To follow up on my earlier comment....I tried this yesterday and today. Feedback from my playing partners was that they found the serve a lot harder and faster....but couldn't get the sane bounce that you demonstrated. I do have good topspin....but definitely another serve to add. Lastly.....read a few negative comments. Dont see why people have to vent....if u don't like it, move on. For me, keep the tips, drills coming....you're doing a fab job!
Used this method at a tournament yesterday and immediately noticed my serves were a bit harder to return. My teammates noticed the difference as well. Won a couple medals. Thanks Tanner!
Very well explained and I really enjoy the enthusiasm and excitement you have. I think it's inspiring to anybody watching to go out and try it tomorrow
Excellent video! Makes so much sense. Can’t wait to drill this tomorrow. Thank you for your willingness to share what you are learning on your journey to Pro play!
I went out at my normal drill time and practiced to serve 3 feet back, took a few balls to get settled in but with the high back swing in that extra depth, I was really comfortable with the serve. Thanks a lot.
I played a guy who stepped back pretty far and served by hitting the ball hard and high with topspin. It was like a lob with top spin and he was good at having it land deep. Because of the height it was dropping from the ball would bounce high and forward. Very annoying serve to hit back
Tanner, we really enjoy your tutorials. I've been serving from 3-4' behind the baseline forever, and added the huge hi topspin that goes deep for a couple months now Many of my drill partners are catching on. It's a great change up from my screwball, topspin drive and short angle corner serve I hit once my opponent is 8' back.😂
One drawback from serving farther out is that you’re also giving your opponent just a little bit more time to read the ball. Whether that makes a net positive or negative is also debatable. I’d like to see more data before deciding which is better.
@@tanner.pickleball right but can you achieve similar pace and bounce from the line with a slight adjustment of swing mechanics? That’s something I’ve been trying to figure out these last few weeks. I’m still not sure. But appreciate your channel. Def my fav pickleball TH-cam channel.
Another great video. I like to serve several steps behind the baseline. I play against a gentleman who can hit monster serves with huge top spin from deep like that, and every serve is a challenge to handle.
Love your ideas. Does serving back farther put the highest trajectory point over your side of the net so opponent mostly sees a ball dropping more and more rapidly?
Where are you looking to contact the ball? How high above the ground and how far out in front of your forward foot? I’ve played around with this style before, but haven’t found the right contact point yet to get consistent with it.
I like this video. Got a subscribe out of me. But I've love to see a follow-up on the body mechanics of the serve. LIke - how do we get under the ball to get that topspin? Are we using wrist? Or legs / core? What's the metaphor that will help us visualize how to do this.
Duuude. I wish you made this video last week. I got killed on 4.0 singles bracket last Friday. And guys got me with deep hard serve and my serve was opposite of that. This would have helped my game so much. Next time! 😎
This is just NOT accurate at all. In your video at 4:23, you said that you stepped into the court after you serve, you then have to back-pedal. Well, How do you explain PPA players like Federico Stakruds stepping into the court after they serve. Federico stands very close to the line when he serves. Fed is the #1 pickleball. How do you explain that?
So why would this get banned? Unfortunately some of the facilities I play don’t have much room behind the baseline: I hit about 5 feet over the net on my serve, wish I can get closer to baseline when it lands BUT it is too risky!!
For your 2nd and 3rd serves from your 1st 3 example, your body is blocking us from seeing where on the court and how deep the ball is landing. We can only see your shoulder. Perhaps a side view is better. I understand your point but your video recording needs a better perspective. The whole court should be shown and visible.
I don't think I agree with it being universally good to stand back a few feet for all players. I do think it's good for some as an option(esp higher level.players). If a player swings their max topspin serve with the desire height and that's as hard as they can hit it there's no advantage to them to stand further back (which might be the case for many amateurs). Even for higher level players, it's a plus/minus between training an 80%is percent serve vs moving back for a 95% serve. It just depends on what generates a more consistently difficult, deep serve for you. For me, i don't think I get that much advantage to being positioned further back. My meta generates a lot of short of returns off my heavy topspin deep serves so being further back puts me at a disadvantage for those shots when it should be an advantage. I'm also able to hit an 80% heavy topspin serve thst is as effective as a 95% serve from further back because I'm starting closer. Lastly, I have serves that pull the reciever way wide from both sides (slice on ad and topspin banana on deuce) so I'd lose the advantage of consistently executing these serve from closer up. I guess I'll try it out if for the days I'm missing my 80% serves though.
