"Starting" a Tesla in -34C Cold Canadian Winter
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- How long does it take to warm up an electric car in -34 Celsius (-29.2 Fahrenheit) super cold winter weather?
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-24c interior to +20 in 4 minutes is actually INSANE. Don’t think people understand how crazy that is. A gas car would take at least 20 minutes idling to get to that temp.
Yeah. You need the engine to warm the coolant in the block, and then cycle that out and into the heater core. Engines only heat up so fast... still wouldn’t be caught dead with an electric car in the winter... where I live that is
Modern engines have electric coolant heaters, still won't heat up the interior as fast as this Tesla, but the difference is not that big. Luxurious cars often have preheating system that burns fuel to warm up the coolant and heat up the interior when the engine is turned off, so Tesla's heating is good, but nothing we haven't seen already.
most new cars have electric heaters
idle? it takes a 20 mins drive, atleast in my car
@@kaelruland2190 Most new cars? really?
I love how he called the tent that his car is in the garage
If it fits the car it's good enough 😂😂😂
They’re quite common in Canada for obvious reasons :P
Its good because its cheap and does not need a permit. Also, if you want to remove it, your yard is barely ruined, compared to having to demolish brick walls and a roof.
@@infinitenex8165 Why would you want to remove a garage?
too expensive for a real Garage, that money spent well on a tesla
With a few more AI upgrades the car will quietly drive away by itself to a warmer climate.
If the batteries van manage the distantie. With temperatures below minus zero Celsius the range will drop very much. And when the car is not connected to a charger, the heating proces will effect the radius you can drive.
@@tonv912 I'm pretty sure that the battery packs are in heated compartments. With house power when charging, and minimal power, while driving. I mean the cabin is heated right, the batteries don't need that kind of heat, just above zero... And they are in an enclosed, easily insulated area... SO no big issue here.
LMAO love this comment
Can't wait! I'll nap in the back.
It will migrate to california for the winter lmao
Meanwhile in Australia:
“Hey bill!”
“Yuh?”
“Me Tesla’s tires melted!”
“That’s a shame”
OY MR PRIME MINISTA
You guys live in an actual prison. Id revolt against my government if i were you. But you have no guns to do so. Thats ashame. Never give up your rights.
@@anthonyhewitt9397 bruh
@@anthonyhewitt9397 🤡
@@anthonyhewitt9397 you have no idea do you? We don’t need guns. Let’s face it, you wouldn’t do 💩 with your guns
You can "hear" the cold from the noise that snow makes when you step on it. I approve this message, Finland 🇫🇮
I love lapland home of my favorite people
Seriously that snow is DRY
crunch ccrunch crunch
@@rickrobitaille8809 That's where my dad is from. He was born in Kemi.
Yep. Closer to 0°C, the snow would make a different sound. At those colder temperatures, the pressure of your weight no longer causes the ice crystals to melt slightly, and the sound they make rubbing against each other is a squeaky crunching sound.
Type of weather my parents went to school in ... in the UK.
in t shirt
And cold baths
Uphill both ways
@@nathanlewis42 Its a joke, when you complained as a kid that there was a 1cm of snow on the floor our parents would always try and claim they went to school in arctic temperatures and metres deep of snow.
@@nathanlewis42 that’s the joke
I don’t know why I’m watching this. I have a Model 3 myself and am in Alberta.
Haha lmfao
Hey dingman i have some questions. I've tried over the entire youtube and cannot find any info about this. I'm thinking to buy a tesla however the freaking design of the townhouses where i live it's so old that they don't have garage. And and extension cord should be at least 30 feets. How much charge do you lose in a single night if left unplugged? I know tesla have a small written policy which mention that if you keep the car in -20 for longer than 24 hours the battery will be damaged and will not cover for the warranty. Also how much you can make with a single charge..? Also my typical driving style is All the time Must be either AC either Heating. never off. I'm a bit claustrophobia and if i don't keep the heating or AC on i feel very weird
@@VaruStanca if you leave it unplugged for one night its going to lose about 2-4 %, if you completty shut down the tesla its going to just lose 0-1 %
@@eurylachos That's it? WoW. That's amazing. I think i will buy one then. I was scared that if outside it's cold overnight will lose like 30-40% of the battery.
hell yeah haha
nobody:
Canadians:
tent = garage
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂lol dude 😁😁😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Whatever keeps the snow off yer caer
Better than my dad's garage, which is actually just some concrete atop a small mound.
Only for Saskatchewan
We call it a tempo shelter usually. Which is the brand name.
The crunchy snow sound is quite familiar to those of us who have experienced -18°C or colder. Tesla is amazing, no block heaters needed.
Isn't it great? Brought back memories from when I was a kid in BC.
A shelter really helps in winter, so the windows and charger don't get covered with ice.
I have a dog to
@@stickmann7363 you don’t got to hurt my heart like that
@@mrmcnoodle1151 lol why am I getting mentioned?
@@stickmann7363 you know why😑
@@mrmcnoodle1151 Uhhhh, non mon ami?
I've never experienced temperatures below -6°C and he's just chilling at -34°C and dropping
When temperatures drop that low it doesn't feel any colder, it just hurts more being outside
@@patricks.7420 yes, from around -20 Celcius you dont feel a difference. Every small brieze of wind is like knives on your skin
-5c and moist air feel alot colder then dry -30c.
