Winter Tires vs All Season [All Weather] Tires - What the Data Tells Us
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Can modern all season tires (these type of tires are called called all weather tires in North America, Europe doesn't have the US all season tires) keep up with winter tires in the snow? Can a good performance winter tire match an all season tire in the dry and wet? What is the best type of tyre for you? All Season or Winter tires? Which type of tire uses the most fuel / gas, is the nosiest? Is best in aquaplaning / hydroplaning?
This video looks at test data which includes all season and winter tires in the same test and compares the balance of performances across dry, wet and snow.
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Data used in video: (please subscribe)
Tyre Reviews All Season / Winter Spreadsheet: docs.google.co...
Sport Auto All Season Test: www.tyrereview...
Auto Bild All Season Test: www.tyrereview...
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Love your videos. How about testing new winter tires vs 5+ year old tires, or nearly new vs 5+ year old tires with similar tread wear? Hard to test exactly, but would be interesting to see how tires perform as they age. Also how old to let tires get before you change, even if they have good tread life.
what about the weather peak from bridgestone?
Wished you would do a review for what's the best winter tire for RWD vehicles. What's rated best for FWD and AWD cars are not what's necessary good for RWD cars as when I first got my 2016 Mustang GT thinking buying the X-Ice Xi3's was the best option because it was the #1 tire back then but those tires were very unsafe to drive in and it ended up being the Blizzak WS80's being the life saver, now the WS90's are out. It's not the best with fuel consumption and connering but when you're driving in Canadian weather, it's better to drive safe than fast!
My son is getting his driving permit and we watch your channel together. I keep telling him the only thing holding your 3,000lb vehicle to the road is a couple inches of rubber. Tire selection makes all the difference in safety. You can have all the blind spot warning, lane assist, automatic braking, AWD you want. If your tires don't hold you to the ground....all that stuff doesn't matter. Keep up the great work!!!
That is awesome! Glad you're educating him :)
@@codincoman9019 please, visit central Poland .I suppose you will change your mind
This, is precisely why EVERY SINGLE YEAR on the first snow storm, we have dozens of fancy expensive SUVs in the ditches, because people forget that every mechanical aid and nanny in the world can't defeat the awesome power of the moron doing the piloting. Don't drive above your skill, don't drive faster than you can stop.
@@codincoman9019 I can actually agree and disagree with you, within my own fleet of vehicles. :D
One car has summer only tires, but it gets put away in the late fall anyways so it never sees cold/snow or even rain mostly.
Another is driven year round, but doesn't generally go out in snow, it just might get caught on a smaller storm, so it has good all seasons.
The last gets studded snows put on it, as it does plowing duties in the winter, and has appropriate all season off-road capable tires on it the rest of the year.
Also good brakes
Being a tyre geek myself, every kind of test and comparison I have ever imagined and wished it existed, this channel has it:D Cant thank you enough man!:)
Glad you enjoy it!
yeah right! this is literally the most useful chanel in the whole youtube
I just like stats comparison. Depending on where your focus lies, there is a certain Tyre for you :D
@@webuser2014 which ones ? CrossClimate 2 ? I bought them for front tires size 245/19 . Only drove them on dry roads for the moment.
Is there a test on the channel how all-season tires behave on hot days? I mean temperatures above 30 * C, the surface is then 50 * C and more.
I have a set of 245/50 Hankook Kinergy 4S2's on a 2023 Mazda CX50. They were perfect during summer temps of +30 degrees C and they saw their first snow and ice and -25 degrees this week. At -25, on dry pavement and on snow, these tires provide amazing grip. Enough for me to not be missing a set of winter's. It's only on Ice where they struggle a bit... They still provide enough grip to keep you safe at city speeds and has enough traction to get you going.
My wife has a set of Bridgestone Turanza all season tires, and they are just plain dangerous on ANY amount of snow. She is running a set of Nordic winters as her second set, given how bad the traditional AS is.
I will reserve my final judgement on what we call all weather tires in Canada, till I have driven the Hankooks in -40...
That saved so much money for so many people on top of reducing waste from old tires. Thank you!
I have had the cross climate 2s on my golf for just over 2 years now and I absolutely love them. I never thought all seasons could be this good. I have x ice for the winter but this year I’m almost debating whether it’s even worth putting them on. I love how the cross climates handle in the dry. The on center feel is better.
If you see a lot of snow or compacted ice I would definitely make the switch, but for mid winters maybe not!
@@tyrereviews Belgian winters are mild, snow is rare but not exceptional so very happy with CrossClimate 2s on my Tesla 3 LR.
