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Does the IKEA Jarvjallet solve the biggest problem for the IKEA Markus, with adding seat depth adjustment? Or does the softer seat pad on the Markus make it the better of the two chairs for overall comfort? In this video, I break down the main differences between the two chairs to help you decide if one is better for you than the other.
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I found the ikea markus next to a garbage dumpster across my house. For what I paid for it (0, 00) it’s pretty awsome😅
Big fan of my Markus (it was £135 when I brought it) but the lumbar was causing back pain. I have removed it entirely and much prefer it. It is really quite simple to remove.
Remove the back (3 bolts), then unzip the cover (mine needed cleaning - it collects a lot of dust), then undo 4 bolts to remove a bracket. You can then remove 2 screws and you can remove the pillow.
The pillow case has a zip and the pillow could be replaced with any material I would imagine. There is also definitely room for custom adjustment of the lumbar position if you have a little bit of creativity.
Is removing the lumbar support on Markus reversible? Just in case if I need to warranty the chair, I don't want to void the warranty.
@@exshenanigan2333 Did you find an answer for this?
@@Fred_23 No, I couldn't find anything.
@@exshenanigan2333I have one, the lumbar is attached to a hook, you can remove it and replace it at will, no issues.
Where did u get it that price
My biggest issue with Markus is the arm rest. It’s not adjustable and the shape makes it easy to stuck under the desk when sitting close to the desk
fr, it should be more soft and ajustable
i don't get why they made it so damn high up. If that's the case, make it adjustable in like 3-4 increment height settings
I took the arm rests off my Markus, made it far better
The (awful) Markus lumbar foam is removable! It takes a little tinkering but it's doable, and actually really easy if you do it while building the chair. You can even replace the foam so you still have lumbar support that doesnt feel rock hard.
PRO TIP HERE. Wow. The Markus keeps getting better.
Also, alternatively if you don’t want to remove screws and all to get to the lumbar: just unzip the bottom of the backrest, carefully reach out with your hand to the lumbar in between the mesh and unzip the lumbar itself. The foam in it will expand and you’ll have a flatter lumbar and softer support. Just did this and the backrest already feels way better.
i replaced the foam with cotton
thanks, was easy and was the the reason, i finally bought it today
Went to IKEA recently and the one that stood out as the most comfy was actually the Matchspelt. Any chance of a review on that one?
My brother has a Markus and it's a nice chair, I didn't even realize it had lumbar until you pointed it out in this video but it's not terrible, not great but not terrible. The recline is nice and the chair is fine but you can tell if you used it day to day in an office and long term it would not be that good. I have a Haworth chair and the foam and the material is just so much better, you can really tell the difference between a lower tier chair and a higher end one. The problem with chairs is people sit in them for a few minutes before they make a decision which really is not long enough.
I watched another video where a guy used his Markus chair for 10 hours a day for the last six years and it held up great. He ended up getting a replacement FOC from IKEA as it developed a creak. Now that is what I call service.
'i have a chair that costs 10x times more and its better!'
I had a Markus for a few years but the non-adjustable armrests really killed that chair for me. They were too high up for me and really threw my posture off, and also prevented me from lowering my desk as much as I'd like. I removed them eventually, but then the lack of elbow support became an issue... other than that, the chair was pretty comfortable and had a good run.
Lol, they are too low for me, while the seating position is too high
I went to IKEA and after some tests I bought the Markus. It just fit me and it has a fabric option which is better for cat owners - and I think it looks better as well. The chair is really good. The huge con for me are the arms - I'm not using it at the momment. Lumbar support is ok for me, for now. The Järvfjället is more expensive and I think that besides it's more ajustability options, doesnt justify it's price. I prefer the feeling of the Markus in general.
The cat comment got me! Started my "research" today and I really wish I could mix some aspects of the two IKEA models. Markus really looks like the winner but those arms...I don´t know. I like adjustments! But back to the cat, mine, which is a saint and never ruins anything, has a soft spot for that Jarvjallet seating material... That said seems like I´m gonna spend an hour on the chair section of the nearest IKEA...
How tall are you ?
Ahahah I feel you.
I saw myself choosing a chair for and for my cat. Markus won me because of the fabric. Jarv only had leather option, and I think it would be worst.
@@arielmauro6257 I am 73 cm and Markus feets me perfectly.
perfect chair, using it from 2016, still going strong
Great review, man. Going to check both of these out at Ikea today thanks to this. Can't wait to see which one fits me!
