Labour leadership debate: First TV showdown UNCUT - BBC Newsnight
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- Labour leadership candidates Emily Thornberry, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Keir Starmer and Lisa Nandy go head-to-head in the first televised leadership debate. Subscribe to our channel here: goo.gl/31Q53F
Making their case to lead the Labour Party and succeed Jeremy Corbyn, the four leadership candidates lay out their plans in a Newsnight special hosted by Katie Razzall.
The Labour leadership contest was triggered when Mr Corbyn announced he intends to step down following the party's fourth general election defeat in a row.
Labour’s performance in December’s general election was the party’s worst defeat since 1935.
Labour’s next leader will be announced on 4 April.
Rosena Allin-Khan, Richard Burgon, Dawn Butler, Ian Murray and Angela Rayner are currently in the running for the deputy leader role.
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Worse episode of Would I lie to you ever screened.
not a fan of the host poking the candidates (metaphorically) with a pointy stick to get a reaction, rather than asking hard questions and promoting debate.
Olly Skillman-Wilson seems to be part of the BBC journalism standard moderator course. Interrupt. Badger. Ignore the answer. This wasn’t a debate.
@Crom true, and I think they do, I just found out it irritating as a viewer
Why not poke them..?? If it was an Illegal war (IRAQ) and its not Tony Blairs fault then who is to blame then?? The IRAQ WAR is 1 of the reasons the Labour Party has lost Scotland and the opportunity to get Scotland back passed many years ago (TRUST ME ON THAT 1) The reality is of course that the Labour Party cannot get back into power without Scotland and Scotland will never ever allow them back in. So when the Labour Party let SCOTLAND down unbeknown to everyone outside Scotland was they let down the English Labour voters also because the TORIES will win every General election now.
This is what you get for paying your TV licence fee!
Terrible moderator! Just wanted sound bites.
Actually the lack of real probing by interviewer was a good thing.
Did you not see the leader hopefulls ..didn't bicker ..didn't undermine each other ...and did manage to state their positions clearly on issues.
That's the benefit of interviewer being less examining...these guys got to say their peice!
Next round sure ask more questions find the overlap and the differences.
@Crom No it's not u daft guy
yep. A vanity interview.
BornToDoIt they barely answered the questions!
Exactly, terrible interview, even by Newsnight's standards.
Thornberry -"if you cut off a snakes head all you get is a dead snake" ...WTF.....hilarious. We want dead snakes!
Yeah her analogy died very quickly there, the rest of the snake isn't very deadly without its head
I don't think she knew where she was going with that one. She just ended up with a dead snake.
I really tried to make sense of that one... I think she is saying that you haven't solved the problem, you have removed the head... the thinking part, the part that can be changed through words and early release sentences... That's as far as I got before I realized that she is as looney as the other three. 10 years of Boris here we come.
She was trying to make a Libya analogy I think, in which case you absolutely don't want a "dead snake". They cut off the head (Gaddafi), and were left with a dead snake (complete anarchy followed by a still ongoing civil war that turned part of the country into a recruiting field for ISIS. No effective government at all).
To expand on the analogy, having a snake burrow in your yard can be scary... but killing it and leaving the corpse by the door can be far worse given time... carcasses attract all manner of vermin, and become deadly vectors for disease. In this case, the "disease ridden vermin" are terrorist organizations... and they are far more likely to spread out and affect you directly than the "snake" itself would've been to aggressively leave the burrow and strike you... the "Snake" is deadlier in the immediate, should it choose to strike... but it's FAR less likely to than the vermin that will be drawn to its carcass... and their affect on you and your yard is lingering, and hard to wash away. Unfortunately for us, on our little ball in space, we don't have anywhere to take and dispose of dead snakes once we've cut their heads off... they just have to stay by the door... drawing all manner of vermin. Better to leave the "Snake" to its burrow if you have the choice.
Jerry Jones the lardy bottom that is the great white thornbelly
This presenter is just trying to get them to throw each other under a bus. Glad they're not falling for it.
90% of the people watching this are here to mock it.
Rightfully so
Would you like to highlight a key element of the interview where you feel Labour have the seeds to shine?
