It will Michael. It's far too good a performer to be relegated to the backwaters of caliber history. I carry a Glock 32 Gen 4 loaded with 125gr WW Ranger Bonded for my EDC. Have you got any interesting stories about the caliber in your time as a LEO? Greets and best wishes from South Africa.
@@Juno_Beach .380 is a .355 bullet usually topping out at 100gr, whereas .357 Magnum is a .357 diameter bullet topping out at 180gr, with a mass of case capacity behind it. .357Sig is also a .355 diameter bullet, usually flat nosed to assist in remaining seated in the case (neck tension) and feeding, usually in 125gr variety.
Still have mine. Galloway Precision +1 base pads on all 5 of my mags. They’re not everyone’s cup of tea but Hogue’s with the finger grooves help with muzzle flip especially when shooting Underwood, Buffalo Bore or Double Tap.
My PD neighbor carried a Sig 229 in 40. Department decommissioned them, he purchased his duty pistol. He decided to sell it to replace it with a Glock 19X I purchased it from him, ordered a .357 Sig barrel, installed Trijicon HD sights and its now my daily carry. Awesome gun.
I love 357 sig wish there were more pistols available in it everybody loves 9 mm so much and no one makes anything else. I shouldn't have sold mine years ago
Tell her to give you the wife looks when you’re saving her life from some bozo man live in you’re true love if your love is guns man go crazy lol in privacy of course no one wants to sleep on the couch🤣
Great video as usual! Straight and to the point. Remember when the 10mm was basically a “dead zombie” caliber until 30 years later when it resurrected itself in popularity? I predict in the long term future, the .357 Sig will once again regain its popularity slightly. If ammo companies just lowered the price of it, it would be viable. In fact, I think Federal should be cranking out and pushing less expensive .357Sig, instead of the silly .30 Super Carry. That’s just my own opinion. My three favorite odd ball pistol calibers are 10mm (not so much “odd ball” anymore), .38Super and .357 Sig.
Excellent observation! One never does know what will happen and as I stated in a previous video related to the stopping power of 9mm, if the right documented situation arises, the world may again decide that more power is better.
I have yet to see a handgun in 30 super carry nor do I know anyone who has shot one, I agree. .357 sig was as good as a. 357 mag loaded with 125 jhp. I have no idea why anyone woukd want 30 super carry, its smaller than 9mm and probably lacks the punch. For sure lacking the punch of. 357 sig.
Sometimes still carry the Glock 33 with the Glock OEM +1 Mag extension. Recoil is not bad in my opinion. The Dallas PD went to 357 Sig for a while which gave many of us the bug. Also, like the accuracy of the round that really comes into play with the longer barrels such as 5" and 6" inches. It is also a decent handgun hunting round. The cost of the round is not bad if you reload since it is common 9mm components. Used brass when I got into the caliber was really cheap bought in bulk(read Home Depot buckets) but Starline still sells new brass.
Where I'm at it's only 2$ more per 20 round box of hollows, compared to hornaday 9mm, haven't looked for fmj yet. But that price difference isn't bad at all imo
I have all three, the Glock 31, the Glock 32, and the Glock 33. The G32 is my favorite handgun of all that I own and the G33 is a pretty sweet little hand cannon. Recoil for both is quite manageable. I've seen conversion barrels for the Glock 35 out there that will convert it from the .40S&W to .357 Sig. A longslide Glock in .357 Sig sounds all sorts of awesome... not sure why I haven't pulled the trigger on doing this yet
@@thomascozart1095 Absolutely! I have, at best, medium sized hands, so the G32 is just a better fit for me over the G31. I think it is a similar sort of thing as to why the G19 is far more popular than the G17... the size of the G19 is not that much smaller than the G17, but that size difference is just enough to work better for most people. I'm sure there is something to be said also about the compact G19/G23/G32 sized frame being a good balance between size, firepower, controllably, etc.
I love the .357 Sig, but I am very on the fence about using it as a carry gun. It is so loud that there is a good chance of hearing damage shooting it without ear pro on. Of course, this does have the benefit of blowing the bad guy's ears out even if you miss, but that is a two edged sword
I have a single stack .357 Sig. I bought a Sig P239 in .40 caliber and I put a Sig factory .357 Sig barrel in it. I have converted all of my .40’s to .357 Sig. I personally think it’s a fantastic round, but it does have some blast and flash. The 239 by the way needs mags that are specifically for that round (vs the .40). The single stack in the .357 Sig is a lot to hang on to… Thank you for an excellent video!
To my knowledge, S&W cut the M&P series in .357sig around 2016 or so. Few PDs really used the fast hot caliber by 2018. I'd add too that Storm Lake removed many common hand gun barrel choices around 2019, 2020. Look at the website for changes. KKM of Nevada does excellent stainless steel match barrel work ✔️. I have M&P 4.25" 9mm & .357sig barrels. No problems.
Yeh, the first one that came to mind was the Sig P239. 357 Sig is louder than a 40 but has less recoil in that it does not torque side to side like the 40. My experience as an RSO is that everyone finds the 357 Sig to have more controllability in the same platform, but that is subjective.
“Subjective” is the correct term. All of my pistols are either 40SW or 357Sig and I have conversion barrels for them. The only real difference I can tell is a sharper report with the 357Sig, ie ‘crack’ vs ‘boom.’ Some people say they can tell the difference in recoil but I don’t notice it. It’s a gun; it recoils and it’s loud. And?
Two single stack options are the Sig 1911 Nightmare with a 4.2 barrel and the P239 with a 3.6 barrel. The P239 is my EDC and has a 7 shot single stack magazine, mine is in DA/SA.
My edc is a SIG P-229 in .357SIG and I recall SIG produced the Nightmare Fastback (1911 platform) in .357SIG. I considered purchasing one until the wife walked by the computer and saw the price. I got the "wife look" and closed out that screen.
I bought a P 320 carry in .357 SIG recently, so SIG makes them. I love the gun, but yes it does have a bit of a bark and buck. However I suspect that what ever one shoots with it will stay shot.
About seven years back our department T&E'd the .357 G32 and the M&P same size as the G32. Everyone came back saying that the felt recoil on the Glock was much less than the M&P. No one could figure out why as the M&P was more of a solid firearm and actually should have performed better. Only thing I could figure was the Luger grip angle is more ergonomic than the M&P. Ultimately, we ended up going with the M&P in 9 due to cost at the time. Furthermore, the M&P actually innovates by having a sleeve that fits over a full size mag and marries perfectly with the mag well. At the time, the G45 hadn't come around, but that's essentially what we've been carrying in the M&P. Today, with the ballistics, not sure there's much difference between the .357sig and 9mm. But I still do love that .357sig. Good luck finding ammo...the thought that it would be a dying round has seem to come to fruition.
