Bet those tabs inside the pyrofuse are there to break the electrical arc that will shoot up between the two terminals when they get separated. Same thing on your house's fuses!
The tabs are actually there to slow down the broken fuse tab part and also act like a ratchet (one way) to prevent the tab bouncing back and making contact again after it hits the limits of the casing.
Those fins are there to quench (cool to extinguish) electric arcs formed when you break a high current. Take apart a mini circuit breaker (MCB) from your service panel, you will find the same structure.
Matt, I had an eighty-something Ford that had an inertia switch that isolated the fuel pump in case of an accident. Junk yards should have a plentiful supply of Fords with inertia switches to repurpose for battery isolation.
FYI I have been doing a little research on the Tesla Model 3 battery pack and the difference between the 50 kwh battery pack that Matt has and the longer range 74 kwh battery pack is that the "bricks" that make up the battery modules contain fewer cells in the smaller pack. On the Model 3, the cells are combined in parallel in sub components called bricks which are wired together in series to create the modules. Both the 50 kwh and 74 kwh battery pack modules contain the same number of bricks (23 in the short modules and 25 in the long modules). The difference is that the 50 kwh pack only has 31 cells per brick while the 74 kwh pack has 46 cells per brick. Since the bricks are wired in series to form modules, the modules from the 50 kwh pack have the same voltage as their equivalents of the 74 kwh pack. In other words, the shorter range modules in Matt's Jaguar don't have cells removed from the middle of the module, they have the same number of cells removed across the length of the module. Ain't EVs fun?
I also have the short modules he was talking about. If you want to figure out whether the short modules are in the pack or not just try to lift the front end of the battery. If you can move it at all you are either superman or you have one with the short modules; seriously, even the small ones are ridiculously heavy, even with 3ft of leverage. It took 4 of us to load the battery up and when I say 4 of us I mean 4 HVAC people who regularly put air conditioners on roofs. As for how to get the middle 2 out, I flipped the casing almost vertical and carefully rotated them out.
i geuss you could make opening the battery a bit safer by putting a bolt through the edge of putty Knife blade to limit how far in it can go. - You could then call it the super secret battery opening tool
There's a pretty solid wall of plastic around the outer edges of the cells in the battery modules. I've taken it off on purpose, and it's not something you're likely to break through by accident. Don't test this, but I feel like if you intentionally tried to do it by hammering a putty knife straight in, your arm would likely give up before the plastic did, but I guess with a super sharp putty knife and a sledgehammer, you could maybe manage it. Which would short out a maximum of 8 volts, due to the way the battery cell blocks are arrayed.
So to get the middle modules out for anyone who is wondering, the best way I found is raise the front end to where the batteries are facing almost straight up (about 75⁰) then carefully rotate the modules out of the beams. Make sure you have them strapped to something because they will fall the moment they are unlatched. I hooked mine to the ceiling.
Awesome build! really looking forward to the next steps. Please keep the original Jaguar wheels and look and feel of the car (at least from the outside) .
I worked at Tesla back in the 18650 days. The battery pack had a huge sheet of aluminum that needed to be removed and basically scrapped before accessing the modules. Is that a plastic cover on it now or is that also aluminum? Looks like they still have serviceability issues. Thanks for the video! BTW there definitely was a proprietary plastic chisel and other tools for removing the cover.
I live very close to that salvage yard area outside of Sacramento. Funny thing about the road you mentioned that's lined with yards, it's actually called "Recycle Road." Also, as a classic volvo enthusiast, it's necessary to have places like this nearby.
A note on the putty knife to open the battery. If you're careful, you shouldn't have a problem, but even if you're not careful, the way the blocks of batteries are arrayed, you're only going to be able to short out about 8v max across the blade of the putty knife. Still, as long as you're not using a sledgehammer, it'll be pretty hard to do it by accident.
I know this is years late but: The gap underneath the battery pack is for cell venting. Cells outgas naturally and the pack has several pressure sensors to monitor pressure as a variable of health and feedback into controls systems.
