@@friedrichii.aliasdergroe9233 it was a radical difference between making a game on 360 and PS3, and devs usually receive little to no time for ports coming from their bosses, and with the impressive and powerful but widely different and kinda complicated PS3 and the way to develop for it, it just isn't fair to discredit the developers like that
I bought it for Switch today. There have been a bunch of improvements since this video, and also looks better in portable mode. V 1.2 patch on Switch is 13.1 GB...
agreed. finished it on the switch last year, already post-patch, and it was really one of the most entertaining experiences i've ever had on the nintendo console (played it in handheld-mode only). framerate was mostly good; the only times it was really hard was car chases while it rained.
@@timholloway8821 No, pop in is still bad. I bought a $20 used game card from gamestop and the only problem is that some cars honk three times in a row in a glitchy way.
I bet part of the problem is the optimization for the Cell. The cell CPU is designed in such a way that anything you optimize for it runs like crap on regular CPUs and vice versa. The PS4 and Xbone CPUs are at least powerful enough to plow thru the game at 30, but the switch just didn't had that luck.
The PS3 was a great way to play. No lags. One Disc. PC looks better and loads faster (almost instantly on my Omen 15) but had some stutter sometimes. Nevertheless I loved this game to death and still do. It's the game I was always dreaming of as a kid.
I absolutely adore this game. As a big fan of Adventure games, this was my favorite game in the genre. Shame that we never got another game in the universe or another one from Team Bondi.
I agree. I played this on almost every platform available, PS3, PS4 & PC. Only now I found that it's also available for the Switch. I can now play this anywhere I want. Woohoo!
I loved this game the first time around, started playing it last night on the Xbox One X. I'm really hoping that if it sells well we'll finally get the long awaited sequel.
City Fox PS4: Great exclusives and third party support. Nintendo Switch: Great Exclusives and and third party support Xbox One: third party support and um.......🤔 Teraflops?!? 🤷♂️
It would be nice to see what they could do with GTAV. They had to overcome the hurtles of LA Noire being originally fixed towards the PS3, but with GTA they could probably squeeze a little more out of it. Even if it was just a direct match to the 360 version in visuals it would be amazing to have that in hand held.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe Yeah, beacuse it's an awful port. Gta v on xbox was 720p and semi stable 30fps. Switch is more powerful than xbox 360, it could run it easily, but some work would have to be put into porting the game
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe That's never the Switch's problem. Other ports have proven again and again that it's entirely the devs fault if a game looks like shit or performs amazing on the Switch. Just look at Alien Isolation, that shit looks better on Switch than PS4's version. When done right beautiful stuff can be achieved.
Energy Blast He says in the video that the game was purposefully designed with the PS3's Cell processor in mind causing it to run better on that system
Energy Blast - When comparing remasters, DF will prioritise the better last gen version of the day. LA Noire was one of the few games that ran better on PS3, hence why it’s in the comparison.
Vaibhav Shah think about it the game is 4 years old, it takes money to port to consoles and they know that they most likely arew not gonna make the money back, plus servers for gta online. It just doesn't make sense from a bussiness stand point
Jefferson Flores Again... You do not work at Rockstar and don't know the financial situation. Its GTA! Its going to sell on any system it comes out. Especially on a portable system. Even people who own other systems will double dip just to play it portably. If people can buy Skyrim again for the billionth time, they for sure will get GTA 5 again on the Switch.
It will make so much sense to port GTA V on the Switch. It's very possible and all they need to do is use the last gen version with textures of the current and make the game run at 1080p 30fps.
Digital Foundry Thanks for that review. It was interesting ! However I do wish you had included the Xbox 360 and PS4 Pro and PC in that comparison as well though for more thoroughness. I don't mind if the review was longer because of it.
I meant of how many options you have to play. You can take the console experience with you in the go or play a game with super high quality. You truly have a crazy amount of options and it's truly is great.
I run this game on PC and it is really capped at 30 fps. There is a work around but it throws the physics of the game off which is sad because this is a good game..
So if I understood correctly the reason the Switch version runs worse because it was built in ps3 cell processor in mind, and it's not really optimized for the switch correctly?
Meh... Yes I am a Wii U owner with all the big titles, but they can't just port literally ALL the big titles. They need to focus on new big stuff like they have been doing overall. Now Bayonetta 3... that needs to be announced for Switch ASAP.
Superlosia how do you know it's barren? They've not even announced anything. And considering the plentiful rumors of a January direct as well as the fact they didn't let the launch year get barren either, is evidence enough that 2018 won't be lackluster. Not to mention the major game announcements by publishers during 2018 (Wolfenstien 2, new Tales games, etc etc)
The Switch can run GTA V. La Noire performed not so great on the Switch because it was developed for the PS3 in mind. GTA V is a multi platform game and it was on the PS3 and Xbox 360. It wouldn't be hard to get it to run on the Switch HECK, it probably could of ran on the Wii U.
I will be getting this for my Switch. I never played any modern games. The "newest" console I have besides the Switch is a Dreamcast. These ports are allowing me to finally experience these games on a system that I got merely to play the newest Mario releases, and that's a good thing. I imagine there are other people out there just like me who never played these games before and we're getting a chance to finally try them out.
Wait, so Rockstar released five new games last gen, but haven't even managed to release one yet this time around? Just a bunch of ports and almost-remasters. What the fuck?
Every time a Digital Foundry video is up, I am so excited about the comment section. Best comment section on youtube. Pure entertainment. Thank you DF!
The Switch can't even run a PS3 port at a solid frame rate? FAIL... ...on the part of the developers, seeing how the Switch version of Skyrim completely wipes the floor with the PS3 version of that game.
