The point he makes that for the finite there is always a reason for everything, but for the infinite the is no reason for anything, is key and so often overlooked. From the perspective of the finite, it is so easy to errantly impress the need for reason/justification on the infinite. The only answer to 'why?' with respect to the infinite is 'why not?'
What a beautiful exploration, Rupert. It brings to mind that ancient story of the Fall, when Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad. In that moment, the illusion of duality was born-“this is good,” “that is bad”-and with it came our sense of separateness or ego. That illusion has caused so much suffering, pulling us away from the ever-present reality of our shared Being, which knows no opposite and rests in unshakable peace. When we see that “good” and “evil” are not truly two separate forces but merely the cloud cover that obscures our natural state of wholeness, the heart begins to soften, and a deep recognition dawns. We realize that beneath all forms-beneath every thought, feeling, and perception-there is a timeless, boundless presence forever intact and free. In that presence, goodness shines on its own, effortlessly and without opposite. Your teachings help us gently wake from that spell and rediscover the innate happiness we all long for. Thank you. ❤
Hmm yummy , what is all encompassing can have no opposite . Reminds me of a course in miracles . What is Real cannot be threatened , what is unreal does not exist . Herein lies the peace of God .
This really changed my perspective. The words shared Being, truly resonated with me. I have been struggling to comprehend this for a while and your comment shifted something in me. Thank you 😊 ❤
Thank you so much for this video. I was pondering on this same topic today , and this video popped up in my feed . When the lady asked why the clouds ? I was like this is I always wanted to ask that if our own nature is so complete according to the teachings of non duality then why all this drama of the false self but watching your explanation cleared my doubts. Glad that people like you exist! ❤
Beautiful. One of the things about ‘infinity’ is that we are so conditioned to think/imagine/explore in linear directions that we overlook that infinite is infinite in every way.
Rupert, in this video, beautifully described happiness as the ever-present sky and suffering as the clouds that occasionally obscure it. However, when the lady asked the profound question, “Why the cloud?”, The moment of silence and the struggle to find an answer spoke volumes. The response you offered-that clouds arise because happiness needs contrast to be known, like an object needing distance to be seen-falls short of addressing the deeper essence of her question. The lady’s question reveals a critical tension in Rupert Spira’s teachings: his reliance on analogies like the sky and cloud, while helpful, fails to fully resolve the paradox of suffering within a non-dual framework. To truly address “Why the cloud?” requires a deeper understanding of the unity between form and formlessness, where suffering is not a separate entity but a veiled expression of infinite being. Without this depth, Spira’s response risks being intellectually clever but spiritually unsatisfying. Why must the infinite, “”complete in itself””, manifest suffering or clouds at all? Does this not introduce dependency into the infinite, suggesting it requires separation or contrast to know itself? Such a premise seems to shift from non-duality to duality, creating a paradox that the infinite relies on the finite for its self-awareness. From the perspective of Islamic Irfan (mysticism), this question leads to an illuminating answer. The clouds are not external interruptions or illusions-they are manifestations of the Divine’s Names and Attributes (Asma’ wa Sifat). In this understanding, the clouds symbolize the effects of God’s majestic (Jalal) Names, such as: • Al-Qahhar (The Subduer), • Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger), • Al-Adl (The Just), • Al-Darr (The Harmer), • Shadid al-Iqab (Severe in Punishment), • Sari’ al-Hisab (Swift in Reckoning), • Dhul-Batsh al-Shadid (Possessor of Terrible Might). These Names, representing aspects of Divine Perfection, demand a medium for their manifestation. Without creation, without clouds, these Names would remain unexpressed, like light without a surface to illuminate. The clouds are not mistakes or imperfections but necessary reflections of Divine Reality in the realm of multiplicity. This perspective dissolves the duality between sky and cloud, happiness and suffering, by affirming that they are not opposites but unified expressions of the One Reality. Suffering is a veil, not a contradiction or Illusion, guiding us back to the infinite truth it obscures. The truth of the infinite is not diminished by clouds; rather, the clouds reveal dimensions of its perfection that would otherwise remain hidden. Perhaps this offers a deeper response to the lady’s question.
