David, thank you for discussing the difference in all weather tires and all season tires. Looking forward to your next reports on your all weather tires at a later time. I agree with you and your wife on the choice of the WRG4 tires for the softer and safer ride.
I have been running the Michelin Cross Climate2s on my 2017 Highlander since May 2021. I have about 33000 kilometres (20;000 and a bit miles) on them and the tread depth is still just above 8/32s. They are quiet, comfortable and do really well in heavy rain and so far up to 6 inches of fresh snow. They do really well on hard compact snow and ice and as good as it gets on Black Ice. The fuel mileage is identical to the all seasons 5hat 5he vehicle came with. We haven’t ha$ much snow this winter but last year there was quite a bit and for weeks on end between mid October and late February. Sure AWD helps a bit but I used dedicated winter tires ( Michelin as well ) from late October to early / mid April before these went on. I’m pretty sure that short of doing 4 or 5 long road trips this Summer I will be able to get in next Winter as well. After these hit under 5/32s they will be replaced probably with a Cross Climate3 by that point. Other tire manufacturers are getting into the All Weather tire game and 5he more reputable ones will probably have similar qualities in their tires. The Cross Climate2s are constantly rated at the top in tire comparisons and even outperform some snow tires from other tire companies in many cases. This tire looks like it might be right up there as well.
Had the WRG4 tires for a few years now. When they were new, we drove up North and in and around Banff, Alberta in the midst of winter with no slippage at all. I’m very curious to see a video on a comparison between these tires and Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires.
I bought a Nokian allweather WGR4 for my wife's car (mostly driven in the city), and I have Nokian winter Hakkapelita on my car because I commute 150 km every day. The best tires I have ever had. Both! Allweather are about 3 years old now with 35k km, used all year round, 2 winter trips to Fernie and Banff, still OK. Highly recommend this type of tires
We have the wr g3 in my sienna for around 4 years ~60k miles and ready for a set of wr g4. Works very well in the snow and also the Kevlar reinforced sidewall works very well resistant to potholes.
David, I cannot speak for rainy Vancoooooouver, British Columbia 🌧but here in Ontario, I will continue to use lower rolling resistance 'All Seasons' in spring, summer and fall. I will stick with (pun intended) dedicated winter 🥶tires in winter. Please note, winter tires work best on cheap steel rims rather than expensive alloys. Finally, I have noted the use of the term '3 Season' tires in some discussions, I wish it would become an official designation adopted by regulators and industry.
Dedicated winter tires are much safer especially when it's a really cold winter with hard snow and ice. Also I'd rather a harder compound during summer like an all season tire especially on a RAV4 or other SUV that have more of a chance of roll over if your aggressively turn to avoid an accident. Sticky tires are best on performance cars plus they will wear faster. If you've ever been in an accident its an incredible amount of time and details plus insurance premiums going up if your at fault. I was rear ended recently and its not something I want to go through ever again even though I was not at fault. The all weather tire is a hard no for me.
@@jeffgendron1959 Likewise… If there is anything I can do to my make my car safer (from a physical safety or liability POV) and proper snow tires fall into this - then I am all in. Furthermore, a good dash cam is also worth every penny; if it can prove your innocence in a single he said/she said collision situation or unwarranted traffic ticket, then it has paid for itself in spades. 👍🏻
@@kevinsargent6282 That's the way I see it, if a winter tire gives me even just a few more feet of stopping power it could be the difference in slippery conditions! Lucky for me I did have a dashcam when I was rear ended. It was not facing the rear but it still proved I was sitting still in my turning lane waiting for the light to change when I was rear ended proving zero fault. I've heard that you can be blamed for some percentage of an accident and you dont want that on your insurance as your rates will go up. With my new vehicle I've added even more. Dashcam front and rear and I'm booking it in for an alarm system and a separate aftermarket engine immobilizer. My insurance company offers a 10-15% discount if you have an aftermarket engine immobilizer. I'm getting one that has a pin code you need to enter before the car will start. Still wont stop determined thieves but it's a deterrent with car theft on the rise.
Interesting: When I was in Alaska, I owned two sets of tires: in summer, I rolled with Goodyear touring tires. In winter, I rolled with Blizzaks. Of course, I used my student aid money for the Blizzacks. Now, I'm a professional and moved out after earning my PhD to CA...
I purchased 4 of them 2 years ago in a 255 40 19 on a jaguar from the first day I had vibrations at speeds starting from 40 mph on up. I had the tires rebalanced three times and two road force balanced and realigned to no avail. With a total of 3200 miles I replaced them with Michelin with no issues. Mavis tires sold me the Nokian’s and after the first two days of driving I went back to them to complain. I was told to contact Nokian for replacement with no help from Nokian customer support. Never again.
It sounds like the tires never had the right speed rating for your vehicle....A lot of tire shops especially "not experienced' service advisor they only look up the size not load and speed rating that makes a difference.
My wife had the Nokian WRG4 last winter in Vancouver on her Encore GX during the November snowstorm where people were stuck for hours and the WRG4 did fine. I find a pure winter tire will do better than the all weather on ice but that's to be expected
You’re right. You have to set your expectation. I love the crossclimates I’ve been using for the past 4 yrs on most of my cars, but they’re no where as good as winter tires. W the CC they would struggle going up the hilly roads in my area while it was not a problem w winter tires. Luckily the winters have been more mild in the past a several yrs w minimal snow.
Very surprised by this video. All-weather tires are indeed better than all season tires in winter, but they're not as good as real nordic winter tires. If you have get a lot of snow where you live, you should get real nordic winter tires like the Nokian Hakka R5.
