The man most worthy of the crown is the one who does not want it. Morgott thinks nothing of himself or his own glory. He sees his role as King of Leyndell not as a privilege but as a duty, and he takes it upon himself to bear its heavy weight on his shoulders forever. He dresses in rags and hides his identity from his people, who would despise and reject him if they knew who he was, even though he is the royal blood of Godfrey, and has clearly inherited his father's great strength and nobility. When he calls himself "last of all kings," it carries two meanings. As a cursed monster rejected by grace, he is the least of all those who held the throne before him. But as the Erdtree's eternal protector, he will be the final king standing in its defense at the end of the world.
Morgott's rule is pretty awful. It's objectively passionless, genocidal and self destructive. He spent his time waging war on anything that might've presented change in his Stockholm syndrome to the shattered Golden Order that only makes exception to himself among Omens. Morgott inheriting the Shattered age and kept it that way because the Golden Order culture makes him hate himself and any ambition he might've held. Radahn was cut down after successfully taming the heavens themselves to protect all lives in the land. Even in his rotten madness he's isolated himself to be killed and protects his equally infected but still loyal stead Leonard. Of all the demigods I believe only Radahn, Miquella, and Godwyn had genuine aims to revitalizing the world instead of abandoning it or furthering the depravity.
Morgott did want the crown, he ventured into the base of the erdtree and found the thorns blocking the way and jumped to the conclusion that the Elden ring had abandoned the lands between, he was the one who came up with the idea that the greater will doesn’t care about us anymore and nobody can become Elden lord but it turned out it was Radagon attempting to consolidate his power
It is obviously Godrick. He loves his people, even Trolls so much he makes them a part of his body. He even has his soldiers go look for Tarnished, so he can make them a part of himself too! Clearly, his love for his own subjects is unparalleled. He may not be the strongest, but his heart is big enough for all of the Lands Between.
It's unfortunate that we never got to see more of what kind of person Godwyn was, he was able to stop the dragons and even befriend them, and it seems like he was a great king of Leyndel and Stormveil. One theory I've heard is that with Ranni being chosen to replace Marika, maybe Godwyn was supposed to be her first Elden Lord, which is why killing her body and his soul were so important to subvert the Greater Will.
We definitely fought Godfrey as his strongest self. Marika sent Godfrey and his tarnished on a long march outside of the lands between in hope that they would grow stronger as they struggle without the aid of the golden grace. So when Godfrey returned to the lands between, he has both the strength he gathered as a tarnished and his guidance of grace. Radagon might be nothing but a husk of his former self, but we then fought the literally embodiment of the elden ring (I said great will originally oops) and won. Quite safe to say that we’re stronger than all of the previous lords
The Elden Beast had a big crack in the middle of its body. It’s literally wounded when you fought it. When you said Godfrey was at his strongest I think you forgot Godfrey could have been blessed by the golden order power when he was the commander of its army. He was probably at his strongest that he could be by himself not his strongest ever. This theory has the golden phantom of Godfrey he left behind to support it. Placidusax is even more clear, it lost 3/5 heads and half dead.
@@clorkmagnus About Elden Beast, it's the embodiment of the greater will, so it has a crack due to the elden ring being incomplete. But's still technically a god. Non of the other lord has a feat of beating a god. Godfrey is in his strongest state. Did you read the middle section of my comment? And if the golden Godfrey was supposed to be his power while he was serving the golden order, it's disappointing. Only Placi gets an excused for being in a weakened state. but he lost to Godfrey in the great war. And we defeated an even stronger Godfrey.
@@MaidenlessScrub man why’d you have to disrespect Godfrey like that? I’m not saying we weren’t fighting him at his strongest but I’m pretty sure the golden Godfrey is just Morgott’s projection of him since that seemed like his kinda thing. So nothing to be disappointed about there. Though another feat I’d add is us defeating Maliketh with the Rune of Death, who is pretty much the strongest non-god being in the Lands Between.
@@MaidenlessScrub that’s Morgott projection, I highly doubt he can even match Godfrey in power to project a full version of it. The golden order has mean to empowering their generals, like ton of buffs and incantation etc so I am pretty sure the strongest version of Godfrey could have been himself while commanding the golden army. So Elden Lord Godfrey may actually be stronger than Godfrey via other buffs and empowerments but weaker than himself when he fought you if he lost those powers. It made sense since Marika said she took away the order power and sent Godfrey away. It meant she stripped the golden order power from him and forced him to go train in the land Afar.
@@the5thletter623 Godfrey just keep chilling while we make progress, sacrifice Melina in order to open the path. then the guy just pop out of nowhere wanting another audience with the tree. "why disrespect him?" his time ended long ago, we owe nothing to him.
My favorite quote about General Radahn is this: That man is skateboarding a horse AND holding back the stars, all while killing everyone he comes into contact with. And he does it from the hospice. General Radahn is a god among chads, and this fight lives up to that and then some.
Not all of them are at their weakest, some are at their strongest. For instance Mohg, Morgott and Rykard are at their strongest during the game. Malenia is actually at her strongest too since she becomes the Rot goddess. Even Godfrey can he argued to be at his peak considering he is back from his training arc in the badlands.
Agreed. The first three you name literally become vessels for gods akin to Marika/Radagon. So the Tarnished did indeed best most of the demigods at their strongest. Hoarah Loux is also his peak and I think it isn't even a debate. Because if him dying before finding grace is him being nerfed then the Tarnished is also nerfed when we beat him, since the whole point of the intro was us being brought back from the brink. We even die at the beginning against the Grafted Scion or the fall as we arrive in the Lands Between to illustrate that point further.
Yea this idea people have that they all would have been stronger prior to the Shattering is weird. All of them also gained the power of the Elden Ring shards. Arguably the only people at their weakest when we fight them is Rennala or Radagon. Even then that's a stretch.
@@jhank0cean This too! Radahn could be argued as being weaker because he lost his mind but he still has a great rune. ALSO, while Rennala is definitely in a weakened state, Ranni does place a spell that makes us fight a version of Rennala closer to how she was at her peak. Illusion or not, we technically fought Rennala at her peak or fought what Ranni considers a powerful enough spell to protect her mother from all manner of danger.
@@oscarm4095 I mean. He also lost his legs so he has to rely on Leonard. He lost his mind sure, but he's also holding back the stars. Add that to already being scarlet rotted. Now that is how many nerfs?
@@jhank0cean Renalla and Radahn are definitely weakened. Rennala didn’t even put up a fight, she lost the will to live ever since Radagon left her. The rennala we fight in the 2nd phase is just a spell by Ranni, so yea Rennala is definitely at her weakest. Radahn on the other hand is weakened mentally more than anything, he’s just as strong physically but it’s hard to be a great general with nothing but bloodlust.
I think the part where Godfrey’s grace guiding him to you is just amazing. Imagine mourning your son after finding out he was the only one who truly stayed loyal to the Golden Order and defended the thrones till his dying breath, and then he fades away into a golden light leading to the one who killed him and all of your sons. The Greater Will is telling you that the final opponent is this tarnished who killed your family, burned the Erd Tree, and is now on his way to kill your ex wife and her husband to take the throne. Literally Jetstream Sam, fighting just because he must.
The more I think about it, the more similarities both Sam and Godfrey shared. Both are pure skill/strength, no cybernetics/divine power (sure, Sam had that prosthetic, but that was it) and both were driven by their lust for battle; it's the only thing they know for real. Both of them also seemed quite pleased after losing to you.
vyke deserved to be elden lord, the dude was the most accomplished tarnished easily aside our character. he was adored by the ancient dragons especially lansseax and was on a good pace til he somewhere along the line he turned around and went down to the 3 fingers. i wish they expanded upon what drove him there but i can only imagine it was never his intent to fall, his armor looks like he was grabbed from behind, as if he realized too late.
vyke loved lanseax"s human form and she was his maiden. when he approached the three fingers he forgot or did not put off his armor when the flame of frenzy touched him that mad him go mad as his armor burned into his flesh. i could be wrong but thats what i know.
@@kaziabuehsan4105Vyle fell in love with his own maiden, which his bloody spirit protects the body of that maiden. He was one of the First Tarnished. He was also a member of the Dragon Cult in Leyndell. He was adored the most by the leader of that cult Lannseax. But he was the closest to be Elden Lord. But when he went to Mountaintops, Shabriri manipulated him that for him to become Elden Lord he has to sacrifice his maiden. But if he inherited the Frenzied Flame, he won't have to. So he went to the sewers and inherited the Frenzied Flame which burned his armor. After that he was put into the Lord Contender's Evergaol as punishment.
Both Morgott and Radahn are mighty warriors, learned scholars and decent, honorable men at their core (at least compared to just about everyone else in this setting). But I'd have to go with Radahn on this one. Morgott is plagued by self-hatred. He hides his identity as the king of Leyndell both out of necessity and shame. And while he's well-aware that the Erdtree has closed itself to the world and abandoned it to its fate, he's so blindly devoted to the Golden Order that he can't even consider improving it. On paper, Morgott has the strength, the intellect and the temperament to rule, but all of his talents go to waste because he doesn't trust himself to upend the status-quo. Radahn's mindset is the exact opposite. He seems to seek constant improvement. He was beaten by Morgott, so he grew to gigantic proportions and became a master of war in all of its aspects. He became too large for his scrawny horse, so he learned gravity magic to keep riding him. And in contrast with Morgott's status as the "veiled monarch", it's telling that even reduced to a primal state, Radahn still inspires undying loyalty in his troops. Now, perhaps these traits alone don't make you a good ruler. But to overcome the specific challenges facing the Lands Between? Pre-rot Radahn appears to be the best candidate.
Radahn is strong but personally I think he’d make a terrible Elden Lord. He would just continue the fascist and xenophobic nature of the Golden Order and maintain the status quo. Same goes for Morgott.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Imagine wanting to be nice to aliens who want to invade your planet🤡🤡 Radahn for president for life, Xenophobia is justified on every front 'men first", and shitty alien have to Just die
I'll go with Miquella. If you read the description from Malenia's armor she describes him as the most fearsome empyrean of all, I hope we get to experience it 1st hand on the upcoming dlc. Not yo mention he created the haligtree faction for those who are rejected by the golden order( if I remember it correctly) Also, to cure her sister from her affliction.
I personally think Morgott. I’m not saying that the Omen deserve to be killed or deserve the abuse they get, but that’s just the way of The Lands Between because of the Golden Order. He reminds me of Paarthurnax though, being born evil and overcoming it through hard work. I think the greatest combination would be a fully developed Morgott as Elden Lord and Miquella as the King, allowing all to flourish. Morgott has, time and again, proven that he is the most effective protector of Leyndell. With him as Miquella’s protector and Malenia as his general (or his Blade, sorry for the ptsd), this would be a nearly unstoppable force.
@@Kat-Kobold no I know, but he was born “evil” in the eyes of the Golden Order and despite them looking down on him, he rose above and proved his loyalty :)
Amazing answer honestly, he protected the erdtree and properly ruled layndell by himself when no other demigods came to help, literally hated and cursed by his own people yet still loves and protects them, morgott would be the perfect elden lord
One issue, Morgott is too loyal to the golden order. He loves something that actively discriminated against his kind, almost to the point of Stockholm syndrome. Morgott is holding up a flawed and corrupt order because he believes that there’s no other way to rule TLB, his loyalty is respectable but misplaced
Just a side note, anyone else notice that whenever Radahn comes back as a comet it’s from that moon in the sky? Does he launch himself with gravity magic, land on the moon, and launch himself back off of it? I think that’d be cool 👀
I have to say that Morgott feels like the best choice for Eldin Lord, first off, he has experience governing since he ruled Lyndell for years, and Lyndell is one of the few places that could be considered an actual civilization. I love Radahn, and his story is great, but military leadership does not translate to real leadership, our years of Tyrants show it. Second of all, Morgott would aim to maintain a status quo, which in some ways is bad because it could cause an era of stagnation, but Radahn would likely resort to conquest just like Godfrey and if things went wrong it would be bad. Third of all, Morgott’s traits are better suited to leadership, he is quiet and philosophical, and probably the smartest of the demigods in everything but military tactics. He is subdued and would be careful and considerate in his rule. And finally, if we wish to decide this based on strength, Morgott wins, we see Morgott beat a young Radahn, and while Radahn was not at his strongest, neither is Morgott, he was Margit the fell back then, and was hiding his blade, as well as his true strength. I think another commenter put it best when they said “The man most worthy of a crown is the one who does not want it.” And after years of warmongering tyrants as Eldin Lord, Morgott is just what the lands between need. P.S. The scarlet rot also rules out Radahn immediately, but im assuming we are looking at before that. Congrats for finishing this essay of a coment.
