyone that she's "undefeated". She's so proud of this that she sacrificed the entire of Caelid so she could argue that Radahn couldn't win and she's still "never known defeat". If that isn't the most blatant act of pride in Elden Ring, I'll give a horned omen a big 'ol hug.
thank you
she literally only says that she is undefeated once
This was really good! Your script naturally flowed with each boss OST.
My how the dlc changes Everyones opinion of Miquella.
12:46 No, he didn't. The only rights to the throne ever stated, is Strength, and you, the player, defeat all in your path, showing your strength surpasses all.
Great video, but at 8:25 you said Rennala gifted the Golden Order Greatsword to Radagon, but that isn't entirely true. She gave him a Dark Moon Greatsword like the one Ranni gives the player at the end of her questline, and then, after leaving her, Radagon made it into the Golden Order Greatsword, which is a massive betrayal against her.
Poor rennala… gave a man exactly what men want and then he turns around and makes it piss colored
Dude that was one of the best descriptions of the lore behind elden ring. It was really exciting to hear all this too. Fantastic video
There are plenty of indications that Miquella was actually kidnapped prior to Malenia's crusade... In fact, as the location of Malenia and Radahn's great duel happened straight above where Mohg was keeping Miquella, and the Heart of Aeonia itself appears to be a gigantic Sacramental Bud (plants strongly implied to have been watered with Miquella's blood) it can be inferred that Malenia might've tracked Miquella to Caelid and arrived at the conclusion that it was Radahn who had kidnapped her brother... It's also strongly implied that the Scarlet Rot corrodes an individual's mind if they do not have a strong sense of self to anchor themselves to, and Malenia has shaped her identity around being "the undefeated swordswoman" to such an extent that moments like Radahn being able to stalemate her, and the Tarnished being able to best her, shakes her so badly that the Scarlet Rot can break out again... Though wrath might've motivated her crusade, it's not what triggers her to bloom.
Also: If you're gonna go all "if Radahn hadn't been holding back the stars, then he might've crushed Malenia" on us, then you kinda also need to go "if Malenia was not holding back the power of a Fallout God so that it wouldn't erupt out of her body then she might've crushed Radahn" as well. Credit goes in both directions here.
Radahn simps are insane. Always creating headcanons that's not supported by the game. There's zero indication that Radahn holding back the stars nerfs him.
@@CalmingVisionary There's that, too, yes. And most people seem to just kinda go along with that argument, as if throwing Radahn a bone or something... By contrast, I don't see that many people (not even among the Malenia simps tbh) bring up the fact that the Scarlet Rot had claimed Malenia's dominant arm, both of her legs, and both of her eyes by the time she was finally weak enough for Radahn to be able to stalemate her... On one hand, we probably have to assume that being an Empyrean gave Malenia a hefty power boost, but on the other hand we've still got the fact that being the Empyrean of the Scarlet Rot was crippling and, by extension, presumably also weakening her...
@GrahamChapman I don't think being an Empyrean boosted her power. The game makes it clear that the Rot nerfed her potential. Her great rune should've been the "most sacred of all", but it's half-rotted and thus useless. Every mention of her rot frames it as a disability that she overcomes. She's strong in spite of it (her blade description: "Though she never knew relief from the accursed rot she was born into, her blade was forever beautiful and relentless"). Multiple item descriptions and her great rune emphasizes that she would've been stronger if she was not born with the rot. As for Radahn, nothing in the game says he was nerfed in any way. For example, the game makes it clear Malenia would've been stronger if she was not cursed, and Godfrey was being nerfed because Serosh was holding him back. But nowhere does it say that Radahn is nerfed by holding the stars, it's only a headcanon invented by his fans. Radahn was healthy when he fought Malenia and still couldn't kill her. One move from her Rot attack immediately put him out of the game lol. And the only reason he hasn't died to the rot is because of his great rune which is burning to resist it. Nothing about Radahn was nerfed, it's just his fans creating headcanons and being in denial.
