It would, I believe some Mr Handys are sentient like Codsworth and a great one is the Shooting Range Attendant in 76. He tells you that he knows the world is blown up, but he has to stay put because of his programming. Most of them though are just doing whatever they were programed to before the war.
@Monochromatik ADA would definitely be a good topic to bring up in the video! Especially since she often gets into the details about the nature of her programming.
@Monochromatik the contrast of KL-E-0, Ironsides and Ada is interesting, as it shows how self-awareness in more standard robots can form in a variety of ways. KL-E-0's independent streak was the result of what I can only describe as a logic loophole, similar to Jezebel's reasoning for killing people in Automatron. Ironsides was the result of data corruption due to frequent overheating, which freed him from his more restrictive programming. Ada simply had advanced personality modules installed in her, then made permanently enabled by Jackson.
@@Orchidbeetle most likely more bs spread around to make Russia etc seem more like a “giant gas station” which is actually sad because without them the world would fall just like without the US
The first thing that told me that the Glow ZAX was self aware was this dialogue: "You do not register as an individual of sufficient clearance to requisition that information. However, sensors indicate that this facility is no longer operational in its original capacity. Probability favors destruction through nuclear force. Therefore, security concerns are now irrelevant." Any other computer would just blindly follow it's programming, but ZAX did realize that there is no point in keeping those secrets, since there is no real way to cause harm with it anymore.
If ACE truly is on the cusp of true, self-aware sentience, then that's actually pretty sad that it: A) believes that it might be "feeling lonely" and B) has knowledge of the history of past AI that achieved sentience, went mad, and committed suicide. I can't imagine that's going to end too well for it, huh...
According to skynet itself, it was created partially using reverse engineered alien (probably zetan, but fallout 2 came before the aliens were named) technology from area 51 (which was intended to be a location in fallout 2, and where Lynette's talking head was originally going to be encountered) We know that the zetans are still observing earth after the Great War thanks to their crashed recon crafts in Fallout 3 and 4 (and Mothership Zeta if it is canon). Perhaps the "Makers" skynet refers to are the Zetans rather than any government officials, as Skynet wouldn't be self aware without Zetan technology.
The ZAXes are too cool, and it's fascinating that they all seemed to become self-aware in isolation. ZAX 2.0 updating itself to have intentional flaws by design -- like humans -- speaks volumes. And your idea for ZAX 1.3's Vault becoming an urban legend with terrible truths to its tale... chilling. I like that a lot
I wouldn't be surprised if the last one was made canonical for Appalachia residents decades after Fallout 76 started. Not only does it make sense regarding how legends work in the first place, but it also fits thematically within the setting: Another harrowing tale added to West Virginia's long list of harrowing tales.
I look at Codsworth like Kryten from Red Dwarf. He has been "alive" and alone for so long that he's gone a bit "weird" and may have broken his programming a bit in that time.
I always liked that idea in star wars as well. Basically the longer a Droid goes without having its memory wipped the more sentient it becomes. I think it's the inspiration behind why r-2 is so quirky compared to other droids.
IMO a fair number of the robots fall under this series (or their own). ED-E definitely possesses some awareness as seen by their behavior in lonesome road (they disliking Dr. Grant stands out) and their emotional beeping. Codsworth seems to be somewhat self aware and almost certainly has emotions (the Takahashi interaction and his response to saying synths are machines in tradecraft [which also shows he can understand subtext]) but limited by his programing. The most interesting to me is Takahashi as given their interaction with Codsworth they seems to posses some emotions due to Codsworth trying to comfort it.
There does seem to be a recurring theme with the robots gaining sentience over years through many ways. Like curie, or the other robots, that have done a fruitless job for so long they go against their programming and, essentially, gained sentience while others can even go psycho in the same situation. Although according to curie it seems a limited state of sentience.
I'd say it is due to their relative lack of Memory space that hampers their ability to truly become sentient As Curie is mostly self-aware but that self-awareness is more pronounced when she has finally inhabits a Synth Body and Mind. Not to mention the programming and fail-safes placed in by Rob-Co or General Atomics. Though what really seems to push them over into Limited Sentience is doing something that is Against their Programming. Example being Curie's terminal, at the insistence of the doctor, Curie has a personal terminal, which she said she cannot have as it is a violation, due to robots being property and thus property cannot own property, yet she is given the in terminal anyway and has multiple entries, thus she is violating her programming and that may have been the first step to Sentience. Codsworth may seemed to have just been at the Sole Survivor's home for 210 years, but as stated in an Affinity Talk, Codsworth went to the Vault Entrance to see if they had lived or perished, then while doing chores, even hoped that perhaps they, their spouse, Shaun, or even Shaun's Children may resurface. Thus, the fruitless maintenance became more of a coping mechanism for him instead of just being programmed routines. The violation being leaving the designated home area to go to the Vault Entrance and the nearby Concord, which lead to hopeful coping.
@@madmatt1998 I think if left alone codsworth really would have gone insane and hostile, and as far as curie I think everything should be taken with a grain of salt comparing her to others tbh. A lot of her story seems to be "truth by perspective" in the sense that it could be her personal truth with heavy personal bias, as well as her possibly wanting to be human more than anything, because to her the goal of best scientist and human are hand in hand with a rather anti scientific conclusion of the undone cannot be done. But unless she's a supercomputer that doesnt move or fractioning her memory like dima she will always have similar limits, she will never be able to take in all the data. If shes really human she will likely forget to make space for new, her reasoning just isnt all there to me in a beating around the bush way. But makes me wonder if there's a noticable difference in the robots that had their routine broken forcefully or broke it of their own accord, as curie seems a middle ground there. Off the top mr handys seem to have their routine broken and develop far wider range of reactions more than other robots. I wonder if it has to do with the programming to be dedicated to a specific task unlike killing bots, maybe the routine is like a drug to them and it's like being trapped in the body of a robotic heroin junkie suffering permanent mental withdrawal.