@@Clavinovaman The chick on the left is doable and hasnt annoyed me in the past..
@@daftwod That's not what I asked you.
@@Clavinovaman it was a gay question and i only do manly men.
Emily Thornberry looks like she's always angry.
She has an
“I’m better than you” look on her face.
So would you if you looked like Emily Thornberry.
It's her eyebrows.
Thornbury the Hutt has anger issues and the personality of ground glass
Superiority complex
Mirror mirror on the wall, which is the wokest of them all?
@looes74 looes74 jew lover
It's just a race to the bottom for Labour now, isn't it?
Stop paying the TV licence 'tax'. It's not as hard as you think, not watching live TV. The BBC is haemorrhaging viewers and needs to become a subscription service. Decriminalise non-payment of the licence fee. Labour is a dead snake already.
When is the Change UK debate on?
Yaxley lol
This might as well have been it
TERRIBLE moderator.
Vote Labour for the Criminal not the Victim.
They don’t understand the country
Remember when Thornberry paid her brother to dress up as a builder so she could pretend to be from a working class background. Her brother was a well known photo-journalist who lived in a £3m Islington townhouse.
Just had a quick look at her [Thornberry] wikipedia, here's an short except: 'When Thornberry was seven, her parents divorced and she had to leave their home with her mother and two brothers. After this, she relied on free school meals and food parcels, and their cats were euthanised to save money'. She has done well for herself to get to where she is now, but If you are talking about her background, it most certainly does appear to be working class.
@@mattygino You missed out the bit about her father being a practicing law professor, deputy secretary general of the UN and former Labour parliamentary candidate for Guildford, and her mother being head of English at a prestigious school and later councillor and Mayor of Guildford. Just your typical working class upbringing.
Dig in to Long-Bailey and Starmer's true backgrounds and you'll see the same pattern. Wealthy labour-activist parents, privileged upbringing, posh schools, gifted job in the Labour party/unions.
@@agt155 No I didn't miss that part, I read it. My point is, most if not all people who have had truly privileged upbringings don't usually have sections of their lives where they are having to live hand to mouth relying on food parcels, they are financially secure. Her education also appears typical of a working class background having attended a secondary modern.
@@gibsonagg Not only must she have been the only working class girl with a head teacher mother and law professor father in the UK, but she also has a track record of lying about her upbringing, and sneering at the class she pretends to be a part of. You are making the mistake of believing what she says.
agt155 such a fraud
The party of irrelevance. This has become a political party with no significance to modern Britain. I was a labour supporter no longer, they are absolutely useless and a embarrassment.
you might want to reconsider
We do not want to stop immigration just control it effectively. They always use the NHS as a reason not to. Travel to any major Town or City and see practically complete suberb areas populated with immigrants. Do they all work in the NHS, no they don't. It needs controlling fairly for all people or it will cause big problems in the future.
In the future?
Ye dude thats the problem with our country. Its all the immigrants hahahah. After we leave the EU then what will you blame it on? Or maybe you will start to wake up
I’m surprised nobody is complaining about a ‘lack of diversity’ on this panel.
Ben this is England they've never had a diverse leadership race in any party.
would of been great to see diane abbot there, that would of made my day. you dont get more diverse than her.
They have a Ginger
@Zola mate he isnt complaining and he does have a point, this is 2020 and its the labour party, who pride themselves on diversity, just not when it comes to the important jobs clearly.
would love to see one of their diversity hires like abbotpotamus or lammy up there, talking absolute drivel!!
I'm not sure why but Thornberry saying foreign policy is 'kind of her thing' is hilariously condescending
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and she’s so clearly lacking.
She was shadow foreign secretary.
@@robgreen1818 I understand entirely. It was the way in which she said it that I found rather amusing.
Daniel Clark Clark A lot of people who are experts in international relations are going to stumble when it comes to remembering small details like that. Why? Because international relations is hyper complex and constantly changing.
she is so incredibly unlikeable
Our university system owes us reparations
@looes74 looes74 write better
@looes74 looes74 it doesn't have to be Wordsworth mate but put some effort in
Go on then.... why?
If you really think that, you are ironically correct.
Any university that failed you this badly still owes you something.
