The Labour Leadership Debate 2020
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Just a few days before voting begins to decide the next Labour Party leader, we're in Dudley North. A Labour seat since its creation in 1997, it was taken by the Conservatives in December as the 'Red Wall' came tumbling down.
With us are the candidates to be the next Labour leader: Rebecca Long-Bailey, Keir Starmer, and Lisa Nandy.
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Labour lost it years ago when they let Scotland voters drip drip away to SNP. But we the Scottish are never mentioned.
Thats not true. Go find the youtube video of the leadership hustings in glasgow last week. Scotland was at the centre of most questions and answers.
Not much point in mentioning the Scottish, you will be back in the EU soon.
@@19thewanderer what the english will be back in?
The Left used to rise and fall all the time, now with the internet they are finished.
At least they don’t get to the point of war to feed themselves anymore.
The funny part is Obama and Clinton are Right Wing to Europeans, Republicans are the real Right Wing lol.
@@Pathogen1984 But Scotland is only ever used for social experiments, for example, Thatcher's much-hated poll tax. I would support the SNP if they were consistent with the meaning of independence. They don't want to be ruled from Westminster but are OK with being told what to do by Brussels, which is even less democratic!!
I quite like Keir Starmer tbh, but the man just struggles with connecting with people. He comes across as a decent person, but he’s just too shy and dull. If he manages to spark up a bit he could be another Tony Blair. If he goes on like this he could be another Ed Miliband. His leadership (cause he will win) will be very interesting.
Lisa Nandy is a boss, but she’s not gonna win unfortunately. She understands how the party must change and why it must change and she speaks with conviction and confidence. Most importantly she connects with people. She understood that people voted to leave and unlike the rest of the party she didn’t flip on the position and call for a second referendum. I hope she runs for leader in the future, maybe when she’s a bit older and more experienced in the shadow cabinet and committees, when she rises up a bit in the party, I think she’d make a great future leader.
Long Bailey is actually quite surprising to me. She’s made the fatal mistake of chaining herself to a leader who’s incredibly unpopular and led the party into the worst election defeat in 80 years. She’s hard left candidate, and the public have made it clear they don’t want that rn. But she’s actually an incredibly good speaker and charismatic like Nandy. She comes across as incredibly intelligent and I didn’t realise she was a lawyer like Starmer. She cud be valuable in the shadow cabinet but not as a leader.
great analysis
I agree, I think that people see him as a cross between Tony Blair and Ed Miliband. You have to be able to connect with people to be leader and I think that Keir will.
She's a solicitor , Starmer had a harder job but all of them are worthy candidates. There's only a few people that could win a general election in labour . The problem now is if someone like Sunak came in against Starmer then I'm worried that labour would loose again and I think the only person to get labour on track then would be David Miliband.
Hannamarie15 why a cross between those 2 specific guys? Why not Gordon brown
Hannamarie15 your comment just shows it’s not who you are and what you 5ink, it’s how you come across and appear that matters. I can’t believe you’d want David miliband to lead the party. The era of centrist politics is over.
Keir came across as a leader not just using soundbites but no one really outstanding or stood out above the the others.
Starmer worked for the DPP, so is comfortable using words to put across a point. His experience in that department exposed him to the world in which live real people.
However, all three of them betrayed the British people when they voted to cripple the Brexit negotiating team, by denying the option of walking away from a bad deal. That treachery was part of the reason Labour were crushed so comprehensively in the UK's General Election.
Regardless of which of these three assume the job of Labour leader, they will be viewed always as traitors, by the people they need on-side if Labour is ever again to pose a credible threat to the Tories grip on government.
@@kasegiyabu5030 couldn't agree more good post stay safe
kasegi Yabu Nandy didn’t though. She strongly criticised the leadership for supporting a second referendum and was very vocal in her view that the party should respect what the country voted for in 2016.
@@GoogleUser-lk6xn This article allows you to see how MP's voted to deny 'no deal' to the negotiating team : www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995 . Nandy voted for the motion, meaning she was in favour of screwing with the negotiations. When she called for Labour to "respect what the country voted for" she was obviously on manoeuvres. She is a traitor.
To everybody who hates Labour and loathes all these candidates - why precisely are you watching, again?
Cinderball because they’re going to be leading the Labour Party and we’re probably curious as to what they’re putting forward and how they’re going to lead the party.
@@jamiengo2343 But folks like you keep telling me that Labour can never win, that all these candidates are incompetents. Why are you so scared of people that you don't believe can win the election?
Lol
@@cinderball1135 they can't win these people.. but it's interesting to watch their performances
Cinderball could you point to when I’ve said that
Labour are too PC that’s the issue.
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. Bad Putinbot!
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. You are "infamous for" that.
