very very very underrated topic, I have been spending a few hours every day now listening to your videos omg keep it up but also remake this video more indepth love it!
Taste seems like a good analogy. We have sweet, salt, bitter, sour & umami. Those are our taste emotions. But flavor is the combination, the interaction of those tastes. That’s where the nuance & individuality lives. As always Dr Grande, a great video.
At just before 13:00, I began realizing Dr. Grande's statement about the potential underlying reason for people making "rash" decisions based on emotions, and that's because I began trying to understand my own emotional decisions and bad decisions that I've made in the past.... I DO think that I behaved the way that I did in order to try to reach a level of "comfort" or "control" (as Dr. Grande points out!) in the quickest way possible. I absolutely did not consciously think that thought in the moment, but maybe that was the subconscious motivation for my actions. Although I didn't realize that deep emotional motivation, my actions were ABSOLUTELY based on a decision! Thank you, Dr. Grande!!!
I agree that deliberative decisions are often better than impulsive decisions driven by emotion. However, there are times when our brains can play point/counterpoint ad infinitum leaving one stuck in indecision.
I’m glad this question was asked as this is an interesting topic. The analogy of Bella was a good one. So pretty much all decisions aren’t based off emotion.
This video was a great review of emotions, feelings, and decision-making. For example, emotions are automatic, temporary, and basic. They are the same across all cultures. Feelings are more complex and are emotions that have been processed cognitively. There are more types of feelings that exist than emotions, and feelings include a mixture of emotions in one feeling. It was interesting to learn how anger and fear play a role in negative decision-making. I found the topic of negative urgency and impulsivity to be very interesting as well.
I really appreciate Dr. Grande's bringing out what it means to act out in ANGER. It is especially pertinent today as protestors become rioters and wreak more havoc than what they were protesting in the first place. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
I appreciate the definitions between emotions vs. feeling towards the beginning of the video. This allowed for the basis and introduction of the video that gave more of an understanding to the substance of the video.
If you can control the fear and anxiety, you should be able to control negative impulses. I have found that to be the case with me as someone with BPD. This can be achieved through a combination of things; medication, proper diagnoses, therapy, confidence building exercises (martial arts etc.), mindful activities (yoga, meditation etc.), education, communicating with those around you (people can't read your mind), a healthy diet and quality sleep. Too often people tend to bottle up their emotions rather than address them. Bottling emotions is like having a giant cyst on your body, at some point its going to explode.
I dunno, I'm getting better (i think) but i still lose control of myself from anger and frustration, even after putting logic in front of me sometimes i just have to act out or I feel as if I'm holding back a sneeze. I will say sleep is a big part of it, when I go insomniac I quickly end up with the patience of a...hmm..i'll say jack russel...they look impatient.
I have a "teenage" yellow labrador...and he digs... the whole yard rolls in mud...gets in the house.... feel my pain , ladies and gentlemen!🥺 On a very serious note, you find the best ways of explaining very tangled stuff . Mental health is far from black or white
Thank you, Dr Grande. For once I found this is one thing I do right 😊. My initial reaction in my head is a totally emotional and feeling based decision, in fact I was faced with this a couple of hours ago. My first inclination was towards a 'yes', but the longer I think about it, it would probably be a very poor decision. So yes, I’ll sit on it until it’s a full logical decision. I loved your analogy! Bella sounds so sweet and very normal. But you gave me a good laugh because I immediately thought 'if Dr Grande did that where I sit he’d get pecked hard'. We have a bird that thinks descending fingers mean a game of catch and peck. Bella sounds like a gentle alternative! 🥰
Great analogy Doctor. I once read a book called FEAR (the seventh sense) I forget what Psychologist wrote it. (I read it so many years ago.) But the psychologist talks about the over mind and how it records everything around you from the day you were born (in great detail) and fear is just things your over mind noticed that you didn’t notice consciously register. It’s interesting stuff for sure! He proves an example of how one of the patients had a fear of this friend stealing from her then later learned in therapy the fear was justified because she had seen the person steal something and it didn’t even register at the time.
Yes! MIcroseconds! Sporks in the road everywhere! Life's a test, be your best! The higher, the fewer! Yes, time is the opposite of what the decision-making emotional brain and nervous and autonomous systems want! If I know what I mean! Binging on ice cream and Dr. Grande is so fun!
I felt compelled to mention the poor audio quality (hiss) compared to your previous videos just in case you missed it. However, the content is excellent as usual. I don’t usually comment so I’ll take this opportunity thank you for all the help you’ve provided to me over the last two years. You’ve helped me understand my emotions and improve my relationships and happiness.
Instagram isn't my thing, but I'm going there to see pictures of Bella! Living with a Beagle means never having to clean food off the floor. 😛 He learned early on, completely unintentionally, that "oops, I dropped it!" means a tasty treat... He'll come running from anywhere when those words are spoken. Hmmmm, I'm gonna start using that phrase to remind myself to step back from the emotion and use my cognitives instead. Thanks for the great analogy, Dr. Grande! 🐾
This applies in international relations. Hasty, revenge based actions make everything worse. Enlightened self interest is a better basis for decisions.
This is funny because I'm reading a book called The Laws of Human Nature and the first chapter is about "mastering your emotional self" In page 40, the author uses an analogy of a horseman. The horse is the emotion and the rider is the deliberative thinking. He thought that we ought to "transform this powerful animal energy into something productive. The one without the other is useless."
I thought with the example of Bella hiding under your chair, you were going to say, “ab ūnō, disce omnēs,” or something along those lines. “ab ūnō, disce omnēs” is Latin for “From one example, learn all;” So, it was like, “Look. Look and learn from this.”
what do you think about mindfulness and meditation as ways to make better decisions? it has helped me immensely to not act on a thought or feeling simply because im feeling it or thinking it.
