A company called Intercity bought Istanbul Park in 2012, closed it down and turned it into a carpark. Intercity’s contract lasts until 2023, i think. We could probably see a return of the Turkish GP soon!
istanbul was both expensive and far away from central area. the original idea was to build the circuid in Antalya, which is a tourism city and would’ve been at a much better location, closer to urban areas. istanbul park is just so far away.
Used to love watching the cars screaming down the back straight on the pre-guardrail Watkins Glen Grand Prix. Was so disappointed the first year they had that double guardrail right alongside the track which completely blocked the view which had been so great up on that long rise.
What a coincidence it is, this video had been recomended by youtube and before I watch this, F1 announces that Istanbul, Turkish Grand Prix is back in the 2021 calendar.....😵😵
Turkish GP - the track had to pay a yearly hosting fee, each year that hosting fee went up. The locals weren't big f1 fans. Promoters had to put ticket prices up each year so attendance fell down to 36000 despite a maximum capacity of 125,000. The place was like a ghost track with very little atmosphere. Bernie found the images of empty grandstands to be embarrassing and often made digs towards the circuit. A combination of lack of local interest and also higher ticket prices were being charged due to the escalating cost of hosting. Track asked Bernie to stop the yearly increases and Bernie refused so the track was dropped and released from the contract.
Naughty,naughty!!! The photo of Chris Among,4 wheel drifting the ferrari was not at Solitude but Oulton Park,at Old Hall corner. This photo was a particular favourite of Enzo Ferrari. Other than that,great video,despite the pronunciation butchery!!!
There are SO MANY more GP tracks to look at. Let's start in the north. Anderstorp in Sweden. When was the last race at the Hungaroring in Hungary? How about Zandvoort in Netherlands near the sea? Or, Zolder in Belgium? France race tracks at Magny-Cours and Circuit Paul Ricard (still use, but not for GP 'though teams will test there - southern coast of France anyone?). Portugal has the Algarve circuit near Portimao and Estoril near Lisbon. Quite lovely. Spain truly is filled with motorsport fans and for years made good use of Jarama and Jerez. Good job, but there's still more work to do.(He said cheekily.) Good stuff! Thank you!
I worked at Brooklands in the early 1990's and have driven on the steepest part of the banking. They made VC10 Airliners there , British Aerospace still had a manufacturing facility there .
I wonder which current tracks you would prefer to take OFF the calendar. I live near Monaco and it is exciting to have the event here, but the racing is not so awesome. (I would however recommend visiting the bi-annual Historic Grand Prix as it is awesome to be able to access the parc fermeé and stand next to Lauda and Hunt's cars).
175th Comment! My *WILD AND PROBABLY WEIRD* Dreams For The 2022 FIA Formula One World Championship Calendar: 1: Australia (Melbourne) 2: Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur) 3: Bahrain (Sakhir) 4: China (Shanghai) 5: Netherlands (Zandvoort) 6: Spain (Barcelona) 7: Monaco (Monte-Carlo) 8: Canada (Montreal) 9: Azerbaijan (Baku) 10: France (Rotating Between Nevers Magny-Cours And Paul Ricard (Le Castellet)) 11: Austria (Spielberg) 12: The Great Britain (Silverstone) 13: Germany (Rotating Between Nürburgring And Hockenheimring) 14: Hungary (Hungaroring) 15: Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps) 16: Italy (Monza) 17: Turkey (Istanbul Park) 18: Saudi Arabia (Jeddah) 19: Singapore (Marina Bay) 20: Japan (Suzuka) 21: Russia (Rotating Between Moscow And Sochi) 22: United States Of America (USA, Rotating Between Indianapolis And Austin) 23: Mexico (Mexico City) 24: Brazil (São Paulo) 25: United Arab Emirates (UAE, Abu Dhabi) 24/03/2021 02:47.
After you did very good research about abounded tracks in this playlist, I recommend to start a new series: Tracks that will come, should come or etc in the future!
Hey Alex,totally tongue in cheek mate,really enjoyed the video. Just thought of a track to take a look at. Montliery,,I believe the French GP was occasionally held there. Thanks for your efforts.