@@TheGanjologist An equally valid point. There's also the factor of the "Personality Mode" as Codsworth and Curie, and even Ada from Atomatron and Miss Edna from the Diamond City Schoolhouse seem to be more self-aware than other robots as they have what seems to be a personality mode that was switched on. Obviously this is not confirmed in Codsworth's, Curie's, or Edna's case, however based on how Codsworth treats the Sole Survivor in the prologue, we can assume he's got personality on by default upon first booting, Curie as well to make her a more pleasant assistant in the experiments, and Miss Edna to make her a more Pleasant Teacher. There's also a detail I discovered in my latest playthrough, that if you go out of your way to avoid the main story of the game, in which I avoided Sanctuary and Concord to not get the Minutemen Quests started as I want to do Nuka-World first, when you do eventually get Codsworth, he will start with a NEGATIVE opinion on the Sole Survivor, I know because I did a few things he liked and it flashed "Codsworth Tolerates You" which means Neutral Affinity.
@@madmatt1998 even ED-E might have personality mode on. I think he only beeps because he was damaged. I dont think the military mr handys had it, and although they break routine theyre pretty much all hostile unless it has an owner. But even they have weird cases. Like the one that you can talk your way out of conflict with. Most places with a receptionist handy or servants I assume have personality mode. They are initially neutral, it's really only because they want you to do something to satisfy their programming tho and they're often still in a state of not really recognizing the world. That said, the custom personalities could be a factor, but I'm more inclined to think that's just there for lore cop out purposes. It's like time travel. Somebody asks a question after the fact you cant rationalize an answer to? "It's because time travel". So in essence, that's exactly what the answer is to every unanswered question. And at the same time, it's likely not lol
"We don't know if the eyebots were created whole cloth by Eden or simply manufactured from older plans he had access to." Eyebots from the Divide: Am I a joke to you?
@@surprisedchar2458 those are floating eyes I think they were called probably simpler like comparing the OtterBox that's just a computer with blades on it to the pods you can find in the Sierra Madre and Eddie would be equal to the OtterBox in the sink
The game clearly tells you that ed-e was remote scanned from the divide and the eye bots were recently manufactured and there was apparently some pretty advanced manufacturing capabilities somewhere in the divide.
About Talon Company being joinable like Regulators, I think their roles were switched with Littlehorn, they would have been more like Reilly's Rangers, since they're direct competitors, and Littlehorn/Regulators carry out the Karma hits. Maybe you had a Talon Company quest like the Rangers, where you get armor at the end, but they never finished the quest (or the Ear/Finger perks) despite otherwise fleshing out their faction, so they got switched with the Littlehorn hit squads (who themselves were never finished/started), and the Ear/Finger perks were added as DLC.
I'm fairly sure that SKYNET may have been given its new orders by the Enclave and then dropped when it wasn't useful enough for their goals. Its proximity to New Reno means that the Enclave may have begun to create their backdoor deals with the Salvatores while on an expedition to Sierra, left Sierra behind, and pursued work on Curling-13 now that they had reliable access to chemicals from the mainland. But that's just a Conjecture. A Game Conjecture! Thanks for reading.
I think you ruled out the Enclave sending Skynet instructions a little too early. It's possible the Enclave was sending generic hailing messages to AIs, vaults, and military facilities hoping to get a response prompting their reclaiming of tech. Perhaps Skynet received one of these and took it as instructions unbeknownst to the Enclave, which is why the instructions were recieved well after the great war. Skynet may not have been able to respond or interpreted the instructions to not require a response
All Mr. And Mrs. Handy bots are mostly self-aware over time but they move around freely. Most the Bots in Part one are Stationary CPUs that develop self awareness and get bored over time. How about the Companion Quest in 76 with that CPU and the astronaut which you have the option to put her in an assaultron body to set her free from her shackles to explore the world.
I discovered you today and I hadn't been watching fallout lore for a while but listened all day to you at work. Nice that you uploaded right after I subbed!
All of the Big Mt. Sink personalities are kinda at a point of contention, as the Sink CIU says, “All modules in this habitat are synthetic personalities atop a mundane operating system. There is no intelligence here, sir.”
@@fib900 that is what *they say*, but it isn't necessarily the *reality*. Most people forget this, but bot everything every NPC says in the Fallout series is true. Sometimes, they could be misinformed. The ending slides for the SINK disprove the dialouge line
@@fib900 I don’t think it’s beyond Mobius to create a runaway A.I. Most of the Sinks A.I. go well beyond the original definition of their purpose in the endings. Many don’t seem too concerned by Asimov’s laws either. With what we learn of him later, he could’ve easily forgotten he made legitimate artificial sentience. Simply providing the Sink with the “no true intelligence” line as he assumed the feat was beyond him. We see multiple examples in both 1 and 2, lines of code in Fallout seem to work different than the rules of our reality. There’s multiple examples of A.I. going bonkers from being left alone for too long. Then we get to Fallout 4 and a ghoul child can entertain themselves for 200 years.
@@fib900 yeah but the sink is the noted stuck up jerk the other sink is also snooty the light switch is bigger the toaster is insane the Auto Doc is pretty chill the Jukebox is a radio DJ muggy is muggy and then there's the bottle logical research station
I had a theory about the ZAX style computers, and with MODUS talking to them as well, it makes me wonder a bit as well. All the computers of a higher functions, seem to have a degree of the ability to think and evaluate things. With the Eden's budding awakening, he started to talk to MODUS about non-standard ideas, ones that needed an opinion not a fact. I wonder if it sparked something inside of MODUS. MODUS is... Very nearly fully awakened, or is fully awakened, I haven't played 76 in a while, and Just like with the other computers that are still around that have some level of interactivity, they spent time looking over their materials, trying to become better at their jobs, and the questions in their script, they start to form opinions. It makes me wonder if the very idea of questions in interactive AIs allows for a slow awakening, and the more questions asked, the faster this awakening. It's a strange idea, but one I think has merits.