Did you miss the part where the When you build a game around a specific set of hardware, simply dropping it on different hardware, even if it is a bit more powerful, doesn't mean you automatically get better results. If the game had been built on the more similar chipset of the 360, it would have performed better on Switch than what we have now. The PS3 was such a radically different setup, that it caused all kinds of interesting issues. Bayonetta is a good example. Built on the 360, but when ported to the more powerful PS3, it suffered horribly with frame rate issues. It's the same concept here. Even considering that, PS3 built games ported to Switch do better than 360 games that were ported to the PS3 in many instances. 🤷🏻♂️ Maybe the developers could have squeezed more out, but I blame the PS3 architecture here.
Game never looked that good to be honest Edit: Not saying it looked bad or anything (facial animations are still top notch). Just everything else about it just wasn't that special even in the 360/ps3 era
The faces don't even look that good. Everyone's eyes are completely flat and hazy, if their eyes are even picked up. Some characters squint in a weird way that makes it look like they don't have eyes.
Thank you for this video. It's nice to know what options you weigh in with sacrificing graphics for portability as well as which version to collect for. This video is top notch, Thanks again.
This is all bull crap... I have noticed pop in at close range on PS4 Pro running at 4K making the overall draw distance horrible. Also when looking at the distance; The hills or mountains appear more sharper than the character faces.
Guys I just got my Xbox one x but I just realized there are no good exclusive games for it.I just looked up all the great games Sony has uncharted, horizon, last of us, God of war and so much more. That explains why Sony has been kicking Xbox's ass in sales. Check it out guys look it up for yourselves! My Xbox is an amazing 4k bluray player though!
Surprised the Switch version runs as well as it does in either mode. Imagine how much more difficult getting this game to run on the Wii U would've have been. Paired singles SIMD *Snicker*
I'm not sure about that, this game seems to use a lot of CPU resources. The Switch have a high GPU power processing than the WiiU, but on the CPU side, is hard to tell.
The Wii U features a better graphics processor (about 50% better than the 360's), but the Espresso CPU itself is a mixed bag with about similar general if not better non-SIMD performance. However, SIMD performance for vector and floating operations is only about *20%* of the Xbox 360's Xenos CPU. Games last gen were really designed around the 360 and PS3's exceptional SIMD capabilities, hence porting those games to the Wii U always resulted in less than stellar performance, despite the Espresso's architectural advantages like larger CPU caches, out of order processing, and an extremely short pipeline (4 for most tasks, only 7 for FPU ops). The Wii U even has a dedicated audio processor to further take the burden off of the CPU (as the 360 and PS3 processed their audio on their CPUs). When taken in context of these things, it makes sense why many developers snubbed the system.
I got it on the Switch .. and it runs good, just like Doom... y'all can let these nitpickers sway your understanding of the game all you want lol! it not the PS4 yet runs, and looks pretty close, plus I can take it with me on the go.. its Sooooooooo Goooood!!!
Gloerillero Because a gaming laptop is clearly super convenient to carry and play anywhere you want, definitely doesn't require charging more regularly than a switch, and doesn't need an extra controller. The point I'm making is that no laptop could ever be as small or convienient as a switch, so it's not gonna be the best option for everyone. Glad that setup works fine with you, but you can't say the switch version isn't good despite how many people, myself included, enjoy it
Cell-shaded and detailed are mutually exclusive now? lol You're killing gaming with your expectation of ultra realistic graphics that look outdated in 3 years. Zelda will look good forever, while games like GTA V look worse every second
xMKx T Rock But just as he said, it gets worse everyday. I think hes got a point there. I was absolutely stunned about GTA V's Graphics in 2013, heck, even in 2014 with the rerelease on current gen. But looking at it today, it starts to reveal its shortcomings. In 5 years this game will look like a mess to most people. Zelda on the other hand has a very timeless style to it. You could compare it to Wind Waker, which came out like 2003 and still holds up today.
LA Noire did change the video game industry, in a way. It led to talks about crunch times and inhumane working hours in the industry. Also, LA Noire is more ambitious than BotW? Really? It's not even a real open world game. The whole backdrop of LA is an empty wasteland that gives you zero reasons not to fast travel before investigation points other than some banter with your partner during the car ride. Even graphically the only thing that made it special were the faces, the actual world doesn't stand up to Red Dead, GTA V or even GTA IV. It's completely fucking static, the people and cars walking around are not even as reactive as in GTA III (yes, three) and I'm pretty sure there are no animals.
I'm curious if releasing a new dock with additives much like the Expansion Pak. Laptop can have external GPU's plugged in, so I'm curious is releasing a dock with extra RAM, and other boosts to CPU and GPU
MH| PinkSquidz Their next console should be called Super Nintendo Switch and tell people its a sequal to the switch like ps2 was to the PS. So people don't get mad when it gets exclusive games. But should have backwards compatibility
External GPU on a laptop usually perform much worse than a normal one, due the connection bottleneck. An GTX 1080 give you the performance of a GTX 1060, so, not worth.
even with that being the case, I'm sure it can still help with performance. though, knowing nintendo, setting that up can be very tedious for your average user so it'll probably be avoided
MH| PinkSquidz That won't be possible with this version of the console as it lacks and SLI port. It's possible, but rather or not they do that with a future version of the console is up in the air.
I am sorry but the switch is nothing impressive.. You are talking about years old tech.. You are comparing it to the PS3... Really??!!! No one cares if it is on par or a tiny bit better than the PS3..
Learn a little bit about how technology works and you'll see why the Switch is impressive. They're comparing it to the PS3 because that's what this game was built on genius. My gosh, it's like this is the first DF video on the Switch you idiots are watching.
PS4 Pro? Any information? I don't think Pro has native UHD/4K. While I playing on a 1080p display I know how a full 4K/UHD picture looks like through downsampling/supersampling but I still see edges and dithering in the game I don't see in this Xbox One X footage. So ther are two possibilites: 1. They forgot downsampling to 1080p users which would be a shame! It really sucks. Or 2. PS4 Pro is not native UHD/4K but something like 1440p. Please comment on this +DigitalFoundry.