You should mention Phillip Island, before the GP circuit was built here in the 50’s (The one that hosts the MotoGP and SBK) there was a road circuit that was the original host of the Australian Grand Prix back in 1928 (Precursor to the Albert Park F1 we have today), it was a crazy track that was run on gravel roads, it often got so dusty that drivers would focus on the tree-line instead of the road ahead in order to see where they were going. The route of the circuit still exists to this day and there are signposts on the island marking the corners.
a suggestion probably can be that Tracks from other series that formula 1 should run for the first time (?) i dont know, maybe it is a little random but want to contribute a little bit :D
Bro you forgot some iconic race tracks: Magny Cours in France, Estoril in Portugal, Adelaide in Australia and the massive Mikka Hakkinen crash with his Mc Laren, San Marino, and the fatal Imola
What makes an race track abandoned? Well IMO for a track or portion of it to be abandoned needs to follow the following criterias: - The track is rarely used in the past few years for major racing events (Istanbul Park) - The race track is redeveloped, leaving part of the original layout behind (i.e. the Original Hockenheim and Österreichring) - The track is not maintained very often, left to decay beyond repair or completly demolished Magny-Cours, Estoril, Adelaide, Jerez or even the original Nordschleife may be "forgotten" by F1, but are by no means abandoned. They are still used in many national and international events. Just because it's not used by F1 DOESN'T mean that this track or that track is abandoned - it's forgotten. Make difference between FORGOTTEN and ABANDONED
So, considering how big the old Classic Spa circuit was, maybe the current configuration could be considered as a "club circuit"?? Hell of a "club circuit"...
Where’s the Indianapolis GP? We need that circuit back or a new and improved circuit somewhere in the US. Maybe like Colorado or Something idk. I’d prefer the Indianapolis GP because it’s a legendary track. It has the potential to be a championship deciding circuit. Maybe a few changes here and there to a few turns but other than that it’s perfect for F1.
Good stuff, Alex. Thank you for your show. I'd love to hear any discussion concerning athlete coaching in mental health, say with topics like "relationship-building", "stress-management", "PR", and not in the least, "risk analysis". Always wondered about these subjects. Good luck with your first doc.
My favourite former track is the one in my city: Adelaide. Obviously being a street circuit it's still there and is still used for V8 Supercars. I drive on the roads regularly. For years they left the curbs on the corners in place with the colours painted on. They've been removed now. Nothing else has changed though.
The Triangle was never used for F1 since 1925. The first year of F1 was 1946. They raced GRAND PRIX there, but it is impossible for ANY of these old tracks, Brooklands included too, to have raced F1 before 1946 (and Brooklands never did). Just worth making sure you hit that one. I know you know you meant GP racing, and assume everyone else will know, but the fact you are young, and mentioning young tracks... and Tilke garbage.... (aka totally unworthy of mentioning as far as I am concerned :P )... says there's a lot of people under 30 here, probably a lot of 20 somethings.... and it might well be they do not know WHEN F1 began precisely, so you should try to be clear. Pure suggestion... but felt compelled to mention it. Great video.
@@Alex-gn9px No. That was the first time there was a Drivers world championship. Then came the constructors 5 years later. But Formula One began in 1946. There was not WDC or WCC, but Grand Prix were run to the new rules...or formula...or.....Formula One
Bernie being an extortionate bastard is why Korea, India, and Turkey no longer run Grand Prix at those circuits. In Korea's case, they wanted FOM to pay THEM the fee as the organisers were the tenants. Makes sense if you're like me whose parents are both landlords, not to Bastard Bernard apparently. So Istanbul Park, Greater Noida, and Yeongnam were dropped in 2011-13. (EDIT) Istanbul Park was used for a time in the WSBK Championship in place of Formula 1 during much of the 2010s. But it has seen better days.
Not sure if it’s still in use (it probably is) but what about Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari? The famous track with Tamburello corner that took Ayrton Senna life?
Where is the Adelaide circuit? Was a favourite among all drivers, teams and fans. Many want it back as well. In its era it was on par with Monaco and is still actually being used today. The track now is nearing 30 years old. was used as part of a 24 hour race back imln 2000, which was meant to run until 2006 but was dropped for some unknown reason. The track provided some of the beat racing ever in F1 with many overtaking opportunities most new street circuits just dont provide nowadays. Many street circuits were based off this track but failed to provide decent racing.
