47:05 In Spain we literally had a conservative government write a Constitution in the 1840s because the one we had then had been written by the liberals. Both constitutions were mostly the same. We have had several constitutions, including both monarchist and republican constitutions. In fact, Spain was the first Monarchy to draft a Constitution (1812, during the Peninsular War).
These boys are so silly - they always are so fun to listen to. And they provide good, cursory introductions to a lotta topics, many of which some would never find without - a good program today, as usual!
1:05:28 as a Czech resident i have to issue a little clarification. There's a general "inciting hatred" law, that prohibits from doing so against "nation, race, ethnic group, religion, class or any other group of people, limiting their freedom" the general punishment is two years in prison. So they have tied it into the general hate speech law, and if you say "i think that bourgies shouldn't be allowed to vote in the future ", you could be prosecuted
I really like these omre information-dense episodes, they really feel like they do the most to *deprogram* the listener. please do more of them, i can't get enough of Hakim's sweet silky voice!
absolutely loved this episode, please do more theory heavy ones! sprinkled in of course, but I really enjoyed getting to compare what I'm learning in Marxist literature to what modern Marxists are discussing.
i don't know about other countries, but in Russia Constitution is basically on par with toilet paper. Nobody voted for it, it's being rewritten constantly and when the owner class can't rewrite the damn thing quick enough, they just outright ignore it when it benefits them. In short - constitution, toilet paper - same difference
It is the same in the US, except it isn’t revised often. The amendments are frequently ignored or circumvented to the benefit of those at the levers of power.
That's actually a famous quote said by our Dominican right-wing president in the 70s, Joaquín Balaguer: _"the Constitution is just a piece of [toilet] paper, if there are no men to defend it; what matter in every occasion are not the institutions, but the men behind them"._ Balaguer was the puppet of Rafael L. Trujillo during his military dictatorship, so he knows a thing or two about treating constitutional rights like dead words in a piece of (toilet) paper.
Yugopnik story reminded me of “Out Cold” the snowboarding movie where the guy shits in the sample cup when they’re all being checked for drug and steroid usage.
Great episode! Definitely would like to hear more theory episodes in the future. The willful ignorance of those that believe in the US Constitution is really highlighted right out the gate if u read the document. Just read Article 1 Section 2...
I'm curious to see how this series' analysis of liberalism compares to the "What Was Liberalism" series by Philosophy Tube. I suspect this to be more in depth, but in any case, I'm stoked!
Hi there, I'm sorry, but can you explain how is ruzzarin a marxist? He defended Salinas pliego in one of his interviews ( he almost said that rich people were victims too), he defended franco escamilla (that have a lot of anti comunist retoric on his political views and uses a lot of well known propaganda points) and went to work on one of the worst mexican TV broadcasters of all time, with only "feel good" material and a lot of "poetry". Sorry if this bother you, is not a gotcha moment, but the guy is (at least for me) very fishy.
@@estacion7386 He's not a Marxist, and I never said he was (probably not even himself knows what is he). He mixes lots of his post-modernist readings (of Baudrillard, Foucault, and the likes) with the weird chimera of _"Gustavo Bueno's philosophical materialism"_ from Santiago Armesilla. He's a confused and ambivalent armchair leftist at best, or a weird po-mo "red-brown" sympathiser at worst. I'm excited to listen the episode precisely because of the possible clashes between him and the guys.
@@Ajente02 I didn't mean to bother, thank you, I have seen a lot of people saying that the guy was Marxist, but i have no trust for him after the thing he says and do, and I have seen your coments so i tough you could clear that doubt. Again thank you.
Thanks fellas. This was a tougher one to understand, but I appreciate you guys helping me take the first few steps to better understand what liberalism is. I have only been exposed to the American popular definition/feeling of what liberalism is and this what was discussed here, in my view, is quite different than my experience and understanding. It's super useful to me, even though it's challenging.
D Graeber provides a lot of interesting details on transition from feudalism to capitalism in book "debt in the first 5000 y of history". You should absolutely read it.