I'm so glad I watched this video. I've only ever owned revolvers in the 357 Magnums I was thinking about eventually buying at least one semi-auto and started looking at the 357 sigs but I'm glad you mentioned that they most likely are on their way out and are hardly even produced. So time to think of another semi-auto for my future purchase.
The Sig P239 is a single stack available in .357 SIG. It believe it was the second gun offered in .357 SIG--the Glock 32 and 33 came later. I have one. It's awesome. I actually shoot it a little better than a P229 in .357. It carries pretty well and gives you 7 +1 rounds of pure thunder in a compact, handy little package.
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
The .357 sig is a 9 done right. 9 is best for women, new shooters, edgy dudes, the range and small weapons. The only pros to the entry level PD cartridge is its cheaper, less recoil and more ammo (usually 2 rounds). 9 guys will argue energy, but that's because the 9 has the least of any reasonable PD. A cheap (white box) sig is like a full house 9 +p+. The only common cartridge that offers more is the 10mm.
I bought a S&W Shield 40 Cal (sigle stack pistol), and I purchased a 357 Sig conversion barrel. Love the capability! Works quite well. Also got HYVE mag extension.
I've got the glock 33 with alien nation IWB holster carried concealed for a few years, ive used glock 27,40 Smith mags in the 33 just to see if they would function,the glock 26,27& 33 are copies of each other in design except caliber, wolf makes some very good barrel drop in.the only draw back for the 357 sig is availability of ammo & cost of cartridges, also pain in the ass for reloading. Retired the 33 & went from glocks to the Springfield hellcat.
Before I started carrying my P229 Legion and or my Glock 32 I carried a Glock 29 for a couple of years, so recoil has not been an issue, but I can tell you accuracy with a .357 Sig is outstanding I mostly use underwood ammo and both pistols shoot it great.
Aside from the P239 that Paul mention, Sig also made two 1911's in .357SIG, one a government size and the other commander size. The HK P2000, P2000SK and USP Compact were all offered in .357SIG and the P2000 is pretty thin for a double stack.
As it’s been pointed out numerous times already Sig still produces a pistol in that caliber, not just Glock. The agency I retired from has carried that round for over 15 years in a Sig.
When not carrying my S&W 649 357 mag, usually carry a Shield 40 w/357 sig barrel. Feeds very well, pretty accurate, still light enough to be comfortable.
Glock 32, light weight and some serious fire power. 13 + 1, energy of 500 to 600 it will handle everything on 2 or 4 legs in Arizona. I usually open carry in the desert but I can conceal it easily. A great all purpose pistol. It fits in my G19 holsters too.
The .357 sig has a noticeable jump in not only recoil over the .40 but also has a ton of flash out the end of the barrel. I have a custom barrel for my M&P 2.0 .40 in .357 sig and I swap the recoil spring out to one a couple of pounds heavier. Never had a malfunction yet and I think the heavier spring is easier on the gun with the hotter .357
The best auto caliber for 2 legged critters imho. I'm hoping glock makes a gen 5. But I plan on a gen 4 32 on the near future if not announced in the next year or so. A 32 with a 23 barrel for added versatility
The Aero Survival Rifle from TNW was available in 357 Sig. It now list shipping in 10 to 14 weeks so it may not be available anymore. The ASR runs Glock mags for all calibers.
I love my Glock 32. Prior to the “ςθvΙd damn panic” and αΜΜΘ price gouging and hoarding, I was able to find a good supply of .357 Sig FMJs for $16.99 per 50. I bought all I could. Then I bought a bunch of Remington 125gr HP and Speer Gold Dots. I stocked up with those as well. I also bought a KKM .40 barrel for the gun, in the event I may never find affordable .357Sig rounds in my lifetime again. This way, it’s no worries because my gun will be easily converted into a Glock 23 😜😜😜. True fact: CURRENT Glock OEM production .357Sig magazines will NOT cycle .40 ammo through the magazine. Dumb Glock designed this internal polymer “ridge” (for a lack of a better terms) that runs down the entire length of the magazine. Thus, this internal “ridge” is an obstruction that only permits the narrow shoulder of the .357Sig round to function in the magazine, but NOT the wider neck of the .40. 🤬🤬🤬. However, ANY production Glock .40 magazine (models 27, 22, 23) will cycle .357Sig rounds without a hickup, becasue there is no “ridge” obstruction. I learned the hard way. One can stock up on Glock .40 magazines and use them in both .40 and .357Sig chambered pistols. As a result of my discovery when I ordered a dozen Glock 23 mags that were worthless at the time to me as I didn’t own a .40, I finally just bought a G23 gen5 in order to be able to use use those magazines. I only bought the .40 magazines because I couldn’t find any OEM Glock 32 mags at the time and the older variants used to cycle both calibers. When I retire in a few months, I’m carrying my 32 in my rotation for ccw, as the .357Sig caliber unfortunately, is not approved for carry by my employer. But when I retire, I can carry anything I want. 😎😎😎. One has to appreciate the versatility of Glock products with some interchangeability.
If you want to stock up on 357 sig ammo, then you may as well just handload your own stuff. Uses the same bullet slug as the 9mm, as we all know, so it's cheap to reload. It makes a ton of economic sense to handload the 357 sig.
1:20 You can get an M&P 2.0 or 2.0 Shield and get any number of .357 Sig barrels that drop right in. The Shield is single stack Shield 2.0 is a great choice because you end up with a footprint that's the same size as a J-frame, but you've got 8 rounds instead of 5.
I have a Kahr P40 that I would love to get a .357 Sig conversion barrel for, but I've never seen one out on the internets available. That would make for a very sweet single stack .357
I just ordered a Glock 32 and own two classic SIG pistols (P226/9) chambered in .357 SIG. Both of those pistols are now safe queens just due to their scarcity over the past few years. Very sad!
I recently purchased G23 GEN5 in which I train always with Fed 180gr FMJ. As Glock is not producing .357SIG in Generation 5 build, I added a quality .357SIG barrel (KKM) to my G23 (note: Gen 5 incorporates a much larger, thicker, chamber due to new width of the platform). The ONLY difference between these two rounds (Gold Dot and Federal) was noise. In fact the .357SIG was a more pleasurable round to shoot. In fact easier than a 9mm +P+, same projectile weights 124gr/ 125gr. Plan to add it to my G27 GEN5.
The Sig P239 is a single stack .357 Sig handgun. Mine came with two barrels, .357 Sig and .40 S&W and 4 magazines: two for each caliber. The P239 magazines are caliber specific for 357, 40, and 9mm. It holds 7+1 in 357 and 40, and 8+1 in 9mm. I love mine and carry it as .357 Sig. If you replace the original hand grips with Houge rubber grips, there are no issues firing full power 357 Sig ammo from Underwood or Buffalo Bore. I've chronographed my Underwood ammo through all my pistols and even with the 3.6" barrel of the P239, I get 1460 FPS, so it is snappy but still very manageable.