Hi David, I am a huge fan of tires… My whole life I’ve always drove Goodyear up until about 10 years ago then I started driving with Michelin … are use Michelin all season radial tires… I really like those tires that you have on your Toyota RAV4. I would definitely consider those tires. What is your opinion of the BFGoodrich KO2 tires?…. If you can expand a couple of your videos to two or three different types of tires, I find them very interesting. I think you fanbase will agree, because the most important thing on a vehicle when you’re driving is its tires in my opinion.🇯🇵❤️🤍🇨🇦 DAVID, you are the best from all the rest☮️👍
I switched from the OEM Cinturato P7 to Weatheractive and I noticed the softer ride also, but at the same time very precise cornering due to stiff walls, which I am quite pleased with. Well worth the extra cost just just for that. They're just as quiet, but there might be a bit of penalty in mileage. Haven't tried them in snow yet but I expect a big bump in performance also.
I started with the first Goodyear all weathers (now different name) and have used Toyo Celsius, Nokian WGR4 (I got from Kal Tires too first year in Sep 2018), Michelin Crossclimate SUV, and Crossclimate2 as well. There are more in the market such as new Goodyear weather assurance and from Bridgestone and Hankook as well. If it works for your part of the world, all weathers are great!
@@jayscheck Goodyears were okay new and horrible near end of tread. Toyo I still have on an older vehicle, hasn’t been pushed but never felt unsafe; only drawback is lower gas mileage. WGR4 used for about 1.5 years handled snowy hill like a champ. I would get again. Crossclimates I just got early this year so haven’t pushed them yet. But I like the feel of them so far as they are smooth and feel sticky in the rain. Haven’t tried in snow yet so the final test still awaits but expecting similar results as WGR4. I just noticed Toyo Celsius 2 are out now. Wow lots of choices!
I have been thinking about the Crossclimate 2. Still running on the OEM Michelin that came on the 2022 Rav. The couple of times it snowed last winter I just used my husbands vehicle. Hard (for me) to replace tires that are new, lol.
David my co worker just bought a 2023 Rav4, just not a prime and he also bought a set of all weather tires from i believe Bridgestone and is waiting to see how they are going to perform here in Manitoba 👍
I had Nokian WRG4 on my compact car, after 3.5yrs and 30K Kms, all 4 tires had deep cracking and dry rotting near the sidewalls! Took to KT and warranty claim was honoured with 55% treadwear left based on 70K Km warranty. Replaced them all with new Nokian Remedy WRG5 that have 100K Km warranty. Hopefully they hold better than the WRG4s!
Had the WGR3 on the Tiguan and CR-V and did find these tires to be quite loud at higher speeds (120-140km). The have a howling type noise. Decided to try the Bridgestone weather peaks this time around.
I have CrossClimate and I live in Florida. Tread pattern almost make hydroplaning close to impossible!! And when I drive to Quebec during the winter, I swap out to dedicated Goodyear winter tires.
They are a comprise style of tire. Ok in every situation. My summers are good in the rain, fantastic in the dry, surprisingly wear well. In the winter season, I'll switch to snowies on my 2wd vehicle and the "all weathers" for my awd vehicle. "Ok" isn't good enough for me!
What’s your take on PPF and Ceramic coating on Toyota RAV4 XSE especially the lighter colors such as the Wind chill perl ? Do you have a PPF on your car / do you often Ceramic coat to protect OEM paint?
I found the WRG2 tires had better traction and handled better than the 3s, guessing they added a harder compound down the middle. The 3s felt like I was driving on rails, and the steering felt stiff, which totally made no sense? The big plus was in summer, great offroad traction, and no hydroplaning even with the tread mostly gone, plus you could run them most of the year if you had a 2nd set of winter tires. I use Nokian studded Hakkapeliitta 8s, only during the worst winter months, never more than 4, sometimes as short as 2. If you like your WRG4s I will give them a shot as my main tires, with the Hakka 8/9s as back ups.
I have used G1s-G3s on the West Coast as well and they are great for this environment. Even on the Coquihalla where that famous tv show films, and gets all the wreckage, the tires have performed flawless. I have driven up and down that stretch numerous times on my current G3s in harsh winter conditions, and even while they are filming and pulling out wreckages, and I have never had a slip or skid, and I am usually that guy passing everyone. I hope you do try other All Weather types as well. My wife didn't like her G3s on her XL Denali, but when I bought her a new one and it came with Firestone all weather, she really liked them. Even my son noticed a huge difference.
Looking forward to those updates over the next year. How many miles on the R$ Prime when the WRG4's were installed? It will be interesting to see how well they wear. Thanks, David.
I have Cooper AT3 tires on my highlander they work well....I live outside Edmonton at the time when I bought these tiires originally I was renting a apartment in Calgary so there was no spaceto store winter tires..So I'd say all weather tires are a bare minimum in Canada.
Price has a lot to do with it. I just ordered a set of 4 Nokian WR-G4's for a 2017 Kia Sorento AWD and they were well over $200 cheaper than the CrossClimate 2's.
Had the wrg4 on my 2004 civic for 3 yrs. For a little car. Tires did great. Have them on a pilot great traction in snow and wet. But eat up mpg on that vehicle. The xl is a stiffer tire
For the highest quality tire reviews, comparable to these excellent reviews see Tyre reviews . His lates looks at Nokians winter choices along with WRG4’s . Tests in Finland. Btw. I’m trying the Cross climate2’s bought last spring . We’ll see how winter goes here in Ontario . I’ve never been let down by Michelin but must admit the WRG4’s perform . Not sure if they’re available for my GX though . Interesting review thanks .