@Albert Pike so are the Tory mass immigration lovers
They are Anti British they are anti anyone who questions them over anything hounding people Branding people and hating slandering the working Class, how many times since 2016 have labour party members leaders MPs called the working class electrate Stupid and thick, they call the pensioners stupid and bigoted. The new wave of socialist party members within labour believe that the pensioners shouldn't even have the right to vote, just look back over the last 3 years of the momentum Antifa and Corbynist cult followers an the way they have hounded people right across the social media and mass media outlets throughout the country they turned away Scared away hounded away most of there own voter's
Rather than listening to there views
they just outright screamed over the top of them on any TV or media debate your a Racist your a bigot your a facist,
Rather than have a a back and forth debate,
They look and sound like Crazed bunch of lunatics it is no wonder the electrate turned away from them and if they carry on down this road they will be left with a minority party.
@@123benley Out of curiosity, what makes any of them anti British? I haven't seen any of them call the working classes stupid racist or thick. I've certainly seen arguments amongst various sections of society taking lumps out of each other and calling each other all of the above and much worse. Labour has always been a socialist left leaning movement. The NHS, social housing, trade unions, the welfare state. They're all socialist ideals, and if you take issue with any of those organisations or ideals then I would suggest that you're the one who is anti working class.
Channel 4 presents, 3 people who will never be Prime Minister
well.. what do u think now
@@ricardomccubbin1445 2 people who will never be Prime Minister
still stand by that opinion?
Lisa Nandy was doing well until she fell into the "how will we pay for it trap". This is moronic, and at that point she lost me.
I do not trust Nandy. She has no idea what the labour party stands for.
Lisa Nandy lost me when she implied on GMTV that white people can't comment on racism.
I had to watch that part again, but I thought she handed that well. You do have to be honest and upfront about raising taxes. And she was sensible enough to want a discussion of raising taxes, as opposed to proposing it outright prior to any debate.
@@caitiff52 My problem is that she raised it as an issue. One of the jobs of the next Labour leader is to move the debate on this forward in public discourse. UK Government spending is completely different from households, and you do not need to balance a budget or show how they will be paid for in "income and expenditure" terms. MMT in the states is showing that the relationship between the state and money is totally different than how it is portrayed in political discourse. Any Labour leader needs to show that they can handle this differently. At this point Nandy was evoking the "Tory" elements of Tony Blair's Labour Party, which isn't a policy set I believe will work today.
@@caitiff52 Sorry, but I will definitely concede that Lisa Nandy has probably performed the best in these debates; very good at sharp, subtle responses that differentiate her from the others. Smart stuff.
If this is the best we have then the Labour Party will remain the opposition for the next 20 years
Who is the best then? Racist Conservative!!!!!
lol u just a conservative voters all of the time. Whoever man/woman lead the Labour Party, u will always saying the same thing repeatly
Suits me fine, as an ex Labour voter.
Hmmmmm
That question regarding Carolins Flack was disgraceful.
I totally agree (as a father of a daughter that took her own life). It was a shocking question that had nothing to do with the Labour leadership or the subject in focus here!
Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic i'm afraid.
It feels like they're candidates on the Apprentice
Potentially the first week where two get fired?
👍 🤣 👍 😂 👍 🤣 👍 😂 👍
And Boris is a school boy
And who is Allan Sugar?
I am voting for the Jamaican granny!
@@fred8696 It's true though?
Lib Dems were lonely at the bottom, well...Labour is slowly joining them.
Labour is in such a mess
Not fit for purpose. Why are they getting paid?
Corbyn , long Bailey, Dianne Abbott, Emily thornberry,, dawn butler,Owen jones ,Angela rayner........until you get rid of these of no hopers you will never be elected
Crazy how Keir Starmer was making all the points you'd expect someone that supports Corbyn to make, right up until he was declared leader. Really knows how to talk with both sides of his mouth, this guy.
From Stoke, a red wall seat Labour lost. Leave means to leave especially with regards to the customs union mainly due to the migrant crisis. Labour would not deliver on that, in the process disrespecting their core voters wishes. This green new deal is hogwash, and the woke culture is dreadful. These three would not get my vote back in a month of Sundays.
What "migrant crisis"? The main migration phenomenon with Stoke is talented people leaving Stoke because there aren't many jobs there - and that has nothing to do with people migrating to the UK.
WHatever mate. As said to the other guy, this is the Labour party. We tend to work-together with-others here, which is why it is more Remainy in general. SO go and join Ukip and worship your idea that the EU causes all of these problems for you!