For 100 percent reliability in my Glock 40 to 357 Sig conversion I went with the Glock 357 Sig magazines. There is a difference in the top plate design. The stock 40 magazine will sometimes allow the nose of the 357 Sig round to nosedive in the magazine. My conversion was a Glock 35 which gave me a 5.3-inch barrel and a little increase in velocity.
I believe 40SW is harder on guns than 357 Sig, because the bullets are heavier. 357 Sig has less recoil than the 40SW. It just has much more muzzle blast.
Using Underwood Xtreme Defense in the 357 Sig makes the terminal performance great, and with less recoil. I carry the Glock 32 when I can. Testing in gel and in pork shoulders with denim in front is great.
Having converted my Glock 24 into .357 Sig, I can confirm that .40 Cal mags are NO BUENO. Specifically, they require a .357 follower. I had multiple failures to feed.
You have a problem with your gun. I have never had any issues using 40SW mags for 357 Sig. The case diameters are identical. If it were the follower, I would think the problem would be with the last round in the magazine.
@@ultrafuel2559 Negative. At first I ran ETS mags just so I wouldn't mistake .40 and .357. They were a total failure. Then I just ran my factory .40 mags. I noticed the gun wouldn't cycle as smoothly, and had FTFs. Then I called Glock and they told me to use .357 Sig followers, so I just bought some G31 mags. No issues since.
I picked up a used CLEO trade in sig 226R-DAK from Aimsurplus a couple of years back, in excellent condition, along with a few extra mags, got lone wolf .357 sig barrel for it. One of the best buys on a used trade in. It's still my main EDC. To this day. Range time 40cal 180g. EDC .357 sig, underwood 115g. HP.
While it might seem like more recoil, the 357 Sig shoots flatter and the recoil is more straight back than 40, which recoils upward.357 Sig was the first gun I carried seriously, after a 1911 and 40. It's a significantly more impactful round than most others for concealed carry.
I have a Glock 23 that I put a 32 barrel in for 357 Sig. Also did a 9mm conversion barrel.. I've done the same thing for Smith and Wesson M&P 1.0 40S&W guns. One gun, three calibers..
But what would be the marketing hook? .357 SIG is just a superspeed 9mm, right? (Honest Q.) 9mm +P already has a tendency to overexpand and underpenetrate, so what does .357 SIG do differently? Succinctly communicating that would be the key. 10mm has all kinds of hype surrounding it (mostly true, but not all), so that makes it easy to understand its surge in popularity.
@@texasbeast239 S&W is offering the 30 Super Carry as the best cartridge in 100 years. It's a weak 9mm that gives you a couple extra rounds. 9mm people say 40sw isn't great because it's snappy yet they'll say pushing a 9mm +P+ gets great results. Doesn't make sense that they'll push a round above pressure it's designed for and call equal while getting the recoil they say they don't want. If you go to the Underwood website you'll see 9mm+P is around 200fps slower than 357 Sig with the same load. A necked cartridge is inherently more reliable when feeding. In the majority of "fair" comparisons, 40 and 357 beat 9mm in FPE. 357 sig beats 9mm in penetration tests as well. As a reference I suggest people watch Paul Harrell videos on 9mm vs 40, 357 sig vs 357 magnum and pretty much all of his content on these rounds. After that a few channels have done penetration tests on 9 vs 357. It's like discussing what does 45,380,10,30,357,40 offer that 9 doesn't. If 9mm was all it's supposed to be we wouldn't have 40,10,357,30. If the government and police decided to pick up the new 30sc then that would be the new best of the best. We are back "again" at 9mm because supposedly the same technology that makes 9mm equal to every doesn't apply to everything else. 9mm is cheaper to miss with since police accuracy is questionable and more is obviously better if you can't hit stuff.
@@texasbeast239 all that said, SIG has basically abandoned everything but 9mm and is pushing 10mm "for now" to get in on the action. Which IMHO is a 💩 think to do as a company.
@@texasbeast239 well we have RIP ammo so maybe. Personal I'd like to see more necked wildcat variants. 22 TCM and 400 corbon for example. Most of these are a simple sight and barrel changes that could be offered from manufacturers. A gun designed to shoot 40sw can shoot 9,40 and 357. Probably a few others with minor changes. Why not support people interested it? I've got the capability to shoot most ammo I find on the shelf with an alteration that takes less than a minute.
Please include the Underwood extreme defender 68 grain when it comes to your testing. With a muzzle velocity of 2100fps believe it could change what a handgun is capable of
Isn’t it great how SIG abandoned their own cartridge and couldn’t even bother to at least have a basic 229 nitron chambered in it as an option? I mean, it was the platform it was unveiled in. But yeah, no. Hey, don’t worry SIG! Glock will do your job for you in keeping YOUR cartridge alive.
Carry a Glock 32. Not a single stack, but very easy to carry. Use Underwood 65 grain extreme defenders for carry ammunition which chrono right around 2200 fps and 700 ft lbs of energy out of the G32. Light, accurate, and powerful.
I EDC an H&K P2000 in 357 Sig. It recoils a little more sharply than it did in 40 S&W. There is less muzzle flip with 357 Sig. I converted my P2000SK. It is more controllable in 357 Sig. I also converted a USP Compact to 357. I'm looking for a 357 barrel for my Sig 40 caliber 1911. I converted the 1911. It is awesome. The Sig P239, P229, & P226 can be found in 357 Sig.
Just did some checking on the Sig site… The P229 is still available and under “Parts” you can still get a 357Sig barrel for your P229. In order for this to work you would need to purchase a .40 to do your swap from.
I have two P229s, one a P229C SAS. Both used started as .40 S&W and I have a .357 Sig barrel for each. I have to put the correct sights on the P229C SAS and run my carry ammunition through it before I start carrying it. I find I’m more accurate with .357 Sig and I can’t tell the difference in recoil between my all metal .357 Sig and one of my polymer 9mm guns.
Carry a 40 Shield with a Lone Wolf 357s barrel. Love it. Such a great round. KKM Makes a great barrel as well. I wish it would regain popularity like 10mm has lately. I'd love to see Glock make a Gen5 357sig. Or a new 357sig M&P.
I've got the Sig P239 single stack mag. I bought the 40 S&W barrel. Contrary to popular belief, 357 Sig is not necked down 40, it is shortened 10mm. You can load it with 40 brass but you have a very short neck and run the risk of throwing the bullet out of the case when that heavy spring slams a cartridge home. I wouldn't even do it in an emergency situation.