Like Dr. Grande, I am INTP, a creature fascinated by premises, conclusions and logic. But I learned to be suspicious of reason. It is only a tool for impulses of unknown origin. A clean and crystalline tool manipulated by dirty clay hands. That said, deliberate decisions are always the best from an objective point of view. But the life that is worth living happens elsewhere, in a much more obscure place ...
I think that there might be a conflict between emotion and logic in a decision when the decision might have serious long term consequences.Accepting an emotional decision for instant gratification might be destructive in the near future sometimes
Comment 62: 4552 views.. Love this video, 🌱🌴🍀🌳🌲💐💐💐💐🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸🌛 Emotions vs Feelings. Emotions as automatic and temporary. Six basic emotions universally... Far more feelings than emotions. Temporary and automatic part... Emotions cannot be cut out of life.... Multi poo... Stubborn little dog... Cognition...me Feeling ...Bella
I ALWAYS make a terrible decision if I make it based on any strong emotion, whether it is one that people consider to be "good" or not. There's nothing about intuition or whatever your emotions are telling you that can't be logically evaluated and factored into a decision but the idea is still to think rational about it. Why do you feel some way about something that would lead you to make a certain decision? Of course, I still sometimes make decisions based on emotion, even after evaluating those emotions and thinking about it, and even though I know that all of the worst decisions I've ever made were based on emotions. A funny story that might help with the dog illustration. My mom's now ex husband was once getting a jalapeño out of the refrigerator but he dropped it. My dog swooped it up extremely quickly and it's no wonder she followed him to the fridge because he dropped food all the time. Well she sure was surprised that she had swooped up a piece of food that spicy when she bit into it and we all laughed at the face she made.
Emotions and cognition are processed in two different parts of the brain, and there are evolutionary reasons for this. Emotion is processed much faster as a survival mechanism. If we "sense" danger, our emotional response is to fight or flight. If we were to take more time to analyze the danger cognitively, it could literally result in our demise. This is how we've survived as a species during times when we had to avoid predators. So even though now we don't have to worry about being attacked by predators these days, our brains still have these primitive survival instincts. Reacting quickly can ensure our survival, especially since cognition literally requires more brain power and therefore more time.
Excellent spoken about this interesting issue Dr. Grande. So.... your dog's name is Bella🐕. I first thought he is going to talk about some kind of a Pavlov experiment he did with Bella .... lol. Anyway I agree; trying to think about it first. Like we say; "Sleep one night over it". Or try to take some deep breaths first when you're getting to feel angry also helps. Have a nice day doc 😃
Hi Dr. Grande, what I find useful is to use the short "time before actual decision making" to ask myself - do I need to respond to this (am I the person to do this, or is someone else better suited), is now the right time to say/ do what is necessary, and then, what is the best way to formulate my response.
I feel that some kind of intuition is needed in order for cognitive-based decisions; don't you think that's why people with depression typically have difficulties with decisions? We need some kind of feeling to tell us that something is right. Or am i conflating the concept of emotional decision-making with other emotional mechanisms? Edit: i'm referring to the feelings of emptiness that occur in depressed people, not sadness.
Deliberation /may be/ the best bet in most situations *providing we have an infinite amount of time and energy at our disposal*. Now, about anger, yes, you may often find anger to be the starting point of criminal behaviour, but it's no reason to conclude that anger is mostly a negative option (this is actually a logical fallacy. What you have proven, is that thing A is common in group B, you did not prove by any stretch that the presence of thing A leads to be part of group B). I had my share of administrative problems in the course of my life; now, what strategy have been the most effective, to unstuck this type of situation? Reason with the guy behind the desk, or go angry and start yelling? I'll give you a moment to think. Yep. Anger. Almost every time. Hell, all the time I've got angry in a situation like this, it was /because of/ the frustration accumulated to try to use reason without the slightest success. On a more general note, it takes a certain amount of privilege to frame anger as almost always detrimental.
Contrary to what they say, showing anger SOLVES many problems. It even prevents many problems since the possible provocateurs are alert. The easiest way to develop a mental disorder is to prevent the manifestation of genuine anger. It exists for some reason. Generally, a good reason.
At 5:50... how do you do that not-even-break-a-smile thing!?! Its amazing!! I have a problem controlling my anger even after carefully deciding the decision I'm about to embark on is a bad one with undue risks for no reward other than release. I've been able to put more and more time between being triggered and acting out but over the summer on many occasions I just couldn't take it anymore. I did many things that were grounds for arrest, some (much) stupider than others. So what's my problem? Its not a momentary impulse but a drawn-out irresistible drive for some sense of revenge no matter how silly, over-the-top or logically unwarranted. Borderlines have revenge in our makeup, but still - how come I can't control it even when I know its ridiculous and self-defeating?! The example I gave in my channel was the building next door under construction. I could not resist breaking windows. I tried to resist. I knew it would make zero difference in the noise they were creating. I knew the cost would be negligible for a building with 300 units undergoing a million dollars renovations. And I knew if I was caught in the act I'd get pulled in and charged. Day after day I tried, and I did. I held back for weeks. But eventually I just ran outside grabbed a chair that was in the garbage, ripped a leg off and smashed the biggest picture window on the mother !@@%# building I could find. Right in the middle of the day with people around. I just didn't care anymore. I had to do it. AND.... for months after when I heard the noise it bothered me 1/10th of what it used to. In other words, what I did, as stupid as it was, worked for me. It was a pleasure looking at the broken window while it lasted in the pane. But even after it was fixed the memory is sweet. I just had to. Is there anything to say about this in terms of emotion and decision making? Or is it just 'borderline, keep working on yourself or get a shrink before you kill someone'?