Never say never. I love how easy it is to jump in my electric truck and make a run to the hardware store. Beats the daylights out of tuning carburetors every time the weather changes or having to flush the gasoline every year because it didn't get driven enough.
I remember Penthouse. Mostly for the articles. Your comment about it almost had whiskey flying out my nose. Which would have been weird since I don't drink.
Hi Matt love you content. In the profuse . Those fins are the arc chute. When hi amp dc circuit open it will arc. As it arcs the metal will form plasma which is conductive. The chute cool the arc and extiques
I believe the fins on the Pyrofuse are for spark suppression. It turns out that if you interrupt a high voltage with potentially inductive load, you will end up with an big arc and if its not extinguished can lead to things catching fire.
I "drove electric cars" when I was 4 yrs old. The "car" was a house outlet near the floor, and the "steering wheel" was a couple of my mother's knitting needles that I inserted into said outlet. That got me going!
I'm doing a battery upgrade on model 3 standard range to long range conversion and couldn't find hardly any videos showing teardown on a very common tesla so thank u for that. I actually found a guy that hacked the cpu and Vin so car now thinks it's long range. Please do more tesla content 🙏
In regards to metal sheers. Milwaukee makes a great electric sheer when you get tired of working so hard. But I feel like you're already detail oriented enough to have already😂🤣 consider this option, and went with the cheaper route
If you flatten the fuse tab and reassemble it into the top part of the casing and then manually bend it down you will see that the fins are actually there to act like a ratchet, they also disipate the energy from the pyro to prevent the tab breaking free and malking contact as a loose component or swinging back down to make contact when it bounces off the case.
You're right. The lingo is "arc chute". Matt the expanding hot air (from the heat of the arc) pushes the arc into those fins where it spreads the ionized air out and cools it to extinguish the arc. Otherwise, after the fuse blows, the connection might remain through the arc. As long as current flows, the air stays hot and ionized, so the arc is self sustaining.
The guys from Rich Rebuilds will probably answer some of your questions. Especially electrical modules, the guy there is frigging great at Tesla components.
realy I liked and loved your introduction on this video and post the replay on that base before completing it the best ever introduction I've seen 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I like this Matt better. Future Matt is doing stuff with explodey combustion based power sources, doesn't have the same dry joke density & isn't looking as healthy as this one. Or, more positively, this video was awesome! Thanks :)
Love your sense of humour, very British 😉. Please, please, keep the Whitworth bolts. It's a bit of history and an excuse to buy a bespoke quality socket set. For some reason you can get quite cheap stahlwille or britool socket sets in the UK on eBay anyway. 👍
Late notice in your gorgeous project (from an old Broken Kitty tech, turned EV diag specialist > don't forget design requirements for flood ports and isolation concerns ! Beautiful Project > one of my first resto's was a '49 XK120 (family biz) Keep up the awesome work ! Dont blow your @#$K off !!! :)
I worked in an er as the cleaner for about 2 years, a guy came in after trying to wire a bunch of batteries in sequence, 3 fingers gone. 3rd degree burns all up his arm and chemical burns on his face neck and torso after one of the batteries caught fire and exploded. Luckily he had a chemical extinguisher, but using it caused him to be in the blast zone.
And dude, when batteries are getting shorted while crashing cables will explode almost instantly, button is ridiculous as fuse trigger. Just use it to disconnect main relay, it clicks for free
I've run out of Shelves™ in my two car garage, help! Perhaps getting the going on three year project occupying half the garage finished and moved out would help
Quick question about the air gap. Is that just the bottom of the battery cells up above it or is there more protective material on the underside of the module? What’s the undercarriage material below the air gap, just 1/8” steel? I’m trying to judge if I damaged my pack by running a rock along it and you are the only person on the internet who seems to have any idea about the battery armor!
