I Don't Like Peri. [Support Science #4] Fire Emblem Fates
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Xander telling girls they have aspects befitting of a queen is just his way of getting in their pants.
He always pulls the "Crown Prince" card, lol.
Xander: Hey Nix! I see you have all the qualities of a queen! And I don't say that to every girl.
Nix: Really!?
Xander: Hey Mozu! I see you have all the qualities of a queen! And I don't say that to every girl.
Mozu: Really!?
Xander: Hey Peri...
Is it?
It's like that parody of a line from JFK that was like "Ask not what you can do for your president, but rather if your president can do you"
Admittedly Xander wanting to get down with Peri would make her retainer position make more sense.
"He's a criminal. A murderer and a scoundrel. I arrested him myself, years ago." - Xander, towards Hans.
"I think you might make a fine wife... and a future queen of Nohr, at that." - Xander, towards a LITERAL SERIAL KILLER.
*Xander towards a cute serial killer
Flannnel Canon lore since when??? I never got to see this was this in the Japanese game???
Because damn Iago and Hans having some semblance of morality??? Gold star for the both of you
+Flannnel
Those character descriptions sound really awesome if they wouldn´t stand against their actions throughout the whole game:
Like Hans trying to kill Corrin because he got ordered to. For the rest of the game his actions were all going into the direction of YEAH. SLAUGHTER.
Or Iago scheming his sadistic intrigues who are ordered by king Garon with glee. Personally I have never seen any indications in Iago other than being the poison spewing right snake arm of the king himself.
Like when they had to slay down the revolution. If Iago had to shed a tear when he executed their leaders, he hid it well.
But again, like I said, sounds awesome.
+Flannnel I really want a source on that.
Flannnel sauce pls
I think that they should have wrote that Garon made Peri Xander's retainer, so if Garon decided he could have his son easily killed off.
I feel the exact same way.
WTF Your profile pictures O_O
*+Captain Karnage* The problem is that at the time, Garon was himself and not a slime monster. Only after becoming Anankos' puppet would the man agree with offing his offspring…
garon was a slime monster from before elise was born, and a lot of retainers were there for a short time before fates like the awakening kids, so it wouldn't be out of the question that there would be an oppurtunity at some point for garon to make peri a retainer
So you're saying ChuChu Garon gave birth to Elise? Uh-oh!!!
Henry was bloodthirsty, but as he says himself, he still knows right from wrong.
hi Rezzy
Captain Karnage
Hello, what's up?
+Rezzy watching the "important videos" playlist.
Captain Karnage
I've been following Ghast's randomized FE7 run, but the last video is 5 and a half hours, so I don't know if I'll ever have enough time to watch that.
The fact that he still kills for his own enjoyment REALLY doesn't make his character look good though.
You missed perhaps the most stupid support of all: in her Silas A support she learns to stop killing people by working out with Silas daily. The actual explanation given is that she just needed an outlet, and somehow nobody ever figured that out the entire time she was in the military.
Miller Sartori lol
Yep
My favorite outlet for excess energy is cold-blooded slaughter.
Chris Check and don’t forget torture of your enemies as they violently scream in pain!
i blame the localization and the disjointed support-storywriting
I like how Leo and Perris support boiled down to
Perri: Im gona kill people
Leo: Dont kill innocents, im gona marry you so you dont kill innocents
Leo took that L for humanity
Imanity
All the homies love Leo
@@cuddlebug9699 no it’s humanity
@@skillshare385 you're goddamn right
If Xander did background checks on his retainers, he would never have put Laslow on as his retainer, because there is no background of Laslow in Nohr.
But Laslow was chosen for his skill, I believe. Still, it would be logical to not have him there, as he's a total mystery--as far as Nohr is concerned.
anime fantasy123 Camilla is just horrible in general. The only reasonable retainers in conquest is Elise. I don't understand why Leo would have Niles and Owain
Ultimateweeboo if I remember correctly niles because of his espionage skills and Odin because Leo kept giving him impossible tasks that Odin worked his ass off to complete
Well, that’s because it was Garon who appointed him Xander's retainer
Unlike Peri, Xander didn’t choose Laslow himself, so he was kind of "stuck with him" because that’s what his father had commanded
@@morganhann6626 So would Garon have known what was really going on with Laslow (and Serena/Odin)?
Theory: Xander just has one of those pastel pink bsdm daddy dom kinks
True
Loooooooool
Another theory : Peri has latent psykic powers, which warps people and her own thought patterns and emotional dynamic, hence the break in character for the like of Xander and her inconsistant behavior.
The comment now has 699 likes. I just wanted to record that perfection.
I always thought that Peri should have been Camilla's retainer
It almost feels like IS displaced her when they shoehorned in Severa and all those other Awakening characters... Hm....
Peri should have been Garon’s third retainer. Mostly because she acts like Garon’s lost retainer.
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means then again, that would make it so Xander has two of the shoehorned awakening characters as his retainers, and I think they tried to spread them out between the Nohrian royals
Honestly I forgot she wasnt
I personally think Silas woudlve made a lot more sense as Xander’s retainer
I'd say Corrin is just as cringy as Xander and Leo in his treatment of Peri. Especially on Revelations, he goes from trying to explain the concept of mercy to Selkie to asking Peri to sweep her violent temper under the rug by baking goodies for everyone and saying that he'll just make sure to hire stronger servants when they marry. WHAT.
this doesn't make up for it, but I think Xander made Peri his retainer partially because of what was stated in game, and he probably was thinking "I can ensure she causes less harm if I keep an eye on her."
That's what I was thinking also; while their S-support is nonsense, I think C through A are best contextualized in the sense that he's trying to both keep an eye on her insanity, and perhaps even redeem her.