There is nothing more satisfying than expressing pure anger. The consequences can be terrible, but nothing takes away the satisfaction of that moment. No, there is no regret. You may regret the consequences but the act itself is only a source of pure pleasure. "Nice" people don't know what they're talking about when they condemn anger. It is one of the basic emotions of the human being. Whoever does not feel anger is simply a hypocrite or worse, a creature that is permanently repressed and mutilated. Anger makes you feel alive. My strategy for dealing with uncontrollable anger during childhood was to immerse myself in literature. I experienced the murder of each character as a personal catharsis. No, I never identified with the victim. I wanted to be the aggressor. Without the recourse of fiction to satisfy my anger in a socially acceptable way, I would certainly have killed someone. It was what I really wanted. (by Google Translate)
Does Anxiety fall under fear? For example, someone with CPTSD who may feel that they lacked control over their environment or lacked the foresight that could have predicted the traumatic events. They now tend to obsess about decisions and feel like they need to prepare for or consider everything so that they have some measure of control over preventing future traumatic events. Is this fear?
Have you read How Emotions Are Made? It's a groundbreaking book that's been well-received among professional psychologists. It makes a convincing argument that the "six basic emotions" don't really exist in the objective sense that they're that purported to, and the research in support of them has been badly flawed.
I have a very special question, as it's about the topic that caused me mental illness. Therefore very important to me. During my studying of psychology I came across an interesting/scary topic. It's the question of what the self is and if it really exists. I came across different neuroscientists like sam harris or Thomas Metzinger who claim that the self is an illusion created by the brain. Now as far as I experienced it, if you claim to a psychiatric doctor that you think you (your self) doesn't exist it's a kind of psychotic illness. Therefore I thought doctors must have a theory of what the self is and how it interacts with the body. But no specialist I went to was able to explain this to me. Is there no common theory or explaination in modern psychiatry or psychology? Would be amazing to get an explaination.
Very interesting question. I hope Dr. Grande is willing to help you out. I also would like to hear him talk about this topic. Maybe he might see this as a challenge....
Hi there. Maybe this article about your question might help you some. I don´t know if you have probably already been reading it, but me myself I think this is a pretty good article written by Steve Taylor, PhD. He is a senior lecturer in psychology at Leeds Beckett University. Below here is the link. www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/201311/does-your-self-exist
"BELLLLLL-AAAAAH!!!!" (a la Marlon Brando).... I don't usually have a Malti-poo hiding under my chair, but if I were to have one, her name would definitely be BELLLLL-AAAAH!!
You’re assuming we have free will. You can’t be a determinist and believe one is free to choose. Also, I believe all decisions are based on emotions. No matter how long we deliberate, our decision will be based on wants, desires or values (the greater good).
There is no rational decision. The very act of deciding is a movement of unconscious origin. The reason always comes later to explain to the conscience what had already been decided from other ways. There are several experiments that demonstrate this simple truth.
I've had some thoughts on the subject, and I'm going to randomly share them without any credentials to speak of, be warned. So I've been thinking, cognition without motivators seem pointless, correct? Like, the thinking and reasoning needs to have some goal, and the goal seems to be a positive situation, positive being relative to your internal motivators. Emotions are, I'd guess, among these base motivators. So cognition would inevitably end up trying to please future emotions rather than present emotions. Which means cognition without emotion or some other base motivator in mind would not make sense. Does this make sense? It's 2 AM, hah. :P
Which type of decision-making (Emotional decision_making or rationl-decsion making) can be more difficult to embed in a robot (or artificial intelligence)? Why?
Yes all decisions are based upon emotions. We've known that since Dale Carnegie wrote How to Win Friends and Influence People. We've known that since Mark Twain said you can't get a man to decide against something when their salary depends upon it close to two centuries ago. And I'm sure there are examples before that. And we know from people who have damaged amygdala, that without emotional weighting for each fact, we are incapable of rational decisions. It's also the reason that one person can conclude that A + B is less than C well another person can conclude that A + B is greater than C. Pretty much only math is purely rational.
Mostly id agree. However , id also question. For instance , consider the way that economical problems were addressed by printing out more and more funny money. They'd used rational thought?. And yet i don't see that its worked out so well as planned. And i wonder if people might have relied more on their gut feeling , could things have turned out slightly better than they have. Or pollution. The rational thought might have been minded to think that firing up population growth, what could then serve to help create far more wealth. Might seem wise. But was it really though?. What if a time will come when population growth may outgrow ability to provide food. And if associated pollution level might also serve to create situation what cause extinction of certain species . Surely, anyone who'd relied a little more on their gut feeling, enough, might have EASILY allowed themselves to foresee this?
Look up Prof Jennifer Lerner of Harvard... She is advisor to Admiral Robinson USN.. The 'Decision making Laboratory'.. When you have no time... You better have good habits.. 'NO' is the safest word in the English Language...
Sure. Prejudices, for example, are a form of unconscious reasoning. The impulse is automatic and irrational, but if asked, the person who displays a prejudice is able to bring up a long list of arguments to explain his behavior. And they are usually arguments with a personal, historical and / or social basis. They are never free as some say. Placed under the correct perspective, prejudices form the very basis of life in society. If we had to think consciously about each single act of daily life, society would simply not exist. Few people can see to what extent human actions are fundamentally determined by social habits. Or, in other words, "simple" prejudices
I would love to hear your thoughts about the concepts and research in Lisadman Barrett's book, How Emotions Are Made. Just curious if you agree or disagree!
kungfujoe I don't have much fear and my self-image is pretty good. I don't have any self-hatred if that’s what you mean. It’s worth noting that I’m also diagnosed ASPD. How bout you?
