Bernado Kastrup PhD- Computer Science, PhD in philosophical idealism 🙏 Rupert Spira - Spiritual Guide & Coach 🙏 The "diamond" which Bernado alluded as the "impersonal" is our eternal "True (Self) Nature" as opposed to the "personal" which is our impermanent egoic self; It is within each of us. It is formless, invisible, inconceivable, imperceptible, neither comes nor goes; It neither appears nor disappears, neither stays nor leaves, neither increases nor decreases. Indestructible, and it is beyond Causation or Causality; It is self existing sovereign, unborn and it never dies. It knows and knows not, thus it is All-knowing; It is everywhere & yet nowhere. It is the (Universal) "force" or "energy" that pervades the entire Universe or Creation. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
On one hand, we are taught that the ego is essentially fiction. On the other hand, Bernard seems to imply that the ego is indeed real and very much needed to watch over and direct the Force of nature that is in us and through us That could wreak havoc upon the world and us if we don’t direct it. Is this a paradox masquerading as a contradiction, or contradiction masquerading as a paradox?
my understanding is that the ego as a self contained essence that is seperate and independent from the rest of reality is a fiction - but as an appearance with apparent causal power within the whole, is real.
There are no forces guiding the lives of others. There is only Now, the Infinite One being all that is being. There are no others at all, hence no separate so-called people with separate lives.
Were there really two diamonds or just two facets of the one diamond considering one refracted beam generated as it played and felt that that form can be reshaped to further the collective form projected by the diamond.
yes, that's a familiar problem in these kinds of discussions: using a word like "ego" which can mean so many different things, but we just kindof pretend we all know what we mean by it.
@@Robb3348 Yes, but that is us lay-people :) ... But most sages (apart from E.Tolle an 'Adyashanti' ) mean ut as the separate self 'me', apparent entity, - which is only real by the -as I implied trick of conditioning
Bernardo, there is a line by Kris Kristofferson you might like - "looking back and longing for the freedom of my chains..." Thanks again, guys! Be Cool.
Thank you very much to both of you. Very, very interesting. I would only suggest the host to speak more clearly and slowlier, if possible, perhaps it's because of his beard but his words are often hard to comprehend
Even though they’re saying interesting things, I don’t think they realize how deceptive and clever our minds are. This is very common to all these so called, ‘spiritual’ teachers, they had some experience, which gives them some partial insight or some understanding, which has some newness into it. And then the clever and a capable mind says, wow, I can write about it, I can talk about it, and then oh, I can become a teacher, what a trip of a self- deception. People who claimed to be enlightened, like Buddha, but the evidence shows that he truly was, could get human beings free themselves from the prison of conditioning, or duality of me and not not me. Now these very smart and talented people with some theories and assumptions are going to free us from this prison, which includes all the content of our consciousness, which is ambition, fear, comparison, anxiety, religion, nationality, anger, sorrow, and list goes on. Sirs, what you discovered is already taken over by your ego, so whatever you are saying, it is coming from the content of your brain, which is our consciousness, all our actions and feelings, and reactions are product of that content. But I have to admit that, what you are saying has its own effect on our minds, but it is very limited one. But it’s much more important than what the so called ‘religious, people are saying, but you cannot bring clarity to a confused and very deeply hurt, and traumatized human beings with some theories, even they can be true.This Country just elected a very wounded and traumatized President, that should tell us something. Are we getting closer to enlightenment?
Truly awesome. I truly believe mine are (or being, pushed, prodded, poked by Heyokas. Truly amazing, truly insane life, don't wish it on anyone and , wow I know there their and they know I know. We do daily battles and hug it out because they remind me of how deep it isn't when I'm too caught up into (me) in the most out of this world chance kind of way.
If a diamond is neutral and like a force of nature and there is no separate self...... This video is a major slippery slope and doesn't offer deeper clarity.
The Force that guides people's live is their memory and their dependance on it . The teaching and programming by artificial Gurus are the biggest problem , Humans have become so confused by trying to understand and figure out all the b s , that they waste their lives , not one single person has ever returned back to G.O.D. because of your "wisdom" . Just a headful of info to temperarally forget their pain and loneliness...imo ❤
Rupert really believes he is a sage....when in reality he is just a TH-cam new age nondual commentator, (there is a pandemic of these characters) one could say likened to a motivational speaker, which what is said has no shelf life as it's mental constructs like describing a tree can never be the tree. Silence is the best teacher when one finally gets off the seekers treadmill and puts ones toys aside.....
I agree. Whatever Rupert is be that genuine, self deluded or a fake, to me his mannerisms give off negative vibes and as a 'spiritual guru' is a tad too questionable by way of his pauses etc. It is entirely unfortunate if Rupert is genuine as it can easily look as an act. Having said that he knows his stuff and is worth listening to, but trust him...not sure?
It's always so truly enlightening when these two beautiful souls converse!
Couldn't agree more!
Bernado Kastrup PhD- Computer Science, PhD in philosophical idealism 🙏
Rupert Spira - Spiritual Guide & Coach 🙏
The "diamond" which Bernado alluded as the "impersonal" is our eternal "True (Self) Nature" as opposed to the "personal" which is our impermanent egoic self;
It is within each of us. It is formless, invisible, inconceivable, imperceptible, neither comes nor goes;
It neither appears nor disappears, neither stays nor leaves, neither increases nor decreases. Indestructible, and it is beyond Causation or Causality;
It is self existing sovereign, unborn and it never dies. It knows and knows not, thus it is All-knowing;
It is everywhere & yet nowhere. It is the (Universal) "force" or "energy" that pervades the entire Universe or Creation. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
I treasure Rupert's humility and "uncontainable" offering... an impersonal force, that all i could do is say yes to it. And, I just surrendered to it.
beautifully put
They're saying Daimon, although I can understand why people think it's diamond.
