You can do that with the average Linux user, but do that to the average Windows user and you will end up with so many helpdesk calls of confused customers. Sad reality.
That is cool. I was wondering if that was editable, like, can you choose to remove certain fields from the json, or perhaps add one (if you know what is).
7:25 This reminds me a lot of how the Steam Hardware Survey shows you all the data it gathered before sending it off. More companies should offer this, even if it's just a JSON dump. Analytics doesn't have to be bad!
Unfortunately, they're kind of useless if they're opt-in. Linux suffers massively from having opt-in analytics. Developers would know what they're wasting time on if it wasn't. It should be opted out but something that you can click a check mark on during installation. Otherwise all the data is highly skewed.
@@PhysicsGamer no, it's worth it. It should be opt out so the people who actually care about that kind of thing can exclude themselves. Normal people don't care, and this information is only helpful if you get it from the majority of users.
@@MrGamelover23 This really does sound like a not-my-problem situation. Why should I have to hunt through menus to opt out of something? Yeah it's a tragedy of the commons to a point, but the difference is that not many especially care about this particular "common" and many actively dislike it. Though in my case I like to take the additional step of not opting-out but rather scrambling my telemetry, in a lot of cases. It amuses me to think what that winds up doing to their final data.
That chassis is identical to the 840 G7/G8. I work with those machine on a daily basis. Common issues I see are partially damaged speakers and some oddities with the USB-C ports (not charging, not passing through display signal), otherwise no complaints. Beware of the keyboard though, it is hard mounted to the chassis. If it breaks it is not something that can easily be replace DIY. HP support has been great though when issues do come up.
Same! Although we're running 845 instead of 840 (it's the Ryzen version) and it's specced pretty much identically to the one Anthony is using. The only major difference is that the 845 G8 Elitebook is that it has the cool Spectre logo. Also a lot of issues with the shutter in that a lot of users bump it when opening and don't realize it
@@DasGanon that is a pretty common complaint I have gotten too. We close them by default and most users don't actually realize they are there, which is fair. So we will get calls and have to walk them through it.
As a developer, I find thunderbolt very useful because I always dock my laptop and run out of internal storage. Thunderbolt solves both issues very well although I can live with usbc.
When HP wants to make an upgradeable machine, they can make a damn good upgradeable machine. Worked with some older HP laptops when I worked in IT, and those did pretty well
Agree. My HP laptops were pretty easy to open and upgrade. While before that I had old Dell XPS which used to performance machines not ultra portables of today. I could only RAM through a small compartment at bottom. Other than this for everything you had disassemble complete motherboard. It was pain in the ass.
Pretty sure this review unit is a repurposed mid-range ProBook 600 lineup, though I could be wrong. EliteBook 800 series have nicer chassis and a redesigned, slick looking HP logo.
yes, unfortunately, that's not where the money is. supplying businesses who don't care or don't know any better with overheating machines with planned obsolescence now that's where the money is.
Think this is a great move from HP. The first thing I noticed many years ago when playing around with Pop OS was how they managed to create a very relaxing environment purely with their color scheme.
@@sebastianwendl603 i think it's best to try it in virtualbox. Never tried Linux Mint but out of Ubuntu, Debian, Pop!OS and a 4th I can't remember I liked Pop!OS best. But it was mostly for the setup and the GUI in my case.
@@sebastianwendl603 compared to other linux distros yeah! I'm currently using a mix of RHEL and Fedora for work n home, and yeah somethings pop just does OOTB that others don't. Also I stole the pop-shell extension from pop os and put it in fedora
I'm surprised by Anthony praising this so much. This looks identical to HP's business lineup with the Elitebooks and Z-books. It literally just looks like one of those with Linux installed. The screws being captive, the raised wedge, the physical webcam shutter, the internal layout, the external layout, the upgradeability; it's all identical to HP's business lineup. I don't think HP has done anything in particular with this laptop, it is just an elitebook (looks *identical* to the 845) with Pop! OS.
Because it is an Elitebook without Windows And I hate Elitebooks, but much less than those thick Dell Inspirons. Still, they're all a bunch of loud and terrible laptops
The whole point of this is being first-party hardware you don't have to wipe windows and install Linux on it. Not all people (dev included) are interested in messing with Secure Boot and boot order.
It looks like a off color hp elitebook g8. I've been really satisfied with how good hp is on keeping their stuff serviceable. No funky screws or adhesive. Lots of modularity is pretty common in the elitebooks. Great video guys.
well i look at the spec of it and it’s not that great but if you only use it for work then it’s fine just import it from mexico to india tten to your country
HP it's killing it about upgradability these recent years, especially if it has a Ryzen in it (I haven't used an Intel-powered one yet, but since they look almost the same, I think it's the same deal on those too). They're not exactly Framework with their modules and such, but the "HP Spare" parts have been the thing that I enjoy the most from them as a technician that repairs laptops and desktops for a living.
This is really cool. Especially for the price. I've long been a Lenovo T-series user, but I hate that they have gone to soldered RAM. Love that this has user-replacable RAM and also a pointing stick (which I strongly prefer to touch pads). Having something designed for Linux is a bonus (though, to be fair, the T-series has always run well with CentOS/Rocky). If only this had built-in ethernet and a matte-surface LCD, I would buy one immediately. Anyway, nice job, HP and System76.
I have the elitebook 850 G8 its the same exact chasis but the 15.6" version with an extra ssd slot, 4G slot, matte display. You can go for the probook which has a very similar chasis and has an ethernet port but sadly no pointing stick
As a developer I would say the thunderbolt connection is actuallu super important. Where I work we use "hybrid work" - meaning we work 2 days from office and 3 days from home - so ability to connect to docking stations by just one cable is suuuper important and convinient
This is just a rebranded EliteBook 845 G8 but they removed the 4G card/2nd ssd slot...... Does explain why it's such nice quality and so modular though. Business laptops should really get more attention in my opinion. They often have useful extra features like an extra b-key m.2 slot for cellular modem cards that can also be used for an extra ssd or really whatever b-key device you can think of (there's even software defined radios that fit in that slot lol).
business laptops are real laptops the other ones are toys for kids, apple sells both in one so their pricing is business but targets kids. if HP and Lenovo only serves this type of laptops Mac would be in serious problem.
It was what made me click the video. My days when handling HP laptops for work suddenly flash before my eyes. Haha. At least it has upgraded specs and parts.
I bought an HP laptop and desktop in college and after all the drivers started breaking one by one with every major Windows update I was ready to swear them off forever. but I found the local university sold their old business laptops (g2's/g3's) for cheap and they were amazing!
Brings me back, i'm a computer/software engineer and in my younger days would always sport the Sony Vaio SZ line of laptops (the best next to the MBP), this HP gives me the SZ kinda vibe (minus all the latest tech in the laptop eco system)
It is nice that they list specs for their laptops otherwise. I guess they realize no one will buy it if they don't know what it is. It may be junk or unsuitable for someone's intended use, they would not be able to decide on it without knowing. Maybe it comes with a WiFi card that is known to not work well with their router. Sure a lot of times those can be changed out but not everyone knows how to do that. I know a lot of people who don't get into the technical stuff and just want it to work.
@@jorgebustillos8469 It probably does. I have an HP from last year that does both the barrel and USB. I only use the barrel when running intensive tasks.
