Multiracial Harfoots: nomadic, cut-throat, hateful towards their fellow man Homogeneous Hobbits: settled, quaint, at peace with their fellow man Amazon's doing great work for the cause
it´s funny how the Harfoots and the Numenoriens, both apparently isolated people due to their "politics" are so strangely divers while the (former) followers of Morgoth are all conspicously white even so the dude probably conquered many different realms. Maybe it´s just me but somehow this doesn´t add up.
Timestamps 0:00 Goby, Goblin & Goblins 1:06 Harry Potter 5:09 Harrison Ford 6:05 Thumbnail & Jared Leto 6:59 Galadriel Joker 8:16 The Saddest Theme 19:13 The Saddest Thing In LOTR 22:33 Emotional Scenes 25:53 Videogames 30:59 The Little Platoon 32:23 Rings Of Power 33:42 Plotlines 36:44 Intro 41:19 Elfman 43:34 Galadriel 46:17 Armour 52:17 Dialogue 55:37 Landscapes 58:49 Score 1:00:34 Aesthetic & Substance 1:02:09 Nùmenor 1:06:35 The Boat 1:08:26 Foreshadowing 1:10:06 Continuity 1:11:34 Confusion 1:17:04 A GOT Parallel 1:20:03 Death Threat 1:28:31 Trust, Weapons & Deception 1:38:36 The Seaman 1:43:34 Metaphors 1:45:19 Attitude Towards Elves 1:48:24 Dialogues & The Use Of Allegories 1:59:16 Characters Out Place 2:00:16 A Show Devoid Of Levity 2:04:03 Characters Out Of Place 2:05:43 Pacing, Actions & Dialogues 2:09:38 Establishing Locations 2:16:59 The Tree 2:31:16 The Whipping Orc & The Plot Armour 2:38:06 The Axe 2:39:44 The Plushies!!! 2:41:39 The Tolkienian Scene 2:43:01 Galadriell 3:00:59 The Famous Scene 3:08:56 The Crest 3:18:46 The Library 3:27:33 EFAP Micro: The Evil Hardfoots 4:18:57 Desertion 4:25:27 All-Bran 4:27:28 History & Informations 4:35:31 The Caravan 4:47:15 EFAP Micro: The Great Escape 5:04:06 The Breakers Of Chains 5:10:27 The Warg 5:28:40 The Twig 5:32:50 Ain’t No Boromir 5:45:12 Episode Ending 5:47:00 The Plushies!!! 5:50:10 Episode 4 Intro 5:51:26 Earthquake & Tsunami 5:58:04 A GOT Parallel (2) 6:05:45 The Cringe Scene 6:19:20 Galadriallll vs Queen 6:42:24 The Road So Far 6:44:55 Sailors 6:54:08 Black Elfman 6:56:23 EFAP Micro: Fringy’s Enigma 7:03:00 Food Supplies (1) 7:07:19 Simpsons’ Tangent 7:14:30 Food Supplies (2) 7:17:50 Ninja Kid vs Orc 7:27:30 Dwarfs & Elvis 7:34:05 The Rise And Fall Of The Beard Armour 7:36:56 Secret Things 7:39:55 Secret Conversation 7:39:55 Do You Want To Know A Secret? 7:56:24 A Skippable Scene 7:57:50 Galadriellll 8:00:44 EFAP Micro: The Great Galadriell 8:43:48 Humans 8:46:05 The Kid, The Elf & The Lady 9:02:26 EFAP Lecture - Dwarfs: History, Lore & Magic 10:00:59 Death Of The Author 10:47:17 Soma 10:48:00 Loki 10:49:57 Eulron 11:16:13 Eulron & Duram 11:16:59 Lady & Elfman 11:21:16 The Kid & Creepy Old Man 11:23:44 A Funny Scene 11:25:45 Galadrielllll 11:31:48 Conclusion
Little Plattoon has a great voice for explaining the references this show refused to elaborate on. Seems like this was the perfect stream to have had him on.
Going to be honest, idk what it is but when Treebeard comes walking out of the forest near Isengard and he sees all of scarred land always gets to me. His blank face and shakey voice before he flies into a rage. The last march of the ents. Oof..
Galadriel: This mark is a guide for the orcs to follow. Random Elf: Nice Observation Captain... why don't you back it up with a source. Galadriel: My source is I made it the fuck up.
I have the same problem with the elves in this show that I had with the elves in the Witcher. They never *feel* like a different race from humans, they just feel like humans cosplaying elves in a DND game. When Galadriel fights off five guards at once with superhuman reflexes I immediately thought “bull crap. SURE she’s skilled enough to do that, why not?” Then I realized, I would never have doubted it if she were Tauriel or Arwen or any of the elves from the movies. Not only did they show off much more of the elves’ grace and acrobatics (and they did so a lot more effectively) but they also gave the elves this ethereal, otherworldly quality and made sure that the actors they picked could pull it off. In the movies you take one look at Legolas, or Tauriel, or Thranduil, and you immediately go “yeah, that’s an elf”. Honestly I find myself almost forgetting young Galadriel is supposed to be one at all whenever she has her ears covered by her hair.
Yes. Same thoughts so I looked back, and it's the clear separation of the groups. Man, Dwarf, and Elf looked of a different time/different world. Going modern day look turns it into Modern day Cosplay. For me it loses its seriousness and just becomes dumb entertainment.
Writers: "Fantasy is when characters got the big words." Tolkien: “[Bandobras Took] charged the ranks of the goblins of Mount Gram in the Battle of the Green Fields, and knocked their king Golfimbul's head clean off with a wooden club. It sailed a hundred yards through the air and went down a rabbit-hole, and in this way the battle was won and the game of Golf invented at the same moment.”
Funny enough this is something taught in various business writing/typing classes (memos and other documents) Where you dont want to overuse big words because it gives off the impression youre trying too hard and will lose the point in the message. Youd want to use maybe 1 word to give the severity of the message. Its been years but i do vaguely remember this in my college courses.
The Little Platoon is one of the most insightful and well-spoken EFAP guests. A real treat! We are not all the same as him of course, but he is a prime example of the influence you have on us. Be proud of yourselves!
RoP: _humans forgot to bring food_ LotR: "We're leaving for the refuge of Helm's Deep! Do not burden yourself with treasures - take only what provisions you need!"
I really like Little Platoon. He seems like a really articulate speaker. been enjoying his presence in different shows. Hope he becomes a frequent guest on EFAP and grows his platform. seems like a pretty cool dude.
Rags. It is not a stretch to think that anything spoken or sung could be magical in nature. A couple examples off the top of my head being: Saruman. He was riffing Quenya directly to Caradhras (the mountain), as if the mountain had it's own will. He was saying for the mountain to unleash it's wrath and Gandalf was pleading with it not to. This resulted in a storm, the mountain trembling and The Fellowship heading for the mines instead. Gollum. The reason he fell into the lava was actually a direct result of him breaking his oath to Frodo. Frodo had unintentionally cursed Gollum when Gollum swore obedience to 'the master of the precious'. It's likely to do with the Ring, but still. LOTR's magic system has some real subtlety to it. It's not just throwing fireballs or conjuring familiars etc. I doubt the writers of ROP know any of this shit though 😒
None of those examples are in The Rings of Power, which is a separate work with a separate continuity to the books and the films. I think what Rags was getting at is that the show has presented no visuals or dialogue that unambiguosuly decree that their magic singing can move or shape rock, only that it can help them locate the positions of different ores.
@@systmerr9445 Unless you know what Quenya is, which most don't, you could say the exact same about Saruman. We see Saruman riffing Quenya, things then happen. You apparently see these Dwarves singing, things then happen.
i find the magic in LotR difficult to grasp since it´s discription is so vague. What is it based on, who can do what? is there a difference in the magic of the wizards and elves for example, since the former are essentially angels? not shure how much is explained in the Simarillion but from the main story i can only make some small observations: Amplification of natural phenomena (Storm, luminescence), telekenises (Saruman vs Gandalf fight, desroying bridges), a spectral realm (nazgul), mind control (King Theoden) and alchemy (medicine, bombs). i see these effects but not the rules behind them.
@@Tyarrk It's incredibly nuanced. The films and series could never hope to explain the magic system when it requires you to have read, not just the books, but Tolkiens letters and all that jazz. (Something I've yet to do)
@awhellnah__ it's one of the most obvious usages of cursing magic in the whole of Tolkien's creation, how the hell can you attempt to call it headcanon? On Frodo and Sam's last fight against Gollum as they climb the mountain, Sam has a brief glimpse of the Unseen World, he sees Frodo as a tall white figure holding a giant wheel of flames (he was holding the Ring in his hands at the time in the material world). Frodo _literally_ says "If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom." To make matters even fucking clearer, Sam's momentary ethereal vision says that the voice comes not from Frodo, but from the One Ring itself. And what happens to Gollum? Unlike the movie version where Frodo tackles him, in the book we see described an entirely accidental slip (from a creature that is described as a master of climbing and as sure footed as a freaking elf) and Gollum goes down. He touches Frodo and instantly proceeds to be cast himself into the Fire of Doom.
1:20:00 Funny that Rags should suggest Galadriel introduce herself mentioning someone helpful to Men. In the actual lore, her brother Finrod died, wrestling a werewolf, to save Beren when they were imprisoned by Sauron, and Beren's great-grandsons were Elrond, and Elros, the first King of Numenor.
Not only did he die saving her human ancestor, the whole reason he was even there to begin with was that, unlike some other elves at the time, Finrod deeply respected humans _and_ was shockingly OK with the idea of humans and elves intermixing. Beren came to ask his help to fulfil the absurd request Thingol (the father of the elf he loved, Luthien) made to allow the marriage to happen. They were sent on a suicide mission to steal the most desired artifact in the world literally from Morgoth's crown. Thingol might as well have told him "okay you can marry my daughter, but only if you manage to go into hell and steal one of Satan's trident's points." And Finrod fucking heard that and went "you know what Beren my man? I'm with you." And yeah, he fucking died, of course he did, it was a suicide mission to begin with, but he damned well gave his all for the hope of seeing his human friend marrying an elf. It was even fucking SAURON who captured them and ordered Finrod's death, Galadriel could well say "the same creature who would have killed your ancestor, only stopped because my own brother gave his life, is back." How fucking strong of a debt of honor and blood would that be for a request!?