Not all of them are at their weakest, some are at their strongest. For instance Mohg, Morgott and Rykard are at their strongest during the game. Malenia is actually at her strongest too since she becomes the Rot goddess. Even Godfrey can he argued to be at his peak considering he is back from his training arc in the badlands.
Godwyn he was kind and empathetic powerful yet fair and got the worst fate because of the selfishness of others we also see in the haligtree him embracing miquella and malenia the cursed demigods
@@evilmac9623 maybe?! maybe not we don’t know but he is the best choice also best demigod from what we know ranni made sure no one could have nice things and be happy except her
@@evilmac9623 you know seeing the soulcrushing arbitrary amount of deaths decent people die in the elden ring universe it would be refreshing to see happen to people who absolutely deserve it in the DLC since I think it could be connected to the spirit world or something like that considering the image we got would’t it be cool if we could fight spiritual beings like maybe the twinbitd shabriri ranni or alike it would be so cool
Wasn't he the favorite son amongst Marika offspring? He 100% would have been next in line for the title specially knowing how strong he was fighting literal dragons. Sad what happened to him.
I feel like i have to say this Other than Radahn allowing malenia to put her arm back if you watch carefully you'll notice the spears of cleanrot knights on his back which means he was injured heavily during that fight and he still had the upper hand in that battle
Miquella and Ranni are the ideal choices for Elden Lord, they actually saw how flawed and downright evil the Golden Order was and tried to change things. I’d go for Miquella, he was the only demigod we saw in the game that tried to improve things, even trying to help those that have been shunned and persecuted by the Golden Order.
Yeah miquella wins by a long shot since he tried to go against the golden order in a more peaceful way while Ranni did it by orchestrating the death of her step brother which was completely undeserved and led to the shattering
They can't be lords because they gotta be the lord's consort given their position. Which is technically a higher position but doesn't require strength. That's what ranni did when we became lord. And that's what mohg, uh. . .tried to do to miquella.
Morgott would actually be a terrible elden lord. Despite experiencing first hand how flawed the order was, he still fought to preserve it as it was without changing a single thing. This is more dangerous than people realize. Under his rule, none of the glaring issues would be resolved. Morgott was too closed minded for his and everyone elses good. Faithful to a fault.
@@debater452 when did i mention i was backing radahn? But since you brought it up, Radahn fought for the sellians, who's forefathers were banished underground and given a false sky by the golden order. So even if he fought to become elden lord it's undeniable that he didn't view the golden order through the same rose tinted glasses that morgott did. But if i were to back any demigod it would be miquella the unalloyed
@@debater452 the golden order was during Radagon's tenure as Elden Lord. The age of the Erdtree was during Godfrey's tenure. He was more enamored with Godfrey but that's aside from the point. He was inspired by their might and prowess on the battlefield but he definitely had his own thoughts when it came to how groups should be treated. This alone tells you he would bring change to the order over someone like Morgott. If he was already doing things that went against the orders wishes (helping the sellians) then there is nothing to insinuate that it would change when he ascended to seat of elden lord. If anything he'd have more power and influence to make even more change if he so desired. As to what that extra change would be, is treading into headcanon territory so I'd prefer to stay out of it
Miquella is the most deserving in my opinion. He garnered support from the people including the outsiders, loyal to the Golden Order but sees the flaws and tries to improve it for everyone, and literally bleeds for the sake of others. Even his sister who has a reputation for her skill refuses to become Elden Lord herself despite being qualified because she believes in him that much.
I think so too, but I also think Godwyn from what we've heard could befit the title, he was strong enough to beat fortisax but also kind enough to become it's bestie and I think that puts him in a good position
@@gorb688 He’s probably my second candidate. It’s shown that Miquella also had a lot of favoritism from his parents and there is text in the game saying that Marika holds the vision of the Ring with Loretta’s helmet saying Miquella is to be the recipient of the vision in version 1.0.
It's implied miquella brainwashed his followers atleast some of them. The bewitching branch which invokes an aspect of his power is used to brainwash enemies to serve you.
In this house we stan Goldmask and his introduction of Justice to fate (basically making Karma the ruling force of reality), that forever removed the possibility that a savage murderous brute could conquer his way to absolute power. Never again a Marika. Never again a Godfrey. Never again a Radagon, a Radahn, a Rykard or even a Dung Eater. Never again such a mound of carnage for the sake of power as the Tarnished created. An age where the good are rewarded and the wicked punished, no matter their station, strength or even divinity. No tyrants, no conquerors, no genocidal theocratic fascists. Truly, a utopia.
So you've set in stone a deterministic fate that, through force, outlaws deviation from your perfect order? Thats....just the golden order again. Everything the the golden order thought about themselves, you just repeated about goldmask and his "enlightenment". For all we know, he could be a puppet of an outer god.
@@ImaTroper You have no idea what determinism is. Determinism is the idea that your choices are just illusions and are pre-determined by the things that happen to you. My understanding of Goldmask's ending is that you STILL have choices, but those choices have consequences set by an impartial arbiter that no one can bribe, subvert or defeat. You can choose to do whatever you want, but if you choose to be cruel and brutal, you get what's coming to you.
@Shane S important detail - Goldmask understand that the imperfection of the Golden order lies in the Greater Will and so his main Idea to preserve what Golden order is but to sever connections not only with GW but with any Outer Gods. He wanted the Golden order without any influences and interventions of Outer Gods.
When i finished the game and started new game plus, i got to the point where you fight radahn and thought, goddamn if there was a side quest about one of radahn’s soldiers that hated malenia because of what she did to radahn and you help him to get to her then you can summon him so he can avenge his general would have been perfection
Radahn heavily reminds me Lorian, they both were brilliant soldiers and generals with a great personality. Lorian had no reason to be that loyal to his sick brother yet he decided to stay with him to the very end, and Radahn was the ultimate protector Caelid needed against threats like Malenia and Astel.
Vyke deserved it the most, he did everything for it, he got all the way there, and the only reason he failed was because he couldn't bring himself to kill his maiden, which only further proves his worthiness. he would not kill his own for his own gain. he was strong, smart, and passionate, and deserved it more than anyone else.
I personaly think that both Morgott and Radahn have different qualities for rulership. Radahn is a better general and more charismatic so he would be an Amaizing war time ruler. However based on everything that we know about him Radahn would struggle ruling during peace time. That is were Morgott comes in. Based on the fact that Leyndell is the most well of place during the game and also Morgott's inteligence it's pretty clear that he is quite the gifted admistrator and ruler especially during peace time when he dosen't have to focus on military maters. This is basicly a Godfrey Radagon situation were one is better during war and the other one is during peace
Morgott's intelligence is also clear from his extremely eloquent and learned manner of speech. In terms of pure fancy diction, he's probably the most erudite character. Renala and Maliketh also have good cases for that honor though.
@@elliottcovert3796tbh i wouldnt really call radahn a better generall morgott singlehandedly defended leyndell from an unknown amount of demigods and their armys while radahn got crippled by 1 radahn is definitely more ambitious but morgott is most definitely better at defending rather than attacking
@@eesamohammed2104tbf to Radahn, I think Morgott would suffer a similar fate against a scarlet aeonia, its just he never made Malenia desperate enough to use it. Also Id assume Radahn had a pretty successful career considering he is one of the "strongest of the shattering" according to a narrator. I say this as a total Morgott fan boy btw.
@@prins-henrik1530 im not sayin he isnt strong i am however saying morgott is better at defending which is backed up by the lore id say radahn in his prime and morgott were probably on parr with each other however morgott is much better at defending and tanking attacks than radahn is this is further backed up by his great rune radahn would be better at seiging and acting offensively another thing you seem to overlook is the fact morgott is an omen and if his great rune outright just boost your hp id argue he would have faired much better against malenias rot than radahn did though that is all speculation
I think Radhan is misread as being the strongest, in the same way, his insistence on riding his horse is seen as admirable. The way history presents him is a being unable to accept any change. He does everything in his power to avoid any change. And this is clearly important in a world that desperately needs change.
READ: Hear me out, but if he actually believed in himself more, Gideon. He was right about everything including all the demigods being POSs. He was also right about the player if the choice wasn’t Perfect Order. The player was gonna choose status quo, chaos, omen curse, zombies, or Ranni who was gonna abandon the messed up world because that what she does, she leaves people and her responsibilities behind (stop simping). Gideon is the all knowing, he knows what must be done. He was right about the Albanauric woman who lied to him about the medallion’s location, he war right about Marika, he was right about all the other Tarnished being unworthy. Gideon was technically right about everything except a tarnished killing a God. He just wasn’t strong enough to fight his own battles. He had to use brain over brawn.
Morgott is my choice, with Radahn being the 2nd best option of the shard bearers. The reason I think Morgott edges everyone out is because of his selfless devotion to a higher cause than himself, despite his family mistreating him. He didn’t start a perverse new order like his brother Mohg, he tried to maintain his family’s legacy. The speech he gives when you first approach the Erdtree is epic, he was my favorite character to face off against.
honestly if i had to pick i would've chosen miqulla as he believed in true equality for people like morgott and all the other people disregarded by the golden order imo Edit - well fuck
This was my thinking too but doesn't Miquella also reject Those Who Live in Death? They're the most persecuted group in the Lands Between by a country mile and Miquella didn't give them refuge in the Haligtree.
@@elliottcovert3796 I’m not sure the lore video I watched said he wanted to help those who were shunned away from the the golden order, maybe he was too preoccupied with curing malanias scarlet rot? but I’m not 100% sure
@@haydenlindley7313 Yeah he made the Haligtree a refuge for those persecuted by the Golden Order, like the Misbegotten and the Albinurics. But Those Who Live in Death were left out of the equation. Which is even more troubling because I think his beloved half-brother Godwyn the Golden was the first of Those Who Live in Death.
His brother godwyn lived in death and I can’t remember but I think he wanted to either 1. Kill off the empty souless zombie creating those who live in death 2. Give it a soul which would save him I think. I think it’s from miquellas eclipse.
Imagine if some how, some way there was a ending where you “healed” all the main fallen enemies. And they stood by your side as hero’s instead of villains of the Elden Lord. Would be sick.
That would be amazing, but its written by the author of game of thrones so its likely to never be... My personal biggest greivence with this is Melania, by far my favorite character. After the fight she had with rhadan, after being carried across most of the game by her closest freind to heal, you aproach her with the solution, though depressing, to her problems, and yet you must kill her.
Morgoat should be Elden Lord. The balls he has to carry on Leyndell, fight Tarnisheds by himself, repel 2 sieges standing in first line and beating armoured and trained young Radahn with a stick and cloak. The flame of ambition is strong in him. And now they removed it.