They somewhat did it's just the hp elitebook g8 with pop OS. I assume it should be easy to get the pop os on it. Edit: it is not. They removed the smartcard and celular modem options. (the modem is in m.2 slot, you can get elitebook without it and just add ssd or something)
That is cool but I would also like it if instead of just having 1 USB-C port for charging have it like have 3 or 4 USB-C ports that can also do charging so if you want you can charge it from the left side of the device for right handed people or the reverse side if you are right handed. And if they were all capable of charging say you had something plugged into the port that should be used for charging you don't have to unplug that device to charge the laptop.
You can charge all recent HP laptops via USB-C as well, even the rather old Elitebook G5 can be charged via USB-C. I think its great that HP offers multiple ways to charge the laptop, this way you can use the USB-C ports for other purpose or ignore a broken port.
Looks like the current HP Elitebook - same machine in just slightly different color and with different branding. But servicing / upgrading / maintaining the whole Elitebook like was always pretty great - had few of them across several generations (since Core 2 Duo era), HP provides all drivers, documentation, easy access to all important components.
I very much like having a second m.2 drive of the exact same size as my main one (Lemur Pro). I can dd the entire boot drive to the second drive if I am at all concerned that an OS upgrade or some other thing I'm doing I may want to completely roll back.
Looks great. I really appreciate how it's engineered and knowing you can upgrade or repair it if ports go bad. That was the one thing I loved about my Vaio. You could do anything with it
I used to be a field tech for HP and would have to do full teardowns of laptops like this in the field and I can't even tell you how long I fought to get things like captive screws in the bottom cover. Really saved my bacon once when I had to do a full motherboard swap on the hood of my car in a parking lot. No, I'm no joking. The battery labeling for screws is awesome, but the mother board and all daughter boards are labeled where screws go and usually what they are. There's also labeling to tell you when parts are stacked, which one is the top so you don't get a thing all reassembled only to realize that this one screw was supposed to go through the keyboard THEN through the motherboard. The separate power jack is something pretty common for HPs as well which I also agree was a GODSEND when people inevitably break that gigantic barrel plug they use off.
Wow, I love it! Side note: HP has been doing the "wired barrel jack" thing at least since the DV4 series (2008). I have replaced mine before, circa 2010. It is really neat.
@@girlsdrinkfeck Linux actually works a lot as people want it to. And especially when matching Linux with suited hardware guarantees even more that everything will work fine. 🙏💪
As someone who has repaired or upgraded HP laptops a bunch over the years, shout out to those exposed captive screws on the bottom plate. They definitely have a habit of hiding screws under rubber feet on the consumer grade laptops, and this laptop avoiding that makes me really happy.
The key to them actually finding success with products like these in industry will be all in the aftermarket support. The reason Macs are so popular as industry provided development environments is because they can provide all in one support for the product and upgrade lifecycle. HP are maybe one of the few companies that have that level of scale, so I'm rooting for them. I'd love to be able to work every day on one of these babies instead of a Macbook.
I have had the Dev one since launch, and it is fantastic. I just want to clarify a couple of things. It can change via USB-c It can be upgraded to 64 GB of ram The battery lasts for a long time It supports 2 external 4k 60 monitors + the built-in one The keyboard is great It runs very cold when not compiling something Overall a fantastic laptop. Best in class for $1100. Pop-os is one of, if not the best, Linux distros.
What's the battery life like in real world usage. Would uoi recommend this for a travel book? I am looking for one that let's me work on different projects while. I'm on the move.
Just got my 12th gen Framework laptop for dev work but this honestly looks way better. Shame they only ship to US otherwise I would probably send the Framework back lol.
Reminds me alot of Elitebooks as well from one of my old work which I did some basic troubleshooting. The board is very serviceable and really a godsend. This looks like a rebranded Elitebook or Probook to me, which is great. I wish consumer grade laptops were like this.
Its the same chassis just different internals. The ZBook Firefly and IIRC Studio and Elitebooks typically have several models with the same chassis but different specs. This has been going on for years through the various generations.
If only HP logo wasn’t hideous. But I’m excited to see pop OS being released on a major brand laptop with great build quality. Also as someone with a similar balding pattern as Anthony seeing him on camera confidently going over what he does makes me feel more confident in how I look. I feel silly for admitting it, but it’s the truth.
I work with HP enterprise laptops quite alot. Compared to Dell and Lenovo, it's really no contest. HP is head and shoulders above the competition in build quality and stability. Due to lack of stock we had to buy a bunch of Dell hardware and we've had nothing but issues with them, from hardware issues to BIOS issues to firmware updates that BSOD bootloops the fucking things. issues we've barely experienced with HP in the last 4 years
HPE is for server/enterprise equipment. You might be thinking HP Inc. which is a different company that produces Commercial and consumer desktops, laptops, etc
Lenovo Thinkpads are still the nicest feeling devices on the market, the rubberised texture really gives a premium feel over the standard aluminium everyone else uses.
@@MS-lw1pd My older dell Vostro Is pretty fantastic, and I hate dell, it can do some light gaming with the nvidia MX graphics but what I use it for is basic spreadsheet work and some video & photography editing, it has 2 M.2 slots, upgradable ram and is super easy to access it all. all for £250 used I did need to fit a second stick of ram to unlock proper performance, went from 30fps 900p med in overwatch to 75-80fps 1080p med
I actually had one of the Envy 360's with similar design language. It was a fantastic laptop. The last generation mid and high tier HP's have been fantastic machines.
Pop OS is great. They made Gnome more useable and attractive to me. They also have system recovery partition that can reinstall the OS with or without preserving user data right from the GUI or from boot. And, unfortunate that it can't make it for the laptop, but in 22.10 it'll have btrfs-snapshot too apparently. They really took Linus' experiences to heart and make a system that, if not hard to screw up, then at least easy to recover, making it great for newbie and on laptop like that.
@@Komatik_ Well, they are going to use their own DE next release. I'm going to give that one a chance. While I really like KDE, as long as I can have the Window Rules and a similarly powerful server-side window decoration (unlike gtk's pos useless csd), and a filepicker worth something, then I can live.
@@girlsdrinkfeck except when it decides to update and then suddenly your entire file is encrypted. I just don't have the patience for Windows anymore - I have a workflow, I've optimized my KDE for that workflow, and it is frustrating whenever I use Windows and things just doesn't work as smoothly as I want it to be despite being a paid OS. Tbh I probably wouldn't have any complain if I coule have macOS' aesthetic, reliability, and user experience but with Windows' games, prices, and extensibility. Alas, configuring Linux to work like that is the closest alternative I have.
This laptop is good specially configured for Linux, the hardware can be seen in many different laptops but what makes this unique verse other laptop is the free PopOs support, which the ticketing system is already built in. So yeah definitely a winner.
Yep. Getting 3 4K monitors going you either need TB or you're stuck with sub-par DisplayLink usb-c docks. Plain USB-C docks without displaylink or TB are usually just 1 displayport and no MST.
@@XiaOmegaX AMD currently means no Thunderbolt, but on the other hand, it's an AMD CPU (and iGPU). That's the tradeoff.It's one I'd make in a heartbeat.
This looks pretty great. I would totally consider it for a work laptop if it had an Ethernet port, which is pretty much mandatory for a network engineer.
@@branislavavramovic2601 If I'm in the back of a rack, I just want to plug an Ethernet cable into the side of my machine and use it. I don't want to go searching for a dongle (you never have it when you need it), and baby this thing sticking out the side of my machine to make sure I don't accidentally pull it out or knock it on the rails as I'm pulling the laptop out of the rack.