31:44 Studying business management on university rn and after we talked about how the ever so influential Taylor piss on his grave Frederick thought there's two types of people based on intelligence - dumb ones that do manual labour, and the super big brain ones that do mental labour, like managers obviously - one person asked the professor more or else why Taylor thought he was more important when the manual workers produced value in the first place. He responded with "That would be getting into Marxist theory and I don't want to go into that." which was a pleasant surprise but also,,, coward. Keep the class hostage for an hour more to talk about Marxism Leninism.
Hey guys... I'm listening to the episodes in order but I wanted to know if the reading list that you guys mentioned in previous episodes was actually made? And if it is exclusive to the discord server/Patreon or if it ended up elsewhere? Thanks for the help. Love the show
On the point about "division of power", I'd honestly argue that the liberal obsession with dividing power ends up having anti-democratic effects because it results in popular will being diluted and ignored. In the history of most liberal democracies, especially the US, there's been examples of policies that were very popular with the people not getting implemented for decades due to party chicanery. Meanwhile in a more centralized democratic system, an elected leader can just implement popular policy or the state can hold a referendum. This is what happened in Cuba recently with their implementation of gay rights, they just held a referendum on it, when it passed, they implemented gay right, unlike the US which had a decades long back and forth on the state level and endless court battles.
On the topic of constitutionalism, I think the weirdest part (in America) is that, even if you want to see the founding fathers as these wise individuals who knew what they were doing, they *made a point* of the constitution being a living document that should be altered with the times. The idea that it is this divine text from above we must abide by without alteration was antithetical to *their own* conception of what they were writing.
I guess you can say there’s many Engles to Communism oh come on you knew I was going to say that just Marx it down, hey stop Stalin it I’m just Lenin a hand here
@Hakim: I've got one for ya. Say: "It's the duck's nuts!" I think we Aussies are the only one's that say it. It's reserved for something that's great, excellent, bonza, a 'you beauty!'
Have u guys heard of/read Caliban and the Witch? It was recently recommended to me by a fellow leftist and I watched an overview of the text by Dr. Justin Sledge over at the Esoterica youtube channel before diving in. I think it lines up with this series perfectly because it attempts to describe the witch trials in Europe through a capital accumulation lens and analyzes wage slavery as a means of taking power away from the home (and thus, community at large) where hard work does not earn a wage.
The more I listen to this podcast, the more anarchist I become. You guys have lots of important insights into liberalism, but your approach is basically reductionist and essentialist. JT says that liberty under liberalism is the "freedom" to starve if you don't subordinate yourself to the capitalist property owner. Sure, that's true. But liberty under liberalism is also the freedom to create a youtube channel advocating socialist revolution. Liberalism is BOTH of these things. How can you all fail to see this? I'm not advocating for liberalism. I'm simply saying that the liberal system that governs most of the modern world is immensely complex and varied, and it has aspects that are both positive and negative for human flourishing. It contains the seeds of its own destruction, and we are seeing it more and more begin to collapse under its internal contradictions. This whole "liberalism = bad" approach to political analysis can only serve to cover up internal contradictions in your own philosophy. I think you can do better.
Do you or others feel this way too? I keep moving further and further communist without identifying with any specific “sect”. I consider myself more anti-liberal and anti-western than anything.
Liberalism = bad. They can make podcasts for communism, but they cant achieve it without getting bombed and shot by the CIA. It gives you no freedom to work towards something better. You have to fight the system in order to improve it. You have to destroy capitalism. Thats why revolutions are a thing. Also anarchism = Bad.
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The invisible hand of the market is touching me inappropriately!!
I think Tuckered out refers to listening to too much Tucker Carlson, to the extent that you become extremely tired, and are driven insane
💡moment
As of yesterday, it would seem that Tucker's out
This is truly a certified Hood Classic ⚒🟥
Pass the Aux, new episode of the Deprogram came out
My favourite episode so far
@@miguelpereira934 haven’t listened yet so this is promising!
⚒️🟥
I got an Israeli tourism ad during this :(
This post was fact checked by real Bolshevik revolutionaries: ✅ true
Yugopnik's shitting story was hilarious.
I had just sat down with my food. I needed a moment.
What a fucking setup by JT. That's a true brother right there.
I'm supposed to believe it just happened like that? No! He orchestrated it! JT!
