The Deprogram Episode 77: Real Theory Hours 4 - Liberalism End Game
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I have never heard any bad Barcelona travel stories. Most contemporary nation states persist as illegal occupations, often in violation of their own law.
CHOCOLATE RAIN
Great seeing you here Comerade!
Agreed Barcelona is so beautiful!
Always fun seeing you around these parts. Solidarity forever.
Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven
There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today
Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
Wake up baby, it's time for your weekly one hour theory session.
*sigh* yes, honey
Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven
There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today
Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
I am now imagining Hakim sitting in a hospital room while the dead patient is still in there like a little ghoul eating their food.
Now I am too😂
Seeing your pfp and name outside of Reddit made me think I was going insane for a moment lmao
@@noellethomas2589 lol
As you should
*loud munching* Alhamdulillah *munch munch munch* you really should have tried this! *munching increases* this is incredibly tasty!
Come comrades, we must raid the fridges with brother hakim to defeat capitalism!
Seize the nuggets!
Seize the means of nutrition!
The boys thinking Hakim was eating personal HomEmADe patient sandwiches and not ever commenting on that before lmaooo
the whole sandwich discourse / absolution was golden 👌🏽
Educational episodes are my favorite episodes and it isn't even close. I'll probably listen to the whole series on liberalism again tbh.
Great episode, comrades! Thank you for the entertainment.
For a free, independent and socialist Catalonia!
An independent Catalonia won't be any more socialist than Spain currently is
I was starving for content from your guys, having two videos uploaded from your two on the birthday of Marx is a great feeling. Happy 205th birthday Marx!
55:15 Speaking of the working class using it's own methods of accessing and expressing political power, an anime from 2013 called Gatchaman Crowds features something similar to this. Their system uses a smartphone app to crowdsource voting on political matters and sourcing suitably trained, experienced and qualified individuals to deal with emergencies. It's very ahead of its time.
4:46 man pulled out the wilhem scream 😆
I like theory discussions. I learn a lot from them.
"Under socialism, you can stand up to your boss!"
This implies we need them in the first place, lmfao
You'll still need supervisors/managers in some sort of administrative/logistical hierarchy.
@Ewido only in certain industries. But like most industries definitely don't need a manager.
@@jword9961what industries/occupations don't need any sort of management or supervision?
Of course they're not important for most of the minute to minute details of work in general, but I can't think off the top of my mind of an industry where workers can just show up and things go smoothly without any final say about the agreement on distributing tasks and so on
@@TheMosayatpoint might be that the final say could be had by workers democratically rather than any one man - though it might be more practical to elect someone responsible for it
Y’all give me the will to live some days I can’t thank you enough
Love these episodes where I learn about something other than old men's balls
Summer is between autumn and spring
Summer is between the last summer and the next summer.
LETS GO MORE HAKIM LECTURES 😎
the boys were straight wildin in the beginning lol
I lived in Barcelona for 6 years studying there. Too many tourists, too many expats, rent absurdly unaffordable due to gentrification. Great metro underground system. Absolutely based protests.
Catalans all over Catalonia would say Barcelona is a shithole where foreigners (especially spaniards) avoid learning any Catalan. And outside Barcelona, barcelonins are known as pixapins (pine urinators) or camacos (from "que maco" meaning "so beautiful", which according to the meme is what they say when they see any natural landscape outside their city).
Sounds like every major European city. Despite having grown up near one, I am always a bit disappointed when I visit another one.
I love the theory heavy episodes boys
TL;DR: Liberalism endgame = get back to brunch
I mean, I do like brunch.
Can you talk about the Canadian bill C-11 putting state controls on all types of media full stop.
i love these eps, i hope we can have more of them. Like, i like the fucking around, but learning is equally as important.
I have an assignment using Rawls' theory of justice and Hakim's explanation filled in exactly what I thought was fucked up about all these authors I've been reading.
Rest assured, my essay is going to be changed now.
Let us know how things turn out (i.e what bullshit excuses your likely liberal professors will whip out to say you're wrong) !
100 or 200 level political science course?
Check out Theo Lowi's the End of Liberalism
@@Tetragrammaton22 Oh its just an elective called Democratic norms in education. Its like this because they completely atomised the Political Economy of Education course that our previous batches had.
Funnily enough, I've also taken critical theory and the reading that's been central to that has been Pedagogy of the Oppressed.
I did my thesis on Rawl's justice as fairness!
Interesting. My colleague lived in barcelona for a couple of years and her experience was that there was alot of crime and she even got robbed at one point. Maybe that was an outline idk.