Just get a Glock 23 or 27 (I have both) and get an aftermarket.357 Sig bbl. I got the Lone Wolf 🐺.357Sig bbl for my 23, and it works in BOTH guns. Gives you tremendous flexibility. I also have the 9mm conversion bbl as well.
Any of the Glock 40 cal pistols easily convert to 357 Sig with a conversion barrel. 357 Sig Ammo fits perfectly into the 40 cal magazines. You can even use a full sized 357 Sig barrel in a subcompact model Glock. Glock is so very interchangable.
I LOVE my Glock 33! You guys might find it crazy, but I believe because the velocity is so insane from 357 Sig, that I don't feel alot of recoil from the G33! I believes it leaves that 3.5 inch barrel so fast that it really helps mitigate recoil compared to the G32. Might just be me though.
S&W M&P Shield 40 with a .357 Sig conversion barrel is probably as close to a factory single stack option...the other M&P 40 models can use .357 Sig conversion barrels as well, so can 40 S&W and 10mm Glocks. All that's needed to convert is the barrel.
Kahr arms would be the closest you could come to what you're asking for, however, they do not make a conversion barrel for said product. This is the same thing I've been asking for years now, but all calibres are dead except the beloved 9mm.
M&P 40s are easily convertible, the magazines are even stamped .40/357. And for a single stack, a .40 cal Shield can be converted. Ammo availability sucks so reloading is pretty much a must. But it uses common 9 mm bullets so the cost is comparable.
While one should still CERTAINLY verify with the manufacturer that any .40 to be converted to .357 Sig with a barrel change is rated to handle the increased pressure (though decreased slide momentum) of .357, essentially no factory-produced .357 Sig ammo produced today (with the obvious exception of Underwood, Doubletap, Buffalo Bore, and any other boutique commercial handloaders) comes close to the SAAMI or CIP max pressure for the cartridge. In fact, little of it even touches the 35,000 psi of standard pressure 9mm. Moreover, if one wants to experience the true potential of the .357 Sig cartridge, handloading with 800X powder and your choice of regular small pistol (not magnum) primers and brass yields amazing results. Normal on-book loads not even quite to the maximum of 800X as found in various manuals gives me 1,650fps out of a stock Gen 4 Glock 31 with a 125gr bullet (flat point FMJ or Gold Dot) and 1,450fps with a 147gr (also flat point FMJ or Gold Dot). I actually water down my preferred self-defense and woods defense rounds in .357 (every other handgun caliber for which I handload I try to get as close to the max as possible, as handguns rounds are weak), using a charge of 800X closer to the starting load than the max. This gives me 1,550fps with the 125gr and 1,375fps with the 147gr bullets, produces a mild chamber pressure, quite pleasant recoil (with the 125, not so much the 147s, which feel more like a 10mm), and the best accuracy. Velocity is actually so consistent with these 2 loads that the extreme spread out of 10 rounds of each bullet weight I chronographed was 5fps out of my Glock 31.
2 single stacks...Sig Sauer P239...and smith and wesson shield 40 can easily be converted to a single stack 357sig...simply order a 357sig barrel from tr enabling....there ya have it...thank me later..sig sauer P239 ...is SWEET!!!
I didn’t read all the replies, but as far as a single stack factory 357 Sig model goes, look no further than the Sig 239! I have their 239 SAS and it is fantastic! 7 rd of pure power and speed…
Used a .357 sig as a on and off duty weapon caliber for 12 years. Outstanding load... Hope it makes a comeback like 10mm has..
A P226 in .357 SIG would be awesome. I should've looked for one 5 or 6 years ago :(
Im a 10 fan, but ive always been interested in 357 sig over a 9.
It will Michael. It's far too good a performer to be relegated to the backwaters of caliber history.
I carry a Glock 32 Gen 4 loaded with 125gr WW Ranger Bonded for my EDC. Have you got any interesting stories about the caliber in your time as a LEO?
Greets and best wishes from South Africa.
honestly we never knew there was a 357 Auto ... what's the difference between 380 and 357
@@Juno_Beach .380 is a .355 bullet usually topping out at 100gr, whereas .357 Magnum is a .357 diameter bullet topping out at 180gr, with a mass of case capacity behind it. .357Sig is also a .355 diameter bullet, usually flat nosed to assist in remaining seated in the case (neck tension) and feeding, usually in 125gr variety.
Sig P239 (now discontinued) was made in .357 sig and uses a single stack magazine.
I own a Sig P239, (single stack) in 357 Sig. The pistol is no longer made. Excellent pistol if you can find one.
I had one for years, still kicking myself for trading it in. Awesome little gun.
I had an opportunity to buy a 239 in 357 sig a couple years ago.. I waited a week to go buy it and it was gone. Been kicking myself ever since.
I traded my P239 for a Glock 34. I had both .357 Sig and .40 S&W barrels for it. Wish I'd kept the P239
The sig 239 is still a great carry. The fact that you could convert it from .40 to .357 made it even better.
Still have mine. Galloway Precision +1 base pads on all 5 of my mags.
They’re not everyone’s cup of tea but Hogue’s with the finger grooves help with muzzle flip especially when shooting Underwood, Buffalo Bore or Double Tap.
My PD neighbor carried a Sig 229 in 40.
Department decommissioned them, he purchased his duty pistol.
He decided to sell it to replace it with a Glock 19X
I purchased it from him, ordered a .357 Sig barrel, installed Trijicon HD sights and its now my daily carry.
Awesome gun.
I love 357 sig wish there were more pistols available in it everybody loves 9 mm so much and no one makes anything else. I shouldn't have sold mine years ago
Tell her to give you the wife looks when you’re saving her life from some bozo man live in you’re true love if your love is guns man go crazy lol in privacy of course no one wants to sleep on the couch🤣
Great video as usual! Straight and to the point. Remember when the 10mm was basically a “dead zombie” caliber until 30 years later when it resurrected itself in popularity? I predict in the long term future, the .357 Sig will once again regain its popularity slightly. If ammo companies just lowered the price of it, it would be viable. In fact, I think Federal should be cranking out and pushing less expensive .357Sig, instead of the silly .30 Super Carry. That’s just my own opinion. My three favorite odd ball pistol calibers are 10mm (not so much “odd ball” anymore), .38Super and .357 Sig.
30 SC the caliber absolutely know one asked for .
@@pabloescobar7802 Yup.
Excellent observation! One never does know what will happen and as I stated in a previous video related to the stopping power of 9mm, if the right documented situation arises, the world may again decide that more power is better.
I agree, that said....capacity is the trend these days which is what's driving sales along with price.