Never felt below 20°C
So I'll just keep on wondering how that feels. Haha
Celsius is different than Fahrenheit
Thank you for this educational demonstration of the Tesla in the super cold.
Who else thought he didn't unplug the charger while he was driving 😆
Me hahaha
the car doesn't drive if the charger is plugged in.
@@UnboxingTVofficial I assumed some automation will be done to that too. But just caught me worried.
Me too
@@KLiNoTweet me too
I can't believe how quickly that warmed up, I do not miss living in a cold climate.
it was plugged in...
Unfortunately he left it plugged into the grid. Would have been nice to see how his range went down if the warm up load had been put on the battery.
@@artsmith103 probably would have lost a good 20%
@@artsmith103 I change my mind. 10%
@@selfishteammate definitely, heat takes lots of energy so it wouldnt be surprising if heating a car by 40 degrees wouldnt be energy efficent lol
The cold doesn’t affect starting in the classic sense. It is more about the reduced range due to the cold and that the batteries may have to preheat to avoid damage. But as long as there is power in the batteries, of course an electric car will “start”.
Most fossil fuel cars will usually start too, but of course - the colder it is, the thicker the oil will be. And if it gets cold enough (like veeery cold), the oil will become like butter. Which is why many cars in northern climates have engine heaters (heating element in the engine block, warming the coolant and thus the whole engine).
Much like when this Tesla was connected to electricity overnight, preventing the batteries from going very cold (and charging, maintaining range).
The biggest challenge with the cold, which drivers in Scandinavian countries also have experienced, is the reduced range. Depending on make, model and how much heating you want while driving, the range can be greatly reduced. But this can of course be helped if the car is charged every time it is parked, for instance while at work.
because the car was never -30, its burning its own heat all night long to keep battery probably 10C+ and thus theres always warm fluid aplenty, and copper only conducts better when cold so meh. nothing of note other than the battery dying fast as heck off a charger
The Tesla doesn't heat the battery all the time when it is plugged in. While charging, the battery will be heated by the waste heat it produces itself, in extreme situations it will heat the battery with additional energy. But when the charging is done there is no heating until you drive off, and that also only in extreme conditions. Of course it will also start to heat when you start the pre-heat program and even then just in extreme situations (not saying -35C is not extreme). When the battery gets to cold the board computer will reduce range and limit power draw (reduced acceleration), showing as a partially blue battery with a snowflake. The range is not lost though, the battery will be warmed up during the drive and the range and the power will gradually come back. This is just all to prevent from damaging the battery thanks to the battery management system.
Here is a link so you know what i mean by "partially blue battery" and "snowflake":
th-cam.com/video/qDm5zIfr3qI/w-d-xo.html
@@d1oftwins The battery needs to be at certain temperature when charging, if the temperature is too low, it will be damaged by charging. Most likely the battery is somewhat insulated, and heat is produced when it is charged or when the car is driving. So that is why they say, "the battery doesn't need heating". Well that is one way to say it, it doesn't need heating, because the battery itself is a resistive heating element that heats up when you charge or drain it. About what is "extreme", it depends from who you ask from. For example for me living in northern Finland, -34 C is not extreme, it is common occurence about every winter. It is cold, but it is normal for this climate area. +40 C warm weather is extreme for me. That means, a car should be chosen so that it fits the environment where it is going to be used at. If you live in cold climate, you should choose a car which for -34 C is "normal", a car that is designed to handle those temperatures.
@@d1oftwins Some of the range is lost while driving in cold, due to the fact that electric car uses the same battery to heat up the car, that is used for driving, and when electric motors and driveline are very efficient, there is very little waste heat to warm up the cabin. While in an ICE car, the energy for heating, is waste heat from the engine. This is key difference between electric and ICE car, when driving in cold. Now it depends how the heating is done, that how much range is lost. If it is done with a heat pump like in some electric cars, the range loss is lower than with resistive heating.
@@d1oftwins Battery temp is self regulating & constant.
Once you have somewhere to charge at night you are good. Having it plugged in helps a lot. It makes things a lot easier.It’s the people who don’t is where the problem lies.
Just watch the data here......3hs to complete a 20% at home? this car will requiere to be ALL NIGHT NON STOP charging......to later have a 70% efficiency if you are generous.........this care literally will be 2hs on the road, and 12hs on the charging port.........what a complete utterly waste to time, money and resources.
@@nicolashrv
He is running the heater at the same time. I didn’t see if he was hearing the car and the battery. But the heater is running. You don’t run the heater all night while you charge. Only shortly before you get in. So since he initiated the heat up the charger power gets split to the heater and charge. That’s why you see the longer time. But as I said before do you warm up a car the whole night ?
@@logitech4873 from this same video.
Southeast asians: shivering in 18 degrees celsius
Lol 😂🤣 same
Well....not really
Ummmmm
No. 21'C is my limit >.
The ac on 22 in the night and ill have body pains the next morning
Great information bud, you showed how to start a car lol.
The question people have is how long does the coil last, and how much power is it drawing to keep your battery from freezing? In -34C you could measure this and give people actually useful information.