Saddest LotR moment for me: "Since you are robbed of Boromir, I will do what I can in his stead." The context, combined with David Wehnam knocking it out of the park with his performance, makes that one of the hardest gutpunches I've ever experienced from a film. Faramir has endured his father's disdain for years, and he, too, mourns his brother's passing, and now he's returned to his father in defeat only for his father to rip his heart out. Faramir cracks just a little, not quite able to keep the pain out of his voice or from his face, but he holds himself together like a champ. It gets me every time. The Rings of Power wargs look DERP as hell, Rags. I really don't get what you see in them. On top of their crap design, they look like they stumbled out of a pre-rendered PS2 cutscene and the way they move suggests the animator has never seen a dog before.
They look like a mix between a wild hog and a wolf, especially the chonkers in episode 5. I don’t hate the design but the hyena ones in Lord of the Rings are 100x better. Always thought those things looked so cool. These feel like maybe some proto-warg?
I rank Faramir riding towards certain death as one of the saddest moments of the series. Juxtaposing that against an uncaring Denethor being a sloppy eater just hits home just how wrong that whole situation was.
Oh, wait, when the one Harfoot said “their hearts are bigger than their feet”, he was reading out of the old guys cookbook, wasn’t he? It’s a cookbook! It’s a cookbook! I thought they might be basing the Harfoots off of the Sawney Bean legend, like “the hills have eyes” was, but I think the Sawney Bean clan were much more loyal to their own kin, than the Harfoots are?
So great to see Little Platoon on, been watching his channel blow up and judging by the quality of his videos it's no surprise he's been a disciple of the Toxic Brood
@@cyrus2395 well he stated he's more of a literal linguist when it comes to words. I was confused why Mauler and rags didnt state the term "death of the auther" should be perceived as slang and just dive into the concept but it took them forever to abandon the phrase. I completely saw where both sides were and what each sides hang up was. However, the conversation was amazing diving into the concepts and different concepts. I mean both definitions they had for "death of the auther" both make complete sense. One side is using it literally while the other is using it metaphorically. I personally dislike the "common" usage of "death of the auther" simply due to the metaphorical nature of it since it is just ignoring an authers input but not necessarily all input. Ignoring all input would be a more metaphorically accurate "death of the auther". This is simply semantics and I love conversations breaking down concepts, definitions, etc.
There’s a reason why across most cultures, deities related to the seas or storms are almost always portrayed as male, and are almost always extremely unpredictable, impetuous, and chaotic bordering on wrathful. Because the storms and the seas do not care about the plights of mortal men; they just ARE. So this goofy quote of “the sea is always right” is just comedically nonsensical to me. So when a hurricane comes along and brings in such a strong flood tide that it destroys your home, are you just gonna shrug and go, “Whelp! The sea is always right!”?
@@84C4 That’s why in Game of Thrones, you’ll notice that the sea and storm gods that the Baratheons and Greyjoys believe in aren’t gods they worship, but instead are gods that they respect, fear, or even outright challenge or defy in their respective mythologies. Because any real sailor worth their salt will tell you that the sea is a fickle and unpredictable mistress, and more often than not, the seas are trying to kill you rather than take you where you need to go. So where the Numenorians got this notion of “the sea is always right” is completely and utterly beyond me.
I didn't actually think they'd do "We wuz Numenorians n' Shieeeeeeeet"... but they actually did. Reminder, this has always been about Taking something from Europeans, not creating something for Fans. Bankerberg-tier greed, global shipping monopolies, and old unelected oligarchs making your media... VERY very bad concept.
Dodgeball Queen: I think I’ll take my chances Galadriel: Yeah you will take your chances Queen: I know I just…..said that Galadriel: I know you just said that
Really cool how TLP talked about being a fan of EFAP and living the dream by being on. Love when great content inspires others to make great content and they get to share in that with those who inspired them. A rare treat from some rare folks, keep it up!
I'd like to remind everyone that they laughed at the guy who died to bees and then called him an idiot. And then they shrug off Nori for daring to say "why survive if not for friends."
@Joseph Wong I honestly don’t know what they were going for with the Harfoots. I can’t tell if they intended to write them as cultish barbarians to be like “see Nori is the good one for turning away from their ways!” Meanwhile sacrificing the character of every other harfoot or if the writers actually think the Harfoots are good and sympathetic and that their only flaw is that they don’t want to hide anymore? It’s so confusing but hey the Harfoots are my favorites outside of the dwarves. At least they aren’t the elves which are the characters I just hate all of by this point and the Harfoots make me laugh at how ridiculous and psychotic they all are. They amuse me for all of the wrong reasons and it gets even funnier whenever they are given a sympathetic moment just to remember that they laughed at one of their own who died to bee stings and finished by calling him a moron.
Me and my wife were discussing how Galadrial is always scowling and only smiling if she's trying to manipulate someone. Then the horse scene came and we both cracked up and were like "oh no no no continue not smiling please!"
6:38:50 Oh it would have been great if the LotR had shown a cutaway during the Saruman palantir scene "BUILD me an army worthy of Mordor" and we see Denethor seeing/hearing all this in horror with his own palantir. Even if we didn't know who Denethor was yet at that point in the story, it would make sense eventually. Maybe even have a few of the Burning of the Westfold scenes shown in the POV of Denethor's palantir while Saruman's speech to Sauron echoes through the White Keep.
Or when people who have never been hungry or truly frightened in their life write characters and the problems of food and fear don't even occur to them.
I think Rags is informing a lot of his opinions of the magic argument on an incomplete understand of Tolkien’s works, and LP is coming from a place of knowledge of the lore of the deeper universe. From the lens of our world, Rags would be 100% right that you should default to thinking something is more grounded in reality. From the lens of Tolkien’s world, LP is totally right that you should default to it being magic, but especially in the case of a song. The entirety of the world of Arda was created by the song of the Ainur. Songs have great power in Tolkien’s Legendarium. Yes, the rocks could vibrate by sound, in our world. But we have no reason to see this as our world. It’s not. And in the world of Arda magic is a predominant power. It is a part of everything. The trees, well they can talk to each other. How? Magic. When did you last see an Ent in our world? All of middle earth is based on magic, even the mundane everyday aspects of life. The fact that the sun is in the sky, that’s magic. The fact that life exists at all, also magic. This show absolutely has no reason to exist, it is appalling, and it will almost certainly abandon the lore of the world on which it’s based (it already very much has), but looking at it as being set inside of Tolkien’s Arda you have to accept that the rules of this world are different than ours. Even if the show will never earn that for itself by its own writing.
I disagree that it’s reasonable irl to assume the rocks are vibrating because of sound, because it’s really stupid to assume someone is capable of singing loud enough to rumble a mountain
In general, no navy ever had sailors wear armor. You cannot climb sails, and most importantly, cannot swim in armor. Most navies had dedicated sailors AND soldiers, who were used to defend the ship or board enemy vessels, but I guess Númenor just has one group do both roles?
I enjoyed this so much I’ve listened to it twice. The first listen was a blessing as you kept me company during an entire flight from Los Angeles to London. You guys are all amazing and remind me of super fun conversations I had with my friends in college regarding the LOTR books 40 years ago. That said my absolute favorite section of your video was the respectful, emphatic disagreement/clarification of Dwarven Magic that evolved into defining soft vs hard magic systems. It’s like being 19 again with good friends who enjoy getting to the core of the truth. Really appreciate you all and don’t get jealous, but especially Little Platoon. His education, humbles me. best to you all in the New Year!!!
Saddest LOTR moment? Boromir's death and his chasing away of Frodo are both up there. Theoden's death is sad but fulfilling. Gives me chills every time I see it.
I know Sean Bean dying is a meme, but my god did he nail that scene. The facial expressions and body language of a man determined not to die in shame.... Didn't need to say a word and you can't take your eyes off him.
@@petriew2018 Yeah. I usually roll my eyes at overblown long death scenes but Boromir's death never fails to choke me up. I think you hit it on the head when you said it's a man determined not to die in shame.
I would just like to point out the hobbit being left behind after getting stuck in the snow is actually something reused from the first episode where Galadriel wants to abandon the elf who collapsed during their journey through the mountain.
A Brit who has an awesome voice combined with the ability to speak concisely and interestingly for long periods... Little Platoon has that gift like mauler and totalbiscuit(rip) that's so enticing, he impressed me. Hope he becomes a regular on mauler's shows
Not gonna lie, I think LP has plenty of qualities, including a most suave British accent… But “as/more concise than mauler” is the last thing I’d put on my list of potential descriptors XD
@@nathanjora7627 I find them both to be very concise however platoon doesn't resort to laymen linguistics while Mauler does. This would cause some to see one or the other as more or less concise depending on linguistic preference. I found the "death of the auther" debacle hilarious because neither side could see the problem but platoon did draw attention to it first even tho he didn't seem fully aware himself by mentioning he's more of a literal linguist. This explains his concept of "death of the auther". Where Mauler and Rags are using it metaphorically. I'm a semi literal linguist so I do find issues with the common usage of "death of the auther" myself simply because the phrase is a overly hyperbolic metaphor for ignoring some of an authers input. Where a more proper metaphorical "death" in this situation would be to ignore all of an authers input essentially killing the concept of him being the auther. I found that entire part hilarious and the most engaging part of this entire efap.
My point on conciseness didn’t have much to do with the level of language he used and more so the amount, especially in the discussion you mentioned. As for “catching on first”, I’ve missed the beginning of the discussion so maybe I’d agree if I knew how it started but regardless of how much of a literalist he is 1) death of the author is an expression, built for a certain purpose, it’d be expected (especially if someone who had a master I imagine related to art ? Never heard of a master in aesthetic degree before but I’d find it hard to believe it’s got nothing to do with it) that he knows about the common/intended meaning even if he disagree with the fact that this common meaning ought to be named “death of the author”, 2) he was absolutely awful at understanding anything sent his way in this discussion, even after mauler understood where the issue lied and repeatedly tried to do away with the expression to simply discuss the concepts, or even before that when he was explaining he understood LP’s definition but his and rag’s were different, he still couldn’t get out of his own conception of the thing and constantly went back to what mauler and rags had just established wasn’t the topic. Overall a very nice guest and I don’t mind him using more words than absolutely required, but I wouldn’t say he’s “concise” anymore than any of their usual guests. Especially not in the death of t he author discussion where he lost his footing multiple times and stuttered and repeated himself, as well as going on longer than necessary when he re explained points he’d already made.