Is it just me or does Emily Thornberry remind you of Dolores umbridge
Pretty sure Umbridge was based on Thatcher - have you seen their speeches?
you know... i kinda see it
This is what you get when you don't listen to the 'people'
Totally agree with you teddy face don't think it makes any difference which one is leader labour won't win maybe they have been listening to much to Jo swinson
More like.. they didn't have a 3 word catchphrase on repeat. It's not like the Tories ever listened to anyone.
😂😂😂😂😂 looks like Sajid was too honest to be in the governments front bench (allegedly)😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂 The MPs promoted
that are happy to cover up the embezzlements of the taxpayers money (
allegedly)
The fraud squad should do audits on every single MP in parliament to see where the money comes from
And if there's any backhanders through the back door
and if they're all legal and aboveboard.
I bet you we will find a lot that isn't (allegedly) 😂😂😂😂
I have to cover my arse 😂😂😂😂
Emily whingberry should be a actor she can look you straight in your eyes and lie
Nandy is the only candidate who will provide the change that Labour needs. If RLB wins this the party will well and truly be in opposition for the next 50 years.
I agree I definetly listened to her and got the sense she was a big voice for change
Consider this.... Lisa Nandy signed a bill yesterday to designate groups within the Labour party that don't accept the whole "trans women are women" argument as hate groups. Calling for the dispellment of anyone "transphobic" or "hateful" from the party .
I'm hoping Labour will put proportional representation at the top of it's manifesto. It seems like the perfect time to do it. Britain isn't right wing but we seem to have a Tory government for 70% of the time. I'm sure if you offered this to the other partys they would except it. We need to change as a country and it'll take a brave man or woman to finally achieve that.
I'd much rather have them proffer a ticket of "Written Constitution" . . . Magna Carta is truly a wonderful thing but is so very dated and definitely needs Amending.
Because Labour produce such shit leaders and have been a poor opposition for the past 10 years? You only got near power if you have a strong leader. That's what the Tories have had since David Cameron. Nobody wants to vote Labour because it's become a protest party under Corbyn. Corbyn couldn't even win over Theresa May, one of this country's weakest leaders. Lmao
@ukn leo1 wow - get help
yo want to change the rles of our elections because you never win. LMFAO.
@@alfiesharp5181 thats right Alfie - just like the 60% who's vote counts for nothing for 70% of the time, first past post suits the right wing. Thats why we get such terrible tory Governments, because they know their standards can be much lower than the other parties and still get voted in.
Can we just not pick any of them and ignore labour from now on?
@looes74 looes74 typical Corbyn voter.
You want to ignore them but you watch them......so the answer is ; yes you and others can ignore them but first stop watching them....do you see how that works hmmm ?
@@gos4343 I think its best to form an opinion after watching them not before, going by the looks of those four the conservatives are in for a long run. labour vs the torys is like watching the student union vs the teachers.
@@gos4343 You want to ignore a slow-motion car crash but you still watch it . . . Doesn't mean you want any part of that shit in your life, hmmm?
@@gos4343 no I love watching the far left eat itself ...it just gets better and better ...they haven't got a clue why they lost ...so no Labour government for at least 10 years ..happy days🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Labour can never again be given a position of power.
@Buffalo 66 you are fake news
Sound bites sound bites sound bites, I want sound bites. This is just so wrong
Poor interviewer. For goodness sake, give them the chance to say their piece first, THEN ask questions afterward. She just keeps interrupting them mid-sentence. Seen this interviewer on Newsnight before and her interview technique is very annoying.
Andrew Clarke if they drift off topic and start talking bollocks which is irrelevant to the question, then they always have every right to interrupt
It looks like the Tories are going to be in power for the foreseeable ...
Racists supporting racists. We will bring down this far right racist Tory government by fighting on the streets !
@@richardburgonforlabourlead3270 are you encouraging violence in a public forum?
@@richardburgonforlabourlead3270 yea anyone who isn`t extreme left is a racist. The Labour party is a racist party. Corbyn and his cult following support terrorist gangs that want to fight a genocidal war against Israel and the Jewish people and cleanse Brits living in northern Ireland. He also wrote on twatter that the only party that stands up for black and brown Brits is Labour. Very colonial.