I love the Vredenstein Quatrac Pros on my 2005 Subaru Outback. I wanted to get the top rated Cross Climate2s, but they did(do?) not make them in my car's size in the U.S. Now that I've experienced the Quatrac Pros superior wet braking and handling first hand, I would buy them again. I'm glad to see that the test results confirm my "seat of the pants" feeling about these tires. And since I live and drive in areas where there's not too often heavy snow/ice, they are perfect for my more mild wintry conditions. With the bonus that during heavy summer rains the car handles brilliantly. Also they are pretty cushy for highway cruising in the standard 16 inch size that my car requires. That said, you can feel the squishy sidewalls in hard cornering and that took a few drives to get used to, and I lost about 1 mpg in fuel mileage over the all seasons I had on before. But, that's not why I bought these tires. I'll gladly sacrifice a bit of mileage and dry weather at the limits handling for secure foul weather performance.
Glad you're getting on with them :)
I'm with you Marc. In the dry, I just don't push the car - I'm very far "inside the performance envelope" of any tire, all the time (barring emergencies, etc). Normal driving in the wet is a different story; I spend much more time closer to the traction limits - so that's where I want the extra "cushion". In snow/ice, "normal driving" is everyone very nearly at the traction limit, all the time. But fortunately I don't see snow in my area. The Quatracs are tops on my list, when the time comes.
I've been waiting for a comparison like this forever! Thank you so much for listening!
I hope you enjoyed it!
Just wow!! Great comprehensive content. Great job!! Keep it up, keep them coming...
Rather than snow, how do these tyres compare for ice or frosty ground?
Changing tires over is a pita, but your conclusion makes sense. Guess I'll keep 2 sets of rims and tires, although I was thinking the cross climate 2 would be a good compromise.
Thank you for everything you do.
I use the Crossclimate 2 year round in Tahoe, California, with the idea for emergency braking/handling in dry conditions and snow conditions (ie, highway speeds and going around town were other out of control cars might be around) as the two advantages, and knowing that I will try to avoid driving in wet conditions or make sure to extra moderate my speed as when in potentially icy or snowy conditions. Wish they would come in runflat version!
Great video. I'd love a video about differences within tyres eg. Michelin Primacy 4 non-S1 vs Primacy 4 S1
Finally! Thanks.I
change tyres for winter and summer. But living in the uk it may be best to use an all season during winter like you said. After researching for a month i think the a005 is the best for me.
Fantastic tyre for the UK, just not the best in wear
@@tyrereviews not a problem. Swapping tyres I had to change tyres due to age not wear.
He's not the hero people want, but the hero everybody needs
It's SUPERTIRENERD
@@tyrereviews can I get lucky enough to be with "SUPERTIRENERD 💪🏽" for testing of aggressive all terrains? 🥺🥺
You Rock Jonathan 🤟💪💯
Thanks
Just bought a005 evo - after seeing test from 2 reasons.. shop where i was buying alloys, havent got hankook 4s2 (they had 1st gen only) and i live in east midlands so snow if i will see - it will be 5 days in a year.
The service of changing tires has become super expensive. More than 50% since April. Until now I didn't even think of putting All season tires. Also I will not be able to rotate them. So once a year I will have to go to the tire shop. I believe that the Michelin Cross Climate have a rolling direction, so I can only switch front to back, but can't left to right.
Correct, but front to rear rotation is ok with me, not perfect but not bad
I've been amazed by the wet handling from my cross climate 2s although I was coming from Hankook kinergy GT which was complete ASS
I'm in PNW where snow happens once or twice. but wanna go to ski resort early in the morning after heavy snowfall. Still debating if CC2 would be enough for occasional ski trips. Looking forward to CC2/xIce comparasion!
It’s enough. I’ve got cc2s on my AWD Mazda and the tires have been amazing in the snow
Yeah, I’m sure the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4’s would be fine as well. AWD makes a big difference.
Everyone who has a car should watch your videos.. for their own safety. I actually wonder how many accidents could be avoided if people bought good proper tires instead of the cheapest option.
Thanks :)
Can you include General Tires in some of your All Season Tyres Testing Videos such as the General 365 AW or the RT43/45?
I don't normally comment but I have to say this channel is hands down the best channel for finding the perfect tire for you. Thanks!
Thanks :) Best and only I think!
Just had my pickup fitted with crossclimate SUV to go with the crossclimate 2s fitted to our other car. Fantastic tyres.
Nice pairing :)
I would like to see the Nokian WR G4 all season/all weather tire tested/compared.
Me too!
This guy knows more about tires than I know about...... anything.
Michelin Cross Climate is backordered until January on tirerack.. Conti the next best?