Thunderbolt is always super useful, if you have too many screens, 20Gbps (especially 10Gbps) is just not enough for like 3 screens, depending on the resolution.
This is the same chassis as the laptops I work on for my job and the metal is SO soft they really can’t take any hits. And to replace the keyboard you have to disassemble the entire computer and it’s attached to the top deck.
This keyboard layout is at least 4 years old. Had one of these at work and I can say it felt nice. The touchpad itself wasn't something to die for, though it did use to include another line of left and right click on the lower side of the touchpad. But the keyboard was above many other laptop keyboards back in the day (imo).
You are right the shield you forgot to put back in is an RF shield for FCC compliance, but it also blocks the memory RF emissions from interferring with the Wifi operation which can be negatively effected by memory bus speed transmissions.
Go HP! If I had the money to spare, that would be a nice upgrade over my old tuxedo laptop. I hope they continue with supplying linux-machines and it not being just a one-off.
Those internals are the minimal in how every laptop should be built by default. Now it is a niche product. Only missing thing in there is a socketed processor.
I mean I get the arrow keys make sense with the keyboard configuration, but as someone who's had multiple laptops with that style arrow keys... You never get used to it and it's always annoying when you aren't looking at your hands to type.
I have used the x360 elitebooks for the last 5 years and I can recommend the HP hardware privacy screen - not the one here that is simply conveniently bad viewing angles of a cheap LCD, but an actual hardware layer on the screen with a dedicated Fn button to make the viewing angle truly fixed within a few degrees. Works amazingly well on a plane and can be turned off for normal use.
I’m interested in how well or not these are selling for HP. I love the idea of having this replace my MacBook as a dev laptop and we have even talked about the possibility at work for getting some for devs who want to be on Linux machines. 👍 great video here
My old HP workstation had buttons for left, right, and middle mouse clicks. As someone that uses middle mouse all the time that was a great feature and I don't understand why no other laptops have that...
Try getting a HP Elitebook 840 G8 (Intel based) or 845 G8 (AMD based), and spec it out to be similar to or even better than the Dev One. It'll be more expensive, though, and you'd have to create a 'super' sticker to cover up the Windows logo key on the keyboard. Plus, you get the options of going smaller or larger as there are 13" and 15" models if I recall correctly. The last time I checked earlier this year, it seems that HP charges more to order them without Windows licences, so I'd recommend getting it with Windows, then creating a Clonezilla image of the factory image before erasing the internal storage and installing Pop OS.
I'd recommend the HP ZBook line. I'm guessing either HP or System76 is apprehensive about doing an international release if they don't have market research to tell them how many PopOS laptops to make in each region. HP is a big OEM so their normal production runs involve things like separate keycaps for each QWERTY Nordic country depending on if the letter Ø or Ö is used.
@@alksdng97834y The core of the machine may be the same, but the extra accessories like the wireless card and webcam may be incompatible with Linux, or may be buggy. At least with the Dev 1 you can be sure that everything will work with Linux.
HP makes some really solid laptops. My first laptop was an HP Compaq 610 that's still alive. Currently using a G8 Ryzen 5 with Garuda Linux and it is indeed as amazing as Anthony makes it seem.
I use an old Probook (6460b) with Ubuntu Mate and 12 gb Ram. I do not code anymore, and use it only for life-related stuff (mail, home banking and so on). But it is an awesomme machine for what I paid for it. Sure it can be noisy from time to time, but it is some 10 years old after all. Just a wonderfull solid piece of machinery for those personal related stuff. And easy to open if I need to remove dust from the fan. Nice size screen as well.
3:30 I could be wrong, but I'm nearly certain that's DC in not AC.. Would be a ton of additional bulk and heat if they integrated the ac-dc adapter inside the laptop.
Anthony you’re a fantastic presenter. I really hope you move to your own channel one day. I no longer wish to give views to Linus after he got offended that people dared to ask for written warranties instead of “trust me bro”
Thank you for opening and showing the internal components. This type of reviews really help taking a decision. My last laptop ram was not upgradable it made me so uncomfortable when I was informed when I was trying to buy new Ram sticks.
I think its more than that No windows key (why would one need it when running gnome) And they collaborated with system76 and there is a chance that battery won't suck on those And the drivers should be an A+
@@austinverlinden2236 Limited features that work reliably for the majority of users is preferable over a larger number of unreliable features. I’ll take a boring, stable platform over a geeked out circus show.
I have one of these and it's exceptional. I'm a massive fan. I've never cared for HP as a brand in the past but the Dev One is something special. I absolutely love the laptop.
@@noktilux4052 95% of the time yes, almost silent. The fans very rarely kick up, and when they do they're not very noisy. I suspect because they didn't try to go absurdly thin with the build, that allows for enough airflow to not need to pack a jet engine sounding fan in there. There's seriously none of that crazy "my laptop sounds like it's trying to take flight" nonsense here, just good quiet operation.
Really looking solid, good quality all around, no real downsides and good price. This is why I like HP, I now currently have a envy x360, and this is also all around great for a good price. Even though it came with windows I installed Linux on it and I have got zero complaints. This dev one seems to replicate the great experience I have with my HP but is even better, bigger screen, more upgradeable, more powerful, better hinge and even if I'm loosing the touchscreen with it, I never really used it in the first place. I also love the direction they are taking by collabing with system 76.
Honestly, that barrel connector will probably last longer than the cables it comes with, unless you're really really really bad about not tripping over cables. I work in a place that this is a lot of those types of laptops, and that is an extremely small, I've never seen it technically, issue for a breakage for HP laptops.
What a wonderful review and getting into everything and yes. That is definitely my next laptop. Anthony, you always do a great job and always enjoy your reviews!
Now the question is: Because the laptop is awesome, or because Anthony reviewed it? Because everything reviewed by Anthony is automatically more interesting
As a Linux enthusiast, it sounds so amazing to hear someone actually has a proper "Linux ecosystem".. Hell, one can even get a Linux phone these days, though they seem somewhat far from "daily driver ready" state, but still :)
It seems pretty decent. The value seems almost too good to be true. I'd like to see the barrel jack replaced, the trackpad centred, and those arrow keys made less garbage. I think those are my biggest complaints. Maybe some more USB ports, especially USB-A. The keyboard in general seems pretty average, especially if it is indeed plastic-welded in place like most laptops are these days. Hopefully they make more iterations on it because it seems decent but it could be better. I like the idea though. Certainly better than any laptop with Windows on it.
This looks like it's based off of the new Elitebook chassis which I like a whole lot! The only thing is that the rubber on the trackpoint wore down very quickly and it was touching the screen when the laptop was closed, it would leave a visible print. But that aside, I really like the Elitebook, so this thing looks fantastic.
The laptop looks like a rebranded Z book. The finish is the same, the design is the same and even the IO setup is the same. The only difference is the operating system
In a way I’m fine with that, but it brings up another issue for me, I’d rather see “dev editions” with Linux drivers and Linux factory installed on all or at least a good number of zbooks/elite books etc instead of just one special edition laptop
At times I really want one of these. Then I think of all the quality issues I've had with the last few HPs I've bought for work and I have to wonder if it would have the same overheating issues I've had on 3 different laptop models so far.
Power delivery and cooling tend to be the Achilles' Heel of HP laptops, even when everything else is perfect. If someone at LMG wants to daily one of these, it probably warrants a full LTT video.