Why not just execute her, then?
Yeah, Xander seemed like the "I can fix her" type of guy
Xander: "i dont like murderers such as you, hans! Oh, hi, Peri"
Mentioning him made me realize, please eventually do a henry support science!
I'd be up for that
The problem with having characters change in supports is that suddenly, their battle quotes and the like stop making sense. For example, even if Charlotte marries a prince, she still complains about not being rich during other supports and some of her level ups.
let's be honest though, if support conversations changed based on other support conversations, that would be a bit too much for the developers.
megashadowbeast I know, trying and good writing is hard.
@@megashadowbeastSorry to revive an old thread but, well guess they finally learned how to do it lol
She is basically one of those bad creepypasta OCs
oOEvensenOo tbh, she's just a generic creepypasta fangirl emo
I am not
Ha
@@Finch_forgor yes you are
Nobody asked you
It's like they wanted girl Henry
But they made girl Hans
Only everyone acts like she's girl Henry
Except they missed the part where Henry ended up being a cool and like able character.
I had Fire Emblem Amino. There was no fanbase split, it was heaven
Naziro Then you're doing it wrong you enter a chat on Geneology of the Holy War and say modern fire emblem is better
ahh the Great Fire Emblem schism of 2013 its good to hear that it's been somewhat mended lol
Except the awakening weebs are pussies that can't handle an opposing view.
TheVectorSilver Like the others aren't weeb sh*t
What? I never said Awakening was weeb shit. I said there were awakening weebs that CAN'T handle another opinion. I said Future Diary sucks and a guy responded back "OH SO YOU CAN'T HANDLE AN OPINION" and immediately blocked me.
"To say Peri is Henry 2.0 is an offense to Henry" THANK YOU
Honestly, I feel like Peri was a huge missed opportunity. I feel like if she was written with more care, she could have been an interesting look into a morally corrupt character, or into a survivor of a very traumatic experience. It's a shame to see hints of something that could've been much better be so overshadowed by.. well, basically everything you went over here.
I feel like one minor, but very useful change that could have made much of the game better would have been making her Camilla's retainer instead, possibly swapping Beruka to Xander. I feel it would have made much more sense for Camilla to shine on Peri's skill in combat, and see beauty in her rather flamboyant and doll-like style. I could picture their support starting comedic with their shared trait of killing with little to no care, but grow into Camilla taking an almost motherly role to make up for the mother Peri lost, and teaching her to kill for those important to her, to put her skill in combat for a greater good.
It's a small potential step, but I feel like it would have lead to many other changes for the better. Xander having a support with her outside of Peri being his retainer could have lead to a more direct approach over her lack of morals in killing others, and possibly have allowed him to break through to her and lead towards efforts in changing. That's what I would hope for, anyways.
And yeah, Leo's support with her honestly needs to be scrapped and rewritten from the ground up. I can't see any salvaging that mess.
100000% agreed.
This is such a better idea !
I think the writer made peri too much of a yandure.i think the writer should have made her a little more mature and Xander know about her childhood before giving her the position
Nope
I was thinking that too. Peri definitely looks like someone Camilla would take as a retainer.
What baffles me is how people actually try to _defend_ her actions. However, I will give IS this: We certainly won't be forgetting Peri anytime soon.
That's the thing about Peri - I really like her even though I SHOULD be absolutely repulsed. Don't know how it works, probably not taking characters too seriously helps a lot. Yay violence!
Well:
1. Shitty localization
2. She has a severe mental trauma that her own father intentionally enabled so it's not like she's FEH Tharja cruel on purpose. She just cannot tell right from wrong and I'm glad Lazlow/Niles and to some extent Keaton tried helping her get over it. Oh and anyone who says Tharja is best girl is a filthy degenerate. Thats facts.
3. She got better.
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means Nobody is saying that her actions are "easily justified", I don't know what you're taking about. While I will defend Peri, even I can admit that her actions of killing just for fun or to "punish" people who upset her is NOT a justifiable way to act. She's unhinged, and that is made quite clear by her interactions with other characters through her supports with them; and while many people like to lump her in with Iago and Hans, unlike the 2 of them, she IS shown to have some semblance of redeeming qualities about her, including how she follows Corrin's orders to NOT kill their enemies in-story. This alone shows that despite her love of violence and bloodshed, she is able to tone it down when she needs to, and it's even able to be seen in most of her supports, as she often will not try to harm anyone who she converses with, with the obvious exception being Felicia, and even then, it's hardly difficult to see why she treated her this way. Having said that, and this video says that it reflects badly on Xander to have her as his retainer, due to her love of violence, and claims that he chooses to turn a blind eye to her more violent tendencies, but I highly doubt this is the case: given he had been working alongside her, he likely learned that she has a bad habit of killing people for no reason in particular, and he more than likely had her punished to help to get her to not just kill others in the Nohrian army, which might explain why she does not try to (again, the sole exception being with Felicia).
Peri is the biggest disappointment, she doesn't even produce offspring with the cool hair
Kryptnyt the hair was the only reason I paired her up in my play through, got so disappointed when it didn't inherit xD First world problems...
child units dont get the hair? :(
only the blue, I guess it makes "sense" but she's the only character who dyes her hair apparently so none of the pink which upset me more than it needed to
imagine soleil with pink-tipped blue hair. would probably be better than her canon pink hair (not sure if she gets that from anyone. felicia maybe? i had elise paired up with takumi and kiragi somehow got his canon silver hair)
edit: managed to mix up kiragi with forrest
@@Underworlder5 Soleil has pink hair as a reference to her paternal grandmother, Olivia from awakening
Xander: I can fix her!
Laslow: No, you can't...