Waste of time debating, the next credible leader has not been born yet
I loved seeing their frustration at the format of the debate, why does anyone use TV anymore
Not picking sides here
Trans rights is the best way to not get elected in this country - not my opinion but it’s just how it is
Why don’t politicians understand identity politics don’t work
How could fighting for trans issues be more negative than 15 years of austerity, and a total Brexit disaster? I really don't understand your logic there. Is it so horrible that there are trans right that one would rather have children being treated on the hospital floors? What did trans people ever do to you? I understand that focusing on trans right won't win elections, but it sure as heck shouldn't lose you one. Either way, trans rights weren't in focus during the previous four elections, so Labour could lose regardless. Why not fight for what's right if it doesn't matter either way?
@@antonkarlsson7664 Because it's a tiny TINY part of the electorate that has been chosen for no decernable reason. There are other groups of people that have also suffered. Are they brought up? Nope.
And they are brought up in such a way to infringe others, like women.
Meanwhile things that affect EVERYONE are ignored. All the traditional labour strength points are ignored.
They keep warning you that critical theory and intersectionalism is killing you, but you never listen, and then wonder why they don't vote for you.
@@sirellyn4391 How is fighting for a well funded NHS, well paying jobs and decent working conditions, trains that arrive on time and greater income equality not fighting for everyone? Do you have to be trans to enjoy a good paying job and humane working conditions? Or do you have to change your gender to enjoy a healthy planet and a bright future for coming generations?
I ask again, how is improving trans rights worse than treating someone's child on the hospital floor? Please tell me that. Tell me why we have to accept horrible conditions just because trans rights are "scary"!
@@antonkarlsson7664 "how is improving trans rights worse than treating someone's child on the hospital floor?"
There's about 12 million children in the UK right now, and about 600k (rounding way up) trans people.
The 12 million are more important.
And those 600k threaten rights of 33 million women. Also more important.
@@sirellyn4391 How on earth would preventing an employer from firing you for the sole reason of being trans put women and children in danger? Is it more dangerous for a child that a trans person remains employed, than being treated by a slashed NHS system that can't even provide hospital beds?
When I was born the Conservatives were in power, and I have no doubt when I die they will be in power, This country has always been Conservative with a small c, and always will be, something Labour fail to grasp, and Diane Abbott is the gift that keeps on giving to the Tories, no doubt they will award her when she retires for keeping them in power for so long.
Indeed, the only time Labour has won power in my lifetime was when they pretended to be Tories in 1997. And it's the only way they'll win power again, though its doubtful the UK electorate will fall for it again.
@@vordman it was a whole different world back then. The British people will now vote for anyone who will stop mass immigration, even if it's an anti buisness Labour government.
Labours new slogan "down with the bad, up with the good." I'm not from UK, but damn these guys want to lose another election.
😆
Specialist in failure
Massive amount of time expended on Caroline Flack and Trans gender rights, KGM trying to trip them up. Not mainstream problem with decimated industrial and neglected Northern areas; lack of opportunity and reduced Public services and austerity.
More of this and Conservatives will rule forever, thank you labour politicians.
Is this the most uninspiring political event of the last few years to grip the editing floor ?
Lisa nandy for leadership
At least they got rid of Thornberry
Now they need to get rid of Diana Abbott 🤢🤮🤮
@@fka_the_body1542 agree
@@fka_the_body1542 is she any relation to Diane Abbott?
But yes I agree, she's a liability.
Joint press conference. Where is the debate?
How luv'ly to see 3 people with principles, courage, and more importantly, a moral compass. Rebecca is my favourite, because she is extremely smart, loyal and has incredible principles. But any one of these 3 MP's in the Labour party would be leagues ahead of Boris, especially in the wake of the Corona Virus lock down.
Everyone, found Rebecca’s burner account
nepotism finished the labour party that shows a contempt for the electorate, Tory nepotism was bad enough and did labour use to make a big issue of it, and then they did it.
I liked the last question on Palestein, I was concerned on how vague the candidates were being on the idea of standing up for Palestinians without being anti semitic because this has been conflated until Rebecca Long Bailey gave a strong answer and mentioned conflation and the suffering of the Palestinians.
This is the stance I wanted.
I wished Starmer could have done the same, I don't know if I consider him a pass or fail on whether he can divide anti semitism from criticism on Israel, it would help me get behind him if I knew, I think he has done mostly well though.
I am ranking my desire for who I want to see as leader as: Rebecca Long Bailey, Keir Starmer, >>>>>>> Lisa Nandy, not a fan of her, I think she will damage the party.
Buddy, you may be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, eager to help those downtrodden masses, but Labour is not the way. They will lose the next election and be out of power for the next 10 years. You will waste your life, youth and enthusiasm, waiting for them to come into power to effect change. If I were you and wanted to help the 'downtrodden masses' I would join the conservative party and try to fix policies from within. Boris is keen to promote social causes to keep the Left on board. Now is the time to push for 'sure start' type policies that actually help people not just virtue signal how 'right-on' and 'pure' you are while achieving nothing with Labour. It is up to you, virtue signal pointlessly or join a real political party and make things happen. I will guess which option you choose :)
Brexit is the main reason why Labour lost, add the vilification of Corbyn to that and you will see why we lost
flogging a dead horse in 44 minutes
Perhaps, but at least they didn't subject us to a full hour.
