Quick tip nobody asked for: If you're booting linux and it's stuck on the logo, you normally can press ESC to see the terminal output to see at what step it stopped booting up. That way you can diagnose what's wrong with it. It's hilarious to me how linus manages to break linux without doing anything, although I have high suspicions that Eurorra fked with this. No way does a handcrafted, 80+ quality assurance steps laptop for $5000 have such blatant issues. The fact that Ubuntu errors basically from the boot up makes me strongly believe so. I believe the "custom" ubuntu simply means "we fked with things" ubuntu. It's hilarious though and seeing linus lose his mind over linux and breaks it whenever he touches it (or not heh) is just great.
@@GundamGokuTV They went as far making that horrible sticker because they thought it would be funny, fucking ubuntu up just to mess with linux is far easier than that considering linus' history with linux lmao
Can we get a "is it faster to uninstall Linux, install Windows, download Steam, download a game and play it, or have Anthony fix Linux on this" follow-up video? Maybe call it Anthony vs Windows?
@@SeventhEntropy Linux is perfectly fine, depends on your use case. If you want to play certain games or use windows-only software then sure... Linux wouldn't be a good choice.
@@RyTrapp0 It's apparantly a side-gig for the company, so they're not a dedicated Si from what it sounds like... maybe? So I can see the problems, cooling a full desktop cpu, that can pull 180w, even though that cooling is fairly beefy.... it' still a desktop 12700 (and if intel is anything like it has been, they are raging infernos, so amd would be 100x better here imo) and a 3070 TI (mobile)
10:43 "A portion of the proceeds of each sale go to the artisan who worked on the shell." Translation from Hipster Speak: "We pay the person who worked to make the shell." Glad to hear they pay their workers! Otherwise I would have thought they worked for free!
Huge difference between paying your workers a flat salary and giving them a commission for the actual value they add. This is basically stating that they engage in profit sharing.
@@charlesbrown4483 You're missing the point entirely. What I was saying is that paying the workers on a commision basis could either be a positive or a negative thing, it just depends on how much they're being paid and what the other modalities are. What I was alluding to is the shitty "gig economy" jobs like deliveroo/uber eats/whatever driver positions. Those are paid on a commission basis, but it's a really really shitty commission and the contracts are structured so that they have almost all the disadvantages of being a contractor and the disadvantages of being an employee, but none of the perks of either.
I imagine Anthony setting up a Linux machine. He finishes. It runs perfectly. It games well. It handles productivity well. It's perfectly stable. Linus walks in the room. It immediately crashes.
I honestly think they screwed the install just to mess with him. Installing drivers are extremely simple. Just search "additional drivers" and then select your preferred Nvidia driver version and click apply. Extremely simple and fast. Although Nvidia drivers actually need a reboot to apply correctly unlike system updates for some reason.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 Does it not just need a logout? I don't remember any more. That being said, that doesn't make much difference with modern boot times...
@@loicvanderwielen A logout does not restart the display server ( or root innt or root configurations ). You need to restart the system for NVIDIA drivers to apply updates. However a logout/back in will update user programs, browser for example. General rule of Linux, restart after updates or making system configuration changes.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 i bricked my linux mint 21 install by installing nvidia drivers like how you mentioned lololol somethings up with the latest nvidia driver for linux.
I mean I was seriously laughing out loud at the effort and quality on the face stuck to the front. The commitment is just so hilarious and commendable. It's just such a solid meme that makes me laugh every single time. 🤣
Trivia fact : linus has already reviewed the same chassis 2 years ago, with an origin laptop who had a ryzen 9 3900 desktop in it. Having it, I can confirm:that's absolutely the same clevo chassis and even cooling system. 😎
The keyboard corrector was quite right, it's more a cooking system than a cooling one. 😆 Just kidding, actually it was pretty decent, especially comparing to my 2019 Acer Predator.
Yeah... But As Linus said some months ago: "There's only one Anthony and there doesn't seem to exist enough audience interested in linux only. There are channels that would do this much better than we can with Anthony."
@@brunoais I mean we don't need a separate channel like mac address, maybe a series revisiting linux again like their previous linux videos on LTT would be nice
As a Linux user, I felt this. I've been in a bunch of usability arguments as of late, and god, was it just painful how stubborn some people can be when you point out small issues that really should be polished and made easier for newcomers.
Linux experts are the worst. They just can't understand why someone doesn't want to live in terminal and have to keep a spreadsheet with hundreds of linux commands just to play games and type on their computer. Honestly, those people are the reason Linux has never went mainstream.
@Clay Gomera you are exactly the type of person that makes everyone hate linux and are a detriment to it's wider acceptence. The line: "But you have to keep in mind that using the terminal in Linux is NOT necessary in any way. Almost everything that you can do in a terminal, is possible in a GUI in some way." is COMPLETE horse s&*t and anyone that has used linux for more than 2 minutes on a new install knows it.
@Clay Gomera I'm a well experience Linux user myself. For casual everyday tasks i agree, the terminal is not needed whatsoever. But when it comes to gaming or getting something professionally up, running, and done, the terminal may end up become a necessity out of various consequences and points of failure. And to an end-user who does not have the care and/or time to figure that out when things can just work on Windows or Mac, there is a clear solution: use Windows or Mac, especially when time is money for major companies to the self-employed. That is why Linux has not (yet) become mainstream, although major improvements are being made everywhere to get to that point one day, and I feel that day is coming soon.
@Clay Gomera yeah maybe becoming mainstream is a stretch but i do feel its becoming easier to use every day without the need for terminal use or configuring files, despite fragmentation. Many distro devs are working super hard to tightly integrate everything while keeping it cross compatible and modular. Also true on the gaming part, its relatively easy to install and run games but thats assuming everything else like drivers are set up and youre not unlucky. I have a Steam Deck and there’s honestly no issues getting non-steam games added and running with Heroic and Lutris (i just wish Amazon games had a launcher.)The distro you pick can heavily determine your quality of life too but sometimes you wont know which one that is until you’ve hopped several times.
Makes me wonder about bulk orders. Each individual laptop would be expensive if it has its own mold. But, re-use should cut the price down significantly.
@@Ebalosus I mean it was probably both. Linux can be a royal pain in the ass to deal with, much more than Windows, and the pairing with Nvidia hardware really didn't help in this case. ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
My secondhand Thinkpad T480 has those "old-school" features and runs Debian just fine? Haven't even had driver problems with the discrete GPU, though a Geforce MX150 is a bit subpar for gaming these days ;-)
Feh. The Pop!OS footgun was legit bad luck, but putting a stock install of Ubuntu on a bespoke laptop with an Nvidia GPU is literally setting him up to fail--considering I can't even get display sleep to work on one of my desktops with an AMD APU, I *can't even imagine* the level of tweaking required to optimize a desktop 12700 to work in a laptop configuration.
@@666Tomato666 Yeah, nvidia + Linux is not the best choice. Even worse, nvidia + Ubuntu specifically is just the recipe for disaster. Pop OS or some Arch based distro would be a lot better in the drivers department. Or just using an AMD GPU, that would be a looooot smoother honestly.
Run Arc graphics and Manjaro Gnome for cutting edge hardware. If you have something 2-3years old, Ubuntu LTS should be fine. Never ever run current gen Nvidia graphics on Linux, unless it's a server. Steam Deck's OS is good for AMD graphics.
Shipping it with Ubuntu 21.10 is a big mistake. Giving them Linux is one thing, not shipping it with LTS version is inexcusable. Should have at least given them 20.04. With the whole new transition to Wayland, it’s very tricky on 21.10 even for seasoned Linux users picking it up for the first time. Although this also sounds more like Colton’s fault, so fire him
@@Thanatos2996 Please stop using/recommending Debian based distros. Please start using Fedora if you are not a power user. There's literally no reason for you to torture yourself using anything Debian-related, so PLEASE don't.
5:56 - "unusual in the electronics industry" - literally legally required in most of Europe. The EU has 2 years minimum but many countries go further than that.
There’s still a major difference between the manufacturer‘s warranty and the EU statutory warranty. The latter only covers existing issues when the device was sold and can be hard to enforce, while the manufacturer‘s warranty pretty much covers anything at goodwill. So having a long warranty from the manufacturer and not just the statutory EU warranty is a very good thing. The EU warranty can be useless in many cases and a pain to deal with after a year.
@@CorvusCorax12d It's 2 years minimum per EU law (except for screens) and most manufacturers start with a 3 year factory warranty. Even my Clevo NH55JNNQ came with a 3 year warranty as well.
So much of this laptop is great, upgradeability, storage expansion, cooling, trackpad with individual buttons etc. Shame that the only option to purchase it is probably 2k more expensive than it could be because of the custom lid. EDIT: just found the other comment that reveals its about 2.5k more than the original version of the product for the custom lid. That's one hard pill to swallow.
@@fotnite_ I mean its community made. How long is the lifespan on plasmoids in KDE? I tried one or two and they are imho quite comparable in stability. Someone has a good idea maintains it 2-3 years and then probably moves on. Just recently the maintainer of LatteDock announced that he cannot maintain it longer due to personal reasons. Since this was one of the more popular extensions for KDE I think the chance is high that someone or a group will continue it. For all that reason I stick on KDE to that what the distro or upstream delivers. Except GNOME which requires some adjustments to the activity bar...
A big Thank you from all at Eurorra, our business partners and artists. Special thank to Colton for his pick of art eventually. If you dont mind we will give details as you probably missed some as they wore in details.
Refarding the case it's custom made as we ll as the carbon fiber, we do molds and tools based on the design a person sends us. The opening music is part of the requirement a user gives us if required and by that thy also support the artist as we give a donation to each purchase to artists (musicians and designers).
Linux was chosen as the time we requested a feedback from you guys you didnt specify it so we made custom Linux, also the CPU is destop CPu so it's easely to be replaced by user, as for the battery it's additional as users can easely replace it. Software on it as actually bloatware but as mentioned in description we support those companies so that's why we installed them as well as this might be the case the cooling is lauder at start.
As for the updates we mentioned as we send the unit back in April you do need to update it to 22.04. Sorry for the beafy specifications they wore detailed.
Nvidia drivers and linux, surely a combination that will go well. Also once the driver is installed, nvidia adds a tool (i forget the name) that can monitor temps and clocks. I forget if psensor picked it up, but if i remember right it did.
If I remember right you basically just press your winkey and type "nvidia" and basically the first entry popping up gives you the nvidia-settings where the gpu temp is... I don't know why but it feels like Linus is just leaning on the meme of him sucking at Linux and trying to move his tech channel to a bunch of meme vids... Yes Linux ain't userfrienly... we established that with the last Linux challenge but him still struggling this hard is kinda cringe...
nvidia-xserver-settings. Required root permissions to run because it literally rewrote your Xorg.conf with wanton disregard for any other modifications you needed. I still have nightmares remembering the hours I spent fighting with that tool (ca 2012). And I wasn't even trying to run games, just hook up a second HDMI display! If memory serves, my eventual solution was literally just to buy a DVI adapter so I could run everything through integrated graphics.
@@gRocketOne The problem is that Nvidia has significantly better OpenGL performance than Team Red, even / especially under Linux. Back in the day, the other reason to try to get Nvidia to play nice with the penguin was that Nvidia was the only game in town when it came to GPGPU computation. I guess that's no longer true, as I've read that miners preferred Radeon cards, but CUDA is still way more widely adopted for scientific computing than OpenCL.
