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- Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychologist and professor. He is the author of Maps of Meaning and more recently, 12 Rules to Life: An Antidote to Chaos. The latter is a bestseller and has seen his popularity soar, as too in many quarters has the criticism of the 56 year old Canadian.
Here he discusses his family's history of depression and his daughter's battles with it.
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the best analogy i've ever encountered about depression is the feeling of longing to go home when you're already at home
Christopher Neale yes this is so true, I feel I don’t belong where I am & am homesick all my waking hours.
Maybe you’re an angel sent to earth :) look into it. Incessant longing to go home. Hope you find it in your lifetime.
Naw I think if you watch Inception than you will get the best comparison to depression... where limbo state is the worst part of depression. At the end Leo get out of limbo (depression)... but at end he spin the top and we dont get to see the future (depression can come and go)
Starseed? 💫
Camille Holle interesting... we get to go to our real home when we go back to Father God
Depression is an overused word in society, but real Depression is a nightmare. The type of depression that goes on for years where your energy is low, you feel unease often, your concentration is poor, and you wonder why bother doing anything other than the basics to survive. You can even feel that you dont deserve to be happy because you are a bad person and its some sort of punishment for things you have done wrong and is something that you must go through.
It clouds your judgment and makes you question yourself so as you can't even see reality as it is at times. Real depression is a hideous condition that steals time from you, steals your hope and saps your energy.
Some people have no concept of what it is, and think its just feeling a bit down, a bit sad or a bit bored.
@@vinterskugga Very true
justmadeit2 - Thank you, you described it better than Dr. Peterson did. Especially how chronic depression steals your hope and saps your energy. Unless a person has experienced it themselves, they can't begin to understand the exhaustion that comes with trying to deal with it every day for years on end. Plus you have to somehow find the energy to 'fake it' most days - to seem like your doing okay just to keep a job, to keep friends. People (understandably) grow weary of depressed people quickly. Then there are the worst days when you're not capable of any of the above and just crash.
@@northguy9761 Thanks. I just felt like I wanted to share my thoughts on it, I know how it can be. I've been in some dark places with depression as have many. If someone hasn't had it then they may just think someone is being soft or dramatic and that they simply need to 'snap out of it' Only when they actually go through a serious depression themselves can they understand it and empathise.
The depression of many people gets even worse because of others saying that it is not a real depression and that they have no reason to be depressed.. Js
@@XandiXDs I think there is still a stigma around depression, possibly harder for men to admit too. I look at it like this, if a person has had years of good times, an excellent childhood and years of feeling at peace, then when bad times do happen to them they find it much easier to deal with it because their minds have a memory bank of good times to fall back on, where as if a person has suffered issues for years and has had periods of exhaustion, depression and self loathing and shame etc, and has been struggling...then when bad times come to them it is that much harder for them to get over thopse bad times. I think its why people with depression probably take breakups worse and also other events too, even getting a cold or flu feels worse when you are already feel on the low side to start with. Does that make sense ?
Where as if you have high levels of feel good chemicals in your brain which come from having years of good times, then when physical illness comes it is that much easier deal with. Thats my take on it. That being said, i dont believe in wallowing in negativity, and i do believe life can be fantastic, and to a certain extent life is what we make of it. It is hard to know sometimes which is depression and which is just a person not making an effort or being 'lazy' I am speaking about myself when i say that. Once a person is stuck in a rut it is hard to get out of. I do believe we have it in us to improve our lives and find happiness/self acceptance and peace.
But to use an example of how some dont understsnd what real depression is i use this analogy/metaphor:: I dont understand it when i hear someone speaking Chinese, it makes no sense to me, and i think when someone who has no concept of depression hears about what it feels like, they just done understand it or the language of depression makes no sense to them, in the same way that i dont understand chinese.
Depression is more than just a "dip", it can be true hell on earth. Dr. Peterson nailed it in this video.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
So basically he told his poor daughter to just deal with it. How awful.
Depression is cancer of the mind. Not just a cold.
Yes, I think people mistake "unhappiness" with "clinical depression". They are so vastly different. You can cure unhappiness: go for a walk, watch comedy shows, pet a kitty, be more social, reconnect with friends, do something you find joy in, etc. "Clinical Depression" feels like nothing in this world matters, like everyone is either ignoring you or out to get you, like being outside would melt your skin, like your muscles weigh so much that you can't get out of bed, or take a shower or brush your teeth, where it impacts your life to such an extent that death seems like a viable option. For many people, "clinical depression" is only manageable with SSRI's. Going for a walk and saying hi to the birds will do little to nothing for that disorder.
depression is just a mind enlightened to the nature of the world. There is no rule that humans are meant or supposed to be happy. We don't say rabbits are depressed cause they are always terrified of being eaten.
Most accurate description of depression I ever heard is not wanting to die, but not really wanting to live either.
It's like living inside of a sort of ... nowhere place in the middle somewhere. Absolutely nothing is of interest.
Fuck. That's how I feel
living becomes hell.
Mm-hm. I like the "dying, but very slowly, at the pace of every day life"
Nate Connelly I feel like the only way my depression would leave me, is if I hadn’t been born, 58 started 17 , to many young friends lost , been depressed all them years, fuck it’s a long time ,☹️
Almost a purgatory of existence
Regardless of your opinions on JP you have to give him credit for making (young) men think about their mental health. And it's about time tbh...
@killbotone Didn't he just say several times to get on with the job and bear as much as you are able?
@killbotone you are not very bright are you
I read the words 'about time' in this comment in Jordan Peterson's voice lol
@killbotone I can guarantee you this man has had more burden in his career than you've had in your "job". You have no idea what a real man is.
That killbotone lowkey using incel language. I wouldn't take him seriously if I were you lol
Chronic pain can cause depression. It wears your soul down.