I'm very happy with the Vector 4Seasons gen 3 fitted to my 2006 Outback. Had the chance a few days ago to try them on the packed snow and ice in our yard when the temperature had dropped to minus 10. I was pleasantly surprised at the level of grip. Being a pessimist I will still be carrying a full set of snow-chains, shovel, hi-vis, blankets, provisions etc but these seem a very suitable tyre for the conditions we get here in the Peak District, that is highly variable (it's now plus 12 today and wet)
I just ordered the same. Not much snow in winter time here anymore so i hope all season will be ok.
What's your thoughts on HANKOOK KINERGY 4S2. It's pretty good on the tests. Always close to the premiums
"After watching this video, I found out why my 700 hp SUV is not performing ok with Michelin X-Ice Snow during Summer season"
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I've just purchased the Goodyear vector all season gen 3 tires for under my bmw 1 series. I just had simple run flat summer tires, but they were kinda bouncy on the road. In the climate I life, we have mostly rain, summers getting hotter and from time to time snow. I think I've picked the correct tire? Thank you :)
looking sharp mate
Kind of click bait... Kept showing Michelin CC2 and X-ice snow side by side, but no direct comparisons of these two were found in the video...
Agree.
Why there are no Nokian Tyres tested,like the Nokian All Season🤔???
I drive a 16 chevy ss. what winter tires/all season would you suggest for a delivery driver? Car will be located in ohio once its fixed and all that. winter seems to just shown up this week but no snow yet.
i have all seasons on it but last winter they did not cut the bill. engine issue may have helped them suck but they def werent happy in the snow.
As you say, the best thing is to have two sets of tyres. But how bad are the all season tyres in 30°C heat? Asking because I have a car at grandma's house which is driven only when I fly to visit her and the tyres are getting pretty old so I'm considering buying only one set of CrossClimate 2 to use year round. Thoughts?
Most of my all season tests end up being tested in overly warm conditions in the dry and wet and they're pretty good
@@tyrereviews Thanks a lot, I think that might be the best solution then.
I've never heard anyone call them all weather tires in America. We also call them all seasons lol
All season and all weather are different categories in the US. So a European all season is like a US all weather. That's why US all seasons have such a bad rep for winter.
@@JustinJCB huh, didn't know that. I'm going to look up all weather tires now 😄
I put some examples on screen :)
Hi there,
I'm looking for tyres for my BMW E36 for the winter months in 225/45 R17 size. For the summer I've been using Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 6s based on your recommandation, and I've been very happy with them. For the winter, I'm looking for tyres that are still playful, have excellent grip in the wet, and good grip in the dry, mostly in cold (0-7 C) temperatures, but they are still usable and fun to slide ;) in the 2 or 3 weeks of snow and ice we get. I'm interested in both all season or winter tyres, I've watched all three of your videos in this topic, but I can't decide. Do you have a recommendation?
Thanks
I'd take the Hankook, Conti or Bridgestone all season tyres. Actually, I'd keep the e36 off the road as they're too nice for salt, but if I had to drive I'd go with one of those. You will lose a lot of fun but they're the best of the bunch IMO.
@@tyrereviews Thanks for the advice! The E36 will have to indure this winter unfortunately, but not for long. I'm planning on getting a fun daily early next year. 😀
I can't understand why people don't just have 6 cars all the same, each one with tires for different conditions. You know, summer tires, snow tires, studded ice tires, rain tires, fog tires, pizza tires . . . I'm full of good ideas me. 🤔
I can attest that the CrossClimate2 is absolutely useless on icy roads. The old Nokians I had did better.
can you review the vredestein hypertrac
I need to test that whole category :)
So what's the best performance tyre for the UK please? I need the best WET braking and WET handling, don't care much about dry, as it's always wet anyway and it doesn't snow much anyway. Shall I bother with All season or just get a good summer tyre? by the way which summer tyre has the most THREAD and will last for longer? Thanks
The Vredestein Quatrac Pro is THE absolute beast for cold wet condition with decent snow performance and mediocre in the dry. And quite cheap.
@@Neocray1 I went for the Hankook all season ones, after watching this review and stay away from Bridgestone's, I've had them before, they mega expensive and total rubbish, too soft and the grip is not what I expected, simply not worth it.
@@itftcomputers So how do think of the Hankook? I was thinking of going for it too, as a somehow UHP all season tyre for winter, instead of a UHP winter.
@@Neocray1 Still waiting for the tyres.... Never use NationalTyres, complete crap service. The worst ever!
@@itftcomputers No worries, I'm in France. 😅
It would be interesting to see a test between All Seasons and Winter tyres on slushy snow surfaces, rather than the more usual tested dry compacted snow.
that slush between lanes specifically
I think the problem with that is the reproducability of these kind of surfaces... But I'm with you on that, I'd like to see some test like that, too!
I would like to see a test of a new all season/winter tyres against the same tyre half worn .Possibly adding in a fully worn tyre but still legal tyre. Just be interesting to see if the grip reduces in a linear way or not !