Here’s the big takeaway from the armor conversation. The show runners saw the Cuir-Bouilli that Russell Crowe was wearing in Gladiator and said to themselves, “that’s so cool! I want it on a ship.” The show runners not only don’t care about the lore, they don’t even try to make things fit into any sort of reality. It’s all about what looks cool in a single moment for them. They have no concept of time and that’s also why consistency doesn’t happen. They are a series of moments, each cool inside itself, but useless in a story.
re; 1:02:01 Men were not given Numenor as a reward for fighting with the Elves, they were given it as a reward for fighting alongside the armies of the Valar. Well, there WERE Elves in that army, but they were not the Elves of Middle Earth, they were the good Elves, who never left Valinor. The Vanyar and the remaining Noldor who did not follow Feanor into rebellion (like Galadriel, Celebrimbor and the forebears of Elrond & Gil-Galad did) came out of the West at the behest of Elrond's father, but the Elves of Middle Earth were, by that point, a spent force. They just sat on their asses on their island refuges and prayed the earthquakes would stop. It was the Men of Beleriand who rose up to join the armies of the West and contributed to the defeat of Morgoth, and in fact, the first king of Numenor was the son of a hero who slew Ancalagon the Black, the greatest dragon who ever lived in MIddle Earth. Galadriel implying that these people live in Numenor only by virtue of fidelity to her kind is a form of stolen valor. In fact, there was a correlation between the Men of Numenor who remained Faithful to the Valar and friends with the Elves, while their compatriots turned away from the Valar in pride and envy, but, again, the right to Numenor was not contingent upon fealty to Elves. If there WAS some sort of obligation or debt to the Elves, it would be to the Elven race or nation, of which Gil-Galad is the rightful High King, and Galadriel is the one in disobedience. If the Men of Numenor have an obligation or debt to the Elves, throwing Galadriel in jail is the right thing to do, and giving her a ship to go in the opposite direction as the High King of the Elves wanted her to go is the wrong thing.
RoP is NOT an Anglo-Saxon mythology from John Tolkien. RoP IS designed to corrupt and co-opt his work though. These are solid Facts that existed at the beginning of RoP's airing, and they will hold true to the end of RoP's airing.
I can't wait for the Netflix adaptation of Harry Potter where Hagrid is played by Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, who has a furious gay relationship with Dobby 'Doblin' the House Elf, played by Dany DeVito. Also starring Charles Dance as Snape...
(Moved from Original Video) On Rags disliking the idea of determinism in stories, it is something that was very very common at the time and especially in the narratives which inspired Tolkiens work and scholarly focus. The Northman is a modern example of such a story being pulled off right I think, Amleth’s death was preordained but the meaning and the reason why changed throughout the story until he (and me speaking as the audience) became at peace with it, finding value and meaning and self purpose in it. Killing and dying for his own reasons rather than the doom forced upon him by his father. (Edit)Add: A few notes to add to Little Platoons knowledge with the benefit of research. The Valar didn’t destroy Numenor as they were unable to act against Man, they had to petition Eru to stop the invasion and it was one of two times (and the most dramatic) where God actually stepped in and acted directly. I would also say it is predetermined in the show because it is an event in the books, I am not aware of any such prophecy in the works of Tolkien, feel free to correct me. But as LTP pointed out Numenors downfall was entirely their own fault, though many of the righteous were spared to go and found Gondor and Arnor, but the land which had been given to them for their good works was taken from them for betraying the spirit in which it was given and for the evil they committed.
So, an example of death of the author is, the Harfoots. The authors intended them to be loving, communal people who look after each other. But in action, they're actually psychopaths and moral monsters who will actively sabotage members of their community if they cause any minor inconvenience by being injured in service to the community, and will laugh at the manner of your death. The author created something entirely different from what was in their head. They can't speak for the creation anymore. Of course they created it. Death of the author means the author has no control over the creation once it's made. Authorial intent DOES NOT change the traits of the finished product because intent doesn't necessarily get reflected in the work.
"Nobody goes off-trail and nobody walks alone" actually makes sense if you see it as a threat. It's not a happy "we're a fellowship, we stick together and have each other's backs", it's a sinister, cult-like "stay in line, or you will be discarded".
The dwarves use magic to amplify their voices, then they use nano implants in their inner ears to record the sound waves echoed from the rocks to build a tridimensional reconstruction of the ore deposits in their cyber-extended virtual cortex buffer.
7:03:50 Imagine how interesting it would be if the other elves weren't dead, and had to work with the villagers to defend the tower and it's surroundings from Adar. Imagine if Bronwyn and Arondir's relationship wound serving as a bridge between the two groups.... Imagine if this show had even halfway competent writers
It feels like the writers are banking on the audience having the foreknowledge that ultimately Galadriel is correct about Sauron and the resulting war, so she has every right to be as petulant and narcissistic as she is. Problem is, we’re watching her do as little as possible to convince anyone in universe of her position. She’s providing no evidence of her claims, not being at all reasonable with anyone, scorning the very idea that she should employ any degree of diplomacy, and threatening violence at every turn. That’s all nested within the rest of the show being an utter train wreck of conflicting ideals (the harfoots being the prime example) which just drags it down even further…like a stone.
Death of the author as a concept originates from a french essay that states that the author's interpretation of their own work is not the only valid interpretation and can even be a not valid interpretation of their work. It is called death of the author, because in literature studies for the longest time the intent was to find the one true interpretation the author intended. So, in other words, rags and mauler are right death of the author means that an author can be wrong about their work.
In future, Mauler, the easiest example for Death of the Author is "if I drew a square and told you it was a circle, would it matter that I was the one who drew it?"
@@CruelestChris I don't see how it relates to authors. It seems too disconnected as an analogy. Is you claiming the square is a circle the personal interpretation of a piece of work?
@@Proletariat12 Well, the non-"death of the author" approach is to treat the author as having some special level of control over their work: so, for example, if JK Rowling says Dumbledore had The Big Gay, that is now true and effectively part of the work. Death of the author treats the author as simply another commentator on the work. So in my example, in the former case my authorial claim that the square is a circle means it is now a circle, while with Death of the Author you can say "no, I, as much of an authority as you on the matter, can say that is in fact a square."
@@CruelestChris Ah, I see. Why I was confused, was because you were comparing a geometric shape that already exists as part of this world we inhabit, with a character in a story invented by an author in a world the author invented. So it doesn't seem comparable to me, as you drawing the square is not you inventing a square, it's you copying a square that already exists. When really, you trying to call the square a circle but it remaining a square, demonstrates that you, the "reader" of the universe, have no say in changing what the "author" (physical laws) created, and they are still the ultimate authority.
The author's intention isn't always the most satisfying interpretation of their work. Tommy Wiseau thought he was making a drama, but people only ever watch The Room to laugh at it.
9:02:26 and 'Death of the author' discussion was the main highlight of the podcast for me. I really like this The Little Platoon guy, the way he thinks and also how there's arguments? (My vocabulary is still small so bare with me) between him, Rags and MauLer which is really interesting to me
At the end of episode 3 "Man this is taking longer than we thought. We might not be able to finish this." Smash cut to several minutes of arguing whether or not a background character is Homer Simpson.
Regarding Harry Potter. In the first movie there was a kid, who's spells kept turning into explosions. I heard he was Irish. If that is true, I wouldn't be surprised if they named him something like Shaemus Potatoboom.
5:35:00 The man tried like my teammates try in video games. They slowly waddle towards the capture point using the largest road they can find before going "oh, no. There was an enemy. I was shot. What a shame. I guess the game is over now."
Feels like the "they'll take our jobs, is a writer with no life experiences incredibly shallow conception of racism. That or they were very desperate to try and cram somekind of botched immigration allegory
We always assumed Gandalf kept going to the Shire out of an honest and profound love for the hobbits, but as it turns out he was just keeping an eye on whether they'd fall back on their eugenic, caniballistic, fascist genocidal ways of yore.
If you want to nitpick, the Elf that gets shot with the arrow escaping the pit. The only place the Orc archer could be is in the tree line, which is really far away. So far away, the chances of hitting him running are very slim and the arrow would probably need to be shot at an angle towards the sky and shouldn’t have went in perfectly horizontal to the ground at his abdomen.
3:19:40 Gee... I wonder if we've seen anything before with a person seeking obscure information that moves the plot along. Oh, right. Gandalf at the beginning of TFOTR. He rides to Gondor and spends time in their libraries to find mention of a ring of power. The scene has a few cuts showing the passage of time and how many volumes he has to read before coming upon Isildur's account of the ring. Probably was half the timestamp of the ROP library scene, but conveyed better.
Just watched most of the coverage of the throwing the guards in the cell scene. Around 8 hours. Rags mentioned it briefly about them being "armed guards". When watching I had to double check the scene but they don't appear to have weapons and if they did, none of them use them. Despite beard boy saying about an armed escort, why is the politician the only one with a weapon?
Galadriel on Numanor is like that time a crazed French physicist showed up on Sark with a gun and started posting signs about how he was going to take over the island. (Yes, this happened)
8:17:35 That actually one of the things that MAKES her a Mary Sue. Enemies or opponents doesnt have to like a Mary Sue for her to be one but in many cases even they do. The story bends around the character as opposed to the character living IN the story. It doesnt have to START at a point where everyone likes her, but they all eventually will... for no apparant reason. Shes also insanely skilled at everything, in cluding things she shouldnt be and has the most EXTRAORDINALY levels of luck. Or coincidental luck, but same difference.