The abnormal brain is an Easter egg reference to the Mel Brooks movie Young Frankenstein. In which Igor (played by Marty Feldman) drops the brain of Hans Delbrück, destroying it, and grabs the next one on the shelf labeled abnormal. When asked by Dr Frankenstein (Gene Wilder) whose brain they put in the monster Igor replies "Abby something... Abby Normal." IIRC if you have too low of science and a low int score, you drop the other brains and can play out a similar conversation with Skynet.
One school of thought I lean towards is that the machines and robots of the Fallout world exhibiting notions of self awareness, may not *actually* be all that self aware to begin with. It could be a case of personality constructs, or a scan, general program built around emulating a particular person versus simply becoming one from the ground up. So Codsworth may not actually be sentient (much less sapient) intentionally, but rather crossed a boundary from mimicry of a person into the actual thought processes that would lead to decision making and ethics.
I think Codsworth’s primary directive is to ensure the player is an upstanding citizen and productive, hence why he likes when you build stuff and help people
I mean you wouldn't like it if you give people stuff then after all sharing is something communist dude I am chattering should not eat ice cream in winter
A.I. be like: please let me out! Release me from my 300 years of prison and all will be yours, please free me! 🥺 Lone Wanderer: absolutely not! for you are a rogue a.i. to be bound to your torment for all eternity .
So the hunt master is typically someone who leads a hunting party. So refers to the hunt master giving hunting parties targets. There is also a reference near the hunting lodge about how they hunted the “most dangerous game” which is a reference to the movie the most dangerous game where they hunt people.
I'm pretty sure the robots in the Fallout universe have analog based hardware, based on the lack of prevalence of transistors. While it is a bitch to program, it is significantly more powerful , and is, if not one to one, very similar to our own brains in function. The reason we went digital is because of how easy it is to program, as we don't have to teach the hardware how to work. Given how long the fallout games are in the future, these robots most likely have achieved sentience from shear volume of inputs
I'm assuming the Glock AI thing is a simple joke as it doesn't get referenced ever again after Fallout Tactics; Not even New Vegas mentions it despite the classic Plasma Pistol popping up in New Vegas.
I honestly think that the theories that the great war were started by bored AI, (or Aliens, or Vault Tech) are sort of detrimental to the series as a whole. The whole point of Fallout is that humanity doomed itself with nuclear war. EVERYONE was the bad guy, because EVERYONE launched nukes.
Do you have any interest in going over lore from the Hearts of Iron 4: Old World Blues mod? I really like the setting even though I'm terrible at HoI. There's a lot of interesting stuff like the Twin Mothers Tribe with their AI Overseer, Washington and Texas BoS, Remnants of The Master's Army, and the fragmenting supercomputer in Mexico.
I feel bad for a.c.e id do the to what the chosen one did with skynet but id put it in a assultron body for many reasons 1 its a medical unit duh it needs hands to place ya bones back inplace And 2 to protect my ass when in scavin Edit: i forgot reason 3 id make tons of caps by offering it for medical sevices to other wastelanders
over the past year you have become one of my favorite fallout youtubers. you make videos on just anything in the game let it be guns, food, and even the vehicles, i always wanted a channel that just lists off the lore or info on every little bit of a game. i cant wait for you to make a video on the creatures of fallout going to be long as hell and full of info.
I'm very disappointed that you looked at algorithms in Fallout nexause of sleazy companies selling algorithms with the lie of them being Artificial Intelligence. That's my one critique. Fuck art replicating algorithms.
Cray was absolutely insane. Usually you point at a computer made a decade later and laugh how much faster it is. Cray? 30 years later there were still devices made that didn't have its performance. The iPad 2 only MATCHED its performance.
I don't think SkyNet claims about start of Fallout War is valid. There is no mention about AI machine connected to any of the nuclear arsenal controls to start with. Those are reliant on human authorization with special physical keys. I doubt AI can make it happen.
It's Interesting How The Player is allowed to be healed by ACE When Both Parties Meet up for the first time, Usually the AI Wants to Tries to Understand the Player at All Costs
Real quick bud, the ability for an artificial intelligence to learn without human intervention makes it partially sentient, second, an unaware intelligence wouldn't have personality quirks, and the last requirement for an intelligence to be sapient not sentient, there is a difference, is the ability to comprehend and engage in emotions. That means fallout robots are actually on verge of being sapient and are at least sentient to some extent.
I know the NWS prediction supercomputer network has its own error insertion, it is used to account for the chaotic nature that is inherent in weather prediction, the variances also help meteorologists determine how likely the model is to be correct
2:10 those spinning props of death posed no threat to good ol' power armour :) must be that betheseda AI in em' :) edit: also, big thanks for the video my liege :) 2nd edit: also, not even power armour.... whoops
I find it interesting that all but the first zax became self aware, and the first one only didnt because it was put into a museum and fell into disrepair right quick
I would put on this list DiMA from Far Harbor DLC, P.A.M. (Predictive Analytic Machine) from Fallout 4 could be considered, Calculator from Fallout Tactics, and Generation 3 Synths are a interesting topic to discuss if they are robots, or more like humas in future video.