Yes, old tires would be good test.
I've half shot this :)
Yes, I would be the great test :)
Winter tyres doesn’t reduce grip linear on snow. The biggest difference is on first millimeters of use.
@@tyrereviews You're a frickin beast
Great idea
That was probably the best description of the differences between them in the snow breaking 😂
" From that to that to oh my god that's a huge accident" 🤣🤣🤣 6:27
Not sure if you've done this already but would love to see a similar comparison using all-terrain/M+S tires for pick-ups/SUVs.
For example, the Goodyear Duratrac is a winter rated, M+S, AT tire and I've personally found it to be the best do-it-all tire I've ever used. I'm curious to see how it stacks up to modern competition as well as dedicated winter tires. And does having the mountain-snowflake symbol make it a winter tire or just a winter capable tire?
Man you deserve an award for the work you’re doing, seriously
Don't get cheap, send him an award.
Bridgestone Blizzak WS-90 and DM-V2 are probably the most popular winter tires in the US. We would love to see you test them. Keep up the great work!!!
I really want to test those!
My Toyota Sienna has a extra set of OEM rims with WS-90 and my RAV4 V6 has a extra set of OEM rims with the DM-V2. People in the Northwest of the US believe 4x4/AWD means winter readiness and when I drive to the mountains 90% of the time those are the types spun out in the ditch.
I have the Blizzak WS90 on my VW GTI and I can’t even tell you how excellent it is on fresh snow, days old snow, ice, and even 3-4 inches of snow. Saved my butt 3 times at least in the 400 miles I’ve been running it.
I live in a mountainous alpine region and my own neighborhood is hilly as hell.
I wonder how newer Toyo GS-i 6 and new Nokia fares against them. They lasted a bit longer than WS-80.
My sis, living in Sacramento area put a set of Cooper Discoverer True North on her 2015 Tacoma and side wall on both front tires disintegrated at the end of the season, leaving her stranded on Rd. 88. I'm so disappointed, and her being furious. Cooper Tires never again.
Just put Bridgestone Blizzak WS-90s on my Kia Niro. First time with snow tires but have heard they do a good job if you don't have AWD.
Forever I will remember the day when my daughter’s friend was being dropped off at my home during the winter via her father in a 20 year old subcompact. I was shoveling the driveway when they arrived, and he began lamenting road slipperiness due to the snow. I then gave him my winter tire endorsement, same as I do to anyone who will listen. I worked in the automotive industry for 30 years and was involved in the association meetings where they debated the “how old is too old to keep driving on your tires” topic, for instance. Not two weeks after my conversation, he lost control on a curve and was broadsided by a truck. RIP my daughter’s best friend Rosie. How tragic. Winter tires likely would have prevented this tragedy.
@@vladimirkostic9932 This is terrible logic.
@@vladimirkostic9932 That's not how logic works.
I got the crossclimates for my Alfa in November when temperatures dropped & my Pilot sport 4S just stopped working. Really good in cold wet conditions, snow was lacking this year but one morning driving home was overtaking multiple vehicles travelling very slowly & was finding tons of grip on what was fresh overnight snow. Ive run with pure winter tyres in the past & the crossclimates feel their equal IMO but as I've said we haven't had a hard winter for a few years. Put about 4000miles on them over winter & don't seem to have worn very much. Where the pilot sports I'm lucky to get 8000 out of them as I change them at around 3.5-4mm as performance wet & dry drops of sharply at these tread depths (8mm new)
Ps I'm on very good terms with the lads at local tyre fitters!
@@adriansutherland7948dry performance tends to INcrease with lower thread depth
Nice made up youtube comment story 🤣 why do you get off on writing fake stories like this?
More confirmation that the Cross Climate is the tire for me, and has been working great the last few years. Living inland in the NW USA, we don't see much rain at all. We go from stupid hot summer to cold winter with occasional snow/ice. Its good to know that the Michelin CC isn't the best in the rain, that lets me temper my driving a bit there. But having the dry performance with the occasional snow needs... love it. Currently have them on two of three vehicles.
Related to that, how about a testing of all-weather and snow for truck/suv sizes? I have the CC on our RAM Promaster (same as Fiat Ducato), and love it there. Curious if the brand differences show up similarly in that tire market as the passenger vehicles.
I like the Cross Climate also and happy to see the results. Not a good Seattle tire due to rain braking but I’ve since moved to Salt lake and it’s ideal for this climate.
CC would be great for me but I wear tires fast and I hear the CC wears quickly. I would probably get a year and a few months out of them. I'm leaning towards Bridgestone Weatherpeak.
It's in the negatives F here today. It's supposed to be 55 degrees F on 1/23. Still got Viking Contact on my car. 8,000 miles roughly with 6/32 left.