Thank God. A party that will help the working class to get on and succeed. Although they need to sort out the housing problems and returns us into a home owning nation.
@@richardburgonforlabourlead3270 What I find most perplexing is the accusation that the 'Right Is Racist!' and yet it's the Left that are invariably the first people to bring up Skin Colour as a theme or topic every time . . . It does rather make one question "Who Are The *Actual* Racists In My Country?"
Also, why is it nearly always the non-melanine-skinned Lefties who bring it up? I find that extraordinarily racist, too, in that the apparent assumption is that PoC can't speak for themselves . . . . And don't even *mention* the whole "jazz-hands-instead-of-clapping" phenomenon: Have these people never *seen* the Black & White Minstrel Show?
Lisa Nandy needs to win
Just don't get the fuss about Keir Starmer, he seems the worst candidate
He is the choice of the PLP...lets see if he is the choice of the members
Lisa Nandy " people are smarter than we think " you don't say ! obviously the labour party probably thought all working class voters are as thick as two short planks !
ken boon condescending windbags.......really nothing but hot air..... the same old bs
I love the way they talk about our communities.
They're not your communities any more,and never will be,like Rotherham for example,you looked the other way while the industrial rape of our daughters took place.you made your choices and so did we.
Rebecca Long-Bailey seems like the most tedious by far. And Keir seems the most sensible to me.
Becky Long Bailey makes a lot of sense than that toff Starmer
Does he come across as a strong leader though ? I would say no .
3 reasons Labour failed - 1) Total disconnect from the voters in traditional heartlands. 2) Overloaded and top heavy policies with no realistic schedule for delivery. 3) Quality and calibre of the Labour MP's their distorted world view and conflict of interests that arises between their own MP's and voters - The Labour party is the party of dissent and has no clear aim to move the country forward. Labour is finished - It's over!!
Michael Palmer sounds more like you want them to be over. The Labour Party are not finished, they will always be able to speak to their heartlands despite this momentary blip, the polices were overloaded I agree, but Labour does have a vision, and it is the only vision that we’ll secure a future for you and the ones you care about. It’s called social democracy and it is the Tories who haven’t clue, you will see that, managed decline whilst the richest scoop up short term gains from selling this country down the river.
Bollocks, if that was the case why would folk vote for the Tories? what connection to they have with Labour heartlands? this was all about the bullshit being fed into these heartlands from the media about the EU being responsible for all our ills
And you will find empirically, western or developed countries who have social democratic systems (policies laid out by Labour) of welfare and governance have healthier and more productive populations and that has been empirically been proven again and again. This is not mention challenges like an ageing population and ecological disaster which require an intervening state and strong public sector. Most advances that we count as examples of free market or entrepreneurial success in the late 20th century/21 st century came from publicly funded research in state owned American universities.
And therefore it is the tories and their neo liberalism and managerialist inclinations that have nothing to offer
Cheesy McCheesy Was Labour finished in 83 when Thatcher won? Stop being delusional.
If Labour want to know why they lost they need look no further than what all of them said about immigration not a single one of them address people concerns about immigration, all they did was make out that people are unhappy with foreign nurses, really you think that is all immigration is, how about you actually touch on the issue immigration does cause not a one one brought up grooming gangs not one brought deportation of foreign criminals.
They do this with everything they only ever look one way.
Sack the chair, get a professional, Lisa Nandy is the only leader
The host kept trying to catch starmer out on international law, when he is literally a lawer.
Kier has a brain but no heart.
Lisa has a heart but no brain.
Emily has 1 year of experience 20 times over.
Rebecca has no redeeming qualities.
My moneys on Rebecca to win it now.
Which is good cause Boris because no one will vote for her socialist policies, guaranteeing Boris for 10 years
RandomClick lost and then sacked. Labour getting serious.
Imagine slagging off a party that’s for the normal person and then voting a party that is going to dry bum them by offering something that is going to dry bun them also. Little England indeed.
BS Appropriate for a left winger BS. Give me little England any day than a bloody Marxist vile aggressive cult. How many votes did you nob heads get in the GE. Um dissmal. Anti semetic crap. Go and live in Venezulea.