It really is impressive what last gen could do, i mean lets look at games like GTAV, uncharted 3 and so many more that you wouldn’t think are possible on these old things
In technology aspect, it is much more surprising what Switch achieves being a mobile device with a consumption of only 16W than One X with a CPU and GPU PC mid-range that its consumption is more than 150W . It is incredible how technology advances. Great job, Nintendo (and Nvidia, of course)
the Switch port seems absolutely rushed and unpolished. the game didn't even look good for 360/PS3 standards compared to other open world games on those systems... and the Switch shouldn't have an issue improving performance given its more modern architecture and way better gpu. the fact it even has to use a dynamic resolution and still has the drawbacks it has is simply baffling! the game should look almost identical with minor upgrades to the PS3 version in portable mode and significantly better in docked... instead it even has drawbacks in docked mode compared to PS3, thats simply an awful display right there! especially right after Skyrim which shows the upgrades one would expect conpared to 360/PS3 and improves performance on top of that
This is probably just me. But all you did, was compare it more to the playstation than the Xbox one and Xbox 360 consoles. So, in a way, I kinda see this as clickbait.
In some games higher settings means blurrier shadows (sorry, soft shadows) but in others it means sharper shadows (sorry, more defined shadows). So, which one is more expensive to make?
Breath of the wild was built for the Wii U that was weaker in terms of cpu power then the Xbox 360 and ps3. More cpu power means more going on in the background, Breath of the Wild looks better and has a lot of environmental stuff going on but it was still held back by the Wii U cpu. LA noire is more demanding in terms of cpu usage while breath of wild pushed more gpu and ram power.
This is just a bad port on pretty much the behalf of all of the consoles, all the versions above coudl look way better if Rockstar really put their time to it.
Something like that - It seems MS have either paid them or gave them all free X's with the condition they try and make the X seem the best thing out there atm - basically their version of marketing. Fair enough, it's the most powerful hardware, but when the X and Pro are identical in textures, framerates and resolution - it's kinda obvious when they are being biased and most likely paid to say certain things
kalkampanaros yeah, I know - rockstar told me when I got my review code off them. Yet they left it out of this video and focused on the switch and base PS4 so they can't say both machines are native 4k. Xbox has paid or gave them free machines to purposely leave out the pro so it sounds like only the X is 4k
Can someone with some tech knowledge explain why the Switch version runs at a lower frame-rate when compared to the PS3- a 10 year old console. I know the Switch should be more capable.
TheBrownLamb they talked about it on the video. The ps3's cell cpu is a mess to optimize for and if you do make a game with it in mind it's even harder to get it to work with normal cpus
Another great video. I am torn with this title. The Xbox One X version is the best console version hands down but in our house I don't always get access to our main TV. The Switch version on the other hand may not look as good as the X but the game still looks incredible. Honestly if you did not have a side by side comparison I bet you would not really notice AND the game can be played everywhere. Simply incredible especially seeing the caliber of first generation release titles for the Switch. It only gets better from here!
Man the Switch version kinda got me bummed out. Every time you walk around someone’s yard or anywhere slightly dense on foot, everything just moves in slow motion. You’d be really into chasing a suspect down through an alley, then the slow mo kicks in and completely snaps you out of the immersion. I really wanna support 3rd party on Switch but Doom, Rocket League, and now LA Noire all seem to be pretty bad ports.
PhantomTech Rocket League and Skyrim are great ports. Even L.A. Noire is great. Most of the gameplay isn't out in the open world but inside interrogating people, which the Switch version handles as well as any other version.
Alexander Chilton Slow downs on LA Noire happen a lot. It’s really noticeable even when simply walking out to your car to get to the next destination. Even during crime scenes out in the open. I’d have to completely disagree on Rocket League being a good port. It is blurry as HELL on my TV and even in handheld. It even struggles holding 60fps on the TV. Hell even navigating menus causes stutter. If the ball is down the field and I’m having trouble actually seeing it, there’s a problem. Sometimes I think I’m playing a different game, cause I don’t get how ANYONE thinks that’s passable. As for Skyrim, I don’t have it so I can’t really say.
Fair enough, haven't played LA Noire yet but has mostly heard good things. As far as Rocket League, sure the resolution is shit but it runs very well and plays like it should. Haven't really experienced any gameruining FPS drops, and I agree the game is more blurry than other versions, but I haven't had problems seeing the ball (and I play mostly hand held). Unironically, maybe get your eyes checked (I got glasses two years ago and it has helped a lot, lol). I haven't played it much docked, so I can't argue that it would look blurry on it (but then again, if you are playing docked might as well play it on a PS4 or PC with better graphics). As far as ports go Skyrim to me is the best optimized one yet. Basically looks almost as good as the remastered version, runs at the same frame rate with very few drops, but it is also portable. Bethesda has also had a lot of experience with porting Skyrim to everything so that is expected.
PhantomTech might need a new tv . Handheld mode doesn't look great, but looks fine on my tv. Also the framerate seems to hold well for the most part. Also doom actually is a solid port.
Doom was an OK port, rocket league was a bad port (For the handheld mode where it looks shit and drops frames every time the camera swivels), L.A. Noire looks like a slightly better port but nothing can beat breath of the wild post patch from a technical stand point.
Its still a miracle what last gen consoles did with 512MB ram.
It have split memory. 256 MB of XDR ram and the GPU had 256 MB of GDDR3 ram.
Specifically for the 360, I remember quite frankly hearing that they had to use two discs!
Black Widow 512 ram of what? What are thry doing with 8gigs now? Nothing much
completely different architectures you could use 512MB of ram more efficiently on the Xbox 360 than 3 gbs of ram in today's consoles
Back to the good old days where hardware and games where still properly optimized.
If PC is so good why Isn’t their a PC 2 ?
EDMGamer Views Wut?
lol x)
PC gaming exposed.
XPOSED
There is. It's called AMD. Nvidia is last generation.
It makes you appreciate the PS3 even more. That eleven years old console is a beast.
even if it was difficult to develop for
@@joaquingonzalez834 Makes it easier to distinguish actually good developers from shit developers who arent worth their money
nope, 360 was better. easier to develope for, too.