We know the coil works plugged in to a full charger, what happens on a converter kit? What happens on a public charger, what happens with no charger. Because if it reduces your range as much as some assume it does EVs are worthless. Also this idea of sitting a car on a charger is nice now, won't be when road tax and carbon tax apply to your hydro
my first gen 24kwh leaf gets about 30% reduced range in -20c if that info is to any help. This car has no battery heating whatsoever. -20c is a lot warmer than -34c though. but i have yet to experience colder than -30 since i got the car. Should also mention this car is nearing 10 years of age. And yes, i get barely no range at all since the car is so old and battery so small. like 80-90km in winter and 110-120km summers. Have not heard of a battery freezing.
When he didn't unplug the car from the house circuit before getting in, I was expecting him to get halfway down the street and find his house being dragged behind him.
Tesla cars won’t shift into drive while they are plugged in.
I just figured he forgot to film that.
Ha yea, I edited it out not realizing how it looked haha
That's insanely impressive. It'd be cool to see a video on how the cold affects charging/range though, I think that's the bigger concern I'd have with buying an EV in cold climates.
The range will drop between 40-65%.
The car keeps its own battery warm enough to not be damaged at all times, and warms itself even further if it knows you are about to be charging it or when you start charging. Once it's warm it charges just as fast as normal.
Also I've not seen anyone report 65% range loss in winter, that's a bit extreme. Worst I've seen people say is ~40%, and much less in warmer climates.
The heater while driving never stops. Wind shear... it's -60 when he drives
@@jessegeerts5043 yikes..
Wow
I can't handle it if the temp where I live gets lower than 12 degrees Celsius in winter! You guys are a different breed mate!
You should talk about the range loss in cold like this.. You can lose 100KM or more, even if the car is plugged in all night due to the cold and the car trying to keep the batteries warm.
If the car is plugged in, hard to see how you can lose range 😂
But of course not a single Tesla owner is going to say Anything remotely negative about the over rated Tesla, try to start it at -34 c without hacer it plugged all night
@@tudopatroi You either lose energy because the batteries can't hold as much charge in the cold, or you lose energy because the batteries are consuming power keeping themselves warm. Of course if you never unplug it, the question of range is moot.
@@mz_nobs4589 Well, ICE vehicles can have major issues starting in this kind of cold
@@Draxel And it is usually the battery that is the problem
I'm impressed his eyes aren't freezing in that cold😂
That’s actually a thing, the vapour from your breath can go up to your eye lashes then they want to stick to each other haha.
@@jonasplett172 yeah the eyes are just fine but eyelashes not so much lol
He's probably used to it
Its not really that bad if there is no wind. Just remember to breath through your nose and not open your mouth to breath though lol.
With enough layers it’s not unbearable. I don’t care what anyone thinks though, -30 is too cold for this guy to do stuff outside. (We usually get a few weeks of that a winter)
"it is - 34 degrees celcius"
*happy noises from literally everywhere on the world except the United States ofcourse*
*happy dolphin noises
Yeah basically, I hate how dumb we are in the states, why couldn't I have grown up in Canada or something? 😂
you forgot the minus part.. -34 not just 34 lol
As a Norwegian I can relate to this
There are great electric vehicle incentives in Norway, I'm sure these cars are selling like hotcakes:)
@@darmou Omg yes! We have more Teslas per capita than any other country in the world, and Electric Cars now stand for about 40% of all new vehicles bought.
@@darmou that's what you get when you don't have to spend your money on saving the crappy EU countries with billions of euros. You have money to give wealthy people new toys.
@@honesty_-no9he ik, and the oil company says that they are the greenest oil company in the world. I belive that, but that aint enough. When the goverment revealed the climate plan they said that they will only sell fully electric cars from 2023, and a bunch of other good stuff. But they didnt mention oil. It makes me furious that the country that started the work against climate change now doesnt want to stop making oil! I hope i become primeminister one day so I can make Norway the greenest in the world!
Bjorn Nyland has plenty of videos like this when he's charging in Norway... sometimes up at Arctic Circle. Not a problem with most electric cars, especially Tesla. Just expect to use up to 50% more power.
I live in Wisconsin and my Tesla had no issues with -40 F. I was fully expecting to have lost a lot or all of my charge, but it was still at 80%, which is where I have it set to max out. I've been pleased thus far.
That's 38⁰ C hotter than this video
@@billybull7419 If he meant 40 F then yeah, but -40 F is actually also -40 C. Confused me at first actually lol
@@billybull7419 We use Fahrenheit where I am from. From the conversion calculator I could find, his temp is about 45-50 dgrees colder Fahrenheit. That just makes the Tesla more impressive.
I live in Stockholm Sweden so far this winter the coldest it’s been -1 Celsius. We’re picking up our new Tesla in February 2021 model with the heat pump. After watching your video at -31 I no longer have any fear whatsoever. Great video
What is the life span of your laptop or notebook ? Max... 2-3 years when with the good brand. What will you do with Tesla after 3 years? Not environment-friendly tech - it is just a consumer's gadget. (I had electric and was no go for my driving workflow).
Just wait until it reaches -25C . I feel these EVs are just too much Hassel you have to always plug them in or you have huge battery los in morning . Add cold weather, heating interior and power loss is immense 30 to 40%
For those who don't know, gas engines are able to start properly and remain sturdy in these temps using a device called and engine block heater, which keeps the engine at a stable temperature in extreme cold.