@@RoyalFusilieryou expect me to believe this chicanery?? he defected into a cup!
the silence of yugopnik is just priceless
Can’t believe y’all got me with the “mind goblin” 😂😂
As a German hearing Hakim pronounce 'Bürger' like borger makes me very happy.
borgir~
47:05 In Spain we literally had a conservative government write a Constitution in the 1840s because the one we had then had been written by the liberals. Both constitutions were mostly the same. We have had several constitutions, including both monarchist and republican constitutions. In fact, Spain was the first Monarchy to draft a Constitution (1812, during the Peninsular War).
Ahhh yes, time for my weekly dose of based content
Slurp it up
These boys are so silly - they always are so fun to listen to. And they provide good, cursory introductions to a lotta topics, many of which some would never find without - a good program today, as usual!
A good DEprogram
Someone needs to design a business card that fans of this show can print off and leave in areas where they will be found by normies.
That's a pretty cool idea, actually. I might do that but I don't go out much.
Someone make an American Psycho business card scene meme video about this, STAT !
Some based fucker held up a sign espousing The Deprogram in the US, that was like fifty weeks ago
Bro I work at fedex... let's get these things circulated!
Touch grass
Clearly, the Wendy's signature burger is the classic single.
1:05:28 as a Czech resident i have to issue a little clarification. There's a general "inciting hatred" law, that prohibits from doing so against "nation, race, ethnic group, religion, class or any other group of people, limiting their freedom" the general punishment is two years in prison.
So they have tied it into the general hate speech law, and if you say "i think that bourgies shouldn't be allowed to vote in the future ", you could be prosecuted
Not even two minutes in and we're already on the topic of *deez nuts*
This gonna be a good one
I really like these omre information-dense episodes, they really feel like they do the most to *deprogram* the listener. please do more of them, i can't get enough of Hakim's sweet silky voice!
Which one is that one
As much as I adore the chemistry between you three, THIS is the kind of content I'm here for. Very well done.
The Mind Goblin joke was 🤌
😂😂😂😂 i loved it so much. Poor Yugo
The greatest romance novel
'rom-coms'
@@juliakiehl9557 Ayeee nice
I love theory focused episodes like this one
absolutely loved this episode, please do more theory heavy ones! sprinkled in of course, but I really enjoyed getting to compare what I'm learning in Marxist literature to what modern Marxists are discussing.
i don't know about other countries, but in Russia Constitution is basically on par with toilet paper. Nobody voted for it, it's being rewritten constantly and when the owner class can't rewrite the damn thing quick enough, they just outright ignore it when it benefits them.
In short - constitution, toilet paper - same difference
It is the same in the US, except it isn’t revised often. The amendments are frequently ignored or circumvented to the benefit of those at the levers of power.
That's actually a famous quote said by our Dominican right-wing president in the 70s, Joaquín Balaguer: _"the Constitution is just a piece of [toilet] paper, if there are no men to defend it; what matter in every occasion are not the institutions, but the men behind them"._
Balaguer was the puppet of Rafael L. Trujillo during his military dictatorship, so he knows a thing or two about treating constitutional rights like dead words in a piece of (toilet) paper.
Great podcast!!! Never fails...
Yugopnik story reminded me of “Out Cold” the snowboarding movie where the guy shits in the sample cup when they’re all being checked for drug and steroid usage.
I love theory heavy episodes!
Great episode! Definitely would like to hear more theory episodes in the future.
The willful ignorance of those that believe in the US Constitution is really highlighted right out the gate if u read the document. Just read Article 1 Section 2...
Awesome episode. More like this please 😁🍽️
I'm curious to see how this series' analysis of liberalism compares to the "What Was Liberalism" series by Philosophy Tube. I suspect this to be more in depth, but in any case, I'm stoked!
This is the best
Can’t wait for the rest of the series
Great episode (as usual), looking forward to the rest of this series.
I heard on Diego Ruzzarin's stream that he'd been invited as a guest for the show. Any info on when it's planned to release?
Next week, according to the description. It's already available to Patreons.
¡OMG! YOU'LL HAHE *DIEGO RUZZARÍN* FOR THE NEXT EPISODE!!!
I'm very excited to listen that!
Hi there, I'm sorry, but can you explain how is ruzzarin a marxist? He defended Salinas pliego in one of his interviews ( he almost said that rich people were victims too), he defended franco escamilla (that have a lot of anti comunist retoric on his political views and uses a lot of well known propaganda points) and went to work on one of the worst mexican TV broadcasters of all time, with only "feel good" material and a lot of "poetry". Sorry if this bother you, is not a gotcha moment, but the guy is (at least for me) very fishy.