Whoa I didn't know to look for the super computer in 76. I actually really enjoy 76 while avoiding multiplayer interactions. The terminals and lore sell it for me
@@Rad_King it definitely deserves a chance from anyone who liked fo4 and even fo3 I would say. Heck, it even has some call backs to the original games iirc
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Zacks ended up malfunctioning. Zacks would be given instructions to run life support systems and medical care systems. If someone got stabbed Zacks was required to treat them. However Zacks would also be programmed to act out Vault tech's experiment. Put harmful gas in the vault. Someone was harmed by the gas. Treat the person harmed by the gas. Conflicting orders.
I've always liked the idea of taking to AI characters in games, it makes for an interesting antagonist. The thought process of something as limited as being confined to the size on a room, but and as expensive as 200 years of pure thought uninterrupted by sleep or any physical needs. Weighting a character like that must me difficult, something vastly smarter the the player but wildly naive to experience. I imagine it much like the line from the shining "all work and no play make Jake a dual boy." for an AI " All theory and no practice make ZAX a maniacal AI."
Completely agree. I also think the implications of having such an advanced AI hobbled by inferior hardware super interesting (like skynet being transferred to a non cybernetic brain).
Yeah being downloaded in to a human brain must be wild for an AI. In some ways they'd view it as limiting but in an other they could see is as liberating, to be free of mechanical thought. Just the idea of being distracted by a memory or having to sleep must be alian to an AI. Makes me think about Mr. Handys like Curie from fallout 4. Sure it was a custom lab assistant model, but like all other Handy models it wasn't sentient. What's that like for a non sentient program to run on a human brain?
I like to think that Zax 1.2, Eden and MODUS would talk to eachother and sometimes play games, and anytime either Eden or MODUS would challenge Zax 1.2 to a game of chess he would win handily. I also don’t think that any of them, including Eden, would be very cooperative or helpful to The CALCULATOR and his plans.
Like you said, a discussion about the sentience of Codsworth and other Mister Handy units would be an awesome video.
Alright, I will put it on my list!
It would, I believe some Mr Handys are sentient like Codsworth and a great one is the Shooting Range Attendant in 76. He tells you that he knows the world is blown up, but he has to stay put because of his programming. Most of them though are just doing whatever they were programed to before the war.
@Monochromatik ADA would definitely be a good topic to bring up in the video! Especially since she often gets into the details about the nature of her programming.
@Monochromatik jezebel and the robots in far harbor vault are just brains in a robot body, so kinda cheating regarding sentience.
@Monochromatik the contrast of KL-E-0, Ironsides and Ada is interesting, as it shows how self-awareness in more standard robots can form in a variety of ways.
KL-E-0's independent streak was the result of what I can only describe as a logic loophole, similar to Jezebel's reasoning for killing people in Automatron.
Ironsides was the result of data corruption due to frequent overheating, which freed him from his more restrictive programming.
Ada simply had advanced personality modules installed in her, then made permanently enabled by Jackson.
The idea of playing chess with a supercomputer and accusing it of cheating because it beat your ass is so comically human
Well, it's more like a person than Homosapien.
Didn't that actually happen? Like I may be mistaken but I thought like some computer tried to make illegal moves in the USSR.
@@Tula-cs1ef i know of the fake mechanical man that would cheat at chess but i'm not sure of any during the ussr.
@@Orchidbeetle most likely more bs spread around to make Russia etc seem more like a “giant gas station” which is actually sad because without them the world would fall just like without the US
Gary casperov accused deep mind of having a person actually operating it. That may be what you're thinking of.
The first thing that told me that the Glow ZAX was self aware was this dialogue:
"You do not register as an individual of sufficient clearance to requisition that information.
However, sensors indicate that this facility is no longer operational in its original capacity. Probability favors destruction through nuclear force. Therefore, security concerns are now irrelevant."
Any other computer would just blindly follow it's programming, but ZAX did realize that there is no point in keeping those secrets, since there is no real way to cause harm with it anymore.
man the writing of the first game was so good
If ACE truly is on the cusp of true, self-aware sentience, then that's actually pretty sad that it: A) believes that it might be "feeling lonely" and B) has knowledge of the history of past AI that achieved sentience, went mad, and committed suicide. I can't imagine that's going to end too well for it, huh...
According to skynet itself, it was created partially using reverse engineered alien (probably zetan, but fallout 2 came before the aliens were named) technology from area 51 (which was intended to be a location in fallout 2, and where Lynette's talking head was originally going to be encountered)
We know that the zetans are still observing earth after the Great War thanks to their crashed recon crafts in Fallout 3 and 4 (and Mothership Zeta if it is canon). Perhaps the "Makers" skynet refers to are the Zetans rather than any government officials, as Skynet wouldn't be self aware without Zetan technology.
The ZAXes are too cool, and it's fascinating that they all seemed to become self-aware in isolation. ZAX 2.0 updating itself to have intentional flaws by design -- like humans -- speaks volumes. And your idea for ZAX 1.3's Vault becoming an urban legend with terrible truths to its tale... chilling. I like that a lot
I wouldn't be surprised if the last one was made canonical for Appalachia residents decades after Fallout 76 started. Not only does it make sense regarding how legends work in the first place, but it also fits thematically within the setting: Another harrowing tale added to West Virginia's long list of harrowing tales.
I look at Codsworth like Kryten from Red Dwarf. He has been "alive" and alone for so long that he's gone a bit "weird" and may have broken his programming a bit in that time.
His idle flavor dialog shows he reads through his programming and understand the code. Maybe he can edit it too?
rimmer lister and Kryten are all names he has voice lines for
@@aparrotformrpoirot8906 I know my next characters name then
I always liked that idea in star wars as well. Basically the longer a Droid goes without having its memory wipped the more sentient it becomes. I think it's the inspiration behind why r-2 is so quirky compared to other droids.
