"Pointy end goes into the other man." A line from the Mask of Zorro that showed Alejandro was a complete noob at swordfighting is almost said sincerely by Galadriel, who's supposed to be a master. End me.
Nah, remember this is Amazon's attempt at competing with Game of Thrones, the Explodey ship was for the Battle of the Blackwater member-berries and this moment was for Jon 'teaching' Arya. This show is a mish-mash of scenes for muh diversity, scenes/lines poorly imitating the LOTR films and scenes/lines poorly imitating Game of Thrones.
@@emuman09 You dont get ANY swashbuckling in movies anymore ... because it is REAL and "pretty impossible to CGI". My favorite "swashbuckling and hilarity" movie is *_The Crimson Pirate_* ... with Burt Lancaster, who did all the stunts and swinging from ropes stuff himself, because he had been doing that in a circus ... together with his mute first mate Oyo.
According to the mythology Achilles was invulnerable except for the heel because that's what he was being held by when dipped into the river Styx as an infant. So he couldn't be shot through from the other side, his instep is indestructible.
Timestamps 0:00 Injuries 2:48 The Cloud (1) 4:56 Disparu 6:05 The Themes 6:56 The Length 7:58 Welcome & Let’s Begin 9:34 The Barrels 12:04 English Lesson 15:50 The Caravan 20:08 The Song & The Author 22:45 The Evil Lookers 27:12 The Orcs & The Sun 34:06 The village of twins 50:36 Another Place In Middle Earth 55:33 Horse Power 59:02 Rag’s Puns 1:00:39 Recruitment 1:02:13 Dialogues, Acting & Directing 1:08:17 The Journey 1:11:16 Stopping The War 1:15:32 All Bran 1:21:45 Plans & Stuff 1:25:12 A Good Slap 1:26:17 Dialogue & Writing 1:31:36 HOD Comparison 1:32:30 Character Objective & Scene Objective 1:33:56 References, Connections, Explanation & Interpretations 1:39:53 Trusting The Elves 1:42:25 Lack Of Commitment 1:43:43 The King & The Crest 1:49:08 The Cloud (2) 1:50:00 The Wolf 1:52:41 The Evil Hardfoots 2:02:17 Mario vs Wolves 2:03:17 The Training 2:45:08 The Unknown Pivotal 2:54:04 The Sea Is Always Right 2:57:12 Politics 2:58:50 The King & The Queen 3:00:30 Plotlines 3:06:53 The Hardfoot & The Wizard 3:13:47 The Table 3:27:42 Story & History 3:38:12 Mitral 3:42:14 The Evil Goo Three 3:51:22 An Oath Made Of Oats 3:52:30 A Filler Scene 3:57:48 The Ships 4:34:40 Repercussions 4:38:07 Breaking The Oat 4:41:52 ISIMYNIWLTMY Scene 5:03:23 A Genuine Human Moment 5:06:02 A Genuine Human Sacrifice 5:08:10 All Along The Watchtower 5:19:05 Ladygirl & Elfman 5:28:50 The Raw Meat 5:36:46 The Missed Opportunity 5:38:05 The Army 5:53:02 Closing the Coverage 5:54:13 The Guests 6:06:08 Fringy’s Drama 6:07:10 Halloween 6:08:52 Superchats 8:51:31 Plans 8:54:18 Closing EFAP
Well, according to the Greek mythology, Achilles was supposed to have been dipped into a pool of invincibility and held by his ankles; which is why they we're not invincible. So nothing should be able to penetrate his skin anywhere other than his ankles. (It has been discovered by replies that it was the River Styx he was dipped in and that there are other versions of the mythos that include invulnerable armor rather that the supernatural coating. The edits to the main post are only to correct grammar and spelling; in order to maintain the original intent of the post. The facts learned later were not put into the edit as it would not have reflected my thoughts at the time as accurately. Thank you.)
@@sirswissmcgristle5413 That's the later version, originally Thetis covered him in ambrosia and then burned him in a fireplace (holding him by the ankles) to destroy his mortality, but never finished the job because her husband yelled at her to stop.
I like the depiction in the Troy movie, where he wasn’t technically invincible. He would just automatically dodge every attack not hitting his ankle. Which I thought was hilarious, auto dodge chance on 99% of attacks.
An army member with the rank of lieutenant would normally lead a platoon of men. However, it can also mean second in command or chief helper. Like Sauron was Morgoth's lieutenant and the witch-king was Sauron's lieutenant.
in primitive army structures a Captain led a unit and he might have a few lieutenants to help him out. Unit sizes weren't standardized. In fact some books on war said you should never have uniform sized units so the enemy couldn't count units and get the exact troop counts.
Addressing 2:20:47 and onwards, that scene where Galadriel “trains” the men infuriated me to no end while watching it because it shows exactly how little the writers understand how military cohesion and leadership works. She basically belittles them for being rookies, says she’ll take on all of them at once in order to “teach them what it means to fight Orcs,” does little else but use her agility and skill to trip up the rookies while egging them on with their shortcomings. Anyone else remember in Game of Thrones when Jon was the best swordsman amongst the Crow recruits, and I think it was Commander Mormont or some other XO who warned him that simply beating his teammates over and over again without being constructive would lead to them hating him in the future, and that instead of just beating them Jon should actually help INSTRUCT them to fix their mistakes? And when Jon did this, it would be the sword skills he taught them that kept his closest friends alive all the way up until the final season?! THAT’S how you train your lessers. THAT’S what it means to be a leader.
That's the problem. The writers are just awful evil people so they cannot even understand or use logic to put those things together! I hated these scene exactly for same reasons but I don't know how army works - I assume this how in general you teach anyone anything - from riding a bike to cooking. Omg, this is really bad
The other problem is having a mass of newbs flailing about at a person in the center is a great way for them to maim each other when she dodges or evades a blow.
@@verazollinger6862 You don’t need to know a lot about how the Army functions in order to understand the differences between a good leader and an incompetent leader.
so then when you file a report about a victim who WAS fatally shot in the dick and only the dick, would you then write "Victim suffered fatal bullet wound to dink, leading to profuse wang blood loss, also shot in dick"? 'cuz that'd be CONFUSING.
If i were writing Galadriel leading an army, it wouldn't be putting her up with foot soldiers and teaching them to gut... I would show her communicating with the armorers and smiths, planning for provisions with the merchants, fisherman and farmers... I'd show her cozying up to nobles to raise coin to build ships, siege equipment, and fund the war effort. Then I'd show her speaking to captain's and going over the travel plans and where the stops are, maybe establishing a spymaster who she communicates with to get information about where the enemy is now and what paths they can take. Or we can show her embarrassing some dudes in a fight that means nothing and provides no other information.
I think the former was beyond their skill level to write, so that’s why we ended up with the latter. You can only expect so much from a writing pool consisting of what seems to be 10 year old children from the quality of writing.
The only thing missing in your outline is that Galadriel would be Numenorian, instead of a bitchy elf in a country that literally sacked it's king for liking elves too much. Honestly, the ridiculous street sword fight is the tip of the iceberg with the problems in this narrative.
Beyond the awful dialogue/"proverbs" and the butchering of the lore, my biggest gripe with this show is that so many characters are just using each other. None of the friendships or romantic relationships feel genuine, they'll SAY they are and then immediately turn around and try to talk the other person into doing what they want. It feels less like LOTR (books or movies) and more like a typical American drama show with fantasy dressing. T_T
The characters have no idea how to interact with other people, and I will not be surprised at the end if Amazon reveals that an AI wrote the entire thing.
They tried to copy Game of Thrones. Even though the concept is so difference. GoT is about political agenda, the struggle for power and how pointless they are against apocalypse. LOTR is about moral compass. Good vs evil.
For the 1/5 vs 1/25 thing, the answer is 1/5. The first choice could have been any of the ships, but for the second one to be the same ship it does have to be whichever one the first one already chose. Let me lay it out like this, perhaps it will help. If I ask “What are the odds that both of them choose ship #4?” then the odds are 1/25, as they both have a 1/5 chance of choosing ship #4. But if I ask “What are the odds of them choosing the same ship?” the odds are 1/5, as the specific ship that they both choose doesn’t matter. Therefore there are 5 scenarios in which they could both choose the same ship (they could both choose #1, both choose #2, etc.) out of 25 possibilities. So the probability is 5/25, or 1/5. Sorry, just felt I had to clear that one up lmao
Regarding the repeated extras: It's the fact that this show was so expensive and extras relatively cheap to hire for a few days. And that it's a pretty small, close-up shot where tricks like that are going to easily noticed by audiences.
This exact thing Galadriel pulled 2:10:00 is an event in a game I love to play, "Your marshal has been fighting the recruits instead of training them, what do you want to do [player]?" Your choices are to fire/imprison them or suffer a large army penalty. Since it's -Mary Sue- Galadriel doing this, I assume the result is 'leave her be and all soldiers improve.'
"She-Hulk doesn't have world ending reprecussions" Finale comes out, she gets to talk to the writer's room, can convince them to write the world to be less full of villain's...doesn't...uses said power to get out of the consequences of her actions instead They really did want to outdo each other didn't they
On the point of "Numenor should probably have more ships," might I just say, the fleet they sent to fight Sauron was big enough that he surrendered because he knew that the entirety of Mordor, his Nazgul and all men he had conquered would not be enough to defeat them. Ponder on that. This was a better fortified and prepared Mordor than the one that we saw in the beginning of the Lord of the Rings. And Sauron knew, for a fact, he stood _zero_ odds against the ships the Numenorians sent. But no, yeah, 5 ships, that's enough, sure.
