I would buy that modmic, but uhhh 120.00 basically is a bit steep for something like that. I think you're a good pc builder. I don't know why you don't have more subscribers. I have been building and modding since 1990..286/12mhz days. (I had a homemade water cooling system I built waaaay back in 2006), and yes it worked perfectly. Unfortunately the cpu's back then didn't like overclocking much. I got my opteron 185 300mhz above stock...temp wasn't the problem at all. What I normally do personally is buy the best mobo at the time, stick it in a case, and upgrade until it's maxed out. Meaning memory, cpu, hard drives, ssd's, etc. This usually gives me about a 10-13 year upgrade path, then I start all over.
6:00 - Testing here is flawed unless you capped Cyberpunk to 60fps on PC when taking those power draw numbers. Furthermore, did you confirm that the PC and Console version of the "performance mode" result in the same settings?
@@mokahless Stop being a meat in bread person and putting people down. Consoles Suck, PC's Truck. 2 Strokes Truck, 4 Strokes Suck. All he had to do is stick a 3070 in there and it would beat the consoles.
Interesting I can track my recent upgrades run around 3-3.5 years. But each rig I recall 2011, 2016, 2019, 2023. I think game selection will be important. Sometimes it's CPU stutters that made me upgrade, not really a desire to do so and changing from 1080P ultra to 1440P. I ruined my complacency with 1440P there was nothing wrong with 1080P. At the time I got the current display (2020) thinking my mother would be happy I could isolate myself for raid time, but nope. I do keep a lot of my builds around and a lot of storage drives, it's great to max out though I will usually put a lot of older builds on Linux. @@shanemitchell477
Something to keep in mind with consoles is the added cost of subscriptions required for a lot of functionality. A PC is also capable of countless types of general purpose usage.
The PC gaming library alone justify spending even more than 500 bucks on a PC. And if you add the possibility to run mods, then it became even better. Not to mention PCs can deal with the downsides of DRM and server shutdown with much more flexibility.
My pc cost 1500 more than my ps5 but I will continue to game on consoles. I honestly prefer physical copies of games and pc dont give us that anymore. I bought several 3rd party games on ps5 instead because I really like those games and a fan of the devs. Elden Ring, Final Fantasy 7 remake, Resident evil 4 remake, dying light 2. Just to name a few.
Not only does my PC game the latest titles, it does mySchool work, my side hustle cg/graphics work, my home media center, video editing and creating 3D print files.
Ok but this PC in the video isn’t actually comparable to a PS5. The PS5’s GPU is similar to a 6700 that is considerably more powerful than a 2060 and competes more with the 2080. For the Price of a PC that would perform the same as a PS5 you can buy a PS5 and a cheap laptop or an iPad and do the same thing and have 2 devices.
@@Seb7anbro you sound like a 10 year old saying that shit. If you're bringing your Xbox to friends in a backpack you gotta be in middle school, no grown adult does that lmfao
@@DashVandleActually you cant, no. Performance in 3D related programs is just not good with entry level laptops or really old pcs.Doing any 3D/digital/graphics work requires at least a ryzen 5 3600 like he mentioned in a video and an entry level gpu, so you would have to buy a computer that would cost you at least 300 bucks second hand. So no, its not comparable...
Spent around $700 bucks for my first PC build in 2015, the only upgrade was a really cheap GPU 2 years later. It absolutely held up for 9 years of great gaming. The newest and most graphic-intensive titles are starting to run really slow (low settings, 20-30 fps). But this thing still runs Counter Strike 200fps like a champ lol
About the GPU portion of the video... there is a gpu we can directly compare the PS5 to, which is the RX 6700 non-XT variant, and pairing that with a 4700g will essentially be like the PS5's processing unit. Same core count for the GPU and CPU, same amount of TMUs and ROPs, so you can't really say that there is a closer gpu to the PS5 than the RX6700, especially considering they are both based on the same architecture. Of course, console killers do not need to have the same specs as a console itself but I'm just pointing it out.
@@ZackSNetwork Correct, but on the other hand, the GPU in the PS5 and Xbox have access to a large unified pool of memory, while the 6700 is stuck with 10gb of VRAM.
@@yasu_redThe PS5 and Series X don’t have unified memory. They have shared memory because they are APU’s. They share the same memory and bandwidth with both the CPU and GPU. As for the RX 6700 it has infinity fabric that more than makes up for its unified memory. Also the PS5 and Series X only use 10-12gbs of vram for games anyway.
I really like your channel. Its peaceful. its not all about the fastest stuff. And it proves that you can still game with old GPUs. Im sick of the "8 GB of vram is too little" chatter all over everywhere else.
I'm definitely not the average gamer but for me, 8gb kinda is too little. I pretty much only play beamng drive. Optimized shittily but I've sunk more than 400 hours in, prolly gonna double or triple that once I can play maps larger than 1.6x1.6mi at 60fps with the lowest settings. This is coming from someone that went from rx570->980 ti->1080, from 4, to 6, to 8gbs. 8 still ain't enough. Especially not if you want to do anything other than 1080p, which I do.
@@jash6348 Ah, yeah If you move up to 1440p and higher. More Vram is better. But 8GB can still play moderately well at that point. Just with tempered expectations
Do not buy Nvidia cards if you want to build console killer machine. Reason is simple, both PS5 and Xbox use AMD graphics chips, and they are usually significantly better in performance/price ratio. Especially in budget segment. If you want console killer go with 6600, 6600M, 5700XT, 6600XT , 6650XT etc ...
Great video Ozi. PCs are so much more versatile than consoles. But consoles do have their place for those who don’t want to build a PC, deal with software issues, etc.
But always gets kicked by consoles in terms of price to performance. If You're a gamer and have budget of price same as console, just get it much better choice. Also, who's gonna wait for games that released years ago on consoles.
@@computerscience1101 don't be so partial, it's not black and white. You said "You're a gamer and have budget of price same as console, just get it much better choice". Let me fix that for you: You're a gamer and have budget of price same as console, then choose what you like the most, not what others say it's the best.
if you are a first time pc builder you can get a starter pack or combo and get mouse, keyboard, headset, mousepad and maybe even a joystick for $50 and im sure you can find a used monitor for $50 more. also, you can account for the path of upgradability in a pc, when the PS6 launches, if you want it you will have to straight up buy it, with a pc thats not the case, you can slowly upgrade it over time to keep up, and if you just want to compete with consoles upgrading that exact setup to the equivalent CPU and GPU will be cheaper, as you can still use most components without any problem, SSD, MOBO, RAM, PSU will still be usable for the next build.
Im so happy this channel is taking off now, I remember being here before 10k, and seeing all the horrible hate comments 😭, Oz is finnaly getting the recognition he deserves. Also ghe off-white sweater went Too Hard
Great video! If it wasn't mentioned already, I have a few suggestions: 1) You touched upon it in the video somewhat; Under Volting the CPU will greatly reduce heat and help improve performance. 2) Under Volting the GPU / graphics adapter will also reduce heat and help improve performance 3) If your motherboard and GPU support it, ticker with the fan curve to adjust fan speed only when temps increase to a certain threshold. This may reduce fan noise level. **Tweaking these settings may take a few days due to stress testing / trial-and-error so be patient** There are a good number of resources on how to perform the tweaks mentioned above on TH-cam. A simple search with the make / model of the device of interest should suffice. 👍🏼
Applying less voltage then it comes with by default. Due to how PBO works, applying less voltage can result in less heat, and more performance. This is completely the opposite to how overclocking was done back in the days, back then it was the norm to increase voltage for more Mhz. Some manufacturers are notorious for having UEFI/BIOS settings with waaaaay to much voltage out of the box. Most motherboards, videocards, etc. come with very safe defaults out of the box. Most of the time, you can lower the voltage without any issue/damage or long term effects.
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I built a $500 pc with a GTX 1080 and a Ryzen 5600 CPU. Got a good motherboard, PSU and drive. Already had the case. Runs 1440p on med-high lretty well on AA or indie games and 1080p high with pretty much no dips below 80-100fps on most games.