@@CalmingVisionary I think being an Empyrean did boost her power, same as I think being related by blood to a God boosted the power of all of the Demigods. But, as you say, Malenia still wasn't as powerful as she could've been/would've been had the Scarlet Rot not been crippling her... It's a fair observation you make about Radahn, though: He's one of the few characters who didn't hold himself back or was held back in some capacity. Well, I mean, the Rot has gotten to him by the time we fight him, sure, but still: When he went up against Malenia, he was Prime!Radahn... Kinda makes you wonder what Prime!Malenia would've been like if she hadn't been an Empyrean, or at least not the Empyrean of an entity that weakened her so... Intact eyes, dominant arm still going strong, both legs healthy and spry, mind and body never weakened but only strengthened by her divine attributes and powers... Though, then again, if that had been her life then I suppose she wouldn't have had quite the same impetus to overcome her weaknesses and grow stronger, either... Kudos to Miyazaki who's out there giving us badass representations for handicapped people. Especially considering how badly stigmatized handicapped people normally are in Japanese society.
Naw fr the bias towards radahn was crazy
I love these sort of videos, taking common ideas and concepts and applying them to stories or characters in my favorite games, and you certainly do it justice! another excellent video, sir Dumpy!
If you want an explanation for how radagon and marika can have children, or radagon can marry rennala while marika is doing her own thing, it can be inferred that they were originally different people. Marika and Radagon's people, empyreans, can become two people with different personalities, just sharing the same body.
8:23 I think you get it wrong here. Similar to Ranni who gifted us Darkmoon Greatsword as the wedding gift under her guidance moon - The Dark moon, Renala must have given Radagon the sword of her own moon - Fullmoon Greatsword or we can call it the orginal Moonlight Greatsword. However, in Radagon hand it turned into the Golden Order Greatsword, likely to be influenced by his divinity status or relationship with Merika/Erdtree.
Malenia and Radahn have pretty much interchangable sins, he is almost as angry as he's prideful, while she enjoys too much being the undefeated armed hand of the best empyrean
Great video. I was taken by surprise on a few. Radahn was so prideful of being a Demigod that he admired Godfrey, who wasn’t even his father. While he was living as grandiose as possible, his siblings were plotting. He even held the stars in place, thwarting Ranni’s plan. It’s like he shunned his family to become as great as Godfrey once was.
Then came Malenia, to which I assume was pressed for time as the rot was eating her alive, looking to defeat the strongest to reassure the future unbeknownst to Mohg’s scheme. The perfect recipe for wrath. A blind rage.
I think this could be the dumbest take I have ever seen
I just wanted to mention that malenia and miquella are cursed by outter gods not because Marika and raddagon are the same person, oh and after miquella gets kidnapped after malenias fight with radahn. She was there just slumbering as she was when we walk up on her
Of all the tragic characters in Elden Ring, Morgott is one of the few I genuinely feel sorry for
Shunned from birth for the "sin" of being born an Omen, he never wavered in his loyalty to the Erdtree and it's Golden Order. The same Order that shunned him, the order he had every right to hate. When the Elden Ring was shattered, he didn't just nab "a" shard, he nabbed the *anchoring ring*, the part that above all other shards was needed to restore the Elden Ring.
And yet, despite his unwavering loyalty, despite his golden lineage, despite having the most important piece to repair the ring..... the Erdtree still spurned him. Denied him access the same it did us. Morgott had every reason to despise the Golden Order, yet he above all others was it's most staunch defender. A true tragedy.
Spongebob: Lust. 🤨
Some people say that cuz he shows signos of "homesexuality", what is Just dumb
I think I could easily see it as
Godrick, Envy
- Bro literally wants to be Godfrey so bad, he keeps yapping on about his ancestry, and you could argue that is pride, but it seems to be eating away at him that he can never live up to what came before him.
Rennala, Sloth
- She is just very dreamy and inert, all she wants to do is wait for her amber to hatch, which is something that will probably never happen.