I have those tires on our Highlander, I agree that they have a soft smooth ride and maybe a little vague feedback but generally good feel. Last winter I had them on ice a few times and they were quite good!
Let me explain to you who should get ALL-WEATHER tires vs WINTER tires: If you live in an area where the grass on your front lawn is covered by snow for more than half of the winter season, then you need pure winter tires. Otherwise, get All-Weather tires if you only get the occasional snow in your area.
Thank you so much for sharing your information. I will consider Nokian WR G4 for my next purchase of tires. I am not a fan of changing tires every 6 months here in Saskatoon. God Bless your channel.:)
My guess is that it would have an effect, but negligible. Something like the Prime would probably not be affected all that much. At most I would guess losing like maybe 10miles off the meter
Hi David, I took off the OEM Yokohama tires replaced all weather tires. I found the tires are much quieter than the OEM! Also happy about the performance too.
If your currently driving around on all seasons every winter then All weathers are shown to test much better in winter then all seasons. Dedicated winter tires test better in ice and snow
David,being softer in compound they will wear out much quicker.My wife’s Lexus is all wheel drive and all season tires are very adaquate and we live in Ontario where we get lots of snow.
I love Nokian tires but the Hakkapelita R series…if I can spell that properly 😂…basically the Hakka R’s. I’ve had them on multiple vehicles and I’ve tried Blizzaks and and I think it’s the iPikes from Hankook and the Nokian’s are drastically better in my opinion. It’s been a while since I’ve tried some of the other brands like Michelin and Perelli, so maybe they have stepped up their game in the past few years.
Here’s what I’ve gathered. All season: summer tire u can use in winter. All weather: winter tire u can use in summer. Nothing beats separate summer and winter sets though.
So where is the winner review. I am tired of switching wheels too but i do live in snowy and icy part of NA. I don't care if they're noisy or wear fast but i do want max grip possible on ice and rain
The softer the tires the quicker they wear out. That being said I would go for these tires because I live in Wyoming where it snows a lot in the winter. I would love not having to change between all season and winter tires. If these tires check out ok by our engineer friend I will definitely be looking to get a set for my 2022 AWD Highlander hybrid. FYI I always keep a set of Falken Wildpeak AT3 tires on my Tacoma. They also have the extreme weather symbol on the sidewall.
Wyoming kinda seems like a state where I’d want a dedicated winter tire for that season. I like all weather tires for climates where there is sparse snow or some icy conditions but if it’s consistent for more than a few weeks out of the year I feel a winter tire is beneficial unless that vehicle won’t be needed much.
I d like to know if in Canada it is offered the Good Year Vector All weather tire! After a new legislation hier in Germany where i live everyone has to switch on winter tires in winter. The only alternative in winter tires are these all weather which they also perform fantastic in the rain i m using them now for 2 years on my Rav4 and they re simply amazing. There is also a new kid in town now from Bridgestone weather control 005 which is almost so good on wet pavement as real summer tires. I think before someone could get these tires should also very well concider the performance of those on dry and wet pavement,
Yeah - tires are not so polarizing in my head now. Pure Summer is like a Pure Winter tire - it afford that little bit extra at the extreme (total dry and CLEAN road or the exact opposite for a pure winter - BUT your trade off is very well known if you drive a pure summer or winter tire, basically the transition seasons - where the all season beats the pure summer increasingly and the pure winter increasingly as snow turns to water and heat right. Those season are exactly where the ALL WEATHER stretches that utility toward those extremes - but you effectively gain so much utility if you were to look a the trade off of a pure snow or pure summer - I tell you those are increasingly specialized purpose tires in the domestic arena as all weather makes those extremes of very rare use - literally with the transition seasons being more enormous with global warming in Canada, the small gain comes at a far greater trade off to my thinking as you cannot flip them back and forth in those transition seasons. I just know this - my factory all season were to me very close to a summer bias - and I did not like them in the winter - but also spring and fall they were terrible too - anything less than a dry, perfect surface I felt they were compromised. The Bridgestone All-Weather I got - it worried me on how much I was going miss the summer - BUT they were a huge improvement in the pot hole and dirty spring and the slush, leafy blustery Fall - summer MAYBE I loose a bit of MPG but summer is so short it is like 2-3 weeks of that heat (and clean painted roads) before we get right back to the cooler evenings and lower highs again - and you know the first slush the roads are back to not being in that perfect summer tire shape anymore and you start living the compromised "pure summer tire" experience.
This is very misleading. It’s for good reason why we have winter tires, mud tires, rain tires, all terrain tires, verses all weather tires. (1) Winter tires, (not snow tires) offer a tremendous amount of grip where roads remain snow covered. Unlike all weather tires where the tire tread easily clogs up from ice and snow causing loss of traction and control, the tire tread on winter tires does not easily clog up, which causes a serious loss of both traction and stopping power. Another highly serious drawback using all weather tires on snow packed roads is the side to side play that will make steering tricky. Whereas dedicated winter tires allow for far better steering, especially while trying to stop, and prevent downhill sliding. All weather tires will cause you to slide down snowy hills in the winter. Let that sink in. There are literally tens of thousands of videos showing cars sliding down hills running in the other cars and people because they are using all weather tires in most cases. (2) Rain tires, (not all weather tires) are specifically designed for areas with high rainfall, or heavy rain in general. The entire tread design is dedicated to channeling water away from the center of the tire, as best to prevent hydroplaning. (3) All terrain tires are intended to handle rock and sand where there is no pavement or smooth roads. Ideal for SUV drivers who travel in areas where traditional roads are not always available. (4) Mud tires incorporate an extreme deep tread design intended for extreme off road conditions. They also make for some of the best winter tires you can buy. However, not all mud tires offer good side to side traction in the snow. Mud tires are also noisy on paved roads, and gas milage is also lower. I have decades of experience in buying all of these tires, and putting them on my various vehicles for all kinds of various needs. You can heed my advice, or learn the hard way just like I did. Happy driving. Cheers.