And leaving his Tesla plugged in to maintain his battery at a reasonable operating temperature is just as fair.
Never had any starting problems in the cold. People that live in these climates know what it's like and have been dealing with it for decades. I use synthetic engine oil so no problem getting the I.C.E. started.
I drive diesel trucks. People always ask me what the chord dangling from the front is.
major reason why the Germans were literally just completely halted come winter 1941 in Russia
Not necessary
Wow only 4 minutes from -34... I'm surprised
how many mile it can go
This is how the future looks like
@@Pa8 With the heat pump, ima do some quick maths. In complete extreme cold weather, you lose 40% of your battery, But since -34 is not considered extreme cold, we'll make a good guess and say about 30%.
Considering he's using a Model 3 long-range, we'll use the updated Tesla range which is 568km (353miles) And since you shouldn't be charging it up to 100% capacity, we'll drop it down 20% so that battery degradation is at it's lowest, which gives us 455 km of range to use (283 miles).
Then that gives us the opportunity to subtract 30% due to cold weather which leaves us at 319 km of range remaining ( 200 miles).
Now assuming you are driving slower and more cautious acceleration, you can probably squeeze an extra 20km of range in the total (12 miles)
But keep in mind, once your battery is warmed up, you can charge the car again, and you will retain that high range for a much longer period of time.
@The Monster Under Your Bed Well the heat pump is useful for our Canadian springs and falls though as that is the same as most others deal with in winter lol.
Damn I never really think about the fact this isn’t normal life for most people. The “tents” are called tempo’s where I live and anything over 5 degrees Celsius is “let’s wear shorts” weather
I would probably sleep in the tesla rather than the house
Edit: This is a joke intended for entertainment purposes please don't send hate by saying that you have heaters in your house.
Regards
A Random Commenter.
Why
@@ryanzz1960 because the Tesla is warm and the house ain't
@@prodachoui why wouldnt the house be warm
@@ejss it is but the Tesla is warmer
@@prodachoui ur du,b I live in Canada the house are very warm if u have good heating
You know he is not joking about the -34 C when you hear the crunching of the snow :-D.
Well for me in Germany you get this amount of crunch at around -7 C
I don't get it. Sounds like normal snow to me
@@Intrspace I do not know where you live and what the temperatures are there, but in my experience, snow that sounds like that is a surefire sign that it is REALLY cold, and not just a few degrees below freezing. Last time I heard it in person, it was around -20 C or so.
@@Astrophysikus -20C is -7F so if 10F is normal for his winters then you’re gonna get that crunching sound on a normal basis
Snow here in western Canada usually melts silently as you drive over it. It does get crunchy when we get freak -20 celsius for a week or two each winter.
Cool, literally- Myth Busters: Canadian Edition. So often people say it's too COLD in Canada for EV's. Thanks for posting. :)
Big question is does the range get effected by the cold, and running the heaters like that?
@@leftcoaster67 That's the real question here, I don't think anyone's thinking an electric car won't work, it's that the range is compromised
@@leftcoaster67 I've heard that's the main issue. They have a hard time maintaining heat
Illinois, USA reporting in. We just had a -50° F polar vortex that lasted three days. God speed, everyone.
It might be worth mentioning you had your car plugged in to a charger the whole time so it will keep your car charging the the battery warm while it’s charging. If you left it in complete cold without charging it will consume way more range.
Yes that’s true - but this is how we live day to day. In winter, we come home, and plug it in. If parked somewhere else for the day, the time to heat up is the same.
@@SaskTechIdeas Yeah but your viewers might not know about that. Plus having the interior heat is good and all but for the longevity of the battery and range consumption it's a different story.
The whole world: 20 degrees is nice and toasty
Americans: 20 degrees is freezing though.
Russians: -40° here hold my frozen beer
@@xGARIDx US with -40c and 40c tempatures: hold my pisswater.
@@xGARIDx That's why rusians drink vodka. Doesnt freeze as easily
Being born in midwest America it can get below -40 in winter don't know what you saying lmao
@@arvil4202 It was a reference to everybody using Celsius nowadays. ;)
I remember living in Edmonton in the 90s and plugged in my car's block heater at work when it was -38C that day ... when I finished work the power cord shattered in my hand when I tried to unplug the cord.. it never went above -25C for 30 days straight that winter ..
I live in the colder part of Australia and in winter in my area it can be -3.C and that feels cold to me, record low once was -7.C. that is overnight minimums. daytime on a bad cold day can be 6 ish. House is cold as a fridge in the morning but I still wear shorts.
This was the coldest cozy video I’ve ever seen.
They call that a "Portable Garage" in Canada. Never ever is it called a tent in Canada. He just shortened it by dropping the "Portable." A tent is for people; A garage is for automobiles.
Canopy. A garage is a structure.
some call it home sweet home
@@BillyBob-fd5ht some call it a car hole
I would usually refer to it as a carport, but I know thats not technically a carport (carports have open sides, only covered on top) but I think it gets the meaning across. Its definitely a canopy or car shelter or something like that
Fun Fact:
-40°C is the same as -40°F
that’s crazy i just checked this
"This thing is unstoppable in the winter."