Jack Barrett Its technically is an abandoned F1 track. Yes it still in use today, but there has been several tracks mentioned in this series that are still actually in use today but was previously used in F1. Just because ita being used by other categories does not mean its nit abandoned by F1. The Australian GP race was abandoned in Adelaide due to the track not being sufficient to race on due to safety concerns with the faster F1 cars back in the day.
Although the Australian Supercars use it, but there is an argument that it can be added to this list due to there are two version of this street circuit. The F1 version, and the shorten Touring Car version.
Next Episode: Valencia.. I think most of the coolest Street Circuits that have ever been in the calendar.. I really love this track but... its just sad how broke this track is.
Riverside International Raceway. A raceway that pre-dates Watkins Glen. Circuit is long gone, but I shall leave it up to you. AVUS - Germany's fastest racetrack. F1 was there in 1959. Montjuich Park, a 1970's parkland circuit long gone as well Finally I would say Clermont-Ferrand - the dizzying stone-thrower of a circuit Only here to help...
Another track for a "lost tracks of F1" must be Donington Park considering it brief F1 use (particularly the 1992 Senna master class in the very wet UK day out driving all with a under powered & under class McLaren car). Also of course the ill fated amount by a very misguided business man to regain F1 ripping up parts of the track to badly try to reformat it & in process bring to very very brink of collapse financially. Sad passing of long standing owner recently too.
I ve been to brooklands lots of time amazing
A company called Intercity bought Istanbul Park in 2012, closed it down and turned it into a carpark. Intercity’s contract lasts until 2023, i think. We could probably see a return of the Turkish GP soon!
Brookland is well worth visiting. Very interesting.
Great news! It looks like Turkey might be coming back this year! Having no fans certainly helps the negotiations.
Yeah
Welcome to 2020, a weird race at an abandoned circuit
Who else watches in 2020 after the Turkish GP?
istanbul was both expensive and far away from central area. the original idea was to build the circuid in Antalya, which is a tourism city and would’ve been at a much better location, closer to urban areas. istanbul park is just so far away.
Used to love watching the cars screaming down the back straight on the pre-guardrail Watkins Glen Grand Prix. Was so disappointed the first year they had that double guardrail right alongside the track which completely blocked the view which had been so great up on that long rise.
What a coincidence it is, this video had been recomended by youtube and before I watch this, F1 announces that Istanbul, Turkish Grand Prix is back in the 2021 calendar.....😵😵
Hope it stays for a long time
Turkish GP - the track had to pay a yearly hosting fee, each year that hosting fee went up. The locals weren't big f1 fans. Promoters had to put ticket prices up each year so attendance fell down to 36000 despite a maximum capacity of 125,000. The place was like a ghost track with very little atmosphere. Bernie found the images of empty grandstands to be embarrassing and often made digs towards the circuit. A combination of lack of local interest and also higher ticket prices were being charged due to the escalating cost of hosting. Track asked Bernie to stop the yearly increases and Bernie refused so the track was dropped and released from the contract.
There was a part of the Nurburgring abandoned
Im really liking this series, very informative, thank you
Joan Sebastian I agree
Well the first race he said aged well.
Naughty,naughty!!! The photo of Chris Among,4 wheel drifting the ferrari was not at Solitude but Oulton Park,at Old Hall corner.
This photo was a particular favourite of Enzo Ferrari.
Other than that,great video,despite the pronunciation butchery!!!
Oops forgot to turn off auto correction,should read Chris Amon!!!
I know, some pictures cant relate to the track as I run out of them due to copyright! I just wanted to mix in some era-car shots!!
How about the Pescara Circuit in Italy, it was a massive 25.8 km track. I believe it only had one official F1 grand prix in 1957
Starfire Storm and stirling moss won
the grand tour was also at the james may track
Istanbul Park: YES, Erdogan: NO.
Istanbul is back for 2020 :)
Hopefully AVUS will be here!
Glad to see the old Spa. Great series.
Really interesting watch. Thanks
There are SO MANY more GP tracks to look at. Let's start in the north. Anderstorp in Sweden. When was the last race at the Hungaroring in Hungary? How about Zandvoort in Netherlands near the sea? Or, Zolder in Belgium? France race tracks at Magny-Cours and Circuit Paul Ricard (still use, but not for GP 'though teams will test there - southern coast of France anyone?). Portugal has the Algarve circuit near Portimao and Estoril near Lisbon. Quite lovely. Spain truly is filled with motorsport fans and for years made good use of Jarama and Jerez. Good job, but there's still more work to do.(He said cheekily.)