It's interesting reading these comments, because I'm seeing people share in and enthusiastically make a point I once swore up and down was THE TRUTH, but then had to admit it wasn't when met with reality. I was someone who believed as well that PCs were the end all be all of gaming. I was there when the Master Race memes were created. We all believed PCs would be the future of gaming, and consoles would fall to the wayside, or become PCs themselves. Except its been 15 years since the words "Glorious PC Master Race" have been first uttered, and in that time, consoles are still the standard. Games are still designed for consoles first, then ported to PC as an afterthought. All the expensive hardware and updated drivers in the world can't save you from a Jedi Fallen Order PC release or from the terrible PC optimization of many AAA games that have released this year. The hardware, specifically the most important piece of hardware for PC gaming, had its price massively skyrocket. 15 years ago, the most high-end consumer graphics card cost twice as much as a console. Today, it costs over 4 times as much, and that's if you get it retail MSRP. Then there's the tinkering, tweaking, troubleshooting, maintenance, and puzze solving as to why something isn't working the way it's supposed to work. Now I know most people here who read that paragraph are rolling their eyes. I know this because a younger me would roll my eyes anytime that argument was brought up. "Well that sounds like a user issue, not a PC gaming issue," a former me, and I'm sure many reading this would say. Except we all know that response is not the truth. Deep down we all have several stories of games that wouldn't run, or wouldn't do something we wanted them to do, and how we spent HOURS getting that game to run, or researching on Reddit, or obscure old messages for people who encountered the same problem, or how we encountered a brand new problem no one else had the solution for, but we figured it out. Now we had the workaround, and we had the power to share it with the masses and everyone who was experiencing the same problem can play the game on their hardware now. We've all experienced one or multiple forms of those circumstances as PC Gamers. The difference is we usually see the experience as a badge of honor. We relay the story of wrangling the unruly technology like how a conqueror regales the trials and tribulations of conquering the land he now stands on. We act as though fighting the game, our hardware, and our specific configurations to PLAY the game is a rite of passage that builds character, and makes one worthy to finally sit down and enjoy the thing they bought or in many cases, pirated. Not everyone views it like that though, and I recently had to come face to face with that reality because of Monster Hunter Rise:Sunbreak. To give a little backstory, MHR came out on Switch exclusively first. I'm such a big fan of the series that I looked past the 30 fps and low res, dusted off my Switch, and dug in. MHRS, the expansion is announced, and the PC port we all knew was coming drops. I decide I'm done with 30 fps and low res, and it's time to get back to real gaming, even if that means abandoning my hundreds of hours save file. Time to get back to PC gaming. I upgrade my PC, and then spend 5 hours trying to get MHRS to run. Now usually, this was a tango I was down for. 5 hours is nothing to the old me from a long time ago who once spent days getting games to work, and almost enjoyed that as much as the games. But this wasn't the old me. Now there were 4 children around me, all being homeschooled by me. Now I took my fitness and health seriously and carved out time in the day to workout and be active. Now I had a serious long term partner. That 5 hours over 2 days that I spent trying to get software to work, researching error messages, trying every configuration, etc was no longer the engaging experience it used to be. It was just tedious. I was close. I really was, but I had a realization that made me give up. This won't be the last time. Especially not for a game whose lifespan is usually close to 2 years with multiple patches. I didn't have the time nor want for this, and I wouldn't have the time or want for it when it would inevitably happen with a future update, patch, or hardware configuration change. In that moment, I had to admit that a view I held, and had had so many heated discussions offline and online about was wrong. In the 15 years since, "Glorious PC Master Race" entered the lexicon, PC gaming has began to receive worse and worse ports with worse optimization where the best cards in the world can't even max them out without using AI. The cost of the hardware necessary has skyrocketed, and the tedium that sometimes comes with PC gaming has yet to be addressed. Case in point, many people here are saying that people should include the cost of subscriptions over 5 to 7 years when comparing the price of consoles to PCs. I love it. I'm all about letting people visualize and realize the hidden costs to their behaviors and purchases. What people should also do, is find their average hourly pay rate, start tracking how much time of their PC gaming sessions in a year is spent in an in-game configuration menu, researching error codes, downgrading or upgrading drivers for specific games, or installing a special mod or community fix to get a game working how it should, then times that by the aforementioned hourly pay rate, and add that to the cost of gaming annually on a PC. This isn't a a "PC gaming sucks," post. I still game on PC, just not as much as other convenient mediums. It's a post from a former PC first gamer about how we have to be honest with ourselves. There is nothing "Master Race" about the current PC gaming experience, even if prices are slightly better. Even the extreme frame rates and improved visuals that incentivized the creation of that meme are something only a fraction of PC Gamers get to experience. Saying PCs are "inherently better than consoles," in the context of gaming, like the top comment does, reeks of the same emotional tribalism that makes a PS5 owner tell a Series X owner his painted plastic box is better because reasons. It's just one option of many, with its own list of pros and cons. Were it "inherently" better than the other options, it would be the standard everyone chooses, and the standard developers optimize for. My rambling aside, this is great content.
Honestly, that case fits the whiteout setup I was going for about 7 years ago. I had the following, if you're curious: - Corsair Carbide Air 240 in white with black accents and interior - Black & White MSI RX 480 GPU - MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC White MOBO - 8 GB Black and White Ballistix RAM - i5-7500 (just so the specs are out there) It was cool, but the Air 240 is notorious for GPU cables rubbing on the acrylic window. Turns out, it's actually enough to leave a scuff mark on the window itself.
I think the biggest factor is getting a motherboard that you can still use in 5 years.. in 2019 I built a budget gaming computer around an Asus X570 and a Ryzen 3 with integrated graphics, later adding an RX 570.. even though the AM4 platform is “dead” I still have lots of room to upgrade, lots of graphics card options, pleanty of room to improve ram, so almost 5 years later for $500 I can get a pretty crazy system!
just built my first ryzen computer, msi x470 with ryzen 5 2600 and am so happy with how much room to upgrade I have with this motherboard and socket. I used to have a i7-860 on a generic motherboard lol
This is the video that got me into PC building. I was looking for some kind of budget build to replicate since I was just starting out. Sure enough, as I learnt more about PC building, my build spiraled completely into something of my own. Yes, it's double the price of this, but I won't ever forget that without this video, I may have never gotten into PC building. Thanks man, much love.
Another banger video, I'll always remember buying components for my first gaming PC with the help of your videos, slowly building the computer each day while watching your videos. Thanks Oz
I built a PC in that case recently, and think yall should know the power indicator light is like a laser. It will shine a blue circle on the ceiling, and can disturb your eye when reaching around the pc to plug things into the back. You can unplug it if you want, or just be ware. I still think its a great case. Just wish I had known.
Another great video Oz, thank you for continuing to produce content. I will say the used market is crazy strong right now and if someone was patient they could get at least a 25pct performance uplift buying used. But I love the all new option for simplicity and those not wanting to deal with buying used.
Except for the fact that I have messaged 10+ people on Facebook marketplace about their used parts asking when I could pick them up and I get left on read every time
Great video. I love your style and humor. You didn’t sugar coat your mistakes and shortcomings. It’s also refreshing to see a build that doesn’t cost $2000+. Thanks a lot. I bought a PS5 for my kids a couple Christmases ago. They’re not serious gamers so they’re not pushing it to its limits. They also have Lenovo Legion 5 gaming laptops but they don’t use them for gaming that much either.
I really appreciate the video Oz! Going back to school for Electrical and Computer Engineering, it really helps to have a PC (obviously lol). But with constraints with funding, I can't really justify a new XBOX/PS5 AND a PC. So the multifunctionality is a MAJOR win for the PC in my book! The fact that the PC can be a gaming device, a tool, and a learning device all in one, helps me to not only relax and play some Stardew Valley or Minecraft, but also work on coding, math, emails, etc.
I went through the same thing back about the time that the PS4 was new on the market. I was going back to college and needed a new PC because my old Pentium 3 was severely outdated. So I decided to build a gaming PC instead with my intention of buying a PS4 later. However after I discovered all of the new benefits and exclusive PC games that were more my taste I never went back to consoles. The PS3 was my last console.
I have both a gaming pc and a ps5, and since I work remotely I would always choose a pc since its not limited to gaming/entertainment, but one insteresting point for me is that most of the "console killer pc" videos come years after the consoles come out, so I'd love to see someone take on the challenge the same year a console is launched. Also the consoles come with a quality controller that is at least 50 (euro here I suppose its similar in dollars) that should definitely be taken into account because you can't tell me that its a similar experience to using a dirt cheap 10 dollar keyboard and mouse combo
Good points, generally every console controller can be used on a PC. And if you go for one of those Elite/Pro controllers on the console (those run between $100-200 USD), you can fund a decent K/M setup on the PC side. There is wiggle room.
I remember when the PS4 came out and lots of youtubers came out with budget console killer builds. None of the pc builds survived past 2016. Even more so for the builds that included a blu-ray/CD player & hifi sound card. Yet I know people on launch model consoles who can still play some of the latest games, on 10 year old hardware.
@@labibahasan8302 Exactly, these people are delusional. They quickly jump to the gpu being equivalent to the amd 6700 non xt not realizing it's a COSTUME version meaning it's similar but not the same. They fail to understand a console is a onetime investment and the pc for the most part its not, at one point you will have to add more RAM or a better video card or bigger psu etc. They argue about how you have to pay for MP in consoles which for me and many more its irrelevant since I don't play nor care about MP. For me the strong point of the console is the single player games. I personally I have and play on both platforms, why limit yourself when you can have the best of both worlds.