To me is wath you give as an answer to the lady's question, is exactly the same Rupert gives: its the nature of infinite being to manifest, without reason. But this last sentence is to difficult for me.
وفسر الماء بعد الجهد بالماء تعتقد ان كلامك مختلف عن روبرت لأنك لاتسمع له كثيرا المعلم يتنازل للباحث في كلماته ليس عدم فهم منه وإنما رحمه جميع التعاليم والأديان تنازلات للعقل البشري لولا تنازل المعلمين للعقل البشري لن يكون هناك معلمين عدم التنازل هو الصمت 😶
Perfection As Pure As The Infinite Can Express. Delighted By The Reflection Of Light That We Share. Illuminating Brightly In Some, Dim In Others, Not Longing To Shine. Existing The Same In Each, Vibrating To Reveal Itself, Explore & Teach. Thanks Rupert 💖
I find suffering can be as interesting as happiness they’re equal in sound -tone and melody. As a sad song and a happy song. Both equal and wonderful. Start by feeling nuetral about it and watch how it can expand
Water can wet clothes and objects Water is already wet It doesn’t need to wet itself Lamp illuminates all around Lamp itself is illuminated Does not need another lamp to see it ! I know world, objects! I itself is openly knowing It doesn’t or cannot know objectively ! What a mind blowing exploration by Rupert 🙏
Love this. However to answer her second question a lot more succinctly I would've given her this answer: Why the clouds? Because if everything were positive/happy/good 100% of the time, what is there to experience that's different? Without malevolence or evil, we'd never know what good is and vice-versa. While non-duality is the ultimate truth of everything, duality is how we learn and know and grow from experience. More than one thing can be true at the same time. 👍
Oohhh yes!!! ...that inherent longing to return HOME strikes a cord. That inherent happiness for no reason...may we all find our way back (in)..may it be so 🙏❤🙏. Infinite gratitud Rupert, and to all beings that pose all those questions relevant to so many of us. Thank you ❤
"God will surely finish what He started in your life..." This strikes the ultimate cord. This is the most delicate, beautiful and powerful invitation to surrender needed to hear. Can't find words to express the gratitude. To you, Rupert, and to Life, God, Infinite Being (to That or other names) for using you as a delightful tool to point out to us towards HOME 💜. Much more to say...but in silence 🙏❤🙏
Rumi said it 700 years ago , the story of human how we separated from the origin بشنو از نی چون حکایت میکنه مرا از نیستان ببریده اند از نفیرم مرد و زن نالیده اند . It’s a beautiful and long poem Thank you Rupert for such clear explanation beautiful work .
In conjunction with what he's saying: Adam/Eve represents 2 who were one with the All. Eating from this supposed tree, of knowledge of good & evil, is the tree of separation, the division of wholeness, of goodness, happiness, harmony, peace,truth. When supposing there is division, we create division, there is no division but imaginatively, we believing imagination is true bring it into reality. It's not real but we have the capacity to make it utterly seem more real than the real. These are deep teachings & understandings.
A being is infinite only if it contains every possible state even the finite ones. That’s why it’s natural for such a being to be finite too. It’s just like the mathematical infinity: that too consists out of finite numbers in order to be complete.
@ he meant that god in his infinite state cannot know anything finite. That’s why god needs physicality/ us to experience the finite and our suffering as a part of it too. The suffering is the cost for the infinite for finite experience. There is no us. It’s all him in different physical forms. He suffers as us.
@@paimei7246 I know exactly what he said, I heard him. It's like him telling one person there is no chooser, then telling another person they can choose whether to raise their hand or not. They can choose whatever they want. It can't be both way.
Your understanding is correct. The other part of it would be that since the infinite also cannot suffer the finite and remain infinite, the finite expression must be a temporary arrangement. Infinite has no beginning and no end ; everything that has a beginning has an end. Eventually all that is finite will disappear as such.
God or infinite is both infinite and finite at the same time. The definition of the infinite is that it has to consist out of every possible state, also the finite. That means that infinite will always be also finite too in order to stay infinite. It’s a paradox, which one can expect from god. What does it mean for our finite world? Well probably after it ceases to exist, the next will appear just like waves.