After watching videos from several channels and looking through your website, I have purchased a set of Michelin CrossClimate 2s for my M240i to get me through the dreary North West UK winters. Last year I got stuck in less than half an inch of snow coming home from a night shift and had to sleep on the back seat for a couple of hours while waiting for the snow to clear up. Hopefully the CrossClimates are going to get me home where my Michelin Pilot Super Sports couldn't.
Thanks a lot for all detailed information you have provided!
Oh they will. And you'll have a lot of fun if you turn TC off (not recommended of course)
I have driven in a solid 2-3 inches of show covering the road last winter in Belgrade, -6C at the time, in my Megane 3 with CrossClimate 2 tires. I had zero issues moving about, but the snow was supper wet so I had to creep at a max of 30-40km/h in the city. Any faster and the rear end would start to slip when braking.
I replaced a set of assorted shonky budget tyres with premium all season tyres a couple of weeks ago.
I'm in Scotland. It's mid-November. It's 15°C out there. Sigh.
After the last two winters where I made the change to all seasons and except for a very cold April/May, probably would have been better off on my Pilot 4 summer tyres due to the high average temps. This year I am faced with a dilemma as my old conti all seasons need replacing, do I stick with the Pilot 5 summer tyres hoping for a mild winter or do I purchase a new set of all seasons for the winter. The law of sod says that sticking with the summer tyres will see a cold winter this year in the UK and me cursing my decision
I'm out in the countryside in Scotland, and the council usually chooses not to bother with little things like ploughing the street or putting down salt (and only in the last few years have they even installed any salt bins, the rest of the time it was supply your own materials and effort) so I just stick with the all seasons. I'll take the slight hit in performance during the good weather for always being able to get home in the bad.
@@mcdon2401 I usually run all seasons as standard, but I just got the car recently. It's just typical, you prepare for winter and it warms up. It's kinda weird because it's warm and windy but with a really gloomy overcast. I was out on the bike just now, and expecting it to start raining at any moment. I suppose it'll be blizzards next week.
Please start a Patreon! I understand the awkwardness of it. But I would love to see more frequent testing. Especially expensive test like wear. I would absolutely contribute, perhaps others might too.
Thanks, I've actually been considering that recently, I setup thanks on youtube and started the youtube version of patron but it's not a nice system so gave up. I'll look into it over xmas
Your excellent, scientific experiment oriented videos led me to think analytically about the distribution over road conditions I experience in New England and make a winter tire choice more cognizant of the tradeoffs.
They also got me experimenting with different bicycle tires (where it's a lot cheaper to be a tire nerd :P)!
What did you conclude?
@@tyrereviews Driving with a young family, I wanted the extra performance and safety margin that comes from a dedicated winter tire if I encountered winter conditions. I also don't HAVE to be out in the worst winter storms or icing conditions, the roads get cleared here, and hence I would rarely encounter situations where a Nordic winter tire was best. I went with the Michelin Alpin 5: strong results in the dry, sporty if by myself, but also good performance all around in case I need to safely get through anything else (including up to the ski slopes).
For bicycle tires, I got the Continental Top Contact Winter II for winter bike commuting. It appears to be unique as a studless winter bicycle tire.
@@fortinbras47 I used to run the Alpins, but after experiencing periods of the year where temperatures kept dipping below and rising above the 7C tire crossover temperature, I ended up moving to the Cross climate 2s :s
(And some summer tires for going to the race track when it's the middle of summer)
I'll probably get a set of CrossClimate2s for my new SUV and keep them on all year. Seem to be good enough to handle almost any situation.
Probably the best all season tire . Just take it easy on the wet only down side is wet handling . Braking in the wet is actually good just gotta watch those turns .
Fantastic information, and I think education should go well beyond just fellow tyre geeks in your community. I moved to Ireland from warmer climes, and didn't realize how much summer tyres go "off" at about 7 deg C. Learnt by feel (fortunately not the very hard way). Scary thing is vast majority of drivers here do not recognise this change of grip levels and no thoughts of switching tyres for cooler season.
1:10, Actually we have specific all season tires and specific all weather tires in Canada and USA.
Looking forward to your big Michelin test ! Cross Climate 2 vs Alpin 6 vs Snow Ice will be very interesting. Living in Auvergne France ( Michelin country) with twisty, mountain roads, a fair bit of ice and snow in Winter and very hot Summers I still have two sets of tyres (mounted on alloys) for my 2021 Duster (original Continental Eco Contacts and Goodyear Winter tyres) but Uniroyal All-Seasons for my Chevrolet Spark runabout.....the Cross Climate 2 (or 3!) is tempting when the next change comes around!
You definitely can't beat two sets of wheels and tyres.