Have you looked at the newer all weather tires vs all seasons? It’s sort of a new category although technically been around for 15+ years. All weathers have the snow flake symbol which designates as winter tires but not quite. But it’s a compromise; of course snow tires are still better but if you can scale it snow tires being a 10 in winter, an all weather tire could be a 7-8 depending on manufacturer. All seasons would be like 4-5. What you say as rain tires, not sure what part of the world you may be from but in Canada there is no specific category as rain tires. Again you might be referring to an all weather or all season tires; they are complete different categories.
@whiplash1825 I don't think he knows the difference between all season and all weather, real all weather tires don't turn into hockey pucks when it gets to 0 celcius the compound stays softer, the 3 peak mountain snowflake does not make a tire an All Weather tire
misleading title. should be called the Vancouver climate allseason recommended tire. but he does reiterate his specific geography in the video a few times.
Hey … I have Chinese tires ! I paid 200 for all 4 new tires … our first snow I didn’t like them as much I was ready to buy newer and better brand … but before I did that I start using water repellent (I’m trying them all out ) but right now we have a winter storm . … I used rain x alcohol based 5 mins before going out again ! And I must say I went from 6/10 to 9/10 ..😮 and my 🧠 brain is going crazy ! Because I wanna try ceramic next but that’s needs 24 hours to let it rest and dried … now I understand it could have gone the wrong way … and with cheap tires I was ready to buy new one (anyways right so) … it could have gone worst … my next step big step is trying 303 to keep the tire alive . … (people swear to double the life ! Like years later ) I learn from my peers … just tough maybe you should try them out ? Since tires are expensive and even make a all weather work like a winter tire (if new) 😊
I swap tires every season. I believe that the all weather tires are too soft for the hot summer time and will wear out fast, also, they are inferior to the winter tires. I buy winter ones at costco samsclub or other store that provides a free installation and free or cheap seasonal swap. Do not save money on your safety, people! Winter tires can save lives during the winter storm, the breaking distance difference is huge, see the real winter snow tests.
@@moeanthony9308I disagree on the wearing of All Weather tires. I’ve been running them on my trucks and YukonXL for many years and they do just fine on wear in the summer. The same as any NON triple peak/snow flake rated tire.
All weather tires r not similar to true winter tires. Better than all or three season tires but behind true winter tires in winter conditions, outside Vancouver. I like to see these at -20 to -30C.
the title is very misleading. All Weather tires are a compromise plain and simple. The best tires will always be ones that are specifically designed for the weather and conditions they will experience. In design, nothing is for free. A benefit in one area will result in a compromise in another aspect. So to have better snow traction than an all season tire, they wear out faster and have worse traction in the dry and might even be less economical (in general). I will always choose to buy 2 sets of specialized tires that will last me 7 years and provide me with the best safety and performance rather than 2 or more sets of all weather tires in the same period that will have compromised safety.
Snowflake symbol rating isn’t hard to achieve. It’s why all terrain tires that are terrible in ice have the rating as well as proper winter/ice studded tires. It’s like how some summer tires can achieve M+S rating. Tire industry ratings are very outdated.
What works for everything works for nothing. You said that they are something in between winter and summer tires. After a year of use, they will no longer be good for the next winter season.
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David, thank you for discussing the difference in all weather tires and all season tires. Looking forward to your next reports on your all weather tires at a later time. I agree with you and your wife on the choice of the WRG4 tires for the softer and safer ride.
I have been running the Michelin Cross Climate2s on my 2017 Highlander since May 2021. I have about 33000 kilometres (20;000 and a bit miles) on them and the tread depth is still just above 8/32s. They are quiet, comfortable and do really well in heavy rain and so far up to 6 inches of fresh snow. They do really well on hard compact snow and ice and as good as it gets on Black Ice. The fuel mileage is identical to the all seasons 5hat 5he vehicle came with. We haven’t ha$ much snow this winter but last year there was quite a bit and for weeks on end between mid October and late February. Sure AWD helps a bit but I used dedicated winter tires ( Michelin as well ) from late October to early / mid April before these went on. I’m pretty sure that short of doing 4 or 5 long road trips this Summer I will be able to get in next Winter as well. After these hit under 5/32s they will be replaced probably with a Cross Climate3 by that point. Other tire manufacturers are getting into the All Weather tire game and 5he more reputable ones will probably have similar qualities in their tires. The Cross Climate2s are constantly rated at the top in tire comparisons and even outperform some snow tires from other tire companies in many cases. This tire looks like it might be right up there as well.
Had the WRG4 tires for a few years now. When they were new, we drove up North and in and around Banff, Alberta in the midst of winter with no slippage at all. I’m very curious to see a video on a comparison between these tires and Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires.
I bought a Nokian allweather WGR4 for my wife's car (mostly driven in the city), and I have Nokian winter Hakkapelita on my car because I commute 150 km every day. The best tires I have ever had. Both!