Five obstacles to a pure mind: liking, disliking, drowsiness, distraction and doubt. Each one causes proliferation of thoughts. It's all making stories about experience. Refuge in Buddha is refuge in present awareness. Everything is empty then I make stories about what I see, hear, taste, and feel.
For "good" and "evil" to exist as well as to persist, one needs to be attached to the belief in these opposites. Both the idea of good/bad as well as the attachment to this belief pertain to the logical, conceptual mind. This is why good and evil is also subjective, because the mind has attached itself to a set of beliefs and as a result, it defends itself against anything that opposes that or threatens that. The best example I can think of is when we are faced with making decisions. Sometimes the mind is torn between which direction to choose. All that is needed is to allow seemingly contrasting concepts or ideas to simply co-exist in our mental space. There is plenty of infinite room in there. 😂 When we embrace the eternal, ever-present paradox, the mind becomes like a piano playing all sorts of notes... a beautiful concerto of tones of all kinds... which eventually ceases to make itself heard... This is ultimately inner peace... The Sun and The Moon always co-exist even though they only appear from the human/earth vantage point to only take turns in showing up at different times...
Just as Rupert Spira is doing it here, there is a children's book by Will Dalton called 'A little story about everything that ever happened' in which he explains this phenomenon of Infinite consciousness as simply. It's a condensation of the Vedas in the most eloquent, remarkably simple way.
Words are nice, but they are just thoughts. Without practice or action words are like eating candy - just "empty calories." Nothing changes except the mind gets more addicted and fatter. Realization does not come from words, they are just more ideas. Practice is what changes the mind, not words.. So throw my words away 😉 ❤🙏
@@WoSarvatraHain yes. sat-chit-ananda. i have heard this concept from Rupert and from Joseph Campell. and i think ananda means rapture, ecstasis. and is it possible to feel rapture all the time ? without going mad.? or another suitable word could be blissfulness. it matches, in a way, with the meaning of eudaimonia.
@panayiotisrock No. Ananda is not a state of euphoria or ecstatsy. Ananda just IS. it's you. It's the recognition of the absence of any suffering. That's what the saints teach. I just memorised.
In a NDE I was shown a void which consisted of negative energy. The golden light went down to embrace this energy to convert it into positive light. To do so the negative energy split into tiny black dots and infiltrated the light. The light then also split to become humans who took on the darkness which was painful but lasted fleetingly. That is how the light expanded into the darkness and why humans travel to the transition point of light and dark. The light in form of humans called the darkness to them in order to expand the universe. The reason we descend from heaven and long to return Ight
Rupert Spira 🙏 Our ordinary mind has dualistic qualities. Our True Mind or True Nature is without dualistic qualities. To paraphrase, the Teachings says - _The Dharma (True Nature) is non-dual, thus there is neither a sufferer nor an enjoyer in it._ 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
We live in a dualistic world. The desire for happiness is because we are unhappy. We bitterly reject it and strive to create Perfection. We describe it mystical terms: Non-duality. It is the pinnacle of our Delusion. To Be is to suffer.
@awakennotwoke The Teachings say - the Dharma is Non-dual, there is neither a sufferer nor enjoyer. "Who" is an apparent reference - 'no one' is there to suffer or enjoy.
Infinite being needs to have an experience of finite in order to know itself otherwise it can't. I think this idea itself is a human point of view rather than really the truth: as infinite being is infinite, everything is known there can't be anything unknown in true infinity. So why bother having human experiences with such tremendous amounts of pain and suffering, for some people, lifetimes of suffering without a clear meaning for the person enduring it (most people don't have access to true spirituality), what really is the point? I really think that "infinite being wants to experience and knowing itself" isn't convincing me at all
Because the only thing that actually and truly exists is love. So on the other side, we do not know suffering or pain or tragedy. We are, at our core, pure love. So our true us doesn’t know duality. We come here to experience that.