I have yet to see a handgun in 30 super carry nor do I know anyone who has shot one, I agree. .357 sig was as good as a. 357 mag loaded with 125 jhp. I have no idea why anyone woukd want 30 super carry, its smaller than 9mm and probably lacks the punch. For sure lacking the punch of. 357 sig.
Sometimes still carry the Glock 33 with the Glock OEM +1 Mag extension. Recoil is not bad in my opinion. The Dallas PD went to 357 Sig for a while which gave many of us the bug. Also, like the accuracy of the round that really comes into play with the longer barrels such as 5" and 6" inches. It is also a decent handgun hunting round. The cost of the round is not bad if you reload since it is common 9mm components. Used brass when I got into the caliber was really cheap bought in bulk(read Home Depot buckets) but Starline still sells new brass.
Where I'm at it's only 2$ more per 20 round box of hollows, compared to hornaday 9mm, haven't looked for fmj yet. But that price difference isn't bad at all imo
I have all three, the Glock 31, the Glock 32, and the Glock 33. The G32 is my favorite handgun of all that I own and the G33 is a pretty sweet little hand cannon. Recoil for both is quite manageable.
I've seen conversion barrels for the Glock 35 out there that will convert it from the .40S&W to .357 Sig. A longslide Glock in .357 Sig sounds all sorts of awesome... not sure why I haven't pulled the trigger on doing this yet
If I may ask, why do you prefer the 32 to the 31?
@@thomascozart1095 Absolutely! I have, at best, medium sized hands, so the G32 is just a better fit for me over the G31.
I think it is a similar sort of thing as to why the G19 is far more popular than the G17... the size of the G19 is not that much smaller than the G17, but that size difference is just enough to work better for most people.
I'm sure there is something to be said also about the compact G19/G23/G32 sized frame being a good balance between size, firepower, controllably, etc.
@@grahamohea2424 I appreciate the feedback
@@thomascozart1095 Much easier to EDC, I also carry a G32. Same as carrying a G19/23.
@@thepatriotsrage661 Thank you. For some reason, in my area, a blue label 31 was much easier to find than a 32.
Been running 357sig barrel in my S&W40C I found the 357sig louder more then control issues from the 40c platform. Thanks for the 357sig love good vid
I love the .357 Sig, but I am very on the fence about using it as a carry gun. It is so loud that there is a good chance of hearing damage shooting it without ear pro on. Of course, this does have the benefit of blowing the bad guy's ears out even if you miss, but that is a two edged sword
Which barrel do you recommend?
I have a single stack .357 Sig. I bought a Sig P239 in .40 caliber and I put a Sig factory .357 Sig barrel in it. I have converted all of my .40’s to .357 Sig. I personally think it’s a fantastic round, but it does have some blast and flash. The 239 by the way needs mags that are specifically for that round (vs the .40). The single stack in the .357 Sig is a lot to hang on to…
Thank you for an excellent video!
So is the H&K P2000SK!
@@Lexicologist1971 …I have one of those, too
I got a .357 barrel for my Glock 22 .. it’s a great shooter ... .40 mags are all I’ve used in it .. I carry 125 HST ... great round and caliber ..
To my knowledge, S&W cut the M&P series in .357sig around 2016 or so. Few PDs really used the fast hot caliber by 2018. I'd add too that Storm Lake removed many common hand gun barrel choices around 2019, 2020. Look at the website for changes. KKM of Nevada does excellent stainless steel match barrel work ✔️. I have M&P 4.25" 9mm & .357sig barrels. No problems.
Yeh, the first one that came to mind was the Sig P239. 357 Sig is louder than a 40 but has less
recoil in that it does not torque side to side like the 40. My experience as an RSO is that everyone finds the 357 Sig to have more controllability in the same platform, but that is subjective.
I would very much agree. The recoil on the .357 Sig is far more controllable than the .40
“Subjective” is the correct term. All of my pistols are either 40SW or 357Sig and I have conversion barrels for them. The only real difference I can tell is a sharper report with the 357Sig, ie ‘crack’ vs ‘boom.’ Some people say they can tell the difference in recoil but I don’t notice it. It’s a gun; it recoils and it’s loud. And?
Two single stack options are the Sig 1911 Nightmare with a 4.2 barrel and the P239 with a 3.6 barrel. The P239 is my EDC and has a 7 shot single stack magazine, mine is in DA/SA.
Thanks a ton for sharing that information with our viewers! I had a feeling I would get some answers. Be safe and thanks again.
My edc is a SIG P-229 in .357SIG and I recall SIG produced the Nightmare Fastback (1911 platform) in .357SIG. I considered purchasing one until the wife walked by the computer and saw the price. I got the "wife look" and closed out that screen.
I bought a P 320 carry in .357 SIG recently, so SIG makes them. I love the gun, but yes it does have a bit of a bark and buck. However I suspect that what ever one shoots with it will stay shot.
The G33 is part of my EDC rotation. Another downside to some is the muzzle flash. It is significant.
About seven years back our department T&E'd the .357 G32 and the M&P same size as the G32. Everyone came back saying that the felt recoil on the Glock was much less than the M&P. No one could figure out why as the M&P was more of a solid firearm and actually should have performed better. Only thing I could figure was the Luger grip angle is more ergonomic than the M&P.
Ultimately, we ended up going with the M&P in 9 due to cost at the time. Furthermore, the M&P actually innovates by having a sleeve that fits over a full size mag and marries perfectly with the mag well. At the time, the G45 hadn't come around, but that's essentially what we've been carrying in the M&P. Today, with the ballistics, not sure there's much difference between the .357sig and 9mm. But I still do love that .357sig. Good luck finding ammo...the thought that it would be a dying round has seem to come to fruition.
Have a sig p226 chambered in 357 sig. absolutely love it and this cartridge.
I'm so glad I watched this video. I've only ever owned revolvers in the 357 Magnums I was thinking about eventually buying at least one semi-auto and started looking at the 357 sigs but I'm glad you mentioned that they most likely are on their way out and are hardly even produced. So time to think of another semi-auto for my future purchase.
The Sig P239 is a single stack available in .357 SIG. It believe it was the second gun offered in .357 SIG--the Glock 32 and 33 came later. I have one. It's awesome. I actually shoot it a little better than a P229 in .357. It carries pretty well and gives you 7 +1 rounds of pure thunder in a compact, handy little package.
I kick myself every day for selling my 239
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.
Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter.
It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage.
It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots.
Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear.
One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion.
I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round.
Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round.
9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times.
I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down.
In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside.
There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
I'm fine with 9mm 115gr +P+
Dang, you wrote a book
I don't even have a carry gun in 9mm. I carry 357, 40, or 380, in that order.
