@@timothynorman9170 i did the apprentice route, no debt collected and i earn the same as anyone who has been to university in my line of work so i agree with that
You've got to be a total moron to send your kids to college nowadays anyway. At least with buying a money pit car, it still gets you from A to B. All colleges and universities do is kill your kids moral values.
Yeah I thought rebuilding the front end of my skylark would be about a month in a half instead 2 and a half and 2 extra grand because of a bunk sway bar
that depends on what you call 'ultralight' if you're talking US part 103, then there is indeed a speed limit (72mph I think?) :P Sorry, gotta be nitpicky for nitpicky sake sometimes.
Eh. I'd rather a kit-built LSA category aircraft. But I'm in a different country, so I don't know. XD I mean, those can be had for what would be the equivalent of about $20,000 US or less. Sure you need a pilot's license first, which will set you back almost as much in it's own right. But still... Speed limit below 10,000 feet is 240 knots. (about 275 mph) However, most small, cheap LSA category aircraft don't get much beyond 100 knots (maybe 110 to 130 if you've got a nice one, but those tend to be more towards the $200,000 price range.) That's about 115 mph. And yes, you can and will be doing that. In fact, it'd be unusual for an aircraft to be doing less than it's top speed except when trying to land or take off... Of course, now you're restricted to operating from airports... Also did I mention that your basic pilot's license only teaches VFR? So... Don't expect to go anywhere in bad weather or poor visibility. Or even just if it happens to be a cloudy day... (Clouds are the mortal enemy of the VFR pilot. IFR pilots don't care about clouds, but to a VFR pilot they're way more dangerous than you would ever think a cloud could possibly be...)
@@DFX2KX It depends. Pilots license or not? Without a license you can top at 120mph only and fly days only below cloud lines. No airports with towers. With a license, you can fly any time and at night any airport you please can be landed at
I think the real issue is trying to deal with the specifics of adaptation. Basically you would need to find a way to build a mount system for an electric motor and sell pre-built electrical harnesses, wires. Etc. and systems to reuse as much of the original equipment as possible, and it'd have to be on a car by car basis. Options packages add a while new level to that
@@draven4464 I think the conversion could simply start with an electric motor in place of the engine and transmission and you don't worry about the regenerative braking. Modularize batteries like Lego bricks fitment for easy upgrade. Older large bodied cars will be easier as they have room to spare.
No, stick to the money leave the poor penny pencher to gas cars. Batteries at $1000 per kwh are going to cost 10000 no matter what for decent range. Imagine it's zero in gas ever again. You need to pay for 15 yrs of gas upfront. It costs 30k to restore any classic lol you make way more money that way
or simply ... some of your questions answered / advertising for our garage... but found it very helpful just not too much interesting like the older videos. but still nice to watch the whole way threw .
As someone who helped a friend do a 318i conversion to electrical, this video needs to be seen by ANYONE even dreaming of doing a conversion. it sounds simple on paper but getting into the nitty gritty is very expensive and time consuming. Good luck with the model A
I had an 316 e46 with brocken rod bearrings and a worn out vvt, i thought about a conversion... I dropped that idea after one Saturday of Research.. I knew it would not be cheap but the numbers you get are insane, when you want it on the road here in Germany...
Nah who needs sleep? A shop might be an option for some people but not for me and not in Germany, the rules to get a car street legal are insane. And I also like to be in my shed and fiddle with cars, so paying for the fun part will never be an option :)
Well no, he didn't. He killed dreams of a VW bus with a 90 CD changer, 5 screens, and a bunch of other shit you don't need on top of an already expensive car. Fucking dumb. If you want to make your own tesla on top of an already manufactured car that at this point isn't really a car due to all of the manufacturer specific nonsense and then tried to make a Tesla from parts. Anyone that puts together old toys, cars, guitars etc will tell you putting a thing together as that thing is always more expensive than just buying the whole thing. Lots of ways around this price that if you were sane and not a fast and furious hype beast turd would cut thousands off that price. Batteries etc are gonna cost you but $200+ miles range? Maybe 20k aint bad. How far can most peoples gas cars make it before needing to fill up again? lol. Don't try and make your own Tesla kids, make your own electric car.....without cameras and monitors all over it. The fuck do you need screens for in a car again?
Not really, those conversions can still make sense. You own these classic cars because you love them, don't you? And spending money on something you love can sometimes be justified. I would love to have an old VW type 2 and to electrify it. This even if it would be far far cheaper to just buy the gas as needed for the few miles these classics normally run.
@Robert Slackware you're thinking about it backwards. The vehicle wouldn't electronically unlock the trunk for outside access, because it couldn't tell if the vehicle was safely in park, or in reverse or neutral, putting in danger someone standing behind the vehicle. Trunks do indeed have manual emergency releases inside. Still surprised this is actually a thing though.
Great analysis and brought me back to my senses. I was thinking of converting my mountain bike to electric and when comparing upgrading my bike to a brand new much better e-bike with better components, battery/warranty, I bought the new bike and saved around $300 compared to the cost of upgrading my bike. And, with the new bike everything worked great, better brakes, etc. and I was riding it instead of screwing with a retrofit, risking battery fires and all the time. Your analysis is right on, it will be a used model S next for me.
You’re inspiring, Rich! As an IT guy with little hands-on automotive experience, this stuff makes me more confident in eventually taking on my own EV conversion.
I’ve done many engine swaps and converting to electric has some of the same problems. Keep these things in mind - The car you build will have little to no resale value, something will rattle loose regularly, some connection will give you continuous problems, the parts are not engineered to work together and the conversion is not engineered so something will be off (power/handling/comfort/usability/safety/reliability), don’t think you are going to use a pieced together conversion car as a primary driver - you must have a real car to use when your conversion car constantly breaks, and it won’t be as cool in reality as it is in your mind. For all the trouble building a really nice stock original gasoline engine for your classic is probably a far better choice and then you get that resale back. Imagine investing $60k into a classic Porsche and getting all of your money back when you sell it so you can then buy the next fun car rather than throw all that money away.
I mean, he's not wrong. First rule of car modding is that you'll never truly get what you want out of selling it if you build it to your style and liking. That's why classic cars with all original parts can get millions after restoration. They are something that was massed produced and people with the money buy them for life memories or because the value will only increase. Tuner cars and anything you will diy to electric are gonna be in your style and taste. No one will pay everything you put into it. If you want that, just go buy a telsa or other electric car and keep it pristine until you're ready to let it go. Anyone can literally do anything they put your mind to, but unless you go into production, it's simply something you're doing for yourself.
@@McMukMuk That mindset is changing a bit though as the younger generations discover these old cars. Believe me when I say they have no qualms about stuffing whatever powertrain they feel like in there, and yes sometimes those cars are in amazing original condition. If/when prices come down on these EV parts you are going to see more rather than less of them regardless of any sell-on value. Having said that, resto-mod's at auction are doing quite well and I have to think that the 'mod' in Resto-mod will one day be EV.
badchefi Oops, it depends. If you want to drive a leaf, get a 2013+. But if you want to use it for parts, the older ones are better because less integrated. 2010-12
Can't be the only one that was puzzle here... Cut the whole interior panel to get access to two bolts behind the gas... Really? Why not cut the two straps from the back instead? It's not like you will need them anyways without a fuel tank there.