6:59 Excellent demonstration of why I hate glossy screens. Allegedly they make the colours 'more vivid' but, in reality, even the wall behind the laptop is more vivid, so people who state that must... I don't know... live in a darkroom.
I really hope we see more laptops designed to run Linux out of the box in the future. I think this is intended to be the first step for HP testing how it goes with developers. So they have enough time to train their support to help mass users in later iterations of Linux machines. Definitely a good thing to see given that there shouldn't be any big hardware or driver issues with such machines.
The barrel power socket is worth having, as HP's USB-C charging has a habit of failing, while the barrel goes on forever. It is also handy if you want to run multiple monitors from the USB-C ports.
I feel like someone who walked into the room where I thought the beers and party was, but it's accidentally a cooking class. These are some of the nerdiest nerd comments I've ever scrolled through.
NOBODY MOVE! Linux user's eyesight is based on movement. Just turn around, slowly, and click back to your subscription feed. Don't run and don't look directly at the GUI.
As a developer and a amateur IT dude who usually gets the computer stuff done the JSON dump is great to see. I always get asked about cookies and analytics and I cant give them a clear answer on whats being sent other than guessing common data that is sent.
The closed firmware is a huge missed opportunity sadly. Intel ME and other lowlevel spyware is something that would be so great if bigger manufacturers offered affordable options without it.
I was gonna say when you was opening it, "damn this is a nice laptop. Keyboard and mouse as well?! dayum! Whats the catch?" - Launches into PopOS, "ah ok i see"
As someone who's learing CS and getting their IT Certifications via ODIN Project, Coursera and other resources; this is EXACTLY what I've been looking for in a laptop. Definitely picking up one of these as a birthday present to myself this year!
I got an tear in my eye when I saw the RF shielding, and then you din't put it back!!!! As a ham radio operator, a quiet RF enviroment is avsolutely necessary for me, and I hope the new LTT-lab will be testing it.
I've never seen a 'dev' focused/branded laptop that I'd actually want to use for day to day dev work. They always seem to have 16:9 1080p screens and come in the small 14" sizes. Why not 2k 16:10 at least? 15 or 16" variants? Always wind up buying something else and sticking Linux on later. (At the moment, I'm on framework for that 3:2 screen, but even with that I'd really love something bigger)
This looks damn near the same as some business laptops from HP I've been working through at work these last few weeks. Solid frame, the ones I've been going over all seem to have various stages of display death. Mostly because HP just doesn't secure the cables so they come loose and boom no display. The connector itself is really solid but nothing else holds it in so over time no matter how solid it will wiggle loose. Not the most painful repairs all in all. My opinion may change as I've got a water damaged complex repair scheduled for thursday. I'll give them props for the fact I could just plain open and fix them no manual or fiddling needed. Plenty of room and sensible design to just eyeball it. The screen frame being glued however is something I hate and will forever hold against them so 3/10 Edit: "this is really well laid out" and "oh these are captive screws, awesome!" Yeah this is still how these things are as standard in business land. The only unique thing here still seems to be the OS. Everything else seems standard, honestly just looks like a re release of an older product.
The fact that they show you the actual JSON data they're sending should certainly be a standard imo
You can do that with the average Linux user, but do that to the average Windows user and you will end up with so many helpdesk calls of confused customers. Sad reality.
@@BastetFurry Just make it a button "View Details" those who don't know won't click it, those who want to know will.
@@BastetFurry or they can just prettify that JSON to end user
@@spaceriot23 Showing it like how Firefox shows JSON rather than a monochrome text file would probably help.
That is cool. I was wondering if that was editable, like, can you choose to remove certain fields from the json, or perhaps add one (if you know what is).
7:25 This reminds me a lot of how the Steam Hardware Survey shows you all the data it gathered before sending it off. More companies should offer this, even if it's just a JSON dump. Analytics doesn't have to be bad!
Unfortunately, they're kind of useless if they're opt-in. Linux suffers massively from having opt-in analytics. Developers would know what they're wasting time on if it wasn't. It should be opted out but something that you can click a check mark on during installation. Otherwise all the data is highly skewed.
@@MrGamelover23 That sounds like a problem that isn't worth the price of the cure.
@@PhysicsGamer Absolutely
@@PhysicsGamer no, it's worth it. It should be opt out so the people who actually care about that kind of thing can exclude themselves. Normal people don't care, and this information is only helpful if you get it from the majority of users.
@@MrGamelover23 This really does sound like a not-my-problem situation. Why should I have to hunt through menus to opt out of something? Yeah it's a tragedy of the commons to a point, but the difference is that not many especially care about this particular "common" and many actively dislike it.
Though in my case I like to take the additional step of not opting-out but rather scrambling my telemetry, in a lot of cases. It amuses me to think what that winds up doing to their final data.
That chassis is identical to the 840 G7/G8. I work with those machine on a daily basis. Common issues I see are partially damaged speakers and some oddities with the USB-C ports (not charging, not passing through display signal), otherwise no complaints. Beware of the keyboard though, it is hard mounted to the chassis. If it breaks it is not something that can easily be replace DIY. HP support has been great though when issues do come up.
My company got me one last year. But I got one with a intel cpu, and the temps is the only downside for me. Never got any issue with the ports so far.
I have a feeling I know who you work for
Same! Although we're running 845 instead of 840 (it's the Ryzen version) and it's specced pretty much identically to the one Anthony is using.
The only major difference is that the 845 G8 Elitebook is that it has the cool Spectre logo.
Also a lot of issues with the shutter in that a lot of users bump it when opening and don't realize it
@@DasGanon that is a pretty common complaint I have gotten too. We close them by default and most users don't actually realize they are there, which is fair. So we will get calls and have to walk them through it.
@@Funnywargamesman me or someone else? If you mean me, take a shot I am curious.
As a developer, I find thunderbolt very useful because I always dock my laptop and run out of internal storage. Thunderbolt solves both issues very well although I can live with usbc.
Everyone knows this. But this video is an ad.
i would be absolutely happy to see something like a dev benchmarks added to the list of a usual pc/laptop benchmarks, like compiling times
When HP wants to make an upgradeable machine, they can make a damn good upgradeable machine. Worked with some older HP laptops when I worked in IT, and those did pretty well
I've been impressed with the HP Elite Book line. This looks like it's from that line.
I have an elitebook as work laptop (elitebook 835 G8) and it's SO EASY to open and serive it, I love it
Agree. My HP laptops were pretty easy to open and upgrade. While before that I had old Dell XPS which used to performance machines not ultra portables of today. I could only RAM through a small compartment at bottom. Other than this for everything you had disassemble complete motherboard. It was pain in the ass.
Pretty sure this review unit is a repurposed mid-range ProBook 600 lineup, though I could be wrong. EliteBook 800 series have nicer chassis and a redesigned, slick looking HP logo.
yes, unfortunately, that's not where the money is. supplying businesses who don't care or don't know any better with overheating machines with planned obsolescence now that's where the money is.
Think this is a great move from HP. The first thing I noticed many years ago when playing around with Pop OS was how they managed to create a very relaxing environment purely with their color scheme.
I'm currently using Linux Mint, because it's so easy to use. But all that pop!OS-praising got me thinking, is it really THAT good?
@@sebastianwendl603 i think it's best to try it in virtualbox. Never tried Linux Mint but out of Ubuntu, Debian, Pop!OS and a 4th I can't remember I liked Pop!OS best. But it was mostly for the setup and the GUI in my case.