Xander: Okay, but I can prevent her from getting worse
I feel like peri is there to accentuate a very hidden detail about the nohrian royal family: every single one of them is, in one way or another, mentally disturbed, which I'm assuming is due to the blood of the dusk dragon flowing in them. its most obvious with camilla, as she is hands down a psychopath on peri's level, only that she uses these psychopathic tendencies not to slaughter innocencent, but those that in some way threaten her, especially younger, siblings, most notably corrin, and very clearly has a mother-complex (though thats probably due to her own mother using her for her advantage rather than the blood of the dragon). leo on the other hand just completely lacks empathy. its very clear from the prologue that leo would have had no problem with killing the defenseless kaze and rinkah and only didn't do so because he knew it would upset his sibling corrin. with elise its not so much any violent tendencies, but the fact that she is completely, and I mean COMPLETELY, detached from reality, even more so than sakura. to her, all is well with the world as long as she can be with her siblings, no matter if any wars are going on or what have you. lastly, we come to xander, who, due to being the crown prince of nohr, has to keep up appearences and hence seems like an upstanding, just royal on the surface, but truth be told he is a person who divides the world in purely black and white, as seen when he immediately calls corrin a traitor and actively tries to kill him/her, and, once he has taken a liking to a person, tends to straight up ignore every negative aspect of that person as seen with camilla or peri.
TheMike0088 You make a pretty good point.
I agree with every point except Elise, in part because of her age and in part because of her actions in Birthright.
@@4Tom4lepus4 Speaking of Birthright, she's not the only one to ultimately come around; Xander is the only one who does NOT. Leo admits that he couldn't bring himself to truly hate Corrin, and the first comment here said that he lacks empathy, when the example he uses of him sparing Rinkah and Kaze shows the exact opposite of that. Camilla may turn extremely violent when Corrin sides with Hoshido, but even as far back as the first time she's fought in chapter 13, when Corrin attempts to explain why s/he is fighting for Hoshido, Camilla actually takes some time to chill out and listen for a moment before Leo convinces her that she is being tricked. As for Xander, he never wanted to hurt Corrin, but as crown prince of Nohr, he couldn't just not fight for his country, since he would've been considered a traitor by his people if he didn't, and Garon would've likely killed him if he refused; it's even confirmed in Conquest that he would do so to any of his children if he felt they were acting out of line. I actually heard one reviewer say that he thought that Elise's death by his hand would be the one thing that could make Xander go against Nohr and his father in Birthright, but in saying this, he clearly missed the part about how one of Xander's most defining characteristics is his love for his family: it's a big part of the reason why he was willing to go along with Garon's evil deeds, as he hoped that his father would return to the way he used to be after this was finally all over, and when he killed Elise accidentally when she jumped in front of an attack meant for Corrin, he couldn't live with the burden of guilt that would plague him for the rest of his life knowing that he killed his own sister, and this would've been compounded if he DID choose to side with Hoshido as was suggested in that video
That makes sense but still xander would have to be stupid to have peri as his retainer
That's a pretty terrible read on Leo, since he actually is very empathetic towards many of his support partners, if also rude and tactless.
She's Harley Quinn without the depth of character.
so harley quinn in most stories outside of the original show and injustice
She was fearless
and crazier than him
she was his queen
and God help whoever dared disrespect his queen.
Did anyone else get this out of Xander and Peri's support?
Also in the supports with Jakob and peri,the game makes it seem like her being able to cook makes her a deep character. No,I’m not kidding.
Well it definitely makes her waifu material even compared to the Terrible Cook Trio from, say, Persona 4.
The only correct moral choice is to get Peri killed in her recruitment chapter.
RangerJackWalker Savage af
RangerJackWalker I prefer to marry her
I bench her as soon as I get her.
RJWalker So who is the most awful between Peri and both Krises?
No, don't!
She needs to survive so I can take her Killer Lance and give it to Clair. Clair could use a Slaying Lance+.
It's hilarious to me that the writers couldn't come up with anything that Xander could see as attractive in Peri character-wise, so they gave him generic, empty lines like "I like the kind of woman you are" and "I love everything about you".
I like Peri as a unit, but as a character? Yeah, she's fairly inconsistent and broken.
Owen Kennedy That pretty much sums her up as a unit with Galeforce.
Owen Kennedy Peri as a unit is okay imo. it's way too much optimising for my tastes
really? Cuz I don't even like her as a unit. I found her too slow and squishy in both conquest and revelations playthroughs.
As a person who skipped Fates and saw her in Heroes, it's kinda a shame. I kiiiinda like her design (but in Fates, I'd agree she doesn't fit the world she lived in). Also she does suck in Heroes so 100% of the time she ends up donating Glimmer, Threaten Defense and/or Killer Lance.
If you compare Peri to Henry, you're insulting Henry - best character, best father, and still moral character - THEN FIGHT ME.
Calling anyone from awakening a “best father” aside from robin and Chrom is just flat out wrong. All the fathers have the exact same child supports (with some slight differences) as every other father. The only fully unique father supports are Chrom and Lucina, and Robin and Morgan. So unless you’re talking about one of those, no one in awakening can be “best father”
@@samloyd9287 unless you take it stat wise
JECC Even then, Henry is meh. The only mage children are Laurent (the worst child unit in Awakening), Brady, and maybe Noire if you reclass her. And since 2/3 of them have no galeforce access, Henry makes a good father to just Brady.
Henry and Peri are just kinda awful, I’m not gonna explain why I just don’t like them, it’s everything about them.
Not stay wise Henry is bad
"Peri's only crime is failing to kill Felicia"
- Some GameFAQS shitposter
Louis Prieto We've got trouble!