Diane abacus for Labour leader. She would put her best two left feet forward.
I believe that she would win it big for labour. She's a women and she is from an ethnic minority background. She is perfect.
lol
Quality Big Pete !
Keir Starmer has my vote!!
Purple Turtle I agree, Nandy would be my choice if Starmer wasn’t an option.
What a load of tripe,start to finish...
Corbyn babbling about "enrichment", which means "replacing indigenous".
kasegi Yabu indigenous? Fucking hell, get over yourself. You couldn’t be more clueless.
@@tobywall755 I dont know why you're so confident. Your comment suggests you have anything but a flexible mind.
Who can blame the Scots, Irish and Welsh, wanting to isolate themselves from this the country, which been taken over by little englanders. The majority of posts on here prove just that!
inc working class don’t want these sort of people running our country . Why does that make them little Englanders
inc I’m long time labour member from a strong labour background in the welsh valleys. I would never have imagined voting for an independent Wales but I’ve been giving it some serious thought.
I don’t feel our best interests are represented in Westminster and despite the obvious challenges with the concept, welsh people are starting to take notice.
@@robgreen1818 ...Lets hope so....English Freedom...English Independence.
Is there nothing else to report on out there? Or is the bbc carrying on with there support for the labour party?
@@hydrophobicspider are you saying that newsnight is not biased?
@@hydrophobicspider Millennials came through a Labour education system and thier the least productive generation so far. Socialism for you.
ashley Auty Thanks for explaining Britain’s productivity crisis in no uncertain terms. New Labour’s education policies clearly to blame, nothing to do with Tory austerity...
@@danlewis92 lack of minimum wage jobs for that generation is down to Labour. "Rub thier noses in Diversity" Bliar said. Austerity was a consequence for Labour spending and punishment for voting the party in that spent it all. 90% of people I've seen on the news using food bank have been overweight, can't claim one is starving if one has a case of muffin top.
ashley Auty You clearly know the square root of zero about economics and are lacking in altruism. I suggest you take a trip to your local food bank for a visit and read Austerity by Mark Blyth.
BBC you're really bad at appearing impartial, the chair is just trying to get a "gotcha!" moment
HipsterBrigadier That is not about them being impartial, it’s how the media works: they don’t care about truth, they just want gossip.
If they treat both wings of the political spectrum in the same way, I don't see how that indicates bias.
The moderator was terrible. Rude, constantly interrupting, and clearly desperate to get a soundbite. The whole thing just turned into a contest of raised voices because of her incessant interruptions, it was awful to watch and very difficult to concentrate on what exactly was being said. Pretty much what I've come to expect from the BBC. Not allowing the debate to breathe and not allowing any room for nuanced discussion of very complex issues.
Labour still living in their bubble
Can't listen to more than a few minutes of them waffle on. De fund and abolish the BBC.
@looes74 looes74 Prove what he said was wrong then.
@David hill amazing!
The sheer lack of peoples ability to separate the BBC's political coverage, which was terrible (along with this), from the rest of the content the BBC does staggers me.
@David hill Wow, so much hate and clear self reflection, sorry you have so many problems in life David, I send my best wishes and hope one day you can be a real adult and get sorted out. We need everyone to wake up soon or our country as we know it is history .
Nandy came across very very well here.
No she comes across as a stooge of Zionism.
@@ZaydDepaor fuck off you crackpot
@@markcafferkey9230 No, you can go and worship your masters.
@@ZaydDepaor She is Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine, you still think she a stooge of Zionism.
@@geezalee1677 Yes I do, as was clear from her words (and she said she was anyway in this clip). Friends of Palestine means nothing in the mainstream political establishment, as it usually recognizes Israeli illegitimacy, crimes, oppression and theft etc. She was saying that denying Israel's right to exist is anti-semitic, which is false, lots of Jews say it shouldn't exist. And how can it have a right to exist when it didn't exist? People who opposed creation of Israel on Palestinian land were anti-semitic? That means anyone who opposes a black guy robbing your home and denying him the supposed 'right' is racist against blacks.
I got to 7 mins and had to watch something else. Emily thornberry nothing is your thing. My goodness what they talking about.
Good to see the BBC investing in good comedy programming once again.