@@sebastianwendl603 compared to other linux distros yeah! I'm currently using a mix of RHEL and Fedora for work n home, and yeah somethings pop just does OOTB that others don't. Also I stole the pop-shell extension from pop os and put it in fedora
I'm surprised by Anthony praising this so much. This looks identical to HP's business lineup with the Elitebooks and Z-books. It literally just looks like one of those with Linux installed. The screws being captive, the raised wedge, the physical webcam shutter, the internal layout, the external layout, the upgradeability; it's all identical to HP's business lineup. I don't think HP has done anything in particular with this laptop, it is just an elitebook (looks *identical* to the 845) with Pop! OS.
Because it is an Elitebook without Windows
And I hate Elitebooks, but much less than those thick Dell Inspirons. Still, they're all a bunch of loud and terrible laptops
The whole point of this is being first-party hardware you don't have to wipe windows and install Linux on it. Not all people (dev included) are interested in messing with Secure Boot and boot order.
Only thing I noticed as different is the lack of the "premium" HP logo.
@@pleepler pray-tell? I’m quite partial to elitebooks, given how serviceable they are, even compared to Thinkpads.
@@pleepler inspiron isn't a comparison to elitebook. It would be the precision which I use for work and the new ones are basically like xps chassis
It looks like a off color hp elitebook g8. I've been really satisfied with how good hp is on keeping their stuff serviceable. No funky screws or adhesive. Lots of modularity is pretty common in the elitebooks. Great video guys.
"Could this be my next laptop?"
> Available for purchase in the U.S. only
Guess Anthony is taking the sample home with him
well i look at the spec of it and it’s not that great but if you only use it for work then it’s fine just import it from mexico to india tten to your country
they travel to the USA sometimes, so not really a problem, still a review after some months would be nice
"Could this specific one be my next laptop?"
@@IMarvinTPA maybe if you have the money for
@@6891s The quote isn't for me, it is what Anthony has to be saying since the laptop isn't available in Canada.
HP it's killing it about upgradability these recent years, especially if it has a Ryzen in it (I haven't used an Intel-powered one yet, but since they look almost the same, I think it's the same deal on those too).
They're not exactly Framework with their modules and such, but the "HP Spare" parts have been the thing that I enjoy the most from them as a technician that repairs laptops and desktops for a living.
This is really cool. Especially for the price. I've long been a Lenovo T-series user, but I hate that they have gone to soldered RAM. Love that this has user-replacable RAM and also a pointing stick (which I strongly prefer to touch pads). Having something designed for Linux is a bonus (though, to be fair, the T-series has always run well with CentOS/Rocky). If only this had built-in ethernet and a matte-surface LCD, I would buy one immediately. Anyway, nice job, HP and System76.
Lenovo or thinkpad runs perfectly fine in fedora, their own engineers use that.
I have the elitebook 850 G8 its the same exact chasis but the 15.6" version with an extra ssd slot, 4G slot, matte display. You can go for the probook which has a very similar chasis and has an ethernet port but sadly no pointing stick
If I remember correctly the HP Dev One is basically meant to be a lenovo thinkpad which have been popular linux laptops for some time.
no, the lenovo E or the thinkbook series uses a linux-incompatible fingerprint scanner for years now
I just wish the HP had a middle button for the pointing stick. I exclusively use that to scroll through websites and documents.
As a developer I would say the thunderbolt connection is actuallu super important. Where I work we use "hybrid work" - meaning we work 2 days from office and 3 days from home - so ability to connect to docking stations by just one cable is suuuper important and convinient
intrigued - what would I miss out on with a USB-C non-Thunderbolt docking station? Just display resolution/Hz ?
@@miff227Mainly how much you can connect to it
This is just a rebranded EliteBook 845 G8 but they removed the 4G card/2nd ssd slot......
Does explain why it's such nice quality and so modular though. Business laptops should really get more attention in my opinion. They often have useful extra features like an extra b-key m.2 slot for cellular modem cards that can also be used for an extra ssd or really whatever b-key device you can think of (there's even software defined radios that fit in that slot lol).
business laptops are real laptops the other ones are toys for kids, apple sells both in one so their pricing is business but targets kids. if HP and Lenovo only serves this type of laptops Mac would be in serious problem.
It was what made me click the video. My days when handling HP laptops for work suddenly flash before my eyes. Haha. At least it has upgraded specs and parts.
This is just a rebranded EliteBook 845 G8 but they removed the 4G card/2nd ssd slot......You left out "but costs more money"... Fixed....
I bought an HP laptop and desktop in college and after all the drivers started breaking one by one with every major Windows update I was ready to swear them off forever. but I found the local university sold their old business laptops (g2's/g3's) for cheap and they were amazing!
@@DarkP1 I have an HP 840 G7 and I will never buy one of those for me. I really hate those laptops
Brings me back, i'm a computer/software engineer and in my younger days would always sport the Sony Vaio SZ line of laptops (the best next to the MBP), this HP gives me the SZ kinda vibe (minus all the latest tech in the laptop eco system)
god i miss vaio and their micro tweaking
As a HP commercial system engineer I can say specs are hard to come by internally as well. R&D guys keep them under lock and key.
6850U, DDR5, PCIe5 NVME ? Elitebooks have it, also T14, X13, even 13s by Lenovo...
It is nice that they list specs for their laptops otherwise. I guess they realize no one will buy it if they don't know what it is. It may be junk or unsuitable for someone's intended use, they would not be able to decide on it without knowing. Maybe it comes with a WiFi card that is known to not work well with their router. Sure a lot of times those can be changed out but not everyone knows how to do that. I know a lot of people who don't get into the technical stuff and just want it to work.
No usb c charger? Really?
@@jorgebustillos8469 It probably does. I have an HP from last year that does both the barrel and USB. I only use the barrel when running intensive tasks.
@@jorgebustillos8469 Look at the symbols between the USB-C ports. 3:24 Looks like they support power as well.
Kudos to HP! Hope that they launch outside US too.
No, the Kudo is a system76 laptop not a HP laptop.
@@theredtechengineer1480 explain the HP branding then
@@theredtechengineer1480 HP created the laptop and worked with system76 on the software and a few other things.
They somewhat did it's just the hp elitebook g8 with pop OS. I assume it should be easy to get the pop os on it.
Edit: it is not. They removed the smartcard and celular modem options. (the modem is in m.2 slot, you can get elitebook without it and just add ssd or something)
@@Watchandlearn91 whooooosh
i wish more laptops would just come with a usb-c charging port
same tbh, i just want to use one single cable and charge all my tech devices
That is cool but I would also like it if instead of just having 1 USB-C port for charging have it like have 3 or 4 USB-C ports that can also do charging so if you want you can charge it from the left side of the device for right handed people or the reverse side if you are right handed. And if they were all capable of charging say you had something plugged into the port that should be used for charging you don't have to unplug that device to charge the laptop.
No, barrel ports are more reliable
@@starfox863 dont care, dont want a million different chargers
You can charge all recent HP laptops via USB-C as well, even the rather old Elitebook G5 can be charged via USB-C.
I think its great that HP offers multiple ways to charge the laptop, this way you can use the USB-C ports for other purpose or ignore a broken port.
3:30 that's a DC power jack, don't put AC directly into your laptop!
@Глеб Сальманов a good way to end a career !
@@benmol_ or worse
Putting AC electricity into a DC battery will ki1l you
Looks like the current HP Elitebook - same machine in just slightly different color and with different branding. But servicing / upgrading / maintaining the whole Elitebook like was always pretty great - had few of them across several generations (since Core 2 Duo era), HP provides all drivers, documentation, easy access to all important components.