I'm not convinced that's a good thing. I quite like being able to stop at times. ;)
Then from what I’ve read, don’t buy the winter tires that Tesla sells
🤣👍
i live in Yukon. I have to start my car (not electric) and warm it up for about 20 min at those temperatures. I am really impress by this.
I just moved to Northern Minnesota from Texas and I'm not going to my lie I'm scared shitless of those temps
Haha, a true Canadian! I used to take my scouts tenting at -25C, which is -13 F
Yeah? I 'm sure you kept them nice and warm too ,huh?
@@JD-zd8tm I do sincerely hope there was nothing nasty implied in your comment. I made sure the Scouts had proper equipment, and there was always a heated cabin nearby for emergencies. Getting up in the morning was interesting...everyone wanted to stay in their nice warm sleeping bags! Lol! A brisk walk before breakfast warmed them up. We always had a great time.
@@marshotto4945 Lighten up ! I was a scout too Troop 273 . We drank Alba 66 by the gallon but it certainly was cold outside
Would like to see the vehicle stood up for 3 days not plugged in to a charger and then carry out this test. Thats the situation a lot of people can get in when living in high rise apartments and their vehicle is parked in a street over the weekend half charged and it has to be driven on monday morning to work. No chance of leaving it charging all weekend on the sidewalk with no chargers in sight, and the battery is going to rip the guts out of itself powering the battery heaters keeping the batteries warm over those 3 days sat in the cold...
i agree!! what you describe is more typical of what actually happens in saskatoon
The infrastructure is coming where you can charge your car on the street. May take a decade or two, but it is coming.
Exactly. That's the part they don't tell you about when they flog these EVs. You think Al Gore or Greta worry about parking?
@@PappyGunn wtf are talking about... have you seen the size of the SUV's those two get chauffeured around in? Of course they have to worry about parking.
@@Zoyx and how will this new infrastructure be powered? Coal powered electric plants? nuclear powered ones? How will the current electric grid accommodate all this needed power to charge the EVs?
Switch on the headlight it makes the battery heat and it's good for the battery in winter season
I remember that cold snap. I was in southern Ontario with my 2018 Model 3. Other than the difficulty of keeping the battery warm enough to charge with only a 120 volt plug with which to charge, I had no problems staying warm. Although I did make the mistake of spilling a steaming hot cup of black tea while driving, which caused an almost immediate ice up on the wind shield. That wasn't fun.
Obviously it starts, but, how much range do you lose at -34*C vs summer?
1/2
Exactly ! Probably half is gone !
Yes but that was a Tesla commercial,!
I have a Ford F -150 5.0 liter in Canada - gas mileage sucks in the winter too
*HOW DARE YOU!*
Beautiful car, I just can’t get over the fact it makes no noise my favourite part of cars is the exhaust and these are just to quiet
Well, just enjoy the silence.
I love the silence of my model Y. When I accelerate from a traffic stop, I love the feeling of pulling away from all the cars who are roaring behind.
Facts
literally the coolest video ive ever seen ^^
Best part about this video is the sound of his footsteps.
Over 50% battery left on iPhone. Battery empty after few min video. Thank you Steve.
His phone got too cold and it turned itself off to protect the battery from damage. Ive had it happen while shoveling snow at like 80 percent. The battery percentage doesn’t actually go down but the phone turns off since you could really wreck your battery by using while that cold.
Edit: they also turn off if they get too hot. I have never had that happen to me personally because of where I live but it’s a purposeful feature to protect the longevity of your device.
@@jonasplett172 You can say that to a mirror and other apple users. Look at mirror and tell yourself: I believe in you, good sir. iPhone just saves battery by turning itself off, because it is better than any other phone.
@@Shippard funny thing people pay more than 1000€ for that.
@@elijah420stuffs2 yeah, it is sad people are waisting so much money just to be "in", "cool" or something like that. I guess apple makes those phones around 200-350€ and sells them +1k€, then says "battery is shutting down to keep it safe" and at the same time refusing to repair anything.
But I guess if you got a job and you make enough money, you can spend it where you like.
@@Shippard I mean, even the tesla has to keep it's battery warm to function properly (at least around -20C max). That's why he had the car plugged in.
Before you say anything, I use a Huawei.
Would love to hear how much your battery life is affected in our cold winters versus our summers and whether it is as bad as what I have heard (as much as 30% decrease in range in extreme cold weather like we get in Canada (coldest temps vary from province to province for those not from the great white North reading this and often quite a bit)
@Simon Bolduc I'm sure your civic just has a bad battery. Batteries are designed to start cars in cold weather, if the weather affects your battery to the point where you can't start the car that means you need to change it.
A guy I know has a model 3 and when we get deep into the winter with temperatures around -30 Celsius he says the range drops significantly. For me this is the biggest reason why I haven’t bought an electric car. In the winter I need to be able to drive 4 hours in -30 and have a car that can reliable idle for along time when the highway gets closed. Just this past weekend in BC highway 93 basically shut down. When I drove through the next day I saw 4 Tesla on the side of the road because they ran out of juice and needed to be towed. For city driving I think electric cars are great but any cold long mountain roads are a no go.
@@theredbrick3249 good ol 93
Mathew Milne... more importantly, I wonder how the cold effects the overall life-span of the battery itself... I have heard Tesla's normally need their batteries replaced 8 to 10 years which isn't good when you consider the batteries cost $7000 to $15000.