Lisa Nandy seems like the only one who gets it, the others are just deluded!
I liked Kier but his waffling and nonsense in this debate was cringe worthy
My mum has been a labour party member for her whole life. This week she was told she wasn't allowed to vote in all of the leadership ballots because she was white British.
Suffice to say none of our family are now members of the Labour party.
😂😂 Grade A Bullshit
Stop spreading fake news you stupid bot!! This is a great big lie.
Calling a biological man a woman, or a biological woman a man doesn't make it true.
Even though your statement is true in their eyes your a transphobic. They would be happy for a biological man declare himself a woman so he could use women only places.
Oh no. How the hell will the UK manage without Ms Thornberry as Prime Minister? The only politician with a face like two tins of condemned veal.
Lisa Nandy sounding like Joe Biden
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What did you say to them in your original email?
Migrant workers havent drove down wages🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂rich farmers everywhere"am i going to lose my access to cheap labour when we leave" ..... get real migrant workers have crippled workers rights were all now forced to be self employed and cant get on the property ladder and there is no council flats. Migrant workers keep poor people poor and rich people rich. Need a new party in this country that represents working classes
You should have more high skilled immigration
I just wanted the referendum to be honoured. I wanted total backing for free speech ,, and this is Labours problem, Never again will I vote Labour.
They are ghost's of the dead, you can see straight through them & they touch nothing
I voted for Brexit, I voted Conservative, I then voted for The Brexit Party & voted for them in the EU elections. I voted Conservative...for Boris. The only way I would even consider voting Labour ever again is under Lisa Nandy if she did well. But even then I'd only consider it.
Jennie Morley I voted UKIP then voted for Brexit, abstained in 2017, voted Brexit Party in 2019 then spoilt my ballot in GE... I wouldn’t vote for any of these, completely useless & untrustworthy including Lisa Nandy who I’ve heard people praising... she’s wearing a mask, you’ll see.
Katie Razzall dreadful... Pushy and rude trying to show that she knew more about the issues that the candidates. Does she have a particular problem with Kier Starmer who she kept interrupting and trying to correct ?
The good thing about debate is is the fact that all four have demonstrated that they are all unsuited for national leadership.
What is disappointing however is that none of these individuals would perform as an effective opposition taking the current government to account.
Did you support Boris?
No I do not align with any party. I vote for who I deem best for the country not out of for a team or a person.
@@chrisjmirvine4980 who do you deem best currently? If you could pick any major UK politician?
noodle1987able good question!
@@chrisjmirvine4980 haha. Well you have a good few years to decide!
I like that you played communist Chinese music 😂
Emily and Keir were dreadful. It's got to be Rebecca or Lisa.
I think Keir makes some good points, but his diction is that of a lawyer. Makes him seem insincere about what he's saying.
Lisa Nandy seems a good choice.
Labour are dead and buried.... I'm Scottish and even my Mum says she would never vote Labour ever again. We all vote SNP now because they will always stick up for Scotland in Westminster and each and every time any Politician from any party attempts to dismiss our right for another Independence vote after the lies these Labour Politicians promised us in 2014, we'll it just brings more people to the INDY2 movement.
Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU and were now being dragged out of a union we want to be in by a UNION we want out of. Westminster is not Democratic and we want nothing to do with it. The Labour Party's opportunity with Scotland and Scottish voters has long since past. It's just a matter of when we get Independence... The Labour Party LMFAO 🙄🙄😂😂😂
Thought I was watching CNN then and the Democratic nominations :o) lol. And they wonder why we want to scrap the licence fee,,,,,BBC will never get a penny out of my pocket ever again !!
What a idiotic comment. Didn't the BBC cover the Torry leadership race?
Maduran Sundaresan They did
Nandy speaks sense. But liebour will never ALLOW her to win ☹️
Lisa Nandi is by far the best of a very bad bunch. Also, scrap the TV licence why am I paying for this crap?
