Installing A Tesla Motor In An Old Jaguar
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.พ. 2021
- Installing the Tesla motor didn't need to be the first step in this project, but why not. I go over the frame modifications needed to get the Tesla Model 3 rear subframe and drive unit installed in the back of the 1950 Jaguar Mark V.
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Good thing you did all that scanning and CAD so you didn't have to grind and cut to fit as it was slowly lifted into place! 😂
'cutted 3 times and still too short'....
That's how it would have been done in the factory
Story of my life. Spend forever carefully planning and measuring, and end up just winding it 😂
Grind? 3 lb sledge and tappy tap tap.
It just slipped right in.
Your method for quickly converting C channel into N and U channel is life changing. Thank you! 🤣
This is awesomely interesting, superbly edited and beautifully narrated.
AND entertainingly funny.
Might I add I love what You did with the Honda.
Still think keeping the high roof will look more aloof and mysterious than going for a chop
Yes plz don’t chop it!
Great stuff! Fills the time between Project Binky updates.
you are doing all of the projects I have ever wanted to do. bike motor in a small car, Grom motor swap, and now a Tesla powered old car.
Awesome content! Love the care-free, but logical engineering approach with the humor sprinkled throughout. I am definitely interested in how you used the Intel RealSense LiDAR as a 3D-scanner!
Love the project, attitude, and fabrication skills. Can't wait to see how it progresses :)
Thanks for letting me hang out in your garage while you do your build. Jags seem to always have the coolest body design.
The amount of faceslapping to Tesla is amazing ty! :)
Cad ... with no cardboard?
Witchcraft.
Love the way you explain all the things that could possibly go wrong. It just makes the story better than cutting it out. Keep it interesting for your viewers for sure. Once you get the major project completed you have to content with the rest ,which I'm sure will be just as interesting to follow .
I just love your kind of humor! I can't wait to see the finished product.
Fortunately I have learned from my compatriot, the comedian Ismo (Leikola), that big ass metal plate (8:04) means just big metal plate. Otherwise I, being a Finn, would be confused. 😂
I would love to see more fabrication in this series.
Good to see a auto artist at work. I think EV kits for classics will be big business.
Agreed. It will take some time for all the haters to die out, but just like with fuel injection and automatic transmissions, eventually that will be what people want. It’s one thing to EV swap a rare classic, but some models had literally hundreds of thousands, even millions made. Those are great candidates for EV swaps. Imagine getting into a classic car, and having it start up and drive instantly, also instant torque.
I do wonder about fast charging though. I do wish Superfast Matt would touch on this, other than his reasoning why he won’t use a supercharger on the jag. There are thermal runaway fears, as fast charging does heat up these things quite a bit, and there’s not a good way to precondition the batteries. Enthusiasts want to be able to drive the cars long range to meets and events, and if they can only go 200 miles before being stuck with level 1 or level 2 charging well, now they’re stuck charging for a day. Cars are meant to be driven, not trailer queens.
The tesla wheels are shockingly good on this. Way better than on a tesla lol
Yeah I was startled at how stupid it was that they looked so good too.
This is an awesome build unlike anything else on youtube! I am super excited for more! I like CAD portions also, i havent seen anyone on youtube use a scanner like thid
In a few months: "The car we're featuring today, here on Jay Leno's garage, is a Jaguar, but not just any Jaguar, no...
Really awesome video, I love your humor and explanations! I hope you go into real detail on how to control and wire the motor and the overall wiring of you car. Nice job, keep it up!
This is my favorite channel.
:)
No, this is MY favourite channel.
@@bernibeckmann9753 - something my 3 year old would say.
@@Autobotsunited your non gender specific 3yr. old has a bright future judging by his/her potential utterances
@@bernibeckmann9753 thank you
7:35 Matt, I think you can just clean inside very well, spray it with weld-through zinc primer and weld it. Then make some drain and access holes, paint it from the inside using a hose spray. Then on top of that spray some rust inhibiting oily coat in there and it will be sweet. Actually in California you can probably leave it bare metal and it will be fine :)
I kinda agree , could be better weld it up & spray with dinitrol cavity wax ( is the best one I know so far, foams up as it goes in & spreads ).through small holes. In the UK we have both salt on the roads & the need to get the car re-registered & inspected if you cut the frame.
@@brackcycle9056 yeah, I know the pain of strict regulations too. Americans have it so good (in this aspect)
I'm not sure if this is intentional but you remind me of Alton Brown in a very good way! This project is teaching me a much about electric cars which is undoubtedly what all future cars will be. So this is like a free earlier education!
Thank you!
your right to be cautious about how much in reverse testing manufacturers do . Turns out citroen did not test the 2CV above 10mph in reverse -because if you exceeded this for any distance a gear would unwind from the shaft seizing the box permanently solid. - as i found out to my cost.
yikes! Time to swap in a literbike engine and transmission ;)
Love the commentary on your vids...keep us up to date on the build...
I'm hooked. My new favourite channel. Keep em' coming.