The extra safety the Michelin CC+ brings over my Goodyear Supersport's in the British winter is definitely worth it, especially after a few trackdays the wet weather performance drops off quite a bit.
so... to make things simple, brits should just get crossclimate
Actually no, it's too good in the snow and not good enough in the wet. I think the Hankook and Bridgestone are better balanced for the UK
Just coming up for my 3rd winter in a European country that mandates winter tyres from mid November to mid March, I opted for all seasons because having 2 sets seemed lots of faff and added costs. No regrets so far, I’ve experienced so little snow that I’ve not needed good snow performance but the cold wet performance is great, during summer I’ve had no issues although it’s obvious the performance is not up to the standard of a summer tyre.
I'm considering switching to all seasons myself and this reinforces my opinion that it will be the summer tyres that I'll miss... Thank you!
@@RaduB. about 8 years ago we went from summer continentals to the original cross climate michellins.
i have to say, at least for that switch the michellin delivered better in everything.
(the continentals i think were premium ecocontact or something like that, in theory delivering fuel economy. with very conservative driving they gave just 40k km and about 3+ years)
the michellins after that went for over 90k km, over 5years and had at least 40% thread remaining, but were changed due to age for an upcoming yearly inspection.
the michellin brought a lot more comfort.
way better handling,
quiter rider on higher speeds
way less vibrations (the continentals went through extensive checks for balancing and still above 150 kph too much vibrations after 3 years. the michellins at 5 years old were still perfect at 190kph)
actually brought a barely noticeable 2-5% fuel consumption decrease
braking performance increased amazingly
and they obviously made the car capable of driving in wet or fresh snow (not possible with summers)
so dont be afraid of all seasons, if you choose a good tyre that matches your needs and wants it should still deliver sufficiently for you
@@pasmas3217
Thank you! That is very helpful.
@@codincoman9019 it was supposed to be the best fuel efficiency premium summer tyre back then and it was supposed to deliver (at least) some performance too. It wasn't a cheap summer eco tyre compared to the beat all season.
Also the comparison is just the personal experience (and why we stayed with cross climate ever since)
It is not a scientific study comparison.
And btw on my personal car, which is about 450kg lighter than the family car, with a bit more power I have some fairly cheap (in theory) performance-like summer tyres. The michellins still deliver equal or better, but that's a comparison I know is not to be made due to the different tiers of tyre quality, and why I didn't put it in the original comment.
There are so many types of surface on winter roads". You obviously do test in thick layer of snow - conditions which are reather rare.... V-shaped tire are expected to perform well there, it shape like agricultural tiire. Will it do its work on icy road, slush or dirty wet asphalt where salt makes ice to melt but not to evaporate due to humidity? CrossClimate 2 are just slippery in that conditions.
I am from Brazil but now I am living in Canada. My car is a brand new with all season tire. So will be my first winter may I keep all season or is better change for winter tires?
His defintion of an all season is wildly different. We call what he calls an all season tire an all weather tire. All seasons tires in canada are not the same. Get winter tires. Those all seasons are trash below 7 degrees.
I did not catch if you are mentioning temperatures for your dry and wet handing tests. I am deciding between purchasing an all season or winter tyres to be used between November and March in Central Europe. For summer I'll get a summer tyre. I drive about 10 kms per year in snow, rest of my driving is on dry or wet roads which might get icy. Temperatures generally range between -5°C to 10°C in winter where I live, with the occasional extremes both ways. Am I right to assume that in this climate getting an all-season tyre such as Hankook H750 Kinergy would be a better choice than a winter tyre such as Hankook W452 Winter i*cept?
Best All seasons in weathers:
Winter 1#: Michelin (low fuel effiency)
Rain 1# Bridgestone (med fuel efficiency)
Dry 1# Continental (high fuel efficiency)
What's the most balanced, preferring the wet in low temps and high temps and dry at the same time?
Hi! As a former motoring writer, I can really appreciate your work and I have long followed your reviews and taken your advice several times. So, based upon what you say here, I'm considering the Hankook Kinergy 4S2, over the Hankook i Cept RS3. I live in Budapest and we no longer get much snow, so rain, occasional ice and dry conditions are the norm. I cannot find a direct comparison between the two Hankook stable-mates but they both do well in the wet and, I am assuming that the all-season will be a step up in the wet, as your testing seems to indicate. Have you ever tested them back to back, yourself? Thanks again!
Why is the studless better on a ice track?
Can you test more tyres with studs and can you Please compare say maybe 2 years old stud tyres with new ones since no one do this?
I'd like to see the Nokian Hakka R5 vs the old Nokian R3 and other winter tires please!
Curiously, no mention of ice. Are all seasons any good on ice? I guess UK gets plenty of icing on the roads in the winter with it's high humidity?