Good stuff! Thank you!
There were a couple of 500 mile races run at Brooklands before Indianapolis.
Thx for the Solitude recap...as requested in Abandoned #2. They hold 'classic' races there every other year in recent years.
Can’t wait for Hanoi
Lesser Miles me too is the first f1 track in Vietnam
I worked at Brooklands in the early 1990's and have driven on the steepest part of the banking. They made VC10 Airliners there , British Aerospace still had a manufacturing facility there .
I wonder which current tracks you would prefer to take OFF the calendar. I live near Monaco and it is exciting to have the event here, but the racing is not so awesome. (I would however recommend visiting the bi-annual Historic Grand Prix as it is awesome to be able to access the parc fermeé and stand next to Lauda and Hunt's cars).
Brilliant video series, fascinating. Ya got a new subbed!
appreciate it thank you!
175th Comment!
My *WILD AND PROBABLY WEIRD* Dreams For The 2022 FIA Formula One World Championship Calendar:
1: Australia (Melbourne)
2: Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur)
3: Bahrain (Sakhir)
4: China (Shanghai)
5: Netherlands (Zandvoort)
6: Spain (Barcelona)
7: Monaco (Monte-Carlo)
8: Canada (Montreal)
9: Azerbaijan (Baku)
10: France (Rotating Between Nevers Magny-Cours And Paul Ricard (Le Castellet))
11: Austria (Spielberg)
12: The Great Britain (Silverstone)
13: Germany (Rotating Between Nürburgring And Hockenheimring)
14: Hungary (Hungaroring)
15: Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps)
16: Italy (Monza)
17: Turkey (Istanbul Park)
18: Saudi Arabia (Jeddah)
19: Singapore (Marina Bay)
20: Japan (Suzuka)
21: Russia (Rotating Between Moscow And Sochi)
22: United States Of America (USA, Rotating Between Indianapolis And Austin)
23: Mexico (Mexico City)
24: Brazil (São Paulo)
25: United Arab Emirates (UAE, Abu Dhabi)
24/03/2021 02:47.
Well done for laying the boot into Tilke circuits.
Monsanto circuit in Portugal :)
Just one season race but pretty cool !!
2011 was definitely my favorite year in tracks matters. Istanbul, Valencia, Nurburgring, Yeongam and Buddh. ONLY LEGENDS.
After you did very good research about abounded tracks in this playlist, I recommend to start a new series:
Tracks that will come, should come or etc
in the future!
Yeah and talk about how the proposal for the street track in Miami Florida is a bad idea lol
If logistics wasn't a problem, I would add Buddh, Korea International, Kyalami, Valencia, Imola and Instanbul Park to the current calender!
Imola and Istanbul came back this year!
Talk about AVUS next. It only hosted one official grand prix, but it is still the craziest (and dumbest) historic track i can think off.
Istanbul hosted FIA WRX in 2014 I belive
Another quality one, ahh the memory's. I forgot about most of them tracks.
Go on mate , you have interesting informations to share. Thank you!
Hey Alex,totally tongue in cheek mate,really enjoyed the video.
Just thought of a track to take a look at. Montliery,,I believe the French GP was occasionally held there.
Thanks for your efforts.
Tony Rata thank you 😀
You should mention Phillip Island, before the GP circuit was built here in the 50’s (The one that hosts the MotoGP and SBK) there was a road circuit that was the original host of the Australian Grand Prix back in 1928 (Precursor to the Albert Park F1 we have today), it was a crazy track that was run on gravel roads, it often got so dusty that drivers would focus on the tree-line instead of the road ahead in order to see where they were going. The route of the circuit still exists to this day and there are signposts on the island marking the corners.
And Jarama?
Very cool video.
Awesome video
How about Riverside International Raceway? Held the 1960 US GP. And don't forget the older and longer Nurburgring layouts.
Where was the Riverside raceway (what state)
@@mirandastrickland5704 Riverside California. The site is now the home to the Moreno Valley Mall at Towngate and some other stores.