Wow, "[I] Didn't expect that didja?"
Does anyone remember Endgame? He was a pretty funny guy (who also coined the hilarious term "Cowmilla") and he used to troll on GameFAQs quite a bit.
used to? I haven't personally been to the fire emblem boards in a little while, but i believe he still does, just not as much
Hahahah I know. Also EndgamexLissa. Is the true OTP
Fanservice is a helluva drug.
Peri is finally, properly developed in a conversation in an unreleased DLC when Soleil is her daughter. Us poor Westerners will never get to see her evolve as a character.
When did this happen?
Festival of Bonds DLC. Only in Japan, and there's been no word of a Western release.
Just marry her off to Laslow to see her develop. The best support in the game since Laslow is the only one that actually addressed her issues.
she's also more developed in her support conversations with silas (mostly a and s rank conversations), and she's clearly calmed down a lot in comparison to c and b rank conversations with silas.
STILL THE BEST 1973 Her support with Laslow is one of my favorites.
You say Xander would look into his retainers’ histories... yet we have Laslow
Okay... I am not at all what I would call a fan of Peri, but I don't think quite enough is being given to what IS good about her. For one thing, I think you totally glossed over certain parts of her backstory, including the most significant person who shapes her character, outside of her mother's killer-- her father. The fact that her dad not only turned a blind eye to her murdering of servants, but also does not even bother to teach her any sense of morals, is a keystone event of her childhood that informs her current character. Peri is an adult stuck with the mindset and behavior of a small child, because she was never challenged, disciplined, or forced to change. She was freely allowed by her father, the only authority figure in her life, to carry on with her reckless and immoral behavior, and-- here's the thing-- was never told that this was WRONG, as we see in her supports with Laslow, Leo, etc. Her development is a tragic snowballing of a lack of discipline and authority figures in her life to TEACH her the morals that she so desperately lacks, furthered, no doubt, by how terrifying the notion of a murderous little girl-- then teen-- then adult must be. By the time Peri meets and interacts with anyone who MIGHT be responsible enough to help her learn how she SHOULD act, she's so far gone, so far stuck in the moral mindset of a vengeful, spoiled little child, that people feel intimidated, like helping her seems not only too difficult, but understandably dangerous. Peri is a victim of a highly neglectful childhood, and the only reason she's remotely funcitonal in a society such as Nohr's is her penchant for murder, which the army seeks to exploit.
HOWEVER, she DOES display the capability to learn the morals that she was never taught, as displayed in Laslow's supports with her. In a case such as hers, the right approach is tantamount to progress, and Laslow hits the nail on the head by using her mother to help her understand and learn empathy, a concept that's otherwise totally foreign to her-- but NOT one that she's unreceptive to. Does she resist when people try to teach her morals? Absolutely, and it's clear that she is resistant when it comes to change, since she's gone so long in her life without needing to do so-- she's very much stuck in her ways to some extent, but NOT to the point that she is beyond redemption, and I think that that is what makes her... well, not GOOD, her supports are far too inconsistently written for that, but... better than you're giving her credit for. And one thing she DOES have over Camilla, since that comparison was brought up, is the capacity for change, however she might struggle with it... and I think that makes Peri a character who is, at the very least, passable.
Now I do definitely agree that her position as Xander's retainer is a discredit to Xander's character, there's no question of that. Her position in the story as Xander's retainer is undoubtedly the worst thing about her; it makes no sense with either her or Xander's established character and only serves to discredit everyone. (The only way I could buy Peri as Xander's retainer is if maybe Garon saw her fighting and assigned her to Xander personally, and then maybe Xander tried to take it upon himself to help her become a more morally-functional adult, but needless to say that would require a complete retooling of the two's supports. So I definitely don't think she's perfect lol.)
However, I don't think that ten minutes of the video needed to be dedicated to that. I understand that you don't LIKE Peri, and I'm not trying to persuade you to do otherwise (like I said, I don't like her that much myself), but I feel like there should be a certain... net, shall we say? Of objectivity that should prevent going on for so long about it, especially when a lot of it was just repeating the same points with slightly different wording.
As someone who saw and enjoyed the Camilla video, I feel fairly confident in saying you can do better than this one. It's completely fine to have opinions and dislike characters, but in an analysis such as this, characters deserve to be treated more objectively.
Okay hey, Camus- I mean Zeke- I mean Xander is in this video.
EclipsedSky I thought I heard mention of Sirius?
Personally Peri's got an interesting concept that failed due to the usual Fates writing dumpster. One of the core problems was that Xander was the one who chose Peri as his retainer rather then it being a choice by Garon, if she was placed in her role by Garon, it would have increased the dynamic of people being untrusting of her as they cannot truly understand why Garon chose her to be retainer at all. A second core fix to the character would be a non support based exposition as to her backstory that was only shunted into her Laslow support. This would allow other supports to use her backstory as a means of enticing her character development. Examples could include Leo finding her an interesting chance to study psychology and attempt to treat her problems, Arthur could easily be about trying to show her the meaning of what "justice" is over the twisted version imposed on her by her father's negligence surrounding the death of her mother, and Felicia could know about the trauma but attempt to help challenge it through exposure therapy, knowing full well she was risking her life by doing so.
Fates writers failed in that they seemed to want to avoid touching on her mental trauma for the most part, and played her more as the "childish psychopath" angle over reflecting what she truly was: A deeply traumatized individual who's method of thinking was twisted by her tragedy and her father's unwillingness to stop her from going down said path, and possibly even encouraging said behavior as his own means of striking revenge for his fallen wife.
Also let her put her hair down and let her children get the pink tips too please, that would look great on most child units except Dorkbert
In regards to Fates' S-support, I feel like you can't really take them as evidence since they seem VERY continuity breaking, forced, contrived, etc. C-A however are legit IMO.