Sadly as ice testing is very expensive we don't really test ice a lot, however I have videos on the channel comparing tyre types on snow and ice which might be able to help!
Very good...Thanks! Here in Washington State we get some snow but mostly a lot of rain. The cross climate 2 works very well around here all year long.
Turns out the comment section is just people justifying not using winter tires. Amazing.
I bought Maxxis all season. Well... will never buy all season again!
MICHELIN PS5 VS YOKOHAMA V107 PLS!!!
The dream
@@tyrereviews Although they are not their "S" PS5s or V107s versions, but the "normal" versions have been on the market for a while now... I will now mount V107 to test.
I hope to see the comparison here one day. Thank you. 😜😃
@@DaNNy_DodgeSpain Let me know how you find them :) Very few reviews and no tests globally yet: www.tire-reviews.com/Tire/Yokohama/Advan-Sport-V107.htm
@@tyrereviews perfect, a pleasure to help to have more different points of view. As soon as I can give more data, I will post the vehicle model, use that has been given to it and type of driving, etc. it is always good to help the community and help make decisions. Grateful for the channel, keep going! ;)
@@DaNNy_DodgeSpain Thank you!
I love these videos! I have run Goodyear Vector 4seasons Gen 3 on my All4 Mini Countryman S for the past year and they are fantastic. I am thinking about two sets, though. Saying that, Scottish weather is quite unpredictable and often get four seasons in one day!
I put Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons gen3 on my Octavia 4x4. I live in the Yorkshire Dales and you have to be prepared for anything, any time, including almost no snow for the last ten years. I really like them and they have lasted well over three years. I have no problem with the handling which is little different at legal speeds. I certainly intend to buy them again, you are just "covered" whatever happens.
To me it boils down to 2 questions,
-Can you afford to run two sets of rims?
-Are you willing to sacrifice summer handling/performance?
Probably for most people in less extreme climates the all season is the sensible choice. But id always stump up for winters.
i was spending $110, twice a year swapping my wifes tyres over, used set of wheels for her car was 500 on ebay. No brainer really.
The third question should be the climatezone that you drive in.
We have 2 months with snow and ice, and 30C in the summer. We simply need snow tyres and summer tyres. Ive tried one winter with all season tyres, it was really dangerous.
But in many countries 1 set of tyres will probably be ok.
@@bsod5608 great point. For me in the uk we almost never get snow. But i need the snow ability for european snow holiday driving.
Us lot: vacillating over which tyre strategy for our specific driving needs.
Everyone else: the Landsails are £10 cheaper so they'll do.
Thanks for all your hard work, especially testing cheap Chinese crap for our entertainment
Contrary to popular believe, even crap tyres are better than worn premium tyres. Especially for aquaplaning.
Pigeon Poo: Sad but true!
TSLeng: Only for aquaplaning really!
In summary, everything is perfectly said! I have after the Michelin CC1 now mounted the CC2 and am very satisfied.
I was needing to replace my Winter tyres this year and looked at All Season options. But the price is essentially the same as a dedicated Winter tyre, & with more compromise in the season i'm using them for. So logic dictated buying a Winter tyre is the best option.
My Conti WinterContacts have lasted over 25k miles over the past 4 years (still with 4+mm of tread). I only use them between Nov/Dec - Feb/March time when the avg temp is below 7degrees to prevent them overheating and wearing down quicker.
@@Jabber-ig3iw that's a false comparison. It's 2 sets of all-season vs summer + winter set. You need two sets of rims and storage obviously but you get most of it back when you sell them after not needed anymore.
I ALWAYS wanted to see FWD with full Winter Tires (Blizzak lm005) vs AWD with All-season tires (Hankook Kinergy or CrossClimates or any other). There is no any test or video.
Tyre Reviews just did that like one year ago. Here th-cam.com/video/bRYHlb61_9Q/w-d-xo.html
Yes there is….
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awd all season has better acceleration but winters can corner faster and stop quicker
Yeah I've done exactly that (with goodyear tyres)
@@tyrereviews And I even watched and liked the video maybe I thought rear ones were summer but no. Thank you so much for your work and everything else you done for us.
@@Cornwall1888 Thank you so much for the link. I even watched and liked but I thought maybe I thought rear ones were summers but no. But do you really think that Goodyears are more winter side of all seasons or winter Goodyears were really THAT good on snow ? I wondered.
This past winter my wife suffered a medical emergency at home. I had just finished shoveling our driveway but it was snowing. The county hadn't reached our neck of the woods yet with the plows. Our van stays backed in the driveway for easy access! When we pulled out with a good amount of acceleration and got stuck. I didn't have time to figure out how to get unstuck and made the 911 call for a squad. It took them a good amount of time to reach our house. One of the medics told me even if you made past the driveway somewhere along the way you'd be in trouble cause it was plain and simple very bad out. By the time my wife's squad reached the hospital her medical emergency became life threatening. On a normal day we are 15 min away from the hospital. On this day when the squad left our house it was an hour and 15 min ride! Our van had new Yokohama Ascend A/S tire at the time. My wife made it through her ordeal and 4 months later she is back home! Also since this has happened all of our vehicles now have 3 mountain snow peak rated tires.