@@XraynPR he surrended intentionally knowing he could corrupt them, but it _is_ made explicitly clear that he would have much rather just fought and won but he had to recognize, just seeing the fleet, that the entire combined might of Mordor and himself _with_ the Ring wouldn't be enough. He surrended on purpose because he saw a path to victory doing it, all the while recognizing that he would have absolutely 0 chance of winning otherwise
@@XraynPR I hate myself for even saying this but maybe, MAYBE there is still time to do that. All of what I said happened after the One Ring was first used, and in the show it hasn’t even been built yet. The way things went, Sauron helped Celebrimbor create the main 19 rings, powerful artifacts to manifest the weak influence elves had on the Unseen Realm into the real world (9 that fought against mortality for humans, 7 that manifested good economic luck for dwarves, 3 that helped purify and rejuvenate nature for the elves), and nobody knew he had created a sort of programming backdoor on them to force their users to obey the One Ring. Sauron eventually used the One Ring, expecting its power to turn every other ring bearer into a slave of his, but only the human ones actually worked. Dwarves turned decidedly evil and cruel through theirs, but not obedient to Sauron, and the 3 elvish ones didn’t even do that much. Once his betrayal was known, his plot to subtly control everything came down and he had to do it through war instead. This was the war the Numenorians eventually decided to join which lead to his surrender, only when so much of Middle Earth had been conquered that their colonies started to be threatened. The show has already fucked almost every possibility of any of this happening but there is still SOME chance we will see Middle Earth fall to the war with Sauron and Numenor decide to intervene in the future. But with the starter we had, hopes aren’t even low, they’re damn negative =(
So, to help explain the chances on the whole meet-on-the-same-boat situation. First, let's make clear what we are trying to figure out. There are 5 ships, ship A through ship E, and 2 people who will randomly pick one of the ships. Each ship has an equal chance to be chosen, so 1 in 5. What are the odds both of them chose the same ship? First, how many possibilities are there? Well, they can both pick ship A, let's call that possibility AA. The first can choose ship A, then the second can choose ship B, or AB. This gives us 5 * 5 = 25 possibilities, laid out below: AA, AB, AC, AD, AE BA, BB, BC, BD, BE CA, CB, CC, CD, CE DA, DB, DC, DD, DE EA, EB, EC, ED, EE Now the question was: What are the odds both of them chose the same ship? That are our criteria for a success. But they can meet on any ship. So not just AA is a success, but also BB, CC, DD and EE. Which gives us 5 successes with 25 possibilities. Or a 5 in 25 chance, or a 1 in 5 chance.
Or you could just point out that the probability is severely lowered to near certainty if one of the ships happens to be easier to sneak onto. That wouldn't even be something they'd actually need to establish. Both of them sneaking onto the same ship was actually the only thing I *didn't* find ridiculous about that scene.
Platoon is a great addition, so pleased to have discovered this dude recently. Shad and Disparu are great too, but theyre already part of the family lol
4:06:30 Rags would be correct if there was something special about the ship itself. There are 5 identical ships. Person A chooses one of them. Now it's ship X. Now there's a 1\5 chance that the Person B also picks ship X. A hypothetical situation where Rags is right: There are 5 ships. One of them transports special convenient cough-inducing powder. Person A choses this ship (1\5 chance). Person B also choses this ship ((1/5)^2=1\25).
I really enjoy Little Platoon's discussions with the boys, his understanding/presentation of things is very " firm roots, flexible branches" if that makes sense. Excellent guest.
So this Adar guy's evil plan is a cross between the sun blocker of Mr. Burns, and Yzma's original plan back when "The Emperor's New Groove" was still called "Kingdom of the Sun" and she wanted to, as the song says, "Snuff Out the Light" Also... Herb Woman: We either fight the orcs or die! Random Woman: Are those the only choices? Old Smelly Dirty Guy: I have a cunning plan! We join Sauron. Villagers: ...
It’s funny being a scientist who deals with probability and statistics a lot to hear the argument about probability at 4:08:00. For the record, Fringy and Disparu were right. The probability of one person choosing the same ship as another person takes the choice of the prior person as a given. It is not factored into the probability of the other person’s choice because the two choices are independent, so when the second person makes their choice, only the probability at the moment of their choice matters. It’s like how if you roll a die and get a 1 seven times in a row, the probability of the next roll being a 1 is still 1/6, even if the probability of getting eight 1s in a row is 1/(6^8). Now, if only one of the ships had oil on it, and the two people happened to both choose that single ship out of the five, then the choice the first person makes actually does matter. They cease to be independent, because the first choice has to pick a particular ship instead of any ship. Independence is a tricky concept, the confusion is understandable.
To stay on a horse in combat takes a lot of leg strength, especially before stirrups were invented. There was a skirmish in the Punic wars where the historian notes every single man there (a few hundred on each side or so) fell off their horse.
"There's a light at the end of the tunnel with She Hulk and Rings of Power ending" That light was an incoming train. The trifecta of Witcher BO, Willow, and Velma
2:19:00 "How high is lieutenant?" I'm glad someone's finally asking this question in particular. The thing is, it's not about specifically just how high the rank is, the issue is that, in the ground forces, lieutenant is going to be the lowest Commissioned Officer rank. That means you don't get promoted to lieutenant, you get officer training/officer school and start as a lieutenant. If this was ground forces ranks, which makes sense since the training here is basic training and not command training, then these guys should be promoted to LCpl/Corporal/Specialist/Sergeant/Master Sergeant/Other high-rank-sounding-Sergeant-Title. But let's just say a CO can be promoted by winning a swordfight... okay. Since this is Numenor, then they might be using naval terms. That puts Lieutenant above Ensign, so these could be officer cadets who will be made Ensign, but the one who wins the fight starts as a Lieutenant. Now we have to ask the question as to why you're training officers in swordfighting, and judging them on that, instead of leadership abilities or strategy, just like Rag's points out.
In very old days there were few officers in a unit, the commander was a Captain, he had a Lieutenant as a second in command and there were Sargeants leading subunits.
This also depends on the rank structure being used- Lieutenant in Medieval times could actually be a very high rank, equivalent to a General officer today. In Lord of the Rings, the second in command of an army is sometimes referred to as a Lieutenant. Also “Sergeant” had a different meaning in Medieval armies- “sergeants” was how one referred to full-time troops in the direct employ of the nobility. They were distinguished from levied troops who were essentially conscripted soldiers. The modern rank of sergeant doesn’t really have a consistent Medieval equivalent, as units were basically always led by officers (knights and the nobility).
@@lordvarrax5060 I don't think Lieutenant can ever be a high rank. a) The ranks are translated already for the audience and so they are the modern depictions of rank, because why would Numenor linguistically develop the similar term lieutenant? b) If we take the word at its face, lieutenant is given "tenancy in lieu of the captain" or as the Brits pronounce it as left-tenant, the left-tenant is "left in command of the platoon." It has always meant "junior officer" underneath the captain, the "true leader" of the ship, or of the platoon. That's also why there are things like Lieutenant Colonels, or other positions that start with Lieutenant; they are always officers under other officers. Probably even with the history of the platoon and the company coming from firing in ranks, you would probably not leave overall command to a lieutenant. c) But overall even with medieval history, or 19th century warfare history, the concept of the lieutenant being an officer will still enforce that the lieutenant is essentially a lower-rung officer, but an officer nonetheless. A sort of minor nobility but also minor responsibility position.
@@afelias a) Tolkien specifically refers to Gothmog as the “Lieutenant or Morgul”, and shows that he’s second in command of the armies of Mordor at Pelennor. I believe he also refers to others in similar positions but I can’t recall off the top of my head. Hence, “Lieutenant” as the second in command of a whole army already exists in Middle Earth. b) Richard, Duke of York held the title of “Lieutenant of France” during the Hundred Years war, and later also held the title of “Lieutenant of Ireland”. This was a position that basically granted him power over all English activity in the country. You could see it as a predecessor to the more modern term of “Lieutenant General”, but it remains that it was the title that he was granted, and how his office was referred to. I could probably find other examples of similar titles but that’s one I can think of off the top of my head. c) Definitely agree, once the term Lieutenant became standardized in its usage at around the end of the Medieval period/the beginning of the Renaissance period that was what it meant. But prior to that it did have different meanings- if there’s one thing I’ve learned from studying the Medieval period, it’s that one word could have numerous (and sometimes very different) meanings depending on what region, time, and even specific social context it was being used in.
Gil-galad the boomer: Back in my day we walked to school on an even plane both ways because the world was flat... You young whippersnappers and your sphere.
2:40:20 I thought it's what MauLer was going to talk about, but jeez, look how insanely brighter the place becomes between the close-up and the next shot! BTW, I've really been liking The Little Platoon in these streams a lot, I hope he shows up often going forward!
Elendil's helmet isn't necessarily a bad design in general but it IS a terrible design for his role and actual combat. His helmet is based on the Gondorian Fountain Guard helmet seen in LOTR. It's meant to be more ceremonial.
To me, the worst part about RoP is that the plotline is so bad that we REALLY notice the little inconsistencies normally in the background. Like the huge lack of horses being boarded while EVERY SOLDIER has a horse in the battle
So, Isildur has, at every opportunity, shown a complete lack of discipline, even to the point of deliberate sabotage. Even when he saves Pharazon's son, the excuse Isildur gives him makes it sound like they were at the harbor separately...and Isildur wasn't in the "fishing skiff" with him...so what was known saboteur Isildur doing at a harbor...where two ships were just sabotaged? Ah, but I forgot. "One of the casks must have gone up." Because oil or wine are both known for being so unstable. Were they casks of nitroglycerin? Now, suppose his son asks Pharazon to put Isildur into the expedition as a reward and partly to hush things up, and the people who actually know him distrust him enough to only trust him with mucking the stables. Somehow Isildur gets in Miriel's good graces on the voyage and is put in her guard. Well, they couldn't trust him to be left with the boats. Ships, sorry, ships! Then they are engaged in serious battle and little ki- um, Isildur starts getting fidgety and impatient and generally displaying his complete lack of necessary soldierly discipline. Yet the *field commander's* response to this IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE is to basically say, "Okay, you're ungrounded. Go play with the other ki- um, go...go ahead and join the battle." Also, do they realize that by giving him that scene with Miriel, they low-key dissed Miriel by having Isildur impatient at being "sent away with the women"? Ah, wait. Maybe Miriel was expecting such an undisciplined hooligan to get himself killed and sending him in was her punishment for his misogynistic attitude.
It's not the damage to the front of the foot that mattered. It's the damage to the heel. Achilles could take 20 arrows to the foot and get bonus damage to his kicks.
4:08:00 ...It's 1 in 5 Not in 25. Wtf guys ... There are 25 different 'outcomes', yes, but 5 of them are them being on the same ship, since in doesn't matter which ship they're both on. 25/5=5
The odd thing with the Numenorean armours is that you can clearly tell that the costume designer clearly overthought their design, tying the deisgn way too hard into the maritime aspect of Numenorean society while also trying to fit it into a sort of "predecessor design" to Gondors plate armours. Like so many aspects of this show, it just frustrates me, with how easy they could have fixed it or at least or make it look less bad, and it's even on screen: Halbrands armour is basically the same type of lamellar armour, but the individual scales are blank metal. That would have made it so much better instead of the weird white stuff.