While I love Linux, Linux definitely has a ton of issues for the average consumer. NVidia support is lacking in most cases as they just provide the bare minimum to get a display output unless you are running a business grade GPU, and configuration can be a pain unless you want to learn how to use the terminal. Personally I enjoy how Linux works, but I can definitely see how it doesn't work for people that just want to be able to download any game and go
thing is, the issues with nvidia are created by nvidia. Which is a shame, because outside gaming, nvidia drivers for CUDA, AI etc are way better than on Windows
@TonyGamer: That's a nVidia problem, not a Linux problem. (And to be even-more-specific than that, it's a nVidia-corporation_&_nVidia-graphics--drivers problem, not a problem-with-the-Linux-kernel). For more information about what’s going on, please see this video here: th-cam.com/video/IVpOyKCNZYw/w-d-xo.html Current/Modern-Day AMD-Radeon graphics-cards or 1990s nVidia-GeForce graphics-cards both work-well in Linux.
@@reoencarcelado5904 I am acutely aware of the issues NVidia has with Linux. That is what I was trying to convey in my comment is that NVidia does not provide much support for Linux, just the bare minimum to have a (mostly) functional desktop experience. I didn't realize how bad the issue really was though until I tried to use VR on Linux, and it just crashes every single time it tries to render a frame. Had I realized just how bad the issues with NVidia on Linux can be, I would have gone AMD despite the fact I would have been downgrading my card, or paying more at the time I bought my computer. I will say that NVidia open sourcing the kernel side drivers is a nice step in the right direction, but in comparison to what AMD does for Linux, it isn't much
on the plus side, Eurethra brand can now use the "Might be the worst thing I have ever seen." - LTT / ShortCircuit as a promotional slogan in their marketing efforts.
@@henryatkinson1479 totally agree for that price you could get a decent desktop and a decent laptop with custom sticker or skin (if the customization is important).
@@henryatkinson1479 Carbon fiber is extremely expensive, so no, I wouldn't necessarily say that it needs to offer more at that price, but the carbon fiber design would probably be in higher demand when combined with a more premium laptop than the clevo they used.
@@leonro Carbon fiber is NOT that expensive, especially the pretty small quantity used in these. You can buy 6' rolls of carbon fiber cloth on Amazon for like thirty bucks (which means there's a markup that a manufacturer should be able to get around by sourcing it directly) It's annoying to work with, so bumps the expense up a bit, but still not by nearly that much.
@@Gatorade69 going to... every experience I've had with nvidia driver has been a subpar experience, usually ends just like Linus here, where it won't boot into a UI anymore. I'ts not bricked, you just have to get back to the console and uninstall the nvidia driver and reinstall the opensource ones, then figure out what driver version actually works. Then give up and just get an AMD system.
@@edwardecl let's me guess did you try to install them from Nvidia site? Ubuntu, Fedora, arch all have official packages you can install via package manager via gui or command line
@@minarchisttrucker2775 just because you _can_ doesn't mean you _should_ You can drive wood screws with a hammer, but you'll have pretty bad time with it...
As a Linux user, I will attest it’s still got a ways to go in usability on consumer systems (laptops are generally worse because OEMs do some janky things with unnecessarily-specialized hardware and drivers). Nvidia is also usually garbage because they just don’t care about Linux. Linux has a significantly better, more flexible architecture, and could be WAY better than windows if given the same treatment from manufacturers, but nobody develops for it. I will say though, I’m excited for the steam deck, because it’s showing people what Linux *can* be like, using proton to force windows games to run on it, and I’m hopeful that it will catch the eyes of manufacturers, because if people actually wrote proper, first-class drivers and software for their stuff on Linux, it would be significantly less annoying. It’s okay to say Linux for consumer use is a sub-par experience in terms of ease of use, but thank you for also saying Windows is bad, too, because it is. It’s just bad in a way that people are already used to, so the common knowledge of workarounds and hacks makes it generally easier to work with, even though it has worse reliability (if you choose the right distro and set it up the right way, Linux is *far* more reliable. I’ve had a server running at my old company since I left almost a year ago, and they still use it with nobody maintaining it)
@ICEGalaxy7 Well, unfortunately that's to be expected on most name-brand laptops. They usually use weird custom in-house things that they refuse to write drivers for on anything other than Windows. Although, were you referring to initial setup or ongoing usage (installing software, etc)? I don't understand how hacked Mac OS would have been an easier install though; that almost sounds like you're just trolling me, because that has even less support (both quantity and quality) than Linux does, considering it's illegal, and you need all these custom hacked bootloaders and random kext files scattered across the internet written by some guy in his basement who didn't want to release the source code to give you any guarantee he's not stealing your personal information. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty cool, and once you get it working, as long as you don't need updates, it's probably pretty user-friendly because unless an app is really trying to find a hacked copy of Mac OS, it should just work like it does on any other Mac. The setup though is a nightmare unless you use fairly sketchy software that usually could easily get you litigated and fined. Have you looked at Deepin? I haven't personally used the OS, but I tried their desktop environment for a while on an Arch install (I tried barebones Arch for a little bit as a challenge) and it was pretty user-friendly. It wasn't the most featureful or customizable, but it felt pretty familiar as someone who primarily uses a MacBook.
It takes a few days to mold and create a 8k euro carbon bike frame that requires much more engineering. I think the 'handcrafted' carbon fiber laptop might be over-exaggerated
You do know, a factory and a small business operate on different scales? They probably have a cost of 1k and mark it at 8k and produce 500+ per day. Then engineering/pre-work cost on those moulds etc... is maybe a debit on 4k.
Actually no. Cycles are easy. We manufacture airplanes and Satelites. Laptops are for our plasure. The issue is that on a bicycle you have a distance betweene one joint to another and the material is easier to deal with. In a laptop design it depends on the user design and this means the extrrusion is not simple to deal with. This means much more hours working on the mold and hand putting the carbon fibr inside so itdoesnt generate air pockets or puts material on one side too thick on the other too thin.
Except it wasn't a troll, Colton chose the art and they said Ubuntu was used because of community feedback but since they didn't know what distro to use they "made their own" but just mucked it up.
@@fantasypvp they left a series of comments on this video and one of them clarified why Linux was used. They explain they listened to community feedback that wanted it to ship with Linux so they "built their own" Linux build stating the community didn't mention what type of Linux they wanted. This company is rebranding Clevo laptops for more than double the cost so I wouldn't assume they know much about Linux, especially since their choice to use Linux was supposedly, in their own words, was do to a poll or feedback.
It blows me away how much of a hard time Linus has with linux. I can't tell how much of it is my own blindness to issues in linux because I've just gotten used to the jankiness, how much is Linux actually being a mess, and how much is just bad luck. I feel genuinely bad for him, this looked excruciating to troubleshoot on camera lmao.
I've experienced a fair bit of jankiness on linux, but most of that was years ago. I almost can't believe how much trouble he is having, he really must be cursed by a penguin.
I started using Linux back in September last year, and Linus has experienced more issues in the 3 days I've seen him use it than I've had since I started using it. It's honestly impressive just how clueless he seems to be (based entirely on his result of breaking everything all the time) he is given how tech savvy he is.
I've been a Linux main for 3 years now. Much like every platform, Linux has a steep learning curve before you can feel comfy in it. It's very easy to follow some random guide online and just wreck your system OR use some outdated/inapplicable config that does nothing but waste you time.
Garuda linux + amd gpu and boom done. No need to install all the gaming stuff it's done already, and Arch has the largest repos in the game, so no messing around with flatpak or snaps or any of that garbage.
First reboot: For the system upgrade(which was optional since you don't need to run the latest kernel software for a game) Last reboot: was porbably to update the xorg config to force it to use Nvidia instead of primus In the defence of Linus: The fact they chose Nvidia for a Linux Machine is borderline stupid, Nvidia has the worst support for the Linux OS. Most of the things happening(Besides the shitty implementation of ubuntu on the machine) were partially user errors, Linus is phenomenal for hardware and windows reviews, but i think they should have let Anthony done the software part of this video.
I can't agree more. Sitting here on my all-AMD Lenovo Legion with KUbuntu which has been very near perfect. The only slight issue was the HDMI port when both GPUs were enabled, but a quick trip to the BIOS to disable the onboard GPU and it's been smooth sailing. (I would expect a decent manufacturer to do a tweak like that in advance of sending a laptop out for review.) Games run great, they don't lag or tear, temperatures are kept well under control and are easily monitored with KDE's System Monitor, and overall specs are quickly viewed with Info Center. Also, KDE has spent a lot of time polishing the user experience. Whatever configuration of Ubuntu that was is just terrible.
@9:18 Love how Linus starts whispering when the laptop cooling is free and in his hands. Those things are fragile - wouldn't want to scare it too badly
This was doomed the moment they shipped an Nvidia laptop with Ubuntu on it (seemingly without even installing the proprietary drivers). Might have been better if they at least used the Nvidia version of Pop OS. Tho I personally don't use Linux on Nvidia machines anymore, too much hassle
Yeah like there's a big difference between - shipping it as Linux laptop and specifying Anthony should review it as the Linux master of the channel. - and sending it improperly setup and letting Linus the Linux Jinx review it. Instead of sending it with Windows How are we supposed to actually know if it is worth the money when the hardware is so severely hampered by their terrible install that CS:GO at like 100fps is still tearing worse then gas station toilet paper. My impression after this is that it's a terrible laptop with a fancy exterior from a company that doesn't give 2 shits about how their product preforms in a customers hands. Leave the trolling Linus shenanigans to Dbrand. At least when they do it it's actually funny and not cringe and disappointing
I think Ubuntu uses Wayland by default and Nvidia support in Wayland sucks ass (and if it is Optimus it's even more shitty). Can't blame Linus, but he's definitely cursed with Linux lmao
@@El_Batipapa 100 percent, cursed. I've always had fairly good luck with linux, but my best friend....gets fucked so hard by the fickle linux gods. I don't ever have issues like linus tho, that dude breaks the distro just by looking at it.
i laughed so hard when linus was talking about the restarting because a couple of times you could hear him almost crying like a little kid would when hes worried and trying to explain something
@@JanPeterDeVries well it really isn't, but its such a pain to go through everything that happens when you reboot. I know how to do stuff like this and not reboot, but I still reboot because its so much easier.
@@camera1946 yeah especially with the speed of computers nowadays, why wast time figuring out which services to restart when you can restart them all in 60 seconds
Just to clarify. what happend at 10:40 is a pretty normal behaviour. Ubuntu starts up into the overview (Kinda llike the windows search thingy). In that instance it seems as if obs and steam were configured to run at startup and so that happend. You can turn it off
I'm always amazed at how screwed over by linux Linus gets, for me I used ubuntu for a month and didn't like it, and then switched to pop and I have not had an issue since
loved pop until the time it nuked itself. now i cant look at it without a bit of caution. to be fair, i made the same mistake linus did back then. so i also read with more caution ^^
Why would you want a computer that costs this much, has great components, but can only run CS:GO at 100fps? I mean ffs why is anyone defending linux here? How much tinkering and insider knowledge do you have to do just to run a game?
@@kevinwells9751 Whoa whoa whoa there buddy... This is my the linux laptop of my dreams cos it has a wide faced linus on it. I dont play CS:GO (or other games), and could promptly fix Linus' linux issues simply by taking the laptop off him and doing whatever I want with it. People use and like laptops and linux (not necessarily one or the other being exclusive with either). What matters to linux using folks like me more is not whether CS:GO can run on it, but I could nuke the system and do something entirely different with it.