Yara Kodmous I hope you find the strength and ability to keep fighting and overcoming Yara
Absolutely! And in some cases the opposite is true, often becoming a never ending cycle. At least in my experience lol. Hope you're doing as well as possible, mate
Yara Kodmous chronic illness too. Yep.
@@atomicman2307 Shut the fuck up pussy.
Absolutely agree. I see that every day working with elderly
jordan peterson is a gift to humanity
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A Canadian treasure.
Lol, a psychiatrist who thinks that 'good' and 'evil' exist is not a gift to humanity, but rather a burden who creates mindless followers like you.
and u dont think there are things like good and evil?
So good and evil don't exist? Holy shit that's a new one. Welcome to earth, spaceling. You're kind of an idiot.
To understand depression profoundly, one must first experience it.
yup. can't be explained
Jye You are not competent to opine about depression..... cancer is studied by observing the cancerous cells ... depression is the invisible killer , you can't see it but you sure as fuck can feel it
I see so many depressed people in my life that I don't need to experience it to understand where they fail.
@Leftist Lyncher barbaric idiot
@@chrisheroldt5871 No, it can be explained. The OP is correct in saying: understanding it profoundly. You can undesrtand and empathise on a surface level.
Depression is so much worse than sadness. It's exhausting, truly exhausting. Any effort to maintain a normal life, to work, to be there for your friends and family is sometimes unbearable. But you have to or it only makes it worse. It's looking at everyone else who are enjoying an evening and feeling so far away from them because you can't feel anything. You can't connect. It's wishing you could cry so at least you could break up the pain. It's being unable to be excited about the future because it seems like endless sameness and unsatisfication until you finally can die. But you don't have to identify with it, you have to get up and try to break the cycle of depression. There is life beyond the worst of it.
Yeah. It’s feels inescapable & sometimes the only solace is to keep going because others need you & you don’t want to fail. Also for me, seeing those with extreme physical & mental handicaps (like paraplegics, amputees, or Down’s - but are still fighting forward) helps remind me of what I really have on the positive side, & how much more difficult my fight could be...Peace & blessings & Joy to you!!
Yep. Try having such severe depression you don't even have the energy to plan how to end your life. I've seen that in a lot of people. They are zombie.
I don’t even know how I should feel.
Beautifully put.
Jordan Peterson is like a father many of us never had. God bless you.
Harry Barry true I don’t have a dad :(
@@dancer1 We are gonna make it fam🙏
I need you to keep going. People you haven’t even met yet will need you in the future.
Well said Jake
Depression is Hopelessness....A constant state of "why bother"
I ask myself what’s the point if I’m just going to die? I don’t know how I’m suppose to feel anymore
@@MRNBA2K unless absolutely nothing makes you happy (which is a sad reality for many people)
I think im in a deep depression. I use to be able to keep things clean, plan for meals, keep up with showering and brushing my hair. I now just want to sleep and stay in the dream word while everything around me falls apart. When i leave the house i just want to go home. Nothing is enjoyable.
🙏
You are not alone 💗
I’ve been there. Reading philosophical works by Heidegger and meditation plus walks in nature helped me ground the unbearable sense of meaning loss. Part of depression is an attempt to organise your personality around a new pivot. Try to FEEL what it is new and different that you could be doing that would bring meaning into your world. Let it surface like a dream or wishful thinking and try to organise yourself around a new psychic centre. Wish you all the peace and courage to sail through it. ❤️🙏
@@gideonros2705 very interesting what you said, thank you
It’s okay 👍 remember, it’s okay to take time off and your not going to feel and be in a good mood everyday to do your daily tasks. I Usually take a break for week or month to refresh myself and get back to my life.
"One of the things we constantly told my daughter was not to ever use her illness as an excuse, mostly because it would blur the lines between her and the illness."
That's really good. I like that a lot. It means that they didn't allow this affliction to completely define her and determine who she was. She was just "a person", not "a person... with depression." No sense of identity was found in it. Not letting it hold her back like that means not letting it win, so to speak. I'm glad she's better now, largely due to his awesome parenting, no doubt.
I paused the video when he said that to let it sink in for a second. Lately I have been trying to un-blur these lines, and I think he provided me with a clue as to why I wasn't very successful with it so far.
Yes that is brilliantly put.. I get the feeling that he was talking about the arthritis as the illness.. not depression.
In the Gurdjieff teaching, this is called "identifying". It took about a year for me to understand the significance of this. It also requires that the individual becomes aware (through self-observation) of how often they stray off the path and into the swamp.
2:24 His daughter said she would choose the arthiritis over depression. Physical pain is so much easier to handle than mental pain. Everyone who has dealt with both (including myself) understands exactly what she's talking about. I had severe depression in my early 20's, and got over a bout of it in my mid-30's. The good thing for me is that it was never chronic as it seems for Jordan and his family.
lonewolf333 without exception
You say that, but my girlfriend has chronic pain, chronic fatigue, dislocating and few other things. She’d maybe have a debate about that.
Different things effects different people I suppose.
Yeah well my friend's mom has RA pretty bad and she's dealt with it for over 20 years now. I have classmates that could not deal with the mental or psychological pain and thus chose to end their lives. I've seen people with chronic physical pain go on much longer than someone with chronic depression. Neither type is easy; just one seems easier than the other, but that is my own experience.
The mind can help fight physical pain. What other body part can help the brain fight its pain? Having had both, I'll take physical pain every time.
@Nathaniel Birthurth Respectfully, I do not mean to discount your pain. It must have really sucked. I hope you are better.
What I like about this man is that he tries. He tries to help. He understand the gravity of the situation. Depression will be a real challenge for this generation and he represents hope.
Well said my friend!
Imagine hearing someone sees you as a representative of hope.
What a blessing and a heavy burden to bear!
JP carries a ceartin heaviness in his voice and demeanor, but it just makes him more real and human.