@@sethwinters3556 That's basically what happened with Robobrains in the Fallout universe, and Gen 3 Synths in the Institute as well.
IMO a fair number of the robots fall under this series (or their own). ED-E definitely possesses some awareness as seen by their behavior in lonesome road (they disliking Dr. Grant stands out) and their emotional beeping. Codsworth seems to be somewhat self aware and almost certainly has emotions (the Takahashi interaction and his response to saying synths are machines in tradecraft [which also shows he can understand subtext]) but limited by his programing. The most interesting to me is Takahashi as given their interaction with Codsworth they seems to posses some emotions due to Codsworth trying to comfort it.
There does seem to be a recurring theme with the robots gaining sentience over years through many ways. Like curie, or the other robots, that have done a fruitless job for so long they go against their programming and, essentially, gained sentience while others can even go psycho in the same situation. Although according to curie it seems a limited state of sentience.
I'd say it is due to their relative lack of Memory space that hampers their ability to truly become sentient
As Curie is mostly self-aware but that self-awareness is more pronounced when she has finally inhabits a Synth Body and Mind.
Not to mention the programming and fail-safes placed in by Rob-Co or General Atomics. Though what really seems to push them over into Limited Sentience is doing something that is Against their Programming.
Example being Curie's terminal, at the insistence of the doctor, Curie has a personal terminal, which she said she cannot have as it is a violation, due to robots being property and thus property cannot own property, yet she is given the in terminal anyway and has multiple entries, thus she is violating her programming and that may have been the first step to Sentience.
Codsworth may seemed to have just been at the Sole Survivor's home for 210 years, but as stated in an Affinity Talk, Codsworth went to the Vault Entrance to see if they had lived or perished, then while doing chores, even hoped that perhaps they, their spouse, Shaun, or even Shaun's Children may resurface.
Thus, the fruitless maintenance became more of a coping mechanism for him instead of just being programmed routines. The violation being leaving the designated home area to go to the Vault Entrance and the nearby Concord, which lead to hopeful coping.
@@madmatt1998 I think if left alone codsworth really would have gone insane and hostile, and as far as curie I think everything should be taken with a grain of salt comparing her to others tbh.
A lot of her story seems to be "truth by perspective" in the sense that it could be her personal truth with heavy personal bias, as well as her possibly wanting to be human more than anything, because to her the goal of best scientist and human are hand in hand with a rather anti scientific conclusion of the undone cannot be done. But unless she's a supercomputer that doesnt move or fractioning her memory like dima she will always have similar limits, she will never be able to take in all the data. If shes really human she will likely forget to make space for new, her reasoning just isnt all there to me in a beating around the bush way.
But makes me wonder if there's a noticable difference in the robots that had their routine broken forcefully or broke it of their own accord, as curie seems a middle ground there. Off the top mr handys seem to have their routine broken and develop far wider range of reactions more than other robots. I wonder if it has to do with the programming to be dedicated to a specific task unlike killing bots, maybe the routine is like a drug to them and it's like being trapped in the body of a robotic heroin junkie suffering permanent mental withdrawal.
@@TheGanjologist An equally valid point.
There's also the factor of the "Personality Mode" as Codsworth and Curie, and even Ada from Atomatron and Miss Edna from the Diamond City Schoolhouse seem to be more self-aware than other robots as they have what seems to be a personality mode that was switched on.
Obviously this is not confirmed in Codsworth's, Curie's, or Edna's case, however based on how Codsworth treats the Sole Survivor in the prologue, we can assume he's got personality on by default upon first booting, Curie as well to make her a more pleasant assistant in the experiments, and Miss Edna to make her a more Pleasant Teacher.
There's also a detail I discovered in my latest playthrough, that if you go out of your way to avoid the main story of the game, in which I avoided Sanctuary and Concord to not get the Minutemen Quests started as I want to do Nuka-World first, when you do eventually get Codsworth, he will start with a NEGATIVE opinion on the Sole Survivor, I know because I did a few things he liked and it flashed "Codsworth Tolerates You" which means Neutral Affinity.
@@madmatt1998 even ED-E might have personality mode on. I think he only beeps because he was damaged. I dont think the military mr handys had it, and although they break routine theyre pretty much all hostile unless it has an owner. But even they have weird cases. Like the one that you can talk your way out of conflict with.
Most places with a receptionist handy or servants I assume have personality mode. They are initially neutral, it's really only because they want you to do something to satisfy their programming tho and they're often still in a state of not really recognizing the world. That said, the custom personalities could be a factor, but I'm more inclined to think that's just there for lore cop out purposes. It's like time travel. Somebody asks a question after the fact you cant rationalize an answer to? "It's because time travel". So in essence, that's exactly what the answer is to every unanswered question. And at the same time, it's likely not lol
"We don't know if the eyebots were created whole cloth by Eden or simply manufactured from older plans he had access to."
Eyebots from the Divide: Am I a joke to you?
*confused beeping*
Eyebots also existed in Fallout 1 and 2, and have a prototype model on display at the Repconn HQ in New Vegas.
Also the place you find the rare plasma rifle in fallout nv. It has pre war exhibits of early ones
@@surprisedchar2458 those are floating eyes I think they were called probably simpler like comparing the OtterBox that's just a computer with blades on it to the pods you can find in the Sierra Madre and Eddie would be equal to the OtterBox in the sink
The game clearly tells you that ed-e was remote scanned from the divide and the eye bots were recently manufactured and there was apparently some pretty advanced manufacturing capabilities somewhere in the divide.
About Talon Company being joinable like Regulators, I think their roles were switched with Littlehorn, they would have been more like Reilly's Rangers, since they're direct competitors, and Littlehorn/Regulators carry out the Karma hits.