@@kevinwells9751 The problem was that they shipped this laptop without proper nvidia drivers. And even then, nvidia never works properly on Linux, especially on Ubuntu. I would definitely run a different distro it it was my laptop, but I would also choose a Radeon version if that's a choice because these have a history of working well with Linux because AMD actually cares about developing linux drivers. Nvidia is to blame for screwing up. If they made their drivers open source they wouldn't even need to work on them, the community would just fork these drivers and improve them. TL;DR if you want to have the best possible Linux experience, it's best to go with Team Red, bith in the CPU and the GPU. These have excellent support on Linux.
they just wanted to torture you in the most spectacular way by shipping you a laptop with linux given your sad track record with penguins AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY they shipped it with intel and a nvidia card... KNOWN TO HAVE THE WORST DRIVERS.... man this people is even more mean to you than dbrand lmfao
This video sums up my whole experience with Linux over the years. Every single time I gave it a chance, from Mandrake to Linux Mint, my experience has been like: "Oh why the fu** this happened?", "What? Why did this break by itself?", "Yesterday it worked, WHY IT ISN'T NOW??", then proceeded to search for solutions on Google, ended up in some forums where people suggested to enter some lines in the terminal that solved nothing, spent tons of time trying to fix things that I never broke to begin with, and finally giving up and returning to Windows. Maybe I'm cursed like Linus, or maybe Linux doesn't like me... but for sure I'll give it a shot again in the future.
The editors aren't doing Linus a favour... Linus: "I did nothing!" Me: "YOU JUST HAD THE LAPTOP IN SEVERAL PIECES, possibly while still powered on, AND RIPPED THE COOLING SOLUTION OUT OF IT!" Also, on the subject of "Linux doesn't require reboots".. Through various stages of my life I had at least 1 or 2 people who had, at least *some* experience with Linux. But it wasn't until I got online that I heard the phrase. Seeing how the phrase is (and for me) came from English speakers, that basically means.. North America. I'm not saying that's the origin of this problem, but you do have a lot more safety labels..... Seriously though, how many other people didn't hear this Linux 'feature' until they got to the English speaking online part of their lives? Because, yeah I believe it's possible to never reboot. It just involves the loading and unloading of modules, manually tracking hundreds of processes, changing files (or not) etc. etc. etc. Really; a reboot is much quicker and safer.
From what I could gather when I first started to use a laptop with nvidia optimus support, the only "decent" implementations come from PopOS and Arch Linux, so yeah they def trolled Linus by shipping it with ubuntu without the nvidia kernel modules and without primerun, which is one of the many reasons why Ubuntu sucks
This. I'm a seasoned Unix admin. I started with yellow dog on an iBook clamshell. It's my job since decades, I hack Chinese mips handhelds for fun and boot custom bootloaders on them while monitoring it on uart. I run debian unstable on all my x64 devices. But for THE LOVE OF GOD if I EVER have to deal with a dual gpu with Nvidia discrete laptop ever again, it's straight Pop OS 0 question asked.
@@pranze3484 Exactly my point, you either spend a lot of time trying to replicate what the Arch wiky says, on Arch, or you go to PopOS, I tried something like 5 or 6 distros and the only ones that had proper support for multiple GPU's on laptop are Arch and Pop, and not everyone has the patience to spend a month either working from a tty or dual booting 2 linux Os from the same PC, I did the latter because I was able to mount my arch install on PopOS and then configure what I had to from a GUI and then a simple reboot to test if everything was working fine, however I was doing this with NVME ssd's which made the entire process a little faster, however it was a really good learning experience that I doubt I'll ever need again 😅
I can't stand using Nvidia on Linux. I recently tried getting an optimus laptop working for the first time in 10 years and the experience hasn't improved a bit. Never again.
@@weab True. Sadly, I've tried many tricks to make nvidia gtx 1650 power off when not in use, but no luck. So I've not been using it in my Arch (Power drain). I've heard rtx 30** laptops has some features that makes it have good support in Linux.
Linus, it’s important that you disclose your investment in Framework every time that you discuss a laptop. Most of your community knows but it’s still necessary to include
He has generally done that in other reviews, but he should have here. To be fair he did praise them for their reparability, upgradeability, and warranties that go a long way towards reducing e-waste
At first I was a little skeptical about the 250 hours of work for the carbon fiber work. Then I thought well the whole chassis could represent some issues when you're doing custom work and not mass production. Then I realize 250 hours for the screen lip only.... alright. Probably way too many hands in the line of process for it to amass to 250 hours.... I could see 40 hours to get the molding right for the lip and then another 20-30 for making sure the finish product is nice and smooth. But 250 for just a computer screen lid is insane.
So much this. The only thing I can think is the "up to" part is including letting resin set and cure and some like super one off like this one which would take some custom molding and design work but like, sounds like an exaggeration to justify the price when its seemingly the only thing they're really adding to the laptops they source from Clevo. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand and support the "lets make a carbon fiber laptop lid because it looks siiiiick" and totally get sourcing them from a company like Clevo makes tons of sense if you just want to mod them and sell them, I just dislike the seemingly big exaggerations like 250 hours and the "we dont think people want mass produced laptops" while selling people a laptop that is, aside from a custom lid, seemingly mass produced.
It's such a blatant lie. The month of 8 hour work days 5 days a week is only 160 hours. 250 hours of even 25$ per hour is over 6k dollarinos just in labor costs, while laptop costs 5k. If your marketing claims can be disproven with grade school math, you really have to reconsider imo
So its a Clevo laptop that has a "handmade" carbon fiber lid made by """artisans""" (AKA: A Chinese sweatshop worker putting layers of prefab carbon fiber sheets into a mold) And part of the proceeds go to "Pay the artisans"? I certainly hope so, since in the non-scam world we call that a paycheck. You know, that thing you get every month for doing your job. This whole thing sounds like a scam because being an "Artisan" or "Artist" or "Aerospace engineer" has nothing to do with putting a sheet of carbon fiber into a mold and press. Thats just a normal factory line job. Unlike the other guy in the comments, I stand my ground and am indeed directly attacking Eurorra. This is a scam.
I gotta disagree, Clevo (they are Taiwanese btw) does not sell laptops directly to customers. Someone has to buy them in bulk, rebrand and sell and that someone in this case is Eurorra. I disagree with their whole fancy naming schemes to ramp up prices though, you can get the same hardware for cheaper from different sellers that sell Clevo laptops.
Dear sir. You can say what ever you want, but the truth is far from your comments. Yes Clevo sells us the base and part of the chassis, as we need to develop a full chassis to be viable for a normal amount of money we think we can sell those units for. Secondly each unit we manufacture we need to get picture from client, make 3 renders (image colors, molds and extrusions), create molds and tools, manufacture it, paint it, following the final manufacturing process and then assembly it. All manufacturing is done in the EU not in China as we need autoclave processes that we use for our main business - we manufacture parts for airoplanes and satelites as well as f1 and moto gp parts. Also what they mentioned it not corrently (artist cut). Artists are paid from music and wallpapers we add to the build as we pay them per unit. Also some artists do their own design and resell it as art. Just for details Clevo also manufactures for Alienware and Gigabyte. There are only 5 good OEM companies and Clevo is one of them. And they are the only ones that are workign hard to not have any modern slave workers in any of their chain. Cant say that for Foxxconn (HP, Dell, Apple) or others.
@@matejrozman3128 it's great to hear your side of the story! Is it right if we think of Eurrora kind of like Gucci of laptops? As in yes, something can serve the same purpose for cheaper but not in the same way Eurrora devices do?
After owning a Zephyrus G15 I will not ever own another gaming laptop that looks like the ones of old. Ugly designs, thick chassis and bad track pads. I haven't even felt the need to build a desktop now that parts are available, the Zephyrus lineup is just as at home in a meeting as it is plugged into an ultrawide 1440p monitor. It's pretty amazing. I'm not shilling Asus, I truly hope other manufacturers follow their blueprint. So many gaming laptops are good at gaming and bad at everything else. The Zephyrus has a huge glass track pad, solid keyboard, is lightweight and relatively thin, has a quality 1440p display, good battery life, impressive speakers and it doesn't have the ugly Alienware gamer aesthetic. If you turn the keyboard backlighting to white, most people wouldn't even know it's a gaming laptop. It's been everything I've ever wanted in a gaming laptop and it's been over a year since I've owned it. It's such a brilliant piece of tech. People compare it to the Lenovo Legion series and they just aren't in the same class imo. I bought both and returned the Lenovo. The Legion has a slight bump in performance but at the expense of everything else. The Lenovo is slightly better if you always have it plugged into a monitor at home. But just build a desktop if that's your goal. I hope Lenovo and Dell can follow that path. Razer does a great job as well but they're overpriced and Razers QC is not great.
I was just thinking as he listed the specs and said it runs Linux, that shipping a laptop with an Nvidia GPU with Linux was probably not the best idea for the average end-user, especially if you take external monitors into account.
Yeah, honestly, as much as it pains me to say, there are cases when Linux is a bitch to set up. And it's on nvidia GPU's. Which is of course mostly the fault of nvidia themselves, but a casual user won't giva shit, it doesn't work but it does on Windows, so the blame goes on Linux. It's better to run AMD GPU's if you plan to use Linux. In comparison to what we saw in the video, running a Radeon is a pretty smooth experience and these days they are really not worse than nvidia honestly. At least not for gaming which is the most common use scenario.
I had a laptop that did that GPU switching thing in college, and I tried to run it with Linux -- I fought with it for years and still never got it to work. Granted, that was like 7-10 years ago, hopefully it's a bit better now, but at least half of the reason I put an AMD GPU in my current system was sheer spite over that experience.
The reason for the GPU not working correctly is probably because the Ubuntu installation was not set up with SecureBoot correctly so the GPU driver was not signed and the nVidia GPU not running at all during all the process. The achieved ~120fps maybe originated from the integrated Iris Xe graphics being used for CS:GO in the second attempt. Switching to the nVidia device only then caused the system to halt on startup because of missing SecureBoot keys. Could be anything else aswell. It's still Linux.
Small correction. The processor that was used is an i7-12700 desktop CPU. It has an integrated UHD Graphics 770 chip instead of Iris Xe. The benchmarks on this Chip for CS:GO seem to be fitting to what we saw in the video.
"Did you do something to offend a penguin at some point...?" - Anthony, 2023. I think that was comic gold, and explains everything that has ever gone wrong with Linus and Linux.
@@wolf986 you have a point but you forget that you already learned how to use windows and do certain things with it. That was certainly not just intuition as well.
@@wolf986 actually you don't need to do anything to install drivers in Linux. They are all included in the kernel. Nvidia is the sole exception because they don't want to open source their drivers. But even Nvidia drivers are installed with a single command. Apart from that some very obscure wifi cards might not work but that is quite rare as well
With current desktops and laptops having difficulty cooling their respective current chips, I can't imagine a 12700 desktop chip in a laptop being a good thing.
Yeah, it's a weird choice. Also because it's Intel. I mean, if this would be an AMD CPU in Zen 2, it would make much more sense, as those CPUs can work with reasonable power draw, and you can also upgrade it later. On Intel, even if Alder Lake is pretty ok, if not pushed to the max, it's still an i7, I do think it needs some power. Also, I don't know how much you can upgrade it. An i9 wouldn't make much sense, because of too much power draw. And Raptor Lake... if I'm not mistaken it will work in the same socket. But for the same power draw, I think it would make a very little upgrade. I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah for real why not put in like a 5600x instead even then doesn't seem like much cooling for that lol.... Gonna have to strap a hyper 212 to that bitch haha
What we can take away from this: Don't get the "Ubuntu Custom" variant because they give you an unstable Linux distribution version without proper graphics drivers installed.
I wouldn't go for Ubuntu anyway, back when i used Ubuntu in 2012, those error messages were a regular thing. also what customization have they done? this looks like a pretty standard installation.. also you can smell the incompetence (or trolling KEKW) - i mean, come on... setting up a NVIDIA based laptop with linux without installing the proprietary driver? They probably installed it, got to the desktop and said "welp its working, lets ship it".. Also this is clearly a PRIME/Optimus laptop, because I've heard that its dogshit on linux. if youre gonna ship something like that with Linux - don't.. nvidia dont care about multi-gpu on linux, its a very hit-or miss situation, and running anything on the other GPU requires setting a command or launch option before launching the app, its not automatic based on utilization, there's no functionality like on windows to open a GUI and tell it which apps you want on which GPU. Just go dedicated with the built in disabled. or no dedicated at all. In short, this is not how you do a pre-installed linux on a laptop. Its doable, but they clearly have a lot of work to do to make it easier for the end user. Aaand just checked the site.. under "Os support" it says linux and even BSD... true enough, but there's no option to buy the Linux version outright (the only option is windows) unless its deeper in the purchase screens.. meaning yes, it "works" but this isnt something they usually do.