Yeah, I think I'm shit too, to be honest.
Peri this
Maybe, but your hair is to die for.
Den Telos you missed the chance for a pun there. I know you tried to do it, but you didn't spell it 'dye', so it's not a true pun.
Peri lol
Peri don't say that about yourself. I like u.
I ... could see her and Xander’s relationship working more along the lines of Xander is actively trying to change her. Maybe Xander finds out about her, realizes she’s an open danger to everyone around her but being a nobles daughter he can’t just arrest her or the like. So maybe he makes her his retainer as more of a way to keep her on a tight leash and away from innocent civilians while he tries to hammer her into shape. Just a thought though.
That was pretty much confirmed in her and Odin's support convo.
It would work...but it would also make his S Support somewhat...uncomfortable.
“I shall fix your mind with the power of my penis! Holy crap, did that actually work?!”
@@v.emiltheii-nd.8094 It's also the reason why, in my opinion, she generally doesn't try to kill anyone in the army (Felicia not withstanding). Xander HAS to be at least somewhat aware of Peri's love of violence and bloodshed, and knows that she could be dangerous to those around her if she was allowed to keep on killing people unchecked.
Have you looked at Corrin's support with Peri? I mean, Male Corrin knows she kills servants and she was gonna murder people for giving her weird looks but instead of trying to understand why she's the way she is or how to help her to become more control of her blood lust, she just solves her own problems by making snacks and Corrin even support her blood lust by just hiring strong servants that wont die easily if she attacked them. Then cue Felicia & Peri support... : s This just makes Corrin look more like a hypocrite when the main point of Conquest is to end the war with as few deaths as possible, then marries someone who pretty much loves murder and soaking in a literal blood bath and could very well murder Felicia, someone who he considers family as well. Even when Peri has Kanna it doesn't seem like she stopped since the flower book mysteriously have blood at the end of the support. x -x
eh, corrin's shit anyway
Remake this game, Fix the story, remodel peri's personality.
Just remove peri
@@rigistroni no we must let her because if we don’t have her we could have even worst and her design is kinda good
I love the conquest cast. I love Charlotte I love Xander I love niles, Beruka, Benny, Elise, Leo etc.
however Peri is one of my least favorite characters in the entire franchise however and I've gotten to know every game that isn't Thracia 776 or Gaiden. Peri makes me cringe so hard. I honestly can't stand her.
Everyone in Gaiden has a better character than Peri. The bad thing about that is, they have no character xD.
lmao. A flat character is much better than an objectively bad character. From what I've heard from my friend (who's favorite game is Thracia 776) Lifis is the only character he hates.
True. Lifis is the thief right? If so, I didn't like him either. Lol
EclipsedSky iirc yes
Sumguy I always liked her but I think it's kind of funny how an assassin who's supposed to be stealthy and accurate rides a huge wyvern and uses the least accurate weapon (but still the best weapons #axesmasterrace)
I just assumed that Peri just died her hair in the blood of her enemies.
So blood is pink and/or blue?
light blue + red (blood) = pink
Nah man, magic fish dye.
Blood 'rusts' when it dries because of the iron in it.
(Sorry, I've read too many mysteries where they identify a bloodstain as fake because it hasn't faded to brown)
Danganronpa blood
can I share that Xander tolerating Peri's personality to have a good spot in his father's eyes?
I believe it is also mentioned that, while Xander picked his retainers, Garon had to approve of them
also, placing third or fourth in a fighting tournament without any formal training is actually really good.
it's a damn shame that that doesn't reflect in her stats too well
Meanwhile I married her because, like Xander, I thought she looked hot.
Ayyy, that makes two of us.
Henry Make that a total four.......some. Or is it a fivesome? No, Foursome, I'm not sharing.
flapjackxl What're you, gay? XD
Count me in there too!
Walumancer the Wahfather That's not what I meant.
Fates is a sad neutered mess of a fire emblem game that was clearly rushed. Saddens me because this game had so much potential.
Actually, having Peri as Garon's retainer would be pretty awesome
Seriously, why couldn't we have had your version of Peri? Having her as a recruitable enemy character makes much more sense, and she even shares an awkwardly-colorful palette as Hans anyhow. Despite the little affection I have for her, Peri could've made for an interesting character that broke a lot of the stereotypes and perceptions elsewhere within the army - especially on a Revelations route.
There's no good way to make every possible romantic pairing fit within a single vision of what each character wants in a spouse...but it would be nice if they hadn't just had Xander say every woman has aspects befitting a queen. Especially when they're a cotton-candy-haired female Joker.
You know ghast, I agree with everything you said, and I've actually rewritten Peri's character based on Post Conquest/Revelation. it's really hard, but it's doable if you love the character.
I still think that peri would be a better retainer for Camilla. And Selena would've been a retainer for Xander. I think that they decided to not have 2 of the awakening trio being retainers for the same person so they got swapped
For example having Camilla taking in Peri after learning of her mothers fate would make so much more sense. Camilla tries to replace the mother that Peri lost.
I thought Period was boring. She's a bit of a one trick pony. She just kills things. The only other things about her are being a good cook and having a dead mom.
Peri may actually be less likeable than Iago. That's one hell of an accomplishment.
I actually like Iago.
He was so teribble, but that made me laugh everytime I saw him.
Der Slendy The only reason I liked Iago was that I enjoy Shakespeare and saw Shakespeare's Iago from Othello in Fire Emblem's Iago
austin80112 At least Iago is laughably evil.