I actually thought it should be morgott despite being a radhan fan boy. But after the video i think it should be radahn for 1 reason. Rhadan would bring about actual change. Morgott is hopelessly attached to the golden order. Hes one with it despite his origin. He would stick to their questionable ideals and beliefs. I mean hell the omens were still enslaved. So were the misbegottens. He fought to keep things as they were. Just with him as the head. Admirable since he was just trying to preserve order and what his family stood for. But it prevented him from recognizing the flaws of the golden order
@@debater452 he's a fan of them as warriors and fighters. He wasnt sitting in his castle ranting about how politics and where the fire giants belong in the world. He was in there talking about godfrey's foot carrying more weight than the damn erdtree and his dad being Him. We didn't know too much about his standing on what the golden order does. But him being born of lucaria gives him a healthy outside perspective. We don't know if he agreed with what they did or not
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 He literally learned gravity magic so that he didn't have to get a new horse this isn't a guy who is open to change. Also Radahn literally stopped the stars for the Golden order and was against the Carian's
Of all the people in the lands between I believe no one should be Elden Lord but in my personal opinion Radahn should and would have become Elden Lord if everything didn't go down the wrong path for OUR heroes
I'd actually say Miquella. He and Morgott are the only outwardly benevolent and selfless Empyreans, and unlike Morgott who is unfortunately shunned due to his Omen status, Miquella on the other hand was basically worshipped as a God by both the people of Leyndale and the Lands Between as a whole. He planted the Haligtree and made it a safe haven for Albinaurics where they could have their own city, and his primary goal was seeking a cure for both Scarlet Rot and breaking the Erdtrees hold on souls. Only downside is he probably has extreme mind-control powers so he might be a total tyrant but everyones opinion of him is so high because he simply brainwashes them. I find it unlikely that he could use this power on his father Radagon however, who had an immensely high opinion of him as his "favored son." And we know Radagon is a diehard paladin archetype.
Goldmask, all the way. Instead of burning it all down, looking to replace the golden order or whatever poopyman wants, dude fixes the golden order through sheer math.
I don't know if anyone thought like this, but prowess and noblesse in battle are not synonyms to a great ruler. In my humble opinion, Morgott was always the one supposed to be the Elden Lord, but he wasn't daring enough to betray all he believed in and turn himself against the Greater Will to burn the thorns in the Erdtree. Morgott was already a king for a long, long time. His values were true, and he despised all other demigods, who fell to the desire of more power. Absolutely nothing says Radhan wasn't the same. After all, he waged war. But he IS a general, and we've been proven time and again that he was a good, fair and strong general. The thing is, a general is not necessarily a good administrator. I think both should be able to rule together, if the Greater Will didn't shut the world out to keep one Marika shut for eternal punishment. Morgott would be the perfect Elden Lord for the Golden Order, for he stood by their values until the very end, trying time and again to prevent us from becoming just like the other demigods and falling for power, ending up strong enough to subdue him and his beliefs. We came to prove him wrong and crush all his dreams and everything he once believed in and I feel so, so bad about it. His death was one of the most painful to me, along with Malenia, whose sole desire was to see her beloved twin once again, the one she failed to protect. Both of them had their dreams and beliefs crushed by the Tarnished and this is just sad. Morgott is already King. He should be the Lord also, had he the courage to stand against his own Will.
You shouldn't be a ruler just because of strength. Morgot committed many atrocities in the name of the Golden order, the same order that rejected him and all alike because they are omen and persecuted them. Morgot is THE definition of a CUCK. Someone like that should never be in a position of power
He didn't stang again anything. He accepted Golden orders tyranny and racism and was oppressing and persecuting people that the order deemed different, the same order that persecution him for being different, an omen. The Golden order was evil and anyone that supported it was also. I was glad when i finally killed Morgot. He could've turned out a better person if he just let the order go but he didn't so he needed to be killed
Morgott, despite experiencing the flaws of the Golden Order, acts through blind loyalty. We know little of Radahn's vision of the future, aside from the Redmane soldiers staving off the rot with fire. Goldmask isn't blinded by hate or zealotry, and instead seeks to perfect the order. This doesn't mean a lack of free will, it merely those who would abuse the Ring like Marika to become a tyrant. No longer would gods and demigods be able to force the world to fit their view. It seems he doesn't care for discrimination either, as he is shown to disagree with the hunting of Those Who Live in Death. He is a Golden Order Fundamentalist (which mixes faith and intelligence into one), and managed to predict that he would recieve grace, so he is quite intelligent. I would argue that Goldmask would be the best candidate if it weren't for the fact that he died. "All things can be conjoined"
No he's not lol. You shouldn't be a ruler just because of strength. Morgot committed many atrocities in the name of the Golden order, the same order that rejected him and all alike because they are omen and persecuted them. Morgot is THE definition of a CUCK. Someone like that should never be in a position of power
I had always thought that Radahn deserved to be an elden lord above all. Not only does he have some of the most INSANE feats, but he clearly was the strongest of all the demi-gods. The only one who came close to his strength at his prime WAS Malenia, but even she was forced to give in to the influence of the rot ONLY to end the battle in a stalemate. On top of all of this as mentioned in the video, Radahn clearly idolized Godfrey with the portrayal of Serosh on his armor. Radahn was the GOAT!
Me, because I rebuilt the golden order but better with gold masks rune. No more meddling of the outer gods or warring demigods; just someone who cares for all the people in their kingdom
So? You shouldn't be a ruler just because of strength. Morgot committed many atrocities in the name of the Golden order, the same order that rejected him and all alike because they are omen and persecuted them. Morgot is THE definition of a CUCK. Someone like that should never be in a position of power
@@guerreiroazul3230 He's a quarter-giant, most likely he was in a stage where he still had room to grow even larger. Also I think at that point he had his Great Rune already, since I doubt he'd be able to acquire it after having been bested by Morgott and driven away. Meaning his growth could have been simply a result of his heritage.
@@shad03void99 maybe, but all the demigods were already adults when the shattering began, and no other child of Radagon became that large, despite the fact they also inherited Radagon's red hair.
The thing is, that's seemingly not morgott fighting radahn. It's likely margit, who is much weaker, seeing as he's still just using his cane. Even if it is morgott, that means he's still holding himself back from using his sword, which is clearly immensely powerful.
It's there _no explanation_ as to why Morgot loses his omen features on his defeat and death? Even in the clip at 3:32, is easy to see that not only is his stature shrunk to normal proportions, all his horns on the right side of his face are gone. How does this impact the idea of the omen curse as viewed by the Dung Eater, that the curse is inheritable and soulbound?
Okay, time for an unpopular opinion: Morgott, in my view, is one giant fool. He worships so much and act as king to a capital and an order that hate him just for existing. His sense of duty is admirable, but he's a fool by deciding to waste it with those who wronged him for nothing.
A fool for being selfless and realizing that the greater good that transcends what he, himself should have is what makes him a fool? No, it's called grace, dignity, and wisdom.
I'm starting to believe that the extended grace was actually supposed to go to Godfrey the tarnished known as Hora Loux and the other tarnished just happened to be affected by a sliver of grace, that could explain why some tarnished one by one started to lose their grâce or the light that shows the way. It could also explain why Hora loux was shown by the grace to attack us. Godfrey was perhaps the one that the grave was calling to become Elden Lord once more.
redahn is still one of my favorite characters in the whole game his strength his care for his horse his soldiers. even when completely destroyed by the rot he still lives on and i would love if somehow maybe in a dlc we could fight him in his prime not afflicted by the rot. i think redahn should be lord if its based of strength yes morgott has a strong loyalty to it but if not affected by rot redahn would win in strength
GoldMask. Apart from Rani's ending, I think the perfect Ending would be to have GoldMask rule as Elden Lord over the purgatory that is The Lands Between and to have the Jars as his servants/followers. To help all those in the Lands between to find their way to the afterlife. Alexander and all the warrior souls within, rightfully only enter into the afterlife after falling to you in single combat. An Elden Ring Story ► The Warrior Within th-cam.com/video/ikUiOKTv-Y8/w-d-xo.html
I don’t think anyone has mentioned the legitimate state that the lands between are in, it’s in a warlord era to see who can finally fix the elden ring and finally become the elden lord, and honestly if none of the characters except some minor ones didn’t show any interest in you, you most likely would have become a soldier for either one of the warlords
Radahn is the definition of dont judge a book by his cover. Truly the only "god" that cared about his people. So beloved by his men they continued his campaign without him .
Godfrey would've probably been great if Marika didn't get horny. Also the Blind Swordsman was trusted with training malenia and seems pretty damn strong for taking down a outer god. Seeing as how Marika/Radagon got imprisoned by the GW, maybe he would make for the best elden lord.
@@kungfubrandon6886 The blind swordsman was Malenia's master. He ( or she? I have no idea honestly) thought her how to fight. Also the blind swordsman faced the outer god of rot and managed to defeat and seal him under Liurnia. That's why the lake of Rot is still there. The part where you see all the kindreds praying, before you find the scorpion dagger is where the outer god is sealed away.
I'm honestly still confused what the point is in becoming the Elden Lord. If it does just give you control over the Lands Between, why would a Tarnished even want that? Like, what does the Elden Ring even do?
Wealth, power, etc. Same reasons why anyone in our world ever wanted to be king. The Elden Ring seems to govern reality. For example, when the rune of death was removed the lands between became a (mostly) deathless wasteland. And depending on how we choose to mend the Ring, reality changes. Presumably a God + Elden Lord could modify the Elden Ring in any way they saw fit so long as it doesn't go against the Greater Will.
The Elden Ring contain the godly power given to Marika and her Demi gods offsprings from the Greater Will. The Demigods inherited one rune each while Marika and Radagon held the remained with the exception of Maliketh, his destines death was something that was took from another Empyrean. You took the great runes from the Demi gods once you defeat them so it’s quite possible your character gathered the runes power to grow stronger. To become the Elden Lord of the golden order mean you need to covert the GW power, even if you decided to start the new golden order with different doctrines. In other Elden Lord endings you covert different outer gods power. Anyway taking away the Elden Ring mean you possess godly power and rule the world or destroy the world at will (chaos, curse ending etc). So even if for good reasons, you probably want to take it instead of some lunatic like Mogh.
@@clorkmagnusI think the exact reason depends on the player. BUT the argument Melina makes against the frenzy flame seems to appeal to a noble motive: trying to make things better for everyone. Shabriri uses fame or power as a motive. By those you could get a general idea of what one could desire in being an Elden Lord.
The answer is morgot and it's not even close. He was not the king they deserved but he was the king they needed. He was cast out rejected by his own people and despised however the Elden ring itself recognized if anyone is worthy if anyone is deserving it's definitely him.
It feels like Radahn knew about the outer gods at least a little. Like Miquella, he knew they had influence over some in the Lands Between and by stopping the stars, he attempted to keep that influence out. Not sure if that makes sense but that was how I felt about it. Radhan was a force to be reckoned with.
Godfrey’s comment about a crown being won through strength is partially correct but it doesn’t matter if Rahdan or him aren’t in their primes when we defeat them. Ranni herself shows that strength itself isn’t what makes a lord when she planned an attack on Godwyn when he would most likely be in his prime. I think the fact we defeat Rahdan even when he’s mad and sickly with rot- is just the world saying to him “tough luck” and that doesn’t make our win any less legitimate against him
I think Miquella deserved it most because he wanted all to flourish. Including those who weren’t blessed by grace, those who live in death and those inflicted with scarlet rot. Miquella also planted the halig tree which served as an erdtree for those casted outside the lands between. Miquella was seen as a divine benevolent being and was loved by ALL and everyone. Had it not been for his affliction of permanent nascence he would have been perfect if not the best candite for the elden throne. Many being from the lands between awaiting hisreturn and him being kidnapped by mohg isn’t good either because I think his negative influence may cause him to go rogue or abandon his previous ideologies maybe?