I think this might be the best EFAP episode because it shows the importance of having in-depth conversation which took place masterfully between Rags and LostChord. I learned so much about tolkien's universe because of that conversation. Thank you guys for engaging with each other openly and thoughtfully
I have never in my life met someone who described "Death of the Author" as ignoring the original author's existence. Absolutely of course derivatives cannot exist without the original author's creations, no one on the planet argues that. Death of the Author refers to the audience having a different interpretation than the author's intent. Is a very simple concept and the argument gave me a headache.
Why not rename it? Like, Ignorance of the Author? Denial of the Author? It sounds like, as Platoon says, they're going away completely from the story to the point very little of the original authors story remains.
“Nobody goes off trail, And nobody goes alone. Together we make our way, And together we are always home.” Something simple, infinitely better. Of course, this would only work if they weren’t evil, and abandoned their loved ones to die…
9:39:38 No, that's not the case. In the Harry Potter universe, a wand helps with the casting of magic, but it's possible for witches and wizards to cast magick without wands. It's very common for young witches and wizards to inadvertently cast magic without wands before they learn to harness magic through wands. But it's very difficult to cast most forms of magic consistently without a wand. In the books anyway. There are very few characters mentioned that can consistently cast magick without wands. I know Dumbledore and Voldemort can, and I'm pretty sure there are others, but I don't remember them.
Don’t you get it guys, Merry and Pippin tried to boil potatoes that one time so this is a franchise about land wizards meant for children. Also, efap needs to do an efap movies of Veggie Tales Lord of the Bean and compare it to the Amazon… thingy
The Numenorian ‘armor’ that you discuss ~27:30-28:50 looks to me like it’s made out of linoleum…Elendil is wearing the kitchen flooring I remember as a kid.
Rags why are u trying to argue with logic of Soundwave moving rocks and dust when its literally a fantasy magic world its supposed to be Dwarven magic same as when we saw Elrond sing and open that door in the rock wall???????
This is really good. I am 3:20 hours in so far and I hope Im not speaking too soon but there are no low blows so far. Very logical and constructive criticism. I've been following people who like to mock the show for the sake of mocking and it usually ends up being childish which started to turn off my interest because while I think there is so much wrong with the show, playground insults are a good way of discrediting your point of view. You cant fight negativity with negativity. Best way to fight it is to stay logical and in context.
@Blue Mustard If you mean the actual Amazon show, no. As far as EFAP goes, the last few episodes have been lacking as far as entertainment or information, IMO.
8:39:15 yes, seem to be the direction they're wanting to take. I'm not watching the show but from what I've learned from diff people who've seen it so far, their portrayal of a very flawed Galadriel is so glaring it must be deliberate and their planning a 'fall from grace' and reformation of character arc for her. I also suspect the Gandalf character was put in this timeline primarily to contribute in her character arc.. Mithrandir is known to be a wise guiding force in this epic, beside his other talents.
The intro with shifting sand, is cymatics - sound vibrations forming shapes - I think it’s a reference to Middle Earth being ‘sung’ into existence by the Gods, and how the Gods of old did battle through magical song.
If The Little Platoon would publish a collection of his critical bon mots it would be that rare beast: a tome of literary/narrative criticism worth your time and dime. Just the observation that a "premise for character" isn't the same as "character" is quietly brilliant.
@@ZyroShadowPony Oh wow, Im actually pretty interested in what a new/non-EFAP watcher understands about what EFAP is and what to expect! "Also welcome to the brood, try to quote everything you say as being from Bilbo Baggins or any of his close relatives." -- Wumbo Wargins
@@josephjackson9679 i know only surface level stuff like the long tangents and how 8 hour streams are minimum. This is mostly due to watching rags and jlongbone before i stumbled onto mauler. Doesnt help i enjoy creetosis streams and they are considered the furry chinese knockoff of efap (as a joke of course)
It's like they forgot the basic rule of Nerdom. People will talk passionately, or in this case, in detail, of things they're reviewing. Platoon and Rags are just doing what people do when talking about a twisted mockery of something they love. I'm just surprised it took this long. Especially when it happens when they lose one member. You'd think with four they'd have started earlier.
I like the idea of the men of Numenor just constantly complaining because they know Ar-Farabeard will show up magically with drinks. This is a weekly occurrence fellas.
Look, I'm all for pedantry and normally I think rags is the one being too obtuse, but I don't see what's so fucking difficult about "It might be magic, it might be natural, we haven't been given enough information for me to pass judgement."
What the hell is this tismy take on what "Death of the author" is? "The birth of the reader is the death of the author." It has nothing to do with the author actually being alive. It means once the story has gone from the page to the eyes of the audience, the author has "Died" and the story exists as interpreted in the heads of the audience.
The Little Platoon needs to come on the show more. It's rare for a new guest to immediately have great chemistry with the rest of the crew
"...great chemistry..." if I wasn't told he had never been on before I would have thought he was a regular.
@@Trisket right, he fits in so well I’d definitely wanna see him on more often
Yeah I have been watching his channel a lot lately and thought he would be right at home here. Great to see him making an appearance.
EFAP is the real test.
(I say as someone who is not a fan of EFAP)
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
"All shall love me and despair" wasn't supposed to be the goal for the character.
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings.
Look on my works, ye mighty, AND DESPAIR…
Nothing beside remains…”
They've certainly nailed "terrible" and "dreadful"
Multiracial Harfoots: nomadic, cut-throat, hateful towards their fellow man
Homogeneous Hobbits: settled, quaint, at peace with their fellow man
Amazon's doing great work for the cause
Amazon secretly based?
Too true! They are cutting their own throats there...
👏👏YOU JUST KEEP HITTING THEM HOME-RUNS D…Amazon!!! 👏👏
This is a great point. Cultures clash, not skin colors. The left just likes to make it about skin color because it’s an easy cop out.
it´s funny how the Harfoots and the Numenoriens, both apparently isolated people due to their "politics" are so strangely divers while the (former) followers of Morgoth are all conspicously white even so the dude probably conquered many different realms. Maybe it´s just me but somehow this doesn´t add up.
Timestamps
0:00 Goby, Goblin & Goblins
1:06 Harry Potter
5:09 Harrison Ford
6:05 Thumbnail & Jared Leto
6:59 Galadriel Joker
8:16 The Saddest Theme
19:13 The Saddest Thing In LOTR
22:33 Emotional Scenes
25:53 Videogames
30:59 The Little Platoon
32:23 Rings Of Power
33:42 Plotlines
36:44 Intro
41:19 Elfman
43:34 Galadriel
46:17 Armour
52:17 Dialogue
55:37 Landscapes
58:49 Score
1:00:34 Aesthetic & Substance
1:02:09 Nùmenor
1:06:35 The Boat
1:08:26 Foreshadowing
1:10:06 Continuity
1:11:34 Confusion
1:17:04 A GOT Parallel
1:20:03 Death Threat
1:28:31 Trust, Weapons & Deception
1:38:36 The Seaman
1:43:34 Metaphors
1:45:19 Attitude Towards Elves
1:48:24 Dialogues & The Use Of Allegories
1:59:16 Characters Out Place
2:00:16 A Show Devoid Of Levity
2:04:03 Characters Out Of Place
2:05:43 Pacing, Actions & Dialogues
2:09:38 Establishing Locations
2:16:59 The Tree
2:31:16 The Whipping Orc & The Plot Armour
2:38:06 The Axe
2:39:44 The Plushies!!!
2:41:39 The Tolkienian Scene
2:43:01 Galadriell
3:00:59 The Famous Scene
3:08:56 The Crest
3:18:46 The Library
3:27:33 EFAP Micro: The Evil Hardfoots
4:18:57 Desertion
4:25:27 All-Bran
4:27:28 History & Informations
4:35:31 The Caravan
4:47:15 EFAP Micro: The Great Escape
5:04:06 The Breakers Of Chains
5:10:27 The Warg
5:28:40 The Twig
5:32:50 Ain’t No Boromir
5:45:12 Episode Ending
5:47:00 The Plushies!!!
5:50:10 Episode 4 Intro
5:51:26 Earthquake & Tsunami
5:58:04 A GOT Parallel (2)
6:05:45 The Cringe Scene
6:19:20 Galadriallll vs Queen
6:42:24 The Road So Far
6:44:55 Sailors
6:54:08 Black Elfman
6:56:23 EFAP Micro: Fringy’s Enigma
7:03:00 Food Supplies (1)
7:07:19 Simpsons’ Tangent
7:14:30 Food Supplies (2)
7:17:50 Ninja Kid vs Orc
7:27:30 Dwarfs & Elvis
7:34:05 The Rise And Fall Of The Beard Armour
7:36:56 Secret Things
7:39:55 Secret Conversation
7:39:55 Do You Want To Know A Secret?
7:56:24 A Skippable Scene
7:57:50 Galadriellll
8:00:44 EFAP Micro: The Great Galadriell
8:43:48 Humans
8:46:05 The Kid, The Elf & The Lady
9:02:26 EFAP Lecture - Dwarfs: History, Lore & Magic
10:00:59 Death Of The Author
10:47:17 Soma
10:48:00 Loki
10:49:57 Eulron
11:16:13 Eulron & Duram
11:16:59 Lady & Elfman
11:21:16 The Kid & Creepy Old Man
11:23:44 A Funny Scene
11:25:45 Galadrielllll
11:31:48 Conclusion
"Thank you."
-Bilbo Baggins
I appreciate you
@@Kernwadi "You're welcome" - Balbo Baggins
@@lantos1632 thanks
@@cyberpunk8184 need time
That slow mo shot of Galadriel smiling feels stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread
Ah I see, you too are familiar with the famous modern artist: Berbag Burgerbunt.
Like too much bread spread over not enough butter
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
-Biglo Begans
I can't believe it's not butter!
Nobody goes off trail
Nobody walks alone
No mercy
Doby went off the trail. #PrayforDobo
@@wojak-sensei6424 lmao
"No common."
"No mercy..."
-Bilbo Baggins
@@Kernwadi “Take the wheels.”
- Bilbo Baggins
Little Plattoon has a great voice for explaining the references this show refused to elaborate on. Seems like this was the perfect stream to have had him on.