Allweather are about 3 years old now with 35k km, used all year round, 2 winter trips to Fernie and Banff, still OK. Highly recommend this type of tires
We have the wr g3 in my sienna for around 4 years ~60k miles and ready for a set of wr g4. Works very well in the snow and also the Kevlar reinforced sidewall works very well resistant to potholes.
David, I cannot speak for rainy Vancoooooouver, British Columbia 🌧but here in Ontario, I will continue to use lower rolling resistance 'All Seasons' in spring, summer and fall. I will
stick with (pun intended) dedicated winter 🥶tires in winter. Please note, winter tires work best on cheap steel rims rather than expensive alloys. Finally, I have noted the use of the term
'3 Season' tires in some discussions, I wish it would become an official designation adopted by regulators and industry.
LRR tires save 0.01 mpg at the expense of your life. Put all weather tires or good all seasons on and call it a day.
Dedicated winter tires are much safer especially when it's a really cold winter with hard snow and ice. Also I'd rather a harder compound during summer like an all season tire especially on a RAV4 or other SUV that have more of a chance of roll over if your aggressively turn to avoid an accident. Sticky tires are best on performance cars plus they will wear faster. If you've ever been in an accident its an incredible amount of time and details plus insurance premiums going up if your at fault. I was rear ended recently and its not something I want to go through ever again even though I was not at fault. The all weather tire is a hard no for me.
@@jeffgendron1959 Agreed.
@@jeffgendron1959 Likewise… If there is anything I can do to my make my car safer (from a physical safety or liability POV) and proper snow tires fall into this - then I am all in. Furthermore, a good dash cam is also worth every penny; if it can prove your innocence in a single he said/she said collision situation or unwarranted traffic ticket, then it has paid for itself in spades. 👍🏻
@@kevinsargent6282 That's the way I see it, if a winter tire gives me even just a few more feet of stopping power it could be the difference in slippery conditions! Lucky for me I did have a dashcam when I was rear ended. It was not facing the rear but it still proved I was sitting still in my turning lane waiting for the light to change when I was rear ended proving zero fault. I've heard that you can be blamed for some percentage of an accident and you dont want that on your insurance as your rates will go up. With my new vehicle I've added even more. Dashcam front and rear and I'm booking it in for an alarm system and a separate aftermarket engine immobilizer. My insurance company offers a 10-15% discount if you have an aftermarket engine immobilizer. I'm getting one that has a pin code you need to enter before the car will start. Still wont stop determined thieves but it's a deterrent with car theft on the rise.
Interesting: When I was in Alaska, I owned two sets of tires: in summer, I rolled with Goodyear touring tires. In winter, I rolled with Blizzaks. Of course, I used my student aid money for the Blizzacks. Now, I'm a professional and moved out after earning my PhD to CA...
I purchased 4 of them 2 years ago in a 255 40 19 on a jaguar from the first day I had vibrations at speeds starting from 40 mph on up. I had the tires rebalanced three times and two road force balanced and realigned to no avail. With a total of 3200 miles I replaced them with Michelin with no issues. Mavis tires sold me the Nokian’s and after the first two days of driving I went back to them to complain. I was told to contact Nokian for replacement with no help from Nokian customer support. Never again.
It sounds like the tires never had the right speed rating for your vehicle....A lot of tire shops especially "not experienced' service advisor they only look up the size not load and speed rating that makes a difference.
My wife had the Nokian WRG4 last winter in Vancouver on her Encore GX during the November snowstorm where people were stuck for hours and the WRG4 did fine. I find a pure winter tire will do better than the all weather on ice but that's to be expected
You’re right. You have to set your expectation. I love the crossclimates I’ve been using for the past 4 yrs on most of my cars, but they’re no where as good as winter tires. W the CC they would struggle going up the hilly roads in my area while it was not a problem w winter tires. Luckily the winters have been more mild in the past a several yrs w minimal snow.
I just purchased Michelin CrossClimate 2's for my Forester and have been very pleased.
Can you do a comparison with all weather and all terrain? Both with severe winter rating?
Great info David, thank you for your video. I love your passion and enthusiasm for these cars, and value your opinion.
I’ve had Nokian winter tires for 20+ years. Incredible performance and even better longevity. Highly recommended.
Very surprised by this video. All-weather tires are indeed better than all season tires in winter, but they're not as good as real nordic winter tires. If you have get a lot of snow where you live, you should get real nordic winter tires like the Nokian Hakka R5.
Hi David,
I am a huge fan of tires… My whole life I’ve always drove Goodyear up until about 10 years ago then I started driving with Michelin … are use Michelin all season radial tires… I really like those tires that you have on your Toyota RAV4. I would definitely consider those tires. What is your opinion of the BFGoodrich KO2 tires?…. If you can expand a couple of your videos to two or three different types of tires, I find them very interesting. I think you fanbase will agree, because the most important thing on a vehicle when you’re driving is its tires in my opinion.🇯🇵❤️🤍🇨🇦 DAVID, you are the best from all the rest☮️👍
I switched from the OEM Cinturato P7 to Weatheractive and I noticed the softer ride also, but at the same time very precise cornering due to stiff walls, which I am quite pleased with. Well worth the extra cost just just for that. They're just as quiet, but there might be a bit of penalty in mileage. Haven't tried them in snow yet but I expect a big bump in performance also.
I live in Australia, what are winter tyres and snow , have seen neither😅?