I bought my Markus from Ikea 29th December 2019 and it has been used almost all day and every day and evening since. Today, 21.1.23 over three years on, I still love it, however, although everything still works as new, it has developed an annoying 'clunk' in the seat mechanism whenever I move slightly. As it is located in an upstairs bedroom used as an office, the clunk is a disturbance to anyone trying to get to sleep in the next bedroom and downstairs. I'm hoping that with my receipt and proof of purchase, I can have the seat mechanism part replaced under Ikea's 10-year guarantee. I'll let you know if they do.
nothing some WD40 shouldn't be able to fix
I tried all mobelix and ikea chairs and endup buying jarfjallet, seems to be most comfortable for me.
I'm 6"4. I've used the Markus chair for 12 years. I'm on my second chair. The vinyl was worn out on the first one, and one of the armrests had broken clean off at the screw. I sit in this chair on average 5-6 hours a day without issues. When/if this Markus chair breaks, i'm getting another one, they are that good for the money. It just feels super solidly planted on the ground, and it's not flimsy.
I'm the same height and I find the back too low. The headrest digs into my shoulders if I sit straight. My previous IKEA chair sucked in many other ways (I don't remember which model) but at least it had an adjustable back. You could loosen two hex screws, slide it up or down and then tighten them again. It boggles my mind why this chair doesn't include that simple feature.
@@TasnuArakun Maybe you're more torso than legs. Some people are all legs. People are built different. I'm more 50/50. I don't see how the headrest would ever be a problem. Are you sure we talking about the same chair?
@@placeholdername3206 That might be it. Now that you mention it, I often have problems with ergonomic chairs without adjustable backs when others my height don't. Yes, it's an Ikea Markus that I bought six years ago. My shoulders rest against the lower edge of the headrest making it so that I can't lean back comfortably without slumping. Other than that it's a great chair. Very sturdy and very durable.
I tried these recently. They're easily the best two chairs IKEA offer of this kind. I settled on Markus.
Main reasons:
* Height
I am short (162cm) small frame woman. Markus I can sit in it without shoes and touch the floor on the lowest height setting. This is important as my old office chair I hate having to rest my feet on the part the caster wheels attach to.
* Solid feeling throughout
* Controls easy to use/more ergonomic
Järvfjället, this chair is definitely for taller person. I could not touch the ground with my feet on lowest setting. I liked the slimmer chair width wise, it felt better for for me than Markus. Firmer chair cushion was also acceptable. Head pad felt too high up even on the lowest setting so redundant.
* Seat never felt stable/solid. OK you have to pull the left arm to release the lock to slide, and it locks when you let go. However there is a gap between the sliding rail so the seat basically rattles on top if you shift position. We checked another display model and it also had this wobble. I see some suggest putting tape in the rail or returning it for another.
The adjustable lumbar support was nice to have, but I didn't really need it to be movable. On Markus it is in a good position for me.
The armrests were also rickety and uncomfortable plastic.
Tilt control is different, and the same new mechanism is on their gaming chairs. I don't like it, you have to pull to release, then push it in to lock. If you are short it is hard to do this and set the ideal position at the same time. It's tricky to do on Markus but even harder on Järvfjället and similar.
Edit: My Jarvjallet has become squeaky after just 7 months.
I've recently returned the Markus for the Jarv. I'm 5'6 and personally much prefer the Jarv, the back support is better, better armrests (especially compared to the new Markus model) and the ability to move the seat forward or back (which I use more than expected) is a plus. However the seat cushion on the Jarv is a lot more firm and depending on the person, it may be uncomfortable after a while.
Would you say jarv is more comfortable than the Markus?
@@vigogamer Yes but you need to try them yourself.
tried jarv yesterday and the seat was definitely more firm that markus. that's the only thing preventing me from getting that..
bro you are dwarf
if the seat is the only thing people are not sure about with the Jarvjallet then surely buying a cushion would make it complete, right? i think that's something i could work with as i do that with my current gaming chair.
Had the Markus for 5 years. I used it every day for work from home. It’s good but after 5 years of intense usage it became to feel like I’m sitting on a wooden bench.
Can you review the new Ikea chair STYRSPEL? Some reviews say it feels like a Aeron but a lot cheaper.
The new markus is no longer PU leather but a more cloth-like material. Not sure if I like it.
Would be interested to see how Ikea's newest chair STYRSPEL compares to the Markus?
Seconding this. I would like to see review of the Styrspel too.
It's a really good chair for the price! I also think the seat is comfortable and nice, maybe not the best though for continuous sitting for long periods of time
im sitting on markus right now
Yeah but all those adjustment points will make Jarvjallet weaker.
If you just need a chair to survive being sat on then the Markus is still king of the hill.
(My brother broke many chairs before finding the Markus, it survives to this day.)
