No, it's there for all to see. I started the campaign backing him, but he's been unconvincing and his EU stance boarders on comical. Overall better to give Corbyn the 2020 election, which he'll either miraculously win, or more likely miserably lose and can then be replaced by a better candidate than Smith. Sticking Smith in by contrast just means a reboot of the 'neither here nor there' Miliband leadership.
He lost the election badly though and now tories reign untouched. Corbyn completely got it wrong despite good intentions. Now Labour is completely out the race because of him
people say owen smith predicted corbyn losing but i really doubt he could've won against boris johnson in 2019, or even achieved a hung parliament against theresa may in 2017
Exactly especially when he kept arrogantly saying they needed a second referendum, which is what Labour did in the end and suffered badly whilst Smith exited politics!
@@Da1Dez yeah and a second referendum was extremely unpopular in 2016, in 2019 it had a decent chunk of support (but obviously not enough lol). but going for a second referendum in 2017? Labour would have been lucky to get as many votes as the tories are currently polling at now in 2023
I am 100% confident in supporting Jeremy Corbyn. He is the first politician who has ever inspired me. I am sure he will stay the leader of the Labour Party and I am sure he will be the next Prime Minister. Jeremy Corbyn is a man who has been working towards a fairer world in his whole life, he surely deserves to become the the next Prime Minister and he will make a great one.
I am willing to bet literally everything I own that Corbyn will not be the next Prime Minister. He is a laughing stock of a politician, a back stabber, disloyal, deceitful and a bully. The man makes my skin crawl
Owen Smith. "Blah blah blah, Jeremy Corbyn bad, Blah blah blah, Jeremy Corbyn bad, Blah blah blah, Jeremy Corbyn bad." Am I beginning to see a pattern here? Perhaps people would vote for Owen if he didn't use every opportunity to put down another member of his own party and instead put forward good ideas and opposed the conservatives.
Especially when he spends evry other second saying that the election isn't about one man, but since I mentioned it...Jeremy bad, I'm not Jeremy!" That's his platform; that's his position. He seems to feel confident that such a position is sufficient to secure his election. What does that say for his backers, and especially the PLP?
JC owned that debate. I hear Corbyn speak & its like conversing with an adult, whereas Smith just comes across as yet another slimy self serving windbag in a long line of slimy self serving windbags. Constantly points out how divided the party is & how he agrees with JC on many many things yet instead of respecting the vote of the members by uniting behind the elected leader to accomplish the things they agree on he promotes the division he lays at the feet of JC. Just the same with his view on brexit. To hell with the democratic process we'll just vote again while making sure the murdoch media machine & the propaganda mouthpiece that is the BBC spit out enough crap to make the people do what the establishment wants. JC for PM, time for change.
Watch from 26:26 until 27:23 and also from 29:08 until 29:41 and pay attention on Owen's facial expressions, specially at 29:38 !!! Does Owen care about democracy and socialism or does he just pretend that he cares? Hmm....
Good day for Jezza. Thrashed May at PMQ's then Smith here. May is terrible and probably has the most difficult job of any PM ever. I reckon the Tories could well go through a split every bit as ugly during these brexit negotiations.
Owen Smith behaves like a man who wishes to lead his political party and ultimately the Govt and country. Corbyn is quite content running an unelectable protest party. Sadly for Labour, Corbyn will win by a mile.
Igor Varyvdin I am surprised he didn't defect to the Tory party their interests are more in line with his. He introduced private finance initiatives and opened the door for privatization of the NHS by the back door.
tomlinid Nah, nah that's the point. No matter what party gets the power big companies will earn their profit with guys like Tony and friends. This is why they try to get rid of Corbyn before general elections.
Possibly. Who replaces it though? Looks like there's a real window now for a new party. If none emerges Labour will eventually come back, but it won't be in this decade.
He was right about that, but was he right in saying a second referendum was needed, which corbyn ultimately did in the end and heartland voters turned against them.
How prophetic owen was he saw the writing on the wall and how crap corbyn was and a shame we had to lose massively for lab to learn we were on the wrong side of history with a very bad incompetent leader !!!
The unelectable v the unelectable, how pathetic, Labour need to disband and then for the former members to create a number of different parties so that the electorate can choose which way to go.
Anyone else here post the 2019 GE and laughing loudly at the demise of Comrade Corbyn and the Labour party? I voted for them many years ago but now I hope Labour is finished forever!