A PC build video for the masses, done in great style! We all like to watch $5000 builds on TH-cam the same way we like to see Ferraris and Lambos but when the chips are down, builds like this are much more accessible to the common audience. Personally, I am the kind that scrimp on my daily necessities so I can afford some luxury but for people with bigger responsibilities and aspirations, a more affordable yet practical build is 100% the way to go. That is why the console playerbase makes about 70% of most games: more economical and hassle-free; but for those who just cannot do without the comforts of KB+M, there's always $500 PC build videos by Oz! Subbed :)
i'm from Brasil and one thing PC also have over consoles is the fact that most games have regionalized prices. Some games on games are like 50% lcheaper on steam than they are in the psstore/eshop/etc
I can’t believe the youtube algorithm sometimes. I recently decided to build my own PC for the first time and have been on the hunt for a good build and walkthrough video for an okay budget vs the console purchase decision. Then this came up. I am exactly the audience for this video. The design looks great, and i love your style. This is applicable pc building for a different audience than that of the classic “pc gamer”. Thank you for this and subscribed!
I love the idea of having a multimedia pc in my living room that serves both as a gaming console and is hooked up to my AV Receiver so that it can play blue rays and also serve streaming duties. It just comes down to how much of a DIYer you are
Picked up a bunch of lightly used HP prebuilts for cheap recently. Ryzen 5300G, 8gb (2x4) 3200MHz DDR4, RTX 3060 12gb, and a 250gb NVME drive ... $300. Been upgrading them for flips or pulling parts for custom builds. A bit of hunting right now can lead to some super nice deals. And, while prebuilts like those HPs suck from the factory, if it's a good enough price you can always pull the non-proprietary parts and go from there.
You have a CPU bottleneck. 8gbs of ram is not good you need at least 16gbs of ram. You can’t fit much of anything either on a 250gbs SSD. The 3060 12gb is a great budget GPU though.
Where the hell did you find a prebuilt with a 3060 ($450ish) card for $300. That's better than my previous find which were two complete FX 8350/32GB Systems that the guy told me "Hey, are you into computers? I just throw two away in the garbage you can have if you want."
@@Atari5732 - A guy who had bought the machines for mining right before the crash. They have just been sitting in his garage. I got 7 of them. But deals like that aren't that rare now. The prices I'm willing to pay for parts is ever dropping. To be fair, I hunt for deals since I build PCs perpetually.
I like how you compare factors other than gaming, such as the size of the build compared to consoles and how much power it draws. Other youtubers would just build a PC and mostly aimed to perform better in games rather than save space, or draw less power, and so on. Great video!
Nice vid. Never built a pc before but im interested in a "mid tier" build that can run emulation and older pc games while looking cool and having a smaller form factor.
Just saw this guy in my recommended cause I’m really into pc gaming and honestly, holy shit you’re video was amazing, good editing not over the top with the information and pretty chill vibe and THE VOICE (i fucking can’t handle myself with a chill guy with a deep voice
In Cyberpunk 2077, the PS5 was at 1800p but it also had Dynamic Res. Scaling activated, meaning that its render res varies depending on the scene. You could’ve enabled DLSS on PC and the PC would’ve reached roughly the same ballpark of performance, along with possibly better visuals; owning to DLSS having a better anti-aliasing solution.
This is a great video and I love builds that are budget constrained, but I have some points that I thought about: PS5's GPU (RX 6700) is better than a RX 7600, Digital Foundry themselves usually use a 2070S as a PS5 equivalent, although you could always get a proper 6700 (non-XT). Also the whole "PC is more useful than a console" argument is great for someone that doesn't ALREADY have a computer, usually people that buy consoles just want something to game on, and already have a simple computer or laptop. And then there's also the simplicity and ease of use, consoles is pretty much plug and play, PCs... not so much. For us that actually know what we're doing, it's second nature, but for the average user the whole driver installs/upgrades, graphics optimization, troubleshooting when something goes wrong, etc. is way too much. And lastly, the price does not account for a controller, which is included with consoles.
I think, we need to stop babying the gaming market. Building a pc is a learning experience, sure, but if you treat it like something to fear, you're only going to push people away.
The RX 6700 is still faster than the PS5 GPU. It is not limited in memory bandwidth nor does it have as limited thermal envelope. The CPU in the PS5 and Series X is equivalent to a zen 1+ 2700x. The consoles are a lot weaker than people think.
@@ZackSNetwork The CPU in the Series X and PS5 are zen 2 and is more likely equivalent to a 3600 and the PS5 can allocate up 10gb of it's memory to vram and it's really not far off in term of perfomance to the rx 6700 even 6700xt, keep in mind a big chunk of PS5 and Series X games runs at 1440p upscale to 4k, so maybye you underestimate them.
At this point I don't think we should count controllers anymore because most people have older controllers that will work with the pc I have like 4 ps4 controllers at my house from when I gamed on it and they work perfectly fine with my pc. All your other arguments are fair, but even if they already have a laptop or some weaker computer to do work, the whole selling point of the pc is that it can do BOTH. And thats something he didn't touch upon on purpose. The pc in general is just better value overall and though you are right the idea of trouble shooting and maintenance and such are intimidating, people aren't gonna learn if they don't try. They also have a plethora of resources on the very device to help that process. TH-cam videos, articles, Google etc. Can provide them with answers and help as they need it. The device can be a back up for work and a proper gaming console while the console is only good for gaming and video streaming through apps like Netflix and TH-cam.
@@ZackSNetwork That is absolutely, factually, 100% incorrect. The PS5 GPU has much higher native bandwidth at 448GB/s but no L3 cache. The RX 6700 has a native 320GB/s memory bandwidth but makes up for this with an 80MB L3 cache (Infinity Fabric), so bandwidth wise they come out about the same. That part about "limited thermal envelope" is completely made up. The PS5's SoC does not throttle and the GPU is specced for a sustained TDP of 180W, whereas the RX 6700 has a 175W TDP. Basically identical. The PS5 GPU has a static GPU clock speed of 2233MHz; the 6700 has a game clock of 2174MHz. Again, basically identical. As far as the CPU portion, they are about equivalent to the Ryzen 3600. They have 2 more cores, but a lot less L3 cache due to using the monolithic Renoir design instead of the chiplet Mattise design. Some games will favor going from 6 to 8 cores and the lower latency from the monolithic design more than the additional L3 cache, others will favor the much larger L3 more. It's a toss up. Stop making up shit about topics you are completely uninformed about.
As iGPU's continue to improve, that time is really not far off. The 780m does pretty well on a mini pc configuration, nowhere near console levels, but still surprisingly good for what they are
The upgradability point is massive. In a year or two, you could have swapped in a better GPU, 32gb of ram and doubled storage easily. It would then be ultra competitive all whilst being able to program, make music, complete work tasks. AND you have the satisfaction of having built it yourself. That has value.
To reduce electric consumption you need to use vsync, and frame capping to a 60fps this will put less strain on the hardware while also using less power by 20-45%. For example DL2 in 1080p high with with my PC went from 190W to 110W on a I5-12500T, Z690 MB, and a RTX 4060 (it was 220W to 150W with my old RX6600 BTW). The game I saw little to no help on this was RDR2 unless I lower quality settings only. Power reading was a out of the wall power reading on a kilowatt meter
@@appsaucetech To a degree yes, but to another no. This works on higher resolutions too that older cards nor low end cards can not do as well. This also helps with other areas including giving you a smother game play which is one reason a lot of gamers do prefer a console. Response times will also be better as well. Anyway try playing Dying Light 2 in 1440p or 4K on a GTX 1060, 1650 super, or a RX580 heck try in in high settings natively in 1080p. I have played it on a 1650 super & it was not so super. Was it serviceable yes, but not great either. Were this becomes moot is older titles or those that have the requirement bar way low like CS: Go, other E-Sports titles, and or older/indie titles. Consoles have vsync on, and they have frame caps of the majority of their games for the same reasons, and more.
@@OzTalksHW If you use FSR on a RTX you will get zero benefit in both performance & power consumption reduction. It's best to use DLSS on my 4060 in Cyberpunk in 4K, PS5 settings, and DLSS set to auto I maintained 60fps with a 175W power draw. With DLSS turned off but FSR turned on I got 36fps and a 240W power draw. Also for some reason my 35W CPU also auto overclocked to 65W during the entire test (that is not normal). On AMD cards AMD Chill will be the best way to go (set the minimum & max FPS manually to 60) It'll only max out if you don't keep your expectations grounded to reality quality wise.