I think it's a bit facetious to imply that people "not trusting labour with their money" was a major factor in labour's general election loss. sure, you'll always get a minority of hardcore Thatcherites and tories saying that but that ain't new, that ain't widescale and that ain't going away any time soon. there were four major factors towards the labour loss, and people "not trusting labour with their money" wasn't one of them. firstly was Brexit, which lost them many labour heartland votes due to the labour heartlands being largely Brexit voting places. number two was trust, which ties into the first factor because people felt they couldn't trust the party that was seen to be blocking Brexit. third was media smears, particularly against Corbyn, which fostered widespread dislike of Corbyn. and fourth was anti-semitism which, irregardless of how real or widespread you think it is, was a major factor in people, like my dad, feeling that they could no longer support what they saw as an anti-semitic party.
Yeah sure....That's why when there's a leadership contest the Tories are now polling higher than st the election.
The Labour party used to be a working class party they are now regarded by many as a ethnic party.
They all just don't get it, fools utter fools.
They're CLUELESS
I need approximately 50 minutes of comedy to play in the background whilst I do some video game resource grinding. This'll do.
I wanted to like Lisa Nandy but her feminist bias 26:35 40:30 47:25 discredits her ability to be fair and willing to work impartially for the good of the people she intends to represent.
Tom Mater what’s feminist bias?
Good question. 47:25 Nandy clearly shutdown Sir Starmer in favor of a feminist to solve the UK's woes and she spoke rather condescendingly towards Boris Johnson and the men who support him giving the impression perhaps a feminist possess superior qualities to other men and women. As you suggest this runs against the grain of feminism advocating women's rights on the basis of the EQUALITY of the sexes.
Tom Mater Starmer is a feminist. She’s saying that she doesn’t mind if the PM is a man or woman as long as they are a feminist.
I haven’t seen any clip to suggest that - she flags that the team around him are all men, which isn’t equality
Right, I agree with you that Sir Starmer's statement was in the true spirit of feminism but I still contend Nandy spoke with a certain bias against men. Also I would argue proportion does not have the same meaning as equality.
Wow the comments here really are a Tory bot and troll fest!
No kidding, wild isn't it...
@Silvercloud141 141 at least get some basic sense check in your algorithm or brain. But I agree bots and trolls are not voters! :)
@Silvercloud141 141 a third of people voted for labour and it's the largest political party by members in Europe. Shit defeat at the Brexit election, inevitable with the mixed stand labour was forced to take and a leader who had been smeared for 8 years. But finished? I think not.
@Silvercloud141 141 arguing the rights of foreign criminals? What on earth are you talking about? Agree brexit was handled badly, I think by the Tories too, they had to kick out half their MPs. I guess it paid off. No political party handled it well because they were both split. I know labour supporters were split down the middle.
@Silvercloud141 141 oh you mean the kid groomed by county lines who grew up in the uk and had commited a small drugs related offence that the prime minster has admitted to commiting too? Tbf I don't think race should have been mentioned but I think the case was OTT.
"Tax is the mark of a civilised society that cares for it's people." - Lisa Nandy.
Every Greek person: :o
If Keir starmer was leader in December he would now be prime minister and we wouldn’t have left the EU and wouldn’t end up w no trade agreement when the transition period ends in a year’s time and we leave the EU properly (because we are effectively still a member until the end of this year just without a say on new EU legislation)
RLB for me all the way
Commiserations on your head injury.
cringe at your judgement
Why do I get a chill when these people talk about transformation,we've had enough of your transformation.
@Joe Banks well that says more about you than it does me.
@Joe Banks 15 years of labour transformation is what I'm talking about,to rub the rights nose in diversity.spending money they don't have,cultural Marxism, indoctrination of the youth,illegal wars.
Mass migration "Joe" you mite not care but I do,what they did in the 15 years of power has scarred this country forever.
@Joe Banks go sing a song Joe.
@Joe Banks how's about some laughing emojis for Rotherham aswell pal.
@Joe Banks supporting labour-"oh dear"
So you didn't want to let him govern and you didn't think you should let him have an election? What the FUCK kind of political system is that.
Starmer always answer not directly
"We are not a racist party, we are an anti-racist party" :/
How inconvenient for you:
twitter.com/hashtag/AndrewSabisky?src=hashtag_click
but racist Tory gaffes are like buses aren't they?
@@hlund73 Why is this inconvenient for me?