It makes for an interesting vid but it was a completely ignorant way of going about it. Pulling the body off isn't difficult whatsoever. Poor ole thing didn't deserve that sort of butchery
Great vid. I helped a buddy build a EV VW using some kit he got online and you covered a bunch of the big talking points that often come up when people ask about jobs like that. I hope as battery tech moves forward we will see smaller and lighter units that will help with some of the issues.
Yeah. Or I can swap my dinky civic and actually makes something bad ass out of a normally slow car. I think it would be easier to convert it to rwd too, if more expensive
Thank you for this video. This just reminded me when I got schooled on how doing an LS swap on a 72 C10 will cost way way way more than the 1000 dollars or so that you would spend on a junkyard engine.
Excellent video. It just goes to show that any car mods or restoration follow the same mantra, "You'll never get out what you put in to it." It is a labor of love, but not impossible.
I was looking into to doing this right now only in early stages of research what were the main problems with doing this did u have an estimate price you ended up with at all this would be my first project car
Hey I remember my old 56 Chevy I could not push the clutch in and just turn the key and the starter motor would make the car move, that's just like an electric car but in slow motion : )
Converting a Miata would defeat the whole purpose of the car anyway. It's supposed to be a lightweight sports car that handles well, and batteries are very heavy.
@@DobroPlayer12 While that is true, I think you are ignoring that an easy compromise technically to preserve all of that is range. Even with a gas range extender onboard, the early BMW i3 is under 2900 lbs. 80 miles of range is what you get for the generator-free version at 2635 lbs.
Rich, I could not have said it better. I've been building/driving ev's since the 90's. All DC. I can't believe people think it is so simple to remove the ICE and transfer all the complicated and proprietary electronics from a donor Leaf/Tesla; and in the same breath say they know anything about electricity. I tell newbies buy a DC non running conversion for cheap, learn from it and get it running; then think about building a 'Tesla' race car. Maybe in the future someone will offer rolling ev 'skateboards' for body swaps. Only time will tell.
Isn't Rivian planning to do something, somewhat, kinda like what you said in your last sentence; offering skateboards to anyone to do whatever? Edit: Atlis, not Rivian.
@@calebharris292 I'm going to hazard a guess and say... DC Forklift-style motor with already-mounted controller and a selection of pre-made adapter plates for different makes/models? I mean, just a mass produced adapter plate selection for common engines would make it an intriguing option with some of the perfect-body-but-doesn't-start cars I see around here.
I love the way you explain the reality! I wanted to build up a 1920's era pickup truck and convert it to a Tesla build but I too estimated upwards of $35,000 even if I scored on some parts. I ended up buying a 2015 Smart fortwo Electric Drive and tricked it out! I just wish it had more range...
I've ridden in Sam's Audi. It's amazing. Got me seriously thinking of trying to do a conversion too. One thing that makes it easier is that Sam used an open source controller and ditched the Tesla ECU. Do that and you don't need half as much of the original Tesla components (No Infotainment system on which to play MarioKart)..
Good episode thanks! Just back from Fully Charged Live at Silverstone. Some amazing conversions there and yes....all of them were on older cars, incl an XJ-S and Ferrari 308.
I've redone the math every few years on conversions in general, and boy have things changed. When my mom did her 1979 VW Rabbit conversion in 1993, it was the Rabbit, Beetle, Ghia, the occasional Type 2, and a few (mechanically similar) Porsches. The car still runs with the stock manual transmission, no power steering, electric vacuum pump for the brake booster, minimal instrumentation, and at the time, a homemade battery charger. Conversion cost to make a diesel Rabbit run for 50 miles on lead-acid batteries was around $5000 in 1992. Since then, the radio and battery charger have been upgraded, and we finally added a heater last year. And here I am listening to Rich run through the cost of CANbus integration of airbags and infotainment systems, and feeling like the old guy saying "back in my day"... Rich, you're the best. Keep up the awesome work!
And this is why you do.. -classic car, Corvette C3 in my case -chevy volt batteries, lots of power but only like 130 miles of range which is fine (4 grand) -model 3 motor, powerful but still efficient, and they'll get cheap soon because they'll be everywhere (5 grand) -one of those $3000 all in one motor controllers that interfaces with the Tesla inverter manages almost everything -mount batteries in the engine bay and gas tank location, mount the motor like a rear diff, no transmission, minimal fabrication -belt fed power steering that's only really on at low speeds -fast charger setup! Chademo because it's much easier to implement -probabky skip a/c at first Should be 15 to 20k, minus the donor car
Things like "soon" and "should" are not something I would suggest anyone to base their future plans on :) Add labor cost and you are also back at 30k or more - that gives you 150-200mile working used EV that has more features and is safe to use :)
@@gelisob I'd be doing the swap myself of course. Not that I don't trust a shop, it's just that it's much more satisfying that way. Of course, it'll take 6 months to a year , which I'm expecting.
Thank you finally an honest assessment of an EV conversion. I help my friend convert his 1970 vw van. First off he is an electrical engineer and had spent the previous year planing his power train. It took a lot of work to get it done and still took a good 90 days of him working out all the problem after it was complete. After he did a second one he worked out a bunch of procedures and parts to do vw van conversion. Even after he got that business up and working he sold it because he could never figure out away to make economical for the average customer. The last time we spoke he was working with another engineer on the feasibility of running the shop out of Mexico converting vans.
The truth is hard, but yep, it's expensive, and the worst part... it won't get any cheaper, most componets you need, are already in the market. some for like 30 years (controlers, pwm, inverters, chargers, etc) and the quality ones, don't go down on price, batteries, for 10 years they don't lower the price. EV's are cool, yes, but I would need, alone, two cars... Nice video Rich!
I really enjoyed this video. Also, I really appreciated this video. It's honest, and entertaining. That's rare on the internet. Strong work @Rich Rebuilds.
Thanks, Rich, for once again disillusioning me about electric cars! But I mean that in the most positive way possible: This video was, as usual, highly informative and I do like the budget breakdown of the cost of needed components and labor. You just cured me of wanting to convert my minivan to electric lol
Superb video Rich! A lot of concrete information to work with. It's good to know that an EV conversion is an expensive mountain to climb. If I could get my programming fingers into the sensor data/code, I'm sure it would open up some possibilities. If the software was more open we could shut off sensors or hardcode values. Maybe some after market Tesla controller software is what's required.
Thank you for putting this in perspective, I was already put off by part costs alone. I guess I'm more into the idea of a far simpler EV than what is being produced. I don't want infotainment, nor do I want AC, just a means of defrosting the windows, the ability to go forward and backward, know how far I can go before I'm out of juice, all with the necessary bits to be safe on the road like lights and wipers.