Hi great video helpful👍 I just want know about Tesla model 3 after replacing pyro fuse still gear liver is not responding is there any program has to be run ???
inverted rounded pentalobe security(meaning Hole/protrusion) = "tesla" super secret tool. i do like the humor, good job. an inertia switch for an airbag system may just work for your application, I.E. impact detect switches, latching/resetable relay stops control for contactor. ford has one to shut off the fuel pump, and you have to push a button to reset it.
I am curious about the individual bricks. I am wondering if I can split each brick in half in order to double the voltage of the module so I can use two modules instead of four.
Sure. But you don't want to because it's going to be an insane amount of work, the onboard BMS chips won't work anymore, among other things. One step further would be basically just taking it completely apart and using the cells to make your own battery packs (and you'd probably be better off). It's possible, but this is probably not the way you want to do what you're trying to do.
Hi I want to do an electric conversion where I use a Tesla Model S Small Drive unit motor. I want high power (220kW) for a short period of time and I don't want to cover distances greater than 30 km. What battery do you advise me to use so that it is as small as possible and hits this kind of power?
"the legal way...as far as you know" aaaaaand subscribed
Bet those tabs inside the pyrofuse are there to break the electrical arc that will shoot up between the two terminals when they get separated. Same thing on your house's fuses!
Interesting. Good to know!
The tabs are actually there to slow down the broken fuse tab part and also act like a ratchet (one way) to prevent the tab bouncing back and making contact again after it hits the limits of the casing.
Technical term is Arc Chute. Google throws up images identical to it.
The combination of incredible practical skills with such laconic self-deprecating humour is irresistible. Well done, Sir!!
Many thanks!
I quite like your content SFM, it's consistently adequate.
I'm not sure why, but I really like the compliment "consistently adequate." I'm adding it to my dating profile.
@@SuperfastMatt you guys should do stand up comedy together smh love it
@@SuperfastMatt 🤣🤣🤣
Those fins are there to quench (cool to extinguish) electric arcs formed when you break a high current. Take apart a mini circuit breaker (MCB) from your service panel, you will find the same structure.
This is correct - I believe this is called the 'arc chute'
Old proverb;
"When in doubt, pull the meter out"
(Volt meter)
Matt, I had an eighty-something Ford that had an inertia switch that isolated the fuel pump in case of an accident. Junk yards should have a plentiful supply of Fords with inertia switches to repurpose for battery isolation.
I’ve also heard they are stupid east to reset which is great because doesn’t matter if it rusted out or got t boned.
FYI I have been doing a little research on the Tesla Model 3 battery pack and the difference between the 50 kwh battery pack that Matt has and the longer range 74 kwh battery pack is that the "bricks" that make up the battery modules contain fewer cells in the smaller pack.
On the Model 3, the cells are combined in parallel in sub components called bricks which are wired together in series to create the modules. Both the 50 kwh and 74 kwh battery pack modules contain the same number of bricks (23 in the short modules and 25 in the long modules). The difference is that the 50 kwh pack only has 31 cells per brick while the 74 kwh pack has 46 cells per brick. Since the bricks are wired in series to form modules, the modules from the 50 kwh pack have the same voltage as their equivalents of the 74 kwh pack.
In other words, the shorter range modules in Matt's Jaguar don't have cells removed from the middle of the module, they have the same number of cells removed across the length of the module. Ain't EVs fun?
I also have the short modules he was talking about. If you want to figure out whether the short modules are in the pack or not just try to lift the front end of the battery. If you can move it at all you are either superman or you have one with the short modules; seriously, even the small ones are ridiculously heavy, even with 3ft of leverage. It took 4 of us to load the battery up and when I say 4 of us I mean 4 HVAC people who regularly put air conditioners on roofs. As for how to get the middle 2 out, I flipped the casing almost vertical and carefully rotated them out.
Gosh - 6 min into the video and I cannot stop laughing. Rare to see exceptional knowledge paired with an extraordinary sense of humour.... Well done.
I agree!!
Thank you!