@@friedrichii.aliasdergroe9233 it was a radical difference between making a game on 360 and PS3, and devs usually receive little to no time for ports coming from their bosses, and with the impressive and powerful but widely different and kinda complicated PS3 and the way to develop for it, it just isn't fair to discredit the developers like that
@@MrDiana1706 developing to PS3 was harder and more expensive. I completely understand the lack of interest from the multiplatform devs.
I bought it for Switch today. There have been a bunch of improvements since this video, and also looks better in portable mode.
V 1.2 patch on Switch is 13.1 GB...
agreed. finished it on the switch last year, already post-patch, and it was really one of the most entertaining experiences i've ever had on the nintendo console (played it in handheld-mode only). framerate was mostly good; the only times it was really hard was car chases while it rained.
@@gehtdinichtsan309 Was the pop in still bad? It drives me insane when playing. Thanks.
@@timholloway8821 No, pop in is still bad. I bought a $20 used game card from gamestop and the only problem is that some cars honk three times in a row in a glitchy way.
*If you're wondering why no 60fps on next gen consoles, is because the whole facial capture thing*
jeff peake do your research it’s even 30fps on PC too
I bet part of the problem is the optimization for the Cell.
The cell CPU is designed in such a way that anything you optimize for it runs like crap on regular CPUs and vice versa.
The PS4 and Xbone CPUs are at least powerful enough to plow thru the game at 30, but the switch just didn't had that luck.
Outside of the cutscenes (I think), you can play at 60fps but it breaks car handling
U can run this at 4K60 on pc without problems. the game is not limited in any way to 30 fps
No, u can really easily play this game at 60 fps on pc
The PS3 was a great way to play. No lags. One Disc. PC looks better and loads faster (almost instantly on my Omen 15) but had some stutter sometimes. Nevertheless I loved this game to death and still do. It's the game I was always dreaming of as a kid.
I absolutely adore this game. As a big fan of Adventure games, this was my favorite game in the genre. Shame that we never got another game in the universe or another one from Team Bondi.
I agree. I played this on almost every platform available, PS3, PS4 & PC. Only now I found that it's also available for the Switch. I can now play this anywhere I want. Woohoo!
LA Noire is one of the best games ever made. It blew my mind when I first came out. I wish they would come out with another one. Have they?
They were but the behind the scenes of this game made It not happen
They were going to make a game about Shanghai or something but it got cancelled.
I loved this game the first time around, started playing it last night on the Xbox One X. I'm really hoping that if it sells well we'll finally get the long awaited sequel.
The fact that a tablet like the Switch can even be compared to overpowered consoles like the X and the pro is incredible!
Xbox One X offering impressive visuals.
Nintendo Switch offering awesome portable play.
PS4 Pro offering mistakes.
City Fox *PS4 offering amazing exclusives*
City Fox PS4: Great exclusives and third party support.
Nintendo Switch: Great Exclusives and and third party support
Xbox One: third party support and um.......🤔 Teraflops?!? 🤷♂️
ItsYourBoiMlgChickmunt except Persona 5 and Bloodborne, nothing else is worth buying :v
They Call Me Trouble third party support and better visuals, and exclusives are personal preferences
They Call Me Trouble DAMMMMNNNN
It would be nice to see what they could do with GTAV. They had to overcome the hurtles of LA Noire being originally fixed towards the PS3, but with GTA they could probably squeeze a little more out of it. Even if it was just a direct match to the 360 version in visuals it would be amazing to have that in hand held.
Hurtles lol.
Nah gta would never work on switch. Even the crappy definitive edition drops to 480p and below 30fps.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe Yeah, beacuse it's an awful port. Gta v on xbox was 720p and semi stable 30fps. Switch is more powerful than xbox 360, it could run it easily, but some work would have to be put into porting the game
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe That's never the Switch's problem. Other ports have proven again and again that it's entirely the devs fault if a game looks like shit or performs amazing on the Switch. Just look at Alien Isolation, that shit looks better on Switch than PS4's version.
When done right beautiful stuff can be achieved.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe GTAV is a Xbox360 game, The switch can easily run that version
What about ps4 pro vs Xbox one x????
Clutch Tactics Gaming same i was waiting on the pro vs X
Clutch Tactics Gaming PS4 pro is dead
PS4 Pro is Dead.
Another one who breaks the record of how many times can someone have the period in one month.
PS4 pro is irrelevant at this point
Did you guys forget that the game also came out on Xbox 360?
I think it's because the Switch version is a slightly upgraded Ps3 version
And also on PC
They chose ps3 because it was the better console version at the time apparently
Energy Blast He says in the video that the game was purposefully designed with the PS3's Cell processor in mind causing it to run better on that system
Energy Blast - When comparing remasters, DF will prioritise the better last gen version of the day.
LA Noire was one of the few games that ran better on PS3, hence why it’s in the comparison.
Dam that Cell Processor, ahead of it's time
Now I really want GTA5 on Switch
OnlyMe not gonna happen
Jefferson Flores of course you would know... You are the CEO of Rockstar after all /s
Vaibhav Shah think about it the game is 4 years old, it takes money to port to consoles and they know that they most likely arew not gonna make the money back, plus servers for gta online. It just doesn't make sense from a bussiness stand point
Jefferson Flores Again... You do not work at Rockstar and don't know the financial situation. Its GTA! Its going to sell on any system it comes out. Especially on a portable system. Even people who own other systems will double dip just to play it portably. If people can buy Skyrim again for the billionth time, they for sure will get GTA 5 again on the Switch.
It will make so much sense to port GTA V on the Switch. It's very possible and all they need to do is use the last gen version with textures of the current and make the game run at 1080p 30fps.
That music in the background.. Hella calming listening to graphic specs and hearing good jazz 1900 music
it's actually a modern interpretation of gud ol' jazz
This is one of my favorite games of all time. Can't wait to pick it up for VR.