I come from a background in table tennis, and in TT you never want to give the same serve to the opponent twice in a row. The idea is to have many different serves so your opponent can't anticipate what you're going to do next. This may not be your most effective serve, but throwing it in every now and then can keep you're opponent guessing.
I mean I come from tennis and tt also but I'm just imaging my opponent face if I started serving all the time from 3 to 4 feet back in either sport. I'm more arguing that if lowering the power level to 80% at the baseline will give you the exact same serve/effect as moving 3 to 4 feet back so why not just work on getting more consistent at hitting an 80% serve instead of moving back?
@@michaelwang8195 but we both know that it won't be the same exact serve. Even in TT I could do the same serve but position myself differently and the results would be different. The idea isn't necessarily to produce a different serve, but to give the illusion that it's different. At least that's how I was trained in TT. I think the same could be applied here.
@matthewkeenum but that's my point. Standing further back doesn't allow me to hit a different serve. It makes to potentially easier to hit the same serve. Would you stand 3 feet back from the table to hit a reverse pendulum kicking left just because it's easier? I wouldn't because it would give it away. I would just get better at hitting it while still standing close to the table.
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To follow up on my earlier comment....I tried this yesterday and today. Feedback from my playing partners was that they found the serve a lot harder and faster....but couldn't get the sane bounce that you demonstrated. I do have good topspin....but definitely another serve to add.
Lastly.....read a few negative comments. Dont see why people have to vent....if u don't like it, move on. For me, keep the tips, drills coming....you're doing a fab job!
Thank you love to hear this!!!
Used this method at a tournament yesterday and immediately noticed my serves were a bit harder to return. My teammates noticed the difference as well. Won a couple medals. Thanks Tanner!
Good to hear!
Very well explained and I really enjoy the enthusiasm and excitement you have. I think it's inspiring to anybody watching to go out and try it tomorrow
Let’s go love go hear that!
Excellent video! Makes so much sense. Can’t wait to drill this tomorrow. Thank you for your willingness to share what you are learning on your journey to Pro play!
Thank you Rhonda!!!
I went out at my normal drill time and practiced to serve 3 feet back, took a few balls to get settled in but with the high back swing in that extra depth, I was really comfortable with the serve. Thanks a lot.
Nice work! Love to hear that!
I played a guy who stepped back pretty far and served by hitting the ball hard and high with topspin. It was like a lob with top spin and he was good at having it land deep. Because of the height it was dropping from the ball would bounce high and forward. Very annoying serve to hit back
Great info!! Totally agree
Your video style is really helpful to me. Always great pointers. Thanks 🙏
Happy to hear that! Let’s go!
Tanner, we really enjoy your tutorials.
I've been serving from 3-4' behind the baseline forever, and added the huge hi topspin that goes deep for a couple months now Many of my drill partners are catching on. It's a great change up from my screwball, topspin drive and short angle corner serve I hit once my opponent is 8' back.😂
Thank you very much!! Standing deep is the secret key I just discovered.. Love it hahah
One drawback from serving farther out is that you’re also giving your opponent just a little bit more time to read the ball. Whether that makes a net positive or negative is also debatable.
I’d like to see more data before deciding which is better.
Hmm not sure if that is a drawback. You’re able to hit harder and faster with a worse bounce!
@@tanner.pickleball right but can you achieve similar pace and bounce from the line with a slight adjustment of swing mechanics? That’s something I’ve been trying to figure out these last few weeks. I’m still not sure.
But appreciate your channel. Def my fav pickleball TH-cam channel.
Excellent tip. Thx.
No problem!
Another great video. I like to serve several steps behind the baseline. I play against a gentleman who can hit monster serves with huge top spin from deep like that, and every serve is a challenge to handle.
Love that, having a good drive is so crucial!
So efficient in dissecting positional stands. Awesome explanations & hey you crushed that game. Dupr crusher 😂
Hahahaah!
Love your ideas. Does serving back farther put the highest trajectory point over your side of the net so opponent mostly sees a ball dropping more and more rapidly?
Yes!! Exactly
I'm a noob and figured this out in a month. I surve very low to the ground. Arc it with a heavy top spin and it almost rolls when it hits the ground.
Yes!
thanks Tanner, I too am serving way higher over the net with a ton of top spin. The returns are coming back wonky and out.. thanks for the tip
Good stuff! That’s it!
Ooooh, I’m a fan of this! I’ve served lofty for awhile but never stood that far back. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
Where are you looking to contact the ball? How high above the ground and how far out in front of your forward foot? I’ve played around with this style before, but haven’t found the right contact point yet to get consistent with it.