Love the humour. earned a subscription. Love jags. never heard of the Mark 5. Will be awesome car. all hail the algorhythmn.
Great content, right now binge watching all videos 👍🏼
Tremendously entertaining as well as interesting.
Realy realy like your sens of humour! And nice fit!
excellent work so far!
Amazing work and great information, Thank You
Rust coloured snot 😄 classic!!! Good job mate! Love your work
WOW! Just found this channel today! Cool project! :)
Great video mate. Nothing is ever straight forward: awesome project!
I always have so much fun watching your videos. It's awesome. Keep this going. Hope we can build something together someday.
Very well done. This exactly how swaps go, not mentioned nearly enough. The reason why many projects are abandoned.
Rust colored snot... ah yes... I can relate - I once painted up a bunch of large rc car bodies with a friend, and we didn't have any good filler paint so we just used some random enamel paint he had, that was ... beep blue... I was somewhat worried about the color of my boogers a couple days later when that evenings festivities were forgotten. And then he mentioned it a few days later and we both realized... male bonding at it's finest, what's the value of a blue booger between friends?
Fun project. I like your style. Subscribed.
I'm currently starting a Jaguar MK2 tesla conversion and was thinking "why not just use the tesla subframe"....aaaaaaaand then I found you thought the same, but first, as in before me, as in yay i'm not the only crazy guy out there. Good work buddy.
You probably got the rear alignment down better than Tesla on the 3 , sceeeewwwiifffy
I’m subscribed and watching intently. Can’t wait to see how this shakes out. I have a Land Rover 1964 series 2a that I’ve been thinking about putting an LS in, but the EV conversion has always been on my mind. Hopefully I can learn from your experience
Dude!, yes! This rocks!
This is an Amazing project! I'll say this about Teslas, they are very definitely quiet. Tesla drivers seem to be even more oblivious to traffic hazards and pedestrians than usual. Crossing a street at a corner is THE most dangerous place for pedestrians. Tie a BELL to that s***!
This is so sick!
Great! I really liked you notice Jaguar have not used computer, so you dont do either.
I can't believe all the obvious misses by the Tesla engineering team! How did they not see this use case?
It's like they're not even trying.
I'd close all those new frame members with welding.You can leave a few acces holes with stengthened rims for rustproofing.
The WTF moment was perfect. Some time later... Another great video Matt.
not a electric car fan but in saying that building one would definitely be fun
You have just opened up the door for of us older classical car enthusiast, solve the fuel problem))
Can’t wait till you find that guy who knows it all. My fabricobbling could definitely do with a few chats with him. Till then, I’ll keep returning like a dog to a neighbourhood lamp post.
look very serious work, yu are on good way
I’ve found chain saw bar oil thinned with white spirit makes an excellent anti rust coating. It’s cheap so you can fill up box sections then pull bottom plugs to let out the excess.
I took the scale and rust off some scrap steel and left it out to weather. 6 moths later no rust. Cleaned off 1/2 of it with water soluble degreaser. Left it for another 6months and only a few patches were drying to oxidise. The untouched oil was clean metal.
Well done! I’m so anti pressure washing these old timers, I think it just helps more rust to start where maybe it wasn’t before. Just wondering if oil thinned with cellulose thinners would be a good option, the thinners would evaporate leaving the oil having penetrated deep into cracks and hidden crevices etc, maybe?
WOW!!!! amazing .... goooooood jooooob. I'm really interested to learn about the battery interface and making this drive unit run....
Really cool video. Intelligent and funny.
Looking good
Others no doubt said it but Spitfire designer Reginald (RJ) Mitchell actually did say “if it looks right, it probably is right”. That original Jaguar chassis does not look right it’s also fairly obvious that a design correction would not have affected rear seat passengers.
Good stuff!
" and it should just slip right in ... annnnnd .... oh what the f ..." LOL!
I just knew it was going to be a snug fit when you used the hammer
Now you need one of those systems that plays engine noises thru the stereo. You could get different tracks: McClaren V12, Big Block Chevy, Honda V-TEC, Diesel Tractor...
Just goes to show, that to get it in you need to work on your foreplay. Love the project man, till the next!
I think it was i good idea not to mount it backwards. i worked at the polestar 2 drivetrain (i know, not tesla) but on the p2 there are some things that dont like running in reverse for long times, mostly the transmission-housing oil-trap and other lube related things. also the micro-geometry on the gears are optimised for forward.
All that hacking away at the chassis made me feel distinctly uncomfortable.
new subscriber, top video. you have great skills and determination. With this new electric technology cars can become beautiful again, don't need to meet a drag coefficient in a wind tunnel and look like every other cookie cutter vehicle.
Cool ! Love it. 😎
Cool. I like it.
I see the project, hmm looks good. I start watching, instant sub, notifications on.
This is great !!
Awesome, I’m taking notes.
Love it.
I marvel at your engineering prowess but wonder if wouldn’t be cheaper and easier to fit the body to an old Model S frame. Of course you’d have to buy an old Model S.