I could flog a dead horse. Who wants a tasty horse steak, a zesty horse cottage pie. The possibilities are endless.
@@dirtyden1 Yes please🤣 with lots of salt
This is now taking me back a few years. Remembering the horse meat scandle. Nobody really cared. If I accidentally ate a horse. I probably enjoyed it. Just saying.
@@dirtyden1 Neigh, Dennis.
Lisa Nandy the only good candidate. I can admit that as a conservative
Pathetic questions and pathetic answers
One almost wants to shout in CAPS: you lost because of Corbyn. Elect Corbyn 2 and you lose again.
It is totally obvious! To all but the lunatic fringe in MomentScum and Skwawkbox and Novara and The Canary and the pondlife
The new Sir QC Labour leader will frighten dissenters with, 'agree for the sake of party unity or I will see you in court!'
@@clemalford9768 :-D Very droll!
"Can I just say this aswell please?"
So nothing wrong with the policies and they want to be united. Rara
Labour is going nowhere with any of these 3. Is this all Labour can produce for leadership?? 2 are millionaires and one spent £1,000,000 in parliamentary expenses in one year. The 3rd one lives in a posh village with her £100K a year husband. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7872415/Rebecca-Long-Bailey-lives-posh-village-dubbed-Monton-Carlo-100k-year-husband.html
Hmmm very proletarian and telling us they can empathise with those on much lower incomes. Do me a favour. They are all political careerists. No wonder Labour is dying. At least the Tories are honest about the class they represent.
Disappointing to hear about their viewpoints of the legalisation of marijuanna
Eh, Starmer gave the right answer in my view (if you hope for legalisation). I wouldn't be surprised if he legalises it a year or two into his first term for some extra cash.
CH4, CH4 audience & The Labour Party, you know this is going to be tedious.
I take that back after listening to this. Apologies.
Tell you what though, they're a bit better than the shower we had in 2015 that Corbyn beat.
@Lenna Smith They're worse, they're tailoring their answers to questions posed by the left, channel 4, Guardian, Independent and Daily Mirror, BBC et al agendas, which have nothing to do with 95% of the rest of the population if you exclude London..
@Lenna Smith Yes Lenna. There's only one type of socialist and that's Tankie.
@@desydukuk291 They're trying to influence the Labour party membership. This isn't a general election campaign. I shouldn't need to spell that out to a grown-up.
Weeping sores on the decomposed corpse of a putrefied labour party who committed suicide over yesteryears failed policies. The dead should sleep not speak.
Starmer kinda nice about Jeremy Corbyn ~ but, oh so different when he got the leadership. Those in Labour who voted him leader hang your heads in abject shame.
The 3 stooges; the Tories can safely plan for the next decade at least.
They can't even plan the next week with their broken bandaged cabinet.
A first past the post electoral system may have helped with that
@@jonathanhadley2555 Funny thing is, with a proportional representation (how it should be) voting system we'd get a people's vote.
@@fred8696 "If my grandmother had wheels, she would've been a bike" 🇮🇹🇮🇹
...and I'm sorry but it's true. More people voted for remain/second referendum backing parties than pro-brexit parties. in the election. The Brexit deal wouldn't have passed and a people's vote would've if we had a proportional representation system.
The real 3 stooges of politics: Boris, Liz & Rishi. In a few years they’ve managed to go from at least 10 safe years to an inevitable loss.
Jeremy Corbin must be proud ! 😆
I didn't know Sarah Millican had put herself up for Labour leader, but who when you think about it, who would be better to lead this bunch of jokers? Go Sarah!
One crucial difference- Sarah Millican is funny!
Rebecca Long-Bailey showed her true self when talking about twitter comments on her eyebrows in the context of the Caroline Flack tragedy. Totally self-referential, self-absorbed, hiding behind politically correct positions all for the sake of power.
In all fairness, she was asked how she feels when she goes online to read comments......
@@sirsnapalot8757 that's a fair remark. But a deft and empathetic politician would have quickly skimmed her own experience to the consequences on the person being discussed.
@@martycrow Telling small stories like that is a technique to connect with the audience. It was planned and not off the cuff self-obssessiveness. I personally found it funny and endearing.
I’ve always thought Rebecca wrong- daily was a fool, when she said she would like to have a “Queen Meghan” then I was convinced !
Why are you taking this seriously, she was obviously joking around.
The question is pointless and a distraction from what needs to actually be discussed. She likely has no interest in this issue.