Rykard, Gluttony
- I think it's impossible to disagree with this one so lets skip it.
Morgott, Pride
- Despite the Golden Order being shattered and all the other shard bearers fighting for power, Morgott is trying to uphold order and keep the balance created by Radagon, he also explicitly refers to everyone else as "willful traitors". He isn't proud of himself, he has no vanity, but he is very proud of The Golden Order.
Radahn, Lust
- Lust is not just about sexual urges and gratification, but about indulgence as a whole, and what is the main thing related to Radahn? A festival of violence. Pure, unfiltered indulgence in war for the sake of it. I can see how it could be viewed as Wrath, but I think this passion for war comes from a place of admiration for the sport of it. He is animalistic, acting on instinct, he does what he pleases because he is eternally self-indulgent, he would rather master gravity magic than admit he needed a different horse.
Mohg, Greed
- Mohg is trying to grow a dynasty, he even kidnaps Miquella, the only figure capable of potentially making a rival to the Erdtree's power. Greed, in this example, is not about monetary wealth, but about power overall, whether it be followers, territory, whatever. Mohg wants to expand his kingdom.
Malenia, Wrath
- Malenia's title literally refers to herself as a weapon, being the Blade of Miquella. She is undefeated in combat, and pretty much destroyed Caelid during her war with Radahn. She remains idle unless directed at something, but gives it her all when she has to.
Here from the future....and whew boy were we all wrong about Mohg/Miquella.
12:25
Reminded me of an old meme
'How to make what you say sound cooler, elden ring edition'
'That's not going to work, I tried that earlier' ❌️
'Thy deeds shall be met with failure, as am I'✅️
Man, this video is a piece of art 👏👏🤩. I thought Mohg would be lust, Godrick would be greed and Rennala Sloth😅. You surprised me!
I feel like godrick and radagon are interchangeable. They are both very lazy and eager to consume anything they can get their grubby little hands on. Radon also wasn't overly prideful, because he remembered who he came from. If anything, Melania is pride and Radon is wrath because of the blind rage he fell into for an unknown but presumably long ammonut of time under the influence of the scarlet rot.
the writers and artists really make up for the creepiness with this beautiful story
The ones I definitely agree with here are Morgott being Envy and Rykard being Gluttony.
"Pride is the father of all sins" - me.
The others, however...
Let's start with Godrick. His best personification is most likely Greed, with some hints of Envy and Pride with him. He was born with no power of his own, other than his status, and he used it to steal others power, greeding for it and becoming more powerful this way. He's also envious of other demigods, since he wants to be as powerful or more than them. But, he's also prideful, since he commands you to kneel and then proclaims himself "A lord of all that is golden", and when he grafts his dragon all, he tells his forefathers to bear witness to him, basically being like "aren't you proud of me?" Anyways, pride in the demigods is a recurring theme.
Rennala is the personification of sloth. Yes, she's depressed, but she does nothing but float and cuddle her egg all the time. She used to be proud in the past, but after Radagon left her, she's only sloth.
Mohg is 100% lust. I mean, he wants to create a dynasty with his... Half-brother who... Looks like a child. But besides his weird life choices, I think he also shares a bit if envy with his brother and he's also immensely proud, wanting to create a dynasty centered by himself. Anyways, lust he is.
Lastly, Malenia and Radahn. I would say both of them are 2 sides of the same coin. Still, I do think that the way the video cathegorized either of them is more or less correct. You see, wrath is not about being angry or powerful in war, it's more to do with being impulsive, and Malenia is the most impulsive character in the game. Also, I think that her releasing Scarlet Rot on Caelid... It had implications of pride, of her not wanting to lose, but the game tells you that she let go of her pride when she used it, as she never wanted to use it. She was just too impulsive to NOT do it. Also, concerning Radahn, if he was wrathful, he wouldn't wait for Malenia to put on her prosthesis when SHE ATTACKED his land, he'd much more likely be willing to cut her down before she was ready, so I'd say he was rather proud and patient.