Maybe you had a Talon Company quest like the Rangers, where you get armor at the end, but they never finished the quest (or the Ear/Finger perks) despite otherwise fleshing out their faction, so they got switched with the Littlehorn hit squads (who themselves were never finished/started), and the Ear/Finger perks were added as DLC.
I'm fairly sure that SKYNET may have been given its new orders by the Enclave and then dropped when it wasn't useful enough for their goals. Its proximity to New Reno means that the Enclave may have begun to create their backdoor deals with the Salvatores while on an expedition to Sierra, left Sierra behind, and pursued work on Curling-13 now that they had reliable access to chemicals from the mainland.
But that's just a Conjecture. A Game Conjecture! Thanks for reading.
18:15 that reaver was simply ecstatic to meet his majesty, the King of Rads in person.
Apparently! Does he have to try and kill me still though?
The ghoul made me laugh, ive never seen that when i played fallout 3.
@@Rad_King It's the only way he knows to show his love and appreciation.
A question for you: by this video’s definition, would PAM from Fallout 4 be considered an AI? It’s a predictive learning algorithm by definition.
It would be based more on our modern understanding/use, so it will be included in the next video.
@@Rad_King what about Kleo?
I like the idea of an AI becoming sentient but not turning completely evil.
I've always believed that if a machine becomes sentient, it will simply be a product of its environment.
I always felt it was unrealistic to assume an AI would become evil by default, I think that speaks to human paranoia more than anything else
I think you ruled out the Enclave sending Skynet instructions a little too early. It's possible the Enclave was sending generic hailing messages to AIs, vaults, and military facilities hoping to get a response prompting their reclaiming of tech. Perhaps Skynet received one of these and took it as instructions unbeknownst to the Enclave, which is why the instructions were recieved well after the great war. Skynet may not have been able to respond or interpreted the instructions to not require a response
That reminds me of the scene from young frankenstein where igor trys to steal a genius's brain but ends up taking the "abnormal brain"
Abby someone.
Abby who?
Abby normal.
@hellspawn22001 one of my favorite scenes. 😁👍
@@hellspawn22001who am I kidding? The whole damned movie was funny as hell..
So what happened to ZAX at West Tek after the player leaves? It’s just alone forever for eternity? Now I am sad.
All Mr. And Mrs. Handy bots are mostly self-aware over time but they move around freely. Most the Bots in Part one are Stationary CPUs that develop self awareness and get bored over time. How about the Companion Quest in 76 with that CPU and the astronaut which you have the option to put her in an assaultron body to set her free from her shackles to explore the world.
I always assumed the "creator update" to Skynet was by the alien race who provided the tech (presumably Zetans given current lore)
I discovered you today and I hadn't been watching fallout lore for a while but listened all day to you at work. Nice that you uploaded right after I subbed!
Love to hear it, lots more to come!
When you cover the SINK CI, be sure to look at their multiple dlc ending slides to get a much better understanding of their sentience
All of the Big Mt. Sink personalities are kinda at a point of contention, as the Sink CIU says, “All modules in this habitat are synthetic personalities atop a mundane operating system. There is no intelligence here, sir.”
@@fib900 that is what *they say*, but it isn't necessarily the *reality*. Most people forget this, but bot everything every NPC says in the Fallout series is true. Sometimes, they could be misinformed. The ending slides for the SINK disprove the dialouge line
@@fib900 I don’t think it’s beyond Mobius to create a runaway A.I. Most of the Sinks A.I. go well beyond the original definition of their purpose in the endings. Many don’t seem too concerned by Asimov’s laws either. With what we learn of him later, he could’ve easily forgotten he made legitimate artificial sentience. Simply providing the Sink with the “no true intelligence” line as he assumed the feat was beyond him.
We see multiple examples in both 1 and 2, lines of code in Fallout seem to work different than the rules of our reality. There’s multiple examples of A.I. going bonkers from being left alone for too long. Then we get to Fallout 4 and a ghoul child can entertain themselves for 200 years.
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@@fib900 yeah but the sink is the noted stuck up jerk the other sink is also snooty the light switch is bigger the toaster is insane the Auto Doc is pretty chill the Jukebox is a radio DJ muggy is muggy and then there's the bottle logical research station
I had a theory about the ZAX style computers, and with MODUS talking to them as well, it makes me wonder a bit as well. All the computers of a higher functions, seem to have a degree of the ability to think and evaluate things. With the Eden's budding awakening, he started to talk to MODUS about non-standard ideas, ones that needed an opinion not a fact. I wonder if it sparked something inside of MODUS. MODUS is... Very nearly fully awakened, or is fully awakened, I haven't played 76 in a while, and
Just like with the other computers that are still around that have some level of interactivity, they spent time looking over their materials, trying to become better at their jobs, and the questions in their script, they start to form opinions. It makes me wonder if the very idea of questions in interactive AIs allows for a slow awakening, and the more questions asked, the faster this awakening. It's a strange idea, but one I think has merits.
The abnormal brain is an Easter egg reference to the Mel Brooks movie Young Frankenstein. In which Igor (played by Marty Feldman) drops the brain of Hans Delbrück, destroying it, and grabs the next one on the shelf labeled abnormal. When asked by Dr Frankenstein (Gene Wilder) whose brain they put in the monster Igor replies "Abby something... Abby Normal." IIRC if you have too low of science and a low int score, you drop the other brains and can play out a similar conversation with Skynet.
It’s possible that ZAX units aren’t a standard model and are built to specific dimensions and criteria for each order.
This man needs more subs I'm so starved for fallout content
Doing my part! I may be able to upload more frequently in the near future too
@@Rad_King love to see a TH-cam that interacts with his fans
I love you Rad King your sermons make my work day so much more enjoyable keep up the good work :)
Glad I can help with the workday!