Thoroughly engaging podcast. 10/10 would listen again
damn, were JT and yugopnik even present during this episode? i picture JT outside playing with his dogs and yugopnik chugging a beer in the back of his room and coming back every 20 minutes or so to see if hakim's still going.
joking, boys, ofc we love hakim's theory lessons
Today is the coronation of King Charles III, an event that will cost £250 million amidst a cost of living crisis in Britain, a country with 13.4 million people living in poverty. Here are some ways this money could be better spent to help the working class.
- £250 million could help pay for over six million medical appointments at a time when many people in Britain are struggling to see a doctor.
- £250 million would pay for training for 62,500 Teachers for preschool children helping them to learn and grow in a country with very expensive childcare and a stagnating birthrate.
- For the cost of the coronation, 1250 day centers for elderly people shut by the Conservative government could be reopened. This could help provide social activities for lonely elderly people.
- At a time when many British Nurses and other healthcare workers are using food banks and going on strike over pay, £250 million could pay for the average salaries of 7500 Nurses.
- £250 million could also recruit around 7,000 new Nurses and cover their yearly salaries. This would be a huge boost to the understaffed NHS, with the government having also scrapped Nursing bursaries which have impacted recruitment.
- Instead of wasting the money on the coronation, the government could build over 2000 new community centers bringing people together in an increasingly lonely and divided country.
- £250 million could be spent on giving 567,000 children free school meals for an entire school year in a country where 4 million children experience food poverty.
- For the cost of the coronation, the government could house around 10,000 rough sleepers for a year. The number of homeless people has been growing in recent years while the royal family lives in luxury.
- Rather than splashing £250 million on the coronation, the government could way the wages of over 5,000 teachers for a year at a time when many are forced to use food banks and recruitment targets are being missed.
Bolshevize the monarch
That's actually a surprisingly low sum, cheap-ass fallen off monarchs
@@bacicinvatteneaca That's tend to happen when you no longer have the military to loot China and India.
Remind me why monarchy is a thing in the 21st century? I thought at the very least we got past feudalism
8:48 Yeah you hear that a lot out in the Midwest. Here in Michigan we’ll pronounce stuff like “Pontiac” as “Pon-ee-ak”, or “garage” as “grodge”.
from texas, i do the exact same thing. it just works so much better!
Another one bless the deprogram
What do you mean by "more natural forms of enforcement of the law rather than just simply armed bodies of men"? I feel like there's a whole discussion behind that statement that would be interesting to explore sometime.
I think it means reinforcers of conduct, from the few things I remember from psicology in school.
There are extrinsic and intrinsic reforcers. In resume, the extrinsic are punishments and rewards, inrinsic are moral and idology. The second one is more complex but has better results if done right, like how some people can stop littering just by the idea of that being for dumb, poor (if there is bad cognotation with being one in that place) or idiotic people.
In the Socialist perspective, being selfish or corrupt can be linked with unciviliced or dumb people inside their minds, with education and propaganda, and we could make generations endoctrined in things that actually benefit us all, without making the person think that they did not make the choise of being like that, reducing resistence. Sounds vile and cruel, but all reinforcers are in some way and yet those are the only ways we can prevent most misconducts.
I imagine the concept is similar to how capitalists nowadays use debt to passively enforce property law. It doesn't have to be just propaganda, any form of social organisation which encourages obeying socialist law would work
@@KozelPraiseGOELRO Just in case you don't know, I believe what you're talking about would be related to role of solidarity in some anarchist theory.
Fantastic EP. It's one of those you want/need to hear again. Great theory discussion.
Communist dudes my beloved
For your algorithm
this is like elementary school and computer classes all over again - teacher lets us play counter strike for the first class and then the next one we have to study
22:20 just wanted to some up yugopnik's (wonderful) rambling up to this point; bourgeois society rules via the dictate that the beatings will continue until moral improves now get back to work.
Lenin said the dictatorship of the Proletariat would be the "abolition of the state as state" Edit: Engels said it but Lenin quoted him in agreement in State and Revolution
8:48 as someone who transplanted to CT from the south, I believe it is because people here speak quickly and refuse to annunciate, so T's break up words too much.
Just started listening to the pod cast and there theme song is simply the best
Please make a playlist of the full discussion series.
Cool episode. Bad empanada next.
I really love these educational theory episodes.
I prefer them over the other ones, in fact.
Thank you for doing this.
First and thus far only Patreon I'm subscribed to.
More theory please. Thanks 👍
The cops probably were Mossos d'esquadra the regional police of catalonia, also the flag they were wearing was the one of the autonomy not the pro-independence flag
49:00 made me laugh a little too hard
The question of Catalonian independence is a quite polemic topic in the Spanish left; almost all Spanish communists agree Catalonian people deserve self-determination, but they're kind of divided in the "how to". Most argue that Spain should become a federative republic with Catalonya as one of its constitutive federal entities (which would be the most idillic position as, even if it wouldn't give Catalonians the full independence, it would still make them equals with the rest of Iberic nationalities and keep them cohesed with the rest of the Spanish proletariat), while others support instead an unilateral independence of Catalonya from Spain (which would isolate the newly formed state, make it weaker and more prone to fall into crisis, but it would make it totally independent).