Good on Fringy and Disparu for not backing down on the probability argument. It truly was a variation on a fundamental conundrum people have when first learning how to handle probabilities mathematically, which is the tendency to double up conditions that are in fact the same condition just from different perspectives, but no differentiation of the test is present. If Rags and LittlePlatoon wanted their 1/25 chance, an example of how that might happen would be if there were 5 places on each ship that could be hiding spots, only one of which was near the exploding barrels. Then the probability becomes 1/5 chance the correct ship is picked * 1/5 chance the hiding place picked was near the barrels. Then it could be a 1/25 scenario. That said, what they later talked about is true too, that through utter contrivance, there are many other unlikely probabilities unexplored apart from the correct ship probability that must have come true to allow this dumb scene to happen.
Nooooo, you suck at math - Google it instead of just assuming you were always right. I passed statistics in college, this is the first thing they teach you - if there are 2 variables, both 1/5, you have to multiply them and subtract the overlap if any.
On the conversation of blacksmiths and sword usage. I would actually believe the one smith Galadriel is familiar with, Celebrimbor, has zero knowledge of sword usage in this show
I hope Mauler helps Shad and Disparu watch their shows through VLC so they can do frame by frame. If Shad had frame by frame analysis of the training fight scene it would have driven him even further up the wall
Little Platoon is like a bridge between academia and internet criticism. He has a good understanding of the theory behind certain ideas. I like EFAP’s practical approach to ideas like Death of the Author but I also appreciate knowing where the idea came from.
You know what was a legitimately good fight scene where one opponent massively outclasses the other? Troy: Menelaus vs Paris. Our boy Brendon totally schools little Orlando and it works, because at this point Paris needs outing as an overconfident young whelp. Moreover we're not supposed to like Menelaus - he's a pr***, and gets what's coming to him minutes later. But it's a good fight, and achieves everything it sets out to.
Yeah, they look like they were inspired by entelodonts (otherwise known as "hell pigs"). But nobody seemed to have a problem with the Boston Terrier based warg either.
One thing that I take issue with about this show (besides acting/script) is that the show writers fundumentally do not understand how big Middle Earth is. The Area of Middle Earth is about 3 Million SQ. Miles. The region of Mordor is about 240,000 Sq. Miles (about 518,000 Sq. Kilometers). How are a few hundred troop supposed to find the village in the allotted time?
Even the fucking Ring Wraiths that don't need to eat, sleep or even rest took days and days to get to the shire from Mordor. And they knew exactly where they were going. You shouldn't expect a billion dollar TV show to explain such things in the short time of the 6 hours of time they've had to fill tho.
Both how large ME is and how slow travel was with dirt roads, off road travel, no dredging of rivers thus making the difficulty of travel hugely harder.
It really bothers me that they named Elanor what they did. Sam’s first born, a daughter, was named Elanor after the Elanor flowers of Lorien.. are they going to say they named the flower off of this Elanor? 😬
A little addendum: There are 25 outcomes for Isildor and the other idiot choosing a ship, which is probably how Rags got to 1/25, but on 5 of these outcomes they will be on the same one (In one outcome they will both be on ship 1, In the second one they will both be on ship 2 etc). So 1 / ((5 * 5) / 5), back to 1/5 as Fringy said.
2:20:00 I think it's a trope for recruits to be offered a reward if they tag the drill sergeant, but if it is a promotion, it should just be to squad leader or corporal. I think it happens in the first Halo novel, child John-117 becomes squad leader by winning a game.
4:10:00 IDK if they come back to this because I haven't finished, but this portion of conversation is a bit maddening. FRINGY IS CORRECT. You roll to see where the first guy is placed, but that doesn't affect the odds at all. It just determines the starting/control condition. It doesn't matter what his placement is, just that he has a placement. It's then 1-in-5 that the second guy chooses the same ship as the first guy. The ONLY way it multiplies is if it matters which ship the first guy is on. As in, there's a specific target ship - the captain's ship or the only ship with explosives or something and it's unclear which one it is, but they need to end up on it. As presented, it doesn't matter what ship they're on, just that they're on the same ship. So, it's 1-in-5. Further, going by MauLer's added clarification that the first guy could be on either of the two ships (they don't need to be on the same ship, they just both need to be on an exploding ship), that just makes it even more likely that the second guy will choose the "correct" ship because there are now two "correct" ships. The odds are now 2-in-5. In other words, it went from 20% chance to 40%. Basically, I would say that the odds aren't strong, but they're not terribly weak just based on these parameters until other factors are added in (such as timing).
I love random film theory's breakdown of this part and how he just blandly states after the whole exchange, Durin got a table. He essentially bullshitted himself to getting a new dinner table for really no reason and now has to bring it back to moria somehow.
Pharazons actor and the look of the character is exactly what I imagined 20 years ago when I read it. Back then was when I also chose my online name haha.
Watching EFAP makes me realize that a really good story should never have a shortage of really interesting scenes, and a good writer should have the problem of trying to fit in all of the really interesting stuff in a reasonable time, rather than trying to pad out their story with empty calories. They sit here and just spitball a bunch of really interesting scenes off the top of their head, and talk about all of the reactions that we should get to witness.
Funny coincidence, this. I was just playing Battle Brothers, and in that game a Farmhand-turned-sellsword realised that his father's technique for baling hay is applicable to gutting men as well, and it's way more appropriate(I'd even say, sweet) to see a farmer's son learn the "stab-twist-gut" technique in that game than whatever this show is doing.
For the the ship probability argument at 4:12:17 , the probability both dudes picked the same ship would be 1/25, but the probability that other guy would pick the first guys ship is 1/5, since that choice was already made
4:09:53 - So Disparu is right. The problem should be defined as one dude already chose a ship and another needs to roll that ship. Either that or look at the problem as though each ship has two slots to fill and what are the odds that both are filled. That would be 1 out of 5 times 1 out of 5 for each of the five ships. Therefore 5/25 which is 1 out of 5!
To be generous the erroneous answer of 1/25 makes intuitive sense if the person is trying to guess which of the Ships they will both choose rather than correctly calculating if both parties will make the same choice.
No, take statistics or sit down - fucking everyone on the internet just "knows" what makes sense without asking a phd. Stop assuming you know everything just "because".
Rags is actually right by accident during the discussion on horses. And army would bring several times more horses than horse riders. The Mongols, for example, typically had three to every mounted soldier.
That varied heavily between forces and eras - the Marian legions had only two attendants and one pack mule per eight fighting men, for example. An early modern army would need a great many extra pack animals for the siege train, but the massive growth in infantry forces back to the sizes claimed in ancient times and the reduction of the role of cavalry (at least in western Europe) meant the number of horses didn't grow as much as might be expected. Certinly, there was nothing like the extreme ratio the Mongols had.
@@FlyingNinjaish he said multiple horses for each rider. Not multiple horses for each soldier. Since all the numenoreans we saw were cavalry they should have had many more horses than shown.
Wait, is the old guy who wants to join Sauron really named Baldrick? I thought they were just making a Blackadder reference. Adar: What is your name? Baldrick: My name is Baldrick, My Lord. Adar: Then I shall call you...'Baldrick' Baldrick: ...and I shall call you 'My Lord', My Lord
The impervious skin is a later legend. In the Iliad, Achilles while sulking in his tent "on strike" lends his armor to his friend Patroclus, who goes on a rampage but is eventually killed in action and the armor stolen. Achilles burns for revenge but as to ask his mother to beg the Gods to give him a new outfit so he can fight. He does and kills Hector, and desecrates the body but his rage dies when King Priam sneaks out of town to beg him to let him bury his son. He gives back the body and loads the kings with gifts in the most memorable part of the poem to ancient authors. So in an EFAP way, if Achilles was invulnerable, why not go out with heel cap armor alone? Why does he need a suit?
So the thing with the CGI extras. It's bad that we notice it so obviously. When Peter Jackson used CGI for his massive-scale battles, everyone was expected to look more or less the same because they'd all be among a couple of factions that- in a massive battle like that -it would be necessary to tell friend from foe apart quickly in all the chaos. All the humans wore similar armor, all the elves wore similar armor, all the orcs more or less wore the same kind of gear. But because of the diverse nature of this crowd, how close we are to them to make out clear details and that really there isn't that many here to gather so the repeat pattern is a lot more obvious, it all just seems extremely lazy by comparison. Training scene with Warrior Galadriel reminds me of like... how you write a character you think is cool when you're like 12-13. When you're an adult, you're supposed to realize how lame and nonsensical that is and actually write something better, especially if you do it for a living.
If I remember correctly, the ending to inception can only make sense if the top were to fall. If the top were to remain spinning, then I believe that means DiCaprio is still dreaming. But the only element of his character is that his girlfriend killed herself because she thought that 'real life' as DiCaprio knew it was actually a dream. So if the top remains spinning at the end of the film, that would mean that he was actually in a dream, and his girlfriend isn't dead. Surely his girlfriend would have woken him up if when she died, she actually just woke up to 'real life.' Haven't seen Inception in years, so I would love to see an Inception EFAP movies. I'm convinced that that film does not hold up.
It holds up pretty well, though Ellen Page being there sort of distracts you when you consider all of her mental issues in real life. I do like how when the wife kills herself, they have her somehow jumping out of a window in the opposite building, adding a sort of dream-like quality of spatial incongruity to the scene. The issue with the spinning top at the end is that DiCaprio just got trapped in his own subconscious trying to find Ken Watanabe who died in the upper layer of dream, and might just be dreaming that he succeeded and got to go home again, not that he was always in a dream the entire film. Though the best part of "Inception" is realizing that it's a knockoff of a DuckTale's comic from the early 2000's where the Beagle Boys use a small device to enter Scrooge's dreams and try to steal the combination to his vault. It even has a dead girlfriend haunting Scrooge's dreams.
After the fifth full viewing, I am confident that we are seeing Cobb altering his reality to match his deepest desire (to be with his kids), lost in his subconscious. He’s aware that it was a likely possibility, but a risk he had to take since if Saito dies he’ll be arrested at the airport. The main clue for me isn’t even the top. It’s the transitions from scene to scene. How everything seems to skip from one place to the next, almost bewildered about how he got there, until he arrives at the family home where he last saw them. It’s almost habit at this point to check if he’s in reality, but the top isn’t his check. It’s his wedding ring. Using the top is symbolic, but utterly useless to determine if he’s in the dream because the properties of the top were fabricated by him to trick Mal into leaving the dream world. Whether the top falls or keeps spinning is irrelevant. It’s a red herring to distract the viewer. Not that it matters because as soon as he hears his children’s voices he ignores the top and runs to them. I think top also serves as something for the camera to focus on, because the film deliberately doesn’t want to show us a clear image of him with the kids, that most of the audience will attribute importance to and worthy of holding the camera. Mal tried to convince him that what was “real” or a “dream” didn’t matter, because what mattered is that they would be happy together. That’s the mindset he succumbs to at the end of the film, when he realizes that Saito is dead and he’ll lose everything if he surfaces with everyone else. It’s not a conscious choice he makes, but rather something he allows himself to forget.