You are biased towards the cognitive approach. You give exaggerated emotions as an example of why emotional decision-making is worse than cognitive, and this is cherry-picking. One can highlight situations where cognitive processing is distorted as an argument against cognitive decision-making. Someone with distorted cognitions and delusions can make wrong decisions. Cognitive processing is not enough to make good decisions - we need the critical thinking tool, which is a relatively good method to find different patterns in reality (considering that this is our best epistemological option if we take ontological naturalism as a valid position). The same goes for emotions. Emotions and instincts have the same evolutionary function as cognitions. When they are not pathological, they can be a good indicator. Combined with critical thinking, our feelings (conscious experience of emotions) can serve as a good heuristic for decision-making. But critical thinking helps us to understand the factual situation. Which decision is best is a matter of ethics. Cognitive processing should include a particular school of ethics (utilitarianism/consequentialism, deontology, etc.) as a rule that guides our behavior. All ethical schools are subject to many philosophical problems, and this is where the limitation of verbal games comes into play when it comes to making the best decision. We are evolved to make decisions that involve a variety of affective and thought processes. We process a lot of information unconsciously, and we cannot do that on a conscious level because it is not practical (the theory of the adaptive unconscious). Part of our unconscious process is cognitive, and we call it intuition - but that's going to complicate things. When we have sex, we don't base our decisions solely on cognitive processing, but we do it "intuitively" - something which includes empathy and other urges/feelings/instincts/qualia. When we play an instrument, dance, communicate with people, etc., we do it as the result of feelings. Artistic creation involves various automated cognitive processes, as well as emotional and aesthetic experiences. Furthermore, aesthetic experiences are an interesting psychological construct that includes a series of processes (auditory, olfactory, visual, emotional, cognitive, etc.). Communicating with people involves a large number of mental processes that operate in sync and dictate the dynamics of communication. Feelings always contribute to our communication, and cognitive decision-making vs. emotional decision-making is a false dilemma that might be a simplification. Artistic creation involves various automated cognitive processes, as well as emotional and aesthetic experiences. Furthermore, aesthetic experiences are an interesting psychological construct that includes various mental processes (auditory, olfactory, visual, emotional, cognitive, etc.). If you are upset and talk to someone, even if you are trying to make certain decisions on a cognitive level about how you will communicate, your nonverbal communication will drive the dynamics of your discussion to some extend (considering the illusion of transparency). If you are cheerful and make the same decisions at the cognitive level, the dynamics of your communication will be different. The idea is not to exclude emotions from the decision process but to take functional emotions into account while eliminating dysfunctional emotions. For this reason, post-rationalism might be more reasonable than rationalism. I am aware of the Affect Heuristic, but I would say that this is a very case-specific issue and depends on personal ethics, emotional intelligence, and other factors. If I see an injured dog on the street and I feel sorry and empathetic, should I decide to help him as a result of those feelings? Yes. But if I am late for work (and my boss will fire me if I am late), I might ignore my urge to help the dog. If I feel overwhelmed with happiness and a need to hug my girlfriend, will I decide to hug her based on those emotions/feelings? Yes. If I feel like I no longer love my girlfriend, will it affect my decision to leave her? Yes. I might decide to hang out with another girl depending on how I feel (romantic attraction). Let's say I go on a date with her and I have no proof of anything in particular, but I intuitively feel red flags. Am I supposed to listen to my gut feeling? My intuition also includes numerous unconscious cognitive processes (knowledge). We unconsciously handle a lot of non-verbal signals and just because I can't verbalize my intuitive hunch, that doesn't necessarily mean I should ignore it. I will use critical thinking that considers my intuition, feelings, psychological knowledge, and other accurate evidence when making a decision. Sometimes I don't take my feelings into account. If I tend to be paranoid, my "intuition" might be the result of my distorted perception - so I would have to rely on critical thinking and not draw conclusions if I don't have any evidence. If I'm angry and hurt because someone teased me, it's wiser not to act on impulse. However, this is an ethical discussion, and our disposition to think ethically is the result of our evolution. You're using utilitarianism as justification for certain actions. If anger leads to suffering, making decisions while we are angry is not right because we could hurt somebody/ ourselves. This is not a scientific argument (how things are), but an ethical argument (how things ought to be). If Genghis Khan murdered people when he was angry, and this gave him an evolutionary advantage, his decisions helped him, his tribe, and his descendants. Why is it bad to hurt other people if it increases our chances of survival (this also benefits the justification of some features of the dark triad with the arguments of ethical egoism)? The discussion raises a variety of ethical issues and is very interesting. However, it is important to note that "it is better to make decisions X than U" has an ethical dimension, not just a scientific one.
very very very underrated topic, I have been spending a few hours every day now listening to your videos omg keep it up but also remake this video more indepth love it!
I always always let the dust settle before an important decision. I know that if I think carefully I'll make the right choices.
Better still have good habits
Therefore you will default to a safe action
When you are not thinking..
For whatever reason...
Lucky you.
Wise. 👍🤗
Taste seems like a good analogy. We have sweet, salt, bitter, sour & umami. Those are our taste emotions. But flavor is the combination, the interaction of those tastes. That’s where the nuance & individuality lives.
As always Dr Grande, a great video.
That is a great analogy! Thank you so much -
At just before 13:00, I began realizing Dr. Grande's statement about the potential underlying reason for people making "rash" decisions based on emotions, and that's because I began trying to understand my own emotional decisions and bad decisions that I've made in the past.... I DO think that I behaved the way that I did in order to try to reach a level of "comfort" or "control" (as Dr. Grande points out!) in the quickest way possible. I absolutely did not consciously think that thought in the moment, but maybe that was the subconscious motivation for my actions. Although I didn't realize that deep emotional motivation, my actions were ABSOLUTELY based on a decision! Thank you, Dr. Grande!!!
I agree that deliberative decisions are often better than impulsive decisions driven by emotion. However, there are times when our brains can play point/counterpoint ad infinitum leaving one stuck in indecision.
Buridan's donkey has no emotions, just hunger and thirst
I wish to be less sensitive and less emotionally driven, as my life would be much better as a whole.
SAME 😅
I’m glad this question was asked as this is an interesting topic. The analogy of Bella was a good one. So pretty much all decisions aren’t based off emotion.