With all that said, the description of the bourgeois state and its inherent dictatorial nature due to the subordination of the general interests of society to capital was extremely well exposed. Perhaps a little less redundancy would've had helped in the last section to drive the message better I think, but it's understandable given the tired condition of our habibi Dr. Hakim.
I hope to listen to more future theoretical episodes, from the other two Deprogramers too!
Love me some theory episodes
Agree Barcelona is my favourite city in europe. Like a more southern berlin
About "winter": it's actually not that the t isnt pronounced, it's that t and d turn into alveolar tap/glottal stop (depending on dialect) when there in between two particular kinds of sounds!
I pronounce latter and ladder the same way, say them out loud and see if you do too c:
Honestly I think linguists use the alveolar tap symbol for that English/American just to distinguish it from the dental stop [d] since the alveolar stop uses the same symbol. What I'm saying is, I really think it's a stop rather than a tap, as someone whose native language has both.
15:48 Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that Lady Izdihar was talking about her experiences in the Washington state legislature and not the Washington DC legislature. Washington State would be on the opposite side of the US from Washington DC.
And you'll be yelling and screaming
COME HELP ME PLEASE
but seagulls MMHM
POKE YOUR KNEES!
Quit mentioning Cockshott and interview Cockshott
he tends to go on transphobic rants lmao. If they could keep him away from those, it'd be interesting to have him on
Hey I doubt that anyone will see this and it's probably not at all relevant (I havent finished the podcast) but I'm a little confused about democratic socialists, (not talking about social democrats). Is the reason the distinction of "democratic" in democratic socialist because they believe in voting to get socialism, or is it that they believe in socialism with a democratic system, post-revolution? Thank you! ❤
It isn't even really about that, but considering how it seems difficult for them to know anything about socialism itself, it might as well qualify as akin to "conformist anarchist."
A SD like you mentioned is basically just the Capi hiding covertly like a filthy lib as a "socialist." They want to keep the market-based capitalist system. The DS is the anti-thesis in that they also believe in attempting to vote in socialism, but unlike those plown-clowns they want to vote out the capitalist system, public ownership of the means of production, the normal things. It also varies based on the region unironically.
For example, you can find some that thinks it alone is inherently evil, permanently tainted to authoritarianism, and refusing to comprehend conditions, so they do the equivalent of "I can fix them!" Which is why they tend to be slow or entirely incompetent and irrelevant. The other type is the ones which aren't aware that the default systems involved is some sort of democracy in the first place. So the answer is if one has to do the bad-guy thing and do a simplified generalization: It is both they are too dumb to understand that politically they would already be gunning for a type of democratic system or the old council-in-a-council democracy, as well as too incompetent, uneducated, indoctrinated, and generally stupid to comprehend that they cannot just vote it in, keep it in as intended, and keep it in full effect within the rigged system as is.
If we had to view it as a basis thing:
Socialism is basically the economical side of the equation, handling the currency, resources, anything else viewed as valuable or important to any extent, and while economics can influence society on many levels, it is devoid politically. So one can assume that it is the potential third group, which is the interpretation of the political system being some sort of democracy, [if in America than sadly it means this dumb stage-play.] and the economic system is a planned/command cybernetic economy that has the people/workers in control of the means of production. [Either nationally, public collectivization, or the combination of nationalization and public ownership in general.] Then to figure that one out, you just ask the individual their particular belief system. I.E ones that are against nationalization of even higher end aspects like healthcare [which the budget everyone pays would go to anyway but people don't like the title "national"], ones that are purist public ownership, which can range from you literally pay for it to you still pay taxes and it funnels into an account/the budget, and thus everyone doesn't need to pay exorbitantly much because most countries have large populations for it and the normal rate can pay for it. [Which is still nationalized just more roundabout.] And you have the ones which believe in combining things like the railroad industry to be nationalized, but things like education are more directly publicly owned. Then you can also have the ones which can follow the above, but they don't want the planned economy but instead reverts back to the anarchial/chaoticness of the market itself.
In other words:
Bleh.
Most self-identified "democratic socialists" believe in economic socialism under a bourgeois parliamentary political system, Maduro in Venezuela would be an example. Us marxist realise this will never work which is why we argue for the overthrow of the bourgeois parliamentary political system. We also recognise that of all social systems socialism is inherently the most democratic, so calling it "democratic socialism" would be like saying "wet water" or "cold ice".