Jordan Peterson is a legend. Such a lovely man with the best of intentions
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yeah he wants to be famous thats it
I don't get that impression, his fame is a by-product of him speaking about his profession and providing his expertise on extremely complex issues. Not the other way around.
I like him partially. He has SOME good thoughts and things to say, and he is good at formulating it. That's about it. But he's a bit stuck in the past and old books and thoughts (protecting what he has learned from them), and prevents evolving by moving and trying new directions "because that leads straight to something-ism!". I guess that's the core of conservatism (which includes anxiety for what to come). But he's conservative yet still somehow curious and open, I'll give him that.
@@morten1 - yes, well said. No man is perfect.
The best way to describe depression is the inability to construct a future.
zack morris I think Andrew Solomon put it best in his Ted talk, that the opposite of depression isn’t happiness but vitality
Right
Wow. Well said.
exactly.
Yeah very well put Zack
"Depression is like your dog dying, every day, but worse"
*Holy sh*t*
I feel like it’s your family dying but yeah it’s horrible
I was going to end it a while back. I saw myself dead and blead out on the bathroom floor. My dog curled up beside me in pain and alone. Wondering when her master would wake.
Couldn't do it. is it sad or beautiful she will ever know she saved me?
The next time I was even closer. But I saw in my mind and felt in my heart the pain I would spread to everyone who loved me. I Couldn't do it.
I then realized that I am not the horrible monster my illness would have me believe. I realized I live for others and they live for me. Somehow through a series of realizations and a lot of focus. I see that I am nothing without them and I chose to carry my pain just so they would never have to. I can guarantee it would have been a hard load to lift for anyone.
I was in a bad state before I decided to carry my burden. Somehow shortly after I made that choice and really nailed suicide down as something I didn't want to do I had a direction. Up. Forward. Any direction but down.
I overcame one of the most treatment resistant mental illnesses. Obsessive compulsive disorder. Saved myself from my own self hatred as well. All because I didn't want to see my loved ones suffer. Powerful stuff love.
Outforarip RC yours is a wonderful story of the victory of the human spirit. I admire you greatly and you have a valuable story to share with others.
Keep fighting...please
Neil Wallace and lola Wallace I'm still chugging along.
It is so admirable to struggle in even when the situation is dragging you down. A sign if a true hero. 🙂 I am a depression suffer. Its a battle.
Outforarip RC-your comment bright tears to my eyes. I’m glad you were able to foresee what would have happened with your dog and others in your life. That takes extreme courage to crawl out of the depths of hell in depression. It’s no easy feat. It’s brutally hard to see the the future when you’re in its grasp-let alone the next five minutes. Your quote helped me get thru today. Thank you.
One thing I’ve learned about depression and anxiety is if you truly want to try to get better you have to do EVERYTHING right. When I say that I mean everything possible to to induce a positive change such as diet, exercise, making friends and forming meaningful relationships, getting outside, getting sun, doing things that you deem important, reach out to family, try to further your career etc. You get the idea.
Also do NOT roll over on your belly and give in to it and go along with the depressing thoughts and anxiousness. You have to challenge these thoughts. You have to fight it every day and still try to make the right choices even if you feel like absolute dog shit. It’s going to be difficult but it ain’t gonna fix itself.
Most likely go see a therapist and talk to a doctor as well, antidepressants are there to try also if you want to go that route. They help a lot of people.
Above all realize that life is a gift. It isn’t all bad and it certainly isn’t a given, it is a privilege, you have one chance to try to make it a meaningful existence everyday, and let me tell you being depressed and sitting on the couch isn’t going to make you feel any better and that’s not how you want to be remembered. I promise you that staying busy and being active will help you feel so much better. Yes it sucks quite frequently and you are going to die eventually but guess what, you’re not dead yet and everything you do still matters while you are here and to anyone whom loves you and might be here afterwards.
Bubbas Ernie great message, will keep that in mind. Never give up!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience on this. I think you’re absolutely right.
kljsfid18 Thank you!
Alejandra Gonzalez Thank you, and of course. Best of luck to you and your endeavors
That's a great observation. I feel like the only way to succeed is like trying to be Germany in WW1 and surviving all the fronts at once.
As soon as one piece drops, it threatens to pull the entire table cloth off and everything with it.
When people tell me to just think positive to stop being depressed I tell them to just "think sober" when they're drunk.
Alcohol isn't created by thinking so you can't think yourself sober, however...
@@MrRai101 Are you forgetting something called neurostransmitters? Why do you think a meth head gets giddy? Dopamine. Why do you think they crash? Resulting LACK of dopamine.
Our thought process is HIGHLY influenced by chemicals in the brain just the same. I don't need to pull up a science article to prove that one.
@@phyrr2 I'm not disputing people may have chemical inbalalances that can affect there bodies in different ways but If someone has a chemical inbalance that affects there dopamine levels then why would this imbalance affect their thought processes? Or if low dopamine could trigger someone into negative thinking, surely once recognized this can be countered? Science is currently flawed because it doesn't understand consciousness/awareness. Your happiness doesn't come from chemicals or neurotransmitters. your happiness comes from your consciousness.
Well said. And you are somebody
i fucking hate the most when my family tells me. there are people out there who are much worse off than you. be greatful what you have.... they don't understand what depression is like.
I've made a small step of progress... I've gone from waking up in the middle of the night and saying, "God, don't let me wake up in the morning..." to, recently, the past couple nights, "God help me...". Doesn't sound like much but I'll take it. The worst is faking a "great personality" maybe on the job, and then having that day where u can't even stir up that energy and u end up seeming bi polar to the people u "faked" to/for so long. That's what i really hate...The days u cant fake for everybody else, but also can't "go hide" until it hopefully passes.
It's a marathon not a sprint, you never get over depression you just learn too live and deal with it better.