So yeah, my final list would be:
Godrick: greed
Rennala: sloth
Radahn: pride
Morgott: envy
Rykard: gluttony
Mohg: lust
Malenia: wrath
Anyways, I'd love to see you try to do the same video, but this time on the 7 heavenly virtues. I'd love to see how that would look like.
Guess Miquella was diddy this whole time
7:39 I thought about lust being asigned to rennala, but I think it definitely belongs to Mogh his lust for power and Miquella is impossible to ignore
I don't think Marika and Radagon are the same person since the very beginning. I personally think that Radagon and Marika _fused_ after the shattering, or at least sometime around that, and that's why they could have children
Eh, duality seems to be a theme with many gods in Elden Ring. Dragonlord Placidusax's two remaining heads are in the internal files referred to as male and female respectively; Miquella and St. Trina were very likely one and the same individual; Morgott's projections go by "Margit"; Ranni goes by "Renna" when you first meet her. I see no reason to believe that Marika and Radagon haven't always been one and the same, but that they can split apart if they need to, and that they are separate enough to have conflicting opinions and perspectives on the world and their role in it. E.g., while Radagon is the loyal hound of the Golden Order, Marika is dissatisfied with it and wish to see it overthrown.
I'd call Godrick Greed seeing as he endlessly takes what isn't his, down to the castle; Rennala is Sloth, as Ranni had to step in to give her a second phase; Mohg is Lust for obvious reasons.
The others are pretty spot on. Morgott slowly became my favorite character from his tragedy of just wanting to be loved. It obviously shows through his twin brother as well.
mohg did NOT age well 😭🙏🙏
Wait, what if Godrick called out Malenia on her being a weirdo? I mean, their duel happened when she went for Radahn
@@florianchabaud8548no, Malenia and Radahn fight was at the end of the shattering war,Godrick fight was much earlier
@@Pr4epor How do you know they fought earlier? Kenneth Haight says that Godrick fled the capital among the women, *then* he lost to her.
@@florianchabaud8548 and how does this cancel what I said? After Godrick lost to Malenia at the beginning of the shattering, he hid in his castle, which then tried to storm Radan, after which he returned to Caelid and only then, at the very end of the war, fought with Malenia
It did, nothing changed
I can partially agree with 22:00. Even though it's the same person, I feel Phase Two is a better fit for Wrath personified while Phase One can be a simplified version of Pride.
Watching this after the dlc and mogh didn’t deserve this
I don't think Morgott envies his father, he envies us, because just like the Omen, the Tarnished were cast aside, but now it's being said that the next Elden Lord will be tarnished, not omen, both were cast out and despised, yet despite all his effort, all his sacrifice, it's us whom are destined to claim the throne
The fact that pride is in the center at 0:21 is perfection 🤌
0:58 just based off of who’s on screen
Malenia: Sloth (went to sleep💀 and let her brother get kidnapped, refuses to raise her 5 children has no notable magic skills, and realize mostly on the sword despite being the strongest boss, and quite possibly the second strongest demigod, she is overly reliant on her scarlet rot and developed no unique skills outside of swordplay. She is lazy as all hell.)
Morggot: pride (Serves the golden order, even after the shattering, calls the tarnished foul and has an obscene sense of pride to the point of even going against the greater will even though he’s for the greater will he can’t understand how a tarnisher can become a Lord what’s even crazier that he knows he’ll never be accepted and he still does all this shit)
Mohg: Lust (his actions against Miquella can’t be described as anything else bro clap cheeks nonstop)
Rykard: Greed (wants devour the gods in old lore before patch, had concubines literally is a serpent that wants to devour)
Godrick: Evny (Grafts the bodies of those he considers to be quality fighters it does not get more envious and taking somebody else’s talent literally)
Rennala: Gluttony “didn’t really do anything, but she had to of known that she could not have it all you cannot Ria Lucaria be the queen of the full moon and have three demigod children and no all the magic spells I think her desire for knowledge. And control not really power but control is kind of wood leads her to her sad state that she’s in now. She better off the way more than she could chew.”