The .357 sig is a 9 done right. 9 is best for women, new shooters, edgy dudes, the range and small weapons. The only pros to the entry level PD cartridge is its cheaper, less recoil and more ammo (usually 2 rounds). 9 guys will argue energy, but that's because the 9 has the least of any reasonable PD.
A cheap (white box) sig is like a full house 9 +p+. The only common cartridge that offers more is the 10mm.
@@therond.patron4959then you'd like a low end sig cartridge.
I bought a S&W Shield 40 Cal (sigle stack pistol), and I purchased a 357 Sig conversion barrel. Love the capability! Works quite well. Also got HYVE mag extension.
I have carried a G32 for years and have somewhat wanted to try a Shield. Would the 9mm S&W work?
I've got the glock 33 with alien nation IWB holster carried concealed for a few years, ive used glock 27,40 Smith mags in the 33 just to see if they would function,the glock 26,27& 33 are copies of each other in design except caliber, wolf makes some very good barrel drop in.the only draw back for the 357 sig is availability of ammo & cost of cartridges, also pain in the ass for reloading. Retired the 33 & went from glocks to the Springfield hellcat.
Before I started carrying my P229 Legion and or my Glock 32 I carried a Glock 29 for a couple of years, so recoil has not been an issue, but I can tell you accuracy with a .357 Sig is outstanding I mostly use underwood ammo and both pistols shoot it great.
Aside from the P239 that Paul mention, Sig also made two 1911's in .357SIG, one a government size and the other commander size. The HK P2000, P2000SK and USP Compact were all offered in .357SIG and the P2000 is pretty thin for a double stack.
As it’s been pointed out numerous times already Sig still produces a pistol in that caliber, not just Glock. The agency I retired from has carried that round for over 15 years in a Sig.
When not carrying my S&W 649 357 mag, usually carry a Shield 40 w/357 sig barrel. Feeds very well, pretty accurate, still light enough to be comfortable.
Glock 32, light weight and some serious fire power. 13 + 1, energy of 500 to 600 it will handle everything on 2 or 4 legs in Arizona. I usually open carry in the desert but I can conceal it easily. A great all purpose pistol. It fits in my G19 holsters too.
The .357 sig has a noticeable jump in not only recoil over the .40 but also has a ton of flash out the end of the barrel. I have a custom barrel for my M&P 2.0 .40 in .357 sig and I swap the recoil spring out to one a couple of pounds heavier. Never had a malfunction yet and I think the heavier spring is easier on the gun with the hotter .357
Try Underwood Xtreme Defense ammo. Great terminal performance and less recoil.
The best auto caliber for 2 legged critters imho. I'm hoping glock makes a gen 5. But I plan on a gen 4 32 on the near future if not announced in the next year or so. A 32 with a 23 barrel for added versatility
The Aero Survival Rifle from TNW was available in 357 Sig. It now list shipping in 10 to 14 weeks so it may not be available anymore. The ASR runs Glock mags for all calibers.
I love my Glock 32. Prior to the “ςθvΙd damn panic” and αΜΜΘ price gouging and hoarding, I was able to find a good supply of .357 Sig FMJs for $16.99 per 50. I bought all I could. Then I bought a bunch of Remington 125gr HP and Speer Gold Dots. I stocked up with those as well. I also bought a KKM .40 barrel for the gun, in the event I may never find affordable .357Sig rounds in my lifetime again. This way, it’s no worries because my gun will be easily converted into a Glock 23 😜😜😜.
True fact: CURRENT Glock OEM production .357Sig magazines will NOT cycle .40 ammo through the magazine. Dumb Glock designed this internal polymer “ridge” (for a lack of a better terms) that runs down the entire length of the magazine. Thus, this internal “ridge” is an obstruction that only permits the narrow shoulder of the .357Sig round to function in the magazine, but NOT the wider neck of the .40. 🤬🤬🤬. However, ANY production Glock .40 magazine (models 27, 22, 23) will cycle .357Sig rounds without a hickup, becasue there is no “ridge” obstruction. I learned the hard way. One can stock up on Glock .40 magazines and use them in both .40 and .357Sig chambered pistols. As a result of my discovery when I ordered a dozen Glock 23 mags that were worthless at the time to me as I didn’t own a .40, I finally just bought a G23 gen5 in order to be able to use use those magazines. I only bought the .40 magazines because I couldn’t find any OEM Glock 32 mags at the time and the older variants used to cycle both calibers. When I retire in a few months, I’m carrying my 32 in my rotation for ccw, as the .357Sig caliber unfortunately, is not approved for carry by my employer. But when I retire, I can carry anything I want. 😎😎😎. One has to appreciate the versatility of Glock products with some interchangeability.
The G32 is my favorite edc
If you want to stock up on 357 sig ammo, then you may as well just handload your own stuff. Uses the same bullet slug as the 9mm, as we all know, so it's cheap to reload. It makes a ton of economic sense to handload the 357 sig.
A lot of good info here, thanks.
1:20 You can get an M&P 2.0 or 2.0 Shield and get any number of .357 Sig barrels that drop right in. The Shield is single stack Shield 2.0 is a great choice because you end up with a footprint that's the same size as a J-frame, but you've got 8 rounds instead of 5.
I have a Kahr P40 that I would love to get a .357 Sig conversion barrel for, but I've never seen one out on the internets available. That would make for a very sweet single stack .357
Mine is a Glock 33. I love it.
The 320 is available in .357 sig as well.
Yup I have one
I bought a smith and wesson m&p 2.0 40 and a 357sig barrel from kkm precision, love it!
I just ordered a Glock 32 and own two classic SIG pistols (P226/9) chambered in .357 SIG. Both of those pistols are now safe queens just due to their scarcity over the past few years. Very sad!
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I recently purchased G23 GEN5 in which I train always with Fed 180gr FMJ. As Glock is not producing .357SIG in Generation 5 build, I added a quality .357SIG barrel (KKM) to my G23 (note: Gen 5 incorporates a much larger, thicker, chamber due to new width of the platform). The ONLY difference between these two rounds (Gold Dot and Federal) was noise. In fact the .357SIG was a more pleasurable round to shoot. In fact easier than a 9mm +P+, same projectile weights 124gr/ 125gr. Plan to add it to my G27 GEN5.
The Sig P239 is a single stack .357 Sig handgun. Mine came with two barrels, .357 Sig and .40 S&W and 4 magazines: two for each caliber. The P239 magazines are caliber specific for 357, 40, and 9mm. It holds 7+1 in 357 and 40, and 8+1 in 9mm. I love mine and carry it as .357 Sig. If you replace the original hand grips with Houge rubber grips, there are no issues firing full power 357 Sig ammo from Underwood or Buffalo Bore. I've chronographed my Underwood ammo through all my pistols and even with the 3.6" barrel of the P239, I get 1460 FPS, so it is snappy but still very manageable.