The notion that the only thing that's required to be an Elden Lord is strength, is something that Godfrey tells us, because that's how HE became a lord. He was a warrior, who defeated all of his opposition and forced his rule onto others through sheer strength, so Marika took the opportunity to side with him, to protect her interests through strength and dominance. Once all her enemies were defeated, Godfrey was quickly stripped of his Lord status, as direct power was no longer necessary. That doesn't mean that there can't be other ways to become an Elden Lord, even if the game likes to suggest 1v1s are the best way to determine that, because we need our bossfights. I doubt Radagon became a lord just by a showcase of brute strength, it was his faith and devotion that allowed Marika to better stay in position of power once actual wars were no longer as common
Only a few of the bosses we fight are *supposedly* weaker than their prime, like Radahn, Radagon, Renalla and Placidusaxx. There's no reason to believe that people like Morgott, Mohg, Maliketh and others are weaker than their prime. Others, like Rykard, Malenia, Godfrey, Gideon, and Godrick are stronger than ever before. Rykard because of fusing with the serpant and getting stronger with time as he consumes more and more people; Malenia because in the fight she bloomed into godhood as a vassal of the Rot Goddess (as an empyrian turned into newborn god, I think she should be around the same level here as prime Marika); Godfrey because he finally got rid of Serosh, who was there to keep his pure, savage, unbridled power in check; Gideon because he tried to copy your whole flow, beat for beat, bar for bar, and Godrick because he's finally not a complete embarrassment after grafting a literal dragon onto himself. In the game, you kill at least 2 'gods' (defined in the game as a vassal of an outer god) and whatever the hell the Elden Beast is (embodiment of the Greater will yada yada). Suffice to say, your tarnished is by far the most powerful entity to ever grace the lands between.
Wait, wasn't Radahn sick with scarlet rot during our fight? And wouldn't he be nerfed if some of his powers are split between him constantly holding the stars in the heavens also keeping himself from crushing his horse? Malenia was holding back from her true powers she wasn't truly the scarlet rot goddess because she only blumed twice and her body is rotted she's blind aswell, plus radagon and the elden beast was crumbling away weren't they or am I wrong?
so radagon was crumbling away and elden beast was taking a nap. radahn was completely overrun with the rot when we fought him, and was definitely nerfed cause of the stars, but when malenia fought radahn, i would go on to guess that she wasn't blind, and only lost her eyes because she had no choice but to bloom against radahn because he was just that strong. basically pre rot radahn was yamamoto from bleach before he got old and lost his arm, but even after that he was still among the strongest
She definitely strong, haha I like the yamamoto reference but I feel like she wasn't peak strength at all even during her battle with radahn, she was holding back her true powers, she was using a certain technique to move around because of her rotted body, I feel like after her 3rd bloom as it was said the rot goddess would emerge but that did not happen, unless whatever that is supposed to come after would not be her anymore but something new? if I'm wrong let me know please.
@@ultimatesage478 first flower was on Radahn’s back, we dont know if the flower outside her boss room is her’s or someone else’s, its possible that the p2 flower is her 2nd flower and that she has yet to reach her full potential. Iiirc her name in p2 is goddess, but it doesn’t say «god slain» when we kill her. MIllicent and her sisters are also supposed to turn into some sort of scarlet valkyries when Malenia reach her full potential, and we havent seen that yet. Just gotta wait and see whats up in the dlc i guess.
"Tarnished, the dead who yet lived" We as Tarnished were put to the test and one after another slay them all. 2 things Godfrey was bestowed with Serosh a GOLDEN LION as his advisor and tool to keep Horace Lou put of picture. He became Tarnished when marika married that a*******ole Radagon, which is Radagon the one who start the persecution of the Tarnished, Radagon was the one that stops the colloseums fights for honor the Erdtree, Radagon was the one that SEALED the entrance to the Erdtree just to ensure that there will be no other elden lord after him. It was Radagon's actions that made things worse, don't forget that all npc's by what they say they questioned the choice of Radagon to be elden lord "how come A MERE CHAMPION BECAME ELDEN LORD" that phrase alone inclines the conclusion that Radagon HAS NO LEGITIMACY TO BE CALLED ELDEN LORD. And we know that when Radagon became Elden Lord the Golden Era or age of abbudance ENDED. AND ON TO THE EVENT THAT LEAD TO THE NIGHT OF BLACK KNIVES HOW "CONVINIETLY" THAT THE FIRST DEMIGOD TO DIE WAS GODWYN THE GOLDEN A DEMIGOD THA BEFRIENDED FORTISAX THE SAME WAY HIS FATHER DID WITH SEROSH LORD OF BEASTS. REMEMBER SHAROSH HAS A WPUND ON HIS FACE AND A CROWN ON HIS HEAD. IT WILL BE NO SURPRISE TO MR THAT THAT A******************OLE RADAGON TOLD RANNI TO PUT A TARGET TO GODWYN THE GOLDEN. BY SEALING THE ENTRANCE OF THE ERDTREE RADAGON WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO OTHER ELDEN LORD AFTER HIM. AND I WON'T BUY THAT MARIKA SHATTER THE ELDER RING, BECAUSE MARIKA AND RADAGON MAYBE ARE THE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN BUT BEFORE THE SHATTERING THEY WEREN'T MERGED AS ONE THAT CAME AFTER THE SHATERING SO RADAGON WAS THE ONE THAT SHATTERS THE RING. TO THOSE WHO DISSAGREE JUST PLAY THE GAME AGAIN AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE FORTIFIED MANOR (AKA FIRST EVER ROUND TABLE HOLD LOOK CLOSELY TO THE BRONZE AXE THAT IT'S HILT POINTS TO THE THRONE ROOM AND LOOK VERY CLOSELY AND LET YOUR OBSERVATION CATCH DETAILS YOU MIGHT MISSED. AH AND ONE LAST THING THERE IS A ITEM AT FERUM AZULA THAT I ITS DESCRIPTION WE READ "AT A TIME BEFORE THE ERDTREE THERE WAS A TIME THAT BEASTS WERE BESTOWED WITH INTELLIGENCE"
Ok. From the amount of lore i have consumed i have deduced this much. 1. Morgott: originally born from the golden lineage of godfrey.He had omen blood. He was shunned by his own family for this blood.. The golden order also shunned him.. Even after all this he hated himself and loved the golden order. After the shattering when the greater will needed a protector he crawled out of his prison to protect it. He was a vigilante.. He didn't want glory. He wanted to protect the order and its subject.. But he had a flaw. He had inferiority complex. He inherited the sense and skill of a true king from his father. But his self hatered held him back.. And the order still disnt accept him so he is ruled out as a candidate. 2. Godwyn: He was a great person. He loved the golden order. The proof of thst is when he protected lyndell from dragons.. Even after a clear victory he still opted for peace. Which makes him more loveable by the beings of the lands between. He also had good relationships with his siblings. We can see stautes of godwyn and the twin prodigies in the haligtree. He wanted to cure his siblings.. Even after all this he wasnt chosen as an emperyeon. 3: Mohg: Unlike his twin omen. Mohg loved his blood. He had an accord with an outer god and wanted to make a new dynasty . He took miquella away for this purpose. But perhaps all this was babbling of an idiot. 4. Rykard: He was originally with the order but later realized that it wasnt all loving and shunned races. He sought an ancient serpent god to become one with it and take all those who were shunned from grace within him. 5. General Radaghn: One of the the, if not , the most powerful demigod in the shattering war. He was embodiment of glory and greatness. Always learning new things. And in the words of Godfrey. Strength is necessary to become lord. A very strong candidate. 6.Malenia: chosen as an emperyeon to become the new god. She was great with the sword and never knew defeat. She literally housed the outer god of rot within herself. A very strong candidate as well. Although she believed he brother was a better fit. 7. Ranni: Also an emperyeon but wanted to make her own destiny. Hated the order and the fingers. A very suitable candidate 8. Miquella: Also an emperyeon. Called the best candidate for godhood by her sister malenia. He had the curse of nascency. He made a new tree which would house Evey being unlike the Order. The order allowed this cause then the order didnt had to worry about thise shunned. He truly loved the beings of the lands between. Even his family. Wanted to cure the rot in malenia and cure godwyns death. A great candidate. After this the two most fitting are Radahn and miquella
I REALLY REALLY dislike the idea that people seem to always think Radahn is a good person because he is a great warrior, like we for a fact KNOW he is not a good person and not driven by ideological believes or moral or ethical considerations during the shattering, he's the only demigod that fought with no goals in mind, he is JUST A WARRIOR... a great and honorable one that likes to fight sure, but ABSOLUTELY NOT A GOOD ELDEN LORD
Everyone always talks how "Radahn let Malenia put her prostethic on" but no one mentions Malenia, also allowing Radahn to pick up his swords and be battle ready, which is just as honorable
Me, Im the Elden lord
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If you’re Elden Lord how come I played the game and got told THAT I WAS ELDEN LORD!?
Liar.
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@@Thumb_ I am you and you are me. We are all John Doe.
The man most worthy of the crown is the one who does not want it.
Morgott thinks nothing of himself or his own glory. He sees his role as King of Leyndell not as a privilege but as a duty, and he takes it upon himself to bear its heavy weight on his shoulders forever. He dresses in rags and hides his identity from his people, who would despise and reject him if they knew who he was, even though he is the royal blood of Godfrey, and has clearly inherited his father's great strength and nobility.
When he calls himself "last of all kings," it carries two meanings. As a cursed monster rejected by grace, he is the least of all those who held the throne before him. But as the Erdtree's eternal protector, he will be the final king standing in its defense at the end of the world.
Ooh, I like this answer. Well stated
Morgott's rule is pretty awful. It's objectively passionless, genocidal and self destructive. He spent his time waging war on anything that might've presented change in his Stockholm syndrome to the shattered Golden Order that only makes exception to himself among Omens. Morgott inheriting the Shattered age and kept it that way because the Golden Order culture makes him hate himself and any ambition he might've held.
Radahn was cut down after successfully taming the heavens themselves to protect all lives in the land. Even in his rotten madness he's isolated himself to be killed and protects his equally infected but still loyal stead Leonard.
Of all the demigods I believe only Radahn, Miquella, and Godwyn had genuine aims to revitalizing the world instead of abandoning it or furthering the depravity.
Morgott did want the crown, he ventured into the base of the erdtree and found the thorns blocking the way and jumped to the conclusion that the Elden ring had abandoned the lands between, he was the one who came up with the idea that the greater will doesn’t care about us anymore and nobody can become Elden lord but it turned out it was Radagon attempting to consolidate his power
I ain’t reading… aaalll dat
@@TheMCScroll nobody asked you to bro 😂
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It is obviously Godrick. He loves his people, even Trolls so much he makes them a part of his body. He even has his soldiers go look for Tarnished, so he can make them a part of himself too! Clearly, his love for his own subjects is unparalleled. He may not be the strongest, but his heart is big enough for all of the Lands Between.
So he grafted more hearts! Just so he could have enough love for us all
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its because he stole the heart from a troll
Wrong: Rick, solider of God
Bruh 😂
It's unfortunate that we never got to see more of what kind of person Godwyn was, he was able to stop the dragons and even befriend them, and it seems like he was a great king of Leyndel and Stormveil.
One theory I've heard is that with Ranni being chosen to replace Marika, maybe Godwyn was supposed to be her first Elden Lord, which is why killing her body and his soul were so important to subvert the Greater Will.
L Ranni and black knife assassins
Considering how he was favored by Marika it's fair to say he was a pos like his mother.
We definitely fought Godfrey as his strongest self. Marika sent Godfrey and his tarnished on a long march outside of the lands between in hope that they would grow stronger as they struggle without the aid of the golden grace. So when Godfrey returned to the lands between, he has both the strength he gathered as a tarnished and his guidance of grace.
Radagon might be nothing but a husk of his former self, but we then fought the literally embodiment of the elden ring (I said great will originally oops) and won.
Quite safe to say that we’re stronger than all of the previous lords
The Elden Beast had a big crack in the middle of its body. It’s literally wounded when you fought it.
When you said Godfrey was at his strongest I think you forgot Godfrey could have been blessed by the golden order power when he was the commander of its army. He was probably at his strongest that he could be by himself not his strongest ever. This theory has the golden phantom of Godfrey he left behind to support it.
Placidusax is even more clear, it lost 3/5 heads and half dead.
@@clorkmagnus About Elden Beast, it's the embodiment of the greater will, so it has a crack due to the elden ring being incomplete. But's still technically a god. Non of the other lord has a feat of beating a god.
Godfrey is in his strongest state. Did you read the middle section of my comment? And if the golden Godfrey was supposed to be his power while he was serving the golden order, it's disappointing.
Only Placi gets an excused for being in a weakened state. but he lost to Godfrey in the great war. And we defeated an even stronger Godfrey.