I typically despise HP but this actually looks very nice. Would consider it if the price is right. A second m.2 slot would have been great though.
$1099
I was the same way, but my latest work laptop is an HP and the quality seems much higher than it used to be, think they are doing a better job now.
I very much like having a second m.2 drive of the exact same size as my main one (Lemur Pro). I can dd the entire boot drive to the second drive if I am at all concerned that an OS upgrade or some other thing I'm doing I may want to completely roll back.
HP Z is separate division. It comes at a high price but very worth it.
@@mamaharumi if you think this slightly overpriced, I’d love to know what you’d recommend with similar specs and size
Looks great. I really appreciate how it's engineered and knowing you can upgrade or repair it if ports go bad. That was the one thing I loved about my Vaio. You could do anything with it
I'm always down for some Anthony linux content!
Linux is actually his surname.
I used to be a field tech for HP and would have to do full teardowns of laptops like this in the field and I can't even tell you how long I fought to get things like captive screws in the bottom cover. Really saved my bacon once when I had to do a full motherboard swap on the hood of my car in a parking lot. No, I'm no joking.
The battery labeling for screws is awesome, but the mother board and all daughter boards are labeled where screws go and usually what they are. There's also labeling to tell you when parts are stacked, which one is the top so you don't get a thing all reassembled only to realize that this one screw was supposed to go through the keyboard THEN through the motherboard.
The separate power jack is something pretty common for HPs as well which I also agree was a GODSEND when people inevitably break that gigantic barrel plug they use off.
Oh the “Launch Keyboard Actually”. I hadn’t seen the actually version until today.
There's actually a new cheaper version of the launch keyboard.
Wow, I love it!
Side note: HP has been doing the "wired barrel jack" thing at least since the DV4 series (2008).
I have replaced mine before, circa 2010. It is really neat.
Worth a comparison to windows laptops in this segment too. shaving $100 off the sticker price is a significant improvement in terms of value
time is money and when linux NEVER works how anyone wants it to, its not worth saving the windows licence ...
@@girlsdrinkfeck It is if you intend to strip the windows off the pc the moment you get it and install linux.
@@girlsdrinkfeck yeah, it doesn't stalk you like Windows. But I guess you love to have to be stalked.
@@girlsdrinkfeck Linux actually works a lot as people want it to. And especially when matching Linux with suited hardware guarantees even more that everything will work fine. 🙏💪
@@ArniesTech yes its fine when its in a preconfigured package ,but the normal PC user with a sex life cannot be arsed
As someone who has repaired or upgraded HP laptops a bunch over the years, shout out to those exposed captive screws on the bottom plate. They definitely have a habit of hiding screws under rubber feet on the consumer grade laptops, and this laptop avoiding that makes me really happy.
I installed Pop OS just a day ago, the timing is spot on!
I'm only hearing about it today. how do you like it?
might have to check it out as im starting to dabble in linux
I use Fedora. PopOS is also really good.
I feel like you should switch. PopOS is genuinely a mid Linux distro. Arch is better for more experienced users
Zorilla is one of the best for new users coming from Windows
We've got a nipple, right there. It feels really good actually.
-Anthony Young 2022
I love it when Anthony gets excited about something. Great video!
That nipple though!
😂
The key to them actually finding success with products like these in industry will be all in the aftermarket support. The reason Macs are so popular as industry provided development environments is because they can provide all in one support for the product and upgrade lifecycle. HP are maybe one of the few companies that have that level of scale, so I'm rooting for them. I'd love to be able to work every day on one of these babies instead of a Macbook.
I have had the Dev one since launch, and it is fantastic. I just want to clarify a couple of things.
It can change via USB-c
It can be upgraded to 64 GB of ram
The battery lasts for a long time
It supports 2 external 4k 60 monitors + the built-in one
The keyboard is great
It runs very cold when not compiling something
Overall a fantastic laptop. Best in class for $1100.
Pop-os is one of, if not the best, Linux distros.
What's the battery life like in real world usage. Would uoi recommend this for a travel book? I am looking for one that let's me work on different projects while. I'm on the move.
Just got my 12th gen Framework laptop for dev work but this honestly looks way better. Shame they only ship to US otherwise I would probably send the Framework back lol.
It looks exactly like the Z book by HP that I use for work. They are actually good laptops, really expensive tho.
Reminds me alot of Elitebooks as well from one of my old work which I did some basic troubleshooting. The board is very serviceable and really a godsend. This looks like a rebranded Elitebook or Probook to me, which is great. I wish consumer grade laptops were like this.
Its the same chassis just different internals. The ZBook Firefly and IIRC Studio and Elitebooks typically have several models with the same chassis but different specs. This has been going on for years through the various generations.
Yes this is the Elitebook 840? I've dealt with these before, they look the same on the inside and out basically.
With only a single 720p camera and no touchscreen, a ripoff too.
@@kornkernel2232 a e r
If only HP logo wasn’t hideous. But I’m excited to see pop OS being released on a major brand laptop with great build quality. Also as someone with a similar balding pattern as Anthony seeing him on camera confidently going over what he does makes me feel more confident in how I look. I feel silly for admitting it, but it’s the truth.
I work with HP enterprise laptops quite alot. Compared to Dell and Lenovo, it's really no contest. HP is head and shoulders above the competition in build quality and stability. Due to lack of stock we had to buy a bunch of Dell hardware and we've had nothing but issues with them, from hardware issues to BIOS issues to firmware updates that BSOD bootloops the fucking things. issues we've barely experienced with HP in the last 4 years
Dell is the worst, the hardware they give or advice is on of the worst.
HPE is for server/enterprise equipment. You might be thinking HP Inc. which is a different company that produces Commercial and consumer desktops, laptops, etc
Lenovo Thinkpads are still the nicest feeling devices on the market, the rubberised texture really gives a premium feel over the standard aluminium everyone else uses.
@@MS-lw1pd My older dell Vostro Is pretty fantastic, and I hate dell, it can do some light gaming with the nvidia MX graphics but what I use it for is basic spreadsheet work and some video & photography editing, it has 2 M.2 slots, upgradable ram and is super easy to access it all.
all for £250 used
I did need to fit a second stick of ram to unlock proper performance, went from 30fps 900p med in overwatch to 75-80fps 1080p med
on the consumer side: they lock down the option to limit the battery charge to their expensive lineups, like the Envy
I actually had one of the Envy 360's with similar design language. It was a fantastic laptop. The last generation mid and high tier HP's have been fantastic machines.
Pop OS is great. They made Gnome more useable and attractive to me. They also have system recovery partition that can reinstall the OS with or without preserving user data right from the GUI or from boot. And, unfortunate that it can't make it for the laptop, but in 22.10 it'll have btrfs-snapshot too apparently. They really took Linus' experiences to heart and make a system that, if not hard to screw up, then at least easy to recover, making it great for newbie and on laptop like that.
It's a pity Pop doesn't run KDE. Tried GNOME and I just can't.
@@Komatik_ Well, they are going to use their own DE next release. I'm going to give that one a chance. While I really like KDE, as long as I can have the Window Rules and a similarly powerful server-side window decoration (unlike gtk's pos useless csd), and a filepicker worth something, then I can live.