@@justanormalyoutubeuser3868 I know i'm repeating myself but Thank you!
to add to the above response, democratic socialism and social democracy originate in those who embraced reformism in the socialist movement. Democratic socialists are those who profess socialism, though through reform within liberal democracy rather than through revolution, while social democrats are those who have abandoned the pretense of socialism as an end goal.
Of course, democratic socialism is usually merely lip-service (such as the vast majority of the UK Labour Party pre-Blair since the party constitution nominally committed to 'nationalisation' of industry), or at best people with good intentions who do not realize that reformism is a failed strategy and that revolution is necessary.
I recently watched both Jonas Ceika - CCK Philosophy and Bes D. Marx's videos on the German Revolution, which I consider very good summaries of the situation and in particular the split of the Socialists there into Social Democrats and Communists.(though I have not watched anything of the former, and cannot vouch for his socialist line, though he definitely appears so in the videos I watched, and his videos are in my recollection the best of the two regarding exactly this topic)
edit: the starting question may simply be answered by "both", though it is important to distinguish bourgeois liberal democracy (which we must stress is not very democratic) like that we have today with the various forms of democracy which may exist under socialism, like that which has historically existed in socialist states or council democracy or even a similar system to today but without capitalists. Democratic Socialists usually favor the last of these, though their strategy seems very unlikely to achieve even that. To my understanding, Democratic Socialists are, however, named such for both - it is at once a description of their strategy, a branding move to distance themselves from Communists, who appear undemocratic to the public today, and a description of their preferred "post-revolutionary" order though all socialists, "except" of course those who do not actually believe in socialism, desire democracy in some form. Socialism is, after all, democratization of the economy.
Personally, I have no problem working with them as long as they have good intentions (discussing with them along the way). In my opinion, there is no enemy except those who cannot be convinced and converted (of course, sometimes action must be taken when they are working against us, but this is, as most attacks by regular people, a symptom of lack of education, which we must not treat personally even when we are counteracting it.) All the while we should of course remember that real change grows from the masses in the streets, and not the halls of capitalist power. Though of course, I might be an outlier in this collaboration - and it must be noted the aforementioned German Revolution is an excellent example of what happens when such collaboration in the name of unity goes horribly - we must therefore never abandon our own organization or principles in the face of reformists - there is room for diversity, but only among those in favor of revolutionary democracy, for those who are not will be able to crush us under any other system.
I love when these episodes have actual socialist substance
Haha Hakim is fridge bandit
Considering Barcelona is among the most unionist areas of Catalonia, you couldsay Spanish, but that's a thorny topic
I wanna see u guys reacting to TIK history video. Especially on public va private and hitler's socialism.
There is nothing to react to, TIK makes decent battles analyses but he is historically and politically illiterate to a dreadful degree. As soon as he got into politics his channel went off a cliff, he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
@@KekusMagnus look. I'm a socialist and watched his video and i have to admit he does have some good points. He also linked all of his sources. It's okay to disagree but you can't just dismiss it as just "he doesn't understand politics" or "he should just stick to tanks"
Dr Housekim eating the patients' food... 😓
Boost
Is it physically possible for Žižek to be on this podcast?
Sniffing ideology with the bois!
Considering he's a eurocentric NATO shill, him and the bois wouldn't get along.
Why would you want such a horrible reactionary on the podcast?
@Porky Us?
He's an enemy of the people
On commodity production: the reason why previous socio economic systems were so low productivity in comparison was because commodity production is required for SPECIALIZATION. I specialize in making something say... iron tools and take it to the market to exchange for things that other people specialize in and take to the market. Previous societies this sort of behavior of commodity production was indeed less common as people tried *to do everything themselves if at all possible.* The result was low output as fewer people were able to develop a highly focused set of skills.
This is the only way specialization can occur. If I specialize in making computer chips then I need to be able to actually get what I need from that specialization or I need to go back to trying to make everything myself. And Don't sit there and try to tell me "there are no skills in modern production" again. That's flagrant bullshit. The reason why the GDR in the Soviet Union wasn't able to create an electronics industry in spite of actually understanding how the electronics worked and having a theoretical knowledge of how they were made was that they *did not have the work force that could do so.* Full stop. Period. It's takes time to develop those skills. It''s a specialization. It's still needed today. People aren't interchangeable cogs in spite of what Marxists characterize.
I don't think that I'd ever visit Barcelona listening to the description... You shouldn't go to places where you are not wanted. 1) It's rude. 2) You won't enjoy being around people who don't want you there in the first place. They will act like jerks. Of course this is based upon the description, I don't know if he's just anti tourist, feeling that people shouldn't travel or something.
Please give a timestamp for when the intro ends? No offense but I don't care at all about any of your personal lives
Ugh.. I need to vomit