Trust me, I have played minecraft with shaders at 4k on my 6600. I needed a 60fps cap. If a card doesnt have the performance to reach 60fps then of course a cap will not lower usage in that sense. I don't know why you mention that gamers prefer a console because of the cap. A pc can have a custom cap set, so if you have the performance for say a 75fps cap then it will be better than the console. Besides, the consoles can't even reach the 60fps most of the time, and thats with fsr. A pc will generally have a much smoother frametime because you can set the proper cap for your hardware.@@JeremyLeePotocki
Well, I did something similar for myself. I went to a local price comparison site and made a build similar to Xbox series X. It cost more than the double of a series X. Without keyboard and mouse.
the only problem is , if you're a newbie when it comes to pcs, god forbid something goes wrong or breaks, its a different type of headache trying to figure out what is wrong and another headache trying to troubleshoot
I've Built systems for under $550 with much higher specs that do compare nicely against consoles, I feel like at this time though you still currently have to buy most parts used to get it in that budget. I've built systems with RX6700 and RTX 3060ti during the pandemic all which used brand new parts. some of the components could have also cost less like the RTX 2060 super you had shouldn't cost more than $100 which stacks up on the final price. Nice video and thanks for uploading happy holidays
Ive been making this point a lot lately. Air turbulance and air velocity effect efficiency a lot. PCs often have air moving in like 10 different directions from numerous dedicated fans. Whereas consoles and laptops have directional flow from one end to the opposite end.
The best GPU option under $200 right now is to buy used and get an RTX 2070 Super for around $150-170. They cost about the same as the RX 5700 XT, but they're a tiny bit faster and has more hardware features like AI upscaling cores (Tensor cores) and Mesh Shaders. At the low $200s, a used 6700 XT is the best option.
Cables come with the monitor and insanely cheap, you don’t need windows key to use the pc, plenty of mouse and keyboard combinations under the price of a controller.
@@averagemike2171 you can use a monitor with a console and TVs also come with HDMI cables. None of that negates the fact that an HDMI cable is included in the price of a PS5. You're correct that you don't need to use a Windows key on PC. Heck, you don't even need to use windows. I'm pretty sure Oz does in this video though. If you're not going to factor at least the cost of a grey market windows key, it would make sense to explain what alternative is being used for the OS, (even if it's just windows with the watermark). Lastly, you're not going to find a keyboard and mouse with comparable quality to the PS5 controller for significantly cheaper. Even if you did (let's say that you personally thought that a $20 keyboard and mouse combo was the equivalent of the PS five controller), he would still need to factor that into the cost of the PC since again, the cost of the controller is included in the cost of the console.
I love this comment. Why pay $500 for a pc comparable to a ps5. At that point just buy the ps5 as games would be better optimised for the ps5 (games are easier to optimise for one set of hardaware). The whole concept of pc vs console baffles me. If you’re on a budget just get the ps5 unless you specifically need the pc. If you have a higher budget build a pc. It’s as simple as that. It’s just about price to performance. Same goes for the pc players that compare their $2000 pcs to consoles. Your pc is 4x the price and would theoretically have 4x the performance (although this isn’t usually the case) there is no need to compare the two because yours wins every single time, that’s why you spent $2000 on it. At the end of the day it’s all about preference, budget and needs. If you need it to play exclusive games then that’s your option. If you need it to be able to multitask or do office work or whatever then that’s your choice. So simple.
And use FSR to upscale, so anything upscaled will automatically lose to DLSS of the 2060 Super. But Oz said he wanted to match it with brand new parts and have it repeatable easily. He could've clearly beat it by going for used parts and deal hunting imo.
@@hamza.991 isn't the desktop versions ALWAYS faster than any other ones that includes the mobile GPU ( if I'm saying it right) look at the base Rx 6600 vs Rx 6600M the Rx 6600 is around 5% overall faster
Im so happy this channel is taking off now, I remember being here before 10k, and seeing all the horrible hate comments , Oz is finnaly getting the recognition he deserves. Also ghe off-white sweater went Too Hard
Yo Oz, i bought an apevia prestige 600 in 2017 no problems, never thought anyone had ever heard of one. Didnt know about the oem manufacturer, thanks man. Great content!
You can match and even beat console power consumption by undervolting the CPU and GPU. If you undervolt too aggressively you'll get stability issues and have (non-damaging) hardware lockups, but it is doable. Very comfy vid, your voice with the ModMic soothed my tinnitus.
Hey Man! Your video is really good and very helpful to me cuz i'm bout to build a pc too and i need a reference like this that you made in this video. And Your custom microphone it's really cool too. You got a new subscriber 😎👍 Sorry for my english btw
Set manuel voltage for the CCD and IOD, 0.9v and 1.0v, this shaves of even more wattage/heat, also make sure your FCLOCK and MEMCLOCK are in 1:1 ratio for best performance, its a setting in the bios.
A few notes, so OPEN ME pls
thanks for the warning lmao
I would buy that modmic, but uhhh 120.00 basically is a bit steep for something like that. I think you're a good pc builder. I don't know why you don't have more subscribers. I have been building and modding since 1990..286/12mhz days. (I had a homemade water cooling system I built waaaay back in 2006), and yes it worked perfectly. Unfortunately the cpu's back then didn't like overclocking much. I got my opteron 185 300mhz above stock...temp wasn't the problem at all. What I normally do personally is buy the best mobo at the time, stick it in a case, and upgrade until it's maxed out. Meaning memory, cpu, hard drives, ssd's, etc. This usually gives me about a 10-13 year upgrade path, then I start all over.
6:00 - Testing here is flawed unless you capped Cyberpunk to 60fps on PC when taking those power draw numbers. Furthermore, did you confirm that the PC and Console version of the "performance mode" result in the same settings?
@@mokahless Stop being a meat in bread person and putting people down. Consoles Suck, PC's Truck. 2 Strokes Truck, 4 Strokes Suck. All he had to do is stick a 3070 in there and it would beat the consoles.
Interesting I can track my recent upgrades run around 3-3.5 years. But each rig I recall 2011, 2016, 2019, 2023. I think game selection will be important. Sometimes it's CPU stutters that made me upgrade, not really a desire to do so and changing from 1080P ultra to 1440P. I ruined my complacency with 1440P there was nothing wrong with 1080P. At the time I got the current display (2020) thinking my mother would be happy I could isolate myself for raid time, but nope. I do keep a lot of my builds around and a lot of storage drives, it's great to max out though I will usually put a lot of older builds on Linux. @@shanemitchell477
Oz is like the Bob Ross of PC Building
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Something to keep in mind with consoles is the added cost of subscriptions required for a lot of functionality. A PC is also capable of countless types of general purpose usage.
Also, games can be pirated on pcs.
The only reason I keep my ps5 is because I’m not patient enough to wait for certain games to come to PC
@@JaykurosakiiSony exclusives yeah that’s understandable especially since the ports are not always good.
Yep! I talk about both of these points at 6:40 and 12:15.
@@OzTalksHW Nice, glad it's a thing more people are mentioning with builds like this. I commented before watching in full.
I'm not a regular viewer but I got to say I love the aesthetic of your videos and overall the chill vibes it's so good to watch
There's deals out there! Grabbed some 5700XTs for $90 and $75 recently. That's 3060/RX6600 territory. I was paying $150 regularly back in April
With a PC you can sail the seas and literally play for free. Just remember to be safe out there!!!!
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In these days and age, it is better to sail when it comes to gaming and streaming. Sail if you can, will save you a lot
Ad blockers are a must
This didn't age well😢
The age of AAA game pirating is done
@@miletfan4363 What happened?
The PC gaming library alone justify spending even more than 500 bucks on a PC. And if you add the possibility to run mods, then it became even better. Not to mention PCs can deal with the downsides of DRM and server shutdown with much more flexibility.
And finally, PC has ability to run "unofficial" 🤣😆 releases of games 😋
My pc cost 1500 more than my ps5 but I will continue to game on consoles. I honestly prefer physical copies of games and pc dont give us that anymore. I bought several 3rd party games on ps5 instead because I really like those games and a fan of the devs. Elden Ring, Final Fantasy 7 remake, Resident evil 4 remake, dying light 2. Just to name a few.
@@punch180 As a PC gamer, Physical media is the main thing I respect console gamers for.
Not to mention steam is just the best game distribution service hands down
Haha the DRM i hate most is ubisoft DRM + Virtual dammm haha
Not only does my PC game the latest titles, it does mySchool work, my side hustle cg/graphics work, my home media center, video editing and creating 3D print files.
But my XBOX fits in my backpack and unlike PC nerds I got real friends to visit.
@@Seb7an Stop cappin, we both know you ain't got any real friends either, maybe like two. 😅
Ok but this PC in the video isn’t actually comparable to a PS5. The PS5’s GPU is similar to a 6700 that is considerably more powerful than a 2060 and competes more with the 2080. For the Price of a PC that would perform the same as a PS5 you can buy a PS5 and a cheap laptop or an iPad and do the same thing and have 2 devices.
@@Seb7anbro you sound like a 10 year old saying that shit. If you're bringing your Xbox to friends in a backpack you gotta be in middle school, no grown adult does that lmfao
@@DashVandleActually you cant, no. Performance in 3D related programs is just not good with entry level laptops or really old pcs.Doing any 3D/digital/graphics work requires at least a ryzen 5 3600 like he mentioned in a video and an entry level gpu, so you would have to buy a computer that would cost you at least 300 bucks second hand. So no, its not comparable...