@@Rokumasu853 Something I've always wondered, if the top is Mal's totem, would it even exist in a dream world without her? Or is the totem also manufactured by Cobb's subconscious in his dreams, since he believes she's dead already, but can't let her go? And if by the end of the movie, he has let her go, why would he have the totem in the dream?
@@25meip Technically, every totem in the dream is fabricated. The important thing is that no one other than you can replicate it as exactly as you can, because no one knows it as well as you do. That’s how you know whether some one is trying to trick you or not. My memory is a little patchy since it’s been awhile that I’ve last sat down and watched it. I’m not as confident to make any definite points on the totems.
@@Rokumasu853 That's kinda what I mean though. The spinning top is not Cobb's totem. He never uses his own, whether by necessity or by choice. But after he finally let's Mal go, why would his subconscious continue to create her totem? IE Shouldn't just seeing the top prove it's the physical world and not the dream world?
My wife and I are struggling through episode 3 and we wonder why galadriel would say that thing about peasant rags chafing halbrand (being the reason he's imprisoned) and the following lines. It's so out of her character
She's trying to get him to claim this mythic King of the South title, so the chafing of lower class clothes is in the pride alone. Its just getting him to back her play.
Imagine the guys hiding on the ships were represented by dice: First guy first die, second guy second die. Now for both to end up on the same ship, they'd both need to roll the same number. First guy rolls a one, second guy has to roll a one. First guy rolls a two, second guy has to roll a two now. And so on. Like this we would get 25 possible combinations out of which 5 are "hits" where both choose the same ship. Which adds up to 5/25=1/5. Which shows the first roll doesn't really matter, because the only "chance" is for the second roll to match the first.
Skeletor voice: You'll never defeat my minions with their parasol Galadriel, nehehe! Also with regards for the line delivery, Calculon from Futurama comes to mind. "Dramatic...............................PAUSE!
In real life guilds, in order to graduate from journeyman status and become a master craftsman, you had to create an object and present it to the guild leadership for approval as proof of your skills. This is where we get the term "masterpiece" - the piece you craft to become a master. So perhaps Pharazon's favor was simply to get him an audience to demonstrate his skills. Basically, even if he has pissed off the guild members, if he's got the skills, they are probably going to want to coopt him and have him paying dues, rather than working in the black market as competition to undercut them. It's one thing to say "get the F off our island" to some homeless castaway, but when he has the patronage of the top politician in Numenor, you can look past the reasons to be annoyed at him in order to get both his skills and his connections at court on your team. Another thing is that the guild crest is not your membership credentials, but a pass to use the guild forges. So when he swipes the crest in a prior episode, he wasn't being so stupid as to think he can bluff his way as a member of the guild, but rather he could present the crest as evidence that guildsman gave him permission to use the forge, and then work his way in. So in the scene here, where he is working the forge with a crest, he could, as the panel suggests, be working on his application masterpiece, and is wearing the crest just for this job, that is, it signifies he has permission to make the attempt, not that he is a guild member yet. Really, when you get right down to it, his major crime was wanting REALLY BADLY to get into the guild. It's not like he was setting up shop as an independent. All of this, BTW, is not to defend the show, because I am not being paid to come up with this stuff, they are, and it is their job to make all this explicit to the audience, instead of relying on the audience to headcanon it all up.
when Jane met Tarzan, that was an acurate display on how adult humans learn speaking. Tarzan obviously wasn't stupid, he just didn't know human communication. Gandolf the NOT, is diffinately not giving me that vibe.
The biggest thing that is missed with the fleet sabotage, aside from those casks being filled with gasoline, as that even in port, those ships would still have crew aboard and men on watch every hour day and night. He wasn't doing his stunt without getting caught.
If you were to number the ships 1 to 5. If they both had to pick ship 1, the the odds are 1 in 25. If they both had to pick the same ship, but it didn't matter which ship, it's 1 in 5. That was painful to listen to lol
No, to pick the same ship (assuming all other variables are ignored like which ship is closer etc.), each INDEPENDENT variable (isildur and kemen) would choose independently with 1/5 odds. Together, 1/25 minus the overlap, which for this example doesn't exist unless you bend over backwards. It's like saying that galadriel finding halbrand on the ocean is 1 out of 1 because he has the only ship - don't ignore the fact that they have to be in the same space and time, reducing the odds DRAMATICALLY.
@CoreyattheQ That's not how it works. It's 1/25 if they both have to pick a specific ship, not just the same ship. Play it out. The first person picks a ship. It doesn't matter which ship they pick, there's a 5/5 chance that they pick a ship. Then when the second person picks, it's a 1/5 chance for them to pick the correct ship. You don't multiply the two
@CoreyattheQ you would only multiply the independent variables if they needed to, for example, both pick "ship 3" specifically. Then, it's 1/5 times 1/5. But if it's any ship, then the first choice is always 5/5
@@Skrin19you're right, just took an hour to find my textbook. I was going off the explanations given in the video which were incomplete and was frustrated by the tribalism in the chat. I still don't know if fringy/disparu and others know why they were right but they didn't address the duplication of outcomes as you did so i thought they were coming from the common perspective that oversimplifies or outright ignores the math ... then i f'd up and did exactly that - my bad. Math is universal, it's right or wrong - mine has been corrected, thank you. Btw, how the hell did you know i just responded to your comment - is that a setting i need to activate cause i don't get those notifications. I was already trying to correct my fail when i saw 3 op's beat me to it. Give me a chance at least!
"I feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter that has been stabbed, twisted and gutted" -Bilbadriel
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
This made me bust a gut…by stabbing and twisting-in that order.
Nah you’re attributing it to the wrong character, Galiblo said that.
Fake fans 🙄
- and remember boys and girls, twist, gut then stab...wut?
@@reginlief1 the schwabble dabble wabble gabble flibba blabba blab
"Pointy end goes into the other man."
A line from the Mask of Zorro that showed Alejandro was a complete noob at swordfighting is almost said sincerely by Galadriel, who's supposed to be a master.
End me.
I knew Galadriel was bad, but holy moly this is *bad*.
Nah, remember this is Amazon's attempt at competing with Game of Thrones, the Explodey ship was for the Battle of the Blackwater member-berries and this moment was for Jon 'teaching' Arya.
This show is a mish-mash of scenes for muh diversity, scenes/lines poorly imitating the LOTR films and scenes/lines poorly imitating Game of Thrones.
Damn, Zorro was a good movie.
@@Super_Ammo agreed it's one of my favorites. You just don't get swashbuckling fun movies like that anymore
@@emuman09 You dont get ANY swashbuckling in movies anymore ... because it is REAL and "pretty impossible to CGI".
My favorite "swashbuckling and hilarity" movie is *_The Crimson Pirate_* ... with Burt Lancaster, who did all the stunts and swinging from ropes stuff himself, because he had been doing that in a circus ... together with his mute first mate Oyo.
According to the mythology Achilles was invulnerable except for the heel because that's what he was being held by when dipped into the river Styx as an infant. So he couldn't be shot through from the other side, his instep is indestructible.
In some versions he was hardened over a fire in infancy, but yes.
Imagine this
Gandalf : It is not in your authority to deny the return of the king
Denethor: There is a tempest in me !!!!!
Timestamps
0:00 Injuries
2:48 The Cloud (1)
4:56 Disparu
6:05 The Themes
6:56 The Length
7:58 Welcome & Let’s Begin
9:34 The Barrels
12:04 English Lesson
15:50 The Caravan
20:08 The Song & The Author
22:45 The Evil Lookers
27:12 The Orcs & The Sun
34:06 The village of twins
50:36 Another Place In Middle Earth
55:33 Horse Power
59:02 Rag’s Puns
1:00:39 Recruitment
1:02:13 Dialogues, Acting & Directing
1:08:17 The Journey
1:11:16 Stopping The War
1:15:32 All Bran
1:21:45 Plans & Stuff
1:25:12 A Good Slap
1:26:17 Dialogue & Writing
1:31:36 HOD Comparison
1:32:30 Character Objective & Scene Objective
1:33:56 References, Connections, Explanation & Interpretations
1:39:53 Trusting The Elves
1:42:25 Lack Of Commitment
1:43:43 The King & The Crest
1:49:08 The Cloud (2)
1:50:00 The Wolf
1:52:41 The Evil Hardfoots
2:02:17 Mario vs Wolves
2:03:17 The Training
2:45:08 The Unknown Pivotal
2:54:04 The Sea Is Always Right
2:57:12 Politics
2:58:50 The King & The Queen
3:00:30 Plotlines
3:06:53 The Hardfoot & The Wizard
3:13:47 The Table
3:27:42 Story & History
3:38:12 Mitral
3:42:14 The Evil Goo Three
3:51:22 An Oath Made Of Oats
3:52:30 A Filler Scene
3:57:48 The Ships
4:34:40 Repercussions
4:38:07 Breaking The Oat
4:41:52 ISIMYNIWLTMY Scene
5:03:23 A Genuine Human Moment
5:06:02 A Genuine Human Sacrifice
5:08:10 All Along The Watchtower
5:19:05 Ladygirl & Elfman
5:28:50 The Raw Meat
5:36:46 The Missed Opportunity
5:38:05 The Army
5:53:02 Closing the Coverage
5:54:13 The Guests
6:06:08 Fringy’s Drama
6:07:10 Halloween
6:08:52 Superchats
8:51:31 Plans
8:54:18 Closing EFAP
You are like the sea.
The sea is always right but doesn’t commit treason.
"You're like mother to me... But also my father, and sister and uncle..."
-Bilbo Baggins
Eh, using it now, so thanks.
The Sea Spiders thank you.
You are worth far more than this show. Thank you.
Well, according to the Greek mythology, Achilles was supposed to have been dipped into a pool of invincibility and held by his ankles; which is why they we're not invincible. So nothing should be able to penetrate his skin anywhere other than his ankles.