@@MaidenlessScrub man why’d you have to disrespect Godfrey like that? I’m not saying we weren’t fighting him at his strongest but I’m pretty sure the golden Godfrey is just Morgott’s projection of him since that seemed like his kinda thing. So nothing to be disappointed about there. Though another feat I’d add is us defeating Maliketh with the Rune of Death, who is pretty much the strongest non-god being in the Lands Between.
@@MaidenlessScrub that’s Morgott projection, I highly doubt he can even match Godfrey in power to project a full version of it.
The golden order has mean to empowering their generals, like ton of buffs and incantation etc so I am pretty sure the strongest version of Godfrey could have been himself while commanding the golden army. So Elden Lord Godfrey may actually be stronger than Godfrey via other buffs and empowerments but weaker than himself when he fought you if he lost those powers.
It made sense since Marika said she took away the order power and sent Godfrey away. It meant she stripped the golden order power from him and forced him to go train in the land Afar.
@@the5thletter623 Godfrey just keep chilling while we make progress, sacrifice Melina in order to open the path. then the guy just pop out of nowhere wanting another audience with the tree. "why disrespect him?" his time ended long ago, we owe nothing to him.
My favorite quote about General Radahn is this: That man is skateboarding a horse AND holding back the stars, all while killing everyone he comes into contact with. And he does it from the hospice.
General Radahn is a god among chads, and this fight lives up to that and then some.
*** pgr ost starts playing **
ONE OF US ONE OF US
from the hopsice is insane
Radahn was defeated by morgott
Now all I’m thinking about is radhan kick flipping Leonard
Not all of them are at their weakest, some are at their strongest. For instance Mohg, Morgott and Rykard are at their strongest during the game. Malenia is actually at her strongest too since she becomes the Rot goddess. Even Godfrey can he argued to be at his peak considering he is back from his training arc in the badlands.
Agreed. The first three you name literally become vessels for gods akin to Marika/Radagon. So the Tarnished did indeed best most of the demigods at their strongest. Hoarah Loux is also his peak and I think it isn't even a debate. Because if him dying before finding grace is him being nerfed then the Tarnished is also nerfed when we beat him, since the whole point of the intro was us being brought back from the brink. We even die at the beginning against the Grafted Scion or the fall as we arrive in the Lands Between to illustrate that point further.
Yea this idea people have that they all would have been stronger prior to the Shattering is weird.
All of them also gained the power of the Elden Ring shards. Arguably the only people at their weakest when we fight them is Rennala or Radagon. Even then that's a stretch.
@@jhank0cean This too! Radahn could be argued as being weaker because he lost his mind but he still has a great rune.
ALSO, while Rennala is definitely in a weakened state, Ranni does place a spell that makes us fight a version of Rennala closer to how she was at her peak. Illusion or not, we technically fought Rennala at her peak or fought what Ranni considers a powerful enough spell to protect her mother from all manner of danger.
@@oscarm4095 I mean. He also lost his legs so he has to rely on Leonard.
He lost his mind sure, but he's also holding back the stars.
Add that to already being scarlet rotted.
Now that is how many nerfs?
@@jhank0cean Renalla and Radahn are definitely weakened. Rennala didn’t even put up a fight, she lost the will to live ever since Radagon left her. The rennala we fight in the 2nd phase is just a spell by Ranni, so yea Rennala is definitely at her weakest. Radahn on the other hand is weakened mentally more than anything, he’s just as strong physically but it’s hard to be a great general with nothing but bloodlust.
I think the part where Godfrey’s grace guiding him to you is just amazing. Imagine mourning your son after finding out he was the only one who truly stayed loyal to the Golden Order and defended the thrones till his dying breath, and then he fades away into a golden light leading to the one who killed him and all of your sons. The Greater Will is telling you that the final opponent is this tarnished who killed your family, burned the Erd Tree, and is now on his way to kill your ex wife and her husband to take the throne. Literally Jetstream Sam, fighting just because he must.
The more I think about it, the more similarities both Sam and Godfrey shared. Both are pure skill/strength, no cybernetics/divine power (sure, Sam had that prosthetic, but that was it) and both were driven by their lust for battle; it's the only thing they know for real. Both of them also seemed quite pleased after losing to you.
vyke deserved to be elden lord, the dude was the most accomplished tarnished easily aside our character. he was adored by the ancient dragons especially lansseax and was on a good pace til he somewhere along the line he turned around and went down to the 3 fingers. i wish they expanded upon what drove him there but i can only imagine it was never his intent to fall, his armor looks like he was grabbed from behind, as if he realized too late.
He was in love
He was cucked by Shabriri
vyke loved lanseax"s human form and she was his maiden. when he approached the three fingers he forgot or did not put off his armor when the flame of frenzy touched him that mad him go mad as his armor burned into his flesh. i could be wrong but thats what i know.
@@kaziabuehsan4105Vyle fell in love with his own maiden, which his bloody spirit protects the body of that maiden. He was one of the First Tarnished. He was also a member of the Dragon Cult in Leyndell. He was adored the most by the leader of that cult Lannseax. But he was the closest to be Elden Lord. But when he went to Mountaintops, Shabriri manipulated him that for him to become Elden Lord he has to sacrifice his maiden. But if he inherited the Frenzied Flame, he won't have to.
So he went to the sewers and inherited the Frenzied Flame which burned his armor. After that he was put into the Lord Contender's Evergaol as punishment.
Both Morgott and Radahn are mighty warriors, learned scholars and decent, honorable men at their core (at least compared to just about everyone else in this setting). But I'd have to go with Radahn on this one.
Morgott is plagued by self-hatred. He hides his identity as the king of Leyndell both out of necessity and shame. And while he's well-aware that the Erdtree has closed itself to the world and abandoned it to its fate, he's so blindly devoted to the Golden Order that he can't even consider improving it. On paper, Morgott has the strength, the intellect and the temperament to rule, but all of his talents go to waste because he doesn't trust himself to upend the status-quo.
Radahn's mindset is the exact opposite. He seems to seek constant improvement. He was beaten by Morgott, so he grew to gigantic proportions and became a master of war in all of its aspects. He became too large for his scrawny horse, so he learned gravity magic to keep riding him. And in contrast with Morgott's status as the "veiled monarch", it's telling that even reduced to a primal state, Radahn still inspires undying loyalty in his troops.
Now, perhaps these traits alone don't make you a good ruler. But to overcome the specific challenges facing the Lands Between? Pre-rot Radahn appears to be the best candidate.
agreed
Radahn is strong but personally I think he’d make a terrible Elden Lord. He would just continue the fascist and xenophobic nature of the Golden Order and maintain the status quo. Same goes for Morgott.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Perhaps, but except for Miquella, no one among the demigods appears to be concerned about the plight of non-humans.
@@samg.5165 Malenia also cared about non-humans, or at least cared because Miquella cared.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Imagine wanting to be nice to aliens who want to invade your planet🤡🤡
Radahn for president for life, Xenophobia is justified on every front 'men first", and shitty alien have to Just die
I'll go with Miquella. If you read the description from Malenia's armor she describes him as the most fearsome empyrean of all, I hope we get to experience it 1st hand on the upcoming dlc. Not yo mention he created the haligtree faction for those who are rejected by the golden order( if I remember it correctly) Also, to cure her sister from her affliction.
Now that I think about it, I wonder what would happen if Miquella and Morgott met.
I have a question, is Miquella a boy or a girl?
@@FartMoneyhe is a boy. But there is a pretty high chance he has an alter ego like Marika named St. Trina who is a girl.
@@Hellblazer1o2 Thank you!
Miquella was never a contender for lord rather he was for the god of the new age which is a superior role.
I personally think Morgott. I’m not saying that the Omen deserve to be killed or deserve the abuse they get, but that’s just the way of The Lands Between because of the Golden Order. He reminds me of Paarthurnax though, being born evil and overcoming it through hard work. I think the greatest combination would be a fully developed Morgott as Elden Lord and Miquella as the King, allowing all to flourish. Morgott has, time and again, proven that he is the most effective protector of Leyndell. With him as Miquella’s protector and Malenia as his general (or his Blade, sorry for the ptsd), this would be a nearly unstoppable force.
Morgott wasn't born evil, just cursed
@@Kat-Kobold no I know, but he was born “evil” in the eyes of the Golden Order and despite them looking down on him, he rose above and proved his loyalty :)
Amazing answer honestly, he protected the erdtree and properly ruled layndell by himself when no other demigods came to help, literally hated and cursed by his own people yet still loves and protects them, morgott would be the perfect elden lord
One issue, Morgott is too loyal to the golden order. He loves something that actively discriminated against his kind, almost to the point of Stockholm syndrome. Morgott is holding up a flawed and corrupt order because he believes that there’s no other way to rule TLB, his loyalty is respectable but misplaced
@@alwaysjordan7032 ohhhh
I thought you were calling him evil, thank you for clarifying
Just a side note, anyone else notice that whenever Radahn comes back as a comet it’s from that moon in the sky? Does he launch himself with gravity magic, land on the moon, and launch himself back off of it? I think that’d be cool 👀
I have to say that Morgott feels like the best choice for Eldin Lord, first off, he has experience governing since he ruled Lyndell for years, and Lyndell is one of the few places that could be considered an actual civilization. I love Radahn, and his story is great, but military leadership does not translate to real leadership, our years of Tyrants show it.
Second of all, Morgott would aim to maintain a status quo, which in some ways is bad because it could cause an era of stagnation, but Radahn would likely resort to conquest just like Godfrey and if things went wrong it would be bad.
Third of all, Morgott’s traits are better suited to leadership, he is quiet and philosophical, and probably the smartest of the demigods in everything but military tactics. He is subdued and would be careful and considerate in his rule.
And finally, if we wish to decide this based on strength, Morgott wins, we see Morgott beat a young Radahn, and while Radahn was not at his strongest, neither is Morgott, he was Margit the fell back then, and was hiding his blade, as well as his true strength.
I think another commenter put it best when they said “The man most worthy of a crown is the one who does not want it.” And after years of warmongering tyrants as Eldin Lord, Morgott is just what the lands between need.
P.S. The scarlet rot also rules out Radahn immediately, but im assuming we are looking at before that. Congrats for finishing this essay of a coment.
Main character for what's been mentioned, strength. We beat them all. Maybe at their weakest, but is the Tarnished at his/her peak of strength?
Not all of them are at their weakest, some are at their strongest. For instance Mohg, Morgott and Rykard are at their strongest during the game. Malenia is actually at her strongest too since she becomes the Rot goddess. Even Godfrey can he argued to be at his peak considering he is back from his training arc in the badlands.
Thank you for acknowledging our feats.
@@theArab__ and Godrick, I think (even though he’s weak asl)
We are never at our very peak until we get every stat to 99... then we shall be at our peak, and all shall fall to our feet.
The tarnished have been nerfed many times over but still prevail
Godwyn he was kind and empathetic powerful yet fair and got the worst fate because of the selfishness of others we also see in the haligtree him embracing miquella and malenia the cursed demigods
I have had the hunch since launch he was going to be the next Elden Lord, which is why he was killed.
@@evilmac9623 maybe?! maybe not we don’t know but he is the best choice also best demigod from what we know ranni made sure no one could have nice things and be happy except her
@@psychicmane7636 I know, were in that limbo state with speculation at 11. Hopefully the DLC brings us some answers.
@@evilmac9623 you know seeing the soulcrushing arbitrary amount of deaths decent people die in the elden ring universe it would be refreshing to see happen to people who absolutely deserve it in the DLC since I think it could be connected to the spirit world or something like that considering the image we got would’t it be cool if we could fight spiritual beings like maybe the twinbitd shabriri ranni or alike it would be so cool
Wasn't he the favorite son amongst Marika offspring? He 100% would have been next in line for the title specially knowing how strong he was fighting literal dragons. Sad what happened to him.
I feel like i have to say this
Other than Radahn allowing malenia to put her arm back if you watch carefully you'll notice the spears of cleanrot knights on his back which means he was injured heavily during that fight and he still had the upper hand in that battle
he actually has a bunch of arrows on his back, and in his fight he uses those arrows against you
@@liquid1514 they're spears
@@camarobro1897 yeah, that
Malenia was also injured prior to that fight too.