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"God, help me" is a wonderful, effective prayer. I would suggest that you start a journal in which you write down ways you see God answering that prayer. A gratitude journal can be helpful to look back upon during the battle with depression.
I hope that you have progressed to the point now to where you say, God thank you for giving me a wonderful day today! And when you say that every morning and every night day after day week after week soon you will truly be thankful for having a wonderful day! I wish you and all who read this many blessings!
Damn I relate to the fake it still you make it bipolar ish tendencies. Lol i feel like I'm a different person wearing a different mask while acting out scenes of my life every damn day, like a fake, like a phony. Like an actor. But actors can act as many different people and I can't even do me. It's like groundhog day where every day is the same but even on that movie each replay of the day was slightly different and there for more exciting than my current agoraphobic life that is the exact same experience every single day.
The major turning point for me this weekend was when I finally truly realised, feelised and understood that I'm sick. My brain has a sickness that is causing me to feel this way. I'm not unlovable or ugly or worthless or worthy of death I'm sick I'm suffering from something that isn't a choice it's not my fault that I feel this way and I feel a sense of empathy for myself I can't explain it. I was on the brink of suicide my son is only 9 months old. My relationship failing. Having nightmares of people dying every night and crying myself to sleep with dispair. All my school years were devastating with ADHD, my work life devastating. My entire youth was a blank blur of nothingness I can barely remember anything. I remember sleeping for days on end and I would sometimes manage to get up to the bathroom and drink some water from the tap just to almost remain alive then back to the bed in a kind of sleepless sleepy state of this feeling of never ending prepetual dread . I called the police on myself at 18 and I remember saying to the police on the phone than If they don't come to my home now I'm going to kill myself I felt unsafe and alone. I beat myself all my life I genuinely believed I was a nobody unworthy of love and affection and value and that everyone I know would be genuinely better of without me being here. I spent 4 years as a cocaine addict that was even more dreadful that could ever be conveyed with word's. I realised tonight, that I am sick and this Literally isn't my fault. I thought I was a weak beta male and that I was not man enough to handle life I tried the gym I gained muscle but couldn't stick it out I'd be in the gym and just walk out and go home and cry, I'd watch videos about changing your mentality, spirituality, god , the Bible, diet, vegan, carnivore, keto, fasting I've been down every avenue and nothing worked I assumed I was a weak beta male that was overly emotional so that then made me resent and hate myself and devalue myself even more. After trying everything but medication I realized I am sick . I never took meds because I know all about the pharma industry and the lies , deciet and curuption and I was medicated with ritalin like a zombie as a kid in the early 2000s and if you know you'll know how horrible that stuff was and teachers were not trained to understand children with ADHD so I was treated like I was in 1979 and left to rot and outcast. Still not driving at 25, nothing to show for myself and all This time I was highly intelligent people always loved me but I could never see any worth in myself. Tonight I realize I finally truly understand that I am sick and I feel a sense of love for myself I've never felt before. I hope this is the start of recovery
How're you doing
I have depression and I get disappointed every time I wake up.
Same
IS GOOD KNOW THAT BUT AS Y KNOW Y CAN FIGHT AGAINST
.I SUFFER FROM DEPRESSION AND I KNOW.. AND I START THE MORNING WITH BEST SONG .. THEN I GO OUT...JUST DO NOT STAY IN...MOVE AND DO SOMETHING Y ONLY Y R THE PERSON WHO CAN FIGHT IT AND Y CAN DO SOMETHING...ABOUT IT
God i hate that feeling.. i used to wake up half disorientated and partially positive then just impeding doom and disappointment. Its been a while now since ive had that feeling and ive wheeled myself off my antidepressants now for 6 months. I hope you can beat it.
You have depressed feelings, you don't have depression.
Have you tried the diet that Jordan is suggesting?
I can here the pain in his voice
Green Bay.... hear you mean....
Yeah you could see the emotional journey he went through seeing his daughter going through what she did. Really poignant
Sorrow is a cousin of knowledge and understanding. They go hand and hand
I can sea the spelling misteak.
I can hear the pain of your inability to spell simple words like “hear.”
Very important for anybody who is fighting a depression:
(This is my story and some tips based on my experiences struggling with a depression. In some or most cases, medicinal threatment is inevitable. When a psychiatrist determines it is necessary based on his knowledge and conclusions, he will prescribe medication! Therefore I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist but only trying to be of support :))
-Try to go outside into the sun as much as you can and talk out loud! To yourself, to others, to animals or even a tree.
-Try not to deny bad feelings or to ignore them because they want you to feel the pain. It doesn't sound jolly but to fight the pain we must see, feel and define the source of the pain.
-Beside that nature can also help out as it is a very powerful healer as in vegetables and fruit but also as in being in nature yourself!
I have experienced a couple years of depression. It felt worse then any physical pain and after a couple years of being bullied and depressed, i desided that i dont want to live anymore like this. I tried to commit suicide by setting myself on fire. My mom was at home and she managed to safe me from the flames and the smoke and she wore me out of the burning house. In the front yard she told me that she would be oke with my decision of thats the only thing that would bring me peace. But i replied 'NO im going to stay'
Paramedics, firefighters and policemen arrived AFTER the journalists arrived who were already making pictures and video's of the scene (basterds). I was taken to hospital for the 3rd degree burns on 75% of my entire body. A lot of pain, and worse; the itch.... itchy skin is a lot worse then pain i can tell u that. But all this compared to the pain of depression is like comparing a house cat with a tiger. It took me over a year and a half to recover physically from this event...
THOUGH IT TOOK WAY LONGER TO RECOVER FROM THE DEPRESSION!!