So better than the Chinese ergonomic chairs on Amazon I guess
i just bought an Markus. I try´d both for some time, and the markus it´s more convertable, cheaper, low profile for my SetUp and the lombar suport on the Jarf.... it´s very bad and hurt´s my lombar ... but the best way to chose is to try each one of them.
I have a 13y/o Markus chair. Sadly, it appears they don't make the leather version anymore, at least i don't see it in my country's Ikea. At this point i would rather go with one of their gaming chairs.
I have all these features and more with my ergoCentric tCentric chair.😅 height adjustable arms a great feature to have.
Anyone know why all modern chairs are so high, even at their lowest setting? Not many can plant their foot flat on the ground
Haven't tried a single IKEA chair so far, but the Markus still seems to be their best offering. The new chairs they've released recently don't seem to be that impressive.
We recently visited IKEA,Most of them were terrible-GK
@@btodtv Is the markus the best chair from ikea, including the gaming ones?
The Markus and Jarvfjallet are their two best options. The gaming chairs are awful -GK
@@btodtv not even the MATCHSPEL? I went to a IKEA today, tried one and liked it, but I dont trust my judgment. I'm planning on returning there to try the Markus and make my choice.
My lower back usually hurts with the Markus and after a couple of hours of sitting on it, my butt is usually numb.
I'm male, 37, 1.82 in height and slim-built with 85kg. I spend around 4-8 hours daily sitting at computers. Maybe its just a body type and height thing, but the Markus is the best office chair I've ever had. I even like the lumbar support I'v heard a lot of criticism about. I can sleep in this thing. Best $35 I've spent.
35 dollar?
@@semihylcnky Got mine 2nd hand.
Give us the markjellet Ikea! I know it's in the back!!
Lol 😂 -GK
They desperately need to make a Markus 2.0
Why? The first one works
@@L10N. It does but it needs an aesthetic revision, could do full mesh version to go alongside fabric/leather. new armrests etc
What about the „Matchspel“ or „Huvudspelare“ from Ikea?
I tried all of ikeas chairs and their headrests are at the shoulderblade area if you are 6'2 or more. The lumbar "support" smashed so hard in my back it re-aggrevated my disc-issues.
Would you recommend Markus or Matchspel for about that height?
@@VoidoltHaven't tried matchspel but i am 6'2 and Markus is too small, the headrest hits my shoulders so i cant lean back. If you are shorter Markus is good though.
@@donn1473 im about 190 cm so I don't know what can be good cause i've heard that matchspell is also small
@@Voidolt yep i have the same issue, every "demonstration" video they have a female there and the chair barely fits her..
@@donn1473 I really have only 2 choices If i should go with Markus or Matchspel since it's on sale right now. And my kitchen chair just broke yesterday.
The recline on the markus is awful, the first position us way too forward so you can't use the recline because it push you toward an uncomfortable position . The other issue is the headrest who isn't in leather and by consequence will disintegrate itself with time
IKEA STYRSPEL REVIEW COMING?
Sorry if this is a bit off topic but have you guys heard of chairs by QOR360 and CoreChair? They're completely different and move around a ton and apparently promote good posture, almost kind of like a mix between a sitting stool and an exercise ball. Thanks for the reviews too, I got a CLATINA Mellet after my old chair was giving me horrible pain and it's been so much better!
Glad we could help you find a better chair for your needs. Typically, I would stay away from those types of products. They are a bit gimmicky IMO, and require you to own multiple chairs. They can work for some users, but in my experience they tend to get pushed to the side after a period of time. I would just get one really good chair vs. an average chair plus an active chair. Alternatively, you could look at standing desks to get you standing for periods of the day -GK
@@btodtv Thanks for the reply! I'll definitely keep this stuff in mind
So sad its impossible to get the mellet in germany. Its everywhere Sold out
I just bought Markus today and i tilted it and then locked and now it won't go back straight, what?
Any tall men 195 cm (6,4 ft) using them with experience for both? Which is better
Is the Järvfjället worth double the cost of the Markus?
No. Markus is better imo. -Ryan
JÄRVFJÄLLET meaning Wolverine (Wolver) Mountain. Cool name.
Bring back the leather Markus! The Jarvjallet is a flimsy, noisy, uncomfortable heap of manure in comparison
Hey have you guys tried the Mavix Chairs looking for a review on them the M5 and M7 thanks
Markus vs Millet?
Can we lock the wheels of that Black chair or not ?
Hi, what chair would you recommend to a big & tall person? (6ft4 and 300lbs)? I know one is Aeron size C - but is there a cheaper, 500 USD or lower alternative?
Anyway to get replacement armrests.?
Markus doens't have the leather option now...