Digital Foundry Thanks for that review. It was interesting ! However I do wish you had included the Xbox 360 and PS4 Pro and PC in that comparison as well though for more thoroughness. I don't mind if the review was longer because of it.
My biggest problem with the Switch port and the thing that consistently draws me out of the experience is the texture/assets pop-in.
Yes, i hate pop in also.
What a great time to be a gamer seriously :)
same thing we thought back with the NES, Genesis, SNES and N64!
...then the same with the arrival of the PS
I meant of how many options you have to play. You can take the console experience with you in the go or play a game with super high quality. You truly have a crazy amount of options and it's truly is great.
yeah sure... then there’s EA
KenniCrazy well we don't talk about EA lol
It's not that easy to play LA Noire on the bus...
I run this game on PC and it is really capped at 30 fps. There is a work around but it throws the physics of the game off which is sad because this is a good game..
I hope Rockstar keeps porting other games to the Switch
😬 um...
Only Red Dead 1 got ported to Switch :/ (A great port, but not worth $50)
Switch giving that cinematic experience
So if I understood correctly the reason the Switch version runs worse because it was built in ps3 cell processor in mind, and it's not really optimized for the switch correctly?
but runs perfectly fine on every other new gen system and better... lmao
Yeah but they are way more powerful systems, Switch is more powerful than the ps3 but not that much too fix it's problems
Those systems are bruteforcing it. When you're working in the constraints of the switch, you need optimization.
I have this game on the Switch and i still can’t believe i’m playing this game on the go.
Jonathan Matos make sure you wear your seatbelt tight while mommy drives you around LOL 😆 😝 😂
Gen ED88 yeah, because he's the one that acts childish, right...
The Average Ordinary
Amen..
Gen ED88 Oh wow you use emojis so you must be cool
Completely destroyed him lol
Nintendo should focus on porting Wii U titles like Bayonetta 2, Smash, and W101 for their barren first half of 2018.
Meh... Yes I am a Wii U owner with all the big titles, but they can't just port literally ALL the big titles. They need to focus on new big stuff like they have been doing overall. Now Bayonetta 3... that needs to be announced for Switch ASAP.
Superlosia YESSS
Especially Smash man i sold my Wii U and o miss Smash T_T
Superlosia how do you know it's barren? They've not even announced anything. And considering the plentiful rumors of a January direct as well as the fact they didn't let the launch year get barren either, is evidence enough that 2018 won't be lackluster. Not to mention the major game announcements by publishers during 2018 (Wolfenstien 2, new Tales games, etc etc)
Is barren until proven otherwise.
Kirby and Yoshi are not top Quality tier games.
GTA V on switch will be sweet..
Switch cannot run GTAV.
Aren't you noticing the struggle it is having with a lesser game like la Noire?
I know but wouldn't it be awesome to see a handheld running GTA V?
The 360 and Ps3 ran GTA V decently, the Switch can handle it
The Switch can run GTA V. La Noire performed not so great on the Switch because it was developed for the PS3 in mind. GTA V is a multi platform game and it was on the PS3 and Xbox 360. It wouldn't be hard to get it to run on the Switch HECK, it probably could of ran on the Wii U.
Ripan Dutta sweet garbage
Should have put the PS4PRo against the X in this comparison, that would have been interested.
Spent 95% of the video talking about the Switch and PS3 versions.... Seriously DF?
I would really love to see a port of GTA V on the Switch. If they can achieve a 30FPS lock at 720p in portable, it would be an instant buy for me.
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Finally I’ve waited so long. Please do a Rocket League on Switch comparison next.
Christian Young they need to patch that
You waited for this? Why?
Yes I play ticket leage on switch
The Internet is a mistake
Starfey I agree with that.
So are you
@@john-zm4iu bruh what
I will be getting this for my Switch. I never played any modern games. The "newest" console I have besides the Switch is a Dreamcast. These ports are allowing me to finally experience these games on a system that I got merely to play the newest Mario releases, and that's a good thing. I imagine there are other people out there just like me who never played these games before and we're getting a chance to finally try them out.
Wait, so Rockstar released five new games last gen, but haven't even managed to release one yet this time around? Just a bunch of ports and almost-remasters. What the fuck?
re hash More like a de-master
Every time a Digital Foundry video is up, I am so excited about the comment section. Best comment section on youtube. Pure entertainment. Thank you DF!
Lets celebrate that Phelps' nipple looks 2% better on the switch than ps3 yet the game runs better on ps3. RUNS BETTER ON A LAST GEN CONSOLE!
You guys make the other review sites look like people that don't even know what a cpu is..... Oh wait they dont
The Switch can't even run a PS3 port at a solid frame rate? FAIL...
...on the part of the developers, seeing how the Switch version of Skyrim completely wipes the floor with the PS3 version of that game.
MrCaerbannog Exactly, and the Switch has improved and run Wii U games even better, a console that was already more powerful than the PS3 and 360.
Gokuto PS3 cell processor destroy the switch one...
Proto Razor no it doesn't
Ever thought about the game being not optimized enough on the switch?
Did you miss the part where the When you build a game around a specific set of hardware, simply dropping it on different hardware, even if it is a bit more powerful, doesn't mean you automatically get better results.
If the game had been built on the more similar chipset of the 360, it would have performed better on Switch than what we have now. The PS3 was such a radically different setup, that it caused all kinds of interesting issues.
Bayonetta is a good example. Built on the 360, but when ported to the more powerful PS3, it suffered horribly with frame rate issues. It's the same concept here. Even considering that, PS3 built games ported to Switch do better than 360 games that were ported to the PS3 in many instances. 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe the developers could have squeezed more out, but I blame the PS3 architecture here.
Great video as always
Switch offering portability
Xbone X offering power
PS4/Pro offering great exclusives and third party
Seems right to me; all are great choices!