@@petemclovins9166 Ah, in 8 to 10 years you'll get much better batteries for cheaper. And the old one will still be good for a DIY project or a huge grid battery somewhere.
Nice Winter Garage. Less snow to clear daily and easy to dismantle if needed.
Haha I misspoke when I said garage, but yes it’s better than nothing, keeps snow off :)
"Unstoppable..." (Not only electric, any car that's plugged in, and has a block heater, starts and quickly warms up).
not really true. Most block heaters are ~100W or so. Just enough to keep the engine block from completely freezing. That's about it. The Tesla has if it's like any other competent EV an 8+ kW heater system.
@@tomstdenis So you say, that's not my experience, you're talking (boasting) through your hat.
@@ericbrufatto5371 Block heaters don't heat the coolant loops (which is where cabin heat comes from in an ICE vehicle).
@@tomstdenis Get a life!
@@ericbrufatto5371 ok Eric
Can you make a video of how the Canadian winter affects the distance of electric cars with your Tesla?
My question is what happens when it's not plugged in and you need to warm it up? If it takes from the battery, how long does it last? Any risk of it draining or freezing?
Exactly what I was thinking
Is this really a fair assessment? The heater in the car is drawing energy from the house to get warmed up. That's the equivalent of having a block heater on a gas or diesel engine plugged in.
Maybe even equivalent to leaving a diesel or gas car idling pulling fuel from an external fuel tank.
The real test would be - side by side - a gas car and electric car with no external connection. Fuel up the gas car, charge up the electric car and cold start them and compare the range and time to drive away and warm to even 15 C in the cabin including defrosting the windows.
I'm not convinced.
@@oldhardrock2542 by the time the electric car got that hot it would drain alot of battery power
Auto start?
When its not plugged in, the battery drain is faster only when it actually drains I think.
The car automatically does the math for you, and figures out the most optimal heat for your battery while losing the least power.
I like the idea of electric cars being specialised where combustion cars have shortcomings rather that subtitute them to make us "go greener"
This just makes me want a Tesla even more. One day.
Bc every sane person wants to sit and charge for an hour every 3 to 4 hours on the road.
dont buy a tesla buy soemthing better like volvo
TH-cam algorithm at 3am: Want to know how long it takes to warm up the interior of a Tesla?
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i wish you alot of luck with your "car"you are going to need it!
We're in very moderate coastal California... no worries about extreme cold.
You can warm it up remotely. But what's odd (lately) is that it takes a few min to "boot". The car is drivable pretty quick but subsidiary systems (radio, GPS, ...) take noticeable time to function
Shouldn't have put so much computers in them.
I wonder if using a 15 year old car in the future will be like using a 15yo smartphone today...
(goes for both electric and ICE)
@@ano_nymProbably will be. And that's why I won't buy an EV right now - I'm all for electric cars, I think it's an awesome technology, but the manufacturers are so aggressive about using proprietary software, preventing repairs, not allowing to install a different firmware etc. - I'm the kind of guy who buys a car and drives it for 20 years with a few repairs. I just can't see that happen with any of the EVs on the market right now. Maybe some manufacturers will step up, or maybe the open source community will find some way of creating cfw for EVs. Until then, I'm sceptical.
That could be an issue with your car in particular. I'd have it looked at by a service center.
@@gayusschwulius8490it will be the same thing whenever you buy it. Tech is forever evolving. If you buy it in 2030 it will be more advance but if you buy it in 2040 it will be even more advanced.
@@777jrg technology usually evolves the fastest in the start. Look at e.g. flat screens.
The differences between an average flat screen 20 years ago vs 10 years ago was much greater than the differences between one now and and one 10 years ago.
Our phones freeze too, but his froze literally😂😂
more impressed your phone lasted that long without shutting down
In my two trucks, a 2019 GMC SIERRA and a 2024 Santa Cuz, set the heat setting at max and its throwing heat in about 3 to 4 minutes. Then just gradually turn the temperature down to where you want it. Both have heated seats and heated steering wheels. The GMC sits outside and the Santa Cruz in my unheated garage.
Wondering how the freezing temps affect battery life in the long run on these EV's
Funny how this subject was skipped over. I noticed it was still charging when he got inside! It showed 3:42 to full charge! This makes no sense based on his video! I smell a rat!
Battery life isn't a problem, a new one from Tesla is Only $20k.
@@sptrader6316 good point wasn’t thinking!
@@bubbafatas2588 The car lights dont show when its charging.
U only know its charging when u check the phone or the screen.
We used to keep ours charging overnight during the winter so it would warm up for the commute, but then we realized even in the winters, it dont matter that much.
My mom can just charge it at her work since its free, and it can still startup decently overnight. Better for the battery too apparently.
LMFAO !!! @@sptrader6316
-34c, now we're talking. It dips this low occasionally the Canadian Prairie. Can you give an estimate of the range you get at 5C increments?
Yeah, but it’s a ‘dry’ cold! Thanks for the video. Could you drive to Regina in that cold without worrying about range?
as the car heats up the battery gains back the energy that’s lost from the cold weather, so range in the cold isn’t an issue
@@Clavinohou Not accurate at all. Actual cold weather range tests have shown the model 3 struggles to make 200 km's in cold weather (averaging 150-180 km's), meaning you absolutely couldn't make Regina from Saskatoon. Beyond that, model 3's have shown ranges anywhere from 250-500 km's on a full charge in a warm climate. Meaning you may struggle to make it the 263 km's even in warm weather.