And still 10 years later my fight isn't over as it comes to taking my responsability to keep focussed on the positive side and bear my bad feelings/experiences. I can proudly say that i have a purpose and a goal now to live for but that doesn't mean that the 'evil demons' in my / our heads just give up. Keep your back straight as Jordan already mentioned and stay focussed :)
Goodluck to all who struggle with depression and don't forget that although it might not feels like it you're never alone!!!
not every kind of depression had the same solution; lot of them need medicine
Wietep
Agree with you, but only if you have mild depression, otherwise the sun won't cure it. Simply because you just stay inside the house
Hello Ibnziyad & Lorenzo:
I totally agree on you both because medicinal threatment is inevitable in some cases, well maybe even in most cases as far as I know.
When a psychiatrist determines it is necessary based on his knowledge and conclusions, he will prescribe medication!
I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist so therefore I don't want to give people wrong advice or ideas about what people must/should do.
Also i am going to change the first phrase/sentence of my story to prevent people from having incorrect interpretations and misunderstandings.
Beside medicinal threatment I can personally recommend to try out the things I described in my story and lucky for me I didn't need the medication at all. My psychologist suggested it though, but i decided to try without first. The reason for that are the possibilities of tremendous negative side-effects of the medication.
Thanks all for reactions and thanks for all the likes nevertheless its not always an easy and positive subject to speak about in general.
Keep your back straight and as the Dutch people say: "Don't turn your heart into a murder pit". It might not make any sense at all in English but it means that you have the right, and you should always use your right to talk about what moves your heart. If u keep it inside, your heart will become a 'murderpit' of unprocessed sufferings/bad feelings .
Actually i hope there is a better saying for this in English so please feel welcome to help me out here lol. In Dutch it might sound nicer in the end.
Greetings from the Netherlands! W
@@FlikkieFloekieFlakkie yea i understand, you're advices are great, i just wanned to point that out in case someone tried and it didnt work, peace
@@TheTariqibnziyad sure bro always appreciate to have people being aware! take it easy!
I always know when my depressive phases are potentially about to start - I find myself feeling very nostalgic about my happier childhood years and how I almost wish I were a child again, back in time, without a care in the world. Not because it was more fun, or I had less responsibility to deal with, but because I simply never got down about anything and my mind wasn't filled with regret. I miss that feeling.
But I've got much better at stopping myself from pining about my (what felt like) Utopian childhood years. Of course, the reality is they weren't Utopian at all; just much simpler. Up until the age of around 13/14 that is, when things started to change for me.
I am in a similar situation. Sudden bout of depression with anxiety. Romanticising the past and a deep longing to go back to those years that were filled with joy. The truth is we ignore all of the negatives we experienced even during the so called golden years. If we actually went back in time and relived those experiences I think we would be quite shocked that it wasn't as glorious as we thought.
I’ve wrestled with anxiety and depression most of my life. My mother passed recently and I want to say thank you to all of you for sharing your stories. I’m so moved by everyone encouraging a spirit of courage and gratitude. Life can be extremely difficult and it is rarely fair, but I am wildly grateful for the time I got to spend with my mother. She was an amazing woman of kindness and love and she would be happy to know that people like you are doing their best to pick up their burdens and create meaningful, love-filled lives.
“The opposite of depression is not happiness. It is vitality.”- Andrew Solomon
One of the best pop definitions I've heard for depression is that it's "the belief in one's helplessness". If you can get a person with depression to feel less helpless, then I believe you can get them on track to relieving their depression to some extent.
The quality of this video is amazing. It's like dr. Peterson is coming out of my computer screen, the definition is so high. Wonderful!
Thank goodness for this wise compassionate man!
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@@Jman42576 So you don't agree with that he says on this video? You think he's lying about his daughter etc? Whats the point of your comment, no one is 100% good or 100% evil (well, maybe psychopaths) but you get my point.
@@Alleyezonjimz My point has nothing to do with this video, good or evil. My point is, he has a lot of obsessive followers who watch intelligent videos of him, yet neglect to dig deeper and see that he's actually pretty fucking insane and has said some right dodgy stuff. So I guess my point is, don't be a sheep, and don't take anything at face value. I've enjoyed videos where he has "owned" people and dismantled arguments, but I still don't worship him, because I've seen who he really is in other videos. In fact, I'd love Christopher Hitchens to be alive today, just to see him slaughter him in a discussion.
@@Jman42576 Okay, you made a good point, and I agree you shouldn't take every word that comes out of a person as the truth, however as you said he is very intelligent and right about alot of things he speaks about I believe, not everything though, of course. "Pretty fucking insane" is a stretch though, he's a human, just like you and me and there will be things we don't agree upon.. I do believe he wants to do good things in this world, he doesn't have a secret agenda, this is just who he is.
@@Alleyezonjimz Well.. watch the video I linked. "Pretty fucking insane" is putting it lightly.
When I suffered with depression, as soon as I became aware that I was in a dip, or vortex as I used to call it, I would always use the same system to get myself out. I would take a bath, wash my hair, do a face mask (feeling physically comforted was an important step for me), eat something, go for a walk, have some tea in a local cafe, if possible, and then go home to do some housework or work at my desk. It took me a while, and these simple actions didn't resolve the underlying cause or trigger the depression (I used counselling for that), but it got me out of the vortex and gave me a sense that I was not entirely incapacitated by the depression. I also used art - painting abstracts with whatever colours represented my mood. I was very strict about that. I used to date the pictures and put them away. After a few weeks, I would take them out, put them all side by side in date order, and then look at how my mood had changed. The first time I did this, I could not believe the change that I saw. I realised this was physical evidence of my progress. That alone had a major impact on my ability to believe I could heal.
I live your ideas. Thank you I will definitely try them. All the best🤗
Excellent ideas about the painting, thanks. I too paint abstract according to my moods and there are so many now I don't know what to do with them. Some friends wanted a few. I wish I had dated some (I did date a few, I'm very inconsistent) to put them side by side to see mood changes. I will going forward for sure - thank you.
God, thank you for bringing Dr. Jordan Peterson into this world.
And his parents obviously - they played a significant part in forming this man.