Brook lands is great. Love the Concorde there
How about the Anderstorp circuit which held the Swedish Grand Prix. Dijon-Prenois (France) also a contender
If you haven't mentioned it yet, you should definitely look into AVUS (which held the 1926 and 1959 German Grands Prix).
Lets go for part 4 !!!
a suggestion probably can be that Tracks from other series that formula 1 should run for the first time (?) i dont know, maybe it is a little random but want to contribute a little bit :D
Bro you forgot some iconic race tracks: Magny Cours in France, Estoril in Portugal, Adelaide in Australia and the massive Mikka Hakkinen crash with his Mc Laren, San Marino, and the fatal Imola
none of these are abandoned
What makes an race track abandoned? Well IMO for a track or portion of it to be abandoned needs to follow the following criterias:
- The track is rarely used in the past few years for major racing events (Istanbul Park)
- The race track is redeveloped, leaving part of the original layout behind (i.e. the Original Hockenheim and Österreichring)
- The track is not maintained very often, left to decay beyond repair or completly demolished
Magny-Cours, Estoril, Adelaide, Jerez or even the original Nordschleife may be "forgotten" by F1, but are by no means abandoned. They are still used in many national and international events. Just because it's not used by F1 DOESN'T mean that this track or that track is abandoned - it's forgotten.
Make difference between FORGOTTEN and ABANDONED
So, considering how big the old Classic Spa circuit was, maybe the current configuration could be considered as a "club circuit"?? Hell of a "club circuit"...
keep up the good work i love your videos i learn a lot from this
Why doesn't the Old Nurburgring (also known as the Green Hell) qualify as abandoned?
Where’s the Indianapolis GP? We need that circuit back or a new and improved circuit somewhere in the US. Maybe like Colorado or Something idk. I’d prefer the Indianapolis GP because it’s a legendary track. It has the potential to be a championship deciding circuit. Maybe a few changes here and there to a few turns but other than that it’s perfect for F1.
Good video Alex I really enjoyed the video
Good stuff, Alex. Thank you for your show. I'd love to hear any discussion concerning athlete coaching in mental health, say with topics like "relationship-building", "stress-management", "PR", and not in the least, "risk analysis". Always wondered about these subjects. Good luck with your first doc.
My favourite former track is the one in my city: Adelaide.
Obviously being a street circuit it's still there and is still used for V8 Supercars. I drive on the roads regularly. For years they left the curbs on the corners in place with the colours painted on. They've been removed now. Nothing else has changed though.
ZANDVOORT
Wesley Kamerman Zandvoort is coming back in 2020 ( I know I’m saying this a year after but still)
@@kam88d_25 a part of it was abandoned
Old Zandvoort, which is now a golfing course -.-
The Triangle was never used for F1 since 1925. The first year of F1 was 1946.
They raced GRAND PRIX there, but it is impossible for ANY of these old tracks, Brooklands included too, to have raced F1 before 1946 (and Brooklands never did).
Just worth making sure you hit that one. I know you know you meant GP racing, and assume everyone else will know, but the fact you are young, and mentioning young tracks... and Tilke garbage.... (aka totally unworthy of mentioning as far as I am concerned :P )... says there's a lot of people under 30 here, probably a lot of 20 somethings.... and it might well be they do not know WHEN F1 began precisely, so you should try to be clear.
Pure suggestion... but felt compelled to mention it.
Great video.
F1 officially begins May 13, 1950 with the British GP at Silverstone.
@@Alex-gn9px No. That was the first time there was a Drivers world championship.
Then came the constructors 5 years later.
But Formula One began in 1946. There was not WDC or WCC, but Grand Prix were run to the new rules...or formula...or.....Formula One
Another Abandoned Track would be Avus in Berlin
How about the Detriot and Phoenix Street Circuits
I remember watching superbikes round Istambul a couple years ago
Georgexx 13 it’s Istanbul not istambul
a Turkish driver would help
Surrey near Silverstone? They're in completely different parts of the country.