(It has been discovered by replies that it was the River Styx he was dipped in and that there are other versions of the mythos that include invulnerable armor rather that the supernatural coating. The edits to the main post are only to correct grammar and spelling; in order to maintain the original intent of the post. The facts learned later were not put into the edit as it would not have reflected my thoughts at the time as accurately. Thank you.)
It was the River of Styx by his mother Thetis, but yeah pretty much, Achilles was a jerk
@@sirswissmcgristle5413 That's the later version, originally Thetis covered him in ambrosia and then burned him in a fireplace (holding him by the ankles) to destroy his mortality, but never finished the job because her husband yelled at her to stop.
I like the depiction in the Troy movie, where he wasn’t technically invincible. He would just automatically dodge every attack not hitting his ankle. Which I thought was hilarious, auto dodge chance on 99% of attacks.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 He's basically Gaenor, with 770 Luck.
Surely you'd then hold him by his shoulders and dip his ankle in after.
2:08:00 Stab Twist-Gut is unironically a fantastic name for an orc that I’d absolutely use in an RP
An army member with the rank of lieutenant would normally lead a platoon of men. However, it can also mean second in command or chief helper. Like Sauron was Morgoth's lieutenant and the witch-king was Sauron's lieutenant.
in primitive army structures a Captain led a unit and he might have a few lieutenants to help him out. Unit sizes weren't standardized. In fact some books on war said you should never have uniform sized units so the enemy couldn't count units and get the exact troop counts.
Mauler: Good writing is when characters listen and comment on what’s been said. Say we’re all in a call-
Rags: But we are all in a call, Mauler.
Well, it's not hard for you to imagine it then, Rags...
EFAP is well written
D
SAY IT RAGS. SAY IT!!!
Big “But I did eat breakfast” vibes from Rags on that one
Addressing 2:20:47 and onwards, that scene where Galadriel “trains” the men infuriated me to no end while watching it because it shows exactly how little the writers understand how military cohesion and leadership works. She basically belittles them for being rookies, says she’ll take on all of them at once in order to “teach them what it means to fight Orcs,” does little else but use her agility and skill to trip up the rookies while egging them on with their shortcomings. Anyone else remember in Game of Thrones when Jon was the best swordsman amongst the Crow recruits, and I think it was Commander Mormont or some other XO who warned him that simply beating his teammates over and over again without being constructive would lead to them hating him in the future, and that instead of just beating them Jon should actually help INSTRUCT them to fix their mistakes? And when Jon did this, it would be the sword skills he taught them that kept his closest friends alive all the way up until the final season?! THAT’S how you train your lessers. THAT’S what it means to be a leader.
That's the problem. The writers are just awful evil people so they cannot even understand or use logic to put those things together! I hated these scene exactly for same reasons but I don't know how army works - I assume this how in general you teach anyone anything - from riding a bike to cooking. Omg, this is really bad
The other problem is having a mass of newbs flailing about at a person in the center is a great way for them to maim each other when she dodges or evades a blow.
yeah, i´m pretty sure the only thing these writers know is gender studies and how to whine on twitter
@@verazollinger6862 You don’t need to know a lot about how the Army functions in order to understand the differences between a good leader and an incompetent leader.
Also in that scene. Jon wasn’t just good because he was Jon. He was good because he in turn was trained by some of the best
As a coroner, I always put in my reports that the victim was shot in the dick, regardless of the position of entry or exit wounds.
"This was no boating accident."
Victim got stabbed.
"Cause of death: bullet to the dick.'"
so then when you file a report about a victim who WAS fatally shot in the dick and only the dick, would you then write "Victim suffered fatal bullet wound to dink, leading to profuse wang blood loss, also shot in dick"?
'cuz that'd be CONFUSING.
If i were writing Galadriel leading an army, it wouldn't be putting her up with foot soldiers and teaching them to gut... I would show her communicating with the armorers and smiths, planning for provisions with the merchants, fisherman and farmers... I'd show her cozying up to nobles to raise coin to build ships, siege equipment, and fund the war effort. Then I'd show her speaking to captain's and going over the travel plans and where the stops are, maybe establishing a spymaster who she communicates with to get information about where the enemy is now and what paths they can take.
Or we can show her embarrassing some dudes in a fight that means nothing and provides no other information.
"Yes."
-Barack Obama
I think the former was beyond their skill level to write, so that’s why we ended up with the latter. You can only expect so much from a writing pool consisting of what seems to be 10 year old children from the quality of writing.
Yours is a much nicer outline. It would show her as a leader. But we get garbage from garbage Hollywood now.
Nah, 'training' a handful of soldiers for 2 minutes is enough to fight an army of orcs.
The only thing missing in your outline is that Galadriel would be Numenorian, instead of a bitchy elf in a country that literally sacked it's king for liking elves too much.
Honestly, the ridiculous street sword fight is the tip of the iceberg with the problems in this narrative.
Beyond the awful dialogue/"proverbs" and the butchering of the lore, my biggest gripe with this show is that so many characters are just using each other. None of the friendships or romantic relationships feel genuine, they'll SAY they are and then immediately turn around and try to talk the other person into doing what they want. It feels less like LOTR (books or movies) and more like a typical American drama show with fantasy dressing. T_T
The characters have no idea how to interact with other people, and I will not be surprised at the end if Amazon reveals that an AI wrote the entire thing.
They tried to copy Game of Thrones. Even though the concept is so difference.
GoT is about political agenda, the struggle for power and how pointless they are against apocalypse.
LOTR is about moral compass. Good vs evil.
For the 1/5 vs 1/25 thing, the answer is 1/5. The first choice could have been any of the ships, but for the second one to be the same ship it does have to be whichever one the first one already chose.
Let me lay it out like this, perhaps it will help. If I ask “What are the odds that both of them choose ship #4?” then the odds are 1/25, as they both have a 1/5 chance of choosing ship #4. But if I ask “What are the odds of them choosing the same ship?” the odds are 1/5, as the specific ship that they both choose doesn’t matter. Therefore there are 5 scenarios in which they could both choose the same ship (they could both choose #1, both choose #2, etc.) out of 25 possibilities. So the probability is 5/25, or 1/5.
Sorry, just felt I had to clear that one up lmao
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
Appreciated! 👍
@@Kernwadi yo can you stop spamming these low effort reaction-quote comments in every reply?
@@aaronmueller1560 "But I like that."
-Bilbo Baggins
@@aaronmueller1560 "You want the low effort reaction-quote comments for yourself!"
-Dildo Faggins
Three Brits, two Australians, and an American walk into a theater..
The punchline is Rings of Power.
"No, that's not a setup to a joke; that's the writing this season."
- Mauler, GoT s8e4(?) review
Theyre all *MASSIVE*
Regarding the repeated extras:
It's the fact that this show was so expensive and extras relatively cheap to hire for a few days. And that it's a pretty small, close-up shot where tricks like that are going to easily noticed by audiences.
This exact thing Galadriel pulled 2:10:00 is an event in a game I love to play, "Your marshal has been fighting the recruits instead of training them, what do you want to do [player]?" Your choices are to fire/imprison them or suffer a large army penalty. Since it's -Mary Sue- Galadriel doing this, I assume the result is 'leave her be and all soldiers improve.'
CK3?
@@randomdude185 That or CK2, I've played both a lot.
"She-Hulk doesn't have world ending reprecussions"
Finale comes out, she gets to talk to the writer's room, can convince them to write the world to be less full of villain's...doesn't...uses said power to get out of the consequences of her actions instead
They really did want to outdo each other didn't they
Rags, your horse pun was a nightmare
😔🐴
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
a nightMARE indeed
Nice.
On the point of "Numenor should probably have more ships," might I just say, the fleet they sent to fight Sauron was big enough that he surrendered because he knew that the entirety of Mordor, his Nazgul and all men he had conquered would not be enough to defeat them. Ponder on that. This was a better fortified and prepared Mordor than the one that we saw in the beginning of the Lord of the Rings. And Sauron knew, for a fact, he stood _zero_ odds against the ships the Numenorians sent.
But no, yeah, 5 ships, that's enough, sure.
Playing devils advocate, he might have surrendered intentionally? Or was it explicitly stated he just shat his pants?
@@XraynPR he surrended intentionally knowing he could corrupt them, but it _is_ made explicitly clear that he would have much rather just fought and won but he had to recognize, just seeing the fleet, that the entire combined might of Mordor and himself _with_ the Ring wouldn't be enough.
He surrended on purpose because he saw a path to victory doing it, all the while recognizing that he would have absolutely 0 chance of winning otherwise
@@mordirit8727 This gives me Troy vibes but on a greater magnitude. Wouldve been neat to get an actually good series
@@XraynPR I hate myself for even saying this but maybe, MAYBE there is still time to do that. All of what I said happened after the One Ring was first used, and in the show it hasn’t even been built yet.
The way things went, Sauron helped Celebrimbor create the main 19 rings, powerful artifacts to manifest the weak influence elves had on the Unseen Realm into the real world (9 that fought against mortality for humans, 7 that manifested good economic luck for dwarves, 3 that helped purify and rejuvenate nature for the elves), and nobody knew he had created a sort of programming backdoor on them to force their users to obey the One Ring.
Sauron eventually used the One Ring, expecting its power to turn every other ring bearer into a slave of his, but only the human ones actually worked. Dwarves turned decidedly evil and cruel through theirs, but not obedient to Sauron, and the 3 elvish ones didn’t even do that much. Once his betrayal was known, his plot to subtly control everything came down and he had to do it through war instead.
This was the war the Numenorians eventually decided to join which lead to his surrender, only when so much of Middle Earth had been conquered that their colonies started to be threatened.
The show has already fucked almost every possibility of any of this happening but there is still SOME chance we will see Middle Earth fall to the war with Sauron and Numenor decide to intervene in the future. But with the starter we had, hopes aren’t even low, they’re damn negative =(
So, to help explain the chances on the whole meet-on-the-same-boat situation. First, let's make clear what we are trying to figure out. There are 5 ships, ship A through ship E, and 2 people who will randomly pick one of the ships. Each ship has an equal chance to be chosen, so 1 in 5. What are the odds both of them chose the same ship? First, how many possibilities are there? Well, they can both pick ship A, let's call that possibility AA. The first can choose ship A, then the second can choose ship B, or AB. This gives us 5 * 5 = 25 possibilities, laid out below:
AA, AB, AC, AD, AE
BA, BB, BC, BD, BE
CA, CB, CC, CD, CE
DA, DB, DC, DD, DE
EA, EB, EC, ED, EE
Now the question was: What are the odds both of them chose the same ship? That are our criteria for a success. But they can meet on any ship. So not just AA is a success, but also BB, CC, DD and EE. Which gives us 5 successes with 25 possibilities. Or a 5 in 25 chance, or a 1 in 5 chance.