Smith is not very keen on democracy, is he? He comes off as very slimey.
Maybe its just me. but there is something about Owen Smith that makes him untrustworthy.
I just keep remembering a young Tony Blair.
No, it's there for all to see. I started the campaign backing him, but he's been unconvincing and his EU stance boarders on comical. Overall better to give Corbyn the 2020 election, which he'll either miraculously win, or more likely miserably lose and can then be replaced by a better candidate than Smith. Sticking Smith in by contrast just means a reboot of the 'neither here nor there' Miliband leadership.
@@chriscolyer2579 this comment aged like a fine wine
Corbyn wins hands down.
Wait. What did Corbyn win?
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Good luck with that
@@SandymoorFerrariClub The 2016 leadership election which this whole debate was about.
He lost the election badly though and now tories reign untouched. Corbyn completely got it wrong despite good intentions. Now Labour is completely out the race because of him
@@CuteTartanCatIn the long run they were both hopeless candidates for Labour.
Owen looked lost when he turned up, like he wasn't sure where the party was.
Probably cos he's in the wrong party. (heh heh heh)
people say owen smith predicted corbyn losing but i really doubt he could've won against boris johnson in 2019, or even achieved a hung parliament against theresa may in 2017
Exactly especially when he kept arrogantly saying they needed a second referendum, which is what Labour did in the end and suffered badly whilst Smith exited politics!
@@Da1Dez yeah and a second referendum was extremely unpopular in 2016, in 2019 it had a decent chunk of support (but obviously not enough lol). but going for a second referendum in 2017? Labour would have been lucky to get as many votes as the tories are currently polling at now in 2023
I am 100% confident in supporting Jeremy Corbyn. He is the first politician who has ever inspired me. I am sure he will stay the leader of the Labour Party and I am sure he will be the next Prime Minister. Jeremy Corbyn is a man who has been working towards a fairer world in his whole life, he surely deserves to become the the next Prime Minister and he will make a great one.
Hear, Hear
I am willing to bet literally everything I own that Corbyn will not be the next Prime Minister. He is a laughing stock of a politician, a back stabber, disloyal, deceitful and a bully. The man makes my skin crawl
+John Brown Whatever Rupert Murdoch says right?
How's your certainty about Jeremy Corbyn being PM going?
Jeremy Corbyn will be our next elected UK and Labour Prime Minister . Please support and vote Corby and true labour :)
Keep dreaming.
uzza55 And?
Jeremy Corbyn will never, and I mean *never*, be Prime Minister of the UK.
Muhahahahahaa, hahahahaha. Hilarious.
haha good luck with that
Owen Smith. "Blah blah blah, Jeremy Corbyn bad, Blah blah blah, Jeremy Corbyn bad, Blah blah blah, Jeremy Corbyn bad."
Am I beginning to see a pattern here? Perhaps people would vote for Owen if he didn't use every opportunity to put down another member of his own party and instead put forward good ideas and opposed the conservatives.
Especially when he spends evry other second saying that the election isn't about one man, but since I mentioned it...Jeremy bad, I'm not Jeremy!" That's his platform; that's his position. He seems to feel confident that such a position is sufficient to secure his election. What does that say for his backers, and especially the PLP?
JC owned that debate. I hear Corbyn speak & its like conversing with an adult, whereas Smith just comes across as yet another slimy self serving windbag in a long line of slimy self serving windbags. Constantly points out how divided the party is & how he agrees with JC on many many things yet instead of respecting the vote of the members by uniting behind the elected leader to accomplish the things they agree on he promotes the division he lays at the feet of JC.
Just the same with his view on brexit. To hell with the democratic process we'll just vote again while making sure the murdoch media machine & the propaganda mouthpiece that is the BBC spit out enough crap to make the people do what the establishment wants.
JC for PM, time for change.
well put
BOLLOCKS
Smith was completely stumped when Corbyn moved the discussion onto vision and policies.
Watch from 26:26 until 27:23
and also from 29:08 until 29:41
and pay attention on Owen's facial expressions, specially at 29:38 !!! Does Owen care about democracy and socialism or does he just pretend that he cares? Hmm....
Owen Smith = LIAR !!
"Owen why don't we...". Leadership in action. And, as witnessed here, completely effective. Thanks for the example, Owen. See ya.
Ugh. Is Labour even relevant these days?
Well, it's bigger than every other major party combined...
Corbyn is very relevant. The labour party itself isn't however.