X OFFERING better 3rd party visuals that SOUPERCHARGED PRO SONY is paying the exclusivity WAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TROZJAN cringy
Thirds Better On Xbox One X.
Well, the exclusives are better on the Switch, but yeah, taste and stuff
Ultra underrated rockstar masterpiece!! one of the best games I've ever played since 20 years. go get it!
Game never looked that good to be honest
Edit: Not saying it looked bad or anything (facial animations are still top notch). Just everything else about it just wasn't that special even in the 360/ps3 era
guess u started gaming only this year kid
Yeah, the only thing that it did good was the story and facial animations
The faces don't even look that good. Everyone's eyes are completely flat and hazy, if their eyes are even picked up. Some characters squint in a weird way that makes it look like they don't have eyes.
True, face textures are pretty bad, sometimes they just don't align with the movements, but the facial animations are still stellar even for 2017.
Does the remaster bring any new features compared to the original on PC? not sure if I should go with PS4 or PC.
Thank you for this video. It's nice to know what options you weigh in with sacrificing graphics for portability as well as which version to collect for. This video is top notch, Thanks again.
12:22 Xbox One X performance
This is all bull crap... I have noticed pop in at close range on PS4 Pro running at 4K making the overall draw distance horrible. Also when looking at the distance; The hills or mountains appear more sharper than the character faces.
best facial animation in the game history. absolutely in sync.
I LOVE this game. It's so good, not even comparable. In comparison with RDR2 I would claim that both are equally great in their own way
Happy thanksgiving to everyone at DF!
Guys I just got my Xbox one x but I just realized there are no good exclusive games for it.I just looked up all the great games Sony has uncharted, horizon, last of us, God of war and so much more. That explains why Sony has been kicking Xbox's ass in sales. Check it out guys look it up for yourselves! My Xbox is an amazing 4k bluray player though!
The Persian Gamer yup
The Persian Gamer all those exclusives you mention are awful games.
scuttle77 keep telling that to yourself
scuttle77
You know that isn't true.
The Persian Gamer You forgot the part where you never got a xbox 1X to begin with
Surprised the Switch version runs as well as it does in either mode. Imagine how much more difficult getting this game to run on the Wii U would've have been.
Paired singles SIMD *Snicker*
I'm not sure about that, this game seems to use a lot of CPU resources. The Switch have a high GPU power processing than the WiiU, but on the CPU side, is hard to tell.
Since Wii U easily beats PS3 and 360 in terms of power, L.A. Noire could have been ported to Wii U without limitations.
The Wii U features a better graphics processor (about 50% better than the 360's), but the Espresso CPU itself is a mixed bag with about similar general if not better non-SIMD performance. However, SIMD performance for vector and floating operations is only about *20%* of the Xbox 360's Xenos CPU. Games last gen were really designed around the 360 and PS3's exceptional SIMD capabilities, hence porting those games to the Wii U always resulted in less than stellar performance, despite the Espresso's architectural advantages like larger CPU caches, out of order processing, and an extremely short pipeline (4 for most tasks, only 7 for FPU ops). The Wii U even has a dedicated audio processor to further take the burden off of the CPU (as the 360 and PS3 processed their audio on their CPUs).
When taken in context of these things, it makes sense why many developers snubbed the system.
Let me guess :
Switch 640p
Pro 1440p
onex 1800p,
Pc various from 144p to 16k
BAY DROID 2160p*
Switch plays at 1080p though.
So you didn't watch the video, huh?
You kids with your p's, k's, and hdmi's.
Back in my day as long as we had color and coaxial we were golden ;)
BAY DROID He literally said in the video that the Switch runs at 720p and the OneX runs at full 4K.
Been waiting for this comparison. Thanks.
What about ps4 pro ? Is it in native 2160p ou not?
12:25 the monster awakens
Thank you! Was looking for this part! 👍
I got it on the Switch .. and it runs good, just like Doom... y'all can let these nitpickers sway your understanding of the game all you want lol! it not the PS4 yet runs, and looks pretty close, plus I can take it with me on the go.. its Sooooooooo Goooood!!!
Leveled Head Doom runs 600p 30fps on switch.
So not very good. I can take laptop with me and play doom with 2k resolution 60fps
Gloerillero 720p, and you mean "steal a laptop"
dusty48 No,and it doesnt run 720p often. Its running 600p or less 90% of the time
Gloerillero Because a gaming laptop is clearly super convenient to carry and play anywhere you want, definitely doesn't require charging more regularly than a switch, and doesn't need an extra controller.
The point I'm making is that no laptop could ever be as small or convienient as a switch, so it's not gonna be the best option for everyone. Glad that setup works fine with you, but you can't say the switch version isn't good despite how many people, myself included, enjoy it
Huge, detailed world to explore, unlike anything we've seen on a handheld... I guess they forgot that Zelda BotW exists...
thenonexistinghero you consider Zelda to be detailed? cell shaded grass and sky a few trees meh
Cell-shaded and detailed are mutually exclusive now? lol
You're killing gaming with your expectation of ultra realistic graphics that look outdated in 3 years.
Zelda will look good forever, while games like GTA V look worse every second
xMKx T Rock few trees lmao you people
Rei Bob gta v 5 years old and still holds up well
xMKx T Rock But just as he said, it gets worse everyday. I think hes got a point there. I was absolutely stunned about GTA V's Graphics in 2013, heck, even in 2014 with the rerelease on current gen. But looking at it today, it starts to reveal its shortcomings. In 5 years this game will look like a mess to most people. Zelda on the other hand has a very timeless style to it. You could compare it to Wind Waker, which came out like 2003 and still holds up today.
LA Noire did change the video game industry, in a way. It led to talks about crunch times and inhumane working hours in the industry.
Also, LA Noire is more ambitious than BotW? Really? It's not even a real open world game. The whole backdrop of LA is an empty wasteland that gives you zero reasons not to fast travel before investigation points other than some banter with your partner during the car ride. Even graphically the only thing that made it special were the faces, the actual world doesn't stand up to Red Dead, GTA V or even GTA IV. It's completely fucking static, the people and cars walking around are not even as reactive as in GTA III (yes, three) and I'm pretty sure there are no animals.