For 100 percent reliability in my Glock 40 to 357 Sig conversion I went with the Glock 357 Sig magazines. There is a difference in the top plate design. The stock 40 magazine will sometimes allow the nose of the 357 Sig round to nosedive in the magazine. My conversion was a Glock 35 which gave me a 5.3-inch barrel and a little increase in velocity.
I believe 40SW is harder on guns than 357 Sig, because the bullets are heavier. 357 Sig has less recoil than the 40SW. It just has much more muzzle blast.
I can't feel any recoil difference between the two
Using Underwood Xtreme Defense in the 357 Sig makes the terminal performance great, and with less recoil. I carry the Glock 32 when I can. Testing in gel and in pork shoulders with denim in front is great.
Sig makes drop in barrels chambered in .357 Sig for the P226 and the P320 in .40S&W.
Having converted my Glock 24 into .357 Sig, I can confirm that .40 Cal mags are NO BUENO. Specifically, they require a .357 follower. I had multiple failures to feed.
Good information about the mags. Thank you
You have a problem with your gun. I have never had any issues using 40SW mags for 357 Sig. The case diameters are identical. If it were the follower, I would think the problem would be with the last round in the magazine.
@@ultrafuel2559 Negative. At first I ran ETS mags just so I wouldn't mistake .40 and .357. They were a total failure. Then I just ran my factory .40 mags. I noticed the gun wouldn't cycle as smoothly, and had FTFs. Then I called Glock and they told me to use .357 Sig followers, so I just bought some G31 mags. No issues since.
@@9unslin9er Haven't had that issue with my P226, P320, or P224.
@@ultrafuel2559 👏👏👏
I picked up a used CLEO trade in sig 226R-DAK from Aimsurplus a couple of years back, in excellent condition, along with a few extra mags, got lone wolf .357 sig barrel for it. One of the best buys on a used trade in. It's still my main EDC. To this day. Range time 40cal 180g. EDC .357 sig, underwood 115g. HP.
Sig produced a "Nightmare" 1911 variant single stack in .357 Sig.
P239 is a great single stack DA/SA in 357 Sig. Great little pistol. Also have the S&W Shield in 40 with a 357Sig barrel. Interesting smaller option.
While it might seem like more recoil, the 357 Sig shoots flatter and the recoil is more straight back than 40, which recoils upward.357 Sig was the first gun I carried seriously, after a 1911 and 40. It's a significantly more impactful round than most others for concealed carry.
I have a Glock 23 that I put a 32 barrel in for 357 Sig. Also did a 9mm conversion barrel.. I've done the same thing for Smith and Wesson M&P 1.0 40S&W guns. One gun, three calibers..
Wish we would see a comeback like the 10mm is experiencing. Sig 239 "was" a single stack available in 357.
But what would be the marketing hook? .357 SIG is just a superspeed 9mm, right? (Honest Q.) 9mm +P already has a tendency to overexpand and underpenetrate, so what does .357 SIG do differently? Succinctly communicating that would be the key.
10mm has all kinds of hype surrounding it (mostly true, but not all), so that makes it easy to understand its surge in popularity.
@@texasbeast239 S&W is offering the 30 Super Carry as the best cartridge in 100 years. It's a weak 9mm that gives you a couple extra rounds. 9mm people say 40sw isn't great because it's snappy yet they'll say pushing a 9mm +P+ gets great results. Doesn't make sense that they'll push a round above pressure it's designed for and call equal while getting the recoil they say they don't want.
If you go to the Underwood website you'll see 9mm+P is around 200fps slower than 357 Sig with the same load.
A necked cartridge is inherently more reliable when feeding. In the majority of "fair" comparisons, 40 and 357 beat 9mm in FPE. 357 sig beats 9mm in penetration tests as well. As a reference I suggest people watch Paul Harrell videos on 9mm vs 40, 357 sig vs 357 magnum and pretty much all of his content on these rounds. After that a few channels have done penetration tests on 9 vs 357. It's like discussing what does 45,380,10,30,357,40 offer that 9 doesn't. If 9mm was all it's supposed to be we wouldn't have 40,10,357,30. If the government and police decided to pick up the new 30sc then that would be the new best of the best. We are back "again" at 9mm because supposedly the same technology that makes 9mm equal to every doesn't apply to everything else.
9mm is cheaper to miss with since police accuracy is questionable and more is obviously better if you can't hit stuff.
@@texasbeast239 all that said, SIG has basically abandoned everything but 9mm and is pushing 10mm "for now" to get in on the action. Which IMHO is a 💩 think to do as a company.
@@FoulPet Maybe change their name to SIK? 😉
@@texasbeast239 well we have RIP ammo so maybe. Personal I'd like to see more necked wildcat variants. 22 TCM and 400 corbon for example. Most of these are a simple sight and barrel changes that could be offered from manufacturers. A gun designed to shoot 40sw can shoot 9,40 and 357. Probably a few others with minor changes. Why not support people interested it? I've got the capability to shoot most ammo I find on the shelf with an alteration that takes less than a minute.
Please include the Underwood extreme defender 68 grain when it comes to your testing. With a muzzle velocity of 2100fps believe it could change what a handgun is capable of
Sig P239 is a single stack option. That’s the handgun I learned how to shoot on
Isn’t it great how SIG abandoned their own cartridge and couldn’t even bother to at least have a basic 229 nitron chambered in it as an option? I mean, it was the platform it was unveiled in.
But yeah, no.
Hey, don’t worry SIG! Glock will do your job for you in keeping YOUR cartridge alive.
Carry a Glock 32. Not a single stack, but very easy to carry. Use Underwood 65 grain extreme defenders for carry ammunition which chrono right around 2200 fps and 700 ft lbs of energy out of the G32. Light, accurate, and powerful.
I EDC an H&K P2000 in 357 Sig. It recoils a little more sharply than it did in 40 S&W. There is less muzzle flip with 357 Sig. I converted my P2000SK. It is more controllable in 357 Sig. I also converted a USP Compact to 357. I'm looking for a 357 barrel for my Sig 40 caliber 1911.
I converted the 1911. It is awesome.
The Sig P239, P229, & P226 can be found in 357 Sig.
Just did some checking on the Sig site…
The P229 is still available and under “Parts” you can still get a 357Sig barrel for your P229.
In order for this to work you would need to purchase a .40 to do your swap from.
Yeah the sig p239 was a true single stack as were the sig nightmare 1911 models in 357 sig.
@AmmoMart the SIG P239 is a factory single-stack .357 pistol that holds 7 rounds.
There WAS a single stack .357 sig when Sig still made their fast back nightmare 1911 in it. Was a beautiful gun with a crap trigger( for a 1911).