Reminds me of those old J K and David Bohm Dialogues 😂.
really? what resemblances do you see?
On one hand, we are taught that the ego is essentially fiction. On the other hand, Bernard seems to imply that the ego is indeed real and very much needed to watch over and direct the Force of nature that is in us and through us That could wreak havoc upon the world and us if we don’t direct it. Is this a paradox masquerading as a contradiction, or contradiction masquerading as a paradox?
my understanding is that the ego as a self contained essence that is seperate and independent from the rest of reality is a fiction - but as an appearance with apparent causal power within the whole, is real.
I've concluded that those forces are the unstoppable machinations of natural selection and denial of how those machinations have affected us.
There are no forces guiding the lives of others. There is only Now, the Infinite One being all that is being. There are no others at all, hence no separate so-called people with separate lives.
Could it be possible to identify more with your "Diamond", to some degree feeling personalized? Seems others have attained similar.
Were there really two diamonds or just two facets of the one diamond considering one refracted beam generated as it played and felt that that form can be reshaped to further the collective form projected by the diamond.
Nab the mind. It's the culprit.
Love
Whenever I hear Bernardo Kastrup talking about his daimon I always think he's just being modest.
There must be a subject to know good and evil, that subject is the ego. The source of it is God. ~Ramana
Good and evil is split by the mind.
I am confused, BK: what do you mean by ego? I am with Rupert, that it does not actually exist but in our conditioning. Our beingness is not that...
yes, that's a familiar problem in these kinds of discussions: using a word like "ego" which can mean so many different things, but we just kindof pretend we all know what we mean by it.
@@Robb3348 Yes, but that is us lay-people :) ...
But most sages (apart from E.Tolle an 'Adyashanti' ) mean ut as the separate self 'me', apparent entity, - which is only real by the -as I implied trick of conditioning
Bernardo, there is a line by Kris Kristofferson you might like - "looking back and longing for the freedom of my chains..." Thanks again, guys! Be Cool.
Thank you very much to both of you. Very, very interesting. I would only suggest the host to speak more clearly and slowlier, if possible, perhaps it's because of his beard but his words are often hard to comprehend
Thanks for the reminder. I get that feedback a lot 🤦
:3.12: "this is not my ego stuff!! it's impersonel!!'' thank u! 🙏🙏it's not schisophrenia!!!!😜 conciousness love to laught😘
Even though they’re saying interesting things, I don’t think they realize how deceptive and clever our minds are. This is very common to all these so called, ‘spiritual’ teachers, they had some experience, which gives them some partial insight or some understanding, which has some newness into it. And then the clever and a capable mind says, wow, I can write about it, I can talk about it, and then oh, I can become a teacher, what a trip of a self- deception. People who claimed to be enlightened, like Buddha, but the evidence shows that he truly was, could get human beings free themselves from the prison of conditioning, or duality of me and not not me. Now these very smart and talented people with some theories and assumptions are going to free us from this prison, which includes all the content of our consciousness, which is ambition, fear, comparison, anxiety, religion, nationality, anger, sorrow, and list goes on. Sirs, what you discovered is already taken over by your ego, so whatever you are saying, it is coming from the content of your brain, which is our consciousness, all our actions and feelings, and reactions are product of that content. But I have to admit that, what you are saying has its own effect on our minds, but it is very limited one. But it’s much more important than what the so called ‘religious, people are saying, but you cannot bring clarity to a confused and very deeply hurt, and traumatized human beings with some theories, even they can be true.This Country just elected a very wounded and traumatized President, that should tell us something. Are we getting closer to enlightenment?
Nature demands philosophy?
interesting thought!
Truly awesome. I truly believe mine are (or being, pushed, prodded, poked by Heyokas. Truly amazing, truly insane life, don't wish it on anyone and , wow I know there their and they know I know. We do daily battles and hug it out because they remind me of how deep it isn't when I'm too caught up into (me) in the most out of this world chance kind of way.
If a diamond is neutral and like a force of nature and there is no separate self...... This video is a major slippery slope and doesn't offer deeper clarity.
There is no believing with rupert. He doesn't believe in anything. He knows.
do you believe that, or know that?
The Force that guides people's live is their memory and their dependance on it . The teaching and programming by artificial Gurus are the biggest problem , Humans have become so confused by trying to understand and figure out all the b s , that they waste their lives , not one single person has ever returned back to G.O.D. because of your "wisdom" .
Just a headful of info to temperarally forget their pain and loneliness...imo ❤
Rupert really believes he is a sage....when in reality he is just a TH-cam new age nondual commentator, (there is a pandemic of these characters) one could say likened to a motivational speaker, which what is said has no shelf life as it's mental constructs like describing a tree can never be the tree. Silence is the best teacher when one finally gets off the seekers treadmill and puts ones toys aside.....
Rupert teaches this too, maybe watch some more vids before you dish out a final judgement.
here you go - th-cam.com/video/_VUKfrA9oLQ/w-d-xo.html
I agree. Whatever Rupert is be that genuine, self deluded or a fake, to me his mannerisms give off negative vibes and as a 'spiritual guru' is a tad too questionable by way of his pauses etc. It is entirely unfortunate if Rupert is genuine as it can easily look as an act. Having said that he knows his stuff and is worth listening to, but trust him...not sure?
He’s just part of ‘’nature’s dance’’, as all of ‘’us’’ ☯️☮️
I'm so happy someone has found the One True Way.
The chosen, really?