God bless you and your daughter!
jordan peterson is a light of hope for all of us depressed one.
I've been suffering from depression for 9 months now and he hits the nail on the head. I've found my inspiration, thank you.
One of the best descriptions of clinical depression I've ever come across
I agree with his daughter. I'd trade depression for all the physical pain in the world. Depression is unbearable. One can learn to live with physical pain, as I have.
Ive been depressed for such a long time that I do not know what it is to feel normal anymore. I can recall feeling normal once, around 8 years ago, but that didnt last long. It makes it harder to describe what depression really is because it is my standard feeling. But I do know that when it gets worse, its much harder to get out of bed, and everything is much more exhausting... I am jealous of people who are actually normal.
You need the correct treatment that works for you.
how are you now ?
Sad to hear that this special man and many in his family suffered /suffer so much. May God bless them with healing.
As someone suffering from depression for years, I must say that this is probably the best, incredibly honest, most encouraging and also uplifting video about depression I've ever seen.
You can tell how proud he is of his daughter and I know all the comments are about the pain of depression but his love for his daughter is what stood out the most for me
I wish I could have someone like him in my life.
Like right now. I am dying. 😥
As difficult as it is Shakir, keep putting one foot in front of the other.
Keep fighting. You're stonger than you know. And reach out to connect with people. We are nothing without others.
I know you feel like dying, I know how that feels, but never forget you are not alone and it only get better from here. It is not your fault , always remember that.
Just watch the videos and try something new.
Do you eat sugar?
Here Mr. Peterson, among other things, explains the simple idea that sometimes you need to take a certain path, however uncomfortable it may be, because it's objectively the best choice. And sometimes you must never forget that it just stays like that, it is still your best option. I'm very lucky not to have to experience that in such hard conditions, rather in everyday things or, at most, planning important stuff. Often I'm just surprised that people around me don't really understand that concept. And I'm not a very good explainer of things in my head, so I haven't really managed to change that fact.
Also, needless to say Mr. Peterson is a man who deserves immense respect for his labour which allowed him to be who he is despite undeniably very hard circumstances.
Depression is so terrible, I passed through one due to work and a crazy boss and turned to alcohol to resist. The day that I could leave that horrible work It looked like it was the happiest day of my life. And It was walking out of a job in the middle of the financial crisis in Spain -almost impossible to find another job but still I was so Happy...
"Get up because the alternative is worse" that's a good way to look at everything. It doesn't feel good but the alternative is worse!
Jessica Kelly every day that seems more untrue
Please don't watch this video and think what JBP is telling you is that you need to start giving someone with depression in your life the "bootstraps" talk.
I have a little understood chronic illness, which led to depression...and I have ALWAYS gotten the boot straps talk...it does so much more harm than just saying i don't understand.
I just realized, how big of an impact Jordan Peterson had done to my life. I may have just given up on life, but instead I am always still taking responsibilities, despite all that I have been through, despite all this thoughts, heaviness, depression. I still fight.
Thanks a lot Sir Peterson, you've taught me alot
Wow hearing what he went through with his daughter. This man knows what struggle and pain is.
Depression is the perception that everything is a hopeless struggle against entropy.
I have never seen such a high quality interview while still at 720p
Thank you to telling the story, even difference than mines. I’m grateful with my gratitude towards to you. You are absolutely beautiful and professional sons always within you. 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
A huge problem with dealing with depression is the feeling of defeat & apathy. Getting up in the AM & being determined to move forward is a wonderful idea. But what would a person do if they genuinely don't give a shit about what the coming day may bring? Feeling defeated & not caring one way or the other is no way to live.
I believe the most common cause of depression is the pain of loneliness.
I'm from the depths of loneliness. .
It’s hard to say honestly. I believe it comes from unmet needs
@@scottf5791 thanks for replying to my comment from two years ago. I forgot all about it and just noticed it again... I've learned new things about depression since then and therefore I agree with you 100%. Unmet needs can manifest in many ways (maslow pyramid of needs). Though either way, there's one thing all psychological/mental illnesses have in common; isolation (in an unhealthy way). Be it in a physical sense or in an 'absent minded' way. The more one isolates oneself, the worse the symptoms become. These symptoms of isolation manifest in a certain pattern, which we diagnose as e.g. depression, addiction, borderline etc.
@@JenWithThePen I just realized how old your comment is but yeah no problem and I hope I didn’t make it seem like I was disagreeing with you as the pain of loneliness is obviously a sign that a need isn’t being met. Something I can relate to. Yes isolation does not help one bit either. Hope all is well!
I know I didn’t find this channel on accident. Thank you for your expertise!
Lord bless you and your family.. Dr. JP is a blessing
Love you Jordan so much!
Great interview and great setting, good production man!
You know that you are depressed when the first feeling you have every morning after waking up is to literally disappear and not exist anymore.
I know the despair of depression. I’m reading about how to become more optimistic. It’s encouraging that optimism can be learned.
Jordan Peterson, great respect and admiration for you. It's wonderful how you were able to support and help your daughter.
To SAY "I'd rather have the arthritis than the depression" tells you A LOT. As someone who has gone through depression I now tend to think my mental health is more important than my physical health. Although they totally influence each other, but i have always had easier time fighting the problems with my physical health than my mental health.. With several years of education and trial and error I now know the diet and exercise are vital to keep me relatively ok mentally..
Andrej Kubík I totally agree with you. I was feeling lonely sometime and started recently working out more often. You can’t believe how that transformed my life.
What is offensive about this man? I'm serious..just good information all around.
marlene g I’ve asked the same question. A question which led me to find out who the hell was this JP that some people keep bashing. I’ve yet to see anything he’s written or said that doesn’t seem thoughtful and considered; regardless of my opinion. There is a lot of wisdom and experience here. Refreshing.
He is White
Personal responsibility is an inexplicable hot button topic.