This video was a great review of emotions, feelings, and decision-making. For example, emotions are automatic, temporary, and basic. They are the same across all cultures. Feelings are more complex and are emotions that have been processed cognitively. There are more types of feelings that exist than emotions, and feelings include a mixture of emotions in one feeling. It was interesting to learn how anger and fear play a role in negative decision-making. I found the topic of negative urgency and impulsivity to be very interesting as well.
I really appreciate Dr. Grande's bringing out what it means to act out in ANGER. It is especially pertinent today as protestors become rioters and wreak more havoc than what they were protesting in the first place. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
I appreciate the definitions between emotions vs. feeling towards the beginning of the video. This allowed for the basis and introduction of the video that gave more of an understanding to the substance of the video.
This video is very good. I have listened to so many of your videos and they all are so educational and informative, thank you
If you can control the fear and anxiety, you should be able to control negative impulses. I have found that to be the case with me as someone with BPD. This can be achieved through a combination of things; medication, proper diagnoses, therapy, confidence building exercises (martial arts etc.), mindful activities (yoga, meditation etc.), education, communicating with those around you (people can't read your mind), a healthy diet and quality sleep. Too often people tend to bottle up their emotions rather than address them. Bottling emotions is like having a giant cyst on your body, at some point its going to explode.
I dunno, I'm getting better (i think) but i still lose control of myself from anger and frustration, even after putting logic in front of me sometimes i just have to act out or I feel as if I'm holding back a sneeze. I will say sleep is a big part of it, when I go insomniac I quickly end up with the patience of a...hmm..i'll say jack russel...they look impatient.
I have a "teenage" yellow labrador...and he digs... the whole yard rolls in mud...gets in the house.... feel my pain , ladies and gentlemen!🥺
On a very serious note, you find the best ways of explaining very tangled stuff . Mental health is far from black or white
This is my favorite one he’s made.
I’ve been reading “Thinking Fast and Slow” and Dr. Grande brings up a lot of the same topics.
Thank you, Dr Grande. For once I found this is one thing I do right 😊. My initial reaction in my head is a totally emotional and feeling based decision, in fact I was faced with this a couple of hours ago. My first inclination was towards a 'yes', but the longer I think about it, it would probably be a very poor decision. So yes, I’ll sit on it until it’s a full logical decision. I loved your analogy! Bella sounds so sweet and very normal. But you gave me a good laugh because I immediately thought 'if Dr Grande did that where I sit he’d get pecked hard'. We have a bird that thinks descending fingers mean a game of catch and peck. Bella sounds like a gentle alternative! 🥰
Great analogy Doctor. I once read a book called FEAR (the seventh sense) I forget what Psychologist wrote it. (I read it so many years ago.) But the psychologist talks about the over mind and how it records everything around you from the day you were born (in great detail) and fear is just things your over mind noticed that you didn’t notice consciously register. It’s interesting stuff for sure! He proves an example of how one of the patients had a fear of this friend stealing from her then later learned in therapy the fear was justified because she had seen the person steal something and it didn’t even register at the time.
Thank you for helping me understand
This is very useful information
Amazing video. Thanks Dr.Grande!
Yes! MIcroseconds! Sporks in the road everywhere! Life's a test, be your best! The higher, the fewer! Yes, time is the opposite of what the decision-making emotional brain and nervous and autonomous systems want! If I know what I mean! Binging on ice cream and Dr. Grande is so fun!
That addressed the question in a very informative way. Thanks. ( and go for it, Bella..lol )
I felt compelled to mention the poor audio quality (hiss) compared to your previous videos just in case you missed it. However, the content is excellent as usual. I don’t usually comment so I’ll take this opportunity thank you for all the help you’ve provided to me over the last two years. You’ve helped me understand my emotions and improve my relationships and happiness.
This video is good. A year late, but better late than never. 👍🤗
I thought I had seen all your videos, and this made me miss your old "style" although I was proud (on your behalf) of nearly 700k!
Instagram isn't my thing, but I'm going there to see pictures of Bella!
Living with a Beagle means never having to clean food off the floor. 😛 He learned early on, completely unintentionally, that "oops, I dropped it!" means a tasty treat... He'll come running from anywhere when those words are spoken.
Hmmmm, I'm gonna start using that phrase to remind myself to step back from the emotion and use my cognitives instead. Thanks for the great analogy, Dr. Grande! 🐾
O.M.G. I am sharing this video in 3..2.. 1...
This applies in international relations. Hasty, revenge based actions make everything worse. Enlightened self interest is a better basis for decisions.
Eye opening. Would love a video that describes bias in decisions. As there's a bit of both cognition and emotions involved.
Great video! i liked the analogy that Dr. Grande gave about Bella to explain emotion and cognition.
I also enjoyed the analogy about Bella because it helped me to better understand how emotions are more automatic than feelings.
This is funny because I'm reading a book called The Laws of Human Nature and the first chapter is about "mastering your emotional self" In page 40, the author uses an analogy of a horseman. The horse is the emotion and the rider is the deliberative thinking. He thought that we ought to "transform this powerful animal energy into something productive. The one without the other is useless."
I thought with the example of Bella hiding under your chair, you were going to say, “ab ūnō, disce omnēs,” or something along those lines. “ab ūnō, disce omnēs” is Latin for “From one example, learn all;” So, it was like, “Look. Look and learn from this.”
what do you think about mindfulness and meditation as ways to make better decisions? it has helped me immensely to not act on a thought or feeling simply because im feeling it or thinking it.
Like Dr. Grande, I am INTP, a creature fascinated by premises, conclusions and logic. But I learned to be suspicious of reason. It is only a tool for impulses of unknown origin. A clean and crystalline tool manipulated by dirty clay hands. That said, deliberate decisions are always the best from an objective point of view. But the life that is worth living happens elsewhere, in a much more obscure place ...
I think that there might be a conflict between emotion and logic in a decision when the decision might have serious long term consequences.Accepting an emotional decision for instant gratification might be destructive in the near future sometimes
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Emotions vs Feelings.
Emotions as automatic and temporary.