My vote is for Corbyn
love corbyn
Owen is a weasel vote Corbyn.
corbyn represents the Britain i love
Good day for Jezza. Thrashed May at PMQ's then Smith here. May is terrible and probably has the most difficult job of any PM ever. I reckon the Tories could well go through a split every bit as ugly during these brexit negotiations.
yeah a centre platform for labour works great that's why we did so well in the last two elections when we were on a centre platform.
of course lefties run unions right wingers don't like unions because they don't let businesses walk all over their employees.
Big difference between Centralist unions & right-wingers who hate unions. Centralists are reasonable.
:) #Starmer2024
@@walterpalmer6312 because of seething public hate for the tories not because of Starmer or his policies.
what kind of husting is it with pre chosen questions and biases. What a disgrace!
JC4PM save NHS and the UK as we know it.
Paul Adams well that went tits up lol
Watching this after GE2017. How wrong was Smith!
Watching this after 2019 GE. How right was Smith.
@@carrauntoohil86 How wrong they both were actually!
Owen Smith behaves like a man who wishes to lead his political party and ultimately the Govt and country. Corbyn is quite content running an unelectable protest party. Sadly for Labour, Corbyn will win by a mile.
I doubt either of this pair will ever be PM.
lol
Well Corbyn has a better chance than Smith anyway.
Funny how Jeremy didn't mention anti-semitism carried out by a religious group called Muslims but referred to European anti-semitism, hmmm wonder why?
"many Zionist Jews seem to me to be merely antisemites turned upside-down" - George Orwell
Psst!.. Sky!.. Your pro-establishment bias is showing!
A man telling the future at 42:14
Who likes Tony Blair? I guess George W Bush must like him?
Only because Tony likes to suck.
Francis Artanis
I think Maggie Thatcher liked him and approved of his policies more than John Major.
Yep, Tony was a perfect labour PM for tories.
Igor Varyvdin
I am surprised he didn't defect to the Tory party their interests are more in line with his. He introduced private finance initiatives and opened the door for privatization of the NHS by the back door.
tomlinid
Nah, nah that's the point. No matter what party gets the power big companies will earn their profit with guys like Tony and friends. This is why they try to get rid of Corbyn before general elections.
Owen smith said 10 more years of Tories. So he already accepted defeat in 2020
Corybn is a man who could either bury the Labour Party or bring it into a new era of dominance
Fortunately it was the former . LMFAO !
Labour has no future..
Correct.
Possibly. Who replaces it though? Looks like there's a real window now for a new party. If none emerges Labour will eventually come back, but it won't be in this decade.
+Chris Coyler I'm scared because UKIP is picking up steam in the North of England
They've won now.... albeit with a small turnout.
congratulations Jeremy Corbyn. POWER to the PEOPLE
0:10 ".. the two men who want to leave it." What?
I believe that was deliberate, my friend.
Haha...I thought I misheard that - clearly not!
couldnt have been more biased if they tried
Owen Smith was right when he said Corbyn wasn't serious about winning power.
He was right about that, but was he right in saying a second referendum was needed, which corbyn ultimately did in the end and heartland voters turned against them.
Thanke
How prophetic owen was he saw the writing on the wall and how crap corbyn was and a shame we had to lose massively for lab to learn we were on the wrong side of history with a very bad incompetent leader !!!
Owen Smith would've been disastrous for Labour too, this was a case where there was no clear leader for the party.
Jeremy corbyn your the winner
Watching this after General Election 2019. No, he isn't the winner.
@@SandymoorFerrariClub Smith wouldn't have won either.
Oh please don't boo.......melt.
pretty sur the guy said at the beginning 'the two men who want to leave it' lol
Smith was a stalking horse candidate for the Blairites in the PLP
Labour ; will it become an artefact ir a farty act?
The unelectable v the unelectable, how pathetic, Labour need to disband and then for the former members to create a number of different parties so that the electorate can choose which way to go.
*+Roderick Blakeman* The electorate is choosing Corbyn.
@@article504
Not according the General Election in 2019.
Anyone else here post the 2019 GE and laughing loudly at the demise of Comrade Corbyn and the Labour party? I voted for them many years ago but now I hope Labour is finished forever!
Corbyn will never be PM. May will stay on as PM until Brexit is done then new Tory leader before GE2022. Labour is toast.
Well may is gone now
@@RabbidTheNabbit
Good point. Is Corbyn PM now?
No subtitles? :(