@@estacion7386 He's not a Marxist, and I never said he was (probably not even himself knows what is he). He mixes lots of his post-modernist readings (of Baudrillard, Foucault, and the likes) with the weird chimera of _"Gustavo Bueno's philosophical materialism"_ from Santiago Armesilla. He's a confused and ambivalent armchair leftist at best, or a weird po-mo "red-brown" sympathiser at worst.
I'm excited to listen the episode precisely because of the possible clashes between him and the guys.
@@Ajente02 I didn't mean to bother, thank you, I have seen a lot of people saying that the guy was Marxist, but i have no trust for him after the thing he says and do, and I have seen your coments so i tough you could clear that doubt. Again thank you.
Thanks fellas. This was a tougher one to understand, but I appreciate you guys helping me take the first few steps to better understand what liberalism is. I have only been exposed to the American popular definition/feeling of what liberalism is and this what was discussed here, in my view, is quite different than my experience and understanding. It's super useful to me, even though it's challenging.
This is definitely my favourite homoerotic podcast.
wonderful episode
Guys when will we get the deprogramm into full version?
Czech=bad
Poland=really bad
France=BAD BAD
UK=Unspeakably bad
As a UK resident I approve of this message It feels like the twilight zone here.
This was outstanding. Can't wait for the rest of this series!
comment for the youtube gods
Thanks guys, one of the best intros to date! ✊
Like the theory talk. Would love more like this please!
Hugely enjoy the theory episodes, please do more (occasionally)!
Favorite episode thus far. Great analysis, kept the witty banter, over all very entertaining and informative.
These types of episodes are why I come to this channel.
D Graeber provides a lot of interesting details on transition from feudalism to capitalism in book "debt in the first 5000 y of history". You should absolutely read it.
we need an April 1st episode about leftist meme culture and how they help bring people to the revolution
Thanks guys. I really like these more educational episodes. The one about the Korean war was great too.
Finally! My country was recognised as one of the cringiest 'liberal' countries! I feel seen!
31:44 Studying business management on university rn and after we talked about how the ever so influential Taylor piss on his grave Frederick thought there's two types of people based on intelligence - dumb ones that do manual labour, and the super big brain ones that do mental labour, like managers obviously - one person asked the professor more or else why Taylor thought he was more important when the manual workers produced value in the first place. He responded with "That would be getting into Marxist theory and I don't want to go into that." which was a pleasant surprise but also,,, coward. Keep the class hostage for an hour more to talk about Marxism Leninism.
Another banger
I very much enjoy this new educational format
Hey guys... I'm listening to the episodes in order but I wanted to know if the reading list that you guys mentioned in previous episodes was actually made? And if it is exclusive to the discord server/Patreon or if it ended up elsewhere?
Thanks for the help. Love the show
MHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I love THE DEPROGRAME MHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I NEED MORE :)
mates i am begging you to cover the upcoming (2023) "peterson academy" so i can have a good laugh
Bravo!
Dear Hakim, the Wendy's flagship BOURGER is Dave's hot and juicy.
Why is called Dave's hot and juicy?
Because it's hot. And it's juicy.
But who's Dave?
11:24 Got him!
1:04 for the celtic reconquest of Britain!
Theory EP = Eargasm. Very well done.
Love it thanks
11:20 LOL
do more of those kinds of episodes please
Moar. MOAR...WE NEED MOAR!
On the point about "division of power", I'd honestly argue that the liberal obsession with dividing power ends up having anti-democratic effects because it results in popular will being diluted and ignored. In the history of most liberal democracies, especially the US, there's been examples of policies that were very popular with the people not getting implemented for decades due to party chicanery. Meanwhile in a more centralized democratic system, an elected leader can just implement popular policy or the state can hold a referendum. This is what happened in Cuba recently with their implementation of gay rights, they just held a referendum on it, when it passed, they implemented gay right, unlike the US which had a decades long back and forth on the state level and endless court battles.
Would be awesome when you do theory podcasts to put some article, book recommendations in the description.
This is more entertaining that the normal guest lectures.