I think the crowd that watches him could see the longer version of this.
what a stumble upon to find this gem of dry humour and great building. do not stop with the humour, i think we all need this
i geuss you could make opening the battery a bit safer by putting a bolt through the edge of putty Knife blade to limit how far in it can go. - You could then call it the super secret battery opening tool
There's a pretty solid wall of plastic around the outer edges of the cells in the battery modules. I've taken it off on purpose, and it's not something you're likely to break through by accident. Don't test this, but I feel like if you intentionally tried to do it by hammering a putty knife straight in, your arm would likely give up before the plastic did, but I guess with a super sharp putty knife and a sledgehammer, you could maybe manage it. Which would short out a maximum of 8 volts, due to the way the battery cell blocks are arrayed.
So to get the middle modules out for anyone who is wondering, the best way I found is raise the front end to where the batteries are facing almost straight up (about 75⁰) then carefully rotate the modules out of the beams. Make sure you have them strapped to something because they will fall the moment they are unlatched. I hooked mine to the ceiling.
Cunningham's law. The best. "Dear Penthouse". I'm still laughing.
I fu*king love this channel. Started with the land speed car, now working my way back through the older vids.
Been watching for a few weeks now. You're on my top 5 list to watch on TH-cam. Can't wait to see the viper and smart car Ferris wheel.
Awesome build! really looking forward to the next steps. Please keep the original Jaguar wheels and look and feel of the car (at least from the outside) .
Nice Whitworth adapter. I am always befuddled for a few minutes when I run in to them.
Seeing one just pulls a strong guffaw from me.
9:25- Those are arc chutes. They cool down the arc. circuit breakers have those too.
I worked at Tesla back in the 18650 days. The battery pack had a huge sheet of aluminum that needed to be removed and basically scrapped before accessing the modules. Is that a plastic cover on it now or is that also aluminum? Looks like they still have serviceability issues. Thanks for the video! BTW there definitely was a proprietary plastic chisel and other tools for removing the cover.
I live very close to that salvage yard area outside of Sacramento. Funny thing about the road you mentioned that's lined with yards, it's actually called "Recycle Road."
Also, as a classic volvo enthusiast, it's necessary to have places like this nearby.
I really like your style! Keep up the dry humor :D
Thanks! I'm glad people enjoy the dry humor. It's all the humor I've got!
The fins inside the fuse are ARC SUPPRESSION to extinguish the DC arc as it breaks with current flow.
A note on the putty knife to open the battery. If you're careful, you shouldn't have a problem, but even if you're not careful, the way the blocks of batteries are arrayed, you're only going to be able to short out about 8v max across the blade of the putty knife. Still, as long as you're not using a sledgehammer, it'll be pretty hard to do it by accident.
I know this is years late but:
The gap underneath the battery pack is for cell venting.
Cells outgas naturally and the pack has several pressure sensors to monitor pressure as a variable of health and feedback into controls systems.
This is awesome stuff. Clear and not too much blabla if you just want to get things started. Thanks!! Keep up that good work!
I love the subtle comedy of this channel.
never plan on putting any electric engine in any project i have but still love watching. even learned something new (i think) Cunninghams Law..
Never say never. I love how easy it is to jump in my electric truck and make a run to the hardware store. Beats the daylights out of tuning carburetors every time the weather changes or having to flush the gasoline every year because it didn't get driven enough.
I remember Penthouse. Mostly for the articles. Your comment about it almost had whiskey flying out my nose. Which would have been weird since I don't drink.
Just about 1:30 in the video and I had to hit the Like Button. I really love your sense of humour! 😀
SuperfastMatt is like 1000% funny. The whole idea for this project and the execution is fantastic!
Hi Matt love you content. In the profuse . Those fins are the arc chute. When hi amp dc circuit open it will arc. As it arcs the metal will form plasma which is conductive. The chute cool the arc and extiques
I believe the fins on the Pyrofuse are for spark suppression. It turns out that if you interrupt a high voltage with potentially inductive load, you will end up with an big arc and if its not extinguished can lead to things catching fire.
Great comedy timing, love this channel so far
My favourite car channel beside Bad Obsession. Great editing and excellent content!