He is the radical lefts worse nightmare. They don't want you to think for yourself. They want you to simply listen to their ideology and ask no questions. The thinking is "why do you need to think for yourself, we have already done it for you because we know better." And of course JBP is completely opposite of this line of thinking. Authoritative figures thru out history have never been kind to fiercely independent thinkers, as they are dangerous....
@@freeandcriticalthinker4431 see I dont think of him as left or right ideology. I am a lefty and I really love his wisdom.
The whole planet wants to talk to Jordan... guys a blessing
this video is so high quality, much better than most of his videos!
Always had a predisposition for depression, my mum passed away recently and I have been lost ever since
Ac Hajee :(
the Movie "Joker" introduced many of us, including me, to a kind of mental illness I did not really was aware of. I am talking about the so called "Pseudobulbar Effect" where he laughs uncontrollably when he gets nervous.
First I was amazed that laughter, something we usually consider a very positive thing, can be such a destructive mental issue. Then however I realized that basically everything can be an issue if it gets out of control. If you cant stop running, if you cant stop drinking (water), if you cant stop talking....hell I think even "love" can be devastating if you cant control or stop it.
Same is with depression. I once thought that depression was "unnatural" and that it should not exist in a healthy human being. However, after some research, I came to the conclusion that depression is as natural as pain and is a mechanic of the human body to indicate something.
That something can be a "unfulfilling life", a job that does you more bad then good, a relationship that harms more then benefits etc. I came to think that depression is basically a "mental pain" indicating a "wound" of the "soul".
It requires tending to just as you would tend to a physical wound. If not taken care of, it can fester and get worse and even has the capacity to terminate life.
Word of Caution: I am no Doktor nor in any health profession, these are just the observations of a "citizen". So you might wanna be careful before acting upon anything I say.
I've gone through depression, and I'd say you described it fairly well. I think some of the depressive episodes I've had are due to feelings of a correction needing made. The problem is that depression can cloud your judgment so badly that you can't see what correction is needed. You may think everything is fine and you have no right to feel depressed because other people have it worse than you. Even things you used to enjoy give you no satisfaction. It feels kind of like having a huge metaphorical hole in your heart, and you keep dumping things into it to fill it up, but it never gets full.
I think the one key thing to fixing it most of the time is growth and self-improvement. I think it's important to build a kind of internal "cheer squad."; an internal voice that gives you positive reinforcement. Something that always seems to accompany my depression is a feeling of stagnation or "standing still." It can be exceedingly difficult, but I think like Peterson said, the most important thing is to push yourself forward.
@@benjamincrew1949 Life is as much Pain and Suffering as it is Happiness and Well being.
A quote credited to Marilyn Monroe says, "If you cant handle me at my worst, you dont deserve me at my best". The same can easily be said about life.
Depression is unimaginable for those who have not experienced it. People think it is being sad all the time, but it is so much more than that and everyone experiences it differently. Sometimes, sadness is not even a symptom.
Jordan Peterson. This one is a life safer . Thank you very much.
i really love his rhythm, i don't really care what hes talking about but the way he speaks is like social music. so much so that he hosts a good thinking space for my own thoughts.
also the pot
Love Peterson, and have much respect for the interviewer. On Keto myself, but not quite ready to go full-carnivore.
... Jordan Peterson is amazing, in that, HE has, and is, and will, continue, to learn, that the only way to tackle a problem, is to confront it, head on, face to face, as much as is possible to do, and as positively, with no denial. That's it, that's all, ALWAYS...
the volume of videos of this guy is incredible. he must do multiple of these a day.
I’d just like to point out how good the camera that filmed this was
I went through several years of depression in my late forties with a viscous bout of arthritis (even though I was fairly successful in the arts). I thought my life was over. When I turned fifty I decided to ween myself off of destructive medication (including smoking) which made things worse. Then I decided to take responsibility for my life and keep fighting. I went back to university and acquired a degree (very difficult). I have now been depression free for ten years. My life is beautiful now.
Very cool
I've never been depressed thankfully
But I've had many friends that have and still do
I don't think I'll ever understand the feeling but when my friend is talking it hits me. I've never in my life met a person who has given up on life they say I help them when I talk to them so I'm glad about that.
So anytime someone is feeling down I want to help them and I will
Masterclass as usual Dr Peterson. Walking is how I cure my depression and helping and being nice to other's. I makes you feel good.
Jordan Peterson had a breakdown himself. His daughter gave an update on his channel. My prayers go out to him and his family.
I'm on the verge of ending it all. Watching JP videos again clawing for some hope.
Stay strong brother, you're not the only one.
Yo man, don't do anything stupid.
I lost my mom when i was 18, my dad lost the house because he made a lot of debt with his previous work and a lot of shit happend since then.
I had depression and social anxaiety since i was a kid.
Try the truffles or the mushrooms, they helped me a lot...especially with the anxiety, it's gone now i don't have it anymore.
Try them and don't do anything stupid please.
People are here for you. Please reach out
Hey Brian, I don’t know you of course but I have the same feelings from time to time. I just recently had a bad one and I was in a pretty dark place. I managed to pull myself out. I really hope you can find a way to do the same. Anyways, I’m the same as you man. I hope your ok bro. ✌🏽
Be safe bro
As someone who has dealt with serious spinal surgery and tremendous pain from that, I can still say I would rather deal with a tremendous physical pain rather than the wounds of my past that cause incredibly painful depression at times. Great interview here.
This was so powerful. Particularly the part where he described how his daughter had said that if given a choice between getting rid of her autoimmune condition or her depression, she'd choose to get rid of the depression. I've felt the exact same way, as someone who has Type 1 Diabetes and OCD/general anxiety. If given the choice to get rid of one, it'd be anxiety. Hands down. People think I'm crazy when I say that. So although I haven't experienced real depression, I can definitely understand the position.
its an overall feeling of total dread. A feeling of "oh im fucked" but not nervous. More like a constant unconfortable state.