@sosmurfette and why? In perfect love there we have everything, perfect knowledge of love being in perfect love being perfect love, why did we need to come here to suffer from loneliness, violence, what for? For love? Then it doesn't make sense because when in perfect love we were in perfection there was was nothing that we needed to learn more about love because we were in perfect love knowing nothing but everything about love
I think it would have been simpler to explain that in order to experience happiness one must know what it is not to be happy. There it would justify the dark clouds. It was such a long explanation and rather complex 🤔
This is a beautiful discussion. But it feels as if it would beg the question : if Source cannot separate itself from itself, how then can Ultimate Being hear an individual's prayer?
Rumi said it 700 years ago , the story of human how we separated from the origin بشنو از نی چون حکایت میکنه مرا از نیستان ببریده اند از نفیرم مرد و زن نالیده اند . It’s a beautiful and long poem
Is it possible for Finite mind to go back to Infinite on its own? No ! It has to happen only by (casteless) desire of Infinite just as my dream can come to an end only by the working of our mind and NOT the part of ‘me’ playing a role in the dream. Am I correct?
Thank you. 7.38 . I Cannot find myself in the assumption that infinite being needs personification to experience itself. I think the human mind has no clue what infinite being really is. Do you?
🤍Thank Y🪷u for Sharing Ripert👁️ so the 🌊 IS The Place Where The ♾️ 💙c e a n begins to Appere As the finite 🌊 and ' Re-Turns' back from the identification and Knowing of ITSelf As the finite 🌊to The Recognition of ITS ♾️ Boundless 🫥 Nature💙
Yes, it's not that Infinite Being wanted to know itself; rather, to be infinite is, by definition, to include all possibilities - all expressions - one of which is seeming finiteness and separation.
Infinite being becomes opposites. It’s the stick that stretches in two directions infinitely. Being centered nullifies the ranges. Being centered is being still. Being still is being awake to what is. What is, is all there is. Talking about all of this is, well, all talk. Silly parrots.
You always end with “silly parrots”. Do you not see the cosmic irony played on you? Is it not you that constantly repeats this one phrase, like a parrot…..?
@ a term of endearment for those seeking what cannot be found. I too was a silly parrot. Now, just a free parrot trying to help those who believe they exist as such. You have a habit of saying things as though you know things. But you always without fail, never understand the important part. The cosmic joke.Silly parrot.
So is infinite being experiencing ITSELF through its finite minds/headsets, or is it experiencing its DREAM through its finite minds? Minor nuance but important all the same.
I don't need the " inspiration. " But i agree with the fact that being has no opposite. Except semantically. The opposite of being is NOT being . . . or NON being.
Hola ¡ 6:51 ens podem imaginar l'Esser infinit ? sí i no a la vegada, no peque ho som i no hi ha dodos i sí perquè jo sóc Ell aquí així en distinció sense ser dos.
"Happiness is not a feeling, it's the shining of being." Wow!. Another aha moment of so many over the years from our dear Rupert. Thank you.
Thank you for all your inspiration Rupert.
A river is just the great ocean having an adventure back to itself.
The point he makes that for the finite there is always a reason for everything, but for the infinite the is no reason for anything, is key and so often overlooked. From the perspective of the finite, it is so easy to errantly impress the need for reason/justification on the infinite. The only answer to 'why?' with respect to the infinite is 'why not?'
What a beautiful exploration, Rupert. It brings to mind that ancient story of the Fall, when Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad. In that moment, the illusion of duality was born-“this is good,” “that is bad”-and with it came our sense of separateness or ego. That illusion has caused so much suffering, pulling us away from the ever-present reality of our shared Being, which knows no opposite and rests in unshakable peace. When we see that “good” and “evil” are not truly two separate forces but merely the cloud cover that obscures our natural state of wholeness, the heart begins to soften, and a deep recognition dawns. We realize that beneath all forms-beneath every thought, feeling, and perception-there is a timeless, boundless presence forever intact and free. In that presence, goodness shines on its own, effortlessly and without opposite. Your teachings help us gently wake from that spell and rediscover the innate happiness we all long for. Thank you. ❤
Very well said ❣️❣️❤️👍🏽🙏🏽
Excellent Summary. This understanding makes life so much sweet
Yes, yes, yes. This is what we are all awakening to and realizing. 🎉🙌🥰
Hmm yummy , what is all encompassing can have no opposite . Reminds me of a course in miracles . What is Real cannot be threatened , what is unreal does not exist . Herein lies the peace of God .