Finally i found the best channel on how to use Tesla parts! Go on please
You're awesome! Never seen such stoic wit in my life...props
fins in the fuse are for quenching the humongus electric arc that will result if fuse blows at full power draw
This is a quality video. Looking forward to celebrating your 1,000,000th subscriber. 🙂
Fins in fuse are for arc suppression. DC is prone to arcing, this is why welders are DC.
Would it kill you to provide a shopping link for Shelves? You might actually get some sponsorship. Also discount codes for subscribers would be nice,
Loving these videos! Keep 'em coming! And don't explode your ***** !
Just wanted to chime in here:
You’re actually completely correct about the cosmic radiation.
I came to the comments just to figure this out. Thanks!
I don't have much interest in EVs but subbed for the awesome engineering. Thanks!
@9:30 They are refereed to as arc chutes.
I "drove electric cars" when I was 4 yrs old. The "car" was a house outlet near the floor, and the "steering wheel" was a couple of my mother's knitting needles that I inserted into said outlet. That got me going!
15:23 - a man of culture
I'm doing a battery upgrade on model 3 standard range to long range conversion and couldn't find hardly any videos showing teardown on a very common tesla so thank u for that. I actually found a guy that hacked the cpu and Vin so car now thinks it's long range. Please do more tesla content 🙏
Can confirm, will buy shelf.
Wow, thanks for such detailed tear down. Pretty sure that’s above my pay grade.
Dude, I love your ff'ing style 😁😂😁
I'll be closely watching this build 🖒
In regards to metal sheers. Milwaukee makes a great electric sheer when you get tired of working so hard. But I feel like you're already detail oriented enough to have already😂🤣 consider this option, and went with the cheaper route
You are my favourite channel ❤
Your very intelligent humor made me clic that subscription button. Keep the good work!
This info is gold 🙏
I think the fins in the fuse are actually to quench the arc as the electrical connection is broken. Circuit breakers have something very similar.
Interesting. I've never taken apart a circuit breaker but they do look similar to the ones on google images. I bet you're right.
If you flatten the fuse tab and reassemble it into the top part of the casing and then manually bend it down you will see that the fins are actually there to act like a ratchet, they also disipate the energy from the pyro to prevent the tab breaking free and malking contact as a loose component or swinging back down to make contact when it bounces off the case.
You're right. The lingo is "arc chute". Matt the expanding hot air (from the heat of the arc) pushes the arc into those fins where it spreads the ionized air out and cools it to extinguish the arc. Otherwise, after the fuse blows, the connection might remain through the arc. As long as current flows, the air stays hot and ionized, so the arc is self sustaining.
Currently doing a classic mini this vid really helped alot. THANK YOU!
9:36 it is an electric arc extinguisher
The guys from Rich Rebuilds will probably answer some of your questions. Especially electrical modules, the guy there is frigging great at Tesla components.
Yep...... “no shortcuts to the penthouse”. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Unless you were a card holding Penthouse Club member or your name was Hugh Hefner! 😆
realy I liked and loved your introduction on this video and post the replay on that base before completing it
the best ever introduction I've seen 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
You always make me chuckle in your vids, but this one was hilarious!!
I like this Matt better. Future Matt is doing stuff with explodey combustion based power sources, doesn't have the same dry joke density & isn't looking as healthy as this one.
Or, more positively, this video was awesome! Thanks :)
"Sometimes I like to stick my fingers in mysterious holes." Genius.
you make all the ***** explode, matt
that sponsor deserves a like
Put a penny in that fuse. Worked at home😬
Love your sense of humour, very British 😉. Please, please, keep the Whitworth bolts. It's a bit of history and an excuse to buy a bespoke quality socket set. For some reason you can get quite cheap stahlwille or britool socket sets in the UK on eBay anyway. 👍
Late notice in your gorgeous project (from an old Broken Kitty tech, turned EV diag specialist > don't forget design requirements for flood ports and isolation concerns ! Beautiful Project > one of my first resto's was a '49 XK120 (family biz) Keep up the awesome work ! Dont blow your @#$K off !!! :)
I worked in an er as the cleaner for about 2 years, a guy came in after trying to wire a bunch of batteries in sequence, 3 fingers gone. 3rd degree burns all up his arm and chemical burns on his face neck and torso after one of the batteries caught fire and exploded. Luckily he had a chemical extinguisher, but using it caused him to be in the blast zone.