On the topic of constitutionalism, I think the weirdest part (in America) is that, even if you want to see the founding fathers as these wise individuals who knew what they were doing, they *made a point* of the constitution being a living document that should be altered with the times. The idea that it is this divine text from above we must abide by without alteration was antithetical to *their own* conception of what they were writing.
I guess you can say there’s many Engles to Communism oh come on you knew I was going to say that just Marx it down, hey stop Stalin it I’m just Lenin a hand here
Uphold Marxism-Alcoholism-Intactivism thought!
Great video do more theory videos but as always I enjoyed
@Hakim: I've got one for ya.
Say: "It's the duck's nuts!" I think we Aussies are the only one's that say it. It's reserved for something that's great, excellent, bonza, a 'you beauty!'
Have u guys heard of/read Caliban and the Witch? It was recently recommended to me by a fellow leftist and I watched an overview of the text by Dr. Justin Sledge over at the Esoterica youtube channel before diving in. I think it lines up with this series perfectly because it attempts to describe the witch trials in Europe through a capital accumulation lens and analyzes wage slavery as a means of taking power away from the home (and thus, community at large) where hard work does not earn a wage.
I appreciate the Izzard reference.
Happy Friday the thirteenth. Hope y’all are having a spooky day
If the liberal is prepared to talk about fascism they should also be prepared to talk about capitalism
Come for the theory
Stay for the Mind Goblin
Has hakim read any leftist critiques of bureaucracy like Utopia of Rules by Graeber, if so what are your thoughts?
So hakim was in the closet after all
I keep wanting to send guys you something from the Mega-Man Hack: "Ran: The Good Little Commie Bot"
As soon as homie said Wendy’s I was like send it bebe. @ around 15 minutes are you speaking on dialectal materialism?
Comments for the TH-cam gods
lmao I know the rice grain phrase because of Mulan. the cartoon version
32:45 - The tenants of liberalism
Too tired to keep laughing after only 12 minutes. Mind Goblin should be added to the English dictionary
40:50 MuH biParTisan biLL
wow new word learnt :- *Burgher*
I think they are talking about german "Bürger" (citizen)
In Spanish it's "burgués" (inhabitan of a "burgo", or borough in English, hence "bourgois").
our analysis is based based
Well Hakim many Americans think you’re fluent in English most probably because you’re still better than they are at speaking it XD
he is more eloquent than me n most americans ive met in my life lol
12:00
Thanks, I'm a Deprogram anti-introvismist myself
#borgir
What is your opinion on veganism?
Šta mislite o veganstvu?
Cheers. Poz
I for one think the de-commodification of human life and de-commodification of animal life dovetail together quite well.
real theory hour begins at 11 minutes of the video
That "Do you have a flag?" bit is from Eddie Izzard. Maybe he stole it from someone too. Anyway...
relistening all liberalism episodes
Soviets saw that in their cartoon in th-cam.com/video/quyaaszg6jc/w-d-xo.html
mind goblin deez nuts
Mmmmm, liberalism, my favourite. Remember - West is best!
The more I listen to this podcast, the more anarchist I become. You guys have lots of important insights into liberalism, but your approach is basically reductionist and essentialist. JT says that liberty under liberalism is the "freedom" to starve if you don't subordinate yourself to the capitalist property owner. Sure, that's true. But liberty under liberalism is also the freedom to create a youtube channel advocating socialist revolution. Liberalism is BOTH of these things. How can you all fail to see this? I'm not advocating for liberalism. I'm simply saying that the liberal system that governs most of the modern world is immensely complex and varied, and it has aspects that are both positive and negative for human flourishing. It contains the seeds of its own destruction, and we are seeing it more and more begin to collapse under its internal contradictions. This whole "liberalism = bad" approach to political analysis can only serve to cover up internal contradictions in your own philosophy. I think you can do better.
Do you or others feel this way too? I keep moving further and further communist without identifying with any specific “sect”. I consider myself more anti-liberal and anti-western than anything.
Liberalism = bad.
They can make podcasts for communism, but they cant achieve it without getting bombed and shot by the CIA. It gives you no freedom to work towards something better. You have to fight the system in order to improve it. You have to destroy capitalism. Thats why revolutions are a thing. Also anarchism = Bad.