This really changed my perspective. The words shared Being, truly resonated with me. I have been struggling to comprehend this for a while and your comment shifted something in me. Thank you 😊 ❤
Excellent video! Thank you Rupert for teaching the world “non-duality” with so much efficiency.
Thank you so much for this video. I was pondering on this same topic today , and this video popped up in my feed . When the lady asked why the clouds ? I was like this is I always wanted to ask that if our own nature is so complete according to the teachings of non duality then why all this drama of the false self but watching your explanation cleared my doubts. Glad that people like you exist! ❤
Rupert, thank you for your patience and repeatedly explaining these things to us 🙏😊
Beautiful. One of the things about ‘infinity’ is that we are so conditioned to think/imagine/explore in linear directions that we overlook that infinite is infinite in every way.
Rupert, in this video, beautifully described happiness as the ever-present sky and suffering as the clouds that occasionally obscure it. However, when the lady asked the profound question, “Why the cloud?”, The moment of silence and the struggle to find an answer spoke volumes.
The response you offered-that clouds arise because happiness needs contrast to be known, like an object needing distance to be seen-falls short of addressing the deeper essence of her question.
The lady’s question reveals a critical tension in Rupert Spira’s teachings: his reliance on analogies like the sky and cloud, while helpful, fails to fully resolve the paradox of suffering within a non-dual framework. To truly address “Why the cloud?” requires a deeper understanding of the unity between form and formlessness, where suffering is not a separate entity but a veiled expression of infinite being. Without this depth, Spira’s response risks being intellectually clever but spiritually unsatisfying.
Why must the infinite, “”complete in itself””, manifest suffering or clouds at all? Does this not introduce dependency into the infinite, suggesting it requires separation or contrast to know itself?
Such a premise seems to shift from non-duality to duality, creating a paradox that the infinite relies on the finite for its self-awareness.
From the perspective of Islamic Irfan (mysticism), this question leads to an illuminating answer. The clouds are not external interruptions or illusions-they are manifestations of the Divine’s Names and Attributes (Asma’ wa Sifat). In this understanding, the clouds symbolize the effects of God’s majestic (Jalal) Names, such as:
• Al-Qahhar (The Subduer),
• Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger),
• Al-Adl (The Just),
• Al-Darr (The Harmer),
• Shadid al-Iqab (Severe in Punishment),
• Sari’ al-Hisab (Swift in Reckoning),
• Dhul-Batsh al-Shadid (Possessor of Terrible Might).
These Names, representing aspects of Divine Perfection, demand a medium for their manifestation. Without creation, without clouds, these Names would remain unexpressed, like light without a surface to illuminate. The clouds are not mistakes or imperfections but necessary reflections of Divine Reality in the realm of multiplicity.
This perspective dissolves the duality between sky and cloud, happiness and suffering, by affirming that they are not opposites but unified expressions of the One Reality. Suffering is a veil, not a contradiction or Illusion, guiding us back to the infinite truth it obscures.
The truth of the infinite is not diminished by clouds; rather, the clouds reveal dimensions of its perfection that would otherwise remain hidden. Perhaps this offers a deeper response to the lady’s question.
To me is wath you give as an answer to the lady's question, is exactly the same Rupert gives: its the nature of infinite being to manifest, without reason. But this last sentence is to difficult for me.
وفسر الماء بعد الجهد بالماء تعتقد ان كلامك مختلف عن روبرت لأنك لاتسمع له كثيرا المعلم يتنازل للباحث في كلماته ليس عدم فهم منه وإنما رحمه جميع التعاليم والأديان تنازلات للعقل البشري لولا تنازل المعلمين للعقل البشري لن يكون هناك معلمين عدم التنازل هو الصمت 😶
Beautiful ❤, I totally resonate with this 🙏
Lots of you Rupert ❤
Absolute perfection, thank you Rupert!
Thank you for the dream analogy. The infinite being dreaming!!!