Ed a 90 min drive is hardly separated by thousands of miles 😜
Surrey is more near brands hatch
AlexZAfRo 90 minutes is still not near
Ed no silverstone is in Northamptonshire
Bernie being an extortionate bastard is why Korea, India, and Turkey no longer run Grand Prix at those circuits. In Korea's case, they wanted FOM to pay THEM the fee as the organisers were the tenants. Makes sense if you're like me whose parents are both landlords, not to Bastard Bernard apparently. So Istanbul Park, Greater Noida, and Yeongnam were dropped in 2011-13. (EDIT) Istanbul Park was used for a time in the WSBK Championship in place of Formula 1 during much of the 2010s. But it has seen better days.
Zolder - Belgium Look in to that one pls :)
Far from abandoned really, Zolder is still very actively raced on, just not by F1
Then the Dutch gp returns for 2020.
Not sure if it’s still in use (it probably is) but what about Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari? The famous track with Tamburello corner that took Ayrton Senna life?
I really enjoyd playing f1 games around india
Where is the Adelaide circuit? Was a favourite among all drivers, teams and fans. Many want it back as well. In its era it was on par with Monaco and is still actually being used today. The track now is nearing 30 years old. was used as part of a 24 hour race back imln 2000, which was meant to run until 2006 but was dropped for some unknown reason. The track provided some of the beat racing ever in F1 with many overtaking opportunities most new street circuits just dont provide nowadays. Many street circuits were based off this track but failed to provide decent racing.
Adelaide isn’t abandon, the Australian Supercar (touring car championship) and their support categories still race there
Jack Barrett Its technically is an abandoned F1 track. Yes it still in use today, but there has been several tracks mentioned in this series that are still actually in use today but was previously used in F1. Just because ita being used by other categories does not mean its nit abandoned by F1. The Australian GP race was abandoned in Adelaide due to the track not being sufficient to race on due to safety concerns with the faster F1 cars back in the day.
Although the Australian Supercars use it, but there is an argument that it can be added to this list due to there are two version of this street circuit. The F1 version, and the shorten Touring Car version.
The long track is abandoned, I live in Adelaide and miss it aswell
Great vid
What about Pukekoe in New Zealand south of Auckland the track Bruce mclaren designed
turkey came back 😎
what about the portugal gp?
The former Scandinavia raceway? Now anderstorp receway I think!
I wouldn't mind seeing India back on the calendar, as long as they get rid of those mental sausage kerbs on the inside of the corners.
and more bobs and vegana
They should bring back The glen ( Watkins glen)
Look at some abandoned Australian tracks. V8 Supercars are our biggest piece of racing history.
What about the old Las Vegas track at a casino parking lot?
Nordshliefe?
There was a "temporary" hanger built on the main straight at Brooklands during world war two, but it still exists today
I think istanbul was used in DTM for some time (Dont know if it they still use it)
I always wonder how these generation of cars would handle Istanbul ;)
Next Episode: Valencia.. I think most of the coolest Street Circuits that have ever been in the calendar.. I really love this track but... its just sad how broke this track is.
PROXIMA was I episode 1...
AlexZAfRo ouh was it??? Well😂 but you can take maybe.. Dijon or Korea
I miss jenson button
what about the nordschleife?
Motorsport Park in Canada
It's still used for NASCAR and IMSA
Riverside International Raceway. A raceway that pre-dates Watkins Glen. Circuit is long gone, but I shall leave it up to you.
AVUS - Germany's fastest racetrack. F1 was there in 1959.
Montjuich Park, a 1970's parkland circuit long gone as well
Finally I would say Clermont-Ferrand - the dizzying stone-thrower of a circuit
Only here to help...
How is Northamptonshire & Surrey even remotely close?
Another track for a "lost tracks of F1" must be Donington Park considering it brief F1 use (particularly the 1992 Senna master class in the very wet UK day out driving all with a under powered & under class McLaren car). Also of course the ill fated amount by a very misguided business man to regain F1 ripping up parts of the track to badly try to reformat it & in process bring to very very brink of collapse financially. Sad passing of long standing owner recently too.
How about the Bremgarten Ring in Switzerland?
If you do a part 4 can you talk about the South Korea circuit
Adelaide GP track Australia
What about estreoil
Brooklands is a LONG way from Silverstone.. Brands Hatch and Thruxton are closer than Silverstone
Frameout city Rome colosseum and stunt ring for part 4.
OLD BAHRAIN TRACK (EXTENDED)
This is not abandoned ‘-‘
What about Zolder? Two tragic years of 81' and 82'
Montjuic Park Circuit