Don't fuck around with electricity.
Your videos started good and keep getting better! Keep it up
Thanks! I'll try to keep the quality on an upward trajectory.
Every feature inside of battery fuse is an arc quenching and venting feature, it is not just vent for explosives
This means for example, that orientation is important when it is reallocated
And dude, when batteries are getting shorted while crashing cables will explode almost instantly, button is ridiculous as fuse trigger. Just use it to disconnect main relay, it clicks for free
You didn’t end up 3d scanning that whole model 3 battery pack before tearing it apart did you?
I've run out of Shelves™ in my two car garage, help!
Perhaps getting the going on three year project occupying half the garage finished and moved out would help
i run 6 right now, time to get more ...
Super fast and funny Matt you should call yourself.
Ah, HAH! jokes on you, I dont have a left hand. I can disregard all safety advice now I have exposed that one loophole.
Great videos, keep 'em coming.
You've probably already crossed this bridge, but I'm sure you could repurpose and air bag impact sensor for the pyro fuse
@9:35 its to cool down the electical arch that comes from breaking the high voltage.
Damn, now I want some Shelves brand shelves
I love your humour (humor).
Kind regards,
An Englishman.
Insane that you even attempted this. Never felt too far in over your head?
Where would I find can bus code to close the battery contact? on Tesla 3 battery
Can you tell us what are located the positive and negative poles of the HV battery. Nice video. It is that I am a beginner. Have my best.!
Quick question about the air gap. Is that just the bottom of the battery cells up above it or is there more protective material on the underside of the module? What’s the undercarriage material below the air gap, just 1/8” steel? I’m trying to judge if I damaged my pack by running a rock along it and you are the only person on the internet who seems to have any idea about the battery armor!
What a legend.
This feels like an online zoom class but the person talking is actually funny
Hi great video helpful👍 I just want know about Tesla model 3 after replacing pyro fuse still gear liver is not responding is there any program has to be run ???
inverted rounded pentalobe security(meaning Hole/protrusion) = "tesla" super secret tool. i do like the humor, good job. an inertia switch for an airbag system may just work for your application, I.E. impact detect switches, latching/resetable relay stops control for contactor. ford has one to shut off the fuel pump, and you have to push a button to reset it.
I am curious about the individual bricks. I am wondering if I can split each brick in half in order to double the voltage of the module so I can use two modules instead of four.
Sure. But you don't want to because it's going to be an insane amount of work, the onboard BMS chips won't work anymore, among other things. One step further would be basically just taking it completely apart and using the cells to make your own battery packs (and you'd probably be better off). It's possible, but this is probably not the way you want to do what you're trying to do.
The guy below me 6min in couldn't stop laughing... 6min in my brain melted. Best ever.
5.20 is that the music from gran turismo prologue?
what is the bottom side like, like how strong is it that side since its the part exposed to the bottom of car many people will scrap it?
Awesome content. I had to watch all your other videos, it’s like crack 😇 No where is that lighter .....
Hi
I want to do an electric conversion where I use a Tesla Model S Small Drive unit motor.
I want high power (220kW) for a short period of time and I don't want to cover distances greater than 30 km.
What battery do you advise me to use so that it is as small as possible and hits this kind of power?
Hello from israel,Mat i just want to say i love your channel,but mostly your great humour.
The one dislike was from Tesla
Well...fuck'um.
cause fk'm -winner
Hi can you tell me the overall length , width , Hight of the enclosure thanks
How did you get the menu music of the mobile game "Flight Pilot" into this video?
Shelves I need Shelves. Where can I get some shelves?
You could do stand-up on the side 👍🤣