@@robertcampbell8070 Really, i havent heard much about this, and i have no idea where regina or saskatoon is
@@Clavinohou They're in Saskatchewan, Canada.
@@robertcampbell8070 it’s not like the range will just be some random value between 250 and 500. You can estimate it’s exact range by knowing how old the battery is.
It probably won't get that cold here, mayby -10° C at the lowest.
Great video,
We never get this cold in SW Ontario…. So I don’t know if it’s a Canadian winter as much as Saskatchewan in this case, Canada is huge.
Our average high is -1 and lowest we see is -20 but few and far in between…. Never had I seen a temp of -39 and we are in Canada too lol. No wonder people think polar bears roam the streets in Canada and Canadians live in igloos. We tend to slap that “ Canadian winter” label on ourselves. Meanwhile there is a good chunk of the US colder than Canada 😂 Love the Tesla and your demo though.
ontario cold is different then out west cold, a lot more moisture in the air here in ontario so the cold cuts through youre gear and chills to the bone. -15 in ontario can feel worse then -30 out west.
I have a regular gas car, but a couple years back it was -50°F here (which I believe is actually significantly colder than -34°C). Amazingly it started, but it certainly didn't seem to like it. The startup was very slow and sounded like it didn't want to, and all the screens were off and gradually started to turn on over the course of a few minutes. 😆 Chicago gets way colder than it should. It's like it thinks it's part of Canada.
That's cap it never gets that cold. WIND CHILL DOESN'T COUNT. Pisses me off how everyone thinks wind chill affects engines
If were talking about actual temperature Chicago has never gotten that cold EVER. Wind chill is something else.
@@Nabee_H Yes it has. -52 if I remember correctly. Was only for one day. The day before that was -35 but felt way colder 'cause there was way more wind.
@@Nabee_H To amend my statement though it wasn't actually IN Chicago, it was in the western suburbs, which seem to get significantly colder for whatever reason.
@@joshuadelaughter Thats weird because it doesn't seem to come up when i search "Coldest temperatures recorded in Chicago"
Unstoppable in the winter?
Imagine the highway getting snowed in, everyone is stuck but has an electric car. They all run heaters for 8-30 hours, depending how bad the highway is. If any cars die, how are they going to charge them without towing them?
Imagine this. -35 in a tesla, stuck on the highway or in the ditch for your stated amount of time. How long can you sit there watching your battery die knowing if you don't get rescued your going to die.
@@matkurcher9469 Same thing can happen if you're low on fuel with ICE vehicle. You get into a ditch and you're low on fuel and once it runs out, your car starts to get cold pretty fast after it 🤷♂️ You can kinda estimate how much your vehicle burns fuel while idling by multiplying it's engine size (or liters of displacement how ever you say it in english) by 0.6 and you get how much fuel your car roughly burns per 1 hour. Let's say you own a 5.7 V8 hemi (like I do 😅) and you have full tank. Say it's 70 liters.
The vehicle will burn about 3,4 liters of fuel each hour to keep you warm. That means, with 100% full tank, you have just over 20 hours worth of warmth. So yeah, doesn't sound too great either.
Now am I defending e-vehicles in some way? No, absolutely not. I enjoy the roar of my hemi too much, or the quickness of my tuned Golf GTI mk5 (even tho both are slow compared to quick Tesla's). But just something to think about. ICE vehicles can't run forever either unless they have some sorta energy and yes it's easier to get fuel from outside sources than it is to draw a 100 kilometer long cable to get your e-car recharged, but if nobody is coming to your rescue, both have their "timers" ticking down.
In fact, Tesla might win this race. th-cam.com/video/i3E0t0kGeug/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8o6rU2dbXeGZ1eHF
I was thinking in Fahrenheit this whole time and I was just like how are you alive at that temperature.
"The cool thing about Tesla is to drive you put your foot on the brake, put it in drive and then start driving"
So... same as a gasoline-powered car except for pressing the START button.
German here and i‘d really love to have such winters over here, most people would hat it but i don‘t care about them! 😂
How much distance did you lose during warm up? Did you ever have your door handle freeze? What happens when you don’t have a charger plugged in when it’s cold. Doesn’t your battery lose its charge keeping the battery warm?
I like those questions muhahaha
You're exactly the type I'd expect to drive a Tesla.
Hey I am from Saskatoon andy funny enough I might have seen you while driving
Hiiiiii
Got to love Tesla fan boys. They are so polite as you pick them up along the side of the road.
Huh?
Curious how well self driving works in winter if the road is covered in snow?
The cars camera/radar system cant determine where the lanes are/sometimes can't read street signs if they are iced over. In any case, you should be under control of the car in these conditions. If you break traction, you need to be able to correct.
@ebulating
Ya I’m really wondering how this would work, since Elon is aiming for robotaxis and people not even really owning Tesla’s, but just having fully autonomous vehicles driving people around. Great in California maybe. I just wonder about Snowy conditions. Maybe the AI will just get really good and won’t need to see the lines in the road.
Is the autopilot basically non-operational when there is snow covering the road?