While I hate Ubuntu with a burning passion, it is stable. Linus just broke it. The small line he typed in at 14:52 is all he had to do. Instead, he decided to fuck with the driver, which of course, given that he has no Idea what he is doing went horribly wrong…
@@richardk2n Non-LTS Ubuntu certainly isn't stable. You can literally see background jobs randomly crashing and the "report problem" message popping up in the video.
@@MrDarkbluewater Most computers shipping with Linux that I saw, came with LTS Ubuntu. The thing is he clearly messed with the OS, he obviously messed up drivers and has a history of lying about what he did to the Linux distros he broke on purpose (don't tell me force installing old packages against the explicit advice of the OS like he did to that Pop OS that he references in this video is not on purpose). At this point the OS obviously has issues, but I am willing to blame his doings for those.
Donno man... hes very much giving Linux a bad name just bc hes unwilling to learn... Don't get me wrong, I don't think Linux is noobfriendly and this should be worked on by the coders but to set up your Linux well enough you don't need a degree in computer science or be able to write your own py-scripts (even tho it helps immensely). But Linus goes out of his way to make meme vids about him beeing boomer-mode for some clicks which would be fine if he was not the biggest tech channel on yt...Nobody said Linux is easy... but it ain't that hard either
@@Jacknzyeah To be honest, not a bad idea: Give it a mixture of Linus breaking things and Anthony running through the problem as a notorious way of battle-testing Linux and highlighting things for Linux developers to fix. We know they're watching...
Meh, sometimes I'll never touch the terminal, not install anything, and Linux machines will shit themselves. It's super finicky with anything other than a console only build.
@@LiveType he's using a heavily modified ubuntu and it was probably modified by the laptop company by people who do not know what they're doing, doesn't really surprise me that it's buggy. a vanilla ZorinOS or Ubuntu install would never give problems like that on compatible hardware
No seriously, though... how does he do it? I've never experienced these bugs with OBS while consistently distrohopping (always used flatpak version though.... maybe he used something else? Since Anthony told him to get flatpak after OBS was already there?) Nvidia driver is still pain though
There's a big difference between - shipping it as Linux laptop and specifying Anthony should review it as the Linux master of the channel. And -sending it improperly setup and letting Linus the Linux Jinx review it. Instead of sending it with Windows which he knows how to operate How are we supposed to actually know if it is worth the money when the hardware is so severely hampered by their terrible install that CS:GO at like 100fps is still tearing worse then gas station toilet paper. My impression after this is that it's a terrible laptop with a fancy exterior from a company that doesn't give 2 shits about how their product preforms in a customers hands. Leave the trolling Linus shenanigans to Dbrand. At least when they do it it's actually funny and makes their product look good instead of making it look cringy and disappointing.
Ubuntu Linux is kinda broken though, TBH. I tried to dual-boot it back in the Win 7 days, it corrupted my bootloader and I had to delete everything and do a fresh Win install. Mint, on the other hand, I've been using for almost two years now without issue.
it didnt really show it performing at all to be honest lmao, just the build quality and ubuntu troubleshooting (which i imagine is not the purpose of getting one)
Its a 12700 and a 3070ti for 5000 dollars... What is there to know about the performance aside from this being a cute toy for someone that really doesn't know what do to with the 3000 extra this cost from a machine with the same performance
One Linus creates Linux, one Linus destroys Linux.. It is the way of things.
Yin and Yang of Linux
Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.
there isnt a moment where linus either drops or breaks something i swear
I think episode of Linus Tech Tips having Linus Torvalds as a cameo would be super cool :)
@@adameichler question is would be be willing
I feel like "I broke this in under one hour" could be a whole series starring Linus.
It could be a whole channel
@@beanbagburrito lol
Linus Breaks Tips
Hi
A whole new leap forward for the linus media group...
Quick tip nobody asked for: If you're booting linux and it's stuck on the logo, you normally can press ESC to see the terminal output to see at what step it stopped booting up. That way you can diagnose what's wrong with it.
It's hilarious to me how linus manages to break linux without doing anything, although I have high suspicions that Eurorra fked with this. No way does a handcrafted, 80+ quality assurance steps laptop for $5000 have such blatant issues. The fact that Ubuntu errors basically from the boot up makes me strongly believe so. I believe the "custom" ubuntu simply means "we fked with things" ubuntu. It's hilarious though and seeing linus lose his mind over linux and breaks it whenever he touches it (or not heh) is just great.
ye it looks like either the dock is set to bottom and uh yeah
They didnt even install nvidia drivers...
I mean tbf Imo you shouldn't have your system set to boot with a splash to begin with, literally all it does is hide information from you...
Why would they do that? It would be terrible advertising.
@@GundamGokuTV They went as far making that horrible sticker because they thought it would be funny, fucking ubuntu up just to mess with linux is far easier than that considering linus' history with linux lmao
Can we get a "is it faster to uninstall Linux, install Windows, download Steam, download a game and play it, or have Anthony fix Linux on this" follow-up video? Maybe call it Anthony vs Windows?
Would be better to install windows on the second ssd and choose at boot os.
@@olswang but then you'd have to keep Linux
@@SeventhEntropy Linux is perfectly fine, depends on your use case. If you want to play certain games or use windows-only software then sure... Linux wouldn't be a good choice.
Yes!!!
I love when a Sponsor goes out of their way to make their product look crap just to fuck with Linus! Colton has won another battle!!
Something tells me he'll be fired for this. xD
@@benjaminoechsli1941 He didn't get fired for the fake pregnancy prank and I'm pretty sure that was worse.
@@LEGITPURPOSE Perhaps Linus has decided the running "Colton, you're fired!" joke has run its course. Fair enough.
Colton won, but I'm not so sure this company did lol
@@RyTrapp0 It's apparantly a side-gig for the company, so they're not a dedicated Si from what it sounds like... maybe? So I can see the problems, cooling a full desktop cpu, that can pull 180w, even though that cooling is fairly beefy.... it' still a desktop 12700 (and if intel is anything like it has been, they are raging infernos, so amd would be 100x better here imo) and a 3070 TI (mobile)
10:43
"A portion of the proceeds of each sale go to the artisan who worked on the shell."
Translation from Hipster Speak: "We pay the person who worked to make the shell." Glad to hear they pay their workers! Otherwise I would have thought they worked for free!
Extra cynical translation: "The people who make the shells earn based on the number of shells they make, instead of a fixed salary"
Huge difference between paying your workers a flat salary and giving them a commission for the actual value they add. This is basically stating that they engage in profit sharing.
@@ska042 Equality of opportunity, or equality of outcome. Which one do you want?
@@charlesbrown4483 You're missing the point entirely. What I was saying is that paying the workers on a commision basis could either be a positive or a negative thing, it just depends on how much they're being paid and what the other modalities are. What I was alluding to is the shitty "gig economy" jobs like deliveroo/uber eats/whatever driver positions. Those are paid on a commission basis, but it's a really really shitty commission and the contracts are structured so that they have almost all the disadvantages of being a contractor and the disadvantages of being an employee, but none of the perks of either.
I mean I believe that they’re saying their workers get commissions, which is kinda different
Love how when LTT needs tech support, Anthony is the go to.
*Linux Tech Support - Jake is Tech support for windows and hardware
And when Anthony is not enough, they call Wendell from Level1
Anthony: the tech support of the tech support
and jake*
@@SaloCh Id watch Wendell vs. Anthony tech battle anime
I imagine Anthony setting up a Linux machine. He finishes. It runs perfectly. It games well. It handles productivity well. It's perfectly stable. Linus walks in the room. It immediately crashes.
I honestly think they screwed the install just to mess with him. Installing drivers are extremely simple. Just search "additional drivers" and then select your preferred Nvidia driver version and click apply. Extremely simple and fast. Although Nvidia drivers actually need a reboot to apply correctly unlike system updates for some reason.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 Does it not just need a logout? I don't remember any more. That being said, that doesn't make much difference with modern boot times...
@@loicvanderwielen A logout does not restart the display server ( or root innt or root configurations ). You need to restart the system for NVIDIA drivers to apply updates. However a logout/back in will update user programs, browser for example. General rule of Linux, restart after updates or making system configuration changes.
Look up the Pauli effect.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 i bricked my linux mint 21 install by installing nvidia drivers like how you mentioned lololol somethings up with the latest nvidia driver for linux.
I mean I was seriously laughing out loud at the effort and quality on the face stuck to the front. The commitment is just so hilarious and commendable. It's just such a solid meme that makes me laugh every single time. 🤣
@Teamgeist at least I don't spend time demeaning people in TH-cam comments. 🤔
It's not that funny... But I will not judge you
@shiftypersona I also thought it was pretty funny! dont let you drag down by the asshats in the comments who hate their life :)
Trivia fact : linus has already reviewed the same chassis 2 years ago, with an origin laptop who had a ryzen 9 3900 desktop in it. Having it, I can confirm:that's absolutely the same clevo chassis and even cooling system. 😎
Correction : it was the xmg apex 15 (also known as clevo nh57af1)
The cooking system is pretty similar to my 2015 Avell/Clevo barebone.
The keyboard corrector was quite right, it's more a cooking system than a cooling one. 😆
Just kidding, actually it was pretty decent, especially comparing to my 2019 Acer Predator.
@@rafaelroma1657 no no I like cooking system better.
Aw cool!
I say a series of “Linux Tech Tips” with Anthony is needed.
Yeah... But As Linus said some months ago: "There's only one Anthony and there doesn't seem to exist enough audience interested in linux only. There are channels that would do this much better than we can with Anthony."
@@brunoais I mean we don't need a separate channel like mac address, maybe a series revisiting linux again like their previous linux videos on LTT would be nice
@@rateater420 They'll do linux videos from time to time, as Linus said. Just not regularly.
@@brunoais People keep saying it and its getting more common every time
Linus explicitly stated that they wont be doing it anytime soon.
I want "I broke this in under one hour..." to become a series or its own channel
As a Linux user, I felt this. I've been in a bunch of usability arguments as of late, and god, was it just painful how stubborn some people can be when you point out small issues that really should be polished and made easier for newcomers.
Linux experts are the worst. They just can't understand why someone doesn't want to live in terminal and have to keep a spreadsheet with hundreds of linux commands just to play games and type on their computer. Honestly, those people are the reason Linux has never went mainstream.
@Clay Gomera you are exactly the type of person that makes everyone hate linux and are a detriment to it's wider acceptence.
The line:
"But you have to keep in mind that using the terminal in Linux is NOT necessary in any way. Almost everything that you can do in a terminal, is possible in a GUI in some way."
is COMPLETE horse s&*t and anyone that has used linux for more than 2 minutes on a new install knows it.
@Clay Gomera I'm a well experience Linux user myself. For casual everyday tasks i agree, the terminal is not needed whatsoever. But when it comes to gaming or getting something professionally up, running, and done, the terminal may end up become a necessity out of various consequences and points of failure. And to an end-user who does not have the care and/or time to figure that out when things can just work on Windows or Mac, there is a clear solution: use Windows or Mac, especially when time is money for major companies to the self-employed. That is why Linux has not (yet) become mainstream, although major improvements are being made everywhere to get to that point one day, and I feel that day is coming soon.