Well done Rupert....you really picked up everything I taught you.
Perfection As Pure As The Infinite Can Express. Delighted By The Reflection Of Light That We Share. Illuminating Brightly In Some, Dim In Others, Not Longing To Shine. Existing The Same In Each, Vibrating To Reveal Itself, Explore & Teach.
Thanks Rupert 💖
I find suffering can be as interesting as happiness they’re equal in sound -tone and melody. As a sad song and a happy song. Both equal and wonderful. Start by feeling nuetral about it and watch how it can expand
Beautifully explained. Thank you 🙏🪷
🙏 Thankyou Rupert for this beautiful explanation of Infinite Beings dilema.😂
Water can wet clothes and objects
Water is already wet
It doesn’t need to wet itself
Lamp illuminates all around
Lamp itself is illuminated
Does not need another lamp to see it !
I know world, objects!
I itself is openly knowing
It doesn’t or cannot know objectively !
What a mind blowing exploration by Rupert 🙏
Love this. However to answer her second question a lot more succinctly I would've given her this answer: Why the clouds? Because if everything were positive/happy/good 100% of the time, what is there to experience that's different? Without malevolence or evil, we'd never know what good is and vice-versa. While non-duality is the ultimate truth of everything, duality is how we learn and know and grow from experience. More than one thing can be true at the same time. 👍
@Rupertspiraa no.
Oohhh yes!!! ...that inherent longing to return HOME strikes a cord. That inherent happiness for no reason...may we all find our way back (in)..may it be so 🙏❤🙏. Infinite gratitud Rupert, and to all beings that pose all those questions relevant to so many of us. Thank you ❤
"God will surely finish what He started in your life..." This strikes the ultimate cord. This is the most delicate, beautiful and powerful invitation to surrender needed to hear. Can't find words to express the gratitude. To you, Rupert, and to Life, God, Infinite Being (to That or other names) for using you as a delightful tool to point out to us towards HOME 💜. Much more to say...but in silence 🙏❤🙏
Rumi said it 700 years ago , the story of human how we separated from the origin
بشنو از نی چون حکایت میکنه مرا از نیستان ببریده اند از نفیرم مرد و زن نالیده اند .
It’s a beautiful and long poem
Thank you Rupert for such clear explanation beautiful work .
In conjunction with what he's saying: Adam/Eve represents 2 who were one with the All. Eating from this supposed tree, of knowledge of good & evil, is the tree of separation, the division of wholeness, of goodness, happiness, harmony, peace,truth. When supposing there is division, we create division, there is no division but imaginatively, we believing imagination is true bring it into reality. It's not real but we have the capacity to make it utterly seem more real than the real. These are deep teachings & understandings.
Perfection.
The serpent told them they would be as gods, knowing good from evil.
A being is infinite only if it contains every possible state even the finite ones. That’s why it’s natural for such a being to be finite too. It’s just like the mathematical infinity: that too consists out of finite numbers in order to be complete.
And he has said the Infinite cannot know the Finite. IOW, he says God cannot know our suffering.
@ he meant that god in his infinite state cannot know anything finite. That’s why god needs physicality/ us to experience the finite and our suffering as a part of it too. The suffering is the cost for the infinite for finite experience. There is no us. It’s all him in different physical forms. He suffers as us.
@@paimei7246 I know exactly what he said, I heard him. It's like him telling one person there is no chooser, then telling another person they can choose whether to raise their hand or not. They can choose whatever they want. It can't be both way.
Your understanding is correct. The other part of it would be that since the infinite also cannot suffer the finite and remain infinite, the finite expression must be a temporary arrangement. Infinite has no beginning and no end ; everything that has a beginning has an end. Eventually all that is finite will disappear as such.
God or infinite is both infinite and finite at the same time. The definition of the infinite is that it has to consist out of every possible state, also the finite. That means that infinite will always be also finite too in order to stay infinite. It’s a paradox, which one can expect from god.
What does it mean for our finite world? Well probably after it ceases to exist, the next will appear just like waves.