4:07:00
+ someone has to cough.
❤
Neeeerrrrrrd.
Okay I just got to this part, and you are extremely justified in explaining this so thoroughly.
Or you could just point out that the probability is severely lowered to near certainty if one of the ships happens to be easier to sneak onto. That wouldn't even be something they'd actually need to establish. Both of them sneaking onto the same ship was actually the only thing I *didn't* find ridiculous about that scene.
59:30 I gotchu Rags.
They are a mare-i-time power.
An attempt was made, and I appreciate that.
Instead of watching the show, I’m going to watch Mauler’s reviews/breakdowns.
Episode 6 was by far the worst and glad I watched the EFAP coverage yesterday. 🌋🌋🌋
"Wise choice."
-Joe Biden
That's how I watch TV and movies these days
Baaabaaaabaaaaabaaa
That's how I've watched virtually everything since Endgame.
Platoon is a great addition, so pleased to have discovered this dude recently.
Shad and Disparu are great too, but theyre already part of the family lol
Cant stand shad loves the sound of his own voice too much
@@user-pm7pw1tl3t You're allowed to have bad taste :)
@@richter6699 everyone has the right to be wrong. I see wich option you went with.
Toss some Rhino milk to your local EFAPer, for they watch Rangs of Power so you don't have to.
"Who are you again?"
-Joe Biden
looking forward to their take on We Wuz Wamen Kangs
4:06:30
Rags would be correct if there was something special about the ship itself.
There are 5 identical ships.
Person A chooses one of them. Now it's ship X.
Now there's a 1\5 chance that the Person B also picks ship X.
A hypothetical situation where Rags is right:
There are 5 ships. One of them transports special convenient cough-inducing powder.
Person A choses this ship (1\5 chance).
Person B also choses this ship ((1/5)^2=1\25).
Fringy is like a trap card that activates every time somebody fucks with animals.
Scrap-Iron Fringcrow: Activates when animal friends are in danger with righteous fury and remains on the field after it has been activated.
Voiceline accompaniment: "Look at this little critter."
Making Isildur a dumbass really undermines the influence of the One Ring, doesn't it?
I really enjoy Little Platoon's discussions with the boys, his understanding/presentation of things is very " firm roots, flexible branches" if that makes sense. Excellent guest.
So this Adar guy's evil plan is a cross between the sun blocker of Mr. Burns, and Yzma's original plan back when "The Emperor's New Groove" was still called "Kingdom of the Sun" and she wanted to, as the song says, "Snuff Out the Light"
Also...
Herb Woman: We either fight the orcs or die!
Random Woman: Are those the only choices?
Old Smelly Dirty Guy: I have a cunning plan! We join Sauron.
Villagers: ...
oh yeah, its all coming together
Yeah but Sauron is so dreamy
Poor Shad. This show is literally breaking him. He was actually swearing on last nights FNT.
It’s funny being a scientist who deals with probability and statistics a lot to hear the argument about probability at 4:08:00.
For the record, Fringy and Disparu were right. The probability of one person choosing the same ship as another person takes the choice of the prior person as a given. It is not factored into the probability of the other person’s choice because the two choices are independent, so when the second person makes their choice, only the probability at the moment of their choice matters. It’s like how if you roll a die and get a 1 seven times in a row, the probability of the next roll being a 1 is still 1/6, even if the probability of getting eight 1s in a row is 1/(6^8).
Now, if only one of the ships had oil on it, and the two people happened to both choose that single ship out of the five, then the choice the first person makes actually does matter. They cease to be independent, because the first choice has to pick a particular ship instead of any ship.
Independence is a tricky concept, the confusion is understandable.
If Achilles was only vulnerable in his heel, than it wouldn't be able to pierce the front of his foot, right?
"Yes."
-Donald Trump
In the Iliad (or in the Post Iliad traditions) Paris shoots him in the heel from the walls of Troy with a bow,. guided by some God or Goddess
Fight with your feet not with your arms, proceeds to fight from horse back where you don't use footwork and infact use your arm quite a bit.
To stay on a horse in combat takes a lot of leg strength, especially before stirrups were invented. There was a skirmish in the Punic wars where the historian notes every single man there (a few hundred on each side or so) fell off their horse.
"There's a light at the end of the tunnel with She Hulk and Rings of Power ending"
That light was an incoming train. The trifecta of Witcher BO, Willow, and Velma
2:19:00 "How high is lieutenant?"
I'm glad someone's finally asking this question in particular.
The thing is, it's not about specifically just how high the rank is, the issue is that, in the ground forces, lieutenant is going to be the lowest Commissioned Officer rank. That means you don't get promoted to lieutenant, you get officer training/officer school and start as a lieutenant. If this was ground forces ranks, which makes sense since the training here is basic training and not command training, then these guys should be promoted to LCpl/Corporal/Specialist/Sergeant/Master Sergeant/Other high-rank-sounding-Sergeant-Title.
But let's just say a CO can be promoted by winning a swordfight... okay. Since this is Numenor, then they might be using naval terms. That puts Lieutenant above Ensign, so these could be officer cadets who will be made Ensign, but the one who wins the fight starts as a Lieutenant. Now we have to ask the question as to why you're training officers in swordfighting, and judging them on that, instead of leadership abilities or strategy, just like Rag's points out.
In very old days there were few officers in a unit, the commander was a Captain, he had a Lieutenant as a second in command and there were Sargeants leading subunits.
This also depends on the rank structure being used- Lieutenant in Medieval times could actually be a very high rank, equivalent to a General officer today. In Lord of the Rings, the second in command of an army is sometimes referred to as a Lieutenant.
Also “Sergeant” had a different meaning in Medieval armies- “sergeants” was how one referred to full-time troops in the direct employ of the nobility. They were distinguished from levied troops who were essentially conscripted soldiers. The modern rank of sergeant doesn’t really have a consistent Medieval equivalent, as units were basically always led by officers (knights and the nobility).
@@lordvarrax5060 I don't think Lieutenant can ever be a high rank.
a) The ranks are translated already for the audience and so they are the modern depictions of rank, because why would Numenor linguistically develop the similar term lieutenant?
b) If we take the word at its face, lieutenant is given "tenancy in lieu of the captain" or as the Brits pronounce it as left-tenant, the left-tenant is "left in command of the platoon." It has always meant "junior officer" underneath the captain, the "true leader" of the ship, or of the platoon. That's also why there are things like Lieutenant Colonels, or other positions that start with Lieutenant; they are always officers under other officers. Probably even with the history of the platoon and the company coming from firing in ranks, you would probably not leave overall command to a lieutenant.
c) But overall even with medieval history, or 19th century warfare history, the concept of the lieutenant being an officer will still enforce that the lieutenant is essentially a lower-rung officer, but an officer nonetheless. A sort of minor nobility but also minor responsibility position.
@@afelias
a) Tolkien specifically refers to Gothmog as the “Lieutenant or Morgul”, and shows that he’s second in command of the armies of Mordor at Pelennor. I believe he also refers to others in similar positions but I can’t recall off the top of my head. Hence, “Lieutenant” as the second in command of a whole army already exists in Middle Earth.
b) Richard, Duke of York held the title of “Lieutenant of France” during the Hundred Years war, and later also held the title of “Lieutenant of Ireland”. This was a position that basically granted him power over all English activity in the country. You could see it as a predecessor to the more modern term of “Lieutenant General”, but it remains that it was the title that he was granted, and how his office was referred to. I could probably find other examples of similar titles but that’s one I can think of off the top of my head.
c) Definitely agree, once the term Lieutenant became standardized in its usage at around the end of the Medieval period/the beginning of the Renaissance period that was what it meant. But prior to that it did have different meanings- if there’s one thing I’ve learned from studying the Medieval period, it’s that one word could have numerous (and sometimes very different) meanings depending on what region, time, and even specific social context it was being used in.
Gil-galad the boomer: Back in my day we walked to school on an even plane both ways because the world was flat... You young whippersnappers and your sphere.
The retconned stupid origin of the Mithril legitimately pissed me off.
"What a fuster cluck."
Chicken Baggins
The cosmic chicken approves. 🐔
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
2:40:20 I thought it's what MauLer was going to talk about, but jeez, look how insanely brighter the place becomes between the close-up and the next shot!
BTW, I've really been liking The Little Platoon in these streams a lot, I hope he shows up often going forward!
Elendil's helmet isn't necessarily a bad design in general but it IS a terrible design for his role and actual combat. His helmet is based on the Gondorian Fountain Guard helmet seen in LOTR. It's meant to be more ceremonial.
I quite like the little platoon, every time I hear him talk I want to hear more 👍🏻
To me, the worst part about RoP is that the plotline is so bad that we REALLY notice the little inconsistencies normally in the background. Like the huge lack of horses being boarded while EVERY SOLDIER has a horse in the battle
Rags, don't you mean the dwarves pay ASTRONOMICAL prices for meteor?!?!?! 😉😅😌
"Yes."
-Bilbo Baggins
So, Isildur has, at every opportunity, shown a complete lack of discipline, even to the point of deliberate sabotage. Even when he saves Pharazon's son, the excuse Isildur gives him makes it sound like they were at the harbor separately...and Isildur wasn't in the "fishing skiff" with him...so what was known saboteur Isildur doing at a harbor...where two ships were just sabotaged? Ah, but I forgot. "One of the casks must have gone up." Because oil or wine are both known for being so unstable. Were they casks of nitroglycerin?
Now, suppose his son asks Pharazon to put Isildur into the expedition as a reward and partly to hush things up, and the people who actually know him distrust him enough to only trust him with mucking the stables. Somehow Isildur gets in Miriel's good graces on the voyage and is put in her guard. Well, they couldn't trust him to be left with the boats. Ships, sorry, ships!
Then they are engaged in serious battle and little ki- um, Isildur starts getting fidgety and impatient and generally displaying his complete lack of necessary soldierly discipline. Yet the *field commander's* response to this IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE is to basically say, "Okay, you're ungrounded. Go play with the other ki- um, go...go ahead and join the battle."
Also, do they realize that by giving him that scene with Miriel, they low-key dissed Miriel by having Isildur impatient at being "sent away with the women"? Ah, wait. Maybe Miriel was expecting such an undisciplined hooligan to get himself killed and sending him in was her punishment for his misogynistic attitude.