@@wildbard4112 how?
Rick, Soldier of God, is the most worthy candidate but he chooses not to pursue it as he wants others to have a chance.
He'd much rather Rickroll noobs into getting gud
It’s crazy how even when Radahn was completely mad and had checked out he still had the willpower to hold up the stars
"can’t fathom how Radahn was holding back something of that scale. He was a living legend, if ever I saw one."
Such a cool line from Blaidd
Miquella and Ranni are the ideal choices for Elden Lord, they actually saw how flawed and downright evil the Golden Order was and tried to change things. I’d go for Miquella, he was the only demigod we saw in the game that tried to improve things, even trying to help those that have been shunned and persecuted by the Golden Order.
Yeah miquella wins by a long shot since he tried to go against the golden order in a more peaceful way while Ranni did it by orchestrating the death of her step brother which was completely undeserved and led to the shattering
Bruh ranni is crazy dave
They can't be lords because they gotta be the lord's consort given their position. Which is technically a higher position but doesn't require strength. That's what ranni did when we became lord.
And that's what mohg, uh. . .tried to do to miquella.
@@pressf42069 Based opinion
Ranni can basically be blamed for the entire shattering, even if she’s and ideal choice she does not deserve the title
Morgott would actually be a terrible elden lord. Despite experiencing first hand how flawed the order was, he still fought to preserve it as it was without changing a single thing.
This is more dangerous than people realize. Under his rule, none of the glaring issues would be resolved. Morgott was too closed minded for his and everyone elses good. Faithful to a fault.
morgott is loyal but blinded,her would just continue the attrocities of the golden order
What makes you think Radahn would be any different
@@debater452 when did i mention i was backing radahn?
But since you brought it up, Radahn fought for the sellians, who's forefathers were banished underground and given a false sky by the golden order. So even if he fought to become elden lord it's undeniable that he didn't view the golden order through the same rose tinted glasses that morgott did.
But if i were to back any demigod it would be miquella the unalloyed
@@Moody_bluess He literally stopped the Stars for them and was a huge Godfrey and Radagon fan
@@debater452 the golden order was during Radagon's tenure as Elden Lord.
The age of the Erdtree was during Godfrey's tenure.
He was more enamored with Godfrey but that's aside from the point. He was inspired by their might and prowess on the battlefield but he definitely had his own thoughts when it came to how groups should be treated.
This alone tells you he would bring change to the order over someone like Morgott. If he was already doing things that went against the orders wishes (helping the sellians) then there is nothing to insinuate that it would change when he ascended to seat of elden lord. If anything he'd have more power and influence to make even more change if he so desired. As to what that extra change would be, is treading into headcanon territory so I'd prefer to stay out of it
Radan’s encounter was the most scariest and fearful and legendary of all the fights in this game. Hope he comes back in the dlc for a backstory
Wish granted
@@danielomitted1867 monkey paw curls
Miquella is the most deserving in my opinion. He garnered support from the people including the outsiders, loyal to the Golden Order but sees the flaws and tries to improve it for everyone, and literally bleeds for the sake of others. Even his sister who has a reputation for her skill refuses to become Elden Lord herself despite being qualified because she believes in him that much.
I think so too, but I also think Godwyn from what we've heard could befit the title, he was strong enough to beat fortisax but also kind enough to become it's bestie and I think that puts him in a good position
@@gorb688 He’s probably my second candidate. It’s shown that Miquella also had a lot of favoritism from his parents and there is text in the game saying that Marika holds the vision of the Ring with Loretta’s helmet saying Miquella is to be the recipient of the vision in version 1.0.
Saint Trina? Nah. Miquella's not it.
It's implied miquella brainwashed his followers atleast some of them. The bewitching branch which invokes an aspect of his power is used to brainwash enemies to serve you.
Truer words has not been spoken
I've never realized how sad, yet epic, Radahn's story is. Definitely one of my favorite all time bosses.
In this house we stan Goldmask and his introduction of Justice to fate (basically making Karma the ruling force of reality), that forever removed the possibility that a savage murderous brute could conquer his way to absolute power. Never again a Marika. Never again a Godfrey. Never again a Radagon, a Radahn, a Rykard or even a Dung Eater. Never again such a mound of carnage for the sake of power as the Tarnished created. An age where the good are rewarded and the wicked punished, no matter their station, strength or even divinity. No tyrants, no conquerors, no genocidal theocratic fascists. Truly, a utopia.
Hope that works out! 🤣
May Chaos take the world!
So you've set in stone a deterministic fate that, through force, outlaws deviation from your perfect order? Thats....just the golden order again. Everything the the golden order thought about themselves, you just repeated about goldmask and his "enlightenment". For all we know, he could be a puppet of an outer god.
@@ImaTroper You have no idea what determinism is. Determinism is the idea that your choices are just illusions and are pre-determined by the things that happen to you. My understanding of Goldmask's ending is that you STILL have choices, but those choices have consequences set by an impartial arbiter that no one can bribe, subvert or defeat. You can choose to do whatever you want, but if you choose to be cruel and brutal, you get what's coming to you.
@Shane S important detail - Goldmask understand that the imperfection of the Golden order lies in the Greater Will and so his main Idea to preserve what Golden order is but to sever connections not only with GW but with any Outer Gods. He wanted the Golden order without any influences and interventions of Outer Gods.
When i finished the game and started new game plus, i got to the point where you fight radahn and thought, goddamn if there was a side quest about one of radahn’s soldiers that hated malenia because of what she did to radahn and you help him to get to her then you can summon him so he can avenge his general would have been perfection
Which npc?
@@Bleepbleep7777 fully new character i mean
The Tarnished, because the developers gave all enemies and bosses sekiro speed while the Tarnished moves like he came out of chemo therapy
Radahn heavily reminds me Lorian, they both were brilliant soldiers and generals with a great personality. Lorian had no reason to be that loyal to his sick brother yet he decided to stay with him to the very end, and Radahn was the ultimate protector Caelid needed against threats like Malenia and Astel.
Vyke deserved it the most, he did everything for it, he got all the way there, and the only reason he failed was because he couldn't bring himself to kill his maiden, which only further proves his worthiness. he would not kill his own for his own gain. he was strong, smart, and passionate, and deserved it more than anyone else.
I personaly think that both Morgott and Radahn have different qualities for rulership. Radahn is a better general and more charismatic so he would be an Amaizing war time ruler. However based on everything that we know about him Radahn would struggle ruling during peace time. That is were Morgott comes in. Based on the fact that Leyndell is the most well of place during the game and also Morgott's inteligence it's pretty clear that he is quite the gifted admistrator and ruler especially during peace time when he dosen't have to focus on military maters. This is basicly a Godfrey Radagon situation were one is better during war and the other one is during peace
Morgott's intelligence is also clear from his extremely eloquent and learned manner of speech. In terms of pure fancy diction, he's probably the most erudite character. Renala and Maliketh also have good cases for that honor though.
@@elliottcovert3796tbh i wouldnt really call radahn a better generall morgott singlehandedly defended leyndell from an unknown amount of demigods and their armys while radahn got crippled by 1 radahn is definitely more ambitious but morgott is most definitely better at defending rather than attacking
@@eesamohammed2104tbf to Radahn, I think Morgott would suffer a similar fate against a scarlet aeonia, its just he never made Malenia desperate enough to use it.
Also Id assume Radahn had a pretty successful career considering he is one of the "strongest of the shattering" according to a narrator.
I say this as a total Morgott fan boy btw.
@@prins-henrik1530 im not sayin he isnt strong i am however saying morgott is better at defending which is backed up by the lore id say radahn in his prime and morgott were probably on parr with each other however morgott is much better at defending and tanking attacks than radahn is this is further backed up by his great rune radahn would be better at seiging and acting offensively another thing you seem to overlook is the fact morgott is an omen and if his great rune outright just boost your hp id argue he would have faired much better against malenias rot than radahn did though that is all speculation
there is nothing that says radahn would struggle during peace time, what made you think like that, radahn is not only brute he got mind too
Morgott deserved it most in my opinion. He defended that tree till his dying breath. And he was out there laying foolish ambitions to rest.
I think Radhan is misread as being the strongest, in the same way, his insistence on riding his horse is seen as admirable. The way history presents him is a being unable to accept any change. He does everything in his power to avoid any change. And this is clearly important in a world that desperately needs change.
Malenia was definitely stronger than he was
@@rexwest4532 defininetly not, she would be nothing without the rot.
@@rexwest4532 She literally had to nuke him to win.
@@racist4595That's like saying that Radahn is nothing without his gravity magic.
@@pualbaptiste8617She used her own power, the same way Radahn used his gravity magic.
READ: Hear me out, but if he actually believed in himself more, Gideon. He was right about everything including all the demigods being POSs. He was also right about the player if the choice wasn’t Perfect Order. The player was gonna choose status quo, chaos, omen curse, zombies, or Ranni who was gonna abandon the messed up world because that what she does, she leaves people and her responsibilities behind (stop simping). Gideon is the all knowing, he knows what must be done. He was right about the Albanauric woman who lied to him about the medallion’s location, he war right about Marika, he was right about all the other Tarnished being unworthy. Gideon was technically right about everything except a tarnished killing a God. He just wasn’t strong enough to fight his own battles. He had to use brain over brawn.
Morgott is my choice, with Radahn being the 2nd best option of the shard bearers. The reason I think Morgott edges everyone out is because of his selfless devotion to a higher cause than himself, despite his family mistreating him. He didn’t start a perverse new order like his brother Mohg, he tried to maintain his family’s legacy. The speech he gives when you first approach the Erdtree is epic, he was my favorite character to face off against.
Slave mentality. Under him, his own people and the Misbegotten remain enslaved and persecuted. The man is detestable.
Fr he tried to protect ertree but the tree didn't protect him... ( in a way he didn't get chosen )
honestly if i had to pick i would've chosen miqulla as he believed in true equality for people like morgott and all the other people disregarded by the golden order imo
Edit - well fuck
This was my thinking too but doesn't Miquella also reject Those Who Live in Death? They're the most persecuted group in the Lands Between by a country mile and Miquella didn't give them refuge in the Haligtree.
@@elliottcovert3796 I’m not sure the lore video I watched said he wanted to help those who were shunned away from the the golden order, maybe he was too preoccupied with curing malanias scarlet rot? but I’m not 100% sure
@@haydenlindley7313 Yeah he made the Haligtree a refuge for those persecuted by the Golden Order, like the Misbegotten and the Albinurics. But Those Who Live in Death were left out of the equation. Which is even more troubling because I think his beloved half-brother Godwyn the Golden was the first of Those Who Live in Death.
His brother godwyn lived in death and I can’t remember but I think he wanted to either
1. Kill off the empty souless zombie creating those who live in death
2. Give it a soul which would save him I think.
I think it’s from miquellas eclipse.
@@elliottcovert3796the people who live in death are plauge infected the erd tree because of godwyin body being buried in it roots
Imagine if some how, some way there was a ending where you “healed” all the main fallen enemies. And they stood by your side as hero’s instead of villains of the Elden Lord. Would be sick.
too happy of ending for a souls game
That would be amazing, but its written by the author of game of thrones so its likely to never be... My personal biggest greivence with this is Melania, by far my favorite character. After the fight she had with rhadan, after being carried across most of the game by her closest freind to heal, you aproach her with the solution, though depressing, to her problems, and yet you must kill her.
Obviously Godrick should be elden lord.
Rick, Soldier of God
@@patrickwilliams6600 no. Godrick should be it
Dear god
Actually my mimic tear deserves the crown@@michaelarias3310
Ew no
Morgoat should be Elden Lord.
The balls he has to carry on Leyndell, fight Tarnisheds by himself, repel 2 sieges standing in first line and beating armoured and trained young Radahn with a stick and cloak.
The flame of ambition is strong in him. And now they removed it.