Spent around $700 bucks for my first PC build in 2015, the only upgrade was a really cheap GPU 2 years later. It absolutely held up for 9 years of great gaming. The newest and most graphic-intensive titles are starting to run really slow (low settings, 20-30 fps). But this thing still runs Counter Strike 200fps like a champ lol
are you planning on upgrading
About the GPU portion of the video... there is a gpu we can directly compare the PS5 to, which is the RX 6700 non-XT variant, and pairing that with a 4700g will essentially be like the PS5's processing unit. Same core count for the GPU and CPU, same amount of TMUs and ROPs, so you can't really say that there is a closer gpu to the PS5 than the RX6700, especially considering they are both based on the same architecture. Of course, console killers do not need to have the same specs as a console itself but I'm just pointing it out.
True. The 6700 is mostly identical in terms of stream processor count and architecture, the only major difference is memory layout.
@@yasu_red Yeah, but I feel like the difference in memory bandwidth isn't that much.
The RX 6700 is faster than the PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU. This is due to no limitations in memory bandwidth and no limited thermal envelope.
@@ZackSNetwork Correct, but on the other hand, the GPU in the PS5 and Xbox have access to a large unified pool of memory, while the 6700 is stuck with 10gb of VRAM.
@@yasu_redThe PS5 and Series X don’t have unified memory. They have shared memory because they are APU’s. They share the same memory and bandwidth with both the CPU and GPU. As for the RX 6700 it has infinity fabric that more than makes up for its unified memory. Also the PS5 and Series X only use 10-12gbs of vram for games anyway.
I really like your channel. Its peaceful. its not all about the fastest stuff. And it proves that you can still game with old GPUs. Im sick of the "8 GB of vram is too little" chatter all over everywhere else.
The desire to play the newest games at the highest settings... classic "It exists so I aught have it" mentality.
I'm definitely not the average gamer but for me, 8gb kinda is too little. I pretty much only play beamng drive. Optimized shittily but I've sunk more than 400 hours in, prolly gonna double or triple that once I can play maps larger than 1.6x1.6mi at 60fps with the lowest settings. This is coming from someone that went from rx570->980 ti->1080, from 4, to 6, to 8gbs. 8 still ain't enough. Especially not if you want to do anything other than 1080p, which I do.
@@jash6348 Ah, yeah If you move up to 1440p and higher. More Vram is better. But 8GB can still play moderately well at that point. Just with tempered expectations
8gb is more than enough to enjoy games but it's not enough if ur expecting high res and such
Steam player 70% 4gb video card...
You got closer than I did!
Happy Thanksgiving ❤
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Do not buy Nvidia cards if you want to build console killer machine. Reason is simple, both PS5 and Xbox use AMD graphics chips, and they are usually significantly better in performance/price ratio. Especially in budget segment. If you want console killer go with 6600, 6600M, 5700XT, 6600XT , 6650XT etc ...
Great video Ozi. PCs are so much more versatile than consoles. But consoles do have their place for those who don’t want to build a PC, deal with software issues, etc.
But always gets kicked by consoles in terms of price to performance. If You're a gamer and have budget of price same as console, just get it much better choice. Also, who's gonna wait for games that released years ago on consoles.
No need to wait steam is there@@computerscience1101
@@computerscience1101pc’s will always be better than any console lol
@@gusc2457 yeah they are better but only in performance, there's no pc comes close to console at the same price, is there any?
@@computerscience1101 don't be so partial, it's not black and white. You said "You're a gamer and have budget of price same as console, just get it much better choice". Let me fix that for you:
You're a gamer and have budget of price same as console, then choose what you like the most, not what others say it's the best.
You need to add peripherals. If you're a first time PC builder you need to add in the cost of a monitor, mouse, keyboard and desk.
if you are a first time pc builder you can get a starter pack or combo and get mouse, keyboard, headset, mousepad and maybe even a joystick for $50 and im sure you can find a used monitor for $50 more.
also, you can account for the path of upgradability in a pc, when the PS6 launches, if you want it you will have to straight up buy it, with a pc thats not the case, you can slowly upgrade it over time to keep up, and if you just want to compete with consoles upgrading that exact setup to the equivalent CPU and GPU will be cheaper, as you can still use most components without any problem, SSD, MOBO, RAM, PSU will still be usable for the next build.
Im so happy this channel is taking off now, I remember being here before 10k, and seeing all the horrible hate comments 😭, Oz is finnaly getting the recognition he deserves. Also ghe off-white sweater went Too Hard
Great video! If it wasn't mentioned already, I have a few suggestions:
1) You touched upon it in the video somewhat; Under Volting the CPU will greatly reduce heat and help improve performance.
2) Under Volting the GPU / graphics adapter will also reduce heat and help improve performance
3) If your motherboard and GPU support it, ticker with the fan curve to adjust fan speed only when temps increase to a certain threshold. This may reduce fan noise level.
**Tweaking these settings may take a few days due to stress testing / trial-and-error so be patient**
There are a good number of resources on how to perform the tweaks mentioned above on TH-cam. A simple search with the make / model of the device of interest should suffice. 👍🏼
What is "under volting" ?
Applying less voltage then it comes with by default. Due to how PBO works, applying less voltage can result in less heat, and more performance. This is completely the opposite to how overclocking was done back in the days, back then it was the norm to increase voltage for more Mhz. Some manufacturers are notorious for having UEFI/BIOS settings with waaaaay to much voltage out of the box. Most motherboards, videocards, etc. come with very safe defaults out of the box. Most of the time, you can lower the voltage without any issue/damage or long term effects.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family oz. Love the videos as always.
Of course! It's not only a PC, which inherently destroys console, but it's an Oz built PC. Those are the good ones.
Your always speaking facts Marco.
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@@RizzyGyatt You love it.
Yea no it still doesn’t “destroy” the ps5 and series x those are still more powerful
Regular people: MUST RUSH TO GET BLACK FRIDAY DEALS!
Oz: Black Friday is overrated. Here's something you can build whenever you feel like. Don't rush, just relax, listen to my soothing voice.
Great build! With that said, buy and play what you want. I have console and pc. Each has it pros and cons.
I built a $500 pc with a GTX 1080 and a Ryzen 5600 CPU. Got a good motherboard, PSU and drive. Already had the case. Runs 1440p on med-high lretty well on AA or indie games and 1080p high with pretty much no dips below 80-100fps on most games.
Yoo I got the gtx 1080 ti with i7-7770k for $382
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11:48 Ain't no one gonna point out that my man casually has some Kierkegaard on the book shelf? Nice vid!
I don’t have much money so this computer looks actually obtainable for me
The way you make the gpu swim at 3:35 is absolutely adorable, love it!
It's interesting reading these comments, because I'm seeing people share in and enthusiastically make a point I once swore up and down was THE TRUTH, but then had to admit it wasn't when met with reality.
I was someone who believed as well that PCs were the end all be all of gaming.
I was there when the Master Race memes were created. We all believed PCs would be the future of gaming, and consoles would fall to the wayside, or become PCs themselves.
Except its been 15 years since the words "Glorious PC Master Race" have been first uttered, and in that time, consoles are still the standard. Games are still designed for consoles first, then ported to PC as an afterthought.
All the expensive hardware and updated drivers in the world can't save you from a Jedi Fallen Order PC release or from the terrible PC optimization of many AAA games that have released this year.
The hardware, specifically the most important piece of hardware for PC gaming, had its price massively skyrocket.
15 years ago, the most high-end consumer graphics card cost twice as much as a console.
Today, it costs over 4 times as much, and that's if you get it retail MSRP.
Then there's the tinkering, tweaking, troubleshooting, maintenance, and puzze solving as to why something isn't working the way it's supposed to work.
Now I know most people here who read that paragraph are rolling their eyes. I know this because a younger me would roll my eyes anytime that argument was brought up.
"Well that sounds like a user issue, not a PC gaming issue," a former me, and I'm sure many reading this would say.
Except we all know that response is not the truth. Deep down we all have several stories of games that wouldn't run, or wouldn't do something we wanted them to do, and how we spent HOURS getting that game to run, or researching on Reddit, or obscure old messages for people who encountered the same problem, or how we encountered a brand new problem no one else had the solution for, but we figured it out. Now we had the workaround, and we had the power to share it with the masses and everyone who was experiencing the same problem can play the game on their hardware now.
We've all experienced one or multiple forms of those circumstances as PC Gamers.
The difference is we usually see the experience as a badge of honor. We relay the story of wrangling the unruly technology like how a conqueror regales the trials and tribulations of conquering the land he now stands on. We act as though fighting the game, our hardware, and our specific configurations to PLAY the game is a rite of passage that builds character, and makes one worthy to finally sit down and enjoy the thing they bought or in many cases, pirated.
Not everyone views it like that though, and I recently had to come face to face with that reality because of Monster Hunter Rise:Sunbreak.
To give a little backstory, MHR came out on Switch exclusively first. I'm such a big fan of the series that I looked past the 30 fps and low res, dusted off my Switch, and dug in.