Great one!! ❤❤
Awesome 👏
Five obstacles to a pure mind: liking, disliking, drowsiness, distraction and doubt. Each one causes proliferation of thoughts. It's all making stories about experience. Refuge in Buddha is refuge in present awareness. Everything is empty then I make stories about what I see, hear, taste, and feel.
Thank you
For "good" and "evil" to exist as well as to persist, one needs to be attached to the belief in these opposites.
Both the idea of good/bad as well as the attachment to this belief pertain to the logical, conceptual mind.
This is why good and evil is also subjective, because the mind has attached itself to a set of beliefs and as a result, it defends itself against anything that opposes that or threatens that.
The best example I can think of is when we are faced with making decisions. Sometimes the mind is torn between which direction to choose.
All that is needed is to allow seemingly contrasting concepts or ideas to simply co-exist in our mental space. There is plenty of infinite room in there. 😂
When we embrace the eternal, ever-present paradox, the mind becomes like a piano playing all sorts of notes... a beautiful concerto of tones of all kinds... which eventually ceases to make itself heard...
This is ultimately inner peace...
The Sun and The Moon always co-exist even though they only appear from the human/earth vantage point to only take turns in showing up at different times...
This was beautifully said. Thank you.
Just as Rupert Spira is doing it here, there is a children's book by Will Dalton called 'A little story about everything that ever happened' in which he explains this phenomenon of Infinite consciousness as simply. It's a condensation of the Vedas in the most eloquent, remarkably simple way.
Words are nice, but they are just thoughts. Without practice or action words are like eating candy - just "empty calories." Nothing changes except the mind gets more addicted and fatter. Realization does not come from words, they are just more ideas. Practice is what changes the mind, not words.. So throw my words away 😉
❤🙏
He is very eloquent, but he cannot stop to confuse with the word "happiness."
happiness comes and goes. i think a better word would be eudaimonia.
@panayiotisrock Aananda - A Sanskrit word. That's appropriate too.
@@WoSarvatraHain yes. sat-chit-ananda. i have heard this concept from Rupert and from Joseph Campell. and i think ananda means rapture, ecstasis. and is it possible to feel rapture all the time ? without going mad.? or another suitable word could be blissfulness. it matches, in a way, with the meaning of eudaimonia.
@panayiotisrock No. Ananda is not a state of euphoria or ecstatsy. Ananda just IS. it's you. It's the recognition of the absence of any suffering. That's what the saints teach. I just memorised.
11:00 I really feel like I didn't want to pay this price 😢
Your not your imaging
In a NDE I was shown a void which consisted of negative energy. The golden light went down to embrace this energy to convert it into positive light. To do so the negative energy split into tiny black dots and infiltrated the light. The light then also split to become humans who took on the darkness which was painful but lasted fleetingly. That is how the light expanded into the darkness and why humans travel to the transition point of light and dark. The light in form of humans called the darkness to them in order to expand the universe. The reason we descend from heaven and long to return
Ight
We exist with a longing for love and relationship - we exist to experience and engage in a loving relationship with the "Iinfinite being" ..... God.
Rupert Spira 🙏
Our ordinary mind has dualistic qualities.
Our True Mind or True Nature is without dualistic qualities.
To paraphrase, the Teachings says - _The Dharma (True Nature) is non-dual, thus there is neither a sufferer nor an enjoyer in it._ 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
We live in a dualistic world. The desire for happiness is because we are unhappy. We bitterly reject it and strive to create Perfection. We describe it mystical terms: Non-duality. It is the pinnacle of our Delusion. To Be is to suffer.
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"who" is suffering?
@@siewkonsum7291 Who is asking?
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The Teachings say - the Dharma is Non-dual, there is neither a sufferer nor enjoyer.
"Who" is an apparent reference - 'no one' is there to suffer or enjoy.
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Who is not asking?