Is there a way to put adjustable arm rests on the markus ? I hate the fixed one...
i just purchased a dexely from staples im not loving it. i have two weeks to return it for my money back and was thinking about getting one of these (280) right now at ikea, or possibly buying a used leap 2 theres a used office supply store locally and they are selling them for 300, i went and checked out the used chairs a couple were pretty solid and had minimal wear and tear. but i did like the recline one the markus alot what do you think i should get?
Best chair worst cushion... I I'm returning this tomorrow.. jarv get lost 🤣
PS: how tall/big are you? :D
The arm rests on my Markus are not padded. They are the worst. I'm considering hacking different armrests onto it.
They've got more padding than the Jarvfjallet, which is just chunks of plastic.
I have a Markus. The headrest forces my neck forward, and now my neck is deformed. Thanks IKEA.
LMAO. I just watched your tier ranking video and both those chairs you ranked at F, alongside a kitchen chair, ffs. Here, you recommend it... Title: "is (the chair) still the best...
Nice consistency, bro.
I wouldn’t say watching a comparison from two years ago, from one of the three that rank in the tier list is going to match up. It’s a different format of video. Personally, in 2023 I went from D tier to F. As you look at the ever changing market, better stuff has come out from a comfort perspective, especially for the price. Opinions can change over time as well. It wasn’t ranked high in any tier lists so going from D to F isn’t that crazy. It’s not a great chair.
-Greg
My jar armrests are no adjustable :(
(I live in Russia, maybe that's the reason)
CONCLUSION : IF YOU HAD 300$ AND YOUR IN IKEA , WHICH ONE WILL YOU GET THE MARKUS OR JARVISHFILLET
If it has to be one of those, then I would go Markus. I would personally rather use the Ticova, Clatina or Branch Task though. -Ryan
@@btodtv Aight, thanks so much sir . Sadly the ticova and Clatina are not available here and there are no office chair shops where i could buy from too, so i heavily rely on Ikea products. This video was very useful for us people finding difficulty in looking for different branches of office chairs in our area. Thanks again for the video
Markus is just painful. And the arm rests too low.
Which is better?
It makes annoyingly loud click noise all the time.
Which one is better Markus or ergochair 2.0
I personally wouldn't trust a single product from Autonomous, as they're usually overpriced and of a cheap quality.
They don't make their own products, all they do is get Chinese OEMs to build them something they can slap their brand on.
@@StardustLegacyFighter I see I own Markus(fabric) and it's not comfortable on my back and if sit for long period.Was planning to buy JÄRVFJÄLLET or ergochair 2.0
@@masterchief5574 I would definitely try out the new Jarvfjallet chair and see if it's an improvement over the Markus.
I'm personally not a big fan of companies like Autonomous, but it's your decision at the end of the day.
@@StardustLegacyFighter How do you know this? Thinking of getting rid of my autonomous chair since it's been hurting my back recently.
@@MA-xb2yz If you've got the budget, definitely get a nice office chair from one of the more reputable brands.
Even if you can't justify buying a brand new one, you can always get refurbished/remanufactured ones for a lot less.
It just depends on what's available in your country.
Markus is the best design of Ikea made. But quality is realy bad.
people do not buy those chairs, i got the jarfv and its horrible the pain in the back its awful. Spend money in good chairs no these type. I never write on internet but this chair makes me reaaaaaaaly mad. Have a good day xoxoxoxoxo
Col dar
I had 3 Markus chairs over 20 years. The chair is build like a tank and its extremely reliable.
After all this time...after all the feedback...STILL nobody is making the perfect chair...
People are way too different to make one chair that is perfect for everyone. People just like different things. -Ryan
Designers are weirdos and awkward people with skewed perceptions of aesthetics, that's the problem.
LMAO the way Americans say IKEA product names is fucking hilarious!!!
god, how I hate how the anglosaxons pronounce anything not english... it's ear tearing and takes more time to decipher than hindu scripts
p.s. it's a joke and the video is great
Guys... Neither one of those chairs compares to the king. I'm really surprised you don't know what it is. A recliner. That's right, the recliner from grandpa's living room. That thing is far and away better than any computer chair you'll ever hear about. Take my word for it and give it a try.
But that cheap Ikea fake leather will crumble after 2-3 years.
😢
No it won't - used for 6-8 hours a day five days a week for 15 years - like new.
it's garbage. expensive waste. the supports come off after half a year of use.
eewwww ikea markus? seriously?
Don’t compare to the Aeron it’s not even close
That's obvious lol, but this is about budget chairs.
Its the worst chair on the planet I curse every single person that recomended this DO NOT BUY IT EVER
and yes I removed lumbar support and its still utter shaite, horrendously uncomfortable
@@dienivaca2473 It's person to person, I find it incredibly comfortable but yeah you really need to go into a store to try it