Six basic emotions universally...
Far more feelings than emotions. Temporary and automatic part...
Emotions cannot be cut out of life....
Multi poo...
Stubborn little dog...
Cognition...me
Feeling ...Bella
I ALWAYS make a terrible decision if I make it based on any strong emotion, whether it is one that people consider to be "good" or not. There's nothing about intuition or whatever your emotions are telling you that can't be logically evaluated and factored into a decision but the idea is still to think rational about it. Why do you feel some way about something that would lead you to make a certain decision? Of course, I still sometimes make decisions based on emotion, even after evaluating those emotions and thinking about it, and even though I know that all of the worst decisions I've ever made were based on emotions.
A funny story that might help with the dog illustration. My mom's now ex husband was once getting a jalapeño out of the refrigerator but he dropped it. My dog swooped it up extremely quickly and it's no wonder she followed him to the fridge because he dropped food all the time. Well she sure was surprised that she had swooped up a piece of food that spicy when she bit into it and we all laughed at the face she made.
Emotions and cognition are processed in two different parts of the brain, and there are evolutionary reasons for this. Emotion is processed much faster as a survival mechanism. If we "sense" danger, our emotional response is to fight or flight. If we were to take more time to analyze the danger cognitively, it could literally result in our demise. This is how we've survived as a species during times when we had to avoid predators. So even though now we don't have to worry about being attacked by predators these days, our brains still have these primitive survival instincts. Reacting quickly can ensure our survival, especially since cognition literally requires more brain power and therefore more time.
Excellent spoken about this interesting issue Dr. Grande.
So.... your dog's name is Bella🐕.
I first thought he is going to talk about some kind of a Pavlov experiment he did with Bella .... lol.
Anyway I agree; trying to think about it first. Like we say; "Sleep one night over it". Or try to take some deep breaths first when you're getting to feel angry also helps.
Have a nice day doc 😃
You too - I'm glad you found this interesting!
Feelings can also be one’s mood and sensations or one’s levels of stress, energy, and motivation.
Hi Dr. Grande, what I find useful is to use the short "time before actual decision making" to ask myself - do I need to respond to this (am I the person to do this, or is someone else better suited), is now the right time to say/ do what is necessary, and then, what is the best way to formulate my response.
I feel that some kind of intuition is needed in order for cognitive-based decisions; don't you think that's why people with depression typically have difficulties with decisions? We need some kind of feeling to tell us that something is right. Or am i conflating the concept of emotional decision-making with other emotional mechanisms?
Edit: i'm referring to the feelings of emptiness that occur in depressed people, not sadness.
Deliberation /may be/ the best bet in most situations *providing we have an infinite amount of time and energy at our disposal*.
Now, about anger, yes, you may often find anger to be the starting point of criminal behaviour, but it's no reason to conclude that anger is mostly a negative option (this is actually a logical fallacy. What you have proven, is that thing A is common in group B, you did not prove by any stretch that the presence of thing A leads to be part of group B). I had my share of administrative problems in the course of my life; now, what strategy have been the most effective, to unstuck this type of situation? Reason with the guy behind the desk, or go angry and start yelling?
I'll give you a moment to think.
Yep. Anger. Almost every time. Hell, all the time I've got angry in a situation like this, it was /because of/ the frustration accumulated to try to use reason without the slightest success.
On a more general note, it takes a certain amount of privilege to frame anger as almost always detrimental.
Contrary to what they say, showing anger SOLVES many problems. It even prevents many problems since the possible provocateurs are alert. The easiest way to develop a mental disorder is to prevent the manifestation of genuine anger. It exists for some reason. Generally, a good reason.
At 5:50... how do you do that not-even-break-a-smile thing!?! Its amazing!! I have a problem controlling my anger even after carefully deciding the decision I'm about to embark on is a bad one with undue risks for no reward other than release. I've been able to put more and more time between being triggered and acting out but over the summer on many occasions I just couldn't take it anymore. I did many things that were grounds for arrest, some (much) stupider than others. So what's my problem? Its not a momentary impulse but a drawn-out irresistible drive for some sense of revenge no matter how silly, over-the-top or logically unwarranted. Borderlines have revenge in our makeup, but still - how come I can't control it even when I know its ridiculous and self-defeating?! The example I gave in my channel was the building next door under construction. I could not resist breaking windows. I tried to resist. I knew it would make zero difference in the noise they were creating. I knew the cost would be negligible for a building with 300 units undergoing a million dollars renovations. And I knew if I was caught in the act I'd get pulled in and charged. Day after day I tried, and I did. I held back for weeks. But eventually I just ran outside grabbed a chair that was in the garbage, ripped a leg off and smashed the biggest picture window on the mother !@@%# building I could find. Right in the middle of the day with people around. I just didn't care anymore. I had to do it. AND.... for months after when I heard the noise it bothered me 1/10th of what it used to. In other words, what I did, as stupid as it was, worked for me. It was a pleasure looking at the broken window while it lasted in the pane. But even after it was fixed the memory is sweet. I just had to. Is there anything to say about this in terms of emotion and decision making? Or is it just 'borderline, keep working on yourself or get a shrink before you kill someone'?
There is nothing more satisfying than expressing pure anger. The consequences can be terrible, but nothing takes away the satisfaction of that moment. No, there is no regret. You may regret the consequences but the act itself is only a source of pure pleasure. "Nice" people don't know what they're talking about when they condemn anger. It is one of the basic emotions of the human being. Whoever does not feel anger is simply a hypocrite or worse, a creature that is permanently repressed and mutilated. Anger makes you feel alive. My strategy for dealing with uncontrollable anger during childhood was to immerse myself in literature. I experienced the murder of each character as a personal catharsis. No, I never identified with the victim. I wanted to be the aggressor. Without the recourse of fiction to satisfy my anger in a socially acceptable way, I would certainly have killed someone. It was what I really wanted.