I actually thought it should be morgott despite being a radhan fan boy. But after the video i think it should be radahn for 1 reason. Rhadan would bring about actual change. Morgott is hopelessly attached to the golden order. Hes one with it despite his origin. He would stick to their questionable ideals and beliefs. I mean hell the omens were still enslaved. So were the misbegottens. He fought to keep things as they were. Just with him as the head. Admirable since he was just trying to preserve order and what his family stood for. But it prevented him from recognizing the flaws of the golden order
What makes you think that Radahn would change anything especially, since he is such a massive Godfrey and Radagon fan
@@debater452 he's a fan of them as warriors and fighters. He wasnt sitting in his castle ranting about how politics and where the fire giants belong in the world. He was in there talking about godfrey's foot carrying more weight than the damn erdtree and his dad being Him. We didn't know too much about his standing on what the golden order does. But him being born of lucaria gives him a healthy outside perspective. We don't know if he agreed with what they did or not
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 He literally learned gravity magic so that he didn't have to get a new horse this isn't a guy who is open to change. Also Radahn literally stopped the stars for the Golden order and was against the Carian's
@@debater452loyalty and change are different
@@KD-wc4rs In this situation not really
Of all the people in the lands between I believe no one should be Elden Lord but in my personal opinion Radahn should and would have become Elden Lord if everything didn't go down the wrong path for OUR heroes
I'd actually say Miquella. He and Morgott are the only outwardly benevolent and selfless Empyreans, and unlike Morgott who is unfortunately shunned due to his Omen status, Miquella on the other hand was basically worshipped as a God by both the people of Leyndale and the Lands Between as a whole. He planted the Haligtree and made it a safe haven for Albinaurics where they could have their own city, and his primary goal was seeking a cure for both Scarlet Rot and breaking the Erdtrees hold on souls.
Only downside is he probably has extreme mind-control powers so he might be a total tyrant but everyones opinion of him is so high because he simply brainwashes them.
I find it unlikely that he could use this power on his father Radagon however, who had an immensely high opinion of him as his "favored son." And we know Radagon is a diehard paladin archetype.
Miquella wouldnt be elden lord though he would become the next marika
ooof
Goldmask, all the way. Instead of burning it all down, looking to replace the golden order or whatever poopyman wants, dude fixes the golden order through sheer math.
I would kill to at least read a very short write-up of an alternative ending, how Morgott becomes Elden Lord
Lets be real, that girl who beat Malenia using a dance pad deserves the title 😏
*let me solo her intensifies*
Boc, Boc should be Elden Lord.
I don't know if anyone thought like this, but prowess and noblesse in battle are not synonyms to a great ruler.
In my humble opinion, Morgott was always the one supposed to be the Elden Lord, but he wasn't daring enough to betray all he believed in and turn himself against the Greater Will to burn the thorns in the Erdtree. Morgott was already a king for a long, long time. His values were true, and he despised all other demigods, who fell to the desire of more power.
Absolutely nothing says Radhan wasn't the same. After all, he waged war. But he IS a general, and we've been proven time and again that he was a good, fair and strong general. The thing is, a general is not necessarily a good administrator. I think both should be able to rule together, if the Greater Will didn't shut the world out to keep one Marika shut for eternal punishment.
Morgott would be the perfect Elden Lord for the Golden Order, for he stood by their values until the very end, trying time and again to prevent us from becoming just like the other demigods and falling for power, ending up strong enough to subdue him and his beliefs. We came to prove him wrong and crush all his dreams and everything he once believed in and I feel so, so bad about it.
His death was one of the most painful to me, along with Malenia, whose sole desire was to see her beloved twin once again, the one she failed to protect. Both of them had their dreams and beliefs crushed by the Tarnished and this is just sad.
Morgott is already King. He should be the Lord also, had he the courage to stand against his own Will.
You shouldn't be a ruler just because of strength. Morgot committed many atrocities in the name of the Golden order, the same order that rejected him and all alike because they are omen and persecuted them. Morgot is THE definition of a CUCK. Someone like that should never be in a position of power
He didn't stang again anything. He accepted Golden orders tyranny and racism and was oppressing and persecuting people that the order deemed different, the same order that persecution him for being different, an omen. The Golden order was evil and anyone that supported it was also. I was glad when i finally killed Morgot. He could've turned out a better person if he just let the order go but he didn't so he needed to be killed
yo what the giga chad skin 0:28
Morgott, despite experiencing the flaws of the Golden Order, acts through blind loyalty. We know little of Radahn's vision of the future, aside from the Redmane soldiers staving off the rot with fire.
Goldmask isn't blinded by hate or zealotry, and instead seeks to perfect the order. This doesn't mean a lack of free will, it merely those who would abuse the Ring like Marika to become a tyrant. No longer would gods and demigods be able to force the world to fit their view. It seems he doesn't care for discrimination either, as he is shown to disagree with the hunting of Those Who Live in Death. He is a Golden Order Fundamentalist (which mixes faith and intelligence into one), and managed to predict that he would recieve grace, so he is quite intelligent. I would argue that Goldmask would be the best candidate if it weren't for the fact that he died.
"All things can be conjoined"
Morgott is a good choice.
No he's not lol. You shouldn't be a ruler just because of strength. Morgot committed many atrocities in the name of the Golden order, the same order that rejected him and all alike because they are omen and persecuted them. Morgot is THE definition of a CUCK. Someone like that should never be in a position of power
No, he’s the Uncle Ruckus of Elden Ring, he would continue the status quo and keep the Golden Order fascist and xenophobic.
Your video alone made me want to play Elden Ring. I huge feat for a person as myself as I dislike the souls games. For that, I thank you.
Morgott defended alone Leyndell and didnt allow the lust of power to replace his duty. He is the most righteous, deserving the title of Elden Lord
I had always thought that Radahn deserved to be an elden lord above all. Not only does he have some of the most INSANE feats, but he clearly was the strongest of all the demi-gods. The only one who came close to his strength at his prime WAS Malenia, but even she was forced to give in to the influence of the rot ONLY to end the battle in a stalemate. On top of all of this as mentioned in the video, Radahn clearly idolized Godfrey with the portrayal of Serosh on his armor. Radahn was the GOAT!
Me, because I rebuilt the golden order but better with gold masks rune. No more meddling of the outer gods or warring demigods; just someone who cares for all the people in their kingdom
If DLC gonna take place in past then I'm excited to see dragon lord in his prime
Morgott defeated Radahn for Leyndell before. It can be seen in the op sequence.
But Radahn is tiny in there, so either that is someone else, or Radahn only got his shard later and then became stronger.
@@guerreiroazul3230 Pretty sure he got buffed after that lost actually.
So? You shouldn't be a ruler just because of strength. Morgot committed many atrocities in the name of the Golden order, the same order that rejected him and all alike because they are omen and persecuted them. Morgot is THE definition of a CUCK. Someone like that should never be in a position of power
@@guerreiroazul3230 He's a quarter-giant, most likely he was in a stage where he still had room to grow even larger.
Also I think at that point he had his Great Rune already, since I doubt he'd be able to acquire it after having been bested by Morgott and driven away. Meaning his growth could have been simply a result of his heritage.
@@shad03void99 maybe, but all the demigods were already adults when the shattering began, and no other child of Radagon became that large, despite the fact they also inherited Radagon's red hair.
The thing is, that's seemingly not morgott fighting radahn. It's likely margit, who is much weaker, seeing as he's still just using his cane. Even if it is morgott, that means he's still holding himself back from using his sword, which is clearly immensely powerful.
Best thing about the DLC is that YOU ARE FIGHTING THE BOSSES AT THEIR STRONGEST AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO FREAKING HARD.
I’m glad this channel is picking up again. It was off one for a while but now we’re back
It's there _no explanation_ as to why Morgot loses his omen features on his defeat and death? Even in the clip at 3:32, is easy to see that not only is his stature shrunk to normal proportions, all his horns on the right side of his face are gone. How does this impact the idea of the omen curse as viewed by the Dung Eater, that the curse is inheritable and soulbound?
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There kinda is. His corrupted blood was sealed within his sword. Check the description for Morgott's Cursed Sword
He was accepted by the Erdtree after his death
Okay, time for an unpopular opinion:
Morgott, in my view, is one giant fool. He worships so much and act as king to a capital and an order that hate him just for existing. His sense of duty is admirable, but he's a fool by deciding to waste it with those who wronged him for nothing.
A fool for being selfless and realizing that the greater good that transcends what he, himself should have is what makes him a fool? No, it's called grace, dignity, and wisdom.
I think Morgott is the most deserving to become elden lord, but Radahn would be the best leader as elden lord
Placidusax was wounded in the fight against bayle the dread
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I'm starting to believe that the extended grace was actually supposed to go to Godfrey the tarnished known as Hora Loux and the other tarnished just happened to be affected by a sliver of grace, that could explain why some tarnished one by one started to lose their grâce or the light that shows the way. It could also explain why Hora loux was shown by the grace to attack us. Godfrey was perhaps the one that the grave was calling to become Elden Lord once more.
The scourge of the star's
Placidusax and godfrey DID NOT FIGHT one another. The storm lord is not Placidusax.
Miquella was the only demigod who deserved to be Elden Lord but, since the deciding factor is strength it's gotta be our tarnished.
Godwyn: *cracks neck* what if I didn't _let you_ come back?
“Lost three of his heads in his battle against Godfrey” oh my sweet summer child, how little in the past did you know😌
redahn is still one of my favorite characters in the whole game his strength his care for his horse his soldiers. even when completely destroyed by the rot he still lives on and i would love if somehow maybe in a dlc we could fight him in his prime not afflicted by the rot.
i think redahn should be lord if its based of strength yes morgott has a strong loyalty to it but if not affected by rot redahn would win in strength
GoldMask.
Apart from Rani's ending, I think the perfect Ending would be to have GoldMask rule as Elden Lord over the purgatory that is The Lands Between and to have the Jars as his servants/followers. To help all those in the Lands between to find their way to the afterlife.
Alexander and all the warrior souls within, rightfully only enter into the afterlife after falling to you in single combat.
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I don’t think anyone has mentioned the legitimate state that the lands between are in, it’s in a warlord era to see who can finally fix the elden ring and finally become the elden lord, and honestly if none of the characters except some minor ones didn’t show any interest in you, you most likely would have become a soldier for either one of the warlords
1:22 when I heard this I forgot the dlc didn’t come out yet
Radahn is the definition of dont judge a book by his cover. Truly the only "god" that cared about his people. So beloved by his men they continued his campaign without him .
Godfrey would've probably been great if Marika didn't get horny.
Also the Blind Swordsman was trusted with training malenia and seems pretty damn strong for taking down a outer god. Seeing as how Marika/Radagon got imprisoned by the GW, maybe he would make for the best elden lord.
Who's the blind swordsman?
@@kungfubrandon6886 The blind swordsman was Malenia's master. He ( or she? I have no idea honestly) thought her how to fight. Also the blind swordsman faced the outer god of rot and managed to defeat and seal him under Liurnia. That's why the lake of Rot is still there. The part where you see all the kindreds praying, before you find the scorpion dagger is where the outer god is sealed away.
@@alchemy5750 oh now I remember. He was strong damn😂. What tier would you put him in?
I'm honestly still confused what the point is in becoming the Elden Lord. If it does just give you control over the Lands Between, why would a Tarnished even want that? Like, what does the Elden Ring even do?
Wealth, power, etc. Same reasons why anyone in our world ever wanted to be king.
The Elden Ring seems to govern reality. For example, when the rune of death was removed the lands between became a (mostly) deathless wasteland. And depending on how we choose to mend the Ring, reality changes. Presumably a God + Elden Lord could modify the Elden Ring in any way they saw fit so long as it doesn't go against the Greater Will.
The Elden Ring contain the godly power given to Marika and her Demi gods offsprings from the Greater Will.
The Demigods inherited one rune each while Marika and Radagon held the remained with the exception of Maliketh, his destines death was something that was took from another Empyrean.