I carry a Glock 33 everyday. Love it.
The P320 is still made in 357 Sig I bought one last year
I have two P229s, one a P229C SAS. Both used started as .40 S&W and I have a .357 Sig barrel for each. I have to put the correct sights on the P229C SAS and run my carry ammunition through it before I start carrying it. I find I’m more accurate with .357 Sig and I can’t tell the difference in recoil between my all metal .357 Sig and one of my polymer 9mm guns.
Have a Glock 32 in .357 sig. Had to use a 23 .40 S&W Glock magazine and change the follower for 10 round for NYS requirement. No issues so far.
I Love the 357 Sig.
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Carry a 40 Shield with a Lone Wolf 357s barrel. Love it. Such a great round. KKM Makes a great barrel as well. I wish it would regain popularity like 10mm has lately. I'd love to see Glock make a Gen5 357sig. Or a new 357sig M&P.
I've got the Sig P239 single stack mag. I bought the 40 S&W barrel. Contrary to popular belief, 357 Sig is not necked down 40, it is shortened 10mm. You can load it with 40 brass but you have a very short neck and run the risk of throwing the bullet out of the case when that heavy spring slams a cartridge home. I wouldn't even do it in an emergency situation.
Just get a Glock 23 or 27 (I have both) and get an aftermarket.357 Sig bbl. I got the Lone Wolf 🐺.357Sig bbl for my 23, and it works in BOTH guns. Gives you tremendous flexibility. I also have the 9mm conversion bbl as well.
Sig P229! I also have a Glock 32. Fabulous guns!
Any of the Glock 40 cal pistols easily convert to 357 Sig with a conversion barrel. 357 Sig Ammo fits perfectly into the 40 cal magazines. You can even use a full sized 357 Sig barrel in a subcompact model Glock. Glock is so very interchangable.
The Sig Sauer P239 was made in .357 Sig and it’s a single stack traditional DA/SA gun.
Sig p320 does come in 357 sig in compact and full size. You have to build it on the sig p320 configurator though
I LOVE my Glock 33! You guys might find it crazy, but I believe because the velocity is so insane from 357 Sig, that I don't feel alot of recoil from the G33! I believes it leaves that 3.5 inch barrel so fast that it really helps mitigate recoil compared to the G32. Might just be me though.
S&W M&P Shield 40 with a .357 Sig conversion barrel is probably as close to a factory single stack option...the other M&P 40 models can use .357 Sig conversion barrels as well, so can 40 S&W and 10mm Glocks. All that's needed to convert is the barrel.
Kahr arms would be the closest you could come to what you're asking for, however, they do not make a conversion barrel for said product. This is the same thing I've been asking for years now, but all calibres are dead except the beloved 9mm.
Have a Speingfield XD 357 sig on layaway at pawmshop.Looking forward to testing!🤠🇺🇲
Smith and Wesson produces the M&P Shield in .40 cal. With just a barrel swap ($approx. $125) you have a single stack 357 for carry. I use one myself.
You can still get a Sig P320 caliber conversion in .357 Sig. I just got one.
SIG 239 is a single stack 357 SIG. You can still find them every now and then.
M&P 40s are easily convertible, the magazines are even stamped .40/357. And for a single stack, a .40 cal Shield can be converted. Ammo availability sucks so reloading is pretty much a must. But it uses common 9 mm bullets so the cost is comparable.
Not single stack, but I converted my Browning HiPower 40 to 357 Sig - love it.
While one should still CERTAINLY verify with the manufacturer that any .40 to be converted to .357 Sig with a barrel change is rated to handle the increased pressure (though decreased slide momentum) of .357, essentially no factory-produced .357 Sig ammo produced today (with the obvious exception of Underwood, Doubletap, Buffalo Bore, and any other boutique commercial handloaders) comes close to the SAAMI or CIP max pressure for the cartridge. In fact, little of it even touches the 35,000 psi of standard pressure 9mm.
Moreover, if one wants to experience the true potential of the .357 Sig cartridge, handloading with 800X powder and your choice of regular small pistol (not magnum) primers and brass yields amazing results. Normal on-book loads not even quite to the maximum of 800X as found in various manuals gives me 1,650fps out of a stock Gen 4 Glock 31 with a 125gr bullet (flat point FMJ or Gold Dot) and 1,450fps with a 147gr (also flat point FMJ or Gold Dot).
I actually water down my preferred self-defense and woods defense rounds in .357 (every other handgun caliber for which I handload I try to get as close to the max as possible, as handguns rounds are weak), using a charge of 800X closer to the starting load than the max. This gives me 1,550fps with the 125gr and 1,375fps with the 147gr bullets, produces a mild chamber pressure, quite pleasant recoil (with the 125, not so much the 147s, which feel more like a 10mm), and the best accuracy. Velocity is actually so consistent with these 2 loads that the extreme spread out of 10 rounds of each bullet weight I chronographed was 5fps out of my Glock 31.
My normal EDC is the G33 and it has been excellent for me,along with a 3” ported 327 magnum 👍both are in the same FPE zone 🤠
You should get a conversion for the shield. The PC version is very tolerable.
My Sig .40 has a .357 barrel that is made by Sig to convert and shoot the sig .357 caliber and is a single stack clip.
2 single stacks...Sig Sauer P239...and smith and wesson shield 40 can easily be converted to a single stack 357sig...simply order a 357sig barrel from tr enabling....there ya have it...thank me later..sig sauer P239 ...is SWEET!!!
The sig nightmare fastback, I want to say is still made is a 1911 single stack.
P239 is top heavy with a small grip. Loud gun.
Warning: .357 Sig completely destroyed my P80.
Pins popped out and broke the slide spring retention loop.
🔥 Hot round. Love it.❤️
I didn’t read all the replies, but as far as a single stack factory 357 Sig model goes, look no further than the Sig 239! I have their 239 SAS and it is fantastic! 7 rd of pure power and speed…
Sig does make a single stack 1911 called The nightmare fastback in 357 sig. Not sure if anybody would entertain actually carrying it though.
I have a Sig P239 single stack in .357 Sig, holds 7+1 and i added a one round extension to the mag making it 8+1
My buddy has a SIG p320 in 357sig so much fun to shoot. To bad the the ammo has gotten so expensive
There has never been a 357 Sig single stack made to my knowledge.I carry the 32 Gen 3.Don't have any regrets.
Works great even with Underwood ammo in my FNS -40 FNH pistol, haven't had one hiccup since I upgraded recoil spring.
I remember when only Glock manufactured 10mm pistol, and some limited models.
I carry in Fall and winter Sig P320 Compact in 357 Sig, also carry it when hunting.
Sig P239 single stack 7+1 It’s awesome!!