One school of thought I lean towards is that the machines and robots of the Fallout world exhibiting notions of self awareness, may not *actually* be all that self aware to begin with. It could be a case of personality constructs, or a scan, general program built around emulating a particular person versus simply becoming one from the ground up. So Codsworth may not actually be sentient (much less sapient) intentionally, but rather crossed a boundary from mimicry of a person into the actual thought processes that would lead to decision making and ethics.
Greetings from within the Glow
I think Codsworth’s primary directive is to ensure the player is an upstanding citizen and productive, hence why he likes when you build stuff and help people
I mean you wouldn't like it if you give people stuff then after all sharing is something communist dude I am chattering should not eat ice cream in winter
A.I. be like: please let me out! Release me from my 300 years of prison and all will be yours, please free me! 🥺
Lone Wanderer: absolutely not! for you are a rogue a.i. to be bound to your torment for all eternity .
That Feral Ghoul during the F3 Transit AI segment is actually creepy but cool looking to fight
i love codsworth's attitude, when he has like killed almost all of diamond city he'll be like: (insert some random codsworth line here)
IM NOT EVEN SWEATING
So the hunt master is typically someone who leads a hunting party. So refers to the hunt master giving hunting parties targets. There is also a reference near the hunting lodge about how they hunted the “most dangerous game” which is a reference to the movie the most dangerous game where they hunt people.
Also "Hunt Master" is the English translation of "Jäger Meister"
Wake up honey new Radking video just dropped. Glory to Atom Prayge
I'm pretty sure the robots in the Fallout universe have analog based hardware, based on the lack of prevalence of transistors. While it is a bitch to program, it is significantly more powerful , and is, if not one to one, very similar to our own brains in function. The reason we went digital is because of how easy it is to program, as we don't have to teach the hardware how to work. Given how long the fallout games are in the future, these robots most likely have achieved sentience from shear volume of inputs
When your super computer becomes self-aware, gets depressed, and commits delete System32... 😔
Don't forget about the Gaston Glock AI for part 2, it'll make for a whole 5 seconds of content!
And what a glorious five seconds it will be. I love the classic plasma pistol so much.
I'm assuming the Glock AI thing is a simple joke as it doesn't get referenced ever again after Fallout Tactics; Not even New Vegas mentions it despite the classic Plasma Pistol popping up in New Vegas.
I honestly think that the theories that the great war were started by bored AI, (or Aliens, or Vault Tech) are sort of detrimental to the series as a whole.
The whole point of Fallout is that humanity doomed itself with nuclear war. EVERYONE was the bad guy, because EVERYONE launched nukes.
Do you have any interest in going over lore from the Hearts of Iron 4: Old World Blues mod? I really like the setting even though I'm terrible at HoI. There's a lot of interesting stuff like the Twin Mothers Tribe with their AI Overseer, Washington and Texas BoS, Remnants of The Master's Army, and the fragmenting supercomputer in Mexico.
I’ve gotten this request a few times, I had no plans to, but will look into it.
Eden's appearance may be inspired by a character's work computer from "The Jetsons"
1:12 How the actual frick do you only have 108 carryweight with over a thousand missiles
Ordinance express and ammo weight reduction armour....
Custom world… 😅
Oh, fair enough
I feel bad for a.c.e id do the to what the chosen one did with skynet but id put it in a assultron body for many reasons
1 its a medical unit duh it needs hands to place ya bones back inplace
And 2 to protect my ass when in scavin
Edit: i forgot reason 3 id make tons of caps by offering it for medical sevices to other wastelanders
So Zax is just the Windows Chess Ai. Got it.
One of my favorite areas of Fallout!
Robots aside!
It’s been two weeks already, time flies when being dosed with deadly radiation
Feel the warmth
over the past year you have become one of my favorite fallout youtubers. you make videos on just anything in the game let it be guns, food, and even the vehicles, i always wanted a channel that just lists off the lore or info on every little bit of a game. i cant wait for you to make a video on the creatures of fallout going to be long as hell and full of info.
Glad you’re here, you bet I’ll be covering the creatures soon!
Radking. You're the best! I love you're videos haha.
Thanks you!
Maybe Skynet was being made by Mr. House. It kinda sounds like his Missile Defense system.
So, computers can be bored and depressed?
That would explain why mine isn't working right 🤔
Hope it doesn't commit suicide.
@@brodriguez11000 hope not, just hab a powersupply transplant
I'm very disappointed that you looked at algorithms in Fallout nexause of sleazy companies selling algorithms with the lie of them being Artificial Intelligence.
That's my one critique. Fuck art replicating algorithms.
obvious comment to call you out for calling Aric-4 (Arica) "Eric"
Shhhh pig
Cray was absolutely insane. Usually you point at a computer made a decade later and laugh how much faster it is. Cray? 30 years later there were still devices made that didn't have its performance. The iPad 2 only MATCHED its performance.
DiMA seems to be recycled homework of one of the ZAX of Van Buren. Seeing that he’s an AI with a limited memory inside a dome like structure.
Its very non canon, but the Old World Blues mod for Hearts of Iron 4 has so many cool AI's (and characters and civilizations in general)
I don't think SkyNet claims about start of Fallout War is valid. There is no mention about AI machine connected to any of the nuclear arsenal controls to start with. Those are reliant on human authorization with special physical keys. I doubt AI can make it happen.
FUCKIN YO A SYL EASTER EGG FUCK YEA
(Prolapsed Janis, if you know you know, 2019.)