I learned more today than I ever thought! As EV tech evolves, simple swap kits will become ubiquitous. I’ll never do it because I love the sounds, smell and mechanics of an ICE. Great video though!!
Fascinating video and I guessed it would be cost prohibitive. I had a friend back in the 19 80s (I am ex military) who converted his old MGBGT to run on an old FV432 starter motor and a bank of 24 volt FV432 batteries ( FV432 is a British APC). This was in Germany with BAOR and the guy was a REME officer (electrical andmechanical engineering regiment). He had lots of help from his squaddies, a nice little project and it ran extremely well and could travel a good 200 km plus, so it was fine for commuting. But, it was hardly safe (driving around with a load of tank lead acid batteries on board etc) and these guys were highly trained mechanical engineers. All these things sound easy, until you look at the detail. Again, great video!
your presentation style and content is top notch on the topic that makes me feel were already in the future but its up to individuals to progress it to results without corporations. keep it going.
Nothing better than being real. Great advice! Notwithstanding, I am looking at converting a 72 Karmann Ghia. Thinking along the lines of the 'crate motor' offerings from Ford and GM. The trick will be to find an adapter that mates to the VW IRS transaxle.
A 1980s Citroen CX or BX would work nicely. The brakes, steering and suspension are all hydraulic. Add a motor to drive the pump and it’s sorted. Standard engines were only around 150bhp so no need to go mad on the motors and batteries. The front end space is huge for some batteries and the fuel tank space accommodates some more.
LOL I love how you have 2 different things going on here- the video topic of the EV conversion of your Chevy and then the voice over reality check. Nice work and thanks for clearing things up for me and showing me that it likely won't cost me anywhere near the $10-15k I was hoping to spend on my 2006 Corolla for an EV conversion.
Me and my friends started looking at prices to convert a 1985 MR2 to electric, we immediately decided against it when we started adding up parts costs, before even factoring in all the fabrication and amenities integration
What about adding electric drive to one pair of wheels to supplement the existing drive system? Like a hybrid conversion? Would this be easier/ less expensive?
Awesome video, truly enlightened me on this. Always wanted to convert my 2011 Mitsubishi Galant into an all electric video but it would be cheaper/more economical just to buy a Tesla. Question, in the future, will conversions be cheaper, 10,15,20 years down the line??
This was very informative. Thanks. I am thinking about converting my 92 ford probe to electric. It would only need 150 miles of travel. Not a racer. No need for AC,heater,or power windows. Only remote lock and radio. The idea was making the probe the daily summer driver instead of the V8 truck that cost $50 every fill up.
toyota rav4 late 2000s has the electric power steering column. Works off electromagnets. Cool as hell lol. You turn the car on but not start it and you have power steering.
Great video Rich. This reminds me of the many conversations I've had with customer prospects that have tried to talk me into replacing their automatic transmission with a manual or vice versa. They almost always freak out about the price and try to convince me that it should be cheaper than just rebuilding the factory transmission for their car. I guess if you don't know what ASE Master Certified is, it doesn't count as proof of knowledge..
EV West have lots of drop-in VW conversion kits. I like their VW kits because they are designed to bolt in, no cutting, and someday (if you decide to swap stuff around, or switch to a different body) the original body is uncut and can be sold to another VW masochist, erm, enthusiast...
Great video summing up the challenges in EV conversions, hopefully this will allow people to go into this sort of thing with their eyes open. Is it weird that it was actually all these challenges that made me want to do a conversion😁
Great video and I could not agree 100% more. I did an EV conversion to a 30 foot cabin cruiser and I have constantly been how did it by people telling me to use Tesla batteries in Tesla Motors no matter how much I try to explain it's just not that easy. Especially if you're trying to do it on a budget! Ended up piecemealing EV parts from around the web and it works!! .. sort of haha
What about a 1977 16 foot sportsman caper conversion ( dodge B300 base double wheeler) ? I have that long drive shaft and I know some ebrake assist for semi trucks use a double ended motor in line directly on the drive shaft... and that idea bringed me that a hybrid version could easily be added for power demand as climbing hills and regenerative compression when doing downhill or braking saving on traditional brake system...
Rich I can’t tell you how much I enjoyed your video, so well done funny and so informative. I ran into your video looking for an old video that puts a used forklift battery in a Mazda truck wish you well thanks
Think about it. Overly simplified, custom fabricators can't match the price of mass producers. Teslas cost 70-100k mass produced, expect that or much more depending on how much custom fabrication you want.
Thanks Rich, I've been curious about e-conversions since watching the Teslhonda video. That thing is gnarly fast, but the guy never got too much into the gnitty gritty about putting it together. Now I feel like I get the gist of it, more or less.
I've never had an interest in converting a gas powered car to electric. But given all of the little things most people might overlook, like power steering, brakes, AC, lights, stereo, etc, an alternative would be to compromise and not go 100% electric. You could install a small engine to power all of that stuff which you would run while driving. And then any extra electricity generated, after powering all of that, could be used to charge the main battery cells. So, for example, you might use a motor from a common type backup AC generator, but convert it so it charges 12V DC. That may not work for charging the main batteries as I don't know what type of voltage is used on Tesla motors. But you get the idea! And the upside to this would be that you could get extra range because, you'd have that gas powered on board generator. How much extra would depend on the power output of the gas motor and the size of the fuel tank.
Your video is proof that too many people cannot do even the simple math. Sounds like a friend who once complained about drink prices being more expensive in a Disco than in a supermarket. I like your channel. Thank you very much !
There is an electric compressor available that basically is a plug in to the OEM belt driven compressor/air conditioning system on most cars. I haven't looked at them for a few years but I think it is closer to $1000 than to the several thousand you mentioned. Since it is pulling energy from from your drive batteries it will reduce range by something like 30% when running though.
EXCELLENT! Wisdom is most of all about being aware of what you still do not know. I am working on my own electric motorcycle project and have the extra problem of complex road legality rules here in Europe. Costwise the price of the batteries will however be the main problem. This whole electric revolution basically needs next generation battery technology, probably solid state. Not that anything you so rightly point out keeps me from going ahead but at the same time I am very realistic about my (low) chances of ending up with a road legal machine for decent money. At the moment I therefore take a very modular approach and am first concentrating on the pure motorcycle mechanics (frame, steering, suspension, braking, creature accomodation, aerodynamics). I have spent slightly over EU 600 on it and I am sure I can keep costs below EU 1.000 (aprox. US$ 1100) for the whole build as long as I do not start to buy the electrical bits. Then costs will suddenly skyrocket. A more practical solution might in the end be to buy an existing second hand electric motorcycle and upgrade that with as many parts of my own build as possible. Anyway: For now the journey is more important then the arrival.