MHRS, the expansion is announced, and the PC port we all knew was coming drops.
I decide I'm done with 30 fps and low res, and it's time to get back to real gaming, even if that means abandoning my hundreds of hours save file.
Time to get back to PC gaming.
I upgrade my PC, and then spend 5 hours trying to get MHRS to run.
Now usually, this was a tango I was down for. 5 hours is nothing to the old me from a long time ago who once spent days getting games to work, and almost enjoyed that as much as the games.
But this wasn't the old me.
Now there were 4 children around me, all being homeschooled by me.
Now I took my fitness and health seriously and carved out time in the day to workout and be active.
Now I had a serious long term partner.
That 5 hours over 2 days that I spent trying to get software to work, researching error messages, trying every configuration, etc was no longer the engaging experience it used to be.
It was just tedious.
I was close. I really was, but I had a realization that made me give up.
This won't be the last time.
Especially not for a game whose lifespan is usually close to 2 years with multiple patches.
I didn't have the time nor want for this, and I wouldn't have the time or want for it when it would inevitably happen with a future update, patch, or hardware configuration change.
In that moment, I had to admit that a view I held, and had had so many heated discussions offline and online about was wrong.
In the 15 years since, "Glorious PC Master Race" entered the lexicon, PC gaming has began to receive worse and worse ports with worse optimization where the best cards in the world can't even max them out without using AI.
The cost of the hardware necessary has skyrocketed, and the tedium that sometimes comes with PC gaming has yet to be addressed.
Case in point, many people here are saying that people should include the cost of subscriptions over 5 to 7 years when comparing the price of consoles to PCs.
I love it. I'm all about letting people visualize and realize the hidden costs to their behaviors and purchases.
What people should also do, is find their average hourly pay rate, start tracking how much time of their PC gaming sessions in a year is spent in an in-game configuration menu, researching error codes, downgrading or upgrading drivers for specific games, or installing a special mod or community fix to get a game working how it should, then times that by the aforementioned hourly pay rate, and add that to the cost of gaming annually on a PC.
This isn't a a "PC gaming sucks," post. I still game on PC, just not as much as other convenient mediums.
It's a post from a former PC first gamer about how we have to be honest with ourselves.
There is nothing "Master Race" about the current PC gaming experience, even if prices are slightly better. Even the extreme frame rates and improved visuals that incentivized the creation of that meme are something only a fraction of PC Gamers get to experience.
Saying PCs are "inherently better than consoles," in the context of gaming, like the top comment does, reeks of the same emotional tribalism that makes a PS5 owner tell a Series X owner his painted plastic box is better because reasons.
It's just one option of many, with its own list of pros and cons. Were it "inherently" better than the other options, it would be the standard everyone chooses, and the standard developers optimize for.
My rambling aside, this is great content.
Honestly, that case fits the whiteout setup I was going for about 7 years ago.
I had the following, if you're curious:
- Corsair Carbide Air 240 in white with black accents and interior
- Black & White MSI RX 480 GPU
- MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC White MOBO
- 8 GB Black and White Ballistix RAM
- i5-7500 (just so the specs are out there)
It was cool, but the Air 240 is notorious for GPU cables rubbing on the acrylic window. Turns out, it's actually enough to leave a scuff mark on the window itself.
I think the biggest factor is getting a motherboard that you can still use in 5 years.. in 2019 I built a budget gaming computer around an Asus X570 and a Ryzen 3 with integrated graphics, later adding an RX 570.. even though the AM4 platform is “dead” I still have lots of room to upgrade, lots of graphics card options, pleanty of room to improve ram, so almost 5 years later for $500 I can get a pretty crazy system!
yeah, you can add in a 5900X or 5800X3D later on, and pair them with something like a RX 6800 XT, RTX 3070, etc...!
@@jamesbrendan5170He can't, am4
yeah a 580 cant run anything nowadys wtf
just built my first ryzen computer, msi x470 with ryzen 5 2600 and am so happy with how much room to upgrade I have with this motherboard and socket. I used to have a i7-860 on a generic motherboard lol
My pc started in dec 2018 with an i5 9600k and a 1070 , now it has an i9 9900k and a 3090 ( which i just got 2nd hand )
My kids and i just built 3 of them..moded it a bit....bumped up to a 3060, 1tb nvme, the extra fans....so much goodness. Much thanks Oz!!!
Hey OZ, you are the most soft spoken Techtuber in the world. Your contents are great. Keep it up.
Refreshing seeing someone make a video like this and in the end admit they probably failed. Humility is rare on the internet these days.
You said killer, so you must beat it.
This is the video that got me into PC building. I was looking for some kind of budget build to replicate since I was just starting out. Sure enough, as I learnt more about PC building, my build spiraled completely into something of my own. Yes, it's double the price of this, but I won't ever forget that without this video, I may have never gotten into PC building. Thanks man, much love.
Another banger video, I'll always remember buying components for my first gaming PC with the help of your videos, slowly building the computer each day while watching your videos. Thanks Oz
Did you build it?
As in the PC in the video? No I built my own Budget PC using his videos for help.@@DailyChristianContent2
I built a PC in that case recently, and think yall should know the power indicator light is like a laser. It will shine a blue circle on the ceiling, and can disturb your eye when reaching around the pc to plug things into the back. You can unplug it if you want, or just be ware. I still think its a great case. Just wish I had known.
Another great video Oz, thank you for continuing to produce content. I will say the used market is crazy strong right now and if someone was patient they could get at least a 25pct performance uplift buying used. But I love the all new option for simplicity and those not wanting to deal with buying used.
Except for the fact that I have messaged 10+ people on Facebook marketplace about their used parts asking when I could pick them up and I get left on read every time
Great video. I love your style and humor. You didn’t sugar coat your mistakes and shortcomings. It’s also refreshing to see a build that doesn’t cost $2000+. Thanks a lot. I bought a PS5 for my kids a couple Christmases ago. They’re not serious gamers so they’re not pushing it to its limits. They also have Lenovo Legion 5 gaming laptops but they don’t use them for gaming that much either.
I really appreciate the video Oz! Going back to school for Electrical and Computer Engineering, it really helps to have a PC (obviously lol). But with constraints with funding, I can't really justify a new XBOX/PS5 AND a PC. So the multifunctionality is a MAJOR win for the PC in my book! The fact that the PC can be a gaming device, a tool, and a learning device all in one, helps me to not only relax and play some Stardew Valley or Minecraft, but also work on coding, math, emails, etc.
I went through the same thing back about the time that the PS4 was new on the market. I was going back to college and needed a new PC because my old Pentium 3 was severely outdated. So I decided to build a gaming PC instead with my intention of buying a PS4 later. However after I discovered all of the new benefits and exclusive PC games that were more my taste I never went back to consoles. The PS3 was my last console.
3:52 my man got attacked also Love your content and how calm and relaxed you are
I have both a gaming pc and a ps5, and since I work remotely I would always choose a pc since its not limited to gaming/entertainment, but one insteresting point for me is that most of the "console killer pc" videos come years after the consoles come out, so I'd love to see someone take on the challenge the same year a console is launched. Also the consoles come with a quality controller that is at least 50 (euro here I suppose its similar in dollars) that should definitely be taken into account because you can't tell me that its a similar experience to using a dirt cheap 10 dollar keyboard and mouse combo
Good points, generally every console controller can be used on a PC.
And if you go for one of those Elite/Pro controllers on the console (those run between $100-200 USD), you can fund a decent K/M setup on the PC side.
There is wiggle room.
I remember when the PS4 came out and lots of youtubers came out with budget console killer builds. None of the pc builds survived past 2016. Even more so for the builds that included a blu-ray/CD player & hifi sound card. Yet I know people on launch model consoles who can still play some of the latest games, on 10 year old hardware.
it was hardly possible to buy a ps5 for a year after launch at msrp
@@ajmohrvatski got mine at msrp with no tricks whatsoever. Just looking for listings daily. Took me a couple of weeks.
@@labibahasan8302 Exactly, these people are delusional. They quickly jump to the gpu being equivalent to the amd 6700 non xt not realizing it's a COSTUME version meaning it's similar but not the same. They fail to understand a console is a onetime investment and the pc for the most part its not, at one point you will have to add more RAM or a better video card or bigger psu etc. They argue about how you have to pay for MP in consoles which for me and many more its irrelevant since I don't play nor care about MP. For me the strong point of the console is the single player games. I personally I have and play on both platforms, why limit yourself when you can have the best of both worlds.
A PC build video for the masses, done in great style!
We all like to watch $5000 builds on TH-cam the same way we like to see Ferraris and Lambos but when the chips are down, builds like this are much more accessible to the common audience. Personally, I am the kind that scrimp on my daily necessities so I can afford some luxury but for people with bigger responsibilities and aspirations, a more affordable yet practical build is 100% the way to go. That is why the console playerbase makes about 70% of most games: more economical and hassle-free; but for those who just cannot do without the comforts of KB+M, there's always $500 PC build videos by Oz!