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Does Anxiety fall under fear? For example, someone with CPTSD who may feel that they lacked control over their environment or lacked the foresight that could have predicted the traumatic events. They now tend to obsess about decisions and feel like they need to prepare for or consider everything so that they have some measure of control over preventing future traumatic events. Is this fear?
Great analogy using Bella!
Am I the only one who paused the video to see the dog?
She is the cutest
This was very helpful.
Speaking without thinking is like shooting without aiming. A big chance you'll miss
Have you read How Emotions Are Made? It's a groundbreaking book that's been well-received among professional psychologists. It makes a convincing argument that the "six basic emotions" don't really exist in the objective sense that they're that purported to, and the research in support of them has been badly flawed.
I had a multipoo named Bella, she lived a full long life, sadly had to euthenize her just yesterday. Strange how I found this video just today.
great analogy
I have a very special question, as it's about the topic that caused me mental illness. Therefore very important to me.
During my studying of psychology I came across an interesting/scary topic. It's the question of what the self is and if it really exists.
I came across different neuroscientists like sam harris or Thomas Metzinger who claim that the self is an illusion created by the brain.
Now as far as I experienced it, if you claim to a psychiatric doctor that you think you (your self) doesn't exist it's a kind of psychotic illness. Therefore I thought doctors must have a theory of what the self is and how it interacts with the body. But no specialist I went to was able to explain this to me.
Is there no common theory or explaination in modern psychiatry or psychology?
Would be amazing to get an explaination.
Very interesting question. I hope Dr. Grande is willing to help you out. I also would like to hear him talk about this topic. Maybe he might see this as a challenge....
Hi there. Maybe this article about your question might help you some. I don´t know if you have probably already been reading it, but me myself I think this is a pretty good article written by Steve Taylor, PhD. He is a senior lecturer in psychology at Leeds Beckett University. Below here is the link.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/201311/does-your-self-exist
pocoeagle2 thanks this article is extremely interesting :)
@@thefruitdude8001 I'm glad you like it!
I was wondering if you could do a video about motivation and the statement “You can do anything that you are motivated to do.“
I think this one was already answered already. I may be able to link you if your interested.
@@SERGE_Tech Hey, I'd like to see that! With his 1,000+ videos it's hard to find something so small.
What about intuition? Not feelings interpreting emotions, but intuition giving an analysis of factual reality. That's is, the truth of the matter.
"BELLLLLL-AAAAAH!!!!" (a la Marlon Brando).... I don't usually have a Malti-poo hiding under my chair, but if I were to have one, her name would definitely be BELLLLL-AAAAH!!
You’re assuming we have free will. You can’t be a determinist and believe one is free to choose. Also, I believe all decisions are based on emotions. No matter how long we deliberate, our decision will be based on wants, desires or values (the greater good).
There is no rational decision. The very act of deciding is a movement of unconscious origin. The reason always comes later to explain to the conscience what had already been decided from other ways. There are several experiments that demonstrate this simple truth.
I've had some thoughts on the subject, and I'm going to randomly share them without any credentials to speak of, be warned.
So I've been thinking, cognition without motivators seem pointless, correct? Like, the thinking and reasoning needs to have some goal, and the goal seems to be a positive situation, positive being relative to your internal motivators. Emotions are, I'd guess, among these base motivators. So cognition would inevitably end up trying to please future emotions rather than present emotions. Which means cognition without emotion or some other base motivator in mind would not make sense. Does this make sense? It's 2 AM, hah. :P
Anos Anosn Yes, I totally agree with you!
If rational is the only parameter the saying ” im not feeling this” would be innacurate. It sometimes is ofc.
this is a great video! very useful information! maybe you could redo this so all your new followers can get the benefit with your new setup?
Which type of decision-making (Emotional decision_making or rationl-decsion making) can be more difficult to embed in a robot (or artificial intelligence)? Why?
Yes all decisions are based upon emotions.
We've known that since Dale Carnegie wrote How to Win Friends and Influence People.
We've known that since Mark Twain said you can't get a man to decide against something when their salary depends upon it close to two centuries ago. And I'm sure there are examples before that.
And we know from people who have damaged amygdala, that without emotional weighting for each fact, we are incapable of rational decisions.
It's also the reason that one person can conclude that A + B is less than C well another person can conclude that A + B is greater than C.
Pretty much only math is purely rational.
Although the very impulse to be interested in mathematics is deeply irrational, like everything else
Hi Dr. Grande, can you share any resources related to the final section of this video where you speak about anger and negative urgency etc.?
Mostly id agree. However , id also question. For instance , consider the way that economical problems were addressed by printing out more and more funny money. They'd used rational thought?. And yet i don't see that its worked out so well as planned. And i wonder if people might have relied more on their gut feeling , could things have turned out slightly better than they have.
Or pollution. The rational thought might have been minded to think that firing up population growth, what could then serve to help create far more wealth. Might seem wise. But was it really though?. What if a time will come when population growth may outgrow ability to provide food. And if associated pollution level might also serve to create situation what cause extinction of certain species . Surely, anyone who'd relied a little more on their gut feeling, enough, might have EASILY allowed themselves to foresee this?
(from Lise Hull) A very interesting and thought-provoking video! I am wondering how you see the role of medication in regulating emotions. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Wouldn’t cognitive behavior therapy help make to better decisions?
Look up Prof Jennifer Lerner of Harvard...
She is advisor to Admiral Robinson USN..
The 'Decision making Laboratory'..
When you have no time...
You better have good habits..
'NO' is the safest word in the English Language...
Does not the processing go: Emotion, Cognition, and then Feeling? In that order. The cognitive thought is required to define and label the feeling?
Can cognition be unconscious? and if so could a hubristic or bias be considered a cognition?