I'm slowly planning an electric motorcycle build. I expect it to be A) Expensive and B) Not very good. In the mean time I ordered a real electric bike. Still, building one would be cool.
it doesn't have to be expensive, or crappy. the batteries are the expensive part. i built an ebike that goes 35mph for around $300, with half of that going into upgrades on the bicycle itself, and i didn't buy a kit. a 5-8kw motor is around $3-400, a good controller about the same. if you use recovered cells from laptops, even the batteries can be cheap. it just means more labor on your part. i've got an old yamaha frame in my garage i've been eyeing, and i think i can convert it into a real screamer for less than a grand. double that, and i can build one that will have acceleration that will scare the crap out of me. check out the 50kw supermoto build by bomb squad, here on you tube. it's over the top, scary fast and expensive, but will give you some ideas. hell, look at the bikes they throw together in india, and asia on a shoestring budget. my work boots cost more than some of them.
I really want to build an electric motorcycle - the more mad max the better 50 mile range would be plenty but I want it to accelerate like a liter bike or harder
@@PapaWheelie1 get you an enduro frame, cram a dc forklift motor and a 90v controller in it, shoehorn 90v, 50wh or so of lithium batteries on it, and presto! even furiosa will be checkin you out as you fly by in a blur. lol! good luck, i think you're gonna need it.
Thanks for this awesome informational video Rich! Could you please make an update video about how you've seen these costs change over the past 3 years and what it costs to do it now in 2023?
Always dreamed about converting my trusty old Volvo 965 to an EV. Just realized it's never gonna happen, except when i win the lottery. So basically never.
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"At this point you've decided neither one of your kids are going to college ." LMAOOOOOO
lol that line really lashed out at me too
These days, that is actually a sound decision. Maybe they will go to community college, get loans and pursue a trade cert or get apprentice.
Best comment I have read yet 😂😂😂😂🤣📖📖👍
@@timothynorman9170 i did the apprentice route, no debt collected and i earn the same as anyone who has been to university in my line of work so i agree with that
You've got to be a total moron to send your kids to college nowadays anyway. At least with buying a money pit car, it still gets you from A to B.
All colleges and universities do is kill your kids moral values.
My go to rule for DIY anything:
_It's going to take twice as long and cost twice as much as you think._
Take what you think it'll cost, Double it, and that's your lowball estimate.
Yup. For example, I'm building my second 3D printer and I already have used 220% of my expected budget..
More like
[(2T+2$)^2=cost]×infinity
You should practice with something "simple" like an LS Rx7 conversion😋
@@benjamn3618 so many variables, so few equations! 😭
Yeah I thought rebuilding the front end of my skylark would be about a month in a half instead 2 and a half and 2 extra grand because of a bunk sway bar
Before you spend 80k on an EV, consider ultralight aircraft, no speed limits, and cops can't pull you over anyway.
that depends on what you call 'ultralight' if you're talking US part 103, then there is indeed a speed limit (72mph I think?) :P Sorry, gotta be nitpicky for nitpicky sake sometimes.
Eh. I'd rather a kit-built LSA category aircraft.
But I'm in a different country, so I don't know. XD
I mean, those can be had for what would be the equivalent of about $20,000 US or less.
Sure you need a pilot's license first, which will set you back almost as much in it's own right.
But still...
Speed limit below 10,000 feet is 240 knots. (about 275 mph)
However, most small, cheap LSA category aircraft don't get much beyond 100 knots (maybe 110 to 130 if you've got a nice one, but those tend to be more towards the $200,000 price range.)
That's about 115 mph.
And yes, you can and will be doing that. In fact, it'd be unusual for an aircraft to be doing less than it's top speed except when trying to land or take off...
Of course, now you're restricted to operating from airports...
Also did I mention that your basic pilot's license only teaches VFR?
So... Don't expect to go anywhere in bad weather or poor visibility.
Or even just if it happens to be a cloudy day...
(Clouds are the mortal enemy of the VFR pilot. IFR pilots don't care about clouds, but to a VFR pilot they're way more dangerous than you would ever think a cloud could possibly be...)
@@DFX2KX It depends. Pilots license or not? Without a license you can top at 120mph only and fly days only below cloud lines. No airports with towers. With a license, you can fly any time and at night any airport you please can be landed at
@@DFX2KX they'd have a hard time tracking you down to issue a speeding ticket to an anonymous ultralight which doesn't require ID numbers etc...
And where do you land it when going to Kroger's?
So this video tells me whoever creates the first affordable and simple EV conversion kits for gas vehicles is going to be rich as hell.
EV west?
@@vogueisdeath2176 ever look at their prices? Just mid tier batteries are too expensive
I think the real issue is trying to deal with the specifics of adaptation. Basically you would need to find a way to build a mount system for an electric motor and sell pre-built electrical harnesses, wires. Etc. and systems to reuse as much of the original equipment as possible, and it'd have to be on a car by car basis. Options packages add a while new level to that
@@draven4464 I think the conversion could simply start with an electric motor in place of the engine and transmission and you don't worry about the regenerative braking. Modularize batteries like Lego bricks fitment for easy upgrade. Older large bodied cars will be easier as they have room to spare.
No, stick to the money leave the poor penny pencher to gas cars. Batteries at $1000 per kwh are going to cost 10000 no matter what for decent range. Imagine it's zero in gas ever again. You need to pay for 15 yrs of gas upfront. It costs 30k to restore any classic lol you make way more money that way
This video title should be "Uncle Rich talks me out of converting my 350z to electric"
The black guy with the fat white wife. Stopped me from converting my $375 2001 Deville, I bought from a police impound to electric.
@@eVOLUC I have a boyfriend. Do you want to see him?
or simply ... some of your questions answered / advertising for our garage... but found it very helpful just not too much interesting like the older videos. but still nice to watch the whole way threw .
It should be titled, Stick to Internal Combustion.
It should be titled, buy a base tesla model 3
As someone who helped a friend do a 318i conversion to electrical, this video needs to be seen by ANYONE even dreaming of doing a conversion. it sounds simple on paper but getting into the nitty gritty is very expensive and time consuming.
Good luck with the model A
I had an 316 e46 with brocken rod bearrings and a worn out vvt, i thought about a conversion...
I dropped that idea after one Saturday of Research.. I knew it would not be cheap but the numbers you get are insane, when you want it on the road here in Germany...
This is why you pay a legit shop to do it, so you can go to sleep.
Nah who needs sleep?
A shop might be an option for some people but not for me and not in Germany, the rules to get a car street legal are insane. And I also like to be in my shed and fiddle with cars, so paying for the fun part will never be an option :)
@@michihoffi69 everyone not capable of doing such work. Hell id say most aren't. That's why if u got the money be nice to pay for it.
@@sh0cktim3 It's to find a shop just to completely rebuild an old car much less finding one to convert to electric.
In this episode Rich smashes our dreams of a VW bus, 911, or 57 Chevy truck to EV with , with facts.
Give it a couple years...
Well no, he didn't. He killed dreams of a VW bus with a 90 CD changer, 5 screens, and a bunch of other shit you don't need on top of an already expensive car. Fucking dumb. If you want to make your own tesla on top of an already manufactured car that at this point isn't really a car due to all of the manufacturer specific nonsense and then tried to make a Tesla from parts. Anyone that puts together old toys, cars, guitars etc will tell you putting a thing together as that thing is always more expensive than just buying the whole thing. Lots of ways around this price that if you were sane and not a fast and furious hype beast turd would cut thousands off that price. Batteries etc are gonna cost you but $200+ miles range? Maybe 20k aint bad. How far can most peoples gas cars make it before needing to fill up again? lol. Don't try and make your own Tesla kids, make your own electric car.....without cameras and monitors all over it. The fuck do you need screens for in a car again?