The whole discussion about isildur being on one of the ships around the 4 hour mark is like listening to my in laws argue.
It's not the damage to the front of the foot that mattered. It's the damage to the heel. Achilles could take 20 arrows to the foot and get bonus damage to his kicks.
4:08:00 ...It's 1 in 5
Not in 25. Wtf guys ...
There are 25 different 'outcomes', yes, but 5 of them are them being on the same ship, since in doesn't matter which ship they're both on. 25/5=5
The odd thing with the Numenorean armours is that you can clearly tell that the costume designer clearly overthought their design, tying the deisgn way too hard into the maritime aspect of Numenorean society while also trying to fit it into a sort of "predecessor design" to Gondors plate armours. Like so many aspects of this show, it just frustrates me, with how easy they could have fixed it or at least or make it look less bad, and it's even on screen: Halbrands armour is basically the same type of lamellar armour, but the individual scales are blank metal. That would have made it so much better instead of the weird white stuff.
Good on Fringy and Disparu for not backing down on the probability argument. It truly was a variation on a fundamental conundrum people have when first learning how to handle probabilities mathematically, which is the tendency to double up conditions that are in fact the same condition just from different perspectives, but no differentiation of the test is present. If Rags and LittlePlatoon wanted their 1/25 chance, an example of how that might happen would be if there were 5 places on each ship that could be hiding spots, only one of which was near the exploding barrels. Then the probability becomes 1/5 chance the correct ship is picked * 1/5 chance the hiding place picked was near the barrels. Then it could be a 1/25 scenario. That said, what they later talked about is true too, that through utter contrivance, there are many other unlikely probabilities unexplored apart from the correct ship probability that must have come true to allow this dumb scene to happen.
Nooooo, you suck at math - Google it instead of just assuming you were always right. I passed statistics in college, this is the first thing they teach you - if there are 2 variables, both 1/5, you have to multiply them and subtract the overlap if any.
On the conversation of blacksmiths and sword usage. I would actually believe the one smith Galadriel is familiar with, Celebrimbor, has zero knowledge of sword usage in this show
How did they know to twist and gut? It's AMAZING
I hope Mauler helps Shad and Disparu watch their shows through VLC so they can do frame by frame. If Shad had frame by frame analysis of the training fight scene it would have driven him even further up the wall
Little Platoon is like a bridge between academia and internet criticism. He has a good understanding of the theory behind certain ideas. I like EFAP’s practical approach to ideas like Death of the Author but I also appreciate knowing where the idea came from.
You know what was a legitimately good fight scene where one opponent massively outclasses the other? Troy: Menelaus vs Paris. Our boy Brendon totally schools little Orlando and it works, because at this point Paris needs outing as an overconfident young whelp. Moreover we're not supposed to like Menelaus - he's a pr***, and gets what's coming to him minutes later. But it's a good fight, and achieves everything it sets out to.
Nice to see Disparu giving some time to the smaller channels in the community.
is that an inside joke?
2:00:29 - Is nobody gonna mention how these are NOT wolves? They have hooves and tusks. They look like prehistoric boars.
Yeah, they look like they were inspired by entelodonts (otherwise known as "hell pigs").
But nobody seemed to have a problem with the Boston Terrier based warg either.
@@Zara-Bari Yeah those wargs look weird too. And I knew those "wolves" as the Dino Riders Ice Age Killer Warthog, myself. :D
One thing that I take issue with about this show (besides acting/script) is that the show writers fundumentally do not understand how big Middle Earth is. The Area of Middle Earth is about 3 Million SQ. Miles. The region of Mordor is about 240,000 Sq. Miles (about 518,000 Sq. Kilometers). How are a few hundred troop supposed to find the village in the allotted time?
Even the fucking Ring Wraiths that don't need to eat, sleep or even rest took days and days to get to the shire from Mordor. And they knew exactly where they were going. You shouldn't expect a billion dollar TV show to explain such things in the short time of the 6 hours of time they've had to fill tho.
Both how large ME is and how slow travel was with dirt roads, off road travel, no dredging of rivers thus making the difficulty of travel hugely harder.
"Kratos is going to kill every god in both pantheons." - Mauler
It really bothers me that they named Elanor what they did. Sam’s first born, a daughter, was named Elanor after the Elanor flowers of Lorien.. are they going to say they named the flower off of this Elanor? 😬
It's like poetry, it rhymes
Fringy understands probability. Nobody else does.
And platoon
A little addendum: There are 25 outcomes for Isildor and the other idiot choosing a ship, which is probably how Rags got to 1/25, but on 5 of these outcomes they will be on the same one (In one outcome they will both be on ship 1, In the second one they will both be on ship 2 etc). So 1 / ((5 * 5) / 5), back to 1/5 as Fringy said.
No
It's funny how there's MORE coughing going on inside the stow-away ship compared to the village when the volcano errupted
2:20:00 I think it's a trope for recruits to be offered a reward if they tag the drill sergeant, but if it is a promotion, it should just be to squad leader or corporal. I think it happens in the first Halo novel, child John-117 becomes squad leader by winning a game.
I didn't even think of the horses on board the exploding ships!!! There should be two hundred horses there!!! 😱🤯🙈🙉🙊
They filmed that sword fight in one day, in community theater we at least get several to learn and then like a week to practice it.
4:10:00 IDK if they come back to this because I haven't finished, but this portion of conversation is a bit maddening. FRINGY IS CORRECT. You roll to see where the first guy is placed, but that doesn't affect the odds at all. It just determines the starting/control condition. It doesn't matter what his placement is, just that he has a placement. It's then 1-in-5 that the second guy chooses the same ship as the first guy. The ONLY way it multiplies is if it matters which ship the first guy is on. As in, there's a specific target ship - the captain's ship or the only ship with explosives or something and it's unclear which one it is, but they need to end up on it. As presented, it doesn't matter what ship they're on, just that they're on the same ship. So, it's 1-in-5.
Further, going by MauLer's added clarification that the first guy could be on either of the two ships (they don't need to be on the same ship, they just both need to be on an exploding ship), that just makes it even more likely that the second guy will choose the "correct" ship because there are now two "correct" ships. The odds are now 2-in-5. In other words, it went from 20% chance to 40%.
Basically, I would say that the odds aren't strong, but they're not terribly weak just based on these parameters until other factors are added in (such as timing).
Mewbler, ain't this the fifth episode breakdown, not the fourth?
Edit: it has been amended. Blessed be the Longman
LIAR
🤔🤔🤔
Isildur!!
I love random film theory's breakdown of this part and how he just blandly states after the whole exchange, Durin got a table. He essentially bullshitted himself to getting a new dinner table for really no reason and now has to bring it back to moria somehow.
lolol 'we half expect her to quell Mount Doom with the coldness of her personality.'
As weve learned thatd explode the mountain
Pharazons actor and the look of the character is exactly what I imagined 20 years ago when I read it.
Back then was when I also chose my online name haha.
Watching EFAP makes me realize that a really good story should never have a shortage of really interesting scenes, and a good writer should have the problem of trying to fit in all of the really interesting stuff in a reasonable time, rather than trying to pad out their story with empty calories. They sit here and just spitball a bunch of really interesting scenes off the top of their head, and talk about all of the reactions that we should get to witness.
1:36:32 MauLer’s “whoa”s fit perfectly to the tune of that stereotypical oriental song
1:35:43 "Al Pharazon" XD sounds like a Numenor used car salesman!
Funny coincidence, this.
I was just playing Battle Brothers, and in that game a Farmhand-turned-sellsword realised that his father's technique for baling hay is applicable to gutting men as well, and it's way more appropriate(I'd even say, sweet) to see a farmer's son learn the "stab-twist-gut" technique in that game than whatever this show is doing.
For the the ship probability argument at 4:12:17 , the probability both dudes picked the same ship would be 1/25, but the probability that other guy would pick the first guys ship is 1/5, since that choice was already made
4:09:53 - So Disparu is right. The problem should be defined as one dude already chose a ship and another needs to roll that ship. Either that or look at the problem as though each ship has two slots to fill and what are the odds that both are filled. That would be 1 out of 5 times 1 out of 5 for each of the five ships. Therefore 5/25 which is 1 out of 5!
To be generous the erroneous answer of 1/25 makes intuitive sense if the person is trying to guess which of the Ships they will both choose rather than correctly calculating if both parties will make the same choice.
No, take statistics or sit down - fucking everyone on the internet just "knows" what makes sense without asking a phd. Stop assuming you know everything just "because".
Rags is actually right by accident during the discussion on horses. And army would bring several times more horses than horse riders. The Mongols, for example, typically had three to every mounted soldier.
That varied heavily between forces and eras - the Marian legions had only two attendants and one pack mule per eight fighting men, for example. An early modern army would need a great many extra pack animals for the siege train, but the massive growth in infantry forces back to the sizes claimed in ancient times and the reduction of the role of cavalry (at least in western Europe) meant the number of horses didn't grow as much as might be expected. Certinly, there was nothing like the extreme ratio the Mongols had.
@@FlyingNinjaish he said multiple horses for each rider. Not multiple horses for each soldier. Since all the numenoreans we saw were cavalry they should have had many more horses than shown.
@@Klickor Yup.
Wait, is the old guy who wants to join Sauron really named Baldrick? I thought they were just making a Blackadder reference.
Adar: What is your name?
Baldrick: My name is Baldrick, My Lord.
Adar: Then I shall call you...'Baldrick'
Baldrick: ...and I shall call you 'My Lord', My Lord
His name is Waldreg, but I can see how it sounds like they're saying Baldrick.
@@jeremiahsagers135 yeah, it was a lot clearer in their episode 6 breakdown
Remember, of the two they were supposed to cover that stream, this was the one with LESS issues.
2:37 If you get completely exploded like say, a nuke went off in your face, the US Army classifies that as "Total Body Disruption".
Pretty sure Achilles' flesh is impervious with the exception of his heel, so the hypothetical arrow needs to hit the mark or nothing happens at all.
The impervious skin is a later legend. In the Iliad, Achilles while sulking in his tent "on strike" lends his armor to his friend Patroclus, who goes on a rampage but is eventually killed in action and the armor stolen. Achilles burns for revenge but as to ask his mother to beg the Gods to give him a new outfit so he can fight. He does and kills Hector, and desecrates the body but his rage dies when King Priam sneaks out of town to beg him to let him bury his son. He gives back the body and loads the kings with gifts in the most memorable part of the poem to ancient authors. So in an EFAP way, if Achilles was invulnerable, why not go out with heel cap armor alone? Why does he need a suit?