Going to be honest, idk what it is but when Treebeard comes walking out of the forest near Isengard and he sees all of scarred land always gets to me. His blank face and shakey voice before he flies into a rage. The last march of the ents. Oof..
Many of these trees were my friends. Creatures I had known since nut and acorn…
@@npc042 acorns are nuts so to specify "nut and acorn" that implies a different, funnier, kind of nut 😏
A wizard should know better!
“They had voices of their own…”
@Jacob Cooper My king moment fucks me up
“There is a tempest in me, it grows fiercer in response to emotional trauma. You can’t hurt me Bilbo!” -Guyadriel
There are two wolves in Guyadriel, but both are wargs.
Guyladriel's brother: do you know why a ship floats?
Guyladriel: nano machines son.
If you're gonna say his name, at least spell it correctly!!! xD
Galadriel: This mark is a guide for the orcs to follow.
Random Elf: Nice Observation Captain... why don't you back it up with a source.
Galadriel: My source is I made it the fuck up.
@@Lucaintheninjatank maxor reference nice
I have the same problem with the elves in this show that I had with the elves in the Witcher. They never *feel* like a different race from humans, they just feel like humans cosplaying elves in a DND game. When Galadriel fights off five guards at once with superhuman reflexes I immediately thought “bull crap. SURE she’s skilled enough to do that, why not?”
Then I realized, I would never have doubted it if she were Tauriel or Arwen or any of the elves from the movies. Not only did they show off much more of the elves’ grace and acrobatics (and they did so a lot more effectively) but they also gave the elves this ethereal, otherworldly quality and made sure that the actors they picked could pull it off. In the movies you take one look at Legolas, or Tauriel, or Thranduil, and you immediately go “yeah, that’s an elf”. Honestly I find myself almost forgetting young Galadriel is supposed to be one at all whenever she has her ears covered by her hair.
Yes. Same thoughts so I looked back, and it's the clear separation of the groups. Man, Dwarf, and Elf looked of a different time/different world. Going modern day look turns it into Modern day
Cosplay. For me it loses its seriousness and just becomes dumb entertainment.
"He who falls behind is left behind, and if they do not fall you trip them or steal their wheels." - Amazon's Evil Hippie Hobbits
Writers: "Fantasy is when characters got the big words."
Tolkien: “[Bandobras Took] charged the ranks of the goblins of Mount Gram in the Battle of the Green Fields, and knocked their king Golfimbul's head clean off with a wooden club. It sailed a hundred yards through the air and went down a rabbit-hole, and in this way the battle was won and the game of Golf invented at the same moment.”
RoP-writers: “No you can’t have fun with fantasy. Everything must sound pretentious and serve THE MESSAGE!”
Tolkien: “Haha Goblin head go whup!”
Funny enough this is something taught in various business writing/typing classes (memos and other documents)
Where you dont want to overuse big words because it gives off the impression youre trying too hard and will lose the point in the message. Youd want to use maybe 1 word to give the severity of the message. Its been years but i do vaguely remember this in my college courses.
I don't agree with Tolkien here. The battle wasn't over unless Golfimbul was the *last* goblin.
That short story had more entertainment in it thab 6 episodes of the carcass that is RoP. Thanks for the chuckle, cheers!
Is that real? jeez. That sounds like something from Pratchett. xD
The Little Platoon is one of the most insightful and well-spoken EFAP guests. A real treat! We are not all the same as him of course, but he is a prime example of the influence you have on us. Be proud of yourselves!
@@zogwort1522 Clever, thanks!
cringe
TLP rules
RoP: _humans forgot to bring food_
LotR: "We're leaving for the refuge of Helm's Deep! Do not burden yourself with treasures - take only what provisions you need!"
I really like Little Platoon. He seems like a really articulate speaker.
been enjoying his presence in different shows.
Hope he becomes a frequent guest on EFAP and grows his platform.
seems like a pretty cool dude.
Next EFAP, coverage with Little Platoon and Armored Skeptic!
Don't really care about Armored Skeptic.
I think another guest who is a LOTR expert would be better, or a media critique.
@@sparkypack is that true I would be really interested in armored skeptic being brought. Of course platoon any chance they can get aswell.
@@Connor_6 Armored Skeptic was great on EFAP 93 though
@@brandonvallier4214 Unfortunately it's not written in stone.. it would be just great to re-live EFAP 93 memories.
Rags. It is not a stretch to think that anything spoken or sung could be magical in nature.
A couple examples off the top of my head being:
Saruman. He was riffing Quenya directly to Caradhras (the mountain), as if the mountain had it's own will. He was saying for the mountain to unleash it's wrath and Gandalf was pleading with it not to. This resulted in a storm, the mountain trembling and The Fellowship heading for the mines instead.
Gollum. The reason he fell into the lava was actually a direct result of him breaking his oath to Frodo. Frodo had unintentionally cursed Gollum when Gollum swore obedience to 'the master of the precious'. It's likely to do with the Ring, but still. LOTR's magic system has some real subtlety to it. It's not just throwing fireballs or conjuring familiars etc.
I doubt the writers of ROP know any of this shit though 😒
None of those examples are in The Rings of Power, which is a separate work with a separate continuity to the books and the films. I think what Rags was getting at is that the show has presented no visuals or dialogue that unambiguosuly decree that their magic singing can move or shape rock, only that it can help them locate the positions of different ores.
@@systmerr9445 Unless you know what Quenya is, which most don't, you could say the exact same about Saruman. We see Saruman riffing Quenya, things then happen. You apparently see these Dwarves singing, things then happen.
i find the magic in LotR difficult to grasp since it´s discription is so vague. What is it based on, who can do what? is there a difference in the magic of the wizards and elves for example, since the former are essentially angels? not shure how much is explained in the Simarillion but from the main story i can only make some small observations: Amplification of natural phenomena (Storm, luminescence), telekenises (Saruman vs Gandalf fight, desroying bridges), a spectral realm (nazgul), mind control (King Theoden) and alchemy (medicine, bombs). i see these effects but not the rules behind them.
@@Tyarrk It's incredibly nuanced. The films and series could never hope to explain the magic system when it requires you to have read, not just the books, but Tolkiens letters and all that jazz. (Something I've yet to do)
@awhellnah__ it's one of the most obvious usages of cursing magic in the whole of Tolkien's creation, how the hell can you attempt to call it headcanon?
On Frodo and Sam's last fight against Gollum as they climb the mountain, Sam has a brief glimpse of the Unseen World, he sees Frodo as a tall white figure holding a giant wheel of flames (he was holding the Ring in his hands at the time in the material world).
Frodo _literally_ says "If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom." To make matters even fucking clearer, Sam's momentary ethereal vision says that the voice comes not from Frodo, but from the One Ring itself.
And what happens to Gollum? Unlike the movie version where Frodo tackles him, in the book we see described an entirely accidental slip (from a creature that is described as a master of climbing and as sure footed as a freaking elf) and Gollum goes down. He touches Frodo and instantly proceeds to be cast himself into the Fire of Doom.
1:20:00 Funny that Rags should suggest Galadriel introduce herself mentioning someone helpful to Men.
In the actual lore, her brother Finrod died, wrestling a werewolf, to save Beren when they were imprisoned by Sauron, and Beren's great-grandsons were Elrond, and Elros, the first King of Numenor.
Not only did he die saving her human ancestor, the whole reason he was even there to begin with was that, unlike some other elves at the time, Finrod deeply respected humans _and_ was shockingly OK with the idea of humans and elves intermixing. Beren came to ask his help to fulfil the absurd request Thingol (the father of the elf he loved, Luthien) made to allow the marriage to happen. They were sent on a suicide mission to steal the most desired artifact in the world literally from Morgoth's crown.
Thingol might as well have told him "okay you can marry my daughter, but only if you manage to go into hell and steal one of Satan's trident's points."
And Finrod fucking heard that and went "you know what Beren my man? I'm with you."
And yeah, he fucking died, of course he did, it was a suicide mission to begin with, but he damned well gave his all for the hope of seeing his human friend marrying an elf. It was even fucking SAURON who captured them and ordered Finrod's death, Galadriel could well say "the same creature who would have killed your ancestor, only stopped because my own brother gave his life, is back." How fucking strong of a debt of honor and blood would that be for a request!?
The only thing thumbnail Galadriel is missing is a 'Tempest' tattoo on her forehead
Galadriel isn't a person. She's an IDEA
"Tempest in a G spot" ;)
@@scottski02 Handsome HONKAHONKA
Nah it's the brandname of the tampons she uses. It's their slogan - Tempest Tampons, leaves a Tempest in you~
Saddest LotR moment for me:
"Since you are robbed of Boromir, I will do what I can in his stead." The context, combined with David Wehnam knocking it out of the park with his performance, makes that one of the hardest gutpunches I've ever experienced from a film. Faramir has endured his father's disdain for years, and he, too, mourns his brother's passing, and now he's returned to his father in defeat only for his father to rip his heart out. Faramir cracks just a little, not quite able to keep the pain out of his voice or from his face, but he holds himself together like a champ. It gets me every time.
The Rings of Power wargs look DERP as hell, Rags. I really don't get what you see in them. On top of their crap design, they look like they stumbled out of a pre-rendered PS2 cutscene and the way they move suggests the animator has never seen a dog before.
They look like a mix between a wild hog and a wolf, especially the chonkers in episode 5. I don’t hate the design but the hyena ones in Lord of the Rings are 100x better. Always thought those things looked so cool. These feel like maybe some proto-warg?
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
Saddest scene in LotR for me definitely was Theoden weeping over Theodred's grave, although Faramir's Charge is definitely a close second.
Hans my hedgehog and sonic had a baby..
I rank Faramir riding towards certain death as one of the saddest moments of the series. Juxtaposing that against an uncaring Denethor being a sloppy eater just hits home just how wrong that whole situation was.
Oh, wait, when the one Harfoot said “their hearts are bigger than their feet”, he was reading out of the old guys cookbook, wasn’t he?
It’s a cookbook! It’s a cookbook!
I thought they might be basing the Harfoots off of the Sawney Bean legend, like “the hills have eyes” was, but I think the Sawney Bean clan were much more loyal to their own kin, than the Harfoots are?