Not really, those conversions can still make sense. You own these classic cars because you love them, don't you? And spending money on something you love can sometimes be justified. I would love to have an old VW type 2 and to electrify it. This even if it would be far far cheaper to just buy the gas as needed for the few miles these classics normally run.
HoorayTV21 Yours is the most real comment I’ve ever read
Volkswagen company is releasing electric Volkswagen bus. This comment didn’t age well.
"The trunk wouldn't open because the car didn't know what gear he was in."
And THIS is why I hate modern cars.
Wait... That's a thing?
@Robert Slackware you're thinking about it backwards. The vehicle wouldn't electronically unlock the trunk for outside access, because it couldn't tell if the vehicle was safely in park, or in reverse or neutral, putting in danger someone standing behind the vehicle.
Trunks do indeed have manual emergency releases inside.
Still surprised this is actually a thing though.
The tech in new cars is getting ridiculous. It makes me want to go back to the classics...
@Robert Slackware lol, that mental image is priceless.
If new technology it's so complicated, we should go back to free energy horse riding! Transportation, right?
This makes the $35k Model 3 look like a killer deal.
Because it is.
If you can buy one and it is actually $35K. Good Luck.🤣
You can't compare buying a mass produced car to making a custom 1 off. The 1 off will always cost more.
It's not $35,000 it's at least $40,000, don't lie
@@eksine You can request the $35k car through phone or at a service center even tht it's not listed on the website.
I work for a company and we convert gas and diesel buses to electric and have been through dozens of versions , it can be hell to do
Maxwell Rock are the electric buses faster?
name the company already
The Brown RAT awe
The Brown RAT ohh okay
@@jasenrock :O
Could you do a video on the more ghetto EV swaps that people do with a cheap car and forklift motors?
No fucking way 🤣
yes, thats coming!
These are my favorite. He should fly to NZ and do a calab w Gavin, KiwiEV!
Yeah, I came here after seeing $2,300 conversion kits for old VW bugs, which aren't much more and thought, "$5,000 for a dyi EV? Iiiiiiinteresting..."
When this coming? You'll get a new follower The Day that video comes out!
"How fat is my wife?" LMAO!
Very informative video. Thank you!
“Probably not me, this is for smart people and stuff”
Lol!
Jeodude, don’t underestimate your capabilities. Speak good things concerning your abilities. 🙏
BlueDrive Diagnostics 9:45 mark
That's a good one 👍
@@TradeAlgoPremier - He was Quoting the Reference in the Video, about Controlling the Robo Race Cars, through "AI Learning Systems!"
Im converting tesla to an LS swap
FWD would be easier....just sayin
@@greynolds17 sideways LS
Northstar driveline
@@philtmonx1446 NO! Worst piece of shit GM EVER Produced!
The LS was in several different FWD platforms.... it's physically a smaller engine also.
Buick regal engine
Great analysis and brought me back to my senses. I was thinking of converting my mountain bike to electric and when comparing upgrading my bike to a brand new much better e-bike with better components, battery/warranty, I bought the new bike and saved around $300 compared to the cost of upgrading my bike. And, with the new bike everything worked great, better brakes, etc. and I was riding it instead of screwing with a retrofit, risking battery fires and all the time. Your analysis is right on, it will be a used model S next for me.
You’re inspiring, Rich! As an IT guy with little hands-on automotive experience, this stuff makes me more confident in eventually taking on my own EV conversion.
Uncle Rich speaks-
:Taking notes Intensifies:
Quality Rambling.
I’ve done many engine swaps and converting to electric has some of the same problems. Keep these things in mind - The car you build will have little to no resale value, something will rattle loose regularly, some connection will give you continuous problems, the parts are not engineered to work together and the conversion is not engineered so something will be off (power/handling/comfort/usability/safety/reliability), don’t think you are going to use a pieced together conversion car as a primary driver - you must have a real car to use when your conversion car constantly breaks, and it won’t be as cool in reality as it is in your mind. For all the trouble building a really nice stock original gasoline engine for your classic is probably a far better choice and then you get that resale back. Imagine investing $60k into a classic Porsche and getting all of your money back when you sell it so you can then buy the next fun car rather than throw all that money away.
Engineers are overrated ... You can do anything you put your mind to.
You sir are a pessimistic mind. Not an engineer I’m assuming?
I mean, he's not wrong. First rule of car modding is that you'll never truly get what you want out of selling it if you build it to your style and liking. That's why classic cars with all original parts can get millions after restoration. They are something that was massed produced and people with the money buy them for life memories or because the value will only increase. Tuner cars and anything you will diy to electric are gonna be in your style and taste. No one will pay everything you put into it. If you want that, just go buy a telsa or other electric car and keep it pristine until you're ready to let it go. Anyone can literally do anything they put your mind to, but unless you go into production, it's simply something you're doing for yourself.
@@McMukMuk That mindset is changing a bit though as the younger generations discover these old cars. Believe me when I say they have no qualms about stuffing whatever powertrain they feel like in there, and yes sometimes those cars are in amazing original condition. If/when prices come down on these EV parts you are going to see more rather than less of them regardless of any sell-on value. Having said that, resto-mod's at auction are doing quite well and I have to think that the 'mod' in Resto-mod will one day be EV.
Damn.... Used leaf never looked so good! Plus I hear a company in Europe will start selling 38kilowat battery for the 1st gen leaf!
Lucjan Wilczek true that - but try to buy 2014 or newer Leaf -
badchefi
Actually it’s 2013+
badchefi
Oops, it depends.
If you want to drive a leaf, get a 2013+.
But if you want to use it for parts, the older ones are better because less integrated. 2010-12
When are they gonna start selling it, who are they, and in which part of Europe?
Dude hook us up
Moral of the story....buy a nice used Tesla and save yourself $20-$40K
or use up that combustion engine for a while :)
or buy something like ls430, a freaking house on the wheels! ..for $6-10k and enjoy the ride forever.
@@bullet_tooth_tony cool car, but in some countries putting a car like that on the road will easily cost thousands of euros (basically in Italy).
or buy a nice looking vehicle that has a blown motor and transmission for 2k to 3k and start off on the right foot.
@@DeerKoden Don't live in a shitty country then. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Come on Rich! When are you going to convert a Tesla to gas power???
Well, if he goes that path, then completely: Coal powered steamer 😙🎶
I'm afraid that could get you stabbed
haha agreed, that would be a sick show car. Like a big v8 or something like that xD
Ha ha, that'll get Elon musk wound up 😂
Well, he does have a nice Chevy 305 going spare......
Can't be the only one that was puzzle here...
Cut the whole interior panel to get access to two bolts behind the gas...