I think if the car doesn't detect any sign/lane/road it won't let you enable self driving
Some snowstorms are so terrible that you can't even see where to go as a human driver. It will never be possible for it to make 100% of all trips. Only 99.9...%
@The Monster Under Your Bed The Model Y has a heated radar, but otherwise it's a common that even TACC stops working because of ice on the front radar of Model 3. But yeah, ultimately FSD should be able to navigate most things better than humans. But I'd still argue it won't make every single trip, simply because not every trip is possible. I'm talking about very extreme natural disaster scenarios though, where humans have no chance either.
Does this kind of temperature effect on range?
By the way, cheers from Finnish Lapland!!!
Yes up to 40% of a charge
while it's plugged into the wall? no. On the road? Yep
It severely impacts the range
Katos terve
@@Simon-ew7yi and thats without two snowmobiles in a trailer in which you can go down to 25% of the original range
You gotta love Canadians they use Celsius
I love loving in a place that often goes years between snowfall.
Very impressive I would not have guessed anywhere near that fast! Thank you for the video!
Nobody:
Alabama on Christmas: low of 40 degrees Fahrenheit
Very impressive warm-up speed with such a huge temp delta 😮😮😮😮
Had -10°F windchill here in West Texas a few weeks ago.
I saw Teslas and Ford Lightenings on the side of the major roads between two cities separated by 20 miles.
Lol thats retarded.
These cars balance the battery heater's power loss, with the power loss from the cold. It really aint that much of a big deal.
20 miles is just 32 kilometers. Wev had 170 mile roadtrips to kelowna in the winter, with only like 2 charging stops inbetween.
Granted the cheaper rear wheel drive models are really shitty in the snow without the right tires.
Dad wished he got the AWD version when we forgot to get the right shit lmfao
Probably making snowmen on the sidewalk
Idiots with SUMMER tires. Blame The Frunkin’ Idiots!😂
Hey fellow Canadian! I am out near Toronto. Great video. One issue I heard is the battery life gets worse every winter. Last Tesla owner I know said he had to replace the battery after the third winter. Any thoughts?
Woah, I don’t think that’s normal. Going into our third winter, we still have ~95% of our original rated range.
@@SaskTechIdeas id assume its like a phone battery..sometimes you get a lemon battery? Idk
That doesn't have anything to do with the cold, unless you drive the battery completely empty and leave the car without charging for a long time. This will damage the battery even in normal temperatures.
What happens in the cold is that you don't get access to all the power in the battery. At the same time you are using more energy to heat the cabin. You will loose about 30 percent range.
Ps! I'm Norwegian. 22.5% of the cars in norway are electric. 4 out of 5 cars sold every year is electric. Every winter it gets below -20 celcius (-4 fahrenheit) for a couple of weeks where I live. In Karasjok it gets down to -40 celcius (-40 fahrenheit). I hear that the electric cars actually has less problems than the fuel cars in the winter over there.
i will never live in the cold like that I can literally walk around with shorts during December in south Texas
a heated steering wheel would be nice......
I believe the latest version of the model 3 has one
@@keco185 it does
@Cyber Dream what the fuck was this absolute dump truck of a sentence
@Cyber Dream so does my Kia Rio. And neither car can hold a candle to the Model 3.
@1234j lithium is pretty much a place holder atm, eveyone is working on a replacement and apparently tesla already finalising one so that'd be great for both the consumer and the environment, lithium is hella dirty
Stay warm up there Sir!
Good job buddy!!! I used this in the radio clip this morning :)
As long as the battery cells are not charged at lower than 0 °C, it's fine.
the tesla battery doens't charge before the battery heats up to 10 degrees.
@@simonishoel5749 yes, it's safer, between 10 and 30
@BeAn BeAn it's a big problem if charging heats the battery. it is a sign that something is not working properly or that the battery is damaged
@BeAn BeAn it warms it up, not not much. I have a phone with a defect battery (or plug), and it even gets hot. and the other phone with a not defect battery has no temperature issues.
it is physics, and that's bad. because a normal battery reaches a specific temperature and can't reach temperatures of heating by its own. remember the galaxy note 8? it exploded because of heating batteries
@BeAn BeAn what is ambient temp? also, we are seeing in EV that batteries don't get warm just by chargin without being something else that heats the batteries. or am I missing anything?
Awesome! I live in North Carolina, USA. We don't get much cold weather, but this was really cool to watch.
Good video, people always ask.
“It only takes a minute, it’s comfortable, and just gos”
The comments: *STILL WOULDN’T BE CAUGHT DEAD IN AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE*
how the hell is this place the same Latitude as Manchester. WoW
Manchester is warmed by the Gulf Stream; Saskatoon more than a thousand kilometres from any ocean.
@@mikekeenan8450 even moscow isnt as cold and thats same latitude as manchester
@@kingprone7846 Look up Koppen Climate Classification, far more than latitude affects climate.
@@tomoldbury2943 yah......................
The way the wind currents are, we always get a deep freeze that comes from the arctic
Cool it started.. it's warm. Now drive it on the highway and see if your range drops
Y’all are crazy driving in the snow
Winter tires you know
Its not that hard
What else are you supposed to do?
Haha it’s so normal to us that we don’t even think about it at this point. I do it almost every day in the winter.
Pretty simple if your prudent