So great to see Little Platoon on, been watching his channel blow up and judging by the quality of his videos it's no surprise he's been a disciple of the Toxic Brood
Yeah, I was looking forward to it, too, but I checked in about 9 hours into the stream to hear he had no idea what death of the author was lol
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
@@cyrus2395 Everyone has holes in their knowledge. There's people who still think Australia is real.
@@cyrus2395 well he stated he's more of a literal linguist when it comes to words. I was confused why Mauler and rags didnt state the term "death of the auther" should be perceived as slang and just dive into the concept but it took them forever to abandon the phrase. I completely saw where both sides were and what each sides hang up was.
However, the conversation was amazing diving into the concepts and different concepts.
I mean both definitions they had for "death of the auther" both make complete sense. One side is using it literally while the other is using it metaphorically. I personally dislike the "common" usage of "death of the auther" simply due to the metaphorical nature of it since it is just ignoring an authers input but not necessarily all input. Ignoring all input would be a more metaphorically accurate "death of the auther".
This is simply semantics and I love conversations breaking down concepts, definitions, etc.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 You're lying
"THE SEA IS NEVER WRONG"
How bout "The sea does not compromise"
And I am not even an Amateur writer.
Hell, even "waves will fuck you up, dawg" would be better, it would at least make sense.
@@84C4 🤣 for real. Its decent advice at least.
"Drowning sucks, don't be stupid"
@@gwoody4003 "Row, row row your boat, gently down the... OH SHIT, IT'S OCEAN". Galadriel passes by doing the backstroke.
There’s a reason why across most cultures, deities related to the seas or storms are almost always portrayed as male, and are almost always extremely unpredictable, impetuous, and chaotic bordering on wrathful. Because the storms and the seas do not care about the plights of mortal men; they just ARE. So this goofy quote of “the sea is always right” is just comedically nonsensical to me. So when a hurricane comes along and brings in such a strong flood tide that it destroys your home, are you just gonna shrug and go, “Whelp! The sea is always right!”?
@@84C4 That’s why in Game of Thrones, you’ll notice that the sea and storm gods that the Baratheons and Greyjoys believe in aren’t gods they worship, but instead are gods that they respect, fear, or even outright challenge or defy in their respective mythologies. Because any real sailor worth their salt will tell you that the sea is a fickle and unpredictable mistress, and more often than not, the seas are trying to kill you rather than take you where you need to go. So where the Numenorians got this notion of “the sea is always right” is completely and utterly beyond me.
"Carrion"
What an appropriate word to start a discussion about Rings of Power.
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
I didn't actually think they'd do "We wuz Numenorians n' Shieeeeeeeet"... but they actually did. Reminder, this has always been about Taking something from Europeans, not creating something for Fans. Bankerberg-tier greed, global shipping monopolies, and old unelected oligarchs making your media... VERY very bad concept.
Carrion, my wayward son, there'll be peace when you are done...
In a moment I’m lost 🎶
Dodgeball
Queen: I think I’ll take my chances
Galadriel: Yeah you will take your chances
Queen: I know I just…..said that
Galadriel: I know you just said that
This comment makes me so happy
I read Galadriel's lines in White's voice.
Having just watched that movie on TH-cam yesterday, this comment made me laugh even harder than it normally would've.
Really cool how TLP talked about being a fan of EFAP and living the dream by being on. Love when great content inspires others to make great content and they get to share in that with those who inspired them. A rare treat from some rare folks, keep it up!
I'd like to remind everyone that they laughed at the guy who died to bees and then called him an idiot.
And then they shrug off Nori for daring to say "why survive if not for friends."
And we are supposed to love these guys.
@Joseph Wong I honestly don’t know what they were going for with the Harfoots. I can’t tell if they intended to write them as cultish barbarians to be like “see Nori is the good one for turning away from their ways!” Meanwhile sacrificing the character of every other harfoot or if the writers actually think the Harfoots are good and sympathetic and that their only flaw is that they don’t want to hide anymore? It’s so confusing but hey the Harfoots are my favorites outside of the dwarves.
At least they aren’t the elves which are the characters I just hate all of by this point and the Harfoots make me laugh at how ridiculous and psychotic they all are. They amuse me for all of the wrong reasons and it gets even funnier whenever they are given a sympathetic moment just to remember that they laughed at one of their own who died to bee stings and finished by calling him a moron.
We aren't supposed to love Harfoots. They are supposed to be an Avengers level threat
I gotta say, half an hour into the voice magic argument is the only time that I have fast forwarded an efap
props to the madlad little platoon sticking around for the full almost 12 hours
Me and my wife were discussing how Galadrial is always scowling and only smiling if she's trying to manipulate someone. Then the horse scene came and we both cracked up and were like "oh no no no continue not smiling please!"
6:38:50 Oh it would have been great if the LotR had shown a cutaway during the Saruman palantir scene "BUILD me an army worthy of Mordor" and we see Denethor seeing/hearing all this in horror with his own palantir. Even if we didn't know who Denethor was yet at that point in the story, it would make sense eventually. Maybe even have a few of the Burning of the Westfold scenes shown in the POV of Denethor's palantir while Saruman's speech to Sauron echoes through the White Keep.
It's interesting what happens when evil people try to write good characters.
Or when people who have never been hungry or truly frightened in their life write characters and the problems of food and fear don't even occur to them.
EFAP really out here spending half an hour debating the mechanics of shifting dust on a rock lol.
I loved the part where Don Lemonlas said "Arondir is my slave name. I didn't choose it and I don't want it. I am Quenta Kinte, a free name."
Don Negrolas
@@zogwort1522 🤣🤣
I think Rags is informing a lot of his opinions of the magic argument on an incomplete understand of Tolkien’s works, and LP is coming from a place of knowledge of the lore of the deeper universe. From the lens of our world, Rags would be 100% right that you should default to thinking something is more grounded in reality. From the lens of Tolkien’s world, LP is totally right that you should default to it being magic, but especially in the case of a song. The entirety of the world of Arda was created by the song of the Ainur. Songs have great power in Tolkien’s Legendarium. Yes, the rocks could vibrate by sound, in our world. But we have no reason to see this as our world. It’s not. And in the world of Arda magic is a predominant power. It is a part of everything. The trees, well they can talk to each other. How? Magic. When did you last see an Ent in our world? All of middle earth is based on magic, even the mundane everyday aspects of life. The fact that the sun is in the sky, that’s magic. The fact that life exists at all, also magic. This show absolutely has no reason to exist, it is appalling, and it will almost certainly abandon the lore of the world on which it’s based (it already very much has), but looking at it as being set inside of Tolkien’s Arda you have to accept that the rules of this world are different than ours. Even if the show will never earn that for itself by its own writing.
Its rags he needs to win at everything and snarl at everyone in his way to do so
I disagree that it’s reasonable irl to assume the rocks are vibrating because of sound, because it’s really stupid to assume someone is capable of singing loud enough to rumble a mountain
In general, no navy ever had sailors wear armor. You cannot climb sails, and most importantly, cannot swim in armor. Most navies had dedicated sailors AND soldiers, who were used to defend the ship or board enemy vessels, but I guess Númenor just has one group do both roles?
Also theyre out there during peacetime, so them wearing armor is even weirder
I enjoyed this so much I’ve listened to it twice. The first listen was a blessing as you kept me company during an entire flight from Los Angeles to London. You guys are all amazing and remind me of super fun conversations I had with my friends in college regarding the LOTR books 40 years ago. That said my absolute favorite section of your video was the respectful, emphatic disagreement/clarification of Dwarven Magic that evolved into defining soft vs hard magic systems. It’s like being 19 again with good friends who enjoy getting to the core of the truth. Really appreciate you all and don’t get jealous, but especially Little Platoon. His education, humbles me. best to you all in the New Year!!!
6:57:47 - 7:03:00 MauLer & Rag’s: “This guy looks like Homer Simpson” Fringy: “YOU CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS”
Saddest LOTR moment? Boromir's death and his chasing away of Frodo are both up there. Theoden's death is sad but fulfilling. Gives me chills every time I see it.
Boromir's death is the one thing I prefer in the movie over the book.
Saddest ROP moment? The opening, because that means the show exists.
Saddest LotR moment? Gimli wanting Frodo and Sam dead 😢.
I know Sean Bean dying is a meme, but my god did he nail that scene. The facial expressions and body language of a man determined not to die in shame.... Didn't need to say a word and you can't take your eyes off him.
@@petriew2018 Yeah. I usually roll my eyes at overblown long death scenes but Boromir's death never fails to choke me up. I think you hit it on the head when you said it's a man determined not to die in shame.
I would just like to point out the hobbit being left behind after getting stuck in the snow is actually something reused from the first episode where Galadriel wants to abandon the elf who collapsed during their journey through the mountain.
"Cabbage..."
-Bilbo Baggins
I think you're giving the writers too much credit.
"It's like poetry it rhymes."
--Bilbo Baggins
@@scottski02 "Sometimes."
-Bilbo Baggins
@@jeggsonvohees2201 You imply I think it was intentional and/or a good thing.
A Brit who has an awesome voice combined with the ability to speak concisely and interestingly for long periods... Little Platoon has that gift like mauler and totalbiscuit(rip) that's so enticing, he impressed me. Hope he becomes a regular on mauler's shows
He's like MauLer but concise.
Agreed.
Not gonna lie, I think LP has plenty of qualities, including a most suave British accent… But “as/more concise than mauler” is the last thing I’d put on my list of potential descriptors XD
@@nathanjora7627 I find them both to be very concise however platoon doesn't resort to laymen linguistics while Mauler does. This would cause some to see one or the other as more or less concise depending on linguistic preference.
I found the "death of the auther" debacle hilarious because neither side could see the problem but platoon did draw attention to it first even tho he didn't seem fully aware himself by mentioning he's more of a literal linguist. This explains his concept of "death of the auther". Where Mauler and Rags are using it metaphorically. I'm a semi literal linguist so I do find issues with the common usage of "death of the auther" myself simply because the phrase is a overly hyperbolic metaphor for ignoring some of an authers input. Where a more proper metaphorical "death" in this situation would be to ignore all of an authers input essentially killing the concept of him being the auther.