Opto Mister Lisa Nandi said that! And no, she was not joking, how effing predictable, from her. She will probably win. Her qualification In the present P.C climate? She is a woman, and of a minority identity.
Yes, my town voted leave but it wasn't solely about labour looking as if they were trying to overturn the referendum result that led to the end of thier 80+ years in power in our constituency.
My employer is in admin and it wasn't just the possible 7k direct job losses that would occur from it cease trading but also an additional 23k in the town that rely on my employer for thier trade. We had buyers lined up but they became tired and disinterested by the brexit limbo caused mainly by labour mps, our local mp at the time being one of them, who voted against every brexit deal put forward. The buyers didn't care which side of the fence we came down on so long as as a country we came off the fence. Then, either way, leave or remain, we would be bought and our jobs be safe.
Whether you agree with leaving or not, at least it was a decisive decision which has most likely saved these jobs before the current potential buyer could become bored with further brexit extensions.
I and my colleagues will never forget the panic that my former Labour mp and his friends of the derail and delay with a second vote camp have caused us.
@@stuartfitch7093 Thank you for your comment, I work in retail and we have had to cut jobs and make poor decisions with stock because of all these "potential" brexit dates. I'm from Scotland and the SNP have gained a massive boost from this mess.
"Rebecca wrong- daily" excellent! The silly tart STILL drones on about the MEEJAH being the problem as if the whole population reads the Sun or Mule or Brexpress,
Thank God Emily Thornberry is out of the race. Bad enough RLB is still there.
True. But they're all bad.
The late great John Smith used to command the floor of the house of commons. William Haig 2013. This lot not a chance.
@Matt It's a quote from him.
@Matt You could at least have spelled his name correctly.
35:16: I had to laugh at this Labour(ish) audience.
_They generally look bored to tears..._
That's the problem ladies and gents, Labour does not boast a single candidate that is inspiring to listen to, that's engaging, that can *pull* an audience, that *commands attention.* People listening to them, invariably, end up looking like the audience does at 27:39. _That is a big problem!_
so charlatans should win all elections
@@adrikhankant6170 I think it is unlikely that a country as important as the The UK in 2020, would vote a leader of a major party that was neither skilled *nor* able to engage, inspire or command the attention of the voting public.
_Thankfully so..._
Remember Ian Duncan Smith?
Gary J. “That’s the problem ladies & gents...” HOW DARE YOU!!! “ladies & gents” is NOT inclusive!! I will report you for that blatant “Hate Incident”!!
Are you genuinely claiming that Boris got elected because he is interesting to listen to? That’s pathetic.
@@aureol40012 Jake, you make the _CLASSIC_ error. This Leadership debate is *NOT* in any way about the _Conservative Party_ - *NOTHING WHATSOEVER!!* This is *ALL* about the future of The Labour Party and its reputation around the UK. This "That's Pathetic" mindset is churlish, childish, and solves faff all - considering the Conservative Party is already in government with a commanding majority.
*_GROW UP!!!_*
And yes, Boris is admired more than Jeremy was. Pathetic or not.
They just can't let go of corbynism
What even is that?
@@KarakuraNinja Corbyn's worldview and political philosophy - which has been judged a complete failure by the British public.
But the Labour party can't let go of it because Socialism destroys the facility to reason. Corbynism was ideologically pure Socialism - therefore how can any of the candidates renounce any of his manifesto without implicitly renouncing Socialism?
How do you become a pure socialist?
I never saw him say let's get rid of the free market and competition. I just remember him mentioning failed markets/monopolies that are utilities for houses and railways, that was as far as his socialism went.
@@milanmilutinovic9922 You can always tell when someone has bought into the propaganda. All his "socialist" policies existed long before Corbyn. Corbynism is a propaganda tool, and you bought one.
Your line "Corbynism was ideologically pure Socialism" proves it. You even said "pure" socialism not just socialism. If it's pure socialism then it's socialism, why call it Corbynism?
It's like calling bread Johnism because John eats bread.
I need to stop being surprised at how effective propaganda is.
It's not socialism, it's propaganda that destroys the ability to reason. In fact, unlike socialism, that's one of it's primary functions.
It's abundantly clear that the majority of the Labour membership had no problem accepting "Corbynism", or socialist policies. The 2017 election was the most successful Labour campaign since the Blair era. Working class communities, mining communities and long-time Labour strongholds would not abandon the promise of a national living wage, the creation of 400,000 Eco-friendly industrial sector jobs, the creation of IFO's which provide all workers with dividend payments of up to 10%, the possibility of exploring a UBI and the consolidation of workers rights.