Really? Why not cut the two straps from the back instead? It's not like you will need them anyways without a fuel tank there.
Doesn't look like it'll fit out the back.
It didn't get welded in there, that's for sure. Drop the frame or lift the body. Those sparks near the tank amlost gave me a heart attack
It makes for an interesting vid but it was a completely ignorant way of going about it. Pulling the body off isn't difficult whatsoever. Poor ole thing didn't deserve that sort of butchery
Great vid. I helped a buddy build a EV VW using some kit he got online and you covered a bunch of the big talking points that often come up when people ask about jobs like that. I hope as battery tech moves forward we will see smaller and lighter units that will help with some of the issues.
70k at that point might as well buy a fully loaded model 3 or a used model s
Yes!...I Agree!...like the Tesla Model 3 Performance!...I am Just Saying!...God Bless!
And therein lies the point of this entire video?
Yeah. Or I can swap my dinky civic and actually makes something bad ass out of a normally slow car. I think it would be easier to convert it to rwd too, if more expensive
But what if you don't want a Tesla? I think the point isn't the power, but the conversion of a car they already like/love..
Long Story short, buy a used S or X or even a new 3 and you can go to a big Vacation with the Rest.
El One Mac Bong Nice if you have that kind of scratch laying about.
Looked into conversions years ago and found similar results. Thanks for both upper and lower end examples!
Thank you for this video. This just reminded me when I got schooled on how doing an LS swap on a 72 C10 will cost way way way more than the 1000 dollars or so that you would spend on a junkyard engine.
Excellent video. It just goes to show that any car mods or restoration follow the same mantra, "You'll never get out what you put in to it." It is a labor of love, but not impossible.
I spent years dreaming of converting my Miata - until every time I did the math.
Lease return EVs cannot be beat.
I was looking into to doing this right now only in early stages of research what were the main problems with doing this did u have an estimate price you ended up with at all this would be my first project car
Hey I remember my old 56 Chevy I could not push the clutch in and just turn the key and the starter motor would make the car move, that's just like an electric car but in slow motion : )
you don't need to do a ton to have some fun, especially with an MX5 .. and you can carry Gas in a can.
Converting a Miata would defeat the whole purpose of the car anyway. It's supposed to be a lightweight sports car that handles well, and batteries are very heavy.
@@DobroPlayer12 While that is true, I think you are ignoring that an easy compromise technically to preserve all of that is range. Even with a gas range extender onboard, the early BMW i3 is under 2900 lbs. 80 miles of range is what you get for the generator-free version at 2635 lbs.
The Chevy 305 being the Kix cereal of the engine world was pure comedy gold 😂
In back to future 2 a hover conversion costs 40k. In 2019 just to convert to EV cost twice that! SMH 🤦♂️. I love your videos and content👍👏.
Well that was the 2015 price range. In reality the Hover conversions never really caught on and never worked.
Rich, I could not have said it better. I've been building/driving ev's since the 90's. All DC. I can't believe people think it is so simple to remove the ICE and transfer all the complicated and proprietary electronics from a donor Leaf/Tesla; and in the same breath say they know anything about electricity. I tell newbies buy a DC non running conversion for cheap, learn from it and get it running; then think about building a 'Tesla' race car. Maybe in the future someone will offer rolling ev 'skateboards' for body swaps. Only time will tell.
Well said Sam!
Isn't Rivian planning to do something, somewhat, kinda like what you said in your last sentence; offering skateboards to anyone to do whatever?
Edit: Atlis, not Rivian.
I'm actually working on making a cheaper electric drive system that'll also be far easier for converting cars and having all the accessories work :)
@@garystorm799 working on it
@@calebharris292 I'm going to hazard a guess and say... DC Forklift-style motor with already-mounted controller and a selection of pre-made adapter plates for different makes/models? I mean, just a mass produced adapter plate selection for common engines would make it an intriguing option with some of the perfect-body-but-doesn't-start cars I see around here.
Really interesting sponsor! Thanks for uploading, Rich.
I love the way you explain the reality!
I wanted to build up a 1920's era pickup truck and convert it to a Tesla build but I too estimated upwards of $35,000 even if I scored on some parts.
I ended up buying a 2015 Smart fortwo Electric Drive and tricked it out! I just wish it had more range...
I've ridden in Sam's Audi. It's amazing. Got me seriously thinking of trying to do a conversion too. One thing that makes it easier is that Sam used an open source controller and ditched the Tesla ECU. Do that and you don't need half as much of the original Tesla components (No Infotainment system on which to play MarioKart)..
Good episode thanks! Just back from Fully Charged Live at Silverstone. Some amazing conversions there and yes....all of them were on older cars, incl an XJ-S and Ferrari 308.
And that Delorean was sweeeeet!
That was absolutely fascinating! Thank you!
I've redone the math every few years on conversions in general, and boy have things changed.
When my mom did her 1979 VW Rabbit conversion in 1993, it was the Rabbit, Beetle, Ghia, the occasional Type 2, and a few (mechanically similar) Porsches.
The car still runs with the stock manual transmission, no power steering, electric vacuum pump for the brake booster, minimal instrumentation, and at the time, a homemade battery charger. Conversion cost to make a diesel Rabbit run for 50 miles on lead-acid batteries was around $5000 in 1992.
Since then, the radio and battery charger have been upgraded, and we finally added a heater last year.
And here I am listening to Rich run through the cost of CANbus integration of airbags and infotainment systems, and feeling like the old guy saying "back in my day"...
Rich, you're the best. Keep up the awesome work!
TIMESTAMPS: (COST)
0:39 Questions you want to ask yourself before walking into an EV conversion shop
PROJECT #1:
2:02 Audi S5
3:43 Add-on motor/batteries
4:30 Fabrication/misc
7:32 AC/CANBUS + Labor
PROJECT #2:
10:55 1972 VW Beetle
11:49 Motor
12:14 DC-DC converter/batteries/BMS/misc (DIY)
12:46 + Labor (no fabrication)
Tbh I would buy that 305 but to far away😭
Isn't it a 307??
Same here
greenhometony no, the 307 has a thin balancer, this has the thick balancer to offset the 3.48 crank throw mass.
Uncle Rich you haven't answered the question about your Mrs... 😁
Are you kidding life is short amp much shorter with a pissed women
This is going to be a running gag isn't it? How is Rich going to get out if this one, while also working on his full time job?
I have the answer, she's PHAT! Only the best for Tio Rich
I saw the legs of his wife in one of the videos and she's skinny as hell. probably a hottie
The cost breakdown is really mind blowing. Thanks, man - love your channel wholeheartedly.
7:32 "So, at this point, you decided neither one of your kids are going to college..."😂🤣😂😭😭😭
Wow Rich solid advice & highly informative cheers!
And this is why you do..