Basically its a feeling of nervous mixed up in a soup of hopelessness along with no confidence
Are you feeling better?
Depression also runs in my family, myself, my mother and grandmother all have it, and for that reason (amongst other things) I have no intention of having children. It is like living in your own personal hell and I can't justify bringing another person into the world just to experience that as well.
Man that is something i think too..but if i better my diet and make exercise into my routine and reading books and hanging out.. May be i can stop it for my future kids... We need to have our own families to be happy..i think
Luke same here. Lost both my grandpas to suicide, every family member has attempted suicide. I decided to have no kids.
I could not take care of them and I don‘t want them to suffer from depression as well.
Same. At best I would be a kinda crappy mother, at worst it would damage them for life, and I could not bear the thought of handing this mental torture down genetically. Some people love to say that not having kids is selfish. A few I've talked to even seem to believe that having kids would have snapped me out of depression like some kind of miracle drug (Sure, that really worked for my parents, and theirs before them. *eye roll*).
I think the most rational and selfless thing a person can do is consciously choose not to bring more suffering into this world. It's probably the only thing I can look back and be proud of myself for. If I ever truly free myself of this madness, which is looking doubtful after decades of it, there are plenty of suffering children seeking adoption.
J B I feel you! And I think the societal pressure to have kids is even bigger for women than men.
Even I as a man get the „once you have one everything will be different“.
And I agree, it‘s the opposite of selfishness. To make that conscious decision that one might not be able to be the mother or father one wants to be. On the other hand I think JBP is despite his own depressions a great father. After all he is for so many of is the role model, the fatherfigure we wish we had. And his daughter turned out great.
@@TripleDDDD Tbh, I wasn't, in general, a big fan of JBP coming into this video, but he has my respect for this. People with mental illness fail without support and his daughter, although unfortunate in here suffering, is lucky to have good support.
Also, to be clear, I didn't mean to imply that everyone with a mental illness needs to forego having kids, only that it's the right choice for some and should be supported in those cases.
JP. GOD bless you and your family. You are an inspiration to me and millions of us who believe in basic truths.
I used to think about putting myself into a coma and waking up 20 years later. Can you imagine waking up, 40 years old. The flowers everyone brought you over the years have turned to grey, and sometimes your mother comes to check on you. Imagine that. That’s the most vicious form of depression... and I can say that I’ve inherited it. It’s constant death.
I wish interviewers would learn how to phrase their questions in fewer than a thousand words.
Burntsider: Sadly a lost art had by few. Many like to hear themselves speak or have not clearly thought out proper framing of query prior to interview.
Look into Tyler Cowen or Peter Robinson for efficient questions.
I dunno I think it created a nice pace to the interview. I don’t think phrasing a question as succinctly as possible is always the best course of action. It can make it feel like an interrogation at times.
A longer question might be better in my opinion. Not just lazily "Talk about depression", but setting an angle which the interviewee can take or leave but he'll get more accurate idea of what the interviewer is asking.
A lost art indeed.
My male parent (thats the most respect he will get from me) abhors depression and declared it a failure of character long ago. Not good for lots of aspects of my life. He's vicious about anything that even comes close to looking like depression... How Mom survived living with him for so many years after we lost my brother is beyond me, it really saddened her permanently . I didnt live with them and I still had MANY years of fighting it and feeling the "disappointment" attitude he lorded over us both...made it last longer and made it harder to fight and deal with.
Ironically he now demands the attention and pity for his feelings after she passed away last year, but refuses to get help or even admit what he feels. Wants all the focus while refusing to deal with the problem. Its like hes keeping himself sick to gain attention or something (keeps complaining about his bad hip but refuses to go to the doctor about it, so theres a physical component he's dragging out as well).
I have to walk away, i cant deal with his self centered dystopia, its like he relishes it and wants me wading through it too. I dont want an unhappy morbid life like that.
With counselling (which he derided when he found out I was getting "look what good it does you!") I constantly need to remind myself I can barely look after myself, i cant get involved in his self made problems and angers. There needs to be many more Jordan Petersons in the world...more ppl would be healthier for it.
Wonderful interview. The Delver wanted to know what Peterson thought, guided the interview, and elicited some hard, thoughtful discussion. Watch out BBC & NPR!
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As many of the commenters have said, depression is a word thrown around too easily. I believe many people are just unhappy in their current situation, and lack the motivation to better their situation.
The nature of life causes depression. I’ve had depression my whole life in varying degrees. Once to the point of madness and lunacy
The pain this man has endured in seeing his child suffer so much on emotional and physical levels-and despite his razor sharp tact in words, there is still that twinkle in his eye of a father’s love for his daughter. I have nothing but respect for Dr. Peterson. Perhaps, it would be wise to listen to him when he speaks of depression and other psychological phenomena.
I really resonated with this interview. I have suffered from depression for about 15 years now. it is very debilitating and has lead to a series of other problems in my life. one of the hardest things is no one seems to understand you. they scratch their heads as to why you feel the way you do and assume you are lying because you may look normal or even attractive. I smile a lot but there have been several times I wished I wasn't alive. These days I have two beautiful daughters. and when i see them very happy i get teary eyed because i hope they will never have to go through this disease
Just wanted to point out that there is so much love in your beautiful comment. Pace depression you are radiating with love. That gave me hope and even some joy! You are a valuable human being my love!
@@jonashjerpe7421 thank you honey, I often wonder why God keeps me alive when I want to die so badly. knowing I can give hope to anyone anywhere makes my pain have a purpose. thank you
Mr Peterson: your suits are excelent.
Pablo Quintanilla yes he has a skilful tailor
so handsome in those navy suits
Great interview. What is this filmed on?
Camera
the most beautifully articulated formulator of perspective