Eccellent that things going to be bonkers when it's done.very entertaining build will keep an eye out for progress reports .crack on old chap
18" wire wheels would look awesome. Or maybe detroit steele wheel co. Check them out. 👍
I kept the original hub caps in case I want to get some wide steelies. And wire wheels look so good on the Mk 4. It’s tempting.
@@SuperfastMatt do.it, and if you don't do it, do it better.
"and then it should just slip right in... " :D
Brilliant
Have you figured out how to fix the rear track width issue?
I want to do this but not to an old Jag! Where does one find the donor Tesla to hack to bits?
Thanks.
Hey, I was curious how you mount the subframe with an understanding of where the ride height will be after the suspension is compressed?
Do you just level the control arms or put the wheels at about the half way point of their full suspension travel distance?
Sandblast rusty areas before you even start to think about welding !
And fabricating !
Fascinating watching your installation, the jaguar is great choice, did you buy it specifically for the Tesla install. Look forward to next chapter 👍
9:16 Hearing Police here, you've been fined 1db for not wearing hearing protection while using the sparky spinny disk, you're lucky the Eye Protection Police is on strike.
Now this is why ev is so exciting, how to bring the old up to the new. Good job.
I think your thought process with this is very cool and logical. I'm in high school right now, but I want to go into automotive engineering when I grow up. I like CAD and laser cutting and stuff like that. Do you have any tips?
Get some weld thru primer, spray inside the frame plates, spray the frame caps and weld them into place. No aluminum U channel on steel, no rivets, no corrosion.
I decided to just weld the sections closed. But have you had good luck with weld thru primer? I've heard mixed things.
@@SuperfastMatt Instead of the substantial modification and reinforcements that were done.
Did you ever consider welding rectangular tubing to create a bespoke stepped arch rear-end frame? That would align with the rear most attachment points. Using a template to keep everything aligned.
It just seems more elegant and would add a lot more stiffness to those rearward attachment points. Or would that type of modification prevent it from being street legal?
I just found this channel and as a TH-cam wannabe expert. I just can't wait to watch the rest of this geeky soap opera, thanks.
Why not start with the power train swap? We all know it will have to come out some number of times greater than normal patience will want but hey, that's the thing! And it really sets up the commitment to finish- the rust chasing only seems to be endless and who wants to start a project with endless? Actually, your process, starting while the body was still mounted, makes a lot of sense- the bit about the dogleg reshape and getting into the rear floorboard was much clearer that way. Very interesting- very!
'...hit subscribe, and I'll let you know when I find that person". Love it! I subscribed. Will your car have motors on the front wheels as well?
They have to, If you hit the brakes that's negative acceleration and therefore the whole weight of the car as to be stopped just you first accelerated. Cars do 0-60 slower than 60-0! But, in case of components holding up, I would look into how much force the regenerative braking system applies before the disk brakes are used and that would indicate that if forward and backward have no difference in durability.
Hey Matt , what is the subframe hole distances across diagonally and across from each other?
How did you determine the height the subframe should be relative to the frame of the Jag? Raise it until the halfshafts are parallel and measure? Or just assume the bottom of it should all be on plane with the existing frame?
i watched this after watching Bob Newhart , so i was waiting for the punch line !!!
0:50
Got a tip from Michael breme of ev west, they do a ton of these conversions and he warned me away from doing this (into a c3 Corvette)
The model 3/s rear suspension are designed for ungodly heavy GT cars, so the rear suspension is modern but not designed like a sports car.
Basically don't subframe swap into stuff that can handle a corner or has aftermarket suspension upgrades
Are you still doing the c3 ev conversion? Sounds interesting
@@Mrelectric423
Yeah, it'll be on a different channel, CorVolt, but there isn't much there since it hasn't really started yet. I have to save up to buy drivetrain parts
@@Ryukachoo I’ve had 2 c3 vettes over the past few years. I want to do an ev conversion too. Haven’t for the same reason
How has the intel lidar been working for scanning? Does it offer precision beyond the basic layout? Always excited about a budget hack that can get the job done :) Looking forward to seeing how this build progresses!
It's not great with holes and studs, which is a bummer, but it's accurate with features that don't have abrupt changes. So it's precise with things like the frame, just not the holes in the frame.
I would love to see a decent size battery and electric drive into a Citroen CX. These were excellent cars often accused of being complex when in reality they were just different. They rusted off course as everything did before the late 1980s. They suspension and brakes hydraulic pipes rusted of curse leading to the “complicated”reputation.
it never slips right in :(
Great channel! It's like Rich Rebuilds except it's about cars rather than about Rich...
2:40 Isn't the toe control going to be opposite of what you want if you put the subframe in backwards?
it's kinda hard to wrap my head around how big or small that motor is. do you know what the ear-to-ear mounting measurements are for the front mounts? ie how actually big is this thing
Rough tape measure: 26" wide, 20" front to back, and 13" tall
Nice project. Don't much like the wheels though.
Those wheels are just NOT right for that old lady!