You took the great runes from the Demi gods once you defeat them so it’s quite possible your character gathered the runes power to grow stronger. To become the Elden Lord of the golden order mean you need to covert the GW power, even if you decided to start the new golden order with different doctrines.
In other Elden Lord endings you covert different outer gods power. Anyway taking away the Elden Ring mean you possess godly power and rule the world or destroy the world at will (chaos, curse ending etc). So even if for good reasons, you probably want to take it instead of some lunatic like Mogh.
@@clorkmagnusI think the exact reason depends on the player.
BUT the argument Melina makes against the frenzy flame seems to appeal to a noble motive: trying to make things better for everyone. Shabriri uses fame or power as a motive.
By those you could get a general idea of what one could desire in being an Elden Lord.
The answer is morgot and it's not even close. He was not the king they deserved but he was the king they needed. He was cast out rejected by his own people and despised however the Elden ring itself recognized if anyone is worthy if anyone is deserving it's definitely him.
Miquella
@@e2rqey Even he betrayed his brother.
@@FireFox64000000 how so
He just house slave
Actually Morgot had un-used vioce line when he says "Morgot, the Elden Lord"
It feels like Radahn knew about the outer gods at least a little. Like Miquella, he knew they had influence over some in the Lands Between and by stopping the stars, he attempted to keep that influence out. Not sure if that makes sense but that was how I felt about it. Radhan was a force to be reckoned with.
1:42 Does anyone know what armor set this is?
@@obi-wankenobi2630 looks like knight cavalry set with black hood
The dark knight set
The first encounter with radahn has to be the greatest moment in gaming for past recent years
Lol no. Maliketh, Malenia, Morgott, and Radagon are all objectively superior.
First time seeing this vid bro I never even noticed he allowed her to put her arm back on that shit is so cool
Pre-rot radahn would be a good elden lord imo.
Godfrey’s comment about a crown being won through strength is partially correct but it doesn’t matter if Rahdan or him aren’t in their primes when we defeat them. Ranni herself shows that strength itself isn’t what makes a lord when she planned an attack on Godwyn when he would most likely be in his prime. I think the fact we defeat Rahdan even when he’s mad and sickly with rot- is just the world saying to him “tough luck” and that doesn’t make our win any less legitimate against him
3:46 that's such an amazing detail! I never noticed it!
Goldmask deserved it
Honestly, I think Radhan winning the vote is just due to fans liking him more than him actually making a good Elden Lord
I don’t agree Radha was a man of honour and respect
I think Miquella deserved it most because he wanted all to flourish. Including those who weren’t blessed by grace, those who live in death and those inflicted with scarlet rot.
Miquella also planted the halig tree which served as an erdtree for those casted outside the lands between.
Miquella was seen as a divine benevolent being and was loved by ALL and everyone. Had it not been for his affliction of permanent nascence he would have been perfect if not the best candite for the elden throne.
Many being from the lands between awaiting hisreturn and him being kidnapped by mohg isn’t good either because I think his negative influence may cause him to go rogue or abandon his previous ideologies maybe?
The notion that the only thing that's required to be an Elden Lord is strength, is something that Godfrey tells us, because that's how HE became a lord. He was a warrior, who defeated all of his opposition and forced his rule onto others through sheer strength, so Marika took the opportunity to side with him, to protect her interests through strength and dominance. Once all her enemies were defeated, Godfrey was quickly stripped of his Lord status, as direct power was no longer necessary.
That doesn't mean that there can't be other ways to become an Elden Lord, even if the game likes to suggest 1v1s are the best way to determine that, because we need our bossfights. I doubt Radagon became a lord just by a showcase of brute strength, it was his faith and devotion that allowed Marika to better stay in position of power once actual wars were no longer as common
Only a few of the bosses we fight are *supposedly* weaker than their prime, like Radahn, Radagon, Renalla and Placidusaxx. There's no reason to believe that people like Morgott, Mohg, Maliketh and others are weaker than their prime. Others, like Rykard, Malenia, Godfrey, Gideon, and Godrick are stronger than ever before. Rykard because of fusing with the serpant and getting stronger with time as he consumes more and more people; Malenia because in the fight she bloomed into godhood as a vassal of the Rot Goddess (as an empyrian turned into newborn god, I think she should be around the same level here as prime Marika); Godfrey because he finally got rid of Serosh, who was there to keep his pure, savage, unbridled power in check; Gideon because he tried to copy your whole flow, beat for beat, bar for bar, and Godrick because he's finally not a complete embarrassment after grafting a literal dragon onto himself. In the game, you kill at least 2 'gods' (defined in the game as a vassal of an outer god) and whatever the hell the Elden Beast is (embodiment of the Greater will yada yada). Suffice to say, your tarnished is by far the most powerful entity to ever grace the lands between.
Wait, wasn't Radahn sick with scarlet rot during our fight? And wouldn't he be nerfed if some of his powers are split between him constantly holding the stars in the heavens also keeping himself from crushing his horse? Malenia was holding back from her true powers she wasn't truly the scarlet rot goddess because she only blumed twice and her body is rotted she's blind aswell, plus radagon and the elden beast was crumbling away weren't they or am I wrong?
so radagon was crumbling away and elden beast was taking a nap. radahn was completely overrun with the rot when we fought him, and was definitely nerfed cause of the stars, but when malenia fought radahn, i would go on to guess that she wasn't blind, and only lost her eyes because she had no choice but to bloom against radahn because he was just that strong. basically pre rot radahn was yamamoto from bleach before he got old and lost his arm, but even after that he was still among the strongest
She definitely strong, haha I like the yamamoto reference but I feel like she wasn't peak strength at all even during her battle with radahn, she was holding back her true powers, she was using a certain technique to move around because of her rotted body, I feel like after her 3rd bloom as it was said the rot goddess would emerge but that did not happen, unless whatever that is supposed to come after would not be her anymore but something new? if I'm wrong let me know please.
@@ultimatesage478 first flower was on Radahn’s back, we dont know if the flower outside her boss room is her’s or someone else’s, its possible that the p2 flower is her 2nd flower and that she has yet to reach her full potential. Iiirc her name in p2 is goddess, but it doesn’t say «god slain» when we kill her. MIllicent and her sisters are also supposed to turn into some sort of scarlet valkyries when Malenia reach her full potential, and we havent seen that yet. Just gotta wait and see whats up in the dlc i guess.
Well we shall see, she already bloomed twice maybe after killing her she I going to bloom again, the dlc is gonna be painful already I can tell
Don't forget Radahn was also literally nerfed after launch
None of them deserved to be Elden Lord, I thought that was the point of the story?
Radahn
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"Tarnished, the dead who yet lived"
We as Tarnished were put to the test and one after another slay them all. 2 things
Godfrey was bestowed with Serosh a GOLDEN LION as his advisor and tool to keep Horace Lou put of picture. He became Tarnished when marika married that a*******ole Radagon, which is Radagon the one who start the persecution of the Tarnished, Radagon was the one that stops the colloseums fights for honor the Erdtree, Radagon was the one that SEALED the entrance to the Erdtree just to ensure that there will be no other elden lord after him. It was Radagon's actions that made things worse, don't forget that all npc's by what they say they questioned the choice of Radagon to be elden lord "how come A MERE CHAMPION BECAME ELDEN LORD" that phrase alone inclines the conclusion that Radagon HAS NO LEGITIMACY TO BE CALLED ELDEN LORD. And we know that when Radagon became Elden Lord the Golden Era or age of abbudance ENDED.
AND ON TO THE EVENT THAT LEAD TO THE NIGHT OF BLACK KNIVES HOW "CONVINIETLY" THAT THE FIRST DEMIGOD TO DIE WAS GODWYN THE GOLDEN A DEMIGOD THA BEFRIENDED FORTISAX THE SAME WAY HIS FATHER DID WITH SEROSH LORD OF BEASTS. REMEMBER SHAROSH HAS A WPUND ON HIS FACE AND A CROWN ON HIS HEAD. IT WILL BE NO SURPRISE TO MR THAT THAT A******************OLE RADAGON TOLD RANNI TO PUT A TARGET TO GODWYN THE GOLDEN. BY SEALING THE ENTRANCE OF THE ERDTREE RADAGON WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO OTHER ELDEN LORD AFTER HIM. AND I WON'T BUY THAT MARIKA SHATTER THE ELDER RING, BECAUSE MARIKA AND RADAGON MAYBE ARE THE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN BUT BEFORE THE SHATTERING THEY WEREN'T MERGED AS ONE THAT CAME AFTER THE SHATERING SO RADAGON WAS THE ONE THAT SHATTERS THE RING.
TO THOSE WHO DISSAGREE JUST PLAY THE GAME AGAIN AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE FORTIFIED MANOR (AKA FIRST EVER ROUND TABLE HOLD LOOK CLOSELY TO THE BRONZE AXE THAT IT'S HILT POINTS TO THE THRONE ROOM AND LOOK VERY CLOSELY AND LET YOUR OBSERVATION CATCH DETAILS YOU MIGHT MISSED. AH AND ONE LAST THING THERE IS A ITEM AT FERUM AZULA THAT I ITS DESCRIPTION WE READ "AT A TIME BEFORE THE ERDTREE THERE WAS A TIME THAT BEASTS WERE BESTOWED WITH INTELLIGENCE"
Ok. From the amount of lore i have consumed i have deduced this much.
1. Morgott: originally born from the golden lineage of godfrey.He had omen blood. He was shunned by his own family for this blood.. The golden order also shunned him.. Even after all this he hated himself and loved the golden order. After the shattering when the greater will needed a protector he crawled out of his prison to protect it. He was a vigilante.. He didn't want glory. He wanted to protect the order and its subject.. But he had a flaw. He had inferiority complex. He inherited the sense and skill of a true king from his father. But his self hatered held him back.. And the order still disnt accept him so he is ruled out as a candidate.
2. Godwyn: He was a great person. He loved the golden order. The proof of thst is when he protected lyndell from dragons.. Even after a clear victory he still opted for peace. Which makes him more loveable by the beings of the lands between. He also had good relationships with his siblings. We can see stautes of godwyn and the twin prodigies in the haligtree. He wanted to cure his siblings.. Even after all this he wasnt chosen as an emperyeon.
3: Mohg: Unlike his twin omen. Mohg loved his blood. He had an accord with an outer god and wanted to make a new dynasty . He took miquella away for this purpose. But perhaps all this was babbling of an idiot.
4. Rykard: He was originally with the order but later realized that it wasnt all loving and shunned races. He sought an ancient serpent god to become one with it and take all those who were shunned from grace within him.
5. General Radaghn: One of the the, if not , the most powerful demigod in the shattering war. He was embodiment of glory and greatness. Always learning new things. And in the words of Godfrey. Strength is necessary to become lord. A very strong candidate.
6.Malenia: chosen as an emperyeon to become the new god. She was great with the sword and never knew defeat. She literally housed the outer god of rot within herself. A very strong candidate as well. Although she believed he brother was a better fit.
7. Ranni: Also an emperyeon but wanted to make her own destiny. Hated the order and the fingers. A very suitable candidate
8. Miquella: Also an emperyeon. Called the best candidate for godhood by her sister malenia. He had the curse of nascency. He made a new tree which would house Evey being unlike the Order. The order allowed this cause then the order didnt had to worry about thise shunned.
He truly loved the beings of the lands between. Even his family. Wanted to cure the rot in malenia and cure godwyns death. A great candidate.
After this the two most fitting are Radahn and miquella
I REALLY REALLY dislike the idea that people seem to always think Radahn is a good person because he is a great warrior, like we for a fact KNOW he is not a good person and not driven by ideological believes or moral or ethical considerations during the shattering, he's the only demigod that fought with no goals in mind, he is JUST A WARRIOR... a great and honorable one that likes to fight sure, but ABSOLUTELY NOT A GOOD ELDEN LORD
radahn
Always radahn
Strength? Us
But ruling goes beyond just strength
Everyone always talks how "Radahn let Malenia put her prostethic on" but no one mentions Malenia, also allowing Radahn to pick up his swords and be battle ready, which is just as honorable