@@hlund73 Not necessarily. You have any evidence to suggest what he said is wrong? Not that I like what was said, of course.
@@ClavinovamanSabiski? It's entirely possible, but why say it when gathering conclusive evidence is almost impossible and it'd still be insignificant. You'll never be able to differentiate people's intellect by their skin colour alone.
We need a better opposition. A completely different party ideally.
I've no intention of signing those pledges and I think it's shameful that anyone had to.
But they signed other religious pledges without any hesitation
@@stueymorris perhaps you could list all the pledges signed that were proposed by those representing a foreign state? Not only that but a foreign state which has human rights questions hanging over it's government? A far right foreign government, with current, active UN human rights sanctions, that continues to oppress another nation? ... Didn't think so...
@@johnlowe6611 250 million Christians persecuted last year, all by one specific group, Sweden's a war zone, thousands of grooming gang victims last year alone, 26,000+ islamofacists in the UK, mass voter fraud (against human rights conventions) fgm etc etc by eagerly signed by labour.
You misunderstand my point, I'm not on favour of any religious council's never mind political parties signing pacts.
On another note I've zero interest what the 100% corrupt UN has to say
I can't believe the arrogance of these people. They keep saying theyll listen. That "Weve lost touch" . We need to listen to what the people want. Then in the next breath:
" we have to win the argument on immigration."
Im Labour my whole life. I've now got to the point were I believe my stance on immigration is irrelevant.
Its clear the majority of the country want a tougher immigration policy. For example, Labour quite rightly want to nationalise the railways. They often quote 70% public support.
Ok then. Lets apply the same logic. Leave all the economic arguments behind. THE MAJORITY WANT A TOUGHER IMMIGRATION POLICY. And its been thrashed out for over ten years. The debate is over. The results are in
How is that so hard to grasp? When you're going round saying WE NEED TO LISTEN.
All Labour had to do was give boris his brexit. Wait for the parliament to end and offer three policies.
1. An Australian style pts based system.
2. Money for the NHS
3. No personal tax increases but a clamp down on tax aviodence and multinational companies.
That was all. They got bogged down in brexit, anti semitism and an overloaded unnecessary manifesto.
And now they will have to wait five years pretending to listen when in actual fact they still want open boarders and teenagers chopping their cocks off.
Pretentious non democrstic fools
a plague on all your houses.
And their reply would be "A tax on your houses and your wallets and your cars and anything else we can think of"
Perhaps you should give it a year and see how the CONservatives effect your life adversely.
Then see who you are cursing.
@historypoliticsbb i am pro-Labour. but the way Corbyn botched up the party's position on Brexit and other issues showed lack of leadership and foresight and care for the future.
@Silvercloud141 141. Labour are just arguing for justice. But justice is becoming unfashionable in this age of populist BS.
@Silvercloud141 141. Did you even bother to listen to what Corbyn said? The majority of those being deported are not rapists or hardened criminals. And how is it reasonable to doubly punish people who have already served their time? This whole business is just gesture to those with hardened beliefs and has nothing to do with justice or the victims of crime.
Keir or Lisa for leader in my opinion.
6 minutes in and they`re talking about the Iraq war ffs. Labour lost my vote 25 years ago.....never again
Pretty much brought up by the moderator.
And what they said about the Iraq War was "it was wrong", "it was illegal" and they wouldn't like to see Tony Blair charged with war crimes
Who do you vote for now?
I agree with the older lady during interviews, they will never see power again.
Thoroughly impressed with Lisa Nandy. But has she got what it takes to take on the Conservatives? I don’t know.
who now gets behind the idea that a womens rights group who disagree with her is a "hate group" and has jumped on the identitarian bandwagon. She hasn't got what it takes to deal with daily reality - just like all the others.
I noticed Rebecca Long-Bailey's LOVE UNIONS badge...
@Ian Brown I did, because Long-Bailey speaks and appears like she is in a trance.
She looks like a punch and judy doll
Lol Dafty ! ...now I've had a chance to pause for thought she also resembles Mummy Woodentop .
No one cares
The British public do not take them seriously.
After that disastrous result they should go away and regroup.
It is embarrassing.
It is so strange that the BBC moderator is so hostile?