I found that entire part hilarious and the most engaging part of this entire efap.
My point on conciseness didn’t have much to do with the level of language he used and more so the amount, especially in the discussion you mentioned.
As for “catching on first”, I’ve missed the beginning of the discussion so maybe I’d agree if I knew how it started but regardless of how much of a literalist he is 1) death of the author is an expression, built for a certain purpose, it’d be expected (especially if someone who had a master I imagine related to art ? Never heard of a master in aesthetic degree before but I’d find it hard to believe it’s got nothing to do with it) that he knows about the common/intended meaning even if he disagree with the fact that this common meaning ought to be named “death of the author”, 2) he was absolutely awful at understanding anything sent his way in this discussion, even after mauler understood where the issue lied and repeatedly tried to do away with the expression to simply discuss the concepts, or even before that when he was explaining he understood LP’s definition but his and rag’s were different, he still couldn’t get out of his own conception of the thing and constantly went back to what mauler and rags had just established wasn’t the topic.
Overall a very nice guest and I don’t mind him using more words than absolutely required, but I wouldn’t say he’s “concise” anymore than any of their usual guests. Especially not in the death of t he author discussion where he lost his footing multiple times and stuttered and repeated himself, as well as going on longer than necessary when he re explained points he’d already made.
Here’s the big takeaway from the armor conversation. The show runners saw the Cuir-Bouilli that Russell Crowe was wearing in Gladiator and said to themselves, “that’s so cool! I want it on a ship.” The show runners not only don’t care about the lore, they don’t even try to make things fit into any sort of reality. It’s all about what looks cool in a single moment for them. They have no concept of time and that’s also why consistency doesn’t happen. They are a series of moments, each cool inside itself, but useless in a story.
re; 1:02:01 Men were not given Numenor as a reward for fighting with the Elves, they were given it as a reward for fighting alongside the armies of the Valar. Well, there WERE Elves in that army, but they were not the Elves of Middle Earth, they were the good Elves, who never left Valinor. The Vanyar and the remaining Noldor who did not follow Feanor into rebellion (like Galadriel, Celebrimbor and the forebears of Elrond & Gil-Galad did) came out of the West at the behest of Elrond's father, but the Elves of Middle Earth were, by that point, a spent force. They just sat on their asses on their island refuges and prayed the earthquakes would stop. It was the Men of Beleriand who rose up to join the armies of the West and contributed to the defeat of Morgoth, and in fact, the first king of Numenor was the son of a hero who slew Ancalagon the Black, the greatest dragon who ever lived in MIddle Earth.
Galadriel implying that these people live in Numenor only by virtue of fidelity to her kind is a form of stolen valor.
In fact, there was a correlation between the Men of Numenor who remained Faithful to the Valar and friends with the Elves, while their compatriots turned away from the Valar in pride and envy, but, again, the right to Numenor was not contingent upon fealty to Elves. If there WAS some sort of obligation or debt to the Elves, it would be to the Elven race or nation, of which Gil-Galad is the rightful High King, and Galadriel is the one in disobedience. If the Men of Numenor have an obligation or debt to the Elves, throwing Galadriel in jail is the right thing to do, and giving her a ship to go in the opposite direction as the High King of the Elves wanted her to go is the wrong thing.
RoP is NOT an Anglo-Saxon mythology from John Tolkien.
RoP IS designed to corrupt and co-opt his work though.
These are solid Facts that existed at the beginning of RoP's airing, and they will hold true to the end of RoP's airing.
"I agree 100%... my n-word."
-Bilbo Baggins
“Correctfully being the opposite of wrong my apex massivity”
-Deluxe Baggins
I can't wait for the Netflix adaptation of Harry Potter where Hagrid is played by Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, who has a furious gay relationship with Dobby 'Doblin' the House Elf, played by Dany DeVito. Also starring Charles Dance as Snape...
It’s a crying shame that you didn’t cast Charles Dance as Hermione
@@fluff6811 Well, we've already got Lenny Henry lined up for the role. It's what J K K Martin would have wanted for her work.
Honestly, I feel like Charles Dance would actually make a pretty awesome Snape
A homosexual rekationship with the rock and danny devito would make the show a 10/10 though
@@legatedrengr I would be very interested in his depiction
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On Rags disliking the idea of determinism in stories, it is something that was very very common at the time and especially in the narratives which inspired Tolkiens work and scholarly focus. The Northman is a modern example of such a story being pulled off right I think, Amleth’s death was preordained but the meaning and the reason why changed throughout the story until he (and me speaking as the audience) became at peace with it, finding value and meaning and self purpose in it. Killing and dying for his own reasons rather than the doom forced upon him by his father.
(Edit)Add: A few notes to add to Little Platoons knowledge with the benefit of research. The Valar didn’t destroy Numenor as they were unable to act against Man, they had to petition Eru to stop the invasion and it was one of two times (and the most dramatic) where God actually stepped in and acted directly. I would also say it is predetermined in the show because it is an event in the books, I am not aware of any such prophecy in the works of Tolkien, feel free to correct me. But as LTP pointed out Numenors downfall was entirely their own fault, though many of the righteous were spared to go and found Gondor and Arnor, but the land which had been given to them for their good works was taken from them for betraying the spirit in which it was given and for the evil they committed.
"I don't like sand..."
-Bilbo Baggins
It's a storytelling device that can be good or bad. Only reason I could think for him disliking it is his hatred for religion
@@DiceOL nah, he was just destined to be against it.
@@DiceOL Really? That's only reason you can come up with.
@@kelp7060 I dislike sad endings, but I'm not gonna rail against them because I recognize they're a neutral part of a story, neither good nor bad.
So, an example of death of the author is, the Harfoots. The authors intended them to be loving, communal people who look after each other. But in action, they're actually psychopaths and moral monsters who will actively sabotage members of their community if they cause any minor inconvenience by being injured in service to the community, and will laugh at the manner of your death.
The author created something entirely different from what was in their head. They can't speak for the creation anymore.
Of course they created it. Death of the author means the author has no control over the creation once it's made. Authorial intent DOES NOT change the traits of the finished product because intent doesn't necessarily get reflected in the work.
"Nobody goes off-trail and nobody walks alone" actually makes sense if you see it as a threat. It's not a happy "we're a fellowship, we stick together and have each other's backs", it's a sinister, cult-like "stay in line, or you will be discarded".
Yeah, Little Platoon you just belong here! You perfectly rounded out the panel. Your insight and candor made this one of the best EFAP episodes yet!
The dwarves use magic to amplify their voices, then they use nano implants in their inner ears to record the sound waves echoed from the rocks to build a tridimensional reconstruction of the ore deposits in their cyber-extended virtual cortex buffer.
7:03:50 Imagine how interesting it would be if the other elves weren't dead, and had to work with the villagers to defend the tower and it's surroundings from Adar. Imagine if Bronwyn and Arondir's relationship wound serving as a bridge between the two groups....
Imagine if this show had even halfway competent writers
If so, then those writers would have been fired and replaced with ones that would do THE MESSAGE instead.
As a longtime fan, I'm currently 4 hours into the magic moving rocks discussion and have begun to wonder if EFAP was a mistake after all.
Me too and now I am on a death of the author and I start to be a bit bored
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I am a recent listener and enjoyed the episode up until these discussions started and did not end.
Having a tempest in me is the only thing that brings me joy in life.
"Oxygen is subjective."
-Bilbo Baggins
It feels like the writers are banking on the audience having the foreknowledge that ultimately Galadriel is correct about Sauron and the resulting war, so she has every right to be as petulant and narcissistic as she is. Problem is, we’re watching her do as little as possible to convince anyone in universe of her position. She’s providing no evidence of her claims, not being at all reasonable with anyone, scorning the very idea that she should employ any degree of diplomacy, and threatening violence at every turn. That’s all nested within the rest of the show being an utter train wreck of conflicting ideals (the harfoots being the prime example) which just drags it down even further…like a stone.
Like a stone, huh… 😏
Death of the author as a concept originates from a french essay that states that the author's interpretation of their own work is not the only valid interpretation and can even be a not valid interpretation of their work. It is called death of the author, because in literature studies for the longest time the intent was to find the one true interpretation the author intended. So, in other words, rags and mauler are right death of the author means that an author can be wrong about their work.
In future, Mauler, the easiest example for Death of the Author is "if I drew a square and told you it was a circle, would it matter that I was the one who drew it?"
That makes no sense.
@@Proletariat12
Makes plenty of sense. What's giving you trouble?
@@CruelestChris
I don't see how it relates to authors. It seems too disconnected as an analogy. Is you claiming the square is a circle the personal interpretation of a piece of work?
@@Proletariat12
Well, the non-"death of the author" approach is to treat the author as having some special level of control over their work: so, for example, if JK Rowling says Dumbledore had The Big Gay, that is now true and effectively part of the work. Death of the author treats the author as simply another commentator on the work. So in my example, in the former case my authorial claim that the square is a circle means it is now a circle, while with Death of the Author you can say "no, I, as much of an authority as you on the matter, can say that is in fact a square."
@@CruelestChris
Ah, I see. Why I was confused, was because you were comparing a geometric shape that already exists as part of this world we inhabit, with a character in a story invented by an author in a world the author invented.
So it doesn't seem comparable to me, as you drawing the square is not you inventing a square, it's you copying a square that already exists.
When really, you trying to call the square a circle but it remaining a square, demonstrates that you, the "reader" of the universe, have no say in changing what the "author" (physical laws) created, and they are still the ultimate authority.
The author's intention isn't always the most satisfying interpretation of their work. Tommy Wiseau thought he was making a drama, but people only ever watch The Room to laugh at it.
Now I wanna see Tommy Wiseau in this show. He'd honestly feel at home here.
9:02:26 and 'Death of the author' discussion was the main highlight of the podcast for me. I really like this The Little Platoon guy, the way he thinks and also how there's arguments? (My vocabulary is still small so bare with me) between him, Rags and MauLer which is really interesting to me
I think they needed to talk more about magic moving rocks, the difference between soft and hard magic, and death of the author.
Rags at his worst.
@@archstanton9073 "No."