So the thing with the CGI extras. It's bad that we notice it so obviously. When Peter Jackson used CGI for his massive-scale battles, everyone was expected to look more or less the same because they'd all be among a couple of factions that- in a massive battle like that -it would be necessary to tell friend from foe apart quickly in all the chaos. All the humans wore similar armor, all the elves wore similar armor, all the orcs more or less wore the same kind of gear. But because of the diverse nature of this crowd, how close we are to them to make out clear details and that really there isn't that many here to gather so the repeat pattern is a lot more obvious, it all just seems extremely lazy by comparison.
Training scene with Warrior Galadriel reminds me of like... how you write a character you think is cool when you're like 12-13. When you're an adult, you're supposed to realize how lame and nonsensical that is and actually write something better, especially if you do it for a living.
Fringy: *draws over his sketch*
TLJ Yoda: Failure, the best teacher is.
If I remember correctly, the ending to inception can only make sense if the top were to fall. If the top were to remain spinning, then I believe that means DiCaprio is still dreaming. But the only element of his character is that his girlfriend killed herself because she thought that 'real life' as DiCaprio knew it was actually a dream. So if the top remains spinning at the end of the film, that would mean that he was actually in a dream, and his girlfriend isn't dead. Surely his girlfriend would have woken him up if when she died, she actually just woke up to 'real life.'
Haven't seen Inception in years, so I would love to see an Inception EFAP movies. I'm convinced that that film does not hold up.
It holds up pretty well, though Ellen Page being there sort of distracts you when you consider all of her mental issues in real life. I do like how when the wife kills herself, they have her somehow jumping out of a window in the opposite building, adding a sort of dream-like quality of spatial incongruity to the scene. The issue with the spinning top at the end is that DiCaprio just got trapped in his own subconscious trying to find Ken Watanabe who died in the upper layer of dream, and might just be dreaming that he succeeded and got to go home again, not that he was always in a dream the entire film.
Though the best part of "Inception" is realizing that it's a knockoff of a DuckTale's comic from the early 2000's where the Beagle Boys use a small device to enter Scrooge's dreams and try to steal the combination to his vault. It even has a dead girlfriend haunting Scrooge's dreams.
After the fifth full viewing, I am confident that we are seeing Cobb altering his reality to match his deepest desire (to be with his kids), lost in his subconscious. He’s aware that it was a likely possibility, but a risk he had to take since if Saito dies he’ll be arrested at the airport. The main clue for me isn’t even the top. It’s the transitions from scene to scene. How everything seems to skip from one place to the next, almost bewildered about how he got there, until he arrives at the family home where he last saw them. It’s almost habit at this point to check if he’s in reality, but the top isn’t his check. It’s his wedding ring. Using the top is symbolic, but utterly useless to determine if he’s in the dream because the properties of the top were fabricated by him to trick Mal into leaving the dream world. Whether the top falls or keeps spinning is irrelevant. It’s a red herring to distract the viewer. Not that it matters because as soon as he hears his children’s voices he ignores the top and runs to them. I think top also serves as something for the camera to focus on, because the film deliberately doesn’t want to show us a clear image of him with the kids, that most of the audience will attribute importance to and worthy of holding the camera.
Mal tried to convince him that what was “real” or a “dream” didn’t matter, because what mattered is that they would be happy together. That’s the mindset he succumbs to at the end of the film, when he realizes that Saito is dead and he’ll lose everything if he surfaces with everyone else. It’s not a conscious choice he makes, but rather something he allows himself to forget.
@@Rokumasu853 Something I've always wondered, if the top is Mal's totem, would it even exist in a dream world without her? Or is the totem also manufactured by Cobb's subconscious in his dreams, since he believes she's dead already, but can't let her go? And if by the end of the movie, he has let her go, why would he have the totem in the dream?
@@25meip Technically, every totem in the dream is fabricated. The important thing is that no one other than you can replicate it as exactly as you can, because no one knows it as well as you do. That’s how you know whether some one is trying to trick you or not.
My memory is a little patchy since it’s been awhile that I’ve last sat down and watched it. I’m not as confident to make any definite points on the totems.
@@Rokumasu853 That's kinda what I mean though. The spinning top is not Cobb's totem. He never uses his own, whether by necessity or by choice. But after he finally let's Mal go, why would his subconscious continue to create her totem? IE Shouldn't just seeing the top prove it's the physical world and not the dream world?
My wife and I are struggling through episode 3 and we wonder why galadriel would say that thing about peasant rags chafing halbrand (being the reason he's imprisoned) and the following lines. It's so out of her character
My wife and I watched it the other night and loved it...
But my wife's boyfriend wasn't as enthusiastic about it, he always has to spoil the mood.
She's trying to get him to claim this mythic King of the South title, so the chafing of lower class clothes is in the pride alone. Its just getting him to back her play.
19:07 "You guys are idiots, you see they're gonna be looking for Army guys!"
Imagine the guys hiding on the ships were represented by dice:
First guy first die, second guy second die. Now for both to end up on the same ship, they'd both need to roll the same number.
First guy rolls a one, second guy has to roll a one.
First guy rolls a two, second guy has to roll a two now.
And so on.
Like this we would get 25 possible combinations out of which 5 are "hits" where both choose the same ship. Which adds up to 5/25=1/5. Which shows the first roll doesn't really matter, because the only "chance" is for the second roll to match the first.
Skeletor voice: You'll never defeat my minions with their parasol Galadriel, nehehe!
Also with regards for the line delivery, Calculon from Futurama comes to mind. "Dramatic...............................PAUSE!
Fitting considering the show was made by the equivalent of the Execubots from Futurama.
The hole on a cask is called a bung hole, and the cork is the bung. Bunghole, baby.
That is an amazing factoid. Gracias!
In real life guilds, in order to graduate from journeyman status and become a master craftsman, you had to create an object and present it to the guild leadership for approval as proof of your skills. This is where we get the term "masterpiece" - the piece you craft to become a master. So perhaps Pharazon's favor was simply to get him an audience to demonstrate his skills. Basically, even if he has pissed off the guild members, if he's got the skills, they are probably going to want to coopt him and have him paying dues, rather than working in the black market as competition to undercut them. It's one thing to say "get the F off our island" to some homeless castaway, but when he has the patronage of the top politician in Numenor, you can look past the reasons to be annoyed at him in order to get both his skills and his connections at court on your team.
Another thing is that the guild crest is not your membership credentials, but a pass to use the guild forges. So when he swipes the crest in a prior episode, he wasn't being so stupid as to think he can bluff his way as a member of the guild, but rather he could present the crest as evidence that guildsman gave him permission to use the forge, and then work his way in. So in the scene here, where he is working the forge with a crest, he could, as the panel suggests, be working on his application masterpiece, and is wearing the crest just for this job, that is, it signifies he has permission to make the attempt, not that he is a guild member yet.
Really, when you get right down to it, his major crime was wanting REALLY BADLY to get into the guild. It's not like he was setting up shop as an independent.
All of this, BTW, is not to defend the show, because I am not being paid to come up with this stuff, they are, and it is their job to make all this explicit to the audience, instead of relying on the audience to headcanon it all up.
The sea is always long
when Jane met Tarzan, that was an acurate display on how adult humans learn speaking. Tarzan obviously wasn't stupid, he just didn't know human communication. Gandolf the NOT, is diffinately not giving me that vibe.
The biggest thing that is missed with the fleet sabotage, aside from those casks being filled with gasoline, as that even in port, those ships would still have crew aboard and men on watch every hour day and night. He wasn't doing his stunt without getting caught.
'how did her armour get made?'
Galadriel probably funded and organised a sweat shop in numenor, hence why all the armour looks tacky
"When life gives you lemons... Make an omelet."
-Bilbo Baggins
"making the mother of all omelettes here Bilbo, Can't fret over every Lemon"
"According to the writers of the show, this is perfectly consistent. 10/10.", Bilbonius Bunglbong
"Oh, that's just the Goo Tree. Its goo is the main ingredient in a fragrance called Goo Tree Guilty."
I was told this was the fourth episode, now I see it’s the fifth episode and I don’t know what to do.
2:10:08 Fringy's Transformation
"If you don't vote for me, you're not green..."
-Joe Biden
Fringy is a bird confirmed.
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Or is this a deception?
There is a 5 in 25 chance that they are both on the same ship... also known as 1 in 5 🤦♀️
If they had to be on that particular ship, then the odds would be 1 in 25.
If you were to number the ships 1 to 5. If they both had to pick ship 1, the the odds are 1 in 25. If they both had to pick the same ship, but it didn't matter which ship, it's 1 in 5. That was painful to listen to lol
No, to pick the same ship (assuming all other variables are ignored like which ship is closer etc.), each INDEPENDENT variable (isildur and kemen) would choose independently with 1/5 odds. Together, 1/25 minus the overlap, which for this example doesn't exist unless you bend over backwards. It's like saying that galadriel finding halbrand on the ocean is 1 out of 1 because he has the only ship - don't ignore the fact that they have to be in the same space and time, reducing the odds DRAMATICALLY.
@CoreyattheQ That's not how it works. It's 1/25 if they both have to pick a specific ship, not just the same ship. Play it out. The first person picks a ship. It doesn't matter which ship they pick, there's a 5/5 chance that they pick a ship. Then when the second person picks, it's a 1/5 chance for them to pick the correct ship. You don't multiply the two
@CoreyattheQ you would only multiply the independent variables if they needed to, for example, both pick "ship 3" specifically. Then, it's 1/5 times 1/5. But if it's any ship, then the first choice is always 5/5
@@CoreyattheQ and the conversation they're having is specifically if it's 1/5 or 1/25. I'm just using the set up that they put forward
@@Skrin19you're right, just took an hour to find my textbook. I was going off the explanations given in the video which were incomplete and was frustrated by the tribalism in the chat.
I still don't know if fringy/disparu and others know why they were right but they didn't address the duplication of outcomes as you did so i thought they were coming from the common perspective that oversimplifies or outright ignores the math ... then i f'd up and did exactly that - my bad. Math is universal, it's right or wrong - mine has been corrected, thank you.
Btw, how the hell did you know i just responded to your comment - is that a setting i need to activate cause i don't get those notifications. I was already trying to correct my fail when i saw 3 op's beat me to it. Give me a chance at least!
3:13:27 - that voice was frighteningly not like MauLer’s voice. Reminds me of Juggernaut in Deadpool 2, who was voiced by Ryan Reynolds.