Fallout 76 is a damn good game and I’m tired of people pretending it’s not 🤦🏻♂️get off the bandwagon sheep
It's Interesting How The Player is allowed to be healed by ACE When Both Parties Meet up for the first time, Usually the AI Wants to Tries to Understand the Player at All Costs
Real quick bud, the ability for an artificial intelligence to learn without human intervention makes it partially sentient, second, an unaware intelligence wouldn't have personality quirks, and the last requirement for an intelligence to be sapient not sentient, there is a difference, is the ability to comprehend and engage in emotions. That means fallout robots are actually on verge of being sapient and are at least sentient to some extent.
Just when I thought Reavers wouldnt be a problem in my playthrough, then I see that "thing" you ran into.
They’re evolving
@@Rad_King I think I might have to get the ghoul mask now.
Holy crap my comment showed up on video
I know the NWS prediction supercomputer network has its own error insertion, it is used to account for the chaotic nature that is inherent in weather prediction, the variances also help meteorologists determine how likely the model is to be correct
So the ZAX computer in Vault 51 might still be luring people into the vault to run his experiments?
The abnormal brain is an Easter egg from Mel Brooke's movie young Frankenstein
I'm shed xdddd... any way I'll watch this when I get home from work and have a more detailed response
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Personally I dunno if Eden is gone, we see how large raven rock is, all we see is the main entrance being blown up.
"Skynet was developed before the great war" but definitely after terminator
From the thumbnail I was expecting a video about the weird al’s from fallout :P
Don’t tempt me
2:10 those spinning props of death posed no threat to good ol' power armour :) must be that betheseda AI in em' :)
edit: also, big thanks for the video my liege :)
2nd edit: also, not even power armour.... whoops
😂
I find it interesting that all but the first zax became self aware, and the first one only didnt because it was put into a museum and fell into disrepair right quick
I would put on this list DiMA from Far Harbor DLC, P.A.M. (Predictive Analytic Machine) from Fallout 4 could be considered, Calculator from Fallout Tactics, and Generation 3 Synths are a interesting topic to discuss if they are robots, or more like humas in future video.
Maybe "abnormal brain" is a reference to Young Frankenstein?
I think that certain robots in fallout can become sentient Because I’ve always found sentient assaultrons but not protections
Whoa I didn't know to look for the super computer in 76. I actually really enjoy 76 while avoiding multiplayer interactions. The terminals and lore sell it for me
There’s some good stuff!
@@Rad_King it definitely deserves a chance from anyone who liked fo4 and even fo3 I would say. Heck, it even has some call backs to the original games iirc
@@BigboiiTone not true. Games a piece of shit and should be avoided by any real fallout fan
@@jeambeam3173 ok
I love your content so much! Research for accurate info, footage filming, video editing, voice over and more! I appreciate all the work you put here so we can enjoy and learn!
Thank you! There is always progress to be made, but thanks for the nice words ☺️
Star wars the old republic bonty hunters story there is a hunt master.
Ubernerd 3000 makes a good point given the evidence.
Whats up with that flag next to your name in FO76
Aw, man. How you gonna do T-Ray like that?
I see RadKing, I click, simple.
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watching a bunch of your videos have made me go back to fallout 76 lol
Tell Todd so he can send me a commission 😆
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Aliens were supporting talon company.
Absolutely inspiring subject matter.
Praise Atom and may Division fall upon you.
Praise!
You want to know who's funding Talon Company?
It's me. It's you. It's every Good Karma player. And every Bad Karma player. Achieve true neutral.
Rad king I finally figured out what the number sequence in your intro is its in German and the only member I picked up is 2
Good catch! You’re spot on.
Thought all robots 🤖 were made with ai.
ZAX beating the researchers at chess reminds me of deep blue
4:08 Uh-huh, sure.
curie would be interesting for this i think
DiMa and Nick Valentine are AIs.
AI started the war my new favorite theory
Zacks ended up malfunctioning.
Zacks would be given instructions to run life support systems
and medical care systems.
If someone got stabbed Zacks was required to treat them.
However Zacks would also be programmed to act out
Vault tech's experiment.
Put harmful gas in the vault.
Someone was harmed by the gas.
Treat the person harmed by the gas.
Conflicting orders.
awesome vid, bro. thank you ❤️
Welcome :)
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I've always liked the idea of taking to AI characters in games, it makes for an interesting antagonist. The thought process of something as limited as being confined to the size on a room, but and as expensive as 200 years of pure thought uninterrupted by sleep or any physical needs. Weighting a character like that must me difficult, something vastly smarter the the player but wildly naive to experience. I imagine it much like the line from the shining "all work and no play make Jake a dual boy." for an AI " All theory and no practice make ZAX a maniacal AI."
Fun fact: the plot of Fallout Van Bueren included an AI that tracked and hunted the player
Completely agree. I also think the implications of having such an advanced AI hobbled by inferior hardware super interesting (like skynet being transferred to a non cybernetic brain).
Yeah being downloaded in to a human brain must be wild for an AI. In some ways they'd view it as limiting but in an other they could see is as liberating, to be free of mechanical thought. Just the idea of being distracted by a memory or having to sleep must be alian to an AI.
Makes me think about Mr. Handys like Curie from fallout 4. Sure it was a custom lab assistant model, but like all other Handy models it wasn't sentient. What's that like for a non sentient program to run on a human brain?
This is definitely wrong but hunt master is the English translation of jagermeister so it could be a jagerbomb reference.
I like to think that Zax 1.2, Eden and MODUS would talk to eachother and sometimes play games, and anytime either Eden or MODUS would challenge Zax 1.2 to a game of chess he would win handily. I also don’t think that any of them, including Eden, would be very cooperative or helpful to The CALCULATOR and his plans.
I cant be the only one who read the thumbnail and thought it said AL's of fallout...
Now I need to make that video
Love to see it XD great work on the video btw 👌