This was probably the only third party game that started development on PS3 and built the game world around the Cell processor.
really? Interesting point, if this is the case
I'm curious if releasing a new dock with additives much like the Expansion Pak.
Laptop can have external GPU's plugged in, so I'm curious is releasing a dock with extra RAM, and other boosts to CPU and GPU
MH| PinkSquidz Their next console should be called Super Nintendo Switch and tell people its a sequal to the switch like ps2 was to the PS. So people don't get mad when it gets exclusive games. But should have backwards compatibility
External GPU on a laptop usually perform much worse than a normal one, due the connection bottleneck. An GTX 1080 give you the performance of a GTX 1060, so, not worth.
even with that being the case, I'm sure it can still help with performance. though, knowing nintendo, setting that up can be very tedious for your average user so it'll probably be avoided
MH| PinkSquidz they would have had to have gone with Thunderbolt instead of USB-Type C to make that possible
MH| PinkSquidz
That won't be possible with this version of the console as it lacks and SLI port.
It's possible, but rather or not they do that with a future version of the console is up in the air.
You got lazy at the end and left us hanging on the Xbox One X version analysis. And also what about PS4 Pro?
I am sorry but the switch is nothing impressive.. You are talking about years old tech.. You are comparing it to the PS3... Really??!!! No one cares if it is on par or a tiny bit better than the PS3..
Learn a little bit about how technology works and you'll see why the Switch is impressive. They're comparing it to the PS3 because that's what this game was built on genius.
My gosh, it's like this is the first DF video on the Switch you idiots are watching.
ikr most people on DF videos dont know a thing about tech, its funny but gets irritating
PS4 Pro? Any information?
I don't think Pro has native UHD/4K. While I playing on a 1080p display I know how a full 4K/UHD picture looks like through downsampling/supersampling but I still see edges and dithering in the game I don't see in this Xbox One X footage. So ther are two possibilites: 1. They forgot downsampling to 1080p users which would be a shame! It really sucks. Or 2. PS4 Pro is not native UHD/4K but something like 1440p.
Please comment on this +DigitalFoundry.
It really is impressive what last gen could do, i mean lets look at games like GTAV, uncharted 3 and so many more that you wouldn’t think are possible on these old things
In technology aspect, it is much more surprising what Switch achieves being a mobile device with a consumption of only 16W than One X with a CPU and GPU PC mid-range that its consumption is more than 150W . It is incredible how technology advances. Great job, Nintendo (and Nvidia, of course)
"never had such an ambitious open world game on switch"
uhhhh breath of the wild?
Jah
What about The Witcher? Or skyrim?
12 minutes of Switch and then about a minute of Xbox x comparison , extremely misleading title from a channel that is normally pretty good.
So how does the original pc version compare to remastered PS4 and Xbox one versions?
Can't wait to see how good XC2 performs on the Switch. It looks beautiful.
We want assassins creed and mafia 2 on switch 😔
Riley Mcfadden it is boi
the Switch port seems absolutely rushed and unpolished.
the game didn't even look good for 360/PS3 standards compared to other open world games on those systems... and the Switch shouldn't have an issue improving performance given its more modern architecture and way better gpu.
the fact it even has to use a dynamic resolution and still has the drawbacks it has is simply baffling!
the game should look almost identical with minor upgrades to the PS3 version in portable mode and significantly better in docked... instead it even has drawbacks in docked mode compared to PS3, thats simply an awful display right there!
especially right after Skyrim which shows the upgrades one would expect conpared to 360/PS3 and improves performance on top of that
The CPU was the biggest limit here. Not thte GPU or RAM power. The Cell Processor on the PS3 its more powerful than the Switch CPU.
And skyrim its better because runs at 900p and not 1080p
Did Skyrim ever look as good as la Noire on ps3? Use your brain.
Wonder why they didn't show Pro and left out framerate analysis of Xbox One X?
More Sponsored video?
Bobdoblo They didn’t show Pro because LA Noire is native 4K on Pro also.
Mehrad 19
Ps4 pro on 1440p
Why do people buy a substandard console like switch when there are far more powerful ones ? Il never get it
I can say the same thing about the PS5/XSX when PCs are a thing
Oh btw, i‘ve seen another video on switch vs ps3 for la noire - is it true that car windows are not breakable on switch and maybe more things?
I am very happy for the switch's success
Never been a game this ambitious? I heard about this one game that was sorta big. Think it was called Zeldy or something?
This is probably just me. But all you did, was compare it more to the playstation than the Xbox one and Xbox 360 consoles. So, in a way, I kinda see this as clickbait.
Not just you this video was ass compared to their usual vids
Why did they skip saying anything really about PS4 Pro/Xbox One S?
I need nx gamer to do an analysis because DF slipping.
In some games higher settings means blurrier shadows (sorry, soft shadows) but in others it means sharper shadows (sorry, more defined shadows). So, which one is more expensive to make?
Red Dead Redempition 2 + Xbox One X = Masterpiece
30fps? How is that a masterpiece?
Not having a game on PC - how is that a masterpiece?
Console players are anti gaming egoistic assholes, but cry when we attack them and wonder why.
Pc+options and customization=bigger masterpiece.
The Ranger you won't even be playing it so gtfo.
“Never been an open world game as ambitious as this on switch”.... I think someone must’ve missed breath of the wild...
Breath of the wild was built for the Wii U that was weaker in terms of cpu power then the Xbox 360 and ps3. More cpu power means more going on in the background, Breath of the Wild looks better and has a lot of environmental stuff going on but it was still held back by the Wii U cpu. LA noire is more demanding in terms of cpu usage while breath of wild pushed more gpu and ram power.
Look at the graphics fool. And the AI and NPCs, which clearly makes LA Noire Moe demanding than BOTW.