I just can't bring myself to hate the king of pop
Almost the majority S support feels horribly forced, so I guess it's hard to judge by those. Not just in Peri's case, but also for example Azama and Sakura or Niles and Azura.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I do not remember the source of this, but wasn't it said that Xander's former retainers died? So he recruited Peri because she's hard to cut down, given that she fought pretty decent without any preperation in the said tournament (?).
But still, she's a horrible character and is in the game for the people who like to put their dick in crazy. The only nice Peri moments are when she shows that (also boringly written) softer side of hers, mostly related to cooking.
NightaYuu what about her support with laslow
Actually according to Peri/Owain support she isnt as batshit crazy as she was as shes getting therapy from Xander. And dont get me started on the Lazlow one.
I feel like someone on the dev team just had to have Peri in the game. Like an executive's son wanted her or something.
When I first saw Peri and how she acted I literally thought she was Camilla's retainer. I thought basically the same things the video said when I found out she was Xander's retainer.
TH-cam comment
I know I’m commenting on a 3+ year old video, but I’m curious to hear what you think:
Peri being stupid, is an act. Peri crying and being childish, is an act. Peri is a psychopath. True psychopaths are masters at keeping up appearances, manipulating their victims and knowing how to get what they want.
When Peri wants to legit improve herself, she does it. When she doesn’t want to improve herself, she doesn’t. With Laslow, I feel like we get to see a mere glimpse of how intelligent and sensible she really is. He gets her interested into something, she does it.
Her “improving herself” with Xander was an act to get him off his back. He wants her to at least try, so she did. Like a parent getting their child to eat broccoli. A parent can say, “How can you hate broccoli when you never even tried it? Just try one bite”. The kid has already made up his mind about broccoli, but will try it anyway. Surprise, surprise, their child doesn’t like it. Now, if you put cheese on the broccoli, oh boy! NOW they’re interested. They want to eat broccoli.
Laslow had a effective approach, but not with Xander. Peri wanted to improve herself with Laslow, but not with Xander. Peri improved herself with Laslow because she wanted to, but not with Xander.
Peri is a psychopath. Although psychopaths are a incredible minority in the entire human population (they’re quite rare), they do exist. And according to the game, Peri is one of them. Watch Paul Bernardo’s interview with two detectives on TH-cam. With the sound off. It looks like a boss having a talk-down with two of his executives. In actuality, it’s one psychopathic killer, dodging, decoying and deceiving the detective’s questions. He’s ridiculously brilliant, intelligent and calculating...which makes him dangerous.
Peri, is dangerous too.
Yeah makes sense better report this
"I was just about to head out and kill someone. Killing enemy soldiers in war is the same as murder." NOPE
I think it would work better if she had trust issues and was convinced that everyone was out to get her. And had a paranoid side and a like ... blissed out side.This mostly because I could keep her death quote, and have her murderous/criminal nature be more explicitly covered.... I'd also have her hair color be explicitly be from something like woad.
Which may work as a contrast to non-Birthright Camilla, as a broken lady who knows all to well the dark side of trust/love.
Whereas Camilla is a women stuck on getting people to stay in their current positions, regardless of those people's desires.
I understand what you're saying Ghast, I fell like they tried to make Peri similar to Henry but got stuck with the way her character was meant to develop, so they put her the way she is which puts her down as a character and as I have said when you and Mangs talked about Xander recruiting Peri in Revelations, being that he found her extremely pretty. You cannot take most S supports seriously as they do not always make sense. There could be a deeper value to Peri or why Xander recruited her but it is possible that it was left out of the game itself because it feels like there was to be something deeper with her character and backstory at least I felt that. However I can understand that she can come off as a bad character because of how she has been presented and the conflicting way that is shown with her supports to the point where she lowers how other characters are viewed because of how they interact with her. That's my opinion of Peri even though I do like her, I can understand what people hate about her and I feel like there was meant to be more to her but it got scrapped for is a rather shallow character.
They tried to throw in a Harley because of suicide squad, that was my guess when I saw her for the first time
I feel like Leo is A) morbidly intrigued by her utter lack of morality B) Speaking to her like a child and C) trying not to upset her because then she's going to rage and everyone hates it when you team kill and he would have to. Not great (especially with S support) but I don't find it out of character for him.
Peri makes the best cheese sandwiches
Let's be real here:
The reason she got to be his retainer is a bit weird, tho not having any formal experience and placing fourth in a tournament is still an accomplishment that
Xander saw. Also, I agree that how he finds importance in strength and INTEGRITY when he has a flirt and a serial murderer as retainers. Also it's not Peri that ruins the continuity, that's the writers fault. Don't let bias take over the fact that the writers for the supports weren't that good whether it be the Japanese ones or COUGH LOCALIZATION COUGH. If you need an example, see the Beruka and Saizo C support in the Japanese game and localization. Peri had been traumatized and no where is it said that she had a tutor/ teacher. Now it can be implied that as a royal she should of had one but that wouldn't explain at all why her language skills are impaired and I feel that should be touched on. Peri is a killer due to her trauma and she kills people and thinks it's normal because when the butler killed her mother, she never knew what happened to him. Her supports are focused on slow growth, not full growth. In her single ending, she becomes leader of the Nohrian army and matures. Still I liked the video, just watch the bias.
Also no background checks is noticeable in that he didn’t notice that Laslow didn’t exist before a certain point...
Who's Peri? Don't you mean steel lance?