The results of the 2017 GE proves this. Labour need to embrace socialism if they expect any electoral success. The Independent Group contained MPs that existed virtually uncontested in their seats before their defection. Mike Gapes, for example, won a majority of 43,000 votes in 2017, but won only 3,000 votes in 2019.The same goes for Gavin Shuker in Luton South and Chris Leslie in Nottingham East.The point being that Labour votes who disagreed with the prevailing view of the Labour party and who sought a more central position could have defected, kept the same MP with the same views, but they didn't.
Labour voters fled to the Conservatives because they were the party that didn't promise another divisive referendum, they had a clear leader who appeared to command the respect and support of the party and who, unlike the Labour party, were not targeted by the newspapers and online media for their institutional racism.
The Labour Party. The political party that time forgot.
"With us, the candidates to be the next *former* Labour leader."
The votes are not in the Centre. 🤣
So how come Labour do worse in general elections everytime they lean more towards the left?
@@kojames2561 They don't. You're confusing Economic and Social Left/Right.
Labour best performance since 2005 was in 2017, when it leaned *Economic Left.* 1.1 million Labour voters went to Lib Dem because of Remain, *splitting* the vote and giving the Conservatives more seats. The Labour voters that went Conservatives still support *Economic Left* politics, they just dislike the *Social* Left politics, they prefer the Right-wing on *social issues* like immigration, defence and crime.
Summary: Labour lost voters who want NHS & free university but also want to stop immigration and dislike or don't care about trans rights issues.
erzan best performance in 2017? did they win a majority?
@@kojames2561 since 2005
Wow...they haven’t learnt anything.......
When the inevitable same rhetorical questions get trotted out the inevitable same rhetorical answers will surely follow. Regardless of the questioner. Regardless of the questionee.
11:20 Didn't know Elton John was a Labour man?
Don't go breaking my heart about the current state of Labour Simon
I mean that Elton Long Bailey is a complete rocket refusing to Sacfrice any of that last manifesto .
If these three candidates are the best Labour got to be their leader, they are in bigger trouble they think. With their policies and quality of their future leader , they will never get voted in government again. This will be a disaster for British democracy and the British people.
43:00 That aged well Keith 😏
Hes going to be prime minister so go cry hard left loon
there were many reasons no just one . you are not listening to the voters Labour must be labour, all of these candidates dont even know what that means ergo labour is gone rip
Having watched this debate, has any of them persuaded you to vote labour next time? I think I know the answer.
Disappointed none of them is for decriminalizing marihuana, let alone legalizing it. Long-Bailey is no Bernie Sanders
They all play it safe, legalising weed will get them the youth vote & it is at least achievable within a parliamentary term, unlike wholesale renationalisation, 4 day week, free broadband, etc
@@BionicRasta So why wouldn't they support it then?
Labour are finished, the woke pc lbgt attitude will finish them off as the working class will not subscribe to is attitude and it is the working class that decides government.
You couldn't pay me enough to vote for any of these
@shaun king "Your not"?
@shaun king "muslim"?
yousnotright Awesome! I’ll vote for you, therefore my voice will be heard, yours won’t be, suits me, ‘cos you’re obviously someone that shouldn’t be given a choice, ‘cos you’re not interested enough to give thought to, or to therefore to make, on something that affects our (everyone’s) future! I say the same to all the people commenting so negatively. Please, don’t bother voting, you’re not fit to make these choices!
shaun king what a comment you plonker
"You couldn't pay me enough...." Somehow I don't believe that statement.
either lisa or andy
Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband, and Clown Corbyn
If Nandy wins then I am so done with them.
If Nandy and Starmer are voted leader that will be the last time I vote. I am ashamed of British people voting against the working class and went off to vote for a Fascist like Johnson.
@@independentandfree6466 Yet this is the most liberal tory government we have seen probably since possibly Major, maybe even before. Thanks in no part to the red wall collapsing, this government wouldn't dare be too conservative and then risking the new found land they've gained. Facism is an ideology that can cling onto any system of governing, for example Hitler, Mao and Stalin. You cannot tell me Boris is anything like that, so if you're going to use the word, actually use it for a dictator or a facist, not just somebody you do not like. Otherwise, you shouldn't take offence when RLB gets called a Trokyite.
The working people of the country (i live in the north of england, from a working class background) did not like Corbyn's indecisiveness on Brexit and cloud cuckoo land on economics. Invest in the country, but do not nationalise everything just because you think central state planning is better. Also if you do spend astonishing amounts of money on something, do it for a future benefit. A space program, a infrastructure project. That's ambitious. Renationalising water, gas, electricity and rail just isnt, thats staring back into the 60's and wishing to be there again.
@@capitaoprice6463 Boris Johnson is a dictator that's why Sajid Javid resigned because Boris or Dominic Cummings was dictating who he can have as his advisers. Boris has no time for people who disagree with him he just wants yes men & woman who support everything he says & does & anyone who disagrees can take a hike. Also I don't see how renationaliseing is going back to the 60's, I suppose your happy that we're being ripped off by private companies profiting from our once public services.