As much as Pop wants to be seen as a dev os it really isn't though.
windos is better ,cuz it works ,only neckbeard nerds love spending 80% of their time in t nerminal making it work
@@girlsdrinkfeck except when it decides to update and then suddenly your entire file is encrypted. I just don't have the patience for Windows anymore - I have a workflow, I've optimized my KDE for that workflow, and it is frustrating whenever I use Windows and things just doesn't work as smoothly as I want it to be despite being a paid OS.
Tbh I probably wouldn't have any complain if I coule have macOS' aesthetic, reliability, and user experience but with Windows' games, prices, and extensibility. Alas, configuring Linux to work like that is the closest alternative I have.
13:30 I like how Anthony closes it up without replacing the memory/NVME shield.
This laptop is good specially configured for Linux, the hardware can be seen in many different laptops but what makes this unique verse other laptop is the free PopOs support, which the ticketing system is already built in. So yeah definitely a winner.
Thunderbolt is useful for developers for high bandwidth docks, especially if you work in more than one location.
Yep. Getting 3 4K monitors going you either need TB or you're stuck with sub-par DisplayLink usb-c docks. Plain USB-C docks without displaylink or TB are usually just 1 displayport and no MST.
@@XiaOmegaX AMD currently means no Thunderbolt, but on the other hand, it's an AMD CPU (and iGPU). That's the tradeoff.It's one I'd make in a heartbeat.
This looks pretty great. I would totally consider it for a work laptop if it had an Ethernet port, which is pretty much mandatory for a network engineer.
You can alaways buy a USB Type-C hub with the Ethernet port on its end. It works great on my device.
@@branislavavramovic2601 If I'm in the back of a rack, I just want to plug an Ethernet cable into the side of my machine and use it. I don't want to go searching for a dongle (you never have it when you need it), and baby this thing sticking out the side of my machine to make sure I don't accidentally pull it out or knock it on the rails as I'm pulling the laptop out of the rack.
I'm mainly working from home and I don't have these issues, but I guess you are right.
Thunderbolt is always super useful, if you have too many screens, 20Gbps (especially 10Gbps) is just not enough for like 3 screens, depending on the resolution.
This is the same chassis as the laptops I work on for my job and the metal is SO soft they really can’t take any hits. And to replace the keyboard you have to disassemble the entire computer and it’s attached to the top deck.
This keyboard layout is at least 4 years old. Had one of these at work and I can say it felt nice. The touchpad itself wasn't something to die for, though it did use to include another line of left and right click on the lower side of the touchpad. But the keyboard was above many other laptop keyboards back in the day (imo).
A pretty neat laptop, I wish I could find it in Europe as well.
You are right the shield you forgot to put back in is an RF shield for FCC compliance, but it also blocks the memory RF emissions from interferring with the Wifi operation which can be negatively effected by memory bus speed transmissions.
Go HP! If I had the money to spare, that would be a nice upgrade over my old tuxedo laptop. I hope they continue with supplying linux-machines and it not being just a one-off.
Maybe it's a dev-one-off
That background prop blinking around 09:04 was a nice touch!
Those internals are the minimal in how every laptop should be built by default. Now it is a niche product. Only missing thing in there is a socketed processor.
Thickpad supremacy 🙏
I mean I get the arrow keys make sense with the keyboard configuration, but as someone who's had multiple laptops with that style arrow keys... You never get used to it and it's always annoying when you aren't looking at your hands to type.
This laptop just literally proves that it's a choice for things not to be upgradable and serviceable by consumers.
I work as a service technician for a big Telecom company, and we use exclusively HP business laptops, and can confirm all of them are built like this.
I have used the x360 elitebooks for the last 5 years and I can recommend the HP hardware privacy screen - not the one here that is simply conveniently bad viewing angles of a cheap LCD, but an actual hardware layer on the screen with a dedicated Fn button to make the viewing angle truly fixed within a few degrees. Works amazingly well on a plane and can be turned off for normal use.
I’m interested in how well or not these are selling for HP. I love the idea of having this replace my MacBook as a dev laptop and we have even talked about the possibility at work for getting some for devs who want to be on Linux machines. 👍 great video here
My old HP workstation had buttons for left, right, and middle mouse clicks. As someone that uses middle mouse all the time that was a great feature and I don't understand why no other laptops have that...
As a dev this looks like a REALLY solid laptop and I want it. If only it were available in my country. :(
Just look at elite books they are the same exact thing
Try getting a HP Elitebook 840 G8 (Intel based) or 845 G8 (AMD based), and spec it out to be similar to or even better than the Dev One. It'll be more expensive, though, and you'd have to create a 'super' sticker to cover up the Windows logo key on the keyboard. Plus, you get the options of going smaller or larger as there are 13" and 15" models if I recall correctly.
The last time I checked earlier this year, it seems that HP charges more to order them without Windows licences, so I'd recommend getting it with Windows, then creating a Clonezilla image of the factory image before erasing the internal storage and installing Pop OS.
I'd recommend the HP ZBook line. I'm guessing either HP or System76 is apprehensive about doing an international release if they don't have market research to tell them how many PopOS laptops to make in each region. HP is a big OEM so their normal production runs involve things like separate keycaps for each QWERTY Nordic country depending on if the letter Ø or Ö is used.
@@alksdng97834y The core of the machine may be the same, but the extra accessories like the wireless card and webcam may be incompatible with Linux, or may be buggy. At least with the Dev 1 you can be sure that everything will work with Linux.
HP makes some really solid laptops. My first laptop was an HP Compaq 610 that's still alive. Currently using a G8 Ryzen 5 with Garuda Linux and it is indeed as amazing as Anthony makes it seem.
I use an old Probook (6460b) with Ubuntu Mate and 12 gb Ram. I do not code anymore, and use it only for life-related stuff (mail, home banking and so on). But it is an awesomme machine for what I paid for it. Sure it can be noisy from time to time, but it is some 10 years old after all. Just a wonderfull solid piece of machinery for those personal related stuff. And easy to open if I need to remove dust from the fan. Nice size screen as well.
Looks pretty cool my guy
Telemetry that is open, transparent and optional is the #1 reason I turn it ON to contribute to the project for free 💪🙏
3:30 I could be wrong, but I'm nearly certain that's DC in not AC.. Would be a ton of additional bulk and heat if they integrated the ac-dc adapter inside the laptop.
Anthony you’re a fantastic presenter. I really hope you move to your own channel one day. I no longer wish to give views to Linus after he got offended that people dared to ask for written warranties instead of “trust me bro”
It would've been so much better with both side charging with USB c or thunderbolt
Dragging stuff with the track point is a breeze.
Linode's basically the only sponsor that I have any positive sentiment about - I hope they're still cool like back in the day
They are entirely cromulent
I've loved them for ages. Now owned by Akamai I hope they continue being amazing
I see lots of malware and phishing campaigns hosted there lol
Thank you for opening and showing the internal components. This type of reviews really help taking a decision. My last laptop ram was not upgradable it made me so uncomfortable when I was informed when I was trying to buy new Ram sticks.
We took an HP Elitebook and gave it a new name. Yay marketing.
Elitebook has more features than this.
I think its more than that
No windows key
(why would one need it when running gnome)
And they collaborated with system76 and there is a chance that battery won't suck on those
And the drivers should be an A+
Marketing 101:
"Perception is greater than reality."
@@austinverlinden2236 Limited features that work reliably for the majority of users is preferable over a larger number of unreliable features. I’ll take a boring, stable platform over a geeked out circus show.