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i'm from Brasil and one thing PC also have over consoles is the fact that most games have regionalized prices. Some games on games are like 50% lcheaper on steam than they are in the psstore/eshop/etc
I can’t believe the youtube algorithm sometimes. I recently decided to build my own PC for the first time and have been on the hunt for a good build and walkthrough video for an okay budget vs the console purchase decision. Then this came up. I am exactly the audience for this video. The design looks great, and i love your style. This is applicable pc building for a different audience than that of the classic “pc gamer”. Thank you for this and subscribed!
thats a nice looking case but id be scared of the thermals in such a tight spot
Cyberpunk uses dynamic resolution on consoles, making it challenging to compare games with dynamic resolution to those on PC
I love your channel but if that gpu would have fallen I would have ruined my life by getting horribly addicted to crack.
I love the idea of having a multimedia pc in my living room that serves both as a gaming console and is hooked up to my AV Receiver so that it can play blue rays and also serve streaming duties.
It just comes down to how much of a DIYer you are
Picked up a bunch of lightly used HP prebuilts for cheap recently. Ryzen 5300G, 8gb (2x4) 3200MHz DDR4, RTX 3060 12gb, and a 250gb NVME drive ... $300. Been upgrading them for flips or pulling parts for custom builds. A bit of hunting right now can lead to some super nice deals. And, while prebuilts like those HPs suck from the factory, if it's a good enough price you can always pull the non-proprietary parts and go from there.
You have a CPU bottleneck. 8gbs of ram is not good you need at least 16gbs of ram. You can’t fit much of anything either on a 250gbs SSD. The 3060 12gb is a great budget GPU though.
@@ZackSNetwork im sure hes flipping those...
Where the hell did you find a prebuilt with a 3060 ($450ish) card for $300. That's better than my previous find which were two complete FX 8350/32GB Systems that the guy told me "Hey, are you into computers? I just throw two away in the garbage you can have if you want."
@@Atari5732 - A guy who had bought the machines for mining right before the crash. They have just been sitting in his garage. I got 7 of them. But deals like that aren't that rare now. The prices I'm willing to pay for parts is ever dropping. To be fair, I hunt for deals since I build PCs perpetually.
@@ZackSNetwork - Yeah, reading comprehension is hard
I like how you compare factors other than gaming, such as the size of the build compared to consoles and how much power it draws. Other youtubers would just build a PC and mostly aimed to perform better in games rather than save space, or draw less power, and so on. Great video!
The Series X is 350€ right now for Black Friday at my local tech store.
So yeah, It would make sense to build the PC maybe in January
350 damn similar ps5 some people bought for 1000 in COVID.
@@inmortal131 they were idiots who bought that for 1000 bucks
@@CurseEnforcerPlayStation fanboys will start complaining pc gamers spending 1k on something better lol
Listening to your voice at the end of my day always seems to send me into tranquility. I’m buying whatever you sell.
Nice vid. Never built a pc before but im interested in a "mid tier" build that can run emulation and older pc games while looking cool and having a smaller form factor.
I'd check out the steam deck it i we're you. Imo it only makes sense to build a gaming PC to run big games at 4k 120hz.
@@Joseph-yl6rc😂
You should do a video on how much you will have to spent to match the console cause $800 with the same performance makes the pc a winner.
Hello bro where did you buy the plant in the background from 00:16
Just saw this guy in my recommended cause I’m really into pc gaming and honestly, holy shit you’re video was amazing, good editing not over the top with the information and pretty chill vibe and THE VOICE (i fucking can’t handle myself with a chill guy with a deep voice
In Cyberpunk 2077, the PS5 was at 1800p but it also had Dynamic Res. Scaling activated, meaning that its render res varies depending on the scene.
You could’ve enabled DLSS on PC and the PC would’ve reached roughly the same ballpark of performance, along with possibly better visuals; owning to DLSS having a better anti-aliasing solution.
True. Because there’s no way ps5 is doing 1800p native
Ive finally found a way to put this thought into words but oz perfectly captures the experience of building a pc, its very relaxing imo
This is a great video and I love builds that are budget constrained, but I have some points that I thought about: PS5's GPU (RX 6700) is better than a RX 7600, Digital Foundry themselves usually use a 2070S as a PS5 equivalent, although you could always get a proper 6700 (non-XT).
Also the whole "PC is more useful than a console" argument is great for someone that doesn't ALREADY have a computer, usually people that buy consoles just want something to game on, and already have a simple computer or laptop. And then there's also the simplicity and ease of use, consoles is pretty much plug and play, PCs... not so much. For us that actually know what we're doing, it's second nature, but for the average user the whole driver installs/upgrades, graphics optimization, troubleshooting when something goes wrong, etc. is way too much. And lastly, the price does not account for a controller, which is included with consoles.
I think, we need to stop babying the gaming market. Building a pc is a learning experience, sure, but if you treat it like something to fear, you're only going to push people away.
The RX 6700 is still faster than the PS5 GPU. It is not limited in memory bandwidth nor does it have as limited thermal envelope. The CPU in the PS5 and Series X is equivalent to a zen 1+ 2700x. The consoles are a lot weaker than people think.
@@ZackSNetwork The CPU in the Series X and PS5 are zen 2 and is more likely equivalent to a 3600 and the PS5 can allocate up 10gb of it's memory to vram and it's really not far off in term of perfomance to the rx 6700 even 6700xt, keep in mind a big chunk of PS5 and Series X games runs at 1440p upscale to 4k, so maybye you underestimate them.
At this point I don't think we should count controllers anymore because most people have older controllers that will work with the pc I have like 4 ps4 controllers at my house from when I gamed on it and they work perfectly fine with my pc. All your other arguments are fair, but even if they already have a laptop or some weaker computer to do work, the whole selling point of the pc is that it can do BOTH. And thats something he didn't touch upon on purpose. The pc in general is just better value overall and though you are right the idea of trouble shooting and maintenance and such are intimidating, people aren't gonna learn if they don't try. They also have a plethora of resources on the very device to help that process. TH-cam videos, articles, Google etc. Can provide them with answers and help as they need it. The device can be a back up for work and a proper gaming console while the console is only good for gaming and video streaming through apps like Netflix and TH-cam.
@@ZackSNetwork
That is absolutely, factually, 100% incorrect. The PS5 GPU has much higher native bandwidth at 448GB/s but no L3 cache. The RX 6700 has a native 320GB/s memory bandwidth but makes up for this with an 80MB L3 cache (Infinity Fabric), so bandwidth wise they come out about the same.
That part about "limited thermal envelope" is completely made up. The PS5's SoC does not throttle and the GPU is specced for a sustained TDP of 180W, whereas the RX 6700 has a 175W TDP. Basically identical. The PS5 GPU has a static GPU clock speed of 2233MHz; the 6700 has a game clock of 2174MHz. Again, basically identical.
As far as the CPU portion, they are about equivalent to the Ryzen 3600. They have 2 more cores, but a lot less L3 cache due to using the monolithic Renoir design instead of the chiplet Mattise design. Some games will favor going from 6 to 8 cores and the lower latency from the monolithic design more than the additional L3 cache, others will favor the much larger L3 more. It's a toss up.
Stop making up shit about topics you are completely uninformed about.
Good take on the power consumption and its basic irrelevance when consoles are charging ABSURD prices with their annual greedy subscriptions
Always glad to see Brothers in Tech ✊🏿
As iGPU's continue to improve, that time is really not far off. The 780m does pretty well on a mini pc configuration, nowhere near console levels, but still surprisingly good for what they are
If I could transfer my Steam library to consoles, I would. Next gaming system I buy will be a console though.
My ps4 is the laudest thing in the universe
The upgradability point is massive. In a year or two, you could have swapped in a better GPU, 32gb of ram and doubled storage easily. It would then be ultra competitive all whilst being able to program, make music, complete work tasks. AND you have the satisfaction of having built it yourself. That has value.
To reduce electric consumption you need to use vsync, and frame capping to a 60fps this will put less strain on the hardware while also using less power by 20-45%. For example DL2 in 1080p high with with my PC went from 190W to 110W on a I5-12500T, Z690 MB, and a RTX 4060 (it was 220W to 150W with my old RX6600 BTW). The game I saw little to no help on this was RDR2 unless I lower quality settings only. Power reading was a out of the wall power reading on a kilowatt meter
The problem with this is that setting a cap means your using very little of the hardware, so a more low end gpu would make more sense for that.
@@appsaucetech To a degree yes, but to another no. This works on higher resolutions too that older cards nor low end cards can not do as well. This also helps with other areas including giving you a smother game play which is one reason a lot of gamers do prefer a console. Response times will also be better as well. Anyway try playing Dying Light 2 in 1440p or 4K on a GTX 1060, 1650 super, or a RX580 heck try in in high settings natively in 1080p.