I started with the first Goodyear all weathers (now different name) and have used Toyo Celsius, Nokian WGR4 (I got from Kal Tires too first year in Sep 2018), Michelin Crossclimate SUV, and Crossclimate2 as well. There are more in the market such as new Goodyear weather assurance and from Bridgestone and Hankook as well. If it works for your part of the world, all weathers are great!
Which did you like best?
@@jayscheck Goodyears were okay new and horrible near end of tread. Toyo I still have on an older vehicle, hasn’t been pushed but never felt unsafe; only drawback is lower gas mileage. WGR4 used for about 1.5 years handled snowy hill like a champ. I would get again. Crossclimates I just got early this year so haven’t pushed them yet. But I like the feel of them so far as they are smooth and feel sticky in the rain. Haven’t tried in snow yet so the final test still awaits but expecting similar results as WGR4. I just noticed Toyo Celsius 2 are out now. Wow lots of choices!
I have been thinking about the Crossclimate 2. Still running on the OEM Michelin that came on the 2022 Rav. The couple of times it snowed last winter I just used my husbands vehicle. Hard (for me) to replace tires that are new, lol.
David my co worker just bought a 2023 Rav4, just not a prime and he also bought a set of all weather tires from i believe Bridgestone and is waiting to see how they are going to perform here in Manitoba 👍
I had Nokian WRG4 on my compact car, after 3.5yrs and 30K Kms, all 4 tires had deep cracking and dry rotting near the sidewalls! Took to KT and warranty claim was honoured with 55% treadwear left based on 70K Km warranty. Replaced them all with new Nokian Remedy WRG5 that have 100K Km warranty. Hopefully they hold better than the WRG4s!
Had the WGR3 on the Tiguan and CR-V and did find these tires to be quite loud at higher speeds (120-140km). The have a howling type noise. Decided to try the Bridgestone weather peaks this time around.
I have CrossClimate and I live in Florida. Tread pattern almost make hydroplaning close to impossible!! And when I drive to Quebec during the winter, I swap out to dedicated Goodyear winter tires.
They are a comprise style of tire. Ok in every situation. My summers are good in the rain, fantastic in the dry, surprisingly wear well. In the winter season, I'll switch to snowies on my 2wd vehicle and the "all weathers" for my awd vehicle. "Ok" isn't good enough for me!
What’s your take on PPF and Ceramic coating on Toyota RAV4 XSE especially the lighter colors such as the Wind chill perl ? Do you have a PPF on your car / do you often Ceramic coat to protect OEM paint?
The Yokohama OEM tires that came on my Prime were not good! I replaced them with Michelin Cross Climate 2’s, and am extremely satisfied!
I found the WRG2 tires had better traction and handled better than the 3s, guessing they added a harder compound down the middle. The 3s felt like I was driving on rails, and the steering felt stiff, which totally made no sense? The big plus was in summer, great offroad traction, and no hydroplaning even with the tread mostly gone, plus you could run them most of the year if you had a 2nd set of winter tires. I use Nokian studded Hakkapeliitta 8s, only during the worst winter months, never more than 4, sometimes as short as 2. If you like your WRG4s I will give them a shot as my main tires, with the Hakka 8/9s as back ups.
Best tire for coastal folk.
Here in the interior, I use dedicated winter Nokian hakkapeliitta lt3 tires on the Tundra or the Sequoia. NOKIAN is best.
I have used G1s-G3s on the West Coast as well and they are great for this environment. Even on the Coquihalla where that famous tv show films, and gets all the wreckage, the tires have performed flawless. I have driven up and down that stretch numerous times on my current G3s in harsh winter conditions, and even while they are filming and pulling out wreckages, and I have never had a slip or skid, and I am usually that guy passing everyone. I hope you do try other All Weather types as well. My wife didn't like her G3s on her XL Denali, but when I bought her a new one and it came with Firestone all weather, she really liked them. Even my son noticed a huge difference.
Looking forward to those updates over the next year. How many miles on the R$ Prime when the WRG4's were installed? It will be interesting to see how well they wear. Thanks, David.
Had the same tires on my Ford Edge. Love them in Michigan winter. Much better then stock Michelin Latitude HP.
I have Cooper AT3 tires on my highlander they work well....I live outside Edmonton at the time when I bought these tiires originally I was renting a apartment in Calgary so there was no spaceto store winter tires..So I'd say all weather tires are a bare minimum in Canada.
Summer tires are the best for places that never see ice
why not consider cross climate 2's?
Price has a lot to do with it. I just ordered a set of 4 Nokian WR-G4's for a 2017 Kia Sorento AWD and they were well over $200 cheaper than the CrossClimate 2's.
Had the wrg4 on my 2004 civic for 3 yrs. For a little car. Tires did great. Have them on a pilot great traction in snow and wet. But eat up mpg on that vehicle. The xl is a stiffer tire
I would like to see a report about these type of tires for a 2023 Toyota Camry SE AWD.
For the highest quality tire reviews, comparable to these excellent reviews see Tyre reviews . His lates looks at Nokians winter choices along with WRG4’s . Tests in Finland. Btw. I’m trying the Cross climate2’s bought last spring . We’ll see how winter goes here in Ontario . I’ve never been let down by Michelin but must admit the WRG4’s perform . Not sure if they’re available for my GX though . Interesting review thanks .
Nokian WRG5 or Michelin Cross Climate 2? Which do you all have?
I have those tires on our Highlander, I agree that they have a soft smooth ride and maybe a little vague feedback but generally good feel. Last winter I had them on ice a few times and they were quite good!
Japaneese cars and Finnish tires, it's the best combo.