@Clay Gomera yeah maybe becoming mainstream is a stretch but i do feel its becoming easier to use every day without the need for terminal use or configuring files, despite fragmentation. Many distro devs are working super hard to tightly integrate everything while keeping it cross compatible and modular. Also true on the gaming part, its relatively easy to install and run games but thats assuming everything else like drivers are set up and youre not unlucky. I have a Steam Deck and there’s honestly no issues getting non-steam games added and running with Heroic and Lutris (i just wish Amazon games had a launcher.)The distro you pick can heavily determine your quality of life too but sometimes you wont know which one that is until you’ve hopped several times.
@Clay Gomera It was better in earlier versions. That's the deal with coming up with a new major version every year.
I like that raised LTT logo though. That's actually something that I could see many brands wanting on their machines.
Makes me wonder about bulk orders. Each individual laptop would be expensive if it has its own mold. But, re-use should cut the price down significantly.
Designability comes at a price but who knows maybe a standard assortment ?
That they switch occassionally or add new designs to seasonally ?
The whole back carbon fiber would have looked way cooler i think.
Unfortunately, custom lids are cancelled by federal law, due to too many small children being frightened.
Maybe it looks cool but it would be super annoying when handling the laptop. I hope it's not going to happen.
It’s such a breath of fresh air to see an old school laptop like this. A laptop with an ethernet port, user removable battery and upgradable ram.
Yeah, it's so old school it can't even boot and run a steam game or use the nvidia driver LOL. I'll stick with my MSI laptop thanks.
@@IYF_Productions_SL That's Linux's fault. On Windows it would've been completely fine.
@@itsmrdante6274 no, it’s Nvidia’s fault for ignoring open-source development.
@@Ebalosus I mean it was probably both. Linux can be a royal pain in the ass to deal with, much more than Windows, and the pairing with Nvidia hardware really didn't help in this case. ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
My secondhand Thinkpad T480 has those "old-school" features and runs Debian just fine?
Haven't even had driver problems with the discrete GPU, though a Geforce MX150 is a bit subpar for gaming these days ;-)
I sincerely hope this shows up in a future Intel upgrade type video as a "borrowed" from work item.
I bet Linus won't even be annoyed, he be glad someone took it away xD
yea this most definitely needs to be used daily ,5k??? sheesh
I feel like the only person I could imagine taking it is Anthony
@@clipzy5032 shit I'm still wondering what happened to the predator dual 1080ti laptop that was around 10 from 2017
@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords shhhh
it always amazes me how linus is able to always run into every possible problem in linux
Feh. The Pop!OS footgun was legit bad luck, but putting a stock install of Ubuntu on a bespoke laptop with an Nvidia GPU is literally setting him up to fail--considering I can't even get display sleep to work on one of my desktops with an AMD APU, I *can't even imagine* the level of tweaking required to optimize a desktop 12700 to work in a laptop configuration.
Linus Torvalds did not approve
Well, trying to run nVidia *and* running OBS _while updating the system_ is a recipe for broken system, so not really surprised he has problems
@@666Tomato666 Yeah, nvidia + Linux is not the best choice. Even worse, nvidia + Ubuntu specifically is just the recipe for disaster. Pop OS or some Arch based distro would be a lot better in the drivers department. Or just using an AMD GPU, that would be a looooot smoother honestly.
Linus puts the law in "Murphy's law"
Man I laughed so much, make Linus use Linux more often
Teach him to use it first
OEM: "We need someone to test the durability of our technology against breakage."
LTT Team: "We have your man."
New video idea for ltt. Prepare 20 machines with different Linux distros installed . See how long it takes for Linus to ruin the installs :)
Excellent idea. I rofled irl.
please i need to see this
Epic idea
title: I Speedrun breaking every Linux distro!
Run Arc graphics and Manjaro Gnome for cutting edge hardware. If you have something 2-3years old, Ubuntu LTS should be fine. Never ever run current gen Nvidia graphics on Linux, unless it's a server. Steam Deck's OS is good for AMD graphics.
This is hilarious, thank you for trolling Linus for our pleasure, and also, that’s a lot of cool stuff you shove in there
Anthony standing there while his boss flips his lid at his new toy is tech humor gold. 😆
First world problems 🙄🤣
Best of all is the karma about offending a penguin LMAO
Watching Linus struggle with Linux for 15 minutes always puts a smile on my face.
Struggling with Ubuntu. I feel him.
I'm glad he's like that with Linux. I've been into computers for 20 years and I still don't care for Linux.
@@Shaz8389 That's not the flex you think it is.
@@Shaz8389 That's... The opposite of a good thing. Especially when it's so easy.
@@zurkke Youre right is a giga chad flex!
It deffinetly looks like a Clevo, probably they made the internals! Would be interesting to see if they come up with upgrade motherboards!
just change out the CPU yourself!
Shipping it with Ubuntu 21.10 is a big mistake. Giving them Linux is one thing, not shipping it with LTS version is inexcusable. Should have at least given them 20.04. With the whole new transition to Wayland, it’s very tricky on 21.10 even for seasoned Linux users picking it up for the first time. Although this also sounds more like Colton’s fault, so fire him
Gaming on LTS??? Shouldn't touch ubuntu anyway, it's a mess.
Shipping a Linux laptop with an Nvidia GPU
It also shouldn't have been Ubuntu. The LTS of Mint would give them fewer issues; even LTS Ubuntu has been a buggy mess for the past decade.
@@Thanatos2996 Worked fine for the last 6 years for me, just the Nvidia drivers crash from time to time
@@Thanatos2996 Please stop using/recommending Debian based distros. Please start using Fedora if you are not a power user. There's literally no reason for you to torture yourself using anything Debian-related, so PLEASE don't.
5:56 - "unusual in the electronics industry" - literally legally required in most of Europe. The EU has 2 years minimum but many countries go further than that.
5:50 *
Literally 0 laptops in Europe are 3 year warranty.
There’s still a major difference between the manufacturer‘s warranty and the EU statutory warranty. The latter only covers existing issues when the device was sold and can be hard to enforce, while the manufacturer‘s warranty pretty much covers anything at goodwill. So having a long warranty from the manufacturer and not just the statutory EU warranty is a very good thing. The EU warranty can be useless in many cases and a pain to deal with after a year.
@@CorvusCorax12d Literally 100% of laptops in Sweden etc are
@@CorvusCorax12d It's 2 years minimum per EU law (except for screens) and most manufacturers start with a 3 year factory warranty. Even my Clevo NH55JNNQ came with a 3 year warranty as well.
So much of this laptop is great, upgradeability, storage expansion, cooling, trackpad with individual buttons etc. Shame that the only option to purchase it is probably 2k more expensive than it could be because of the custom lid.
EDIT: just found the other comment that reveals its about 2.5k more than the original version of the product for the custom lid. That's one hard pill to swallow.
4:38
it seems like Linus has finally experienced first-hand the incredibly stable experience that is GNOME extensions
at least they crash reliably. :D
@@RC2225 You're underselling, they also reliably get dropped by the dev within 3 versions or so and stop working
please someone send to LMG a Linux Mint Debian Edition Mate Desktop laptop :)
@@fotnite_ I mean its community made. How long is the lifespan on plasmoids in KDE? I tried one or two and they are imho quite comparable in stability.
Someone has a good idea maintains it 2-3 years and then probably moves on. Just recently the maintainer of LatteDock announced that he cannot maintain it longer due to personal reasons. Since this was one of the more popular extensions for KDE I think the chance is high that someone or a group will continue it.
For all that reason I stick on KDE to that what the distro or upstream delivers. Except GNOME which requires some adjustments to the activity bar...
GNOME with wayland + snap, hahahahahhah
I need an entire series with Anthony delivering Linux Tech Tips
I'd definitely save that whole series in a playlist :)
I've always watched LTT here and there, but Anthony is what made me sub.
I also first saw Anthony and became really interested in the channel, I think Linus was on a vacation so Anthony instead hosted.
Anthony is smart. I'd love to see him more often.
A big Thank you from all at Eurorra, our business partners and artists. Special thank to Colton for his pick of art eventually. If you dont mind we will give details as you probably missed some as they wore in details.
Refarding the case it's custom made as we ll as the carbon fiber, we do molds and tools based on the design a person sends us. The opening music is part of the requirement a user gives us if required and by that thy also support the artist as we give a donation to each purchase to artists (musicians and designers).
Linux was chosen as the time we requested a feedback from you guys you didnt specify it so we made custom Linux, also the CPU is destop CPu so it's easely to be replaced by user, as for the battery it's additional as users can easely replace it. Software on it as actually bloatware but as mentioned in description we support those companies so that's why we installed them as well as this might be the case the cooling is lauder at start.
You guys rock haha
As for the updates we mentioned as we send the unit back in April you do need to update it to 22.04. Sorry for the beafy specifications they wore detailed.
You are doomed people will buy a clevo that works and put a sticker on it. I wish you the best but it is unlikely you'll sell a lot.
Nvidia drivers and linux, surely a combination that will go well. Also once the driver is installed, nvidia adds a tool (i forget the name) that can monitor temps and clocks. I forget if psensor picked it up, but if i remember right it did.
If I remember right you basically just press your winkey and type "nvidia" and basically the first entry popping up gives you the nvidia-settings where the gpu temp is... I don't know why but it feels like Linus is just leaning on the meme of him sucking at Linux and trying to move his tech channel to a bunch of meme vids... Yes Linux ain't userfrienly... we established that with the last Linux challenge but him still struggling this hard is kinda cringe...
nvidia-xserver-settings. Required root permissions to run because it literally rewrote your Xorg.conf with wanton disregard for any other modifications you needed.
I still have nightmares remembering the hours I spent fighting with that tool (ca 2012). And I wasn't even trying to run games, just hook up a second HDMI display! If memory serves, my eventual solution was literally just to buy a DVI adapter so I could run everything through integrated graphics.
Yeah. If you want to use Linux, just use an AMD GPU. Or Intel when they release them, I guess...
@@gRocketOne The problem is that Nvidia has significantly better OpenGL performance than Team Red, even / especially under Linux. Back in the day, the other reason to try to get Nvidia to play nice with the penguin was that Nvidia was the only game in town when it came to GPGPU computation. I guess that's no longer true, as I've read that miners preferred Radeon cards, but CUDA is still way more widely adopted for scientific computing than OpenCL.
@@Jacknzyeah I feel like this was also mostly Eurorra's fault for not properly setting up the Nvidia drivers in their custom Ubuntu
While I love Linux, Linux definitely has a ton of issues for the average consumer. NVidia support is lacking in most cases as they just provide the bare minimum to get a display output unless you are running a business grade GPU, and configuration can be a pain unless you want to learn how to use the terminal. Personally I enjoy how Linux works, but I can definitely see how it doesn't work for people that just want to be able to download any game and go
thing is, the issues with nvidia are created by nvidia. Which is a shame, because outside gaming, nvidia drivers for CUDA, AI etc are way better than on Windows
@TonyGamer:
That's a nVidia problem, not a Linux problem. (And to be even-more-specific than that, it's a nVidia-corporation_&_nVidia-graphics--drivers problem, not a problem-with-the-Linux-kernel).
For more information about what’s going on, please see this video here: th-cam.com/video/IVpOyKCNZYw/w-d-xo.html
Current/Modern-Day AMD-Radeon graphics-cards or 1990s nVidia-GeForce graphics-cards both work-well in Linux.