I have played it on a 1650 super & it was not so super. Was it serviceable yes, but not great either. Were this becomes moot is older titles or those that have the requirement bar way low like CS: Go, other E-Sports titles, and or older/indie titles. Consoles have vsync on, and they have frame caps of the majority of their games for the same reasons, and more.
Does this still help if we can’t reach the 60 FPS cap? Neither Alan wake 2 or cyberpunk could hit the 60 FPS limit
@@OzTalksHW If you use FSR on a RTX you will get zero benefit in both performance & power consumption reduction. It's best to use DLSS on my 4060 in Cyberpunk in 4K, PS5 settings, and DLSS set to auto I maintained 60fps with a 175W power draw. With DLSS turned off but FSR turned on I got 36fps and a 240W power draw. Also for some reason my 35W CPU also auto overclocked to 65W during the entire test (that is not normal). On AMD cards AMD Chill will be the best way to go (set the minimum & max FPS manually to 60) It'll only max out if you don't keep your expectations grounded to reality quality wise.
Trust me, I have played minecraft with shaders at 4k on my 6600. I needed a 60fps cap. If a card doesnt have the performance to reach 60fps then of course a cap will not lower usage in that sense. I don't know why you mention that gamers prefer a console because of the cap. A pc can have a custom cap set, so if you have the performance for say a 75fps cap then it will be better than the console. Besides, the consoles can't even reach the 60fps most of the time, and thats with fsr. A pc will generally have a much smoother frametime because you can set the proper cap for your hardware.@@JeremyLeePotocki
Well, I did something similar for myself. I went to a local price comparison site and made a build similar to Xbox series X.
It cost more than the double of a series X.
Without keyboard and mouse.
That was not an awkward outro, it was an outro "at natural". Always a pleasure to see your videos Oz :)
Thank you :)
the only problem is , if you're a newbie when it comes to pcs, god forbid something goes wrong or breaks, its a different type of headache trying to figure out what is wrong and another headache trying to troubleshoot
PS5 dropped to $350 today lol. It's super hard to beat in terms of performance, but this is quite close
Ps5 is a monster ngl
The piano fills when you started building were great, such a relaxing video to have on while I work 👍
Love the build, love the vid! Only thing I would point out, that the SSD is way too small, I would at least go 1 TB.
This is like - nerdy tech talk meets therapeutic ASMR, and I'm here for it.
I've Built systems for under $550 with much higher specs that do compare nicely against consoles, I feel like at this time though you still currently have to buy most parts used to get it in that budget. I've built systems with RX6700 and RTX 3060ti during the pandemic all which used brand new parts. some of the components could have also cost less like the RTX 2060 super you had shouldn't cost more than $100 which stacks up on the final price. Nice video and thanks for uploading happy holidays
eh... where did you even get an under-$100 RTX 2060 Super? Facebook Marketplace? Used deals on Ebay or Amazon?
You didn't build a system with a 3060ti brand-new-everything for under $550 dude.
@@jmass4207 yes I did the videos are up on my TH-cam I literally have like 2 videos of it 😂
Ive been making this point a lot lately. Air turbulance and air velocity effect efficiency a lot. PCs often have air moving in like 10 different directions from numerous dedicated fans. Whereas consoles and laptops have directional flow from one end to the opposite end.
The best GPU option under $200 right now is to buy used and get an RTX 2070 Super for around $150-170. They cost about the same as the RX 5700 XT, but they're a tiny bit faster and has more hardware features like AI upscaling cores (Tensor cores) and Mesh Shaders. At the low $200s, a used 6700 XT is the best option.
It's awesome that we're at least back to that point where you can easily leapfrog console performance in the
For 1045 $ i got a i9 12900k paired with rtx 4060 oc white 32gigs ram 1tb mem 750 semi modular with a asus 790v mobo.
@@boinecastillo7455 Why you buying an i9 for?
@@lexkek5625 work capacity bud , why don't ya like i9?
Don't forget to add
-Mouse.
-Keyboard.
-Windows OS.
-Blu-Ray player.
-DVI or HDMI cables.
this a good point
Cables come with the monitor and insanely cheap, you don’t need windows key to use the pc, plenty of mouse and keyboard combinations under the price of a controller.
@@averagemike2171 you can use a monitor with a console and TVs also come with HDMI cables. None of that negates the fact that an HDMI cable is included in the price of a PS5.
You're correct that you don't need to use a Windows key on PC. Heck, you don't even need to use windows. I'm pretty sure Oz does in this video though. If you're not going to factor at least the cost of a grey market windows key, it would make sense to explain what alternative is being used for the OS, (even if it's just windows with the watermark).
Lastly, you're not going to find a keyboard and mouse with comparable quality to the PS5 controller for significantly cheaper. Even if you did (let's say that you personally thought that a $20 keyboard and mouse combo was the equivalent of the PS five controller), he would still need to factor that into the cost of the PC since again, the cost of the controller is included in the cost of the console.
@@averagemike2171 And that's theyproblem. Pleanty of cheap option while console had some of the best controllers on the market.
And PS5 is $400, so the price comp is not even close
why is oz like the sweetest guy on yt, but is actualy scary built bro
I took a different approach. I thought why kill a ps5 for 500 dollars, when I can kill it with 1800 dollars. I love me some overkill.
I love this comment. Why pay $500 for a pc comparable to a ps5. At that point just buy the ps5 as games would be better optimised for the ps5 (games are easier to optimise for one set of hardaware). The whole concept of pc vs console baffles me. If you’re on a budget just get the ps5 unless you specifically need the pc. If you have a higher budget build a pc. It’s as simple as that. It’s just about price to performance. Same goes for the pc players that compare their $2000 pcs to consoles. Your pc is 4x the price and would theoretically have 4x the performance (although this isn’t usually the case) there is no need to compare the two because yours wins every single time, that’s why you spent $2000 on it. At the end of the day it’s all about preference, budget and needs. If you need it to play exclusive games then that’s your option. If you need it to be able to multitask or do office work or whatever then that’s your choice. So simple.
A comparison between the X and ps5 against a 1440p PC would be good
But the ps5 uses an rx 6700 non xt and a Ryzen 4700g
And use FSR to upscale, so anything upscaled will automatically lose to DLSS of the 2060 Super. But Oz said he wanted to match it with brand new parts and have it repeatable easily. He could've clearly beat it by going for used parts and deal hunting imo.
its a weaker 6700....so its really 6600 / xt version plus it use upscaling on med settings
@@b0ne91bruh if you bring used part into the picture there is also used PS5
@@scarfaceReaperfalse if anything it’s a faster 6700 because of more vram
@@hamza.991 isn't the desktop versions ALWAYS faster than any other ones that includes the mobile GPU ( if I'm saying it right) look at the base Rx 6600 vs Rx 6600M the Rx 6600 is around 5% overall faster
8:53 Oz channeled his inner Morgan Freeman
Just popped up in my feed, and while I haven't watched the whole video yet, I can definitely appreciate the concept. 👍
700 dollar PS5 Pro PC build please!
Just imagine what 300 usd will do to that build , great video man keep it up !
Oz is the new "bob Barker" with that Mic!!! It has "the price is right" vibes. Big kiddos brotha. Happy holidays.
Im so happy this channel is taking off now, I remember being here before 10k, and seeing all the horrible hate comments , Oz is finnaly getting the recognition he deserves. Also ghe off-white sweater went Too Hard
It's good to see that he actually owns up to his mistakes like most people make and just rolls with the punches to make this pc
Oz you are still by far my favorite PC build TH-camr.
Yo Oz, i bought an apevia prestige 600 in 2017 no problems, never thought anyone had ever heard of one. Didnt know about the oem manufacturer, thanks man. Great content!
You can match and even beat console power consumption by undervolting the CPU and GPU. If you undervolt too aggressively you'll get stability issues and have (non-damaging) hardware lockups, but it is doable. Very comfy vid, your voice with the ModMic soothed my tinnitus.
UV won't match 110w difference
They did Undervolt them both. they talk about it between 4:30 and 5:15
another win for the master race
I just want your voice to tell me stories as I fall asleep at night.
I expected a video about computers, which I got, but I didn't expect some aesthetic style inspiration and an asmr video in one.
the first channel EVER with real music in the intro. i mean it. damn
Love watching this guy as I do homework, his voice is so soothing
Hey Man! Your video is really good and very helpful to me cuz i'm bout to build a pc too and i need a reference like this that you made in this video. And Your custom microphone it's really cool too. You got a new subscriber 😎👍
Sorry for my english btw
Set manuel voltage for the CCD and IOD, 0.9v and 1.0v, this shaves of even more wattage/heat, also make sure your FCLOCK and MEMCLOCK are in 1:1 ratio for best performance, its a setting in the bios.
That Jumper is DOPE
Your "look at me typing doing stuff on the computer" clips are hilarious.
well holy smokes buddy that is the cleanest looking build you got there. just the pure white colors make it pops too