I disagree. Japanese cars with Japanese tires (=Bridgestone) are the best.😉
Are these roughly equivalent to a michelin cross climate 2? Or maybe one step back? They look very different and i am trying to understand the nuances
One step better for winter, one step back for summer basically
Let me explain to you who should get ALL-WEATHER tires vs WINTER tires: If you live in an area where the grass on your front lawn is covered by snow for more than half of the winter season, then you need pure winter tires. Otherwise, get All-Weather tires if you only get the occasional snow in your area.
Thank you so much for sharing your information. I will consider Nokian WR G4 for my next purchase of tires. I am not a fan of changing tires every 6 months here in Saskatoon. God Bless your channel.:)
Looking forward to your results. 13:44
With a softer compound, how has these affected your EV range on RAV4 Prime before and after?
My guess is that it would have an effect, but negligible. Something like the Prime would probably not be affected all that much.
At most I would guess losing like maybe 10miles off the meter
Hi David, I took off the OEM Yokohama tires replaced all weather tires. I found the tires are much quieter than the OEM! Also happy about the performance too.
If your currently driving around on all seasons every winter then All weathers are shown to test much better in winter then all seasons.
Dedicated winter tires test better in ice and snow
David,being softer in compound they will wear out much quicker.My wife’s Lexus is all wheel drive and all season tires are very adaquate and we live in Ontario where we get lots of snow.
Michelin Created The Best All Season Tire - Michelin CrossClimate® 2 All Weather Tire .
I’ll stick with my long lasting all season tires and continue to drive properly in the dang snow.
I love Nokian tires but the Hakkapelita R series…if I can spell that properly 😂…basically the Hakka R’s. I’ve had them on multiple vehicles and I’ve tried Blizzaks and and I think it’s the iPikes from Hankook and the Nokian’s are drastically better in my opinion. It’s been a while since I’ve tried some of the other brands like Michelin and Perelli, so maybe they have stepped up their game in the past few years.
Here’s what I’ve gathered.
All season: summer tire u can use in winter.
All weather: winter tire u can use in summer.
Nothing beats separate summer and winter sets though.
Winter tires with studs is best!
I have the nokian one all season tires and they are good in the snow. I'll take them over the all weather because they last much longer
So where is the winner review. I am tired of switching wheels too but i do live in snowy and icy part of NA.
I don't care if they're noisy or wear fast but i do want max grip possible on ice and rain
Winter review is coming next week - had to wait for the actual snow since it doesn't snow very often here
The softer the tires the quicker they wear out. That being said I would go for these tires because I live in Wyoming where it snows a lot in the winter. I would love not having to change between all season and winter tires. If these tires check out ok by our engineer friend I will definitely be looking to get a set for my 2022 AWD Highlander hybrid. FYI I always keep a set of Falken Wildpeak AT3 tires on my Tacoma. They also have the extreme weather symbol on the sidewall.
Wyoming kinda seems like a state where I’d want a dedicated winter tire for that season. I like all weather tires for climates where there is sparse snow or some icy conditions but if it’s consistent for more than a few weeks out of the year I feel a winter tire is beneficial unless that vehicle won’t be needed much.
I d like to know if in Canada it is offered the Good Year Vector All weather tire! After a new legislation hier in Germany where i live everyone has to switch on winter tires in winter. The only alternative in winter tires are these all weather which they also perform fantastic in the rain i m using them now for 2 years on my Rav4 and they re simply amazing. There is also a new kid in town now from Bridgestone weather control 005 which is almost so good on wet pavement as real summer tires. I think before someone could get these tires should also very well concider the performance of those on dry and wet pavement,
Yokohama has the Geolandar G061 all weather tire now with 3PMSF symbol. Especially for heavy SUV's this checks out well.
works fine at -40 OC?
Yes. It's designed for Finnish weather conditions (all seasons)
Yeah - tires are not so polarizing in my head now. Pure Summer is like a Pure Winter tire - it afford that little bit extra at the extreme (total dry and CLEAN road or the exact opposite for a pure winter - BUT your trade off is very well known if you drive a pure summer or winter tire, basically the transition seasons - where the all season beats the pure summer increasingly and the pure winter increasingly as snow turns to water and heat right. Those season are exactly where the ALL WEATHER stretches that utility toward those extremes - but you effectively gain so much utility if you were to look a the trade off of a pure snow or pure summer - I tell you those are increasingly specialized purpose tires in the domestic arena as all weather makes those extremes of very rare use - literally with the transition seasons being more enormous with global warming in Canada, the small gain comes at a far greater trade off to my thinking as you cannot flip them back and forth in those transition seasons. I just know this - my factory all season were to me very close to a summer bias - and I did not like them in the winter - but also spring and fall they were terrible too - anything less than a dry, perfect surface I felt they were compromised. The Bridgestone All-Weather I got - it worried me on how much I was going miss the summer - BUT they were a huge improvement in the pot hole and dirty spring and the slush, leafy blustery Fall - summer MAYBE I loose a bit of MPG but summer is so short it is like 2-3 weeks of that heat (and clean painted roads) before we get right back to the cooler evenings and lower highs again - and you know the first slush the roads are back to not being in that perfect summer tire shape anymore and you start living the compromised "pure summer tire" experience.
I have read Toyo are the best quality rubber and QC. I have had good experience with them on cars. Now I don't live in Canada but in NYC.
Had the WRG3’s they wore out quickly. Maybe these are better.
I've been using studded Hakkas every Winter here in Alberta. I'm happy. I'm more worried about other drivers. Lots of idiots out there.
toyo has highly rated all weather tires.michelin cross climate 2 are suspose to very good to
Does your cousin still have the century?