The chance of GTA 5 on my Switch seem a lot lower
It was mentioned before that there was a prototype version of GTA V on Wii U so i guess there's still a decent chance for a Switch port.
Almighty Nintendo Pharaoh if this game has bad pop in it will look so much worse in gta5
This is just a bad port on pretty much the behalf of all of the consoles, all the versions above coudl look way better if Rockstar really put their time to it.
L.A Noire was built with the PS3's Cell Processor in mind, which fucked up pretty much any port of the game. There's still a chance.
Hell even the PC port of this game is bonkered
Plenty of new games are using motion capture, or am I misunderstanding your beginning point?
It's a very good game.
I've beaten it twice on my Xbox 360.
I highly recommend it.
I would give it 8.4/10.
Where is ps4 pro?did micro$oft paid you for not show it in the video.
THE AMAZING SANS Xb1'x is in the video though.
Something like that - It seems MS have either paid them or gave them all free X's with the condition they try and make the X seem the best thing out there atm - basically their version of marketing.
Fair enough, it's the most powerful hardware, but when the X and Pro are identical in textures, framerates and resolution - it's kinda obvious when they are being biased and most likely paid to say certain things
Turniplord l.a noire is native 4k on the ps4 pro.
kalkampanaros yeah, I know - rockstar told me when I got my review code off them. Yet they left it out of this video and focused on the switch and base PS4 so they can't say both machines are native 4k. Xbox has paid or gave them free machines to purposely leave out the pro so it sounds like only the X is 4k
Does the Pro need more spanking?
Why didn’t y’all do the pro version?
Lol irrelevant console at this point
MarkXV true😂
I would imagine it will look and perform like the 1X version, except be rendered in ~1440p and with lower quality textures.
Richard I predict that it will be 1440p upscale to 4k at 30fps
Bitxchesloveleixo man stfu. Iv seen you comment how many times. You're clueless
Can someone with some tech knowledge explain why the Switch version runs at a lower frame-rate when compared to the PS3- a 10 year old console. I know the Switch should be more capable.
TheBrownLamb patch
TheBrownLamb they talked about it on the video. The ps3's cell cpu is a mess to optimize for and if you do make a game with it in mind it's even harder to get it to work with normal cpus
the game was principally builded on the Cell Proccessador, the switch has weaker CPU to handle the game with better frame rates
did you even watch the video?
Jason Marchant I did but I’m not great when it comes to tech talk
Thank you for the video. What are the chances of a boosted Nintendo Switch "Advance"/"pro" ?
Honestly, I don't think it's bad at all. Pretty good for a portable "console".
XB1X MASTER RACE!
trade everything you got in and enjoy the glorious XB1X
Wanted to see Xbox x. Horrible review. Mostly switch.
PS4 Pro is a joke....I'm selling mine and getting the Xbox One X
Same. The pro has no benefits whatsoever
The last Hand So you dont care about games? Your loss.
Nice!
The last Hand Does anyone care?
cyberpunk 2099 yes i do! and since my games are gonna look better on the Xbox One X that's why im getting one :D
Another great video. I am torn with this title. The Xbox One X version is the best console version hands down but in our house I don't always get access to our main TV. The Switch version on the other hand may not look as good as the X but the game still looks incredible. Honestly if you did not have a side by side comparison I bet you would not really notice AND the game can be played everywhere. Simply incredible especially seeing the caliber of first generation release titles for the Switch. It only gets better from here!
What's the name of the background music ? I'm sure I've heard it in a game.
Simple the X is A Beast
Man the Switch version kinda got me bummed out. Every time you walk around someone’s yard or anywhere slightly dense on foot, everything just moves in slow motion. You’d be really into chasing a suspect down through an alley, then the slow mo kicks in and completely snaps you out of the immersion. I really wanna support 3rd party on Switch but Doom, Rocket League, and now LA Noire all seem to be pretty bad ports.
PhantomTech Rocket League and Skyrim are great ports.
Even L.A. Noire is great. Most of the gameplay isn't out in the open world but inside interrogating people, which the Switch version handles as well as any other version.
Alexander Chilton
Slow downs on LA Noire happen a lot. It’s really noticeable even when simply walking out to your car to get to the next destination. Even during crime scenes out in the open.
I’d have to completely disagree on Rocket League being a good port. It is blurry as HELL on my TV and even in handheld. It even struggles holding 60fps on the TV. Hell even navigating menus causes stutter. If the ball is down the field and I’m having trouble actually seeing it, there’s a problem. Sometimes I think I’m playing a different game, cause I don’t get how ANYONE thinks that’s passable.
As for Skyrim, I don’t have it so I can’t really say.
Fair enough, haven't played LA Noire yet but has mostly heard good things.
As far as Rocket League, sure the resolution is shit but it runs very well and plays like it should. Haven't really experienced any gameruining FPS drops, and I agree the game is more blurry than other versions, but I haven't had problems seeing the ball (and I play mostly hand held). Unironically, maybe get your eyes checked (I got glasses two years ago and it has helped a lot, lol).
I haven't played it much docked, so I can't argue that it would look blurry on it (but then again, if you are playing docked might as well play it on a PS4 or PC with better graphics).
As far as ports go Skyrim to me is the best optimized one yet. Basically looks almost as good as the remastered version, runs at the same frame rate with very few drops, but it is also portable.
Bethesda has also had a lot of experience with porting Skyrim to everything so that is expected.
PhantomTech might need a new tv . Handheld mode doesn't look great, but looks fine on my tv. Also the framerate seems to hold well for the most part. Also doom actually is a solid port.
Doom was an OK port, rocket league was a bad port (For the handheld mode where it looks shit and drops frames every time the camera swivels), L.A. Noire looks like a slightly better port but nothing can beat breath of the wild post patch from a technical stand point.
PS3 Wins
PS3 - $1
Switch - $50
4:07 a car disappeared on the Switch.
Man...the music...its so...smooth.