I've suggested my mom to put the allmighty Hankook 4s2 on 18" on her MB CLA also, they handle perfectly
RIKEN owned by Michellin made in Europe are starting to pick up traction with popularity... please please please can you do a review on riken
Earlier I wrote that I prefer 2 sets of tyres in my region, and that is still true and to be honest, I prefer Kleber. However, I've fitted all season Quadraxer 3 on my second car today instead of Giti, as it's been snowing the whole day, the temperature is around -4°C and Giti WInter W1 is an awful tyre for winter. It's just so unpredictable, as it's been losing grip all the time, in every corner and every roundabout on a fwd car. So it's totally true that a nice all season tyre is way better than a CN cheap winter tyre even in Nordic winter conditions. More grip, better traction, shorter braking distance, safer ride considering that all the pavement is covered with snow.
Appreciate the scientific approach to your testing and to sharing all the results - thanks!
Thanks :)
Can we get a comparison of low rolling resistance tires?
Hankook ION S, Michelin E-Primacy, Pirelli Powergy etc. please.
It would be interesting to watch a direct comparison between:
MICHELINE Cross Climate 2 and GOODYEAR Vector Gen-3.
If you live in the Pacific Northwest such as Vancouver, B.C. down to the state of Oregon. All Seasons tire is the way to go. You are living on the coast compared living close to the mountains. When snow comes a lot. In the winters it is usually warmer up to 50 degrees to 55 degrees Fahrenheit during the day. That means more rain compared to snow. Winter tires as I know is much better living in Idaho, Montana, and Alberta.
Where is Nokias tires. Would love to see those included.
*nokian. They're not tested much this year due to the situation in Russia
Exactly
If Europeans call what Americans call "All Weather " tires "All Season" tires, than what do Europeans call what Americans consider "All Season" tires... just tires?
The problem with all season tires is not on snow, it is their total lack of grip on ice and hard packed snow ice that is the problem where they generally have 2 to 4 times the breaking distance of non studded winter tires which is a deal breaker here where you have 5 to 7 months of ice on the roads. I now drive winter tires all year because it is so hard work changing the tires on my large Ford Transit comverted Campervan.
In Canada, we use the term all weather to distinguish tires that are usable year-round, but which carry the mountain/snowflake symbol and are homologated for winter use in provinces where the use of certified winter tires is legally required for parts of the year. These are in opposition to so-called "all-season" tires which some manufacturers still sell and are often standard equipment on new cars. These tires are not certified for winter use and are usually very, very, mediocre in wintry conditions.
Thank you for the review and reviews from other sources. Looking forward to the review on the Micheline vs Micheline vs Micheline vs Micheline 👍
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Would like to see some Weather Peak vs CrossClimate 2
Great info
Something else that should be discussed is tire pressure. Correct psi on winter tires is very important for grip. I own a powerful rear wheel drive vehicle running snow tires for winter conditions here in Canada.
Recently found the car slipping a bit on wet roads at around 2 degrees celsius.
Checked the psi all four corners 4 psi higher than I like, 34vs 30. Brought all tires to 30, problem solved. Glad I checked.
Vredestain Quatrac Pro totally helpess in the snow. Plus they are now in a very poor condition after 3 years and 30kkm. Never again.
You need tread depth for snow, and 30k kms will probably put them sub 4mm where snow performance drops off quickly
Hey! I'm looking to buy All season tires for my BMW G31. Very close to pull triger on Michelin crossclimate 2, but im worry about V shape and cross parent of the tire and sound. Too bad I can't buy Pilot Sport All season 4, cuz here in Europe just not possible. Its any other options? Maybe hard compound winter tire? 245/40 R19
In North America we have All season and All weather .. Try testing the "PIRELLI SCORPION WEATHERACTIVE" they might surprise you.!
All weather blows away all season in every category...
Completely new to winter weather as I moved to Stuttgart from the SE of US. I ended up with Cup2s for summer and the Hankook kinergy 4s for winter. I was struggling with a trip to Tuscany in november that would be mostly warm but return at over 2000m in the Alps. Ill see on my first ski trip how the 4s hankooks hold up but seems like they are up near the worse winter tires in snow and allow flexibility for a warm spring since going back to Cup2s is a commitment to warm weather.
Everyone is talking and comparing the all season tires with winter tires, but no one is talking about the handling and wear in the summer.