Radahn: Wrath didn’t really commit any sense. It’s just his Bossfight is really aggressive. That’s the most I have to say about him he doesn’t do much of anything out of anger he’s a Chad The only problem is millennia cheated.
Really interesting video. One note, which is just more of a personal interpretation than anything else, but I’m of the belief that Malenia had little to no control over her blooming, in both her fights with Radahn and the Tarnished. I believe it’s the scarlet rot in her system activating a last resort.
Yeah, it activates automatically when she's close to death I think. She is the vessel of an Outer God, I doubt that God would just LET her die like that. It makes sense that the Rot is trying to keep thriving through Malenia, forcefully.
@@shreksmeatballs9435 More-so that it activates when she cannot win. It's strongly implied that Scarlet Rot corrodes an individual's mind if they do not have a strong sense of self to anchor themselves to, and Malenia has shaped her identity around being "the undefeated swordswoman" to such an extent that moments like Radahn being able to stalemate her, and the Tarnished being able to best her, shakes her so badly that the Scarlet Rot can break out... This would also explain why she keeps repeating "I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella": She's trying to reaffirm her sense of identity.
Well, yes she *cant* control it but she can summon it when she wants to.
She summoned the scarlet flower by killing herself on top of Radahn
@@LegendaryBrah She didn't kill herself on top of Radahn, though. She braced the tang of her sword against her shoulder to give herself enough power to push the blade into Radahn's body and hold him in place like that. And that's what their stalemate was: Radahn being unable to move because he was nailed in place by Malenia's sword, and Malenia being unable to move because then Radahn would be able to start moving again, too... And, all things considered, it's more likely that the Rot broke loose because Radahn was able to shake Malenia's sense of identity as "the undefeated swordswoman."
@@GrahamChapman trailer shows that she does in fact stabs herself before the scarlet flower blooms
When you fight her, the scarlet flower blooms only after dying and being revived.
It’s safe to assume that she killed herself on top of Radahn in a desperate attempt to end the fight.
Years ago, during a particular philosophy seminar which course name I can't quite remember, we were taught about some thematic connections being made across western (fictional) literature. Primarily, the focus was on vices and virtues, and how many stories, including shakespearean ones, have characters exemplify or be the engenderment of a certain vice or virtue.
We were then given the task of finding such similar thematic connections within any piece of modern literature. (I chose The Hunchback of the Notre Dame by Victor Hugo) I could actually find a lot of good examples.
What's both the tricky and fun bit is that in a way, you can apply many different vices and virtues to many different characters and come up with a reasonable explanation in a lot of cases for why this or that character exemplified the given vice or virtue. For instance; the hunchback represents loyalty and love, Frollo represents lust and wrath, the poet represents sloth and cowardice, Captain Phoebus represents pride, Frollo's little brother represents greed, Esmeralda represents innocence and beauty, Her mom represents faith and undying motherly love, Phoebus' wife-to-be represents envy, etc.... However, looking at things from a different perspective, you can also come to opposite conclusions. Phoebus is a coward in the end. Esmeralda's naïvité in the face of overwhelming evidence that she is being used by everybody around her leads her to her own death despite having a get out of jail free card at one point. The hunchback's unending loyalty to frollo and love for esmeralda leads to his own death, Esmeralda's mother, whose infinite devotion, faith and love for her child, leads her to leading a miserable life of an insane hermit, so she might as well represent madness, Frollo did not start out as a lustful, angry man, he was actually quite the devoted, virtuous and saintly man, but was plagued by shifting obsessions all his life, Esmeralda being his final one.
The poet (whose name escapes me), on the other hand, while being cowardly and slothful, is also the most likeable fellow in the story, not really having a bad bone in his body and ultimately just wanting to do what's right, ending up making the absolutely most selfish and wrong choice at the end that dooms Esmeralda, but we can feel for this choice, given the bad lot he was given in the story and how he ultimately had almost no choice throughout it.