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Rarely disagree with you , crossclimate 2 for all season , basically a winter tire that can handle summer heat
In Finland, only nordic winter tires are good enough.
Cross Climate2 are way superior and an awesome tread warranty.
This is very misleading. It’s for good reason why we have winter tires, mud tires, rain tires, all terrain tires, verses all weather tires.
(1) Winter tires, (not snow tires) offer a tremendous amount of grip where roads remain snow covered. Unlike all weather tires where the tire tread easily clogs up from ice and snow causing loss of traction and control, the tire tread on winter tires does not easily clog up, which causes a serious loss of both traction and stopping power. Another highly serious drawback using all weather tires on snow packed roads is the side to side play that will make steering tricky. Whereas dedicated winter tires allow for far better steering, especially while trying to stop, and prevent downhill sliding. All weather tires will cause you to slide down snowy hills in the winter. Let that sink in. There are literally tens of thousands of videos showing cars sliding down hills running in the other cars and people because they are using all weather tires in most cases.
(2) Rain tires, (not all weather tires) are specifically designed for areas with high rainfall, or heavy rain in general. The entire tread design is dedicated to channeling water away from the center of the tire, as best to prevent hydroplaning.
(3) All terrain tires are intended to handle rock and sand where there is no pavement or smooth roads. Ideal for SUV drivers who travel in areas where traditional roads are not always available.
(4) Mud tires incorporate an extreme deep tread design intended for extreme off road conditions. They also make for some of the best winter tires you can buy. However, not all mud tires offer good side to side traction in the snow. Mud tires are also noisy on paved roads, and gas milage is also lower.
I have decades of experience in buying all of these tires, and putting them on my various vehicles for all kinds of various needs. You can heed my advice, or learn the hard way just like I did.
Happy driving. Cheers.
Have you looked at the newer all weather tires vs all seasons? It’s sort of a new category although technically been around for 15+ years. All weathers have the snow flake symbol which designates as winter tires but not quite. But it’s a compromise; of course snow tires are still better but if you can scale it snow tires being a 10 in winter, an all weather tire could be a 7-8 depending on manufacturer. All seasons would be like 4-5.
What you say as rain tires, not sure what part of the world you may be from but in Canada there is no specific category as rain tires. Again you might be referring to an all weather or all season tires; they are complete different categories.
@whiplash1825 I don't think he knows the difference between all season and all weather, real all weather tires don't turn into hockey pucks when it gets to 0 celcius the compound stays softer, the 3 peak mountain snowflake does not make a tire an All Weather tire
misleading title. should be called the Vancouver climate allseason recommended tire. but he does reiterate his specific geography in the video a few times.
Hey … I have Chinese tires ! I paid 200 for all 4 new tires … our first snow I didn’t like them as much I was ready to buy newer and better brand … but before I did that I start using water repellent (I’m trying them all out ) but right now we have a winter storm . … I used rain x alcohol based 5 mins before going out again ! And I must say I went from 6/10 to 9/10 ..😮 and my 🧠 brain is going crazy ! Because I wanna try ceramic next but that’s needs 24 hours to let it rest and dried … now I understand it could have gone the wrong way … and with cheap tires I was ready to buy new one (anyways right so) … it could have gone worst … my next step big step is trying 303 to keep the tire alive . … (people swear to double the life ! Like years later ) I learn from my peers … just tough maybe you should try them out ? Since tires are expensive and even make a all weather work like a winter tire (if new) 😊
My oldest tire is like 9 years old
time for a change. They recommend max 6 years no matter condition of tire.
My 8yr old tires worked ok, but they were hockey pucks in dry summer conditions 😂
I swap tires every season. I believe that the all weather tires are too soft for the hot summer time and will wear out fast, also, they are inferior to the winter tires. I buy winter ones at costco samsclub or other store that provides a free installation and free or cheap seasonal swap. Do not save money on your safety, people! Winter tires can save lives during the winter storm, the breaking distance difference is huge, see the real winter snow tests.
Excellent point and true. All weather do wear much quicker.
@@moeanthony9308I disagree on the wearing of All Weather tires. I’ve been running them on my trucks and YukonXL for many years and they do just fine on wear in the summer. The same as any NON triple peak/snow flake rated tire.
@@TOMuirhead maybe for you
Cross climate 2 from Michelin all weather
All weather tires r not similar to true winter tires. Better than all or three season tires but behind true winter tires in winter conditions, outside Vancouver. I like to see these at -20 to -30C.
the title is very misleading. All Weather tires are a compromise plain and simple. The best tires will always be ones that are specifically designed for the weather and conditions they will experience. In design, nothing is for free. A benefit in one area will result in a compromise in another aspect. So to have better snow traction than an all season tire, they wear out faster and have worse traction in the dry and might even be less economical (in general). I will always choose to buy 2 sets of specialized tires that will last me 7 years and provide me with the best safety and performance rather than 2 or more sets of all weather tires in the same period that will have compromised safety.
Snowflake symbol rating isn’t hard to achieve. It’s why all terrain tires that are terrible in ice have the rating as well as proper winter/ice studded tires.
It’s like how some summer tires can achieve M+S rating. Tire industry ratings are very outdated.
What works for everything works for nothing. You said that they are something in between winter and summer tires. After a year of use, they will no longer be good for the next winter season.
After 20K on all weather tires, they have LOST their grip in any condition. SERIOUSLY DIAPPOINTED
Jackie Chan!!!