@@MrRailjunkie So what you're saying is, Boris Johnson who was elected by the public, is a dictator because he is leading his cabinet. Whether you agree or disagree with what he did is not my concern, I am not a natural Tory, I am a centrist liberal who believes in good economics and socio-democratic public policies. But if you are, as I suspect, left of field. Why are you complaining about Javid resigning? You do realise the treasury of Tory governments has in the past been the road block to more public spending. If you want more investment, then you wanted him gone. Remember Boris, although it's absolutely nonsensical to call him facist, or a dictator at that, he is infact populist. He will do as the people want to keep popularity.
In addition to that, as much as Dominic Cummings seems as if he's a villain. He infact is a genius when considering this. He wants to broaden Whitehall's perspective to the north, invite in ambitious and new talent, and see what results from it. Surely you must agree that it's a good thing to bring in the best and most imagination. You may not like the man, I don't really. I wanted to stop in the EU. But you cannot fault him for wanting to change the status quo for everyone.
On privatisation. Personally I don't see where you're coming from. I do think the NHS is under funded, but that isn't due to privatisation, unless you want to complain about PFI agreements. Having everything ran from the state doesn't improve standards. If you have 5 companies competing for contracts and services, they will undercut each other on price and trump quality, that's just common sense. Partly the reason why rail doesn't see that benefit is due to the atrocious lack of funding in infrastructure, which doesn't make sense at all.
Call it what you want. But you lose the argument when you throw phrases which are just not fitting. If you start to call Boris Hitler or a dictator, then the next Labour leader will have hardcore Tories call them Leninist or trokyites. Be realistic.
@@capitaoprice6463 I never called Boris Hitler & Hitler was elected too not every dictator is like Hitler. Also I would like to see the entire Tory party wiped of the face of the earth.
0:50 Hello darkness my old friend...
...Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping...
...And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains...
....like a bridge over troubled water..
“Administer true justice, show loyalty and compassion to one another, do not oppress the orphan and the widow, the alien and the poor; do not contrive any evil against one another.” - (The prophet Zechariah 7: 9-10) -
Long time tory voter here...... The only candidate that truly spoke to me was Lisa nandy. Her vision is unique and well thought out.
Which bits. Out of curiosity?
Lol keir Starmer "accidentally" went to a private school 😂😂😂 what a bunch of wallies.
Yes, he did. He got in because he passed his 11+ exam.
@Brother Spartacus What does this tell us that we don't already know?
@@halfaworldaway you're right. Everyone already knows he's a hypocrite.
@@joebloggs5186 I see what you did there: you repeated the false assumption that Labour supporters must oppose private education.
Heres a shocking fact: millions of Conservative voters use the NHS. Hypocrites.
Schooled at Rampton?
@@joebloggs5186 So you expect a child to quit his school because it went private, or what? What's your point?
queen. megan....
was that a joke ?
Well how far down the line was Harry?
Why haven't Labour realised that the only time they were successful was when they were new Labour? ... Corbynism evokes the bad old days of inefficiency, strikes, power cuts etc.
The British people are aspirational and want the opportunity to get on... They're not jealous of other people's success and want a government that puts us first. We want this obsession on identity politics and woke social justice nonsense ending. So we're all treated fairly regardless of gender or skin colour. Giving certain groups special treatment is unfair and causes resentment.
Nonetheless, YouGov also suggested a Starmer win by 63% to 37% if there was a final run-off against Long-Bailey. Labour members may yearn for everything the 2019 manifesto promised, with no painful choice of priorities, but after four miserable defeats they are ready to bend. Only 14% would make no compromises on Labour values to make the party more electable.
I am ex labour
Are you still Ex-Labour?
Well, that's 45 minutes of my life that I'll never get back!
Haha Labour are finished. What a rabble
RLB wants to reindustrislise. How is this going to happen when Labour are committed to the mad green agenda. You cannot make steel without burning coal. Just what are these new industries going to be making?
Everybody I speak to brings up mass immigration and 'grooming gangs' as a reason for not voting Labour. Not sure why these issues weren't talked about at all.
Lisa nandy. Must be.
Channel 4 are removing comments that are critical of Labour and not in any way offensive. This includes replies - shame on you, Channel 4!
Sky is also guilty of this. A weak argument can't stand criticism, that's why.
I’ve hade this happen to me on Telegraph and Sun videos for criticising Bojo. All platforms are controlled to some extent. That’s why we need media watchdogs.
@@princeofserendip2572 lies.
Are you blind?
@@eila2088 disability discrimination. Classy.
Did anyone actually watch this when it was on?
"I'd quite like to see Queen Meghan at some point..." jezus fucking christ.