Sure. Prejudices, for example, are a form of unconscious reasoning. The impulse is automatic and irrational, but if asked, the person who displays a prejudice is able to bring up a long list of arguments to explain his behavior. And they are usually arguments with a personal, historical and / or social basis. They are never free as some say. Placed under the correct perspective, prejudices form the very basis of life in society. If we had to think consciously about each single act of daily life, society would simply not exist. Few people can see to what extent human actions are fundamentally determined by social habits. Or, in other words, "simple" prejudices
I would love to hear your thoughts about the concepts and research in Lisadman Barrett's book, How Emotions Are Made. Just curious if you agree or disagree!
What is baretts view ? The short version.
Not all but way more Than one would want to admit.
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As an intj no I don't make decisions based on emotions.
Does anybody have literature recommendations for further reading on this?
So are decisions all based on emotions?
At 6:47 Decisions must be made cognitively...
What is the primary emotion of depression? Can it be any of the six primary emotions?
anger
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emotions are a suckers game
schizoid ftw
kungfujoe ayee i’m schizoid as well
@@pappaperc4286 how's fear and your selfimmage?
kungfujoe I don't have much fear and my self-image is pretty good. I don't have any self-hatred if that’s what you mean.
It’s worth noting that I’m also diagnosed ASPD.
How bout you?
@@pappaperc4286 my schizoid came with cluster B (all)
Very very, very very, 😭
You are biased towards the cognitive approach. You give exaggerated emotions as an example of why emotional decision-making is worse than cognitive, and this is cherry-picking. One can highlight situations where cognitive processing is distorted as an argument against cognitive decision-making. Someone with distorted cognitions and delusions can make wrong decisions. Cognitive processing is not enough to make good decisions - we need the critical thinking tool, which is a relatively good method to find different patterns in reality (considering that this is our best epistemological option if we take ontological naturalism as a valid position). The same goes for emotions. Emotions and instincts have the same evolutionary function as cognitions. When they are not pathological, they can be a good indicator. Combined with critical thinking, our feelings (conscious experience of emotions) can serve as a good heuristic for decision-making. But critical thinking helps us to understand the factual situation. Which decision is best is a matter of ethics. Cognitive processing should include a particular school of ethics (utilitarianism/consequentialism, deontology, etc.) as a rule that guides our behavior. All ethical schools are subject to many philosophical problems, and this is where the limitation of verbal games comes into play when it comes to making the best decision. We are evolved to make decisions that involve a variety of affective and thought processes. We process a lot of information unconsciously, and we cannot do that on a conscious level because it is not practical (the theory of the adaptive unconscious). Part of our unconscious process is cognitive, and we call it intuition - but that's going to complicate things.
When we have sex, we don't base our decisions solely on cognitive processing, but we do it "intuitively" - something which includes empathy and other urges/feelings/instincts/qualia. When we play an instrument, dance, communicate with people, etc., we do it as the result of feelings. Artistic creation involves various automated cognitive processes, as well as emotional and aesthetic experiences. Furthermore, aesthetic experiences are an interesting psychological construct that includes a series of processes (auditory, olfactory, visual, emotional, cognitive, etc.). Communicating with people involves a large number of mental processes that operate in sync and dictate the dynamics of communication. Feelings always contribute to our communication, and cognitive decision-making vs. emotional decision-making is a false dilemma that might be a simplification. Artistic creation involves various automated cognitive processes, as well as emotional and aesthetic experiences. Furthermore, aesthetic experiences are an interesting psychological construct that includes various mental processes (auditory, olfactory, visual, emotional, cognitive, etc.). If you are upset and talk to someone, even if you are trying to make certain decisions on a cognitive level about how you will communicate, your nonverbal communication will drive the dynamics of your discussion to some extend (considering the illusion of transparency). If you are cheerful and make the same decisions at the cognitive level, the dynamics of your communication will be different. The idea is not to exclude emotions from the decision process but to take functional emotions into account while eliminating dysfunctional emotions. For this reason, post-rationalism might be more reasonable than rationalism.
I am aware of the Affect Heuristic, but I would say that this is a very case-specific issue and depends on personal ethics, emotional intelligence, and other factors. If I see an injured dog on the street and I feel sorry and empathetic, should I decide to help him as a result of those feelings? Yes. But if I am late for work (and my boss will fire me if I am late), I might ignore my urge to help the dog. If I feel overwhelmed with happiness and a need to hug my girlfriend, will I decide to hug her based on those emotions/feelings? Yes. If I feel like I no longer love my girlfriend, will it affect my decision to leave her? Yes. I might decide to hang out with another girl depending on how I feel (romantic attraction). Let's say I go on a date with her and I have no proof of anything in particular, but I intuitively feel red flags. Am I supposed to listen to my gut feeling? My intuition also includes numerous unconscious cognitive processes (knowledge). We unconsciously handle a lot of non-verbal signals and just because I can't verbalize my intuitive hunch, that doesn't necessarily mean I should ignore it. I will use critical thinking that considers my intuition, feelings, psychological knowledge, and other accurate evidence when making a decision. Sometimes I don't take my feelings into account. If I tend to be paranoid, my "intuition" might be the result of my distorted perception - so I would have to rely on critical thinking and not draw conclusions if I don't have any evidence. If I'm angry and hurt because someone teased me, it's wiser not to act on impulse.
However, this is an ethical discussion, and our disposition to think ethically is the result of our evolution. You're using utilitarianism as justification for certain actions. If anger leads to suffering, making decisions while we are angry is not right because we could hurt somebody/ ourselves. This is not a scientific argument (how things are), but an ethical argument (how things ought to be). If Genghis Khan murdered people when he was angry, and this gave him an evolutionary advantage, his decisions helped him, his tribe, and his descendants. Why is it bad to hurt other people if it increases our chances of survival (this also benefits the justification of some features of the dark triad with the arguments of ethical egoism)? The discussion raises a variety of ethical issues and is very interesting. However, it is important to note that "it is better to make decisions X than U" has an ethical dimension, not just a scientific one.
make decisions baced what befits you the most