@@reoencarcelado5904 I am acutely aware of the issues NVidia has with Linux. That is what I was trying to convey in my comment is that NVidia does not provide much support for Linux, just the bare minimum to have a (mostly) functional desktop experience. I didn't realize how bad the issue really was though until I tried to use VR on Linux, and it just crashes every single time it tries to render a frame. Had I realized just how bad the issues with NVidia on Linux can be, I would have gone AMD despite the fact I would have been downgrading my card, or paying more at the time I bought my computer. I will say that NVidia open sourcing the kernel side drivers is a nice step in the right direction, but in comparison to what AMD does for Linux, it isn't much
@@adicsbtw i completely agree with you :-) (on everything that you said :-) ).
on the plus side, Eurethra brand can now use the
"Might be the worst thing I have ever seen." - LTT / ShortCircuit
as a promotional slogan in their marketing efforts.
uhm...
Er...
Eurethra sounds appropriate
Pretty impressive, but Id have rather seen more effort put into things like the keyboard than the superficial carbon fiber lid.
I mean the only thing they do is making the lid. The rest is just a rebranded clevo laptop
@@luke....... I know, but for 5k USD it needs to be more than that.
@@henryatkinson1479 totally agree for that price you could get a decent desktop and a decent laptop with custom sticker or skin (if the customization is important).
@@henryatkinson1479 Carbon fiber is extremely expensive, so no, I wouldn't necessarily say that it needs to offer more at that price, but the carbon fiber design would probably be in higher demand when combined with a more premium laptop than the clevo they used.
@@leonro Carbon fiber is NOT that expensive, especially the pretty small quantity used in these. You can buy 6' rolls of carbon fiber cloth on Amazon for like thirty bucks (which means there's a markup that a manufacturer should be able to get around by sourcing it directly)
It's annoying to work with, so bumps the expense up a bit, but still not by nearly that much.
Ubuntu? With an NVidia GPU?
It would've been more surprising if it didn't break.
Didn't Nvidia just recently say they were going to focus on better drivers for Linux ?
@@Gatorade69 going to... every experience I've had with nvidia driver has been a subpar experience, usually ends just like Linus here, where it won't boot into a UI anymore. I'ts not bricked, you just have to get back to the console and uninstall the nvidia driver and reinstall the opensource ones, then figure out what driver version actually works.
Then give up and just get an AMD system.
@@edwardecl let's me guess did you try to install them from Nvidia site? Ubuntu, Fedora, arch all have official packages you can install via package manager via gui or command line
Laughs with obligatory 3 year warranty on almost everything electronic in Portugal/Europe.
Not in the US sadly.
Linux users be like: "DUDE, HE LITERALLY CHOSE THE 'NOT WORK' BUTTON!!! WHAT DID HE THINK WOULD HAPPEN?!"
Gotta love it when anthonys linux troubleshooting hit the "did you ever do something to a penguin?" stage...
oh yes, nvidia and linux...in a laptop, that is the ultimate combo
To be fair i run mint and game on it lol
@@minarchisttrucker2775 just because you _can_ doesn't mean you _should_
You can drive wood screws with a hammer, but you'll have pretty bad time with it...
Chill it's a 3070 it, just install Ubuntu official Nvidia drivers packages, it will run just fine
Much Ubuntu distros run out of box with Nvidia
@@battlebuddy4517 desktop nvidia is very different from laptop nvidia, you'd know if you ever had to deal with it
As a Linux user, I will attest it’s still got a ways to go in usability on consumer systems (laptops are generally worse because OEMs do some janky things with unnecessarily-specialized hardware and drivers). Nvidia is also usually garbage because they just don’t care about Linux. Linux has a significantly better, more flexible architecture, and could be WAY better than windows if given the same treatment from manufacturers, but nobody develops for it.
I will say though, I’m excited for the steam deck, because it’s showing people what Linux *can* be like, using proton to force windows games to run on it, and I’m hopeful that it will catch the eyes of manufacturers, because if people actually wrote proper, first-class drivers and software for their stuff on Linux, it would be significantly less annoying.
It’s okay to say Linux for consumer use is a sub-par experience in terms of ease of use, but thank you for also saying Windows is bad, too, because it is. It’s just bad in a way that people are already used to, so the common knowledge of workarounds and hacks makes it generally easier to work with, even though it has worse reliability (if you choose the right distro and set it up the right way, Linux is *far* more reliable. I’ve had a server running at my old company since I left almost a year ago, and they still use it with nobody maintaining it)
@ICEGalaxy7 Well, unfortunately that's to be expected on most name-brand laptops. They usually use weird custom in-house things that they refuse to write drivers for on anything other than Windows. Although, were you referring to initial setup or ongoing usage (installing software, etc)?
I don't understand how hacked Mac OS would have been an easier install though; that almost sounds like you're just trolling me, because that has even less support (both quantity and quality) than Linux does, considering it's illegal, and you need all these custom hacked bootloaders and random kext files scattered across the internet written by some guy in his basement who didn't want to release the source code to give you any guarantee he's not stealing your personal information. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty cool, and once you get it working, as long as you don't need updates, it's probably pretty user-friendly because unless an app is really trying to find a hacked copy of Mac OS, it should just work like it does on any other Mac. The setup though is a nightmare unless you use fairly sketchy software that usually could easily get you litigated and fined.
Have you looked at Deepin? I haven't personally used the OS, but I tried their desktop environment for a while on an Arch install (I tried barebones Arch for a little bit as a challenge) and it was pretty user-friendly. It wasn't the most featureful or customizable, but it felt pretty familiar as someone who primarily uses a MacBook.
Nvidia does care about Linux just not the desktop part of it lol
Even then with driver 515 it's run great on 20-30 series
It takes a few days to mold and create a 8k euro carbon bike frame that requires much more engineering. I think the 'handcrafted' carbon fiber laptop might be over-exaggerated
You do know, a factory and a small business operate on different scales? They probably have a cost of 1k and mark it at 8k and produce 500+ per day.
Then engineering/pre-work cost on those moulds etc... is maybe a debit on 4k.
yup
Actually no. Cycles are easy. We manufacture airplanes and Satelites. Laptops are for our plasure. The issue is that on a bicycle you have a distance betweene one joint to another and the material is easier to deal with. In a laptop design it depends on the user design and this means the extrrusion is not simple to deal with. This means much more hours working on the mold and hand putting the carbon fibr inside so itdoesnt generate air pockets or puts material on one side too thick on the other too thin.
Dude, shut up.
1400 for just a frame? What about literally every other part of the laptop? What's your definition of nothing?
I love that Eurorra decided to troll Linus with the meme lid and sending him Ubuntu. 🤣
Except it wasn't a troll, Colton chose the art and they said Ubuntu was used because of community feedback but since they didn't know what distro to use they "made their own" but just mucked it up.
Lol they sent Linus a Linux laptop with a Nvidia GPU, they must have known about the driver issues and were just messing with him
@@fantasypvp they left a series of comments on this video and one of them clarified why Linux was used. They explain they listened to community feedback that wanted it to ship with Linux so they "built their own" Linux build stating the community didn't mention what type of Linux they wanted. This company is rebranding Clevo laptops for more than double the cost so I wouldn't assume they know much about Linux, especially since their choice to use Linux was supposedly, in their own words, was do to a poll or feedback.
The real troll is doing that with an nvidia gpu
1:32 Linus be proud of that hand- crafted, non-removable, wide Linus cover IT’S A MASTERPIECE…. For the next generation of Memes
It blows me away how much of a hard time Linus has with linux. I can't tell how much of it is my own blindness to issues in linux because I've just gotten used to the jankiness, how much is Linux actually being a mess, and how much is just bad luck. I feel genuinely bad for him, this looked excruciating to troubleshoot on camera lmao.
I've experienced a fair bit of jankiness on linux, but most of that was years ago. I almost can't believe how much trouble he is having, he really must be cursed by a penguin.
I started using Linux back in September last year, and Linus has experienced more issues in the 3 days I've seen him use it than I've had since I started using it.
It's honestly impressive just how clueless he seems to be (based entirely on his result of breaking everything all the time) he is given how tech savvy he is.
Ubuntu is a mess and he is not into reading things before clicking them so...
I've been a Linux main for 3 years now. Much like every platform, Linux has a steep learning curve before you can feel comfy in it. It's very easy to follow some random guide online and just wreck your system OR use some outdated/inapplicable config that does nothing but waste you time.
LTS is pretty jank for gaming and Nvidia right now. If they gave Linux Ubuntu LTS he's SOL.
Can't wait for an employee to take this home and have it show up in an extreme tech upgrade 3 or 4 years from now.
As someone who's worked in tech support, helping someone like Linus is my worse nightmare
Let’s appreciate the repairability of this laptop for real
It's just a clevo design, they're kind of all like this
especially when it needs to be repaired just after 1 hour of use 💀
And good CS. They honor the warranty.
@@kiister8126 that's true too! But tbf it's hard to produce custom laptops like this.
@@kiister8126 more so the OS than anything else
The moment someone makes Linux "Linus proof" (what a mouthful)
Is the moment is ready to go mainstream
Steam OS 3.0?
Garuda linux + amd gpu and boom done. No need to install all the gaming stuff it's done already, and Arch has the largest repos in the game, so no messing around with flatpak or snaps or any of that garbage.
@@tylerdean980 Yeah well, people do run nvidia GPUs...
@@HilbertXVI I'm not saying they shouldn't I'm just telling you how to make it idiot proof. You'll have a worse time with nvidia, just a fact.
@@HilbertXVI if you made the mistake of trusting nVidia to provide working drivers, that's on you, not on the Linux community
First reboot: For the system upgrade(which was optional since you don't need to run the latest kernel software for a game)
Last reboot: was porbably to update the xorg config to force it to use Nvidia instead of primus
In the defence of Linus: The fact they chose Nvidia for a Linux Machine is borderline stupid, Nvidia has the worst support for the Linux OS.
Most of the things happening(Besides the shitty implementation of ubuntu on the machine) were partially user errors, Linus is phenomenal for hardware and windows reviews, but i think they should have let Anthony done the software part of this video.
I guess the device didn't boot because ubuntu uses Wayland by default and i dont think Nvidia card are ready for wayland yet
I can't agree more. Sitting here on my all-AMD Lenovo Legion with KUbuntu which has been very near perfect. The only slight issue was the HDMI port when both GPUs were enabled, but a quick trip to the BIOS to disable the onboard GPU and it's been smooth sailing. (I would expect a decent manufacturer to do a tweak like that in advance of sending a laptop out for review.) Games run great, they don't lag or tear, temperatures are kept well under control and are easily monitored with KDE's System Monitor, and overall specs are quickly viewed with Info Center. Also, KDE has spent a lot of time polishing the user experience. Whatever configuration of Ubuntu that was is just terrible.
1:05 eeehh . . Yeah, thanks, I didn't wanna sleep tonight anyway . . .
linus with linux feels like my grandma with any piece of technology more advanced than a calculator.
Except the difference is that linus is actually really competent with technology, it's just that linux sucks ass
I'm surprised that Linus didn't fire Colton at 5:35
@9:18 Love how Linus starts whispering when the laptop cooling is free and in his hands. Those things are fragile - wouldn't want to scare it too badly
This was doomed the moment they shipped an Nvidia laptop with Ubuntu on it (seemingly without even installing the proprietary drivers). Might have been better if they at least used the Nvidia version of Pop OS. Tho I personally don't use Linux on Nvidia machines anymore, too much hassle
Yeah like there's a big difference between
- shipping it as Linux laptop and specifying Anthony should review it as the Linux master of the channel.
- and sending it improperly setup and letting Linus the Linux Jinx review it. Instead of sending it with Windows
How are we supposed to actually know if it is worth the money when the hardware is so severely hampered by their terrible install that CS:GO at like 100fps is still tearing worse then gas station toilet paper.
My impression after this is that it's a terrible laptop with a fancy exterior from a company that doesn't give 2 shits about how their product preforms in a customers hands.