I used to support Keir Starmer for leader and I do think they would have held onto at least some of the seats they lost if he’d have been leader but I think Lisa Nandy is possibly a best bet. RLB would be a disaster.
I'm leaning towards Lisa Nandy at this point though she probably won't win. She should at least have a role in the shadow cabinet
@shaun king Nah
Labour had loyal supporters , never wanting to leave the party . sadly the people who run the party now no longer give a dam about those loyal supporters , so sadly those people were left with no option but to either not vote or vote for another party
The problem with labour party is...
• political correctness free speech
erosion.
• identity politics
• anti uk independence.
• pro mass free movement
immigration.
• redistribution of wealth wanting
to steal too much of what other
people have earnt to give to those
who dont help themselves.
• nationalisation it cannot compete
with the free market, the tax
payers end up filling the void in
the running
costs and wage bill when the
nationalised industry starts
failing eg coal industry in the 70s.
• dictating how people should live
their lives.
• collectivism
• SOCIALISM
The 3 stooges totally clueless
Sorry it was a bit hard on the 3 stooges
Good to see Kier got some fire in him. I thought he was too soft
Don't trust Starmer. Another leafy suburb champaign socialist millionaire, QC, knight of the realm. Very much going to resonate with the UK working class. Blair mark II.
Good debate, thanks.
Lisa Nandy has said that the Labour Party has to change. The main reason Labour were destroyed in the election was due to their anti- Brexit stance. Will Lisa Nandy now support the UK voters and the Government in its separation from the EU?
They must be getting a fine payment to promote the Conservative Party so well!
Definitely all briefed by Diane Abbott!
Not just the Conservative Party, Carole. I can't imagine many would be impressed north of the border, west of the border or across the Irish Sea, benefiting more than simply the Tories.
@@Clavinovaman We can just dream that Boris can unite us ALL - then we ALL become stronger. We have a very fine Government full of like minded people - FOR this (still only just) wonderful Country!
@@heolonnen Indeed, Carole. This programme had *NOTHING* whatsoever to do with Boris or the Conservatives. This debate is about the _Labour Party,_ how its Leader is going to position the Party as a future government, how it will face the challenges of 2020 and beyond, where its priorities lie and how the vision will work in reality.
_Nothing that was said had any depth or real vision. It was all just typical regurgitated sound bites._ This _"What about the Conservatives"_ argument from others solves nothing.
@@Clavinovaman Ever heard of Sarcasm? - And look at your own ridiculous comment - you've SAID nothing!!
10:13 *Hope you get elected as next Labour Leader Ms Long-Bailey, an absolute gift to the Tories, totally deluded and having witnessed the worst result for nearly 100 years and spout the same rubbish as **-Mr-** Jeremy Marxist Corbynista, carry on regardless deluded ½ wit - love it.*
Fs, Corbyn isn't a Marxist. He's a dyed in the wool socialist.
@@howardchambers9679 Anything further from the centre-right is "Marxist" to them. And this is coming from an actual Marxist.
Instead of saying racism against Indians and Muslims why would the Sikh guy talk about anti semitism. Was he a plant?
Labour needs someone like Paul Embery to take charge in my opinion.
My money had been on Keir, but his performance here was nothing more than mediocre, although he improved significantly towards the end. Rebecca always sounds as if she's reading a brief that's been written for her, only to fluster when caught out on a subject she hadn't anticipated. Lisa Nandy, though, is starting to shine. Sadly, I think it is too huge a gap to catch and overtake Keir, but if she doesn't win, I hope she gets a meaty role in the Shadow Cabinet.
Your government has failed it’s citizens on that ship in Japan.
That would be the Tories then.
Labours not in government
So basically ms double-barrel is just saying the policies were fine but the disappointing working classes were too stupid to understand them.
I don't think she meant the working class are stupid but the policies were good to many in one manifesto they should have stuck with the ones they can deliver in 5 years & brought up the longer term policies later.
The policies were largely undeliverable & would cost too much. They were desperate to win & tried bribing votes. On top of this was their u-turn on brexit by way of a rigged peoples vote to overturn the referendum result. Corbyn was a weak leader with too many skeletons in his closet, seen as unpatriotic.
@@BionicRasta I think most of their policies were deliverable & affordable & I don't think they had any intention of turning over the result they just wanted remain vs a credible deal to put back to the people instead of this camacasi brexit that Johnson is pursuing. I think leavers were scared more people would vote remain a second time.
This Corbyn bashing is just ridiculous. We had an honest, caring leader and Nandy throwing him under the bus saying he didn't come across for the people is just ridiculous. He had hoards, literally hundreds following him wherever he went. What other politician has that popularity? None!
You're not aloud to cry about Labour leaving you when you go vote for someone else. You left Labour for effing brexit. Own it.