-classic car, Corvette C3 in my case
-chevy volt batteries, lots of power but only like 130 miles of range which is fine (4 grand)
-model 3 motor, powerful but still efficient, and they'll get cheap soon because they'll be everywhere (5 grand)
-one of those $3000 all in one motor controllers that interfaces with the Tesla inverter manages almost everything
-mount batteries in the engine bay and gas tank location, mount the motor like a rear diff, no transmission, minimal fabrication
-belt fed power steering that's only really on at low speeds
-fast charger setup! Chademo because it's much easier to implement
-probabky skip a/c at first
Should be 15 to 20k, minus the donor car
Things like "soon" and "should" are not something I would suggest anyone to base their future plans on :)
Add labor cost and you are also back at 30k or more - that gives you 150-200mile working used EV that has more features and is safe to use :)
@@gelisob
I'd be doing the swap myself of course. Not that I don't trust a shop, it's just that it's much more satisfying that way. Of course, it'll take 6 months to a year , which I'm expecting.
Thank you finally an honest assessment of an EV conversion. I help my friend convert his 1970 vw van. First off he is an electrical engineer and had spent the previous year planing his power train. It took a lot of work to get it done and still took a good 90 days of him working out all the problem after it was complete. After he did a second one he worked out a bunch of procedures and parts to do vw van conversion. Even after he got that business up and working he sold it because he could never figure out away to make economical for the average customer. The last time we spoke he was working with another engineer on the feasibility of running the shop out of Mexico converting vans.
For everyone crying over the last year, I built a $2800 EV here! - th-cam.com/video/eRnFzklXi4o/w-d-xo.html
The truth is hard, but yep, it's expensive, and the worst part... it won't get any cheaper, most componets you need, are already in the market. some for like 30 years (controlers, pwm, inverters, chargers, etc) and the quality ones, don't go down on price, batteries, for 10 years they don't lower the price. EV's are cool, yes, but I would need, alone, two cars... Nice video Rich!
You just pissed in everyones cereal this morn.... lol. That RoboRace stuff is friggen awesome. Gonna do some research
Thanks for taking the time, excellent video
I really enjoyed this video. Also, I really appreciated this video. It's honest, and entertaining. That's rare on the internet. Strong work @Rich Rebuilds.
Thanks rich for acknowledging the Nissan Leaf ! And I do have the range to get to all the faster chargers in my city.
Thanks, Rich, for once again disillusioning me about electric cars! But I mean that in the most positive way possible: This video was, as usual, highly informative and I do like the budget breakdown of the cost of needed components and labor. You just cured me of wanting to convert my minivan to electric lol
Superb video Rich! A lot of concrete information to work with. It's good to know that an EV conversion is an expensive mountain to climb. If I could get my programming fingers into the sensor data/code, I'm sure it would open up some possibilities. If the software was more open we could shut off sensors or hardcode values. Maybe some after market Tesla controller software is what's required.
Thank you for putting this in perspective, I was already put off by part costs alone. I guess I'm more into the idea of a far simpler EV than what is being produced. I don't want infotainment, nor do I want AC, just a means of defrosting the windows, the ability to go forward and backward, know how far I can go before I'm out of juice, all with the necessary bits to be safe on the road like lights and wipers.
I learned more today than I ever thought! As EV tech evolves, simple swap kits will become ubiquitous. I’ll never do it because I love the sounds, smell and mechanics of an ICE. Great video though!!
exactly, I've been following this type of electric-car-conversion for 20 years and that's been the basic situation.
Fascinating video and I guessed it would be cost prohibitive. I had a friend back in the 19 80s (I am ex military) who converted his old MGBGT to run on an old FV432 starter motor and a bank of 24 volt FV432 batteries ( FV432 is a British APC). This was in Germany with BAOR and the guy was a REME officer (electrical andmechanical engineering regiment). He had lots of help from his squaddies, a nice little project and it ran extremely well and could travel a good 200 km plus, so it was fine for commuting. But, it was hardly safe (driving around with a load of tank lead acid batteries on board etc) and these guys were highly trained mechanical engineers. All these things sound easy, until you look at the detail. Again, great video!
your presentation style and content is top notch on the topic that makes me feel were already in the future but its up to individuals to progress it to results without corporations. keep it going.
After watching the whole video I realized how more ingenious than I thought Sam is. And I already thought he was pretty genius before.
Well done Rich, many people think it's way cheaper to convert to ev. This is a great reality check for some.
Nothing better than being real. Great advice! Notwithstanding, I am looking at converting a 72 Karmann Ghia. Thinking along the lines of the 'crate motor' offerings from Ford and GM. The trick will be to find an adapter that mates to the VW IRS transaxle.
A 1980s Citroen CX or BX would work nicely. The brakes, steering and suspension are all hydraulic. Add a motor to drive the pump and it’s sorted. Standard engines were only around 150bhp so no need to go mad on the motors and batteries. The front end space is huge for some batteries and the fuel tank space accommodates some more.
Yo rich I'm 18 and I just wanted to say how much I fucking love your videos. I can't wait to own an electric car!
Watch your mouth young man. Lol! Jk
Yo, dude, wrong site post. There's no fucking in these videos. Close your other browser tabs, 18 y/o.
Well you’ll be waiting for a long time
"Probably not me - this is for smart people and stuff" hehe
LOL I love how you have 2 different things going on here- the video topic of the EV conversion of your Chevy and then the voice over reality check. Nice work and thanks for clearing things up for me and showing me that it likely won't cost me anywhere near the $10-15k I was hoping to spend on my 2006 Corolla for an EV conversion.
Me and my friends started looking at prices to convert a 1985 MR2 to electric, we immediately decided against it when we started adding up parts costs, before even factoring in all the fabrication and amenities integration
Buy an electric fork lift and salvage all the parts you need from it
I work on these things all day they rip. Each battery weighs from 3000 lbs to 6000 lbs. Great for a yard truck
@@e36blur holy shit.. that is a ton of weight
What about adding electric drive to one pair of wheels to supplement the existing drive system? Like a hybrid conversion? Would this be easier/ less expensive?
Salvador Magallon no, unless you drop a whole Prius unit in there.
Awesome video, truly enlightened me on this. Always wanted to convert my 2011 Mitsubishi Galant into an all electric video but it would be cheaper/more economical just to buy a Tesla. Question, in the future, will conversions be cheaper, 10,15,20 years down the line??
This was very informative. Thanks. I am thinking about converting my 92 ford probe to electric. It would only need 150 miles of travel. Not a racer. No need for AC,heater,or power windows. Only remote lock and radio. The idea was making the probe the daily summer driver instead of the V8 truck that cost $50 every fill up.
If you want a Tesla powered Audi it's called the e-tron and you'll need $80k.
toyota rav4 late 2000s has the electric power steering column. Works off electromagnets. Cool as hell lol. You turn the car on but not start it and you have power steering.
You mean it has a motor? lol, that's like saying a petrol engine works off sparks. I mean you're kinda right but come on lol
Great video Rich. This reminds me of the many conversations I've had with customer prospects that have tried to talk me into replacing their automatic transmission with a manual or vice versa. They almost always freak out about the price and try to convince me that it should be cheaper than just rebuilding the factory transmission for their car. I guess if you don't know what ASE Master Certified is, it doesn't count as proof of knowledge..