I rest my arm naturally by my side then make sure I’m reaching for it
I like this video. Got a subscribe out of me. But I've love to see a follow-up on the body mechanics of the serve. LIke - how do we get under the ball to get that topspin? Are we using wrist? Or legs / core? What's the metaphor that will help us visualize how to do this.
Great call I will do a video on this!
Duuude. I wish you made this video last week. I got killed on 4.0 singles bracket last Friday. And guys got me with deep hard serve and my serve was opposite of that. This would have helped my game so much. Next time! 😎
Shame, but glad you learned!! Start using this :)
I hate receiving serves like this. I get pushed back and dont have much practice hitting waist high balls
Exactly!!!
Thank you for "no fluff" :)
You are so welcome!
Good video/information, but sound volume/clarity fluctuated a LOT.
Adding a second microphone on your other shoulder might help.
Thanks for the tips!
The screwball serves works well standing back. Especially if you’re a lefty like me.😮
Heheheh
This is what I’ve been doing lately, I just step far back and hit the shit out of the ball lol
Love it!
which park is this?
Boynton beach tennis center
This is just NOT accurate at all. In your video at 4:23, you said that you stepped into the court after you serve, you then have to back-pedal. Well, How do you explain PPA players like Federico Stakruds stepping into the court after they serve. Federico stands very close to the line when he serves. Fed is the #1 pickleball. How do you explain that?
Lol
@@tanner.pickleball I am waiting for you to tell me why.
So why would this get banned? Unfortunately some of the facilities I play don’t have much room behind the baseline: I hit about 5 feet over the net on my serve, wish I can get closer to baseline when it lands BUT it is too risky!!
Yes with a close back wall this is ideal!!
It's clickbait. It will never be banned.
I'll try this tomorrow 😂
Let’s go!
For your 2nd and 3rd serves from your 1st 3 example, your body is blocking us from seeing where on the court and how deep the ball is landing. We can only see your shoulder. Perhaps a side view is better. I understand your point but your video recording needs a better perspective. The whole court should be shown and visible.
Great advice
W video
:)
I don't think I agree with it being universally good to stand back a few feet for all players. I do think it's good for some as an option(esp higher level.players). If a player swings their max topspin serve with the desire height and that's as hard as they can hit it there's no advantage to them to stand further back (which might be the case for many amateurs). Even for higher level players, it's a plus/minus between training an 80%is percent serve vs moving back for a 95% serve. It just depends on what generates a more consistently difficult, deep serve for you. For me, i don't think I get that much advantage to being positioned further back. My meta generates a lot of short of returns off my heavy topspin deep serves so being further back puts me at a disadvantage for those shots when it should be an advantage. I'm also able to hit an 80% heavy topspin serve thst is as effective as a 95% serve from further back because I'm starting closer. Lastly, I have serves that pull the reciever way wide from both sides (slice on ad and topspin banana on deuce) so I'd lose the advantage of consistently executing these serve from closer up. I guess I'll try it out if for the days I'm missing my 80% serves though.
Totally agree! This is for more advanced players, rather than beginners. I keep most tips on my channel for advanced play!
I come from a background in table tennis, and in TT you never want to give the same serve to the opponent twice in a row.
The idea is to have many different serves so your opponent can't anticipate what you're going to do next.
This may not be your most effective serve, but throwing it in every now and then can keep you're opponent guessing.
I mean I come from tennis and tt also but I'm just imaging my opponent face if I started serving all the time from 3 to 4 feet back in either sport. I'm more arguing that if lowering the power level to 80% at the baseline will give you the exact same serve/effect as moving 3 to 4 feet back so why not just work on getting more consistent at hitting an 80% serve instead of moving back?
@@michaelwang8195 but we both know that it won't be the same exact serve. Even in TT I could do the same serve but position myself differently and the results would be different. The idea isn't necessarily to produce a different serve, but to give the illusion that it's different. At least that's how I was trained in TT. I think the same could be applied here.
@matthewkeenum but that's my point. Standing further back doesn't allow me to hit a different serve. It makes to potentially easier to hit the same serve. Would you stand 3 feet back from the table to hit a reverse pendulum kicking left just because it's easier? I wouldn't because it would give it away. I would just get better at hitting it while still standing close to the table.
Nice vid. Hate clickbait tho. Pls don’t do it moving forward
Thanks! Which part is click bait?
@@tanner.pickleball The banning part. This is not going to get banned. It breaks no rules and rules won't be changed to ban it.
video is fine, but the clickbait title is so cringe
Right…