I think they were trying to go with "she's crazy so she gets to be random" for her character.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually think Peri should have been written like the character "Shinn Asuka" from Gundam Seed Destiny... at least before the last 4th of that particular series. Like, if Peri's personality stemmed from her being encouraged by terrible people to do terrible things, then yeah, I'd get it. That fact that Xander actually recruited her is baffling.
i just realized something out of the retainers of Norh (aside from Elise because her two retainers did not recently die) the retainers contain an outlaw and an awakening child
Leo: has Owain for the child to set him right meanwhile Niles is an outlaw (a thief and a gangster)
Camila: has Severa setting her on a better path while also having Beruka (an assassin which is not afraid to kill family or the her retainer if it came from Xander or slime Garon pre his death)
and Xander: has Inigo to keep him on the path of morality while having Peri (a murderous female Hans, with almost no grasp of morals at all)
Totally agree.. Hated her. After I saw her support scenes with Felicia I intentionally had her killed in the next battle.. Took justice into my own hands.
Kris Bailey
...jUsTiCe PrEvAiLs
Explosive ? Nah dude, It's jUStiCE ReiGNS!
Kris Bailey it made me love her more. I hate Felicia with a passion.
*_God can’t do all the work for us_*
@@raphaelalavi9385 *'scusé moi biatch?*
I did love Peri's design. It helped her stand out, and made me excited to meet her. Then I did and the absolute absence of character depth made me frustrated at all the time I had wasted.
Fates got rushed. Enough said.
You should make a video discussing how all of the war between hoshido and nohr was takumi's fault.
I kinda feel like the war wouldn't have happened if Sumeragi wasn't such an idiot to go to Cheve alone and with a baby. Still, I agree with Takumi--besides, he makes joining Nohr much easier, in my opinion. It literally took every ounce of my will to pick Revelation.
Easy solution: Send her off to die for Noir. Play Classic mode guys. She's a pawn, not waifu.
And then Camille gets killed instead cuz of a random 34 dmg bandit. The end.
@@v.emiltheii-nd.8094 good luck trying to get Camilla killed if there are no Bandits oof
Archers*
@@corn4618 About that...
I despise these support convos in comparison to Awakening's. These ones feel so lazy.
Hs_Megumin Its not all of them, a lot of Fates supports are really good (I.e. Saizo/Charlotte), it's just the bad ones are really bad
@Charon I guarantee you, it's not as lazy as Saizo and Beruka's C supports.
@@twikkzy You do NOT dis the best support in the franchise like that!
Maybe Xander made Peri his retainer while thinking that he and Laslow would stay by her side in any confrontation and stop her from going on a killing spree.
Also, maybe Laslow's casanova steoroids make even Peri understand things.
I do like Peri, I think is the character that fits the stereotype of "Nohr bad, Hoshido good" reminding the player the ruthless country Nohr can be. While I agree that she is a sociopath and a murderer, the game shows in her supports how everybody else us trying to understand her, and see past her obvious flaws. And I believe that Xander chose her because he sees her potential, he believes in her redemption, because she is loyal and cares for her comrades (and also because in their support, he is in love). Therefore I think she actually fits quite well with the game's theme: nothing is black or white, appearances can be deceiving, see beyond your own bias
That's what I said... I don't get your point.
Solrac Avan Thank you. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Peri is a complex and unique character.
Peri's voice always reminded me of Tommy Pickles, from Rugrats. I guess it's pretty fitting though, since she's a baby...
Zhigwich same voice actress eg daily look it up
Wow, I hadn't realized. That's funny, lol.
Zhigwich Once I heard her, selkie and hinoka's voice I automatically knew eg daily was behind it
Zhigwich fuck, you brought it up, not me... Tommy Pickles is voiced by Harley Quinn... Peri is clearly an anime rip-off of Harley... Fuck ok I said it...
I do think Peri could’ve worked as a character if Fates just had better writers.
The Xander/Peri S-support is just another one of the forced marriage alternatives for the sake of the unnecessary 2nd gen. It makes absolutely no sense from Xander's POV, and I do agree that it doesn't make any sense that she is his retainer in the first place either; just like most of Fates it's just not thought through at all. I understand what the writers were trying to accomplish with Peri, but like you keep repeating throughout the video, she just ends up being reduced to a couple of character traits without depth. Is it possible that the people who wrote her supports with Niles, Lasow, and maybe Odin, are different from the ones who wrote the rest? Because that would explain the irregularity; some knew that what was needed for a character like Peri was development, while others just chose to play on her already established tropes.
I personally don't think you did a poor job with this video. I understand why people who like Peri *would* think so though (not gonna lie, if someone bashed on my favourite characters I'd be salty as well). But just like with Camilla I think it is okay to like Peri for the budget psychopath that she is, as long as you're able to accept the fact that her inclusion in the game really doesn't make much sense. And the people who try to defend her by saying that ALL of her behaviour was due to one traumatic experience as a child, guys, it's called bad writing. Like Ghast stated this becomes obvious with how she actually gets good character development in some supports, but absolutely none in others. Peri had the *potential* of being a well-written, interesting character, but at the moment she isn't. It is still perfectly fine to like her for who she is, however.
I don't really get what makes Niles a bad character though ?
@@Sera-F1nn It was never said that he was a bad character, he only talked about his supports with Peri
Please do a support science on Henry! He’s my favorite character and I enjoy his aesthetic. Thank you for your CAWnsideration
Either:
A) Nohr has values that are totally alien to those of most developed societies,
B) Peri lies about understanding morals and ethics,
C) Xander has split personality disorder,
or they didn't know what they were doing writing these characters and didn't have time to go back and rewrite characters.
Anyway, Peri reminds me of those edgy OCs from people who brag about how insane they are and mock mental health as a whole without understanding how cringy and disrespectful they're being.
Please do a support science for Serra, the infamous cleric of Fire Emblem Blazing Blade.
Tristan Bigornia Serra and Matthew :P
Could you make a video about Lute? She's my favorite FE character. :)
^^She is a prodigy, after all!