The focus on the gray clouds, clouds your vision. Your vision, being physical is a delusional state of the reality. The inner is the true source
Infinite being needs to have an experience of finite in order to know itself otherwise it can't. I think this idea itself is a human point of view rather than really the truth: as infinite being is infinite, everything is known there can't be anything unknown in true infinity. So why bother having human experiences with such tremendous amounts of pain and suffering, for some people, lifetimes of suffering without a clear meaning for the person enduring it (most people don't have access to true spirituality), what really is the point? I really think that "infinite being wants to experience and knowing itself" isn't convincing me at all
Because the only thing that actually and truly exists is love. So on the other side, we do not know suffering or pain or tragedy. We are, at our core, pure love. So our true us doesn’t know duality. We come here to experience that.
@sosmurfette and why? In perfect love there we have everything, perfect knowledge of love being in perfect love being perfect love, why did we need to come here to suffer from loneliness, violence, what for? For love? Then it doesn't make sense because when in perfect love we were in perfection there was was nothing that we needed to learn more about love because we were in perfect love knowing nothing but everything about love
I think it would have been simpler to explain that in order to experience happiness one must know what it is not to be happy. There it would justify the dark clouds. It was such a long explanation and rather complex 🤔
This is a beautiful discussion. But it feels as if it would beg the question : if Source cannot separate itself from itself, how then can Ultimate Being hear an individual's prayer?
Rumi said it 700 years ago , the story of human how we separated from the origin
بشنو از نی چون حکایت میکنه مرا از نیستان ببریده اند از نفیرم مرد و زن نالیده اند .
It’s a beautiful and long poem
Is it possible for Finite mind to go back to Infinite on its own? No ! It has to happen only by (casteless) desire of Infinite just as my dream can come to an end only by the working of our mind and NOT the part of ‘me’ playing a role in the dream. Am I correct?
is the assumption that the infinite beeing wants to know something not a limited human way of thinking? what is it that I do not understand?
He said it is in the nature of infinite Being to do so. The “want” was a personification in order to paint the picture.
Thank you. 7.38 . I Cannot find myself in the assumption that infinite being needs personification to experience itself. I think the human mind has no clue what infinite being really is. Do you?
@@GerryvanHeugten You misunderstood. The “want” is figurative speech.
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Yes, it's not that Infinite Being wanted to know itself; rather, to be infinite is, by definition, to include all possibilities - all expressions - one of which is seeming finiteness and separation.
This makes more sense to me.
Infinite being becomes opposites. It’s the stick that stretches in two directions infinitely. Being centered nullifies the ranges. Being centered is being still. Being still is being awake to what is. What is, is all there is. Talking about all of this is, well, all talk. Silly parrots.
You always end with “silly parrots”.
Do you not see the cosmic irony played on you?
Is it not you that constantly repeats this one phrase, like a parrot…..?
@ a term of endearment for those seeking what cannot be found. I too was a silly parrot. Now, just a free parrot trying to help those who believe they exist as such. You have a habit of saying things as though you know things. But you always without fail, never understand the important part. The cosmic joke.Silly parrot.
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Well you did exactly what every ego on the planet would do. Congrats, you’re very special🙄All the best.
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Beautifully explained in words ☮Peace❤ love and Happiness to all 🙏 warning see my reply
Agree. Both are only an appearance. However, One is real. That's everyone's choice. So be happy!
"Life" and "suffering" are synonymous. Without suffering there would be no reason at all for "life" to exist.
Thank you! Pleasure is a "nutrition" and vitalization of the body whereas suffering is a "nutrition" and vitalization of the soul.
Sometime it looks like the desire to die. 🤷
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This answered my question! So poignant!
So is infinite being experiencing ITSELF through its finite minds/headsets, or is it experiencing its DREAM through its finite minds? Minor nuance but important all the same.
I don't need the " inspiration. " But i agree with the fact that being has no opposite. Except semantically. The opposite of being is NOT being . . . or NON being.
Infintie Being is advaita and ajata..
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Hola ¡ 6:51 ens podem imaginar l'Esser infinit ? sí i no a la vegada, no peque ho som i no hi ha dodos i sí perquè jo sóc Ell aquí així en distinció sense ser dos.
Finite is opposite
@Rupertspiraa Sorry, I dont want you sent my money, mr fake Rupert Spira
Worldwide, the meditation industry is now worth around 8 billion dollars, and by 2028 it is projected to be worth around 18 billion.
And yet I can do it for free
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