@@WildMidwest1 I agree, though the person i was replying to was trying to compare this to an Elitebook. They are very much different
I have one of these and it's exceptional. I'm a massive fan. I've never cared for HP as a brand in the past but the Dev One is something special. I absolutely love the laptop.
Is it quiet?
@@noktilux4052 95% of the time yes, almost silent. The fans very rarely kick up, and when they do they're not very noisy. I suspect because they didn't try to go absurdly thin with the build, that allows for enough airflow to not need to pack a jet engine sounding fan in there. There's seriously none of that crazy "my laptop sounds like it's trying to take flight" nonsense here, just good quiet operation.
This - 🎉
Really looking solid, good quality all around, no real downsides and good price.
This is why I like HP, I now currently have a envy x360, and this is also all around great for a good price. Even though it came with windows I installed Linux on it and I have got zero complaints.
This dev one seems to replicate the great experience I have with my HP but is even better, bigger screen, more upgradeable, more powerful, better hinge and even if I'm loosing the touchscreen with it, I never really used it in the first place.
I also love the direction they are taking by collabing with system 76.
Honestly, that barrel connector will probably last longer than the cables it comes with, unless you're really really really bad about not tripping over cables. I work in a place that this is a lot of those types of laptops, and that is an extremely small, I've never seen it technically, issue for a breakage for HP laptops.
What a wonderful review and getting into everything and yes. That is definitely my next laptop. Anthony, you always do a great job and always enjoy your reviews!
Now the question is: Because the laptop is awesome, or because Anthony reviewed it? Because everything reviewed by Anthony is automatically more interesting
For anthony: yes the launch keyboard comes with system76's fork of QMK Firmware by default.
As a Linux enthusiast, it sounds so amazing to hear someone actually has a proper "Linux ecosystem".. Hell, one can even get a Linux phone these days, though they seem somewhat far from "daily driver ready" state, but still :)
It seems pretty decent. The value seems almost too good to be true.
I'd like to see the barrel jack replaced, the trackpad centred, and those arrow keys made less garbage. I think those are my biggest complaints. Maybe some more USB ports, especially USB-A.
The keyboard in general seems pretty average, especially if it is indeed plastic-welded in place like most laptops are these days.
Hopefully they make more iterations on it because it seems decent but it could be better. I like the idea though. Certainly better than any laptop with Windows on it.
I'd buy it and the mouse in a heart beat if they were available in Canada.
This looks like it's based off of the new Elitebook chassis which I like a whole lot! The only thing is that the rubber on the trackpoint wore down very quickly and it was touching the screen when the laptop was closed, it would leave a visible print.
But that aside, I really like the Elitebook, so this thing looks fantastic.
looks like something i might bring to school instead of a 2.3 kilos gaming laptop
Ew, metric
@@jacksonneedham2792 beuh i don’t know the imperial unit
Is this why they’ve removed the ability to dual boot on other machines? Man. I love this so much, but I just can’t give them credit.
The laptop looks like a rebranded Z book. The finish is the same, the design is the same and even the IO setup is the same. The only difference is the operating system
In a way I’m fine with that, but it brings up another issue for me, I’d rather see “dev editions” with Linux drivers and Linux factory installed on all or at least a good number of zbooks/elite books etc instead of just one special edition laptop
I loved the TrackPoint on my old IBM ThinkPads. Didn't think I would ever see one again.
At times I really want one of these. Then I think of all the quality issues I've had with the last few HPs I've bought for work and I have to wonder if it would have the same overheating issues I've had on 3 different laptop models so far.
Power delivery and cooling tend to be the Achilles' Heel of HP laptops, even when everything else is perfect. If someone at LMG wants to daily one of these, it probably warrants a full LTT video.
But does it come with lvm and a separate home partition? Otherwise I’ll have reinstall anyway lol would love to try PopOS
6:59 Excellent demonstration of why I hate glossy screens.
Allegedly they make the colours 'more vivid' but, in reality, even the wall behind the laptop is more vivid, so people who state that must... I don't know... live in a darkroom.
I really hope we see more laptops designed to run Linux out of the box in the future. I think this is intended to be the first step for HP testing how it goes with developers. So they have enough time to train their support to help mass users in later iterations of Linux machines. Definitely a good thing to see given that there shouldn't be any big hardware or driver issues with such machines.
The barrel power socket is worth having, as HP's USB-C charging has a habit of failing, while the barrel goes on forever. It is also handy if you want to run multiple monitors from the USB-C ports.
People. People. People. Friends don't let friends buy HP.
It's been almost 2 months now, I was hoping to get a dedicated review of this. Specially battery life.
I feel like someone who walked into the room where I thought the beers and party was, but it's accidentally a cooking class.
These are some of the nerdiest nerd comments I've ever scrolled through.
yeah i think i took a wrong turn in my feed somewhere.
I think the room has been triple booked by Dennis again.
NOBODY MOVE!
Linux user's eyesight is based on movement. Just turn around, slowly, and click back to your subscription feed. Don't run and don't look directly at the GUI.
As a developer and a amateur IT dude who usually gets the computer stuff done the JSON dump is great to see. I always get asked about cookies and analytics and I cant give them a clear answer on whats being sent other than guessing common data that is sent.
The closed firmware is a huge missed opportunity sadly. Intel ME and other lowlevel spyware is something that would be so great if bigger manufacturers offered affordable options without it.
I was gonna say when you was opening it, "damn this is a nice laptop. Keyboard and mouse as well?! dayum! Whats the catch?" - Launches into PopOS, "ah ok i see"
I really liked the idea of shipping a great laptop with pop! OS
I still prefer framework laptop btw
I’ve got issues with HP, but this looks really good. THANK YOU HP for not soldering everything on, and actually doing a really good design.
As someone who's learing CS and getting their IT Certifications via ODIN Project, Coursera and other resources; this is EXACTLY what I've been looking for in a laptop.
Definitely picking up one of these as a birthday present to myself this year!
I got an tear in my eye when I saw the RF shielding, and then you din't put it back!!!!
As a ham radio operator, a quiet RF enviroment is avsolutely necessary for me, and I hope the new LTT-lab will be testing it.
Anthony needs to try installing one of the compatible Linux distros on a macbook running M1 or M2, just to show how much of a pain it is likely to be.
Nicely done, I actually like the laid back cadence of his speech.
I've never seen a 'dev' focused/branded laptop that I'd actually want to use for day to day dev work. They always seem to have 16:9 1080p screens and come in the small 14" sizes. Why not 2k 16:10 at least? 15 or 16" variants? Always wind up buying something else and sticking Linux on later. (At the moment, I'm on framework for that 3:2 screen, but even with that I'd really love something bigger)
This looks damn near the same as some business laptops from HP I've been working through at work these last few weeks. Solid frame, the ones I've been going over all seem to have various stages of display death. Mostly because HP just doesn't secure the cables so they come loose and boom no display. The connector itself is really solid but nothing else holds it in so over time no matter how solid it will wiggle loose. Not the most painful repairs all in all. My opinion may change as I've got a water damaged complex repair scheduled for thursday. I'll give them props for the fact I could just plain open and fix them no manual or fiddling needed. Plenty of room and sensible design to just eyeball it. The screen frame being glued however is something I hate and will forever hold against them so 3/10
Edit: "this is really well laid out" and "oh these are captive screws, awesome!" Yeah this is still how these things are as standard in business land. The only unique thing here still seems to be the OS. Everything else seems standard, honestly just looks like a re release of an older product.