Aren't you the dude that got banned by Etika?
Don't be so negative. If you think she sucks, please keep it to yourself since it's clear that others like her.
She always had enough speed to double everything with me, so it's not that much of an issue.
She doesn't need any more con because she wrecks everything with fire as is. I would have to keep two fire tomes on her at all times because they'd break from her clearing every map by herself.
POORLY WRITTEN SCRIPT BETWEEN THESE TWO. LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE.
DMS Inc. *everyones reasoning for hating fates and calling it a shit game*
Which it is. Plus the weeaboo pandering garbage and vomit inducing translation.
Elyseon This literally has me dying. I actually haven’t played Fates yet but I might try it out someday lol
S Supports in general are terrible imo given how they can screw with nearly every character's personality. (lol Gunter)
in the words of captain boomerang; "she's a rabbit hole mate, don't fall in."
But I think that Xander making Peri his retainer is a good thing. Xender is against senseless murder, yes. Which is why it works. Xander wishes to look out for his people and is against killing. By making Peri his retainer he has the ability to keep a closer eye on her, preventing her from killing random allies while directing that murderous intent on the battlefield. It also allows him to try and help "fix" someone who is broken instead of instantly going to kill them.
But then the support chain happens.
I love love love Henry, so when I bought Conquest I fully expected to love Peri. She's fine as a unit, but she just frustrated me... I like EVERYONE else in Conquest though (with the exception of the mu LOL), even though it took me awhile to warm up to Charlotte.
bro Xander is into Peri because she's a freak in the sheets
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Peri's dialogue is my exact thought process reading her supports.
I think you completely miss how Peri became what she is. Yeah I agree, she shouldn't be in the position that she is. After she was mentally stunted, her father brought in servants for her to kill and he would watch. If someone spent their entire life after being mentally stunted, killing while their dad is pretty much saying it's okay, how do you expect her to understand that killing is wrong? You seem to be setting "normal" expectations to someone who is clearly not normal.
Peri's character supports main issue is the structure of supports. There's simply not enough screen time to develop properly. This goes for Fire Emblem as a whole. Something that is so deep rooted as what Peri has can't be resolved within a couple of conversations. If anything, I feel that the support structure needs to be reworked as a whole, like events opening up after conversations, to see proper development between characters is a good start.
I've always wanted this in fe in general, and like some of the story's dialogue would change depending on who you married or if a certain character died, like for example, in birthright my Kaze died because I didn't have an "A" support rank with him, so I was half expecting new dialogue or a new event to come out of Saizo, but he just sorta ignored it
@@Jin-de6nj I know Marcia's and Makalov's supports in Path of Radiance change if one of the two is dead, so there's technically precedent...
Right? Plus, it's probably pretty confusing for her that Peri is hired to kill people for Xander, but she can't tell who is "good" and who is "bad" to kill, so she gets confused when people are mad at her. She's like a kid who doesn't know any better.
Character designer 1: "Alright, now what should we make Peri out to be?"
Character designer 2: "Harley Quinn, but on a horse!"
Character designer 1: "Perfect."
Character designer 2: "I feel tired. Let's take an early lunch break"
Unpaid intern: "But you just showed up late 10 minutes ago"
I was optimistic about Peri heading into Conquest, and even getting lucky by pairing her up with Keaton, so I got to see probably one of her only "alright" supports first. It still felt odd.
Also, she ended up sucking in gameplay, only sticking around for buffing Keaton and being my only non-Xander sword/lance user. None of the C supports I got in the process interested me either.
Peri is based on Harley Quinn which is obvious from her appearance and personality
You can't just ignore Corrin's Support Conversations with Peri.
In the beginning, she is upset because everyone thinks she's a creepy weirdo and actively avoid her. Corrin, while also initially creeped out by her as well, nevertheless helps her cope with what she's going through and make her feel better. She gives Corrin a baked good as compensation and he enjoys it so much that he tells everyone how good of a cook Peri is. Then when people start to understand her and not be scared of her as much, she feels truly happy and that she belongs there. Probably for the first time ever, murder isn't the first thing on her mind.
Corrin then straight up says why Xander picked her to be a retainer. In spite of her childish and violent tendencies, Peri has the capacity for and often does show kindness and love for her friends and the people she cares about.
Peri is the opposite of Tharja in my opinion. Tharja is a bad person with the capacity to do very good things. Peri is a good person with a penchant to do very bad things. Neither is a sociopath, but Peri is in turn a much more believable character.
I feel like Peri could've been a good character, almost on the level of Henry from Awakening (who too was psychotic but sympathetic due to his tragic mess of a life, and funny to boot), but Fates just...had poor writing in the places it should've mattered. It destroyed Xander, so is it surprising it ruined what could've been a decently sympathetic character?
Well until the Japanese exclusive DLC where Soleil is Peri's daughter completely redeemed her character.
I think Xander only made Peri a retainer because he understands that shes a threat to society and wants to keep her on a short leash. Their marriage support is definitely him just lying and putting moral responsibility before his image to keep her in line and put her into a position where she either reforms or gets assassinated/executed.
Clearly Story Xander picked her as a retainer in opposed to Support Xander.
2:02 correction, that blue hair is actually natural, as can be seen by her child. The pink streaks are up for debate.
You know... I always assumed that the pink in her hair was the blood of her enemies. The reason its pink is because she dips her hair in blood overnight and washes it in the morning, which stains her hair pink.
I’m a tad different because I love Peri. I find her rather amusing, and enjoy her insanity. I also really like her aesthetic design. And her last line when she obtains an S-rank with Corrin? “I know nothing will come between us! ...Because I’ll eviserate anyone who tries... Hilarious!