Thanks, Rich, for the words of wisdom. Many of us have the dream of a cool e-car but need a reality check.
30K for conversion while you can get used tesla 3 for less money. madness.
Where proof??
Some body makes kits to convert old VW . I have been looking to do an old Ford Ranger pick up . You could hide lots of batteries under the bed .
EV West have lots of drop-in VW conversion kits. I like their VW kits because they are designed to bolt in, no cutting, and someday (if you decide to swap stuff around, or switch to a different body) the original body is uncut and can be sold to another VW masochist, erm, enthusiast...
They had Ford Ranger EVs in 1999.
Great video summing up the challenges in EV conversions, hopefully this will allow people to go into this sort of thing with their eyes open. Is it weird that it was actually all these challenges that made me want to do a conversion😁
Great video and I could not agree 100% more. I did an EV conversion to a 30 foot cabin cruiser and I have constantly been how did it by people telling me to use Tesla batteries in Tesla Motors no matter how much I try to explain it's just not that easy. Especially if you're trying to do it on a budget! Ended up piecemealing EV parts from around the web and it works!! ..
sort of haha
Still haven't scared me from wanting to convert my Yugo. Dont need the best or fastest or much range.
Joshua Upham That is such a lunatic project-I support it fully!
Is rich low key jealous of other’s conversions? But in all honestly you make good points
What about a 1977 16 foot sportsman caper conversion ( dodge B300 base double wheeler) ?
I have that long drive shaft and I know some ebrake assist for semi trucks use a double ended motor in line directly on the drive shaft... and that idea bringed me that a hybrid version could easily be added for power demand as climbing hills and regenerative compression when doing downhill or braking saving on traditional brake system...
Rich I can’t tell you how much I enjoyed your video, so well done funny and so informative. I ran into your video looking for an old video that puts a used forklift battery in a Mazda truck wish you well thanks
Think about it. Overly simplified, custom fabricators can't match the price of mass producers. Teslas cost 70-100k mass produced, expect that or much more depending on how much custom fabrication you want.
But then the Tesla will need servicing. Then the cost goes up.
The $35400 Model 3SR is a real thing.
@@user-hc9qv9yb9m Name one car that doesn't need servicing.
then there is ove-engineering.
DC is the simplest, though not the most efficient. some DC EVs are setting records.
For the love of God! buy a socket set you mad man!
Right? Uses wrenches for almost everything, and then an impact in the end?
He blew his socket budget on the EV swap
Thanks Rich, I've been curious about e-conversions since watching the Teslhonda video. That thing is gnarly fast, but the guy never got too much into the gnitty gritty about putting it together. Now I feel like I get the gist of it, more or less.
I've never had an interest in converting a gas powered car to electric. But given all of the little things most people might overlook, like power steering, brakes, AC, lights, stereo, etc, an alternative would be to compromise and not go 100% electric. You could install a small engine to power all of that stuff which you would run while driving. And then any extra electricity generated, after powering all of that, could be used to charge the main battery cells. So, for example, you might use a motor from a common type backup AC generator, but convert it so it charges 12V DC. That may not work for charging the main batteries as I don't know what type of voltage is used on Tesla motors. But you get the idea! And the upside to this would be that you could get extra range because, you'd have that gas powered on board generator. How much extra would depend on the power output of the gas motor and the size of the fuel tank.
I'm not sick of you rambling on Rich. I really enjoyed the video.
Your video is proof that too many people cannot do even the simple math. Sounds like a friend who once complained about drink prices being more expensive in a Disco than in a supermarket. I like your channel. Thank you very much !
"disco"
There is an electric compressor available that basically is a plug in to the OEM belt driven compressor/air conditioning system on most cars. I haven't looked at them for a few years but I think it is closer to $1000 than to the several thousand you mentioned. Since it is pulling energy from from your drive batteries it will reduce range by something like 30% when running though.
EXCELLENT! Wisdom is most of all about being aware of what you still do not know. I am working on my own electric motorcycle project and have the extra problem of complex road legality rules here in Europe. Costwise the price of the batteries will however be the main problem. This whole electric revolution basically needs next generation battery technology, probably solid state. Not that anything you so rightly point out keeps me from going ahead but at the same time I am very realistic about my (low) chances of ending up with a road legal machine for decent money. At the moment I therefore take a very modular approach and am first concentrating on the pure motorcycle mechanics (frame, steering, suspension, braking, creature accomodation, aerodynamics). I have spent slightly over EU 600 on it and I am sure I can keep costs below EU 1.000 (aprox. US$ 1100) for the whole build as long as I do not start to buy the electrical bits. Then costs will suddenly skyrocket. A more practical solution might in the end be to buy an existing second hand electric motorcycle and upgrade that with as many parts of my own build as possible. Anyway: For now the journey is more important then the arrival.
3:38 So that's how Optimum Nutrition's pre-workout is made.
I'm slowly planning an electric motorcycle build. I expect it to be A) Expensive and B) Not very good.
In the mean time I ordered a real electric bike. Still, building one would be cool.
it doesn't have to be expensive, or crappy. the batteries are the expensive part. i built an ebike that goes 35mph for around $300, with half of that going into upgrades on the bicycle itself, and i didn't buy a kit. a 5-8kw motor is around $3-400, a good controller about the same. if you use recovered cells from laptops, even the batteries can be cheap. it just means more labor on your part. i've got an old yamaha frame in my garage i've been eyeing, and i think i can convert it into a real screamer for less than a grand. double that, and i can build one that will have acceleration that will scare the crap out of me. check out the 50kw supermoto build by bomb squad, here on you tube. it's over the top, scary fast and expensive, but will give you some ideas. hell, look at the bikes they throw together in india, and asia on a shoestring budget. my work boots cost more than some of them.
I really want to build an electric motorcycle - the more mad max the better
50 mile range would be plenty but I want it to accelerate like a liter bike or harder
@@PapaWheelie1 get you an enduro frame, cram a dc forklift motor and a 90v controller in it, shoehorn 90v, 50wh or so of lithium batteries on it, and presto! even furiosa will be checkin you out as you fly by in a blur. lol! good luck, i think you're gonna need it.
I've looked at doing this several times. It just doesn't make sense financially.
Sideslip - yeah a beat up stunt bike can be had for $1500 all day or less
Thanks for this awesome informational video Rich! Could you please make an update video about how you've seen these costs change over the past 3 years and what it costs to do it now in 2023?
I really like the video content, did want to ask, have you done or made content on adding electric componets to a gas engine/ hybrid tech?
It's funny I don't want or even particularly like EV's, yet I find Rich's videos very interesting and watchable. Go figure.
Rich is a good honest guy
Always dreamed about converting my trusty old Volvo 965 to an EV.
Just realized it's never gonna happen, except when i win the lottery.
So basically never.
Volvo is going to focus on making EV's in the future so there might be hope for you
This explains so much. I was shocked when I saw a conversion that cost $90K. Great in depth vid.
This was very helpful. Especially the VW Bug example at the end. Great vids, thank you!