This type of thing is a fun excercise and most importantly underlines a VITAL aspect of all storytelling: that of the flaws and virtues of mankind. It also shows how these things are connected with one another through the thread of a narrative or connected plotpoints, binding these characters together. It's also a fundamentally important thing to have in any story that is planned out to be a dramatic tragedy. (Something that unfortunately is missing from today's mass consumption hollywoodification of media. Good writers know when to have a bad ending, and unfortunately, the growing americanization of global culture means audiences are increasingly becoming less tolerant for it, preferring generic "the hero wins the girl in the end" stories instead. There is a reason Marvel is so huge, and there is a reason Marvel is so generic.)
In any case: a lot of GREAT stories have these underlying themes. The themes of the "seven deadly sins" are essentially very similar, boiled down to 7 traditionally christian thematic points. What's not so important is whether or not Fromsoft used the seven deadly sins as a direct reference or inspiration for their material in elden ring, but more so, it's important that fromsoft (miyazaki more specifically) understands what tragedy means, and how flaws in people and our empathy for their situation can improve upon a story. (Godrick the grafted might be a despicable person, but we might fully understand his evil when looking at it from his perspective and his past. He grew up in the shadow of infinite expactations, the mockery of his fellow people and within a violent, war-driven culture that at one point EXPECTED the lords to kill each other to claim the throne. That would make any person develop incredible insecurities, and for Godrick it's magnified just by the excessiveness of his situation. Godrick is fundamentally a tragic character, even if he still needs to go down.)
Lust should've been the mohglester himself
you might want to apologize
@@IAmAlpharius14 I have already apologised and grovelled at the feet of my goat mohg lord of periods for forgiveness
Interesting viewpoint on elden ring lore to match with the bosses. However if I may I'd like to share my view point on the subject as I have an interesting theory 😊...
Godrick the grafted - Greed (cuts limbs off and always obsessed with becoming powerful)
Morgot - Envy (hates radagon and melania and dreams big)
Melania - Sloth (sleeps beneath the erdtree, then wakes up to battle radahn)
Radagon - Wrath (shows no mercy with his sword and shows his true power)
Rikard - Gluttony (devours his foes and becomes a huge snake eating things he shouldn't)
Ranala - Lust (wishes to have what she has lost but struggles to cope as she wants a child)
Radahn - Pride (so proud of his land and his leadership).
After Judge ruled that my man Mogh is not guilty and he is in fact the victim, we demand a new video
8:42 not implied, a secret literally states "Radagon is Marika". Word for word, that is what it says, and the secret is important enough to take is simple fact.
Apologize to Mohg right now!
Greed does represent him. But those allegations that he kidnapped Miquella . . . he is innocent
I think an elden ring prequel mod or dlc would be cool, see what Caelid was like before the rot, maybe get to pick sides for the shattering, make alliances and stuff, idk I just think it would be cool
There's a piece of dialogue from melina that kinda hints at the fact that marika and radagon were once seperate beings and in order to be joined as one he'd have to become elden lord
I'm not sure when or at what points but I believe radagon WAS his own being until he left rennala then something happened and they became one
No definitive proof outside of that dialogue melina gives you in marikas bedchambers and idek how i got it but yk nice lore theory crafting
I've been trying to match each demigod to a "sin" in my first playthrough and for sure agree with this assessment. I think it's cool how in modern media / art the "sins" are not inherently bad things to be condemned; though they will be inevitably by many. In Malenia's case, her pride has kept her from deteriorating, for example. Radahn became wrathful after losing his mind, it's all he had. These gods are without purpose because everything is predetermined in the world except death, so they break out the old sinful behaviour to bring life to their meaningless existence in the Lands Between.
Really entertaining video, love seeing this kind of content
One more thing on the sloth of Godrick, if you consider all of the seven four of them are incapacitated in one way or another, leaving three. The omen brothers are working to there own goals, making an empire or serving the remnants of the golden order. But that leaves Godrick, who is the only shardbearer that could act, but never dose.