Leave the trolling Linus shenanigans to Dbrand. At least when they do it it's actually funny and not cringe and disappointing
I think Ubuntu uses Wayland by default and Nvidia support in Wayland sucks ass (and if it is Optimus it's even more shitty). Can't blame Linus, but he's definitely cursed with Linux lmao
it's the problem with ubuntu, it's not super stable lately. Mint if debian is what you want, otherwise, arch or manjaro might be less problematic.
@@El_Batipapa 100 percent, cursed. I've always had fairly good luck with linux, but my best friend....gets fucked so hard by the fickle linux gods.
I don't ever have issues like linus tho, that dude breaks the distro just by looking at it.
I really feel like Linus and his whole crew were on drugs for a while. At 15:16 he almost cried lmao
i laughed so hard when linus was talking about the restarting because a couple of times you could hear him almost crying like a little kid would when hes worried and trying to explain something
Samee, but it's understandable because you can hear that he legitimately don't understand why it happens. Even if he's super smart with windows
@@Totalwar09 I think he understands, he's just frustrated with the linux fanboys that insist it's not needed.
@@JanPeterDeVries well it really isn't, but its such a pain to go through everything that happens when you reboot. I know how to do stuff like this and not reboot, but I still reboot because its so much easier.
@@camera1946 yeah especially with the speed of computers nowadays, why wast time figuring out which services to restart when you can restart them all in 60 seconds
Just to clarify. what happend at 10:40 is a pretty normal behaviour. Ubuntu starts up into the overview (Kinda llike the windows search thingy). In that instance it seems as if obs and steam were configured to run at startup and so that happend. You can turn it off
I'm always amazed at how screwed over by linux Linus gets, for me I used ubuntu for a month and didn't like it, and then switched to pop and I have not had an issue since
loved pop until the time it nuked itself. now i cant look at it without a bit of caution. to be fair, i made the same mistake linus did back then. so i also read with more caution ^^
To be fair, that is the linux laptop of my dreams. Including the "wide Linus"" artwork on the lid.
Why would you want a computer that costs this much, has great components, but can only run CS:GO at 100fps? I mean ffs why is anyone defending linux here? How much tinkering and insider knowledge do you have to do just to run a game?
@@kevinwells9751 CS:GO specifically runs like shit for some reason on Linux. No problems in Apex or Splitgate or others.
@@kevinwells9751 Whoa whoa whoa there buddy... This is my the linux laptop of my dreams cos it has a wide faced linus on it. I dont play CS:GO (or other games), and could promptly fix Linus' linux issues simply by taking the laptop off him and doing whatever I want with it. People use and like laptops and linux (not necessarily one or the other being exclusive with either). What matters to linux using folks like me more is not whether CS:GO can run on it, but I could nuke the system and do something entirely different with it.
@@kevinwells9751 The problem was that they shipped this laptop without proper nvidia drivers. And even then, nvidia never works properly on Linux, especially on Ubuntu. I would definitely run a different distro it it was my laptop, but I would also choose a Radeon version if that's a choice because these have a history of working well with Linux because AMD actually cares about developing linux drivers. Nvidia is to blame for screwing up. If they made their drivers open source they wouldn't even need to work on them, the community would just fork these drivers and improve them.
TL;DR if you want to have the best possible Linux experience, it's best to go with Team Red, bith in the CPU and the GPU. These have excellent support on Linux.
@@Sigma1 correct anyone with common sense can make it run better
should make a part 2 with windows installed, I'm curious what it can do.
Please make this happen @shortcircuit
Little tip: CSGO on the menu has a lower capped FPS compared to in-game. Great video!
they just wanted to torture you in the most spectacular way by shipping you a laptop with linux given your sad track record with penguins AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY they shipped it with intel and a nvidia card... KNOWN TO HAVE THE WORST DRIVERS.... man this people is even more mean to you than dbrand lmfao
@Clay Gomera hey at least lets appreciate that they didnt go for the absolute ultimate low blow and ship it with pop!_OS... i would had died there
This video sums up my whole experience with Linux over the years. Every single time I gave it a chance, from Mandrake to Linux Mint, my experience has been like: "Oh why the fu** this happened?", "What? Why did this break by itself?", "Yesterday it worked, WHY IT ISN'T NOW??", then proceeded to search for solutions on Google, ended up in some forums where people suggested to enter some lines in the terminal that solved nothing, spent tons of time trying to fix things that I never broke to begin with, and finally giving up and returning to Windows. Maybe I'm cursed like Linus, or maybe Linux doesn't like me... but for sure I'll give it a shot again in the future.
2-3 years warranty is pretty common in Europe.
The editors aren't doing Linus a favour...
Linus: "I did nothing!"
Me: "YOU JUST HAD THE LAPTOP IN SEVERAL PIECES, possibly while still powered on, AND RIPPED THE COOLING SOLUTION OUT OF IT!"
Also, on the subject of "Linux doesn't require reboots".. Through various stages of my life I had at least 1 or 2 people who had, at least *some* experience with Linux. But it wasn't until I got online that I heard the phrase. Seeing how the phrase is (and for me) came from English speakers, that basically means.. North America. I'm not saying that's the origin of this problem, but you do have a lot more safety labels.....
Seriously though, how many other people didn't hear this Linux 'feature' until they got to the English speaking online part of their lives? Because, yeah I believe it's possible to never reboot. It just involves the loading and unloading of modules, manually tracking hundreds of processes, changing files (or not) etc. etc. etc. Really; a reboot is much quicker and safer.
From what I could gather when I first started to use a laptop with nvidia optimus support, the only "decent" implementations come from PopOS and Arch Linux, so yeah they def trolled Linus by shipping it with ubuntu without the nvidia kernel modules and without primerun, which is one of the many reasons why Ubuntu sucks
This. I'm a seasoned Unix admin. I started with yellow dog on an iBook clamshell. It's my job since decades, I hack Chinese mips handhelds for fun and boot custom bootloaders on them while monitoring it on uart. I run debian unstable on all my x64 devices. But for THE LOVE OF GOD if I EVER have to deal with a dual gpu with Nvidia discrete laptop ever again, it's straight Pop OS 0 question asked.
@@pranze3484 Exactly my point, you either spend a lot of time trying to replicate what the Arch wiky says, on Arch, or you go to PopOS, I tried something like 5 or 6 distros and the only ones that had proper support for multiple GPU's on laptop are Arch and Pop, and not everyone has the patience to spend a month either working from a tty or dual booting 2 linux Os from the same PC, I did the latter because I was able to mount my arch install on PopOS and then configure what I had to from a GUI and then a simple reboot to test if everything was working fine, however I was doing this with NVME ssd's which made the entire process a little faster, however it was a really good learning experience that I doubt I'll ever need again 😅
Exactly my thoughts xF
I can't stand using Nvidia on Linux. I recently tried getting an optimus laptop working for the first time in 10 years and the experience hasn't improved a bit. Never again.
@@weab True. Sadly, I've tried many tricks to make nvidia gtx 1650 power off when not in use, but no luck. So I've not been using it in my Arch (Power drain). I've heard rtx 30** laptops has some features that makes it have good support in Linux.
Linus, it’s important that you disclose your investment in Framework every time that you discuss a laptop. Most of your community knows but it’s still necessary to include
Yeah I was confused why there wasn’t in this video
He has generally done that in other reviews, but he should have here. To be fair he did praise them for their reparability, upgradeability, and warranties that go a long way towards reducing e-waste
This is perfect for building hype around upcoming products and crash test prototypes for things you can't predict in a lab.
At first I was a little skeptical about the 250 hours of work for the carbon fiber work. Then I thought well the whole chassis could represent some issues when you're doing custom work and not mass production. Then I realize 250 hours for the screen lip only.... alright. Probably way too many hands in the line of process for it to amass to 250 hours.... I could see 40 hours to get the molding right for the lip and then another 20-30 for making sure the finish product is nice and smooth. But 250 for just a computer screen lid is insane.
Eurrora is a Slovenian company, they're not particularly fast as a people.
So much this. The only thing I can think is the "up to" part is including letting resin set and cure and some like super one off like this one which would take some custom molding and design work but like, sounds like an exaggeration to justify the price when its seemingly the only thing they're really adding to the laptops they source from Clevo. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand and support the "lets make a carbon fiber laptop lid because it looks siiiiick" and totally get sourcing them from a company like Clevo makes tons of sense if you just want to mod them and sell them, I just dislike the seemingly big exaggerations like 250 hours and the "we dont think people want mass produced laptops" while selling people a laptop that is, aside from a custom lid, seemingly mass produced.
It's such a blatant lie. The month of 8 hour work days 5 days a week is only 160 hours. 250 hours of even 25$ per hour is over 6k dollarinos just in labor costs, while laptop costs 5k. If your marketing claims can be disproven with grade school math, you really have to reconsider imo
They're probably counting the time it takes to CAD up the mold, make the mold, and lay the fiber in a way that the pattern looks good.
@@raphaelambrosiuscosteau829 Bold of you to assume all the world is being paid 25$ per hour
So its a Clevo laptop that has a "handmade" carbon fiber lid made by """artisans""" (AKA: A Chinese sweatshop worker putting layers of prefab carbon fiber sheets into a mold)
And part of the proceeds go to "Pay the artisans"? I certainly hope so, since in the non-scam world we call that a paycheck. You know, that thing you get every month for doing your job.
This whole thing sounds like a scam because being an "Artisan" or "Artist" or "Aerospace engineer" has nothing to do with putting a sheet of carbon fiber into a mold and press. Thats just a normal factory line job. Unlike the other guy in the comments, I stand my ground and am indeed directly attacking Eurorra. This is a scam.
I gotta disagree, Clevo (they are Taiwanese btw) does not sell laptops directly to customers. Someone has to buy them in bulk, rebrand and sell and that someone in this case is Eurorra. I disagree with their whole fancy naming schemes to ramp up prices though, you can get the same hardware for cheaper from different sellers that sell Clevo laptops.
I really really don't think Linus / LTT would let something like that slip under their radar for a review, they definitely research this stuff
@@metalface8515 Unless there's a video on the main channel, that I've missed, they haven't reviewed the laptop. This is more of an unboxing.
Dear sir. You can say what ever you want, but the truth is far from your comments. Yes Clevo sells us the base and part of the chassis, as we need to develop a full chassis to be viable for a normal amount of money we think we can sell those units for. Secondly each unit we manufacture we need to get picture from client, make 3 renders (image colors, molds and extrusions), create molds and tools, manufacture it, paint it, following the final manufacturing process and then assembly it. All manufacturing is done in the EU not in China as we need autoclave processes that we use for our main business - we manufacture parts for airoplanes and satelites as well as f1 and moto gp parts. Also what they mentioned it not corrently (artist cut). Artists are paid from music and wallpapers we add to the build as we pay them per unit. Also some artists do their own design and resell it as art. Just for details Clevo also manufactures for Alienware and Gigabyte. There are only 5 good OEM companies and Clevo is one of them. And they are the only ones that are workign hard to not have any modern slave workers in any of their chain. Cant say that for Foxxconn (HP, Dell, Apple) or others.
@@matejrozman3128 it's great to hear your side of the story! Is it right if we think of Eurrora kind of like Gucci of laptops? As in yes, something can serve the same purpose for cheaper but not in the same way Eurrora devices do?
After owning a Zephyrus G15 I will not ever own another gaming laptop that looks like the ones of old. Ugly designs, thick chassis and bad track pads.
I haven't even felt the need to build a desktop now that parts are available, the Zephyrus lineup is just as at home in a meeting as it is plugged into an ultrawide 1440p monitor. It's pretty amazing.
I'm not shilling Asus, I truly hope other manufacturers follow their blueprint. So many gaming laptops are good at gaming and bad at everything else.
The Zephyrus has a huge glass track pad, solid keyboard, is lightweight and relatively thin, has a quality 1440p display, good battery life, impressive speakers and it doesn't have the ugly Alienware gamer aesthetic. If you turn the keyboard backlighting to white, most people wouldn't even know it's a gaming laptop. It's been everything I've ever wanted in a gaming laptop and it's been over a year since I've owned it. It's such a brilliant piece of tech.