-Bilbo Baggins
They needed to talk about it earlier on so they weren't worn down by nine hours of continuous conversation.
I hope you’re memeing
@@archstanton9073 Why Rags!? Platoon was the one that wanted it fully agreed on.
Little Platoon, so cool! Thx Guys, this is terrific, You 're so kind.
At the end of episode 3 "Man this is taking longer than we thought. We might not be able to finish this."
Smash cut to several minutes of arguing whether or not a background character is Homer Simpson.
Smash cut to them spending literally a tenth of the video trying to communicate the definition of Death of the Author.
Regarding Harry Potter.
In the first movie there was a kid, who's spells kept turning into explosions. I heard he was Irish. If that is true, I wouldn't be surprised if they named him something like Shaemus Potatoboom.
His name was Seamus Finnigan, so you were close, lol
I remember him, he burned off his eyebrows and the other children mocked him
Seamus Finnegan; he kept trying to transmute water into rum/alchohol.
@@Ceyx000 and the payoff in the final film was him blowing up a bridge
"I believe Mr. Finnigan has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics."
@@ggrarl leave it to the Irish kid to start making IEDs.
More Little Platoon! The dude is brilliant, well spoken, and has good rapport with the crew. It's like having a second MauLer.
"There is a tempest in me." -- Galadriel after eating Mexican
"Looks like 'berries' are back on the menu boys!" :Blibonius Sarggons
i really love Rags abilitty to bulshit through an argument with no knowledge about the matter at hand just to not to hold the L 😂😂
5:35:00 The man tried like my teammates try in video games. They slowly waddle towards the capture point using the largest road they can find before going "oh, no. There was an enemy. I was shot. What a shame. I guess the game is over now."
the sarcasm from rags at 9:40:00 is the most perfect example of sarcasm I've ever heard
👍 👍
I really loved how Isildur didn't report a domestic terrorist because he wanted to go on the boat to middle earth
Feels like the "they'll take our jobs, is a writer with no life experiences incredibly shallow conception of racism. That or they were very desperate to try and cram somekind of botched immigration allegory
Listening to Little Platoon being completely unable to understand 'death of the author' was painful.
We always assumed Gandalf kept going to the Shire out of an honest and profound love for the hobbits, but as it turns out he was just keeping an eye on whether they'd fall back on their eugenic, caniballistic, fascist genocidal ways of yore.
If you want to nitpick, the Elf that gets shot with the arrow escaping the pit. The only place the Orc archer could be is in the tree line, which is really far away. So far away, the chances of hitting him running are very slim and the arrow would probably need to be shot at an angle towards the sky and shouldn’t have went in perfectly horizontal to the ground at his abdomen.
3:19:40 Gee... I wonder if we've seen anything before with a person seeking obscure information that moves the plot along. Oh, right. Gandalf at the beginning of TFOTR. He rides to Gondor and spends time in their libraries to find mention of a ring of power. The scene has a few cuts showing the passage of time and how many volumes he has to read before coming upon Isildur's account of the ring. Probably was half the timestamp of the ROP library scene, but conveyed better.
Best part of this efap was Maulers little chuckle when Little Platoon said seaman. Lmao
Just watched most of the coverage of the throwing the guards in the cell scene. Around 8 hours. Rags mentioned it briefly about them being "armed guards".
When watching I had to double check the scene but they don't appear to have weapons and if they did, none of them use them. Despite beard boy saying about an armed escort, why is the politician the only one with a weapon?
Oh shit youre right. Is this a place where weapons are a luxury items where even their own army cant afford them?
Galadriel on Numanor is like that time a crazed French physicist showed up on Sark with a gun and started posting signs about how he was going to take over the island. (Yes, this happened)
Yaaay! Glad you got together with The Little Platoon. He’s awesome.
8:17:35
That actually one of the things that MAKES her a Mary Sue.
Enemies or opponents doesnt have to like a Mary Sue for her to be one but in many cases even they do.
The story bends around the character as opposed to the character living IN the story.
It doesnt have to START at a point where everyone likes her, but they all eventually will... for no apparant reason.
Shes also insanely skilled at everything, in cluding things she shouldnt be and has the most EXTRAORDINALY levels of luck.
Or coincidental luck, but same difference.
8:03:25 THE GATE OF THE CELL WAS CLOSED!!! They had to open the door of the cell in the cut when G attacked them! XD
Reminds me of how the inhumans show accidentally portrayed the villian as the hero lol!
I watched the first episode with a friend and we both lost interest at the episode's end, but we both agreed that the main characters were assholes.
I think this might be the best EFAP episode because it shows the importance of having in-depth conversation which took place masterfully between Rags and LostChord. I learned so much about tolkien's universe because of that conversation. Thank you guys for engaging with each other openly and thoughtfully
I have never in my life met someone who described "Death of the Author" as ignoring the original author's existence. Absolutely of course derivatives cannot exist without the original author's creations, no one on the planet argues that.
Death of the Author refers to the audience having a different interpretation than the author's intent. Is a very simple concept and the argument gave me a headache.
Why not rename it? Like, Ignorance of the Author? Denial of the Author? It sounds like, as Platoon says, they're going away completely from the story to the point very little of the original authors story remains.
Thank you Rags I now understand exactly why my shin was so itchy yesterday. 🙏
“Nobody goes off trail,
And nobody goes alone.
Together we make our way,
And together we are always home.”
Something simple, infinitely better. Of course, this would only work if they weren’t evil, and abandoned their loved ones to die…
9:39:38 No, that's not the case. In the Harry Potter universe, a wand helps with the casting of magic, but it's possible for witches and wizards to cast magick without wands. It's very common for young witches and wizards to inadvertently cast magic without wands before they learn to harness magic through wands.
But it's very difficult to cast most forms of magic consistently without a wand. In the books anyway. There are very few characters mentioned that can consistently cast magick without wands. I know Dumbledore and Voldemort can, and I'm pretty sure there are others, but I don't remember them.
Don’t you get it guys, Merry and Pippin tried to boil potatoes that one time so this is a franchise about land wizards meant for children.
Also, efap needs to do an efap movies of Veggie Tales Lord of the Bean and compare it to the Amazon… thingy
Obviously the VeggieTales one is superior
It's a very efficient language. An entire novel can be written on a napkin
The Numenorian ‘armor’ that you discuss ~27:30-28:50 looks to me like it’s made out of linoleum…Elendil is wearing the kitchen flooring I remember as a kid.
Weeks of writing and redrafting and I could MAYBE sound like TLP does speaking off the cuff.
I appreciated Mauler’s subtle Gendry reference!! The Westeros Express definitely could have helped this show!
Rags why are u trying to argue with logic of Soundwave moving rocks and dust when its literally a fantasy magic world its supposed to be Dwarven magic same as when we saw Elrond sing and open that door in the rock wall???????
This is really good. I am 3:20 hours in so far and I hope Im not speaking too soon but there are no low blows so far. Very logical and constructive criticism. I've been following people who like to mock the show for the sake of mocking and it usually ends up being childish which started to turn off my interest because while I think there is so much wrong with the show, playground insults are a good way of discrediting your point of view. You cant fight negativity with negativity. Best way to fight it is to stay logical and in context.
I would like to nominate this episode as one of the best EFAPs in months.
@Blue Mustard If you mean the actual Amazon show, no. As far as EFAP goes, the last few episodes have been lacking as far as entertainment or information, IMO.
One of? Sure, cause I mean, EFAP 200 was three weeks ago, gonna be hard to top that.
@@vadandrumist1670 Yeah, by not counting the anniversary, I suppose I am cheating.
@@vadandrumist1670 200 was lackluster.
@@apocryphicdeath Compared to its predecessors I would agree, but it was still pretty good.
8:39:15 yes, seem to be the direction they're wanting to take. I'm not watching the show but from what I've learned from diff people who've seen it so far, their portrayal of a very flawed Galadriel is so glaring it must be deliberate and their planning a 'fall from grace' and reformation of character arc for her. I also suspect the Gandalf character was put in this timeline primarily to contribute in her character arc.. Mithrandir is known to be a wise guiding force in this epic, beside his other talents.
The intro with shifting sand, is cymatics - sound vibrations forming shapes - I think it’s a reference to Middle Earth being ‘sung’ into existence by the Gods, and how the Gods of old did battle through magical song.
So basically the Gods of old were doing rap battles?
@@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 Pretty much.
If The Little Platoon would publish a collection of his critical bon mots it would be that rare beast: a tome of literary/narrative criticism worth your time and dime. Just the observation that a "premise for character" isn't the same as "character" is quietly brilliant.
I love when they start debating about magic and you see the people in chat complaining as if they've never seen efap before lol
The EFAP experience™
Im new yet even i knew about the EFAP experience because its common knowledge at this point xD
@@ZyroShadowPony Oh wow, Im actually pretty interested in what a new/non-EFAP watcher understands about what EFAP is and what to expect!
"Also welcome to the brood, try to quote everything you say as being from Bilbo Baggins or any of his close relatives." -- Wumbo Wargins
@@josephjackson9679 i know only surface level stuff like the long tangents and how 8 hour streams are minimum. This is mostly due to watching rags and jlongbone before i stumbled onto mauler. Doesnt help i enjoy creetosis streams and they are considered the furry chinese knockoff of efap (as a joke of course)
It's like they forgot the basic rule of Nerdom. People will talk passionately, or in this case, in detail, of things they're reviewing. Platoon and Rags are just doing what people do when talking about a twisted mockery of something they love. I'm just surprised it took this long. Especially when it happens when they lose one member. You'd think with four they'd have started earlier.
I like the idea of the men of Numenor just constantly complaining because they know Ar-Farabeard will show up magically with drinks. This is a weekly occurrence fellas.
Look, I'm all for pedantry and normally I think rags is the one being too obtuse, but I don't see what's so fucking difficult about "It might be magic, it might be natural, we haven't been given enough information for me to pass judgement."
What the hell is this tismy take on what "Death of the author" is? "The birth of the reader is the death of the author." It has nothing to do with the author actually being alive. It means once the story has gone from the page to the eyes of the audience, the author has "Died" and the story exists as interpreted in the heads of the audience.