People compare it to the Lenovo Legion series and they just aren't in the same class imo. I bought both and returned the Lenovo. The Legion has a slight bump in performance but at the expense of everything else. The Lenovo is slightly better if you always have it plugged into a monitor at home. But just build a desktop if that's your goal. I hope Lenovo and Dell can follow that path. Razer does a great job as well but they're overpriced and Razers QC is not great.
I want my fridge to play music like that whenever I open it
For what it's worth that's not at all hard to achieve.
@@oliverer3 Honestly sounds like a fun project, at least as it comes to dealing with low temps and condensation proofing.
@@Finwolven Cover it in epoxy, piezo speaker, wired to the fridge light.
you know, your fridge already has a switch to toggle a light when you open it. it would not be hard to wire a speaker to that ;)
There's probably an arduino for that.
it's worth noting that Nvidia optimus (what's normally used for switching cpu igpus and dGPUs) is some very weird software on linux
I was just thinking as he listed the specs and said it runs Linux, that shipping a laptop with an Nvidia GPU with Linux was probably not the best idea for the average end-user, especially if you take external monitors into account.
Not really, it works fine on X11
Yeah, honestly, as much as it pains me to say, there are cases when Linux is a bitch to set up. And it's on nvidia GPU's. Which is of course mostly the fault of nvidia themselves, but a casual user won't giva shit, it doesn't work but it does on Windows, so the blame goes on Linux. It's better to run AMD GPU's if you plan to use Linux. In comparison to what we saw in the video, running a Radeon is a pretty smooth experience and these days they are really not worse than nvidia honestly. At least not for gaming which is the most common use scenario.
I had a laptop that did that GPU switching thing in college, and I tried to run it with Linux -- I fought with it for years and still never got it to work. Granted, that was like 7-10 years ago, hopefully it's a bit better now, but at least half of the reason I put an AMD GPU in my current system was sheer spite over that experience.
If they let you use both batteries at the same time, you could hit swap without shutting down, and maybe get a bit over an hour when playing games
I would imagine that this laptop would benefit greatly from one of those lga 1700 brackets that gamersnexus tested
Would definitely be interesting to see if it would fit the custom shaped laptop motherboard.
@@stoffers6419 the retention mechanism looked pretty bog standard...
The reason for the GPU not working correctly is probably because the Ubuntu installation was not set up with SecureBoot correctly so the GPU driver was not signed and the nVidia GPU not running at all during all the process. The achieved ~120fps maybe originated from the integrated Iris Xe graphics being used for CS:GO in the second attempt.
Switching to the nVidia device only then caused the system to halt on startup because of missing SecureBoot keys.
Could be anything else aswell. It's still Linux.
Oh jeez.. Never thought of secure boot.. 😅
Small correction. The processor that was used is an i7-12700 desktop CPU. It has an integrated UHD Graphics 770 chip instead of Iris Xe. The benchmarks on this Chip for CS:GO seem to be fitting to what we saw in the video.
"Did you do something to offend a penguin at some point...?" - Anthony, 2023. I think that was comic gold, and explains everything that has ever gone wrong with Linus and Linux.
Can we PLEASE have a video of Anthony fixing & explaining the Linux issues for Linus?
If it needs to be "explained" its not worth using day to day
@@wolf986 you have a point but you forget that you already learned how to use windows and do certain things with it. That was certainly not just intuition as well.
@@feschber I dont have to "recombobulate the kernel" to install drivers either
@@wolf986 actually you don't need to do anything to install drivers in Linux. They are all included in the kernel. Nvidia is the sole exception because they don't want to open source their drivers. But even Nvidia drivers are installed with a single command.
Apart from that some very obscure wifi cards might not work but that is quite rare as well
@@wolf986the system in this video broke because the customizations the manufacturer put were broken, not because of linux
With current desktops and laptops having difficulty cooling their respective current chips, I can't imagine a 12700 desktop chip in a laptop being a good thing.
Yeah, it's a weird choice. Also because it's Intel. I mean, if this would be an AMD CPU in Zen 2, it would make much more sense, as those CPUs can work with reasonable power draw, and you can also upgrade it later. On Intel, even if Alder Lake is pretty ok, if not pushed to the max, it's still an i7, I do think it needs some power. Also, I don't know how much you can upgrade it. An i9 wouldn't make much sense, because of too much power draw. And Raptor Lake... if I'm not mistaken it will work in the same socket. But for the same power draw, I think it would make a very little upgrade. I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah for real why not put in like a 5600x instead even then doesn't seem like much cooling for that lol.... Gonna have to strap a hyper 212 to that bitch haha
If I had to guess I'd say the undervolt it by default, but I don't know if that's what they actually do.
Love how he takes it apart on and plugged in 🤣
My mind: "Hey! That looks like a.. yup a Clevo".
What we can take away from this: Don't get the "Ubuntu Custom" variant because they give you an unstable Linux distribution version without proper graphics drivers installed.
they only do that type of nice stuff for Linus.
I wouldn't go for Ubuntu anyway, back when i used Ubuntu in 2012, those error messages were a regular thing. also what customization have they done? this looks like a pretty standard installation.. also you can smell the incompetence (or trolling KEKW) - i mean, come on... setting up a NVIDIA based laptop with linux without installing the proprietary driver? They probably installed it, got to the desktop and said "welp its working, lets ship it"..
Also this is clearly a PRIME/Optimus laptop, because I've heard that its dogshit on linux. if youre gonna ship something like that with Linux - don't.. nvidia dont care about multi-gpu on linux, its a very hit-or miss situation, and running anything on the other GPU requires setting a command or launch option before launching the app, its not automatic based on utilization, there's no functionality like on windows to open a GUI and tell it which apps you want on which GPU. Just go dedicated with the built in disabled. or no dedicated at all.
In short, this is not how you do a pre-installed linux on a laptop. Its doable, but they clearly have a lot of work to do to make it easier for the end user.
Aaand just checked the site.. under "Os support" it says linux and even BSD... true enough, but there's no option to buy the Linux version outright (the only option is windows) unless its deeper in the purchase screens.. meaning yes, it "works" but this isnt something they usually do.
While I hate Ubuntu with a burning passion, it is stable. Linus just broke it. The small line he typed in at 14:52 is all he had to do. Instead, he decided to fuck with the driver, which of course, given that he has no Idea what he is doing went horribly wrong…
@@richardk2n Non-LTS Ubuntu certainly isn't stable.
You can literally see background jobs randomly crashing and the "report problem" message popping up in the video.
@@MrDarkbluewater Most computers shipping with Linux that I saw, came with LTS Ubuntu.
The thing is he clearly messed with the OS, he obviously messed up drivers and has a history of lying about what he did to the Linux distros he broke on purpose (don't tell me force installing old packages against the explicit advice of the OS like he did to that Pop OS that he references in this video is not on purpose). At this point the OS obviously has issues, but I am willing to blame his doings for those.
Windows restarts while you're asleep so you just don't notice it
Eurorra provides a generous warranty... Other companies could learn from the example
Well, at $5K, they better would!
@@Winnetou17 Seems like that's 3 years longer warranty than LTTStore, clear winner there.
Because they just slap a shell on top and sell for 5k$ a laptop that is worth 2k$
I love when Linus struggle with Linux. It should be a series
Donno man... hes very much giving Linux a bad name just bc hes unwilling to learn... Don't get me wrong, I don't think Linux is noobfriendly and this should be worked on by the coders but to set up your Linux well enough you don't need a degree in computer science or be able to write your own py-scripts (even tho it helps immensely). But Linus goes out of his way to make meme vids about him beeing boomer-mode for some clicks which would be fine if he was not the biggest tech channel on yt...Nobody said Linux is easy... but it ain't that hard either
@@Jacknzyeah To be honest, not a bad idea: Give it a mixture of Linus breaking things and Anthony running through the problem as a notorious way of battle-testing Linux and highlighting things for Linux developers to fix. We know they're watching...
@@PixLgams This is A really good idea... Waiting for the series 🙂
How do people have the balls to open a running laptop? I have to shut it down and disconnect the battery before I dare touch anything
This mirrors my experience with Linux impressively closely since forever.
Meh, sometimes I'll never touch the terminal, not install anything, and Linux machines will shit themselves. It's super finicky with anything other than a console only build.
for me linux is like windows 98, a desktop environnement on a command line system that needs tons of reboots.
@@LiveType he's using a heavily modified ubuntu and it was probably modified by the laptop company by people who do not know what they're doing, doesn't really surprise me that it's buggy. a vanilla ZorinOS or Ubuntu install would never give problems like that on compatible hardware
@@Tailslol tons of reboots? I can almost bet you've never touched anything other than Ubuntu for more than 2 minutes.
@@yoman9446 and there crawls the Linux cave troll out of his cave to tell us about his "much better distro that is absolutely 100% perfect" lol
when you said “custom ubuntu” i was expecting wide linus themed everything
Kudos for Linux for not killing Colton on the spot for the horrific picture on the top of the lid.
i have been using linux for the past 5 years, and linus had more issues with linux than me in just 10 minutes
No seriously, though... how does he do it? I've never experienced these bugs with OBS while consistently distrohopping (always used flatpak version though.... maybe he used something else? Since Anthony told him to get flatpak after OBS was already there?)
Nvidia driver is still pain though
@@jamhamtime1878 yeah it's probably the nvidia driver's fault, that's why i stick to amd powered machines
For anyone wondering, Clevo laptops like that are known for two things; very hot thermals, and no battery life.
I paid $799 CAD for the Gigabyte white label version of this Clevo chassis.
There's a big difference between
- shipping it as Linux laptop and specifying Anthony should review it as the Linux master of the channel.
And
-sending it improperly setup and letting Linus the Linux Jinx review it. Instead of sending it with Windows which he knows how to operate
How are we supposed to actually know if it is worth the money when the hardware is so severely hampered by their terrible install that CS:GO at like 100fps is still tearing worse then gas station toilet paper.
My impression after this is that it's a terrible laptop with a fancy exterior from a company that doesn't give 2 shits about how their product preforms in a customers hands.
Leave the trolling Linus shenanigans to Dbrand. At least when they do it it's actually funny and makes their product look good instead of making it look cringy and disappointing.
Linus looking at the camera as Anthony starts explaing Linux is hilarius
Ubuntu Linux is kinda broken though, TBH. I tried to dual-boot it back in the Win 7 days, it corrupted my bootloader and I had to delete everything and do a fresh Win install.
Mint, on the other hand, I've been using for almost two years now without issue.
LTT needs to have a shirt in the store that says "I didn't do anything!"
I support this
@@melissers5282 With a dead Linux penguin below?
3 Year warranty? So 3 years longer than the LTT Backpack!
Heavy packaging makes the actual product feel lighter. At least on first impression.
I'd really want to see another take on this device with windows on it. I feel like the video didn't really show it in the best light
it didnt really show it performing at all to be honest lmao, just the build quality and ubuntu troubleshooting (which i imagine is not the purpose of getting one)
Its a 12700 and a 3070ti for 5000 dollars... What is there to know about the performance aside from this being a cute toy for someone that really doesn't know what do to with the 3000 extra this cost from a machine with the same performance
@@a3-radio
Its a Clevo, literally the same machine without the carbon fibre lid, its ~2000$ so damn good guess lol
Windows? It's just a poor choice of distro they've made. A decent reliable distro like openSUSE, Debian, Fedora or Arch would be killer with this boi.
@@a3-radio Yeah it's definitely an extremely expensive premium added with little to no real world benefit.
One